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A Dad Throws A Playboy Party For His Teenage Daughter Then Gets Arrested; Mom Is Accused Of Pimping Out Her Little Girl For Sex, Advertised Her daughter For $2,000 Services On The Web; Two Young Florida Girls Locked Up, Charged With Murder For Having Killed Their Older Brother
Aired January 07, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a dad throws a Playboy Party for his teenage daughter then gets arrested. Pictures of
half naked girls are all over social media.
Plus, a mom is accused of pimping out her little girl for sex. Police say she advertised her $2,000 services on the web. Let us get
started.
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PINSKY: Good evening. I am here with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. Two young Florida girls locked up, charged with murder for having killed
their older brother. But there is even more to that shocking headline. We are not naming these girls because they have not been charged as adults,
but have a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: When a police detective arrived at this store Monday night, he thought he was investigating two runaways. But
hours later, the girls, sisters, would be charged with premeditated murder. The victim, their 16-year-old brother.
Police say the older sister, who is 15, pulled the trigger while her 11-year-old sister stood by. According to the police report, the older
girl was emotionless and applying makeup at first and claimed their parents had kicked them out.
But then they say she started crying and confessed to the murder. She said her brother had beaten her and locked her in her bedroom. Later,
while he was sleeping, the police say the 11-year-old girl unlocked the door and that is when the 15-year-old found a gun in her parent`s bedroom
and shot her brother.
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MARK HUNTER, COLUMBIA COUNTY SHERIFF: This is the stuff nightmares are made of.
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PINSKY: Joining us Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.com; Kelvin Washington, Radio Talk Show Host and Anneelise Goetz, attorney. Sam, do
you think these women -- these girls will ultimately be charged as adults and what about the parents?
SAMANTHA SCHAHER, HLN CO-HOST: OK. Well, first of all, the D.A. has yet to make that decision, Dr. Drew. As far as these girls, they are being
kept in a juvenile detention center. Two totally different, separate facilities. And, the parents, we have the father, he is 37 years old.
He is a long-distance truck driver. The mother, she is 32 years old, but she is unemployed but she was on the road with her husband. So, they
left the children abandoned, Dr. Drew. And, according to the sheriff, apparently this is not the first time. This is a common practice. In
fact, just this morning, they were charged with child neglect. But get this Dr. Drew, it was not for this case. And, we will get into that in a
moment.
PINSKY: Oh my Gosh. So, problems with the police, problems with family services. The sheriff was vague about this, but he said that, that
one was because of an issue between the older girl and her brother.
Court records show that in 2002, the paternal grandfather unsuccessfully petitioned the court for custody of the children. Now,
consider that the dad was a -- as Sam said a long-distance truck driver and the mother had gone with him. They left the three children and a 3-year-
old child.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: There was a 3-year-old also? Is that right, Sam?
SCHACHER: Yes. A 3-year-old child.
PINSKY: Alone in the care of the older brother. So, there are two little, sort of teenagers and a 3-year-old and then the older brother.
Listen to what the sheriff said about this.
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MARK HUNTER, COLUMBIA COUNTY SHERIFF: This is how they made their living, so that was just part of the way they did. And, left them with a
16-year-old, which is an accepted practice.
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PINSKY: OK. That is what I -- that is the first thing I have a problem with. Forget -- The sheriff, Vanessa, saying this is an accepted
practice for a 16-year-old being left with -- leaving a 3-year-old behind?
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: There is a perfect example of just because it is legal does not mean it right. There is no way a 16-
year-old who is still a child himself should be caring after a 15, an 11 and 3-year-old.
PINSKY: Oh my God.
BARNETT: We do not even want 6-year-olds having 3-year-olds. It is like when kids have kids, we are up in arms about it. And, yet this 16-
year-old is supposed to manage three? Why are they going to school? Are they eating their meals? Are they going to bed on time like what is
happening? -- PINSKY: I know, Vanessa. Vanessa --
BARNETT: And, these parents do not care.
PINSKY: I know, Vanessa, that your handle on Instagram is the modern Martha Stewart, but even the modern Martha Stewart, it is not easy handling
-- an adult modern Martha Stewart not easy handling a 3-year-old.
BARNETT: Right. Not at all. It takes an adult to raise kids. And these parents -- That mother, I am especially upset with that mother
because she did not have to be on the road. That father, that is how he provides for that family then that is his career and he has to be out.
Then that mother should be at home. She did not have a job. She did not need to be on the road with him. They were not interested in raising
children.
PINSKY: Kelvin, you seem to be bursting out of that yellow shirt of yours. One of the conveniences about you wearing a bright shirt, I catch
you in the corner of my eye, and I see you there. Go, what is up?
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KELVIN WASHINGTON, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Happy new year to you, all.
PINSKY: Happy New Year, sir.
WASHINGTON: You know what? Vanessa, brings up a great point, though. I kept thinking to myself, because anyone who has grown up in a
single parent home understands that sometimes a parent has to go to work, sometimes the parent has to do something and children have to be left at
home for a moment.
However, to Vanessa`s point, why is mom on the road with dad when she is unemployed? Why is not she looking for a job? Why is not she taking
care of the children? What does she need to go on a long road trip with him for when there is a 3-year-old at him? And, I just kept wanting to
find some type of empathy for the parents.
But, then I thought about it, I said, "What is going on that she feels comfortable leaving her children there with a 16-year-old when
clearly there have been three other times the police were called for the family. Something is going on in that household.
PINSKY: Right. That is right.
WASHINGTON: You just said that the grandfather wanted to take the children away. Something is real fishy about this household.
PINSKY: Yes. And, Anneelise, to me it seems like a legal meltdown for me on top of just emotional meltdown. I mean there is violence in the
home, violence to the point, where you know one kid is beating up another and then turns to hand guns and there is a 3-year-old left behind and a
mother taking off with a truck-driving dad with seemingly no understanding of what they left behind?
ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: I mean, obviously, yes, we can dove in the legal issues. But talking the other points here, I do not think -- you
know, I grew up in the Midwest. I do not think it is that crazy to leave a 16-year-old and have to babysit --
PINSKY: May I introduce you -- may I interrupt you for just a second --
GOETZ: Yes.
PINSKY: And, just say, I am shocked at you guys. I am shocked at the sheriff. I am shocked at Anneelise. Were you left home as a 3-year-
old, Anneelise, ever? Ever? Ever? Were you left home with a 12-year-old? Were you left home with a 14-year-old? I doubt it.
GOETZ: I was left home with a 14, 15-year-old, and more importantly we had, as a 16-year-old, we were babysitting 3-year-olds. So, I mean I do
not think that it is that crazy to have a 16-year-old babysit a 3-year-old.
BARNETT: No.
WASHINGTON: It is not.
BARNETT: That is not babysitting.
GOETZ: It is not. That is common play, if it is.
BARNETT: That was abandonment.
GOETZ: No.
BARNETT: She did not leave to have dinner with her husband. A road trip -- A truck driver`s road trip could last up to weeks like she was gone
and did not have to be. There is the bigger issue. She did not have to be gone.
She did not have a job. She was not getting a check and she has a 3- year-old child at home and teenagers in the house? You should want to be around these kids to make sure they are raised correctly.
GOETZ: I am not giving some adult diaper for parenting, but I mean, they are horrible parents, obviously they are bad parents, because they are
having neglect charges for other issues. There is, you know, there is a whole hose for legal issues --
PINSKY: For other issues, so there was other neglect charges.
GOETZ: Yes, there are other issues.
PINSKY: And, that is not related to the murder case, right? Now, the sheriff explained what those were. Have a listen here.
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HUNTER: The defendant, oldest defendant, had been locked in her room on different occasions, and basically in the room all there was, was a
blanket and a bucket to urinate in. The parents had removed her from school.
They were having issues with the daughter acting out at the house. This was kind of their way of dealing with the child. You know, everybody
has different ways of dealing with their children, and the way they bring them up.
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PINSKY: So, Anneelise there is a lot of sort of code there. They were abusive to this girl and then they were also abandoning, right?
GOETZ: Right. I question the abandonment, but they definitely were abusive. You cannot lock a child in a bedroom with a blanket and a bucket
and just hope for the best. That is not how we are going to discipline children in this country.
And, so, they are going to be charged for child neglect and abuse in that case and they should be. And, I think that is an important piece of
when we are looking at the actual actions of this 15-year-old. Was she being abused on a regular basis and could that maybe created defense for
what happened with her brother?
PINSKY: And, I will tell you what. Kelvin, I will get to you in a second, but I cannot tell you how often I have dealt with patients, drug
addicts, who described to me the experience of abandonment by their parents in their mid teens and that the longing and the pain and sometimes they
were left with younger children.
I have these horrible images of my parents just standing at the window in a motel waiting for their parent to come home. It is awful for
that age group. They are overwhelmed. They are shattered by this often times. Not necessarily. I am just saying at least sometimes do some
babysitting, but when they feel the parents have left them, the abandonment feelings can be shattering. Kelvin.
WASHINGTON: Well, I think there is an elephant in the room too. And, that is the fact that they had a gun in the home, right?
BARNETT: Right.
PINSKY: Yes.
WASHINGTON: You are leaving children, a 3-year-old and all these other children with a gun in the home. Now, they did, for all the gun
totters, for the people who are anti-gun, this will be a case for them. They did have a gun --
PINBSKY: Well, listen -- listen, Kelvin, I have got some tape on how they got the hands on the gun and they have not think it through pretty
good. Take a listen.
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HUNTER: Was the gun secured in the home? Yes, it was. It was in a locked bedroom. The two individuals actually, while the victim was asleep,
went out of the residence and broke in through an exterior window, retrieved the weapon, actually loaded the weapon. It was unloaded.
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PINSKY: So, Kelvin, there you go. I mean talk about premeditation. There was a number of steps they had to go through to go collect that gun,
get it loaded and do what they wanted to do.
WASHINGTON: Yes. You know what? It shows that for people who are anti-guns, this will be their case point right there, because they had it
unloaded, they had it hidden, it was tucked away, yet the kids still got to it and a tragedy still occurred.
PINSKY: All right, panel. Next up, did the possible abuse in the home we have been hearing about have a substantial effect on what happened
in that home? The behavior bureau is here to talk about that.
And, later, a father hosts something that is called sort of a "Playboy Lingerie Party" for his teen daughter. There are some pictures. Did he do
something wrong here? Things did not turn out good. We will get into it after this.
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HUNTER: Did the girls admit to the crime? Yes, during the process they did. There is going to be 100,000 whys. And, we may not ever know
exactly why that this child acted out like this. Why the child acted out, you know, I cannot say. I cannot say. There are some factors there that
probably could have led up to that, but you know, I am no doctor or psychologist or anything like that.
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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. We are discussing the two young girls charged with having murdered their older brother. We will bring in the
behavior bureau. Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, Professor at Pepperdine University; Erica America Psychotherapist and Leeaane Tweeden host of the
Tomboy`s Podcast on Blog Talk Radio.
Judy, I was watching some Twitter action during the commercial break. And, it was interesting to me, Kelvin made the point about the anti-gun
feeling this story. And, some people who took issue with him said, "You know, these girls were very motivated to kill their brother."
They would have used something, not necessarily a gun, that it was. They broke into a room. They loaded the gun. They found it. They could
have lit that house on fire and killed the little kid, too.
JUDY HO, Ph.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That is right. So, gun or not, these girls were determined to kill the brother.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: There is obviously a lot of back story here. How much abuse was going on from the brother to the older sister. You know, all of that, but
here it is. This is not a crime of passion. This is something that these girls have thought out.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: And, they were determined to carry it through, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Now, Judy, when I met with kids that do this, in my experience, like they want to kill a parent or sibling, the amount of
physical abuse is usually over the top. That has been my experience. But -- well, I will ask that as a follow-up question. Go, you answer that
first.
HO: That is right. What we know about these types of stories is that the physical abuse is often so grotesque. It has been going on for years.
And, here is my suspicion about the parents. Because they seem like they are working a lot when they are out of town, who knows what is going on and
how much supervision that is happening in this family.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: So, there is possible that the parents did not even know the extent of the abuse that was going on between their children.
PINSKY: Yes. And, of course, we do not know. We cannot confirm or repute what went on in that home. But Leeann, it does beg the issue. So,
Judy and I say it has been our experience. We see this over the top violence. But, the other possibility is that this kid had something more
evil going on, we call psycopathy.
LEEANN TWEEDEN, BLOG TALK RADIO HOST: Well, I think, Dr. Drew -- I mean to me, it is very sad that this 15-year-old dragged her 11-year-old
sister in with her, because I do not think an 11-year-old is going to go through that all in her own mind.
PINSKY: That is a good point. I agree.
TWEEDEN: I still do not think they are mature enough to do that.
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: But, you know, when you are 15, I knew what I was doing at 15, Dr. Drew.
SCHACHER: Yes.
TWEEDEN: So, it makes me wonder, she made a comment, she tried to act cool and be putting on makeup when the cops first talked to her. But
then she broke down and said, "Well, my brother beat me and he did other things to me. And, my parents locked me in a room with just a bucket and a
mattress."
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: But, you know was her brother sexually assaulting her? Was he physically abusing her all the time and her little sister?
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: I mean we do not know. But, at 15, you know what you are doing and she did it on purpose. She broke into that room, in to the
house. Put -- you know, loaded the gun by herself and committed murder.
PINSKY: And, if you have been disciplined by being stuck in a room with a bucket, I mean that is not discipline, that is just overt abuse.
SCHACHER: Awful.
PINSKY: Now, Erica, a classmate of the older teen said she -- whoever this classmate was had difficulty believing there were problems at
home because the girls were so quiet and they seemed so nice. But, Erica quiet does not mean healthy.
ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERPIST: Right, of course. So many times we hear this about people who go and do the school killings that they were
just quiet, and "Oh, I could not believe it was them." But really what we have to look at is, are they connected? Do they have a social support
system?
Just last night, we spoke about the man who killed his own father and the girlfriend said not one person called him for three months that they
knew each other. So, if someone is not really kind of connected and does not have a support system, that really is a huge red flag. Definitely.
PINSKY: And, we had a tweet out that a 16-year-old to babysit for days or weeks. That is right.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: That is what is weird about this. But, Leeann, somebody else have tweeted whether it will be awful the idea that the parents may
have left that gun for protection and we are going to put it up there. But, I mean this is just -- listen -- OK, the fact that the parents left
this kid alone in a room with a bucket --
TWEEDEN: That is just crazy, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: That tells you kind of all you need to know about what was going on in this house.
TWEEDEN: I mean it is not like these parents were going out to dinner and living the kids in the house and they were coming back from dinner.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Right.
TWEEDEN: It seems like they were out in a trucking trip trying to make money or doing whatever they were doing. And, I am sorry, a 16-year-
old boy, we talked about this on the show --
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: Boys are not as developmentally as girls. Taking care of three --
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: 15-year-old and a 3-year-old child?
PINSKY: And, Erica, they bring up the developmental issue. We do not know anything about these parents, but I wonder if there was some
cognitive problems there, too. But, go ahead, Erica. You have your thoughts.
AMERICA: No, absolutely -- I mean, yes, the first thing is this is just a completely dysfunctional family. I mean the fact that the woman is
making the choice to go with the man makes me feel like it is a co- dependent type of relationship.
She wants his approval. She wants to be by his side. When the four children, they need their mother more than the husband needs, you know, the
wife by his side, especially that there is a 3-year-old. I mean that is just outrageous. And, the fact that there is an unattended gun.
SCHACHER: Right.
AMERICA: I mean this is ridiculous. They are living an unattended gun with a 3-year-old kid.
PINSKY: But, it was hidden. The gun was in a locked room, in a closet. She had to break a window to get in. She had to find the
ammunition.
AMERICA: But she still did it.
PINSKY: I understand. That is what so heinous about this. But, Sam, go ahead.
SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, can you look at -- can we put up the two mug shot photos again?
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: Because I want you to look at them. Do they look like that they are drug addicted? I know that it is more common for truck
drivers to --
PINSKY: You know what? --
SCHACHER: Can you tell --
PINSKY: No, I cannot. But, I think it is -- I do see something in the woman particularly, and it is unfair of me, because that may just be a
characteristic of her family or something.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: But Judy, do you see what I am seeing there that makes me a little concerned?
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: And, I do not want to cast -- I do not know anything.
SCHACHER: They do not look healthy to me -- his eyes either.
PINSKY: You know, as much as we like to get our head around to understand these things, speculate about them, I think we are going too far
to sort of draw any conclusions just from these pictures.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: I think that is unfair.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: Judy, do you agree?
HO: I do agree. I think at the very minimum though, we can say that these parents are probably not properly educated on what it really takes to
raise a family.
PINSKY: Yes. Listen --
TWEEDEN: And, she has four of them, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: I have one 16-month-old and I feel bad for leaving him with a babysitter for a few hours a day.
PINSKY: Yes. That is right.
TWEEDEN: I mean, honestly, I cannot even think of leaving a child, let alone thee underage children and think a boy, who is the oldest one,
16, who cannot even probably take care of himself, really to leave him alone with children.
PINSKY: And, how many times we have to ask the question, who failed this family?
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: These people were in trouble. They needed help. Social -- Child Protection Services had been out there. Child welfare had been out
there, how could they have let it go this far? This is a meltdown. It is a tragedy.
And, I actually feel sad for everybody here, because as Judy said, they were not educated. They did not understand. They were disciplining
by horribly abusing this child.
And, guess what? If that had been a dog, would people be surprised if that dog bit somebody, for God sakes? I mean humans are not different.
They are an animal and if you abuse, they strike out. That is the way it goes.
Next up, a father is arrested after a lingerie party thrown by his teen daughter. We got an eye witness account from the party, a guest.
And, later, a mother is charged for having sold her own underage daughter as a process duet. I got some thoughts about that. We will get
into it after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A Playboy Party could land a California dad in jail.
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STEVE VAUS, MAYOR OF POWAY, CALIFORNIA: It is as though you are handing out hand grenades as party favors.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: His daughter`s 18th Birthday Party had a Playboy mansion complete with teenagers wearing smoking jackets, lingerie
and bunny ears. But, sheriff deputies say, "What got him in trouble was the teenagers past out drunk inside his home."
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CAPTAIN JEFF MAXIN, SAN DIEGO COUNTY SHERRIF`S DEPARTMENT: They determined that there was a sizable amount of underage drinking going on
inside the house and that he was allowing it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Dad says, uninvited troublemakers ruined his plan to provide a safe place to party.
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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Vanessa, Kelvin and Anneelise. Tonight, we want to know, would you let your teenager go to a -- what has been
called a Playboy themed party where they wear lingerie. Sam, tell us about the dress code at this 18th year old birthday party.
SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh, Dr. Drew. OK. So, bear with me. This is the invitation that was written by the daughter by the way. It says, quote,
"Guys - robes, Chip n` dales dancers, Hugh Hefner styled clothing, whatever you are comfortable with. Ladies, playboy bunny costumes, bunny tails and
cars, tutus, leotards, anything that is in your comfort zone."
PINSKY: And, it is an 18-year-old`s birthday, but that does not mean everybody --
SCHACHER: But, they are in high school, though, Dr. Drew. They are juniors.
PINSKY: Not only that. It does not mean everyone is going to be 18 who goes to the party.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: It is an 18-year-old birthday party, and they are not 21. But Kelvin, these are the coolest parents ever, right?
WASHINGTON: No! They are not the coolest parents. I mean they are the coolest parents if they are not your parents, yes. That is true.
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PINSKY: That is really funny.
WASHINGTON: What did dad expect that is going to happen? Well, we had these unexpected partygoers ruin it. Naked girls, booze, sign me up.
Do you know how many kids were saying this is going to be the most epic party ever of 2014 or 2015. I do not know exactly the day. So, I mean
come on. What did he expect?
He knew what was going to happen, and we are telling young men to be respectable. Respect women, do not objectify them and then they are coming
to a Playboy party at 16? Come on. We are setting the future up for all bad things here.
PINSKY: Here is a tweet. It is gone now. I beg your pardon, Vanessa, any response for what Kelvin was saying?
BARNETT: I initially thought, "Hey, these parents are trying to be cool." They are trying to, you know, "Hey, come on, daughter. You can do
it here. Here is a safe place." And, then I started thinking --
PINSKY: Safe place? What does that mean?
BARNETT: I do not know any man that would be comfortable or would be OK with his daughter being half naked and then it would be weird that he
wanted all her friends to come half naked, too.
PINSKY: But is it a safe place?
BARNETT: Like it is in a whole different place.
PINSKY: How is that safe?
SCHACHER: Exactly.
BARNETT: Well, I have heard parents say before --
SCHACHER: Right.
BARNETT: I do not want my kid to drink, but if they are going to do it, do it in front of me, so I know you are OK.
SCHACHER: Hold on.
PINSKY: All right. Listen SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, you know where this argument is null and
void? Because I think he did mention that or some of his supporters did?
PINSKY: The father.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: I have got to read his statement --
SCHACHER: But 200 --
PINSKY: Sam, I got to read the statement, right now. Stop.
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: Everybody stop.
SCHACHER: Oh my God.
PINSKY: I have to read the statement. OK. Sheriff deputy say they found two intoxicated teenage boys passed out in the home. But, the father
says he did everything he could to keep the party safe.
He tells us, quote, "I took all reasonable steps to prevent the consumption of alcoholic beverages by any minor at the gathering. I did
not allow the consumption of alcohol by minors at the gathering. Access to alcoholic beverages at the gathering was controlled, I do not know what
that means, and the activities of minors at the gathering were supervised. Furthermore, the sheriff`s department has yet to provide me with any
evidence that any minors consumed any alcohol at the gathering. "
The dad is accused of violating what is accused the social host ordinance, which makes it illegal to host a party where there is knowledge
of underage folks consuming alcohol. Anneelise, explain that to us.
GOETZ: Here is the shocker, first of all. That guy, the father is an attorney. I mean that statement was not written like a regular person
would never speak.
PINSKY: No. Right. Right.
GOETZ: He is writing that because he is going to be giving it into evidence in a court of law. So, no, you cannot have a party and serve
alcohol to minors. And, if you do, there is up to six months in jail for a penalty. That being said, I am sure he is an attorney, he is going to do
everything he can to establish the fact --
PINSKY: But, Anneelise --
GOETZ: -- the fact that he did not realized that they were minor.
PINSKY: Right. And, it may be true by the way. That may be in factually true. The kids are hard to control. That is a fact. But, what
if there had been a sexually transmitted disease, an unwanted sexual contact, a fight, an accident?
BARNETT: That is on him.
PINSKY: All that is on him, Vanessa.
GOETZ: All of that lies is on him.
BARNETT: It should be illegal for a grown age man to invite several young girls and ask them to be half naked when they show up. This is
ridiculous. This is an adult man.
GOETZ: It is not also an adult man.
BARNETT: I mean that is not an adult man thing, "Hey, teenagers, come over in your skimpy lingerie. Let us have some fun."
PINSKY: Now, Sam --
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Sam, now, you can say what you wanted to say.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: Finally. Geez.
PINSKY: I am so sorry.
SCHACHER: God!
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Go ahead.
SCHACHER: Oh my God! I am like itching over here. OK. My point earlier was the fact that just to kind of like denounce what he said,
because he invited or his daughter rather, which he endorsed, 200 students.
So, even if you are going to try to keep an eye on these students to make sure that they are drinking under your roof, you cannot keep an eye on
200 students. Are you kidding me? Is he high. Maybe he is high. And, also not only is he an attorney, but the mother, she is a former PTA
president. It is the irony here.
PINSKY: But, listen you, guys. Now, I am going to defend the dad for just a second.
SCHACHER: What?
PINSKY: Believe it or not, I am; because I have talked to many well- meaning dads like him that really do not understand what they are getting into when they are dealing with a 17 and 18-year-olds in parties.
And, it gets out of hand very quickly, very fast, and very problematically. I always told my kids if they went to a party where
someone knowingly gave them alcohol, I would show up with the sheriffs. I will be there. Vanessa.
BARNETT: But, I bet you do not know any fathers who do not know what Playboy is. The title of the party was "Playboy-themed Mansion Party."
Forget the alcohol. Forget the passed out boys. It is a Playboy-theme Party. And, I am sure any well-meaning father that you know would have
shut it down there.
PINSKY: Well, not only that what are we doing for our young women in terms of helping them get a sense of self-esteem and the awareness of who
they are with these young men and what they are worth. I know my daughter would go insane with the idea of a parent endorsing a party like this.
But, let me just give you an eyewitness account. We have an account from a young man, who attended the party. He says that the party was
advertised as quote, "Clean." He says, this eyewitness says, he did not see any minors consuming alcohol in the house.
And, he says the parents were there all night and carefully monitored the situation to make sure it was safe. And, he, a young kid, an
adolescent does not think any of the Playboy costumes were inappropriate, Vanessa.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: Of course he does not.
PINSKY: Yet they were blurred out. And, Kelvin, if you were 17, you would not have thought so either. I know that.
WASHINGTON: This is so crazy, because -- And by the way, I think that kid who said that, he was paid off. They gave him an XBox or something and
said shut up.
PINSKY: But, we all know that he may have been paid up by just going to the party.
KELVIN: But what about the mom calling her daughter -- she first said we are going to throw my daughter this huge Playboy party. And, she
is calling her, "Here you are for the baddest B I know." Like where are we when mothers are calling her daughter the baddest B? Like this -- we have
gone too far. They are setting their daughter for tabloid lifestyle.
PINSKY: Now, Anneelise, I want to ask you this. The dad is running for office as a judge in Nevada County, California. It is called Nevada
County but in California. Do you think somebody could have been out for him, gutting for him, setting him up for this?
GOETZ: I mean it does not matter if someone is out for him or not, what matters is that he broke the law. So, what he got caught doing it.
That is essentially we are saying.
It may be his opponent set the whole -- set it up so that the police would come, but he is the one that sent the invitations. He is the one
that said, "Hey, daughter, I got a great idea. Let us have a Playboy party." And, if you have all of these kids there and they are 18, of
course, there is going to be alcohol.
PINSKY: Yes.
GOETZ: I do not feel bad for this guy.
PINSKY: Yes.
GOETZ: He got caught. He might have been set up, but he got caught breaking the law.
PINSKY: But, Anneelise you make a great point, which is that if there is going to be a count of adolescents, there is going to be substances.
SCHACHER: You feel bad for him. Why?
PINSKY: I just taken a position where I want -- because it seems to me that other parents can really learn something from this. Because they
often go in well intentioned but they really do not understand what they are doing here.
Hey, parents, if you have any sort of party where there is more than a gathering of 17 or 18-year-olds that you cannot see at all times, there
will be substances. There will be. I guaranty it. And, your job is to attend to that and deal with that fact, whether it is taking -- whatever it
is, and do not allow it in the home.
If you have knowledge that it is happening, anything that happens to those kids that night, it is on you. You have got to know that going in.
It is going to happen and it is going to be on you. So, act accordingly. That is the way it is goes. So, there it is.
Next up, results of our poll, would you let your 18-year-old attend a lingerie themed party? And, later, police say a mother advertised her
daughter is sex services online. The girl, 15 years of age. We are back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMAL REPORTER: An 18-year-old girl wanted her birthday party to look like a night at the Playboy mansion. With all her friends
dressed in smoking jackets and lingerie. But now her dad could be locked up for what allegedly went down inside the home.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MAYOR VAUS: It is a disaster waiting to happen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Sheriff Deputy say teens were drinking alcohol and some even passed out. But, dad says he provided a safe place
to party, and some uninvited troublemakers ruined the night.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau, Judy, Erica, and Leeann. A Playboy so-called party for an 18-year-old girl could send the
dad to jail. About 200 teenagers are dressed up in lingerie and bunny tail.
Sheriff Deputy say the real problem was two teenagers they found inside were wasted. They are completely out of it. Dad says he had
provided a safe place to party. That little concept bothers me. And, it was the uninvited troublemakers who are drinking outside his property.
Sam, I heard you grunt at that, because --
SCHACER: Well, it is B.S., Dr. Drew and you are being too fair on this parent. You said --
PINSKY: No, no, no, no.
SCHACHER: Well, hold on. You said maybe it got on hand. I threw a party once in high school, but it got way out of hand. The whole high
school showed up; but guess what? I called the cops on myself. He could have called the cops on himself too. So stop being so fair to him.
PINSKY: I am saying -- No, no, no. I was saying, Judy --
SCHACHER: Probably eye candy for him. It is disgusting.
PINSKY: We are going pretty far with this. But listen, a couple of comments. First of all, Judy loved the idea that you called the cops on
yourself.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: It totally cranked her up.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: So, thank you for doing that, amusing Judy tonight. And, secondly, the idea of it being -- what was the language in that, a
controlled place to party, or something?
HO: Safe place.
PINSKY: No, that is not -- that is language that an adolescent cannot understand, Judy.
HO: Absolutely not. And, you know, I just want to go back to Sam, I love the fact that you called the police on yourself, that is why I love
you so much. You are amazing.
(LAUGHING)
TWEEDEN: Were your parents home Sam?
SCHACHER: No. God! No. My parents would never have allowed me to throw a party like that. Period.
(LAUGHING)
HO: She is a product of good parenting, everyone. But, you know, with this particular family, I have to wonder, Dr. Drew, how much was this
party for their daughter and how much was the party an excuse for the parents to revisit their childhood? Maybe a childhood they never had.
And, it is really irresponsible. I absolutely believe that there is no such thing as a safe place to party with a bunch of teenagers who are
dressed up like Playboy bunnies.
PINSKY: Erica, same question. Safe place to party?
AMERICA: Yes -- No. I completely agree with Judy. I mean this is totally irresponsible. And if nobody setting him up, he is like completely
set himself up for this. To say it is a safe place to party and have 150 to 200 kids, you are setting yourself up for the fact that there is going
to be --
PINSKY: But, Erica --
AMERICA: -- the opportunity for people to drink and potentially have acts of sexual assaults.
PINSKY: That is right.
AMERICA: That is the scary part.
PINSKY: And, just, Erica -- just the idea, the notion of a concept of a safe place to party is flawed. Just even those words are flawed for
adolescents. Leeann, do you agree?
AMERICA: And having a lingerie party for 18 year olds. \
TWEEDEN: I do not.
AMERICA: It is just -- it is not right.
TWEEDEN: I do not agree, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: All right.
TWEEDEN: I mean to an extent I do, but look, growing up in high school, there were parties like at Samantha`s house where a kid`s parents
were gone and we all went to their house and -- I never drink but all of my friends did, right? Everybody drank. But, then they were the parents that
said you could come --
PINSKY: Well, hold on a second. Leeann -- Leeann.
TWEEDEN: -- and be in the basement and have a safe place to party --
PINSKY: You are funny. You are funny. You never drank. I am sure. You are perfect.
TWEEDEN: Honest to God. Put my hands on the bible, Drew.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Sam called the cops on herself, you never drink. OK. I got it.
TWEEDEN: Honest to God, Drew. Everybody who know me, I am not a drinker.
PINSKY: But, here is the deal. You are missing my point, which is that you described what adolescents do. They do that. That is what they
do. But for parents to then accept that and the sort of endorse it by saying, "Well, we are going to create a safe place for them to go on."
TWEEDEN: Right.
PINSKY: The adolescent cannot deal with that.
TWEEDEN: But, Dr. Drew, I am saying I understand where their dad is coming from.
PINSKY: Oh, sure.
TWEEDEN: Just because your 18-year-old kids are going to be doing that regardless.
PINSKY: Yes, and that is the point.
TWEEDEN: So, he felt that if there was --
PINSKY: Oh Gosh!
TWEEDEN: -- would you rather them do it in Sam`s house when the parents are not there? I am just saying. I am just saying.
PINSKY: Leeann, when your child is a teenager, you got to come talk to me.
TWEEDEN: No. It is already killing me, Dr. Drew. I am thinking about my kid driving and that is 14-1/2 years away.
PINSKY: Judy, Erica, I am going to pull you guys before I hear your reactions. So, Judy, Erica, do you understand what I am talking about?
The parents seem give very clear boundaries, even though they understand that shenanigans are going to go on.
HO: That is right and I doubt that they had a sit-down talk about the boundaries of this party, what is acceptable and what is not. I am pretty
sure the dad did provide all kinds of different types of social lubricants at this party.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: We do not know. We do not know that. Erica, what do you say?
AMERICA: No. There is omething creepy about it. And, I think even though he is a cool lawyer or whatever he thinks he is, he still needs to
be like "You are 18, you still cannot drink yet. So, let us have a different kind of party.
SCHACHER: Yes.
AMERICA: Let us hope for the Disney World --
PINSKY: That is right. Not a safe place. Not a safe place. It is not safe for 18-year-olds to drink. Not safe for her to do anything with
that. What was that last tweet you, guys, had up? It caught up my eyes. It looked pretty good. Oh, it is gone. All right, let me read the poll
results, which you can go to hlntv.com/drdrew right now to participate. We are asking you would you let your 18-year-old attend a lingerie themed
party. Let us see, we got 79 -- No, 29 percent, yes.
TWEEDEN: That is a high percentage.
SCHACHER: Wow.
PINSKY: Sam, is there anything on social media supporting it?
SCHACHER: Oh Gosh, Dr. Drew. OK. I have a couple comments. Lindsey, "Would I let my 18-year-old adult daughter attend a lingerie
party? What I would allow is irrelevant at 18." OK. Vickie, "I do not see anything wrong with a lingerie themed party. The issue is his choice
of refreshments." Or as Judy put it, what you say?
HO: Social lubricants.
SCHACHER: Social lubricants. I never heard of it.
(CROSSTALKS)
PINSKY: He is very clear, he did not serve alcohol. He is very clear that.
TWEEDEN: Even Sam said, when you throw a party and everybody hears that it is a Playboy themed party, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: -- you know everyone is coming, whether they were invited or not.
SCHACHER: Right. Right.
TWEEDEN: So, it can easily get out of hand.
PINSKY: But, Leeann, what adolescents do is that they hear safe place to party, "Oh, good! The safe place for me to be drunk. So, I will
show off drunk." I know that dad is going to be on me, so I will just show up drunk."
TWEEDEN: Right. That is not his fault, either.
SCHACHER: I do not know.
PINSKY: But, he got it in a safe place --
TWEEDEN: And, she is 18. Is not she an adult? I am not thinking about their drinking part. I am just saying about the responsibility of
the parent.
SCHACHER: But they are in high school, they are not in college.
HO: Yes.
SCHACHER: That is a big difference.
TWEEDEN: She is in 18. She is considered as an adult. You can go die for your country at 18. I mean she cannot have a party at her house.
I am not talking about the alcohol, but just she cannot have an adult themed party? I am not the morality police, but I am just saying.
PINSKY: Leeann, not the morality police?
HO: But, Leeann, why is he the social facilitator of this. If she wants to go party somewhere else, maybe that is another item of discussion.
But, he is hosting it for her and all of her 200 friends?
PINSKY: Right.
SCHACHER: Right.
HO: I mean there is a difference there.
PINSKY: All right. We have another crazy story coming up. A mother in trouble tonight. Police say she taught her daughter how to have sex and
then sold the daughter as a prostitute. They are claiming this. I am not so sure. We will get into that after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A mother is accused of pimping out her own underage daughter. Detectives red flagged an ad they found on
backpage.com for an 18-year-old escort. They traced the photo back to the Facebook page of a 15-year-old girl. And, the detectives say the girl`s
mother gave her text message instructions on how to be a prostitute.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SHARI IRETON, SHERIFF`S SPOKESWOMAN: This woman was complicit in the rape of a child for money several times.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Leeann, Anneelise and Vanessa. And, this is the story you are tweeting about most tonight. A mother accused of
pimping out her own daughter. I have seen that happened before.
Detectives saw a suspicious ad for an escort on something called backpage.com. They tracked to a 15-year-old girl`s Facebook page and then
they checked the young girl`s cell phone. Sam, what did they find there?
SCHACHER: Detectives found quite a bit, Dr. Drew. So, they found 400 messages from potential clients. Lots of messages discussing drugs and
dozens of texts from someone detectives believe is the girl`s mother. And, take a look at this graphic -- a message that she received rather. Never
give people anything without paying up front. Next time get paid up front.
TWEEDEN: Wow.
PINSKY: And, mom is charged with commercial sexual abuse of a minor. Apparently, the girl`s grandfather -- now, this is an interesting wrinkle
on this. The grandfather believes -- he goes on the record saying he believes this young girl has been working as a prostitute since she was 11.
But, Leeann he believes that, because her mother put her on birth control when she was 11.
SCHACHER: Oh my God.
TWEEDEN: I mean why did not the grandfather try to do anything more about that? 11 years old, I cannot even imagine, Dr. Drew. You know I
want to punch this woman in the face.
But, we talked about along the show before how sometimes women, for whatever reason, A. First of all, she should not even be a parent. She is
not a parent. She is a woman who gave birth to a child. OK? She is not a parent. She is not a mother. She is none of the above. But it makes me
angry that she puts her child in a position to be sexually abused for her own -- well, what?
PINSKY: All right. OK. For money.
TWEEDEN: -- to make money. But, for whatever reason. If she is angry at the girl for being cuter than she is or if she is angry that she
is cannot go out there ad make the money that her daughter is, but it is sick. And, this woman should have her child taken away.
It should not have happened a long time ago when the grandfather even suspected slightly. It took a cop, you know, patrolling a website to
happen to find this girl? What if he never found her?
PINSKY: All right. Vanessa, do you agree?
BARNETT: I mean I am disturbed on so many levels.
PINSKY: You look confused. You look a little confused.
BARNETT: I want to beg you to tell me that this is some bizarre mental health issue, because I cannot fathom a mother throwing her daughter
to the wolves, to these men, to this environment. It just battles my mind. I cannot wrap myself around it. I do not understand it.
PINSKY: All right. OK. All right. Anneelise, what do you say?
GOETZ: I mean here is the thing, as sad as it is, the majority of victims of sex -- I am sorry, the majority of victims in this country of
sex trafficking, their perpetrator, their pimp, if you will, is someone they know and have a close relationship with.
It is a family member. It is a relative. It is a neighbor. And, so -- Although it makes it all the more horrifying that this was her mother,
the problem is, this is actually pretty typical of what we see with sex trafficking.
PINSKY: I have seen this with adults. I have never seen it with young adolescents with the mom doing this. I have seen mothers with adult
women doing this. And, I am going to defend this mom.
SCHACHER: Excuse me?
PINSKY: Ready for that? Yes. I am going to defend her. In fact I am going to defend her so strongly, I want to take commercial break. And
then I when we come back, and I am going to tell you why I think I can defend this mom. It sounds bizarre --
SCHACHER: Are you an attorney now?
PINSKY: It sounds bizarre. Well, maybe --
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: I do not want that case.
PINSKY: All right. Back after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Prosecutors say a mother made thousands of dollars working her own daughter as a prostitute. Detectives
red flagged an ad they found on Backpage.com and traced it back to a 15- year-old girl.
On her cell phone, they found 400 messages from male clients. And, text messages from a woman they believe to be her mother, instructing her
on which hotels to use and how to get paid.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
IRETON: It appeared that there was a relative in this case to the victim, who was actually setting up some of the transactions that were
taking place.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: I am back with my Sam, Leeann, Anneelise and Vanessa. And, we are talking about a mother, so-called, accused of having pimped her own
daughter out. Detectives traced suspicious classified ad back to the 15- year-old girl.
Text messages as you just heard between that girl and apparently the mother led detectives to believe the mom was selling her daughter as a
prostitute. Now, all of you had time to sharpen your claws, right?
SCHACHER: I am ready.
PINSKY: I said I was going to defend this mother. Are you ready for me? Everybody? Everybody good? Maybe Anneelise could back me up on this
a little bit. I just see drug addiction all over this story. I think people -- I think this girl was trafficking drugs, for sure.
And, then mom may have been duplicitous in that. The girl had a substance abuse counselor who said, quote, "Her mother would drive her
places to meet some of her male customers." But it is possible -- listen I just see drug addiction.
We know she had a substance abuse counselor, so we know the 15-year- old had a drug problem. We know that a lot of these texts are about drugs and drug purchases. The daughter may have been pimping herself out to buy
drugs.
TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew, at 11? Tell me that.
PINSKY: 15.
TWEEDEN: Tell me how that happens.
PINSKY: at 11 --
TWEEDEN: She was addicted to drugs at 11 and then decided to be a pimp, or decided to be a prostitute?
PINSKY: Leeann. Leeann, we have got a grandfather who is the father of this woman, you are calling the mom, who is being so bizarrely sexist
saying that, "Hey, honey, if you put your 11-year-old on birth control, she is a prostitute."
Do you understand what he is doing? He is saying because you put a girl on birth control, she is necessarily a prostitute. That is insane.
Anneelise, do you get what I am saying here? I mean there is so much circumstantial stuff in this case.
GOETZ: There is so much circumstantial stuff, but Dr. Drew, when you look at how the police and law enforcement have built this case. They have
spent months with search warrants going through all those text messages, all the communications.
I think this thing is an open and close case. I do not think we are going to see drug trafficking, because they have already gone in. They
have analyzed all the text messages. If these people -- if she is dumb enough to be texting about, you know having these different Johns --
PINSKY: She is 15. She is 15.
GOETZ: She is talking -- but her mom is not and her mom is doing text messages back and forth of her.
TYWEEDEN: And, Dr. Drew, she even said that there was one text where the girl wanted to come home for the night and the mom said no, stay in
that hotel room because there is potential to make money there instead of you coming home.
PINSKY: If that is the mom. Now, Sam --
TWEEDEN: Well, I think the cops are probably the good to call.
PINSKY: Well, I do not know.
SCHACHER: Come on. Dr. Drew, you are defending things in a thin air. Do you have Anahita in your ear? I mean what is going right now?
PINSKY: But, Sam, what I want to ask you. You said in the beginning there was lots of texts about drugs and drug trafficking, is that not true?
SCHACHER: Yes. There are a number of them, 300 of them, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: About drugs and drug trafficking.
SCHACHER: The majority of them, yes, but the majority of them also did support the fact that there was sex trafficking.
PINSKY: The majority of them.
SCHACHER: You are looking at both here, Dr. Drew, both. And, the mother -- the mother even if she was, I guess you could say not entirely
aware of everything, it is her job to be aware of everything. This is a 15-year-old daughter.
PINSKY: But, listen, I am really not -- Here is Danine Manette. Our own Danine Manette has a tweet up here. "Sadly parental pimping happens
more often than people realize. I had a case where both mom and a 4-year- old had gonorrhea."
I have seen stuff like that. To me that is not pimping. To me that is horrible abusive male in the home. That is not the father of the child,
but it does happen. People do pimp their kids out. It is disgusting. It made you want to vomit when you hear about it.
And, Sam, I think that is why I have gone over to the other side, trying to understand this in some other way, just to get my head around it.
I do smell drugs all over this case and it probably is both of them, frankly. They probably are both drug addict.
TWEEDEN: If I was 15 and had been prosecuted out since I was 11 for four years, I would probably be doing some drugs to escape too, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: But, Leeann, Leeann, if you have a daughter and you put her on birth control for ovarian cysts --
TWEEDEN: Why would you put a daughter on birth control at 11?
PINSKY: Ovarian cyst. Dysmenorrhea. It happens all the time.
BARNETT: No. No. No. No. This is not a mother that is taking her daughter to regular checkups and so worried about the concern in her
health. This is not that case. This is a mother that, obviously, is doing something really, really bad with this child.
TWEEDEN: And, she do not want to get her child pregnant.
BARNETT: And, the only reason she would use the birth control is to make sure the little girl did not get pregnant. She is not worried about
ovarian cysts.
TWEEDEN: Right. Exactly.
BARNETT: Or heavy flow. That is not what this is right here.
TWEEDEN: She wants to make sure she can keep working, Dr. Drew.
BARNETT: Exactly.
PINSKY: Well --
SCHACHER: And, she is spending her daughter`s money.
TWEEDEN: Exactly.
PINSKY: Well, if we see that then it is pretty much done at that point whether if it is from trafficking or whatever the hell. Listen, the
reality is, you guys are probably right, right?
HO: Yes, we are.
PINSKY: I am trying not to throw up my lunch. That is basically what this is an attempt to do. So, I do not have to vomit when I get out of
here tonight. When people do horrible stuff, I always recoil from it and try to understand it in other ways. And, I think that is what I was doing
in this case too. But I think you guys have properly scarred me tonight. So, I think I am probably --
SCHACHER: Our claws were sharp, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Thank you, ladies. Thank you very much. Thank you all for watching. And, please DVR us right now then you can watch us anytime.
And, of course, "Forensic Files" up next.
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