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NBA Star Lamar Odom Is Fighting For His Life; A 911 Call Made From The Brothel Where Odom Was Found Unconscious; Lamar Is In A Medically- Induced Coma; A New Videotape Tonight Of A Texas Councilman Being Tased By Police; America`s Newest Viral Video Star By Allegedly Driving Drunk And Live Streaming Her Whole Drunken Road Trip On Periscope; An Aunt In Connecticut Attempted To Sue Her 8-Year-Old Nephew For $127,000 In Damages; A Halloween Prank By A Homeowner, Wherein Police And EMS Were Forced To Respond; Facebook Leads To The Arrest Of Some Alleged Thieves Of Bottles Of Booze
Aired October 14, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:16] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: We have breaking news. Of course, as NBA star Lamar Odom is fighting for his life. We have just
acquired a 911 call made from the brothel where Odom was found unconscious. Let us take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE CALLER: He is breathing regularly. He sounds like he is snoring a little bit. But, he is breathing consistently. He got a
little bit of fluid coming from his nose and his mouth. It got a red coloring to it. I would not say it is a deep red like blood. It is more
kind of a pinkish color.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE 911 DISPATCHER: And, that is coming out of both his mouth and his nose?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE CALLER: Yes. I specifically saw it come out of his nose. I cannot say for sure I saw it come out of his mouth.
Here is what I got. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- something called "Reload 72- hour-strong Sexual Performance Enhancer for Men." It is some sort of packaged supplement. He had taken a bunch of these.
Somebody just came up to me and told me that he apparently had some cocaine on him that he finished on. He did it on Saturday.
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PINSKY: The sheriff confirms that Lamar had used cocaine and was taking that herbal sexual enhancement product. And, now, we know Khloe
Kardashian will be making all medical decisions. She has power of attorney over medical decisions because their divorce -- her divorce from Lamar had
not been finalized. I want you to watch this.
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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN HOST OF "LEGAL VIEW WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD" PROGRAM: Lamar Odom, the two-time NBA champion and ex-husband to the
reality star Khloe Kardashian, he is in the hospital right now after being found unconscious at a brothel.
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DENNIS HOF, OWNER, LOVE RANCH SOUTH: Called 911. 911 said put him on his left side. And, they did. He started throwing up. He was still
alive. Ambulance came. Police came. They immediately said, "This is not looking good."
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RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: This is a guy who has not been dealt a very good hand. His mother died of cancer when he was very young.
His grandmother ended up raising him, but then she died of cancer. He had a 6-year-old son, who died of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. And, his
father was a heroin addict, who is very much in and out of his life.
After his L.A. Lakers career, he ended up going into drug and alcohol rehab. Crack cocaine addiction was reportedly at the center of his breakup
with Khloe Kardashian. Despite all of this, he managed to be a really sensitive person for the people around him known as an incredible teammate
and maybe it is because he had gone through so much.
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PINSKY: Joining me, Sam Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Areva Martin, Attorney and legal consultant and Michael Catherwood, my co-host on
"Love Line" and KABC Radio 790 A.M. here on Los Angeles; Segun Oduolowu, Entertainment Journalist.
And, on the phone, I got Nischell Turner from "Entertainment Tonight. Nischelle, what do we know about Lamar`s conditions now? Specifically --
there is rumors about -- there is rumors flying around. Set us straight of what you do know.
NISCHELL TURNER, "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT" CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Yes. I was going to say there is rumors about everything out there right
now, Dr. Drew. Here is what we do know and what we have been told earlier today, that he is still in a coma. We are told that at some point last
night, a source close to Lamar, and the situation told us that he did have a heart attack last night.
And, that the situation was touch and go with him then. That he has improved a little bit today, but he is still in a medically-induced coma.
So, that is what we know at this point. We also were told earlier on that there was intubation because he could not breath on his own, so we do know
he is also still on a breathing machine.
PINSKY: And, do you know who is with him there at the hospital, Nischelle?
TURNER: Yes, we do know. Basically, the entire Kardashian/Jenner family minus Caitlyn Jenner, and I think minus Rob Kardashian, Scott Disick
and Kanye West. But, we were told that Kanye West is trying to make his way to Vegas tonight.
We know Khloe has not left his bedside ever since she heard the news and went to Vegas yesterday. Her mother, Kris Jenner is there as well.
Both of her sisters, Kourtney and Kim are there with her by his bed as well and Kendall Jenner is reportedly there as well now.
PINSKY: Thank you, nischelle. Appreciate that. Mike, you are a season ticket holder with the Lakers.
MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST ON "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO 790 AM: Yes.
PINSKY: And the man is an important figure in the Lakers, forever. Everyone loved this guy.
CATHERWOOD: Right. Broadcasters, teammates, coaching staff. No one has anything negative to say about Lamar Odom. He was without question one
of the most liked people with his time with the Lakers.
PINSKY: And, it is so often the case, this disease of addiction takes our best, our brightest, our most sensitive people.
CATHERWOOD: Well, I mean --
PINSKY: And young.
CATHERWOOD: I do think that you are more prone to having the disease of addiction, cripple you even further if you are a naturally sensitive
person.
PINSKY: Yes, I agree.
CATHERWOOD: And, you know, it does -- the strange thing about addiction knows -- it discriminates in zero ways. But, I do think you are
more susceptible if --
[21:05:04] PINSKY: Mike, you are a recovering person.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: And, you used substances very similar to what has happened here.
CATHERWOOD: Yes, definitely.
PINSKY: And, what I was trying -- On Anderson Cooper a few minutes ago, I was trying to make the point that people that do cocaine over long
periods of time will often trickle in opiates, pills, heroin, whatever, but these days pills. And, that is what you and I are suspicious has happened
here.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean just, you know, to use my own experience as my guidance --
PINSKY: He asked -- Anderson asked, "Why would somebody put an opiate, a downer with an upper?"
CATHERWOOD: Right.
PISKY: Address that, too.
CATHERWOOD: Why would someone order two cheeseburgers when, you know, they got the fries already? It is just because you want more. It is more
fun.
And, you know, after prolonged use of any substance, whether it be caffeine or cocaine, you start to develop a tolerance, you start to -- the
effects of it, the fun starts to wear down and you start to become a poly user.
And, I never really had too many health scares when I was strictly using cocaine. As soon as I started to introduce heroin, I was going to
the hospital so frequently I lost count.
PINSKY: Sam, with resuscitation, just like this. And, Mike -- it still did not stop him. It did not stop, Mike.
SAM SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: I know. I am familiar with your story. And, it is heartbreaking because addiction
affects the entire family and everybody around you.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: And, you mentioned how sensitive Lamar was. And, then you also, you couple that with the scrutiny that he has had with the media.
You know, the downfall of his career, the downfall of his marriage. He lost his best friend, just what, about a year ago. Also an overdose. So,
and then of course, you look at his family history and you almost see this as a recipe for disaster.
PINSKY: Segun?
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Well, I am kind of intimately involved in the story. My old college roommate at the
University of Houston grew up with Lamar. So, I met Lamar on many occasions. Kids that I train as -- when I am coaching knew Lamar.
And, there was a brief intervention this summer. They stayed in the house Lamar was living in, in Los Angeles over the summer, and one of them
told him flat-out, "Dude, you are on drugs. You are a drug addict, right? We cannot do this."
Luckily, those kids are off in college now. And, I am just happy about that. But, if you know Lamar at all, he was on borrowed time. I say
that because where he came from --
PINSKY: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: -- what he grew up watching, a dad on heroin, mother dying before he is 12, his grandmother dies of cancer. He loses his son. As he
said it himself, death is all around me. And, then to involve himself -- I mean, even in his first year in the NBA, there was marijuana busts.
PINSKY: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: Where he was being suspended.
PINSKY: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: And, being sat down, like this has constantly been in --
PINSKY: But, Segun, he did not -- What makes me insane and Mike and I both have intimate long-term experience with this disease, he did not have
to die.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: He did not have to die. This is what makes us insane. Well, he does not have to nearly die, whatever this is. I mean I would not want
to necessarily recover from what he is going through right now, because he is not going to be the same after this, trust me.
But I would not -- he did not have to go through this. People can get better if they just cooperate. Just listen to the teams that can help you.
I want to bring on Skype, Dennis Hof.
He is the owner of the Love Ranch, where Lamar Odom had been staying for the weekend. Dennis, you there with us? He is interviewing with
somebody else, it looks like. Is that correct? Dennis, can you hear us? All right. I am going to go back to Sam.
SCHACHER: I have a question for you, because you have dealt with addicts for decades and when they described in the previous package that
they found him with a pink liquid coming down. What does that tell you?
PINSKY: He is in respiratory failure. That is what really tells me. I mean, it might have been some erosion of the lining of his nose from
cocaine, for instance, that could happen. But it is just when people are filled with fluid, they aspirate it and they got pneumonia or heart
failure. It just comes out. Areva.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: We know, Dr. Drew, these cases always raise so many questions, not just medical questions, but legal
questions, too. We watched this with Bobbi Kristina. Who is going to make the decisions?
And, we know that even though Khloe and Lamar had filed for the divorce, there was a stipulation for divorce filed with the courts but not
that has been finalized. So, technically they are not divorced. She is still his wife.
PINSKY: And, now she has durable power of attorney.
MARTIN: She has power of attorney. But, she has to make some really critical decisions.
PINSKY: Awful.
MARTIN: And, you have already said you would not want to come out of a situation like this. We saw with Bobbi Kristina, her family allowed her
to remain in that --
PINSKY: Too long.
MARTIN: -- kind of vegetative state.
PINSKY: This is not that.
MARTIN: -- for an extended period of time.
PINSKY: What was different -- if I can tell people prognostically, it was different. Whenever they tried to lighten her up, she had uncontrolled
seizuring. What they told me, there was massive, massive brand damage. We do not have that kind of story here.
We do not really have all the facts in yet. It is going to be bad. It is not going to be a great situation whatever this is. But, it is heart
attack, stroke, or just decreased respirations, suppressed respirations and aspiration from an opiate added in with cocaine, but it is going to have a
bad outcome.
CATHERWOOD: Listen, when you have this conversation of maybe the best thing for this person is to go on into the afterlife, that is a very
appropriate and reasonable conversation to have about your 95-year-old grandmother. We are talking about 35-year-old man.
PINSKY: Yes. That is right.
CATHERWOOD: And, I think -- I am guilty of it as everyone is when you see someone on T.V., when you put an athlete on a pedestal like that, also
in the world of reality television, you oftentimes lose sight of the fact that this is a real living, breathing person, and it is unbelievable
tragedy.
[21:10:08] PINSKY: It is so sad.
MARTIN: As difficult as it is, one thing that happens, though, we know Dr. Drew, when you have a durable power of attorney and a health care
directive, often you have had some conversation with that person who is going to be making those decisions about what you want to happen to you.
Do you want to be on prolonged life support?
PINSKY: Yes, but what do you --
MARTIN: Or do you want other kinds of decisions to be made about your health?
PINSKY: Correct. And, Areva, it is the gray zones who always get tough, which is -- we do not know yet how bad the brain damage is. We do
not know if he could come off of it -- Give us a few more days and then we can make the decision. That is probably what is going to happen here.
Next up, the conversation continues. Later, I have a new videotape tonight of a Texas councilman being tased by police. He will join us.
Back after this.
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DENNIS HOF, OWNER OF THE "LOVE RANCH" ESTABLISHMENT: He was just having a good time. He wanted to get away.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lamar Odom arrived at the establish the on Saturday. That his mood changed on Sunday, but he appeared to be in
quite good health.
[21:15:06] Two of his employees left him yesterday morning. He appeared to be sleeping. And, then they went to check on him later in the
afternoon and there he was found unconscious.
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LAH: The Kardashians aside, the L.A. Lakers career, the two championships, where did the wheels fall off?
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RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: After his L.A. Lakers career, he ended up going into drug and alcohol rehab. Crack cocaine addiction was
reportedly at the center of his breakup with Khloe Kardashian.
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NICHOLS: He had just such a lightness and joy about him. Despite all of the things that went wrong in his life.
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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Areva, Mike, Segun, and we are getting in a breaking news about Lamar Odom. I still got on Skype, Dennis Hof. He is
the owner of the "Love Ranch," where Lamar Odom had been staying for the weekend and was found unresponsive. Let me -- Dennis, there you are. Can
you hear me now, Dennis?
DENNIS HOF, OWNER OF THE "LOVE RANCH" ESTABLISHMENT (via Skype): I can hear you perfectly, sir.
PINSKY: Great. Now, there is a lot of weird innuendo and rumor going around about the potential of suicide. I do not buy it. Is there anything
from your standpoint without -- you know, I do not want to put you in a position of speculating, but I do not get that from this story. Do you?
HOF: Well, this is a guy that wanted to come to the ranch, disappear for a few days and have a good time. He wanted to drink a little cognac,
not a lot, but he did drink. And, he was just having fun with the girls. That is -- it was not a guy that wanted to commit suicide at all.
He did get a call Sunday night and it seemed to upset him a little bit. It was something about the T.V. show. But, then an hour later, he
was over it and having a good time. He was sleeping good. They were feeding him. He was having a wonderful time with the girls.
CATHERWOOD: I also think, though, that -- and I do not pretend to know what Lamar was going through in the final moments before this
incident.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: But it is common, especially someone who has pretty unlimited resources.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: That, you know, he is not putting a gun in his mouth and committing suicide, but when you get to that level of addiction, I know it
very well. It is kind of like suicide on installment plan.
PINSKY: You do not care. You do not care.
CATHERWOOD: You know, where you just, like, I am not necessarily aversive to taking steps toward the end, you know. Even though I am not
going to make a point to do it.
PINSKY: Is it hard for you to talk about that?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. It is really, really difficult. You know, it is like -- Thank you for pointing that out, Dr. Drew. But, you do feel a
certain sympathy to someone who -- you just know, I do not know what was going on. I do not know what exactly happened. One thing I do know, as
much as I know this guy, that he was suffering very badly.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes. And, you know exactly what that spot is.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: We do not know it. We do not know it.
CATHERWOOD: Well, and that is the unfortunate aspect of the disease of addiction, it does not matter if you are a streetwalker, or if you are,
you know, Robin Williams or Lamar Odom, the pain is very similar. It is very universal.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
SCHACHER: Can I ask --
PINSKY: It is such a human condition. You can feel what Mike is feeling, right?
SCHACHER: It is breaking my heart.
PINSKY: And, you would not know to feel that, right? It is a --
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CATHERWOOD: Areva is shocked that I have emotions.
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MARTIN: I got to lighten you up.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Areva is going to cry, too.
MARTIN: It is really sad.
SCHACHER: It is heartbreaking.
And, Segun mentioned the irony of Lamar being in a brothel and all of the relationship issues we have heard about between him and Khloe. But, I
think no matter what has happened in that relationship, whether you know, they had infidelity and drug addiction, to see someone so young be in such
a vulnerable state, I think is just heartbreaking.
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: That is why Mike is expressing and emoting because no matter what has happened in their lives --
PINSKY: I got to tell you --
MARTIN: -- it is a young man that is dying potentially.
PINSKY: What you are noticing, as a good co-dependent like myself.
MARTIN: Uh-huh.
PINSKY: -- is Mike and Lamar is the world exposed something profound about humans and that is why I like working with addicts of alcohol. These
are feelings that get confusing for those of us, who do not get stuck in the pain of this.
CATHERWOOD: Sure.
PINSKY: It looks like something you should be in control of. People want to be angry with you for it. That is at the core of it. This human,
human thing.
CATHERWOOD: And, to someone who does not experience it or even have seen someone close to them experience it, it does not really make sense,
you know.
PINSKY: It is not an --
CATHERWOOD: The idea that you can intellectually say, "This is killing me."
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: "This has destroyed everything in my life, everything external has been taken away from me. Everything that I find important
has, you know, forsaken me." But, you still continue to --
SCHACHER: There is such a --
PINSKY: You get that?
SCHACHER: Yes, but there is such a stigma still attached to addiction. I was reading the comment section before and I have been close
to addiction, you know, with some people in my life. And, to read some of the insensitive and ignorant comments before I came on the show about -- I
do not even want to repeat almost as if he asked for it. They do not understand. And, it is because -- thank God, we have people like you,
people like you who can educate the masses about how this really is a disease.
MARTIN: But can I say this, and not to defend those people that made those ignorant comments, but I think it is really hard for people to wrap
their brains around --
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: How someone so successful, who from what America and television tells us has it all.
PINSKY: Yes, but --
MARTIN: Beautiful wife, money, fame, fortune. How come they cannot be more in control. I think it is really difficult for people to
understand that --
[21:20:04] SCHACHER: He did not have it all, though.
MARTIN: But that is what the appearance is.
SCHACHER: I understand that, but somebody that had the childhood that he had, somebody that had to deal with, and mirrored his father essentially
and have this all played out in public. And, as you say, it is already so sensitive, it absolutely rips your heart out that people cannot be more
emphatic.
MARTIN: Well, think about what we saw. We saw the E-wedding. We saw all of this fabulous --
ODUOLOWU: Yes, but that is a show, Areva. That is a show. I think what Mike -- I think what mike is showing you, and I would ask him is that,
there is so much that we do not know that is going on internally.
PINSKY: So, Mike, describe it, so people can understand what is at that core.
CATHERWOOD: Well, I think -- I mean --
PINSKY: Where does the emotion come from other than you are identifying with the pain?
CATHERWOOD: Right. It is that there is, much like if you were to take someone who had a disease of the liver or a disease of the heart.
And, then people were to make the claim that that was something they brought on themselves. That it is self-chosen.
PINSKY: That they deserved it.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: They deserved it.
CATHERWOOD: You know, it is just not that way, and I understand it. It is something, if you segment, you know, the body and you can say, well,
it is very quantifiable someone`s disease of addiction because you have a certain amount of rock or powder of pills or drink that you do not
necessarily get with cancer or diabetes. But at the same time, it is a disease like no other and that it completely transforms your chemical and
your intellectual ability to deal with the things around you.
PINSKY: Without exposing you to too much.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: I want you to just describe that place that people are confused by the --
CATHERWOOD: Well, yes. And, you know, not -- it sounds so self- serving, but, you know, it is very hard to describe being a person who -- and I had a very loving and supporting group around me.
My friends, my family, were all there to make sure that I could be as healthy as possible, and I still felt no real compelling reason to want to
go on with my life. And, you know, that comes from something external and how it affected my personal chemical makeup.
PINSKY: Your brain.
CATHERWOOD: You know, it is really difficult to try and see someone like Mr. Odom because like I said, I do not know anything about what was
going on in his life. I do not know the guy, but I do know as much as I know anything that, you know, his life is not a pretty picture. And, it is
a tremendously -- it is an indescribable level of torture to kind of identify that being your life and still have to wake up and live that.
PINSKY: And, then to try to escape into this thing that becomes more of a problem and more of a source of pain. It is just this incredible
cycle that people get in.
SCHACHER: Painful. Can I give you a hug?
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
SCHACHER: Yes. It breaks my heart.
CATHERWOOD: Can you take your top off?
(LAUGHING)
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SCHACHER: If that helps. If that helps here.
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CATHERWOOD: It is a reasonable question.
PINSKY: Let me just finish up with Dennis. Dennis, you have heard this conversation. Anything you want to add to it? I appreciate you
coming and being so forthcoming about what happened at your institution there. You know, obviously --
HOF: Absolutely. You know, people come --
PINSKY: Wait, wait. Let me say something. Dennis, I want to say something. I got to say something to you. Thank your staff for rescuing
him, for not taking a second beat to going in there and getting the guy the help he needed. Not worrying about themselves. Worrying about him.
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HOF: Thank you. Thank you very much. But, you know, what we saw, the staff saw was having a good time and wanted to have some fun. They did
not see a guy that was spun out of control. You and I both know drug addicts. We did not see that. We saw a guy just wanting to have a good
time and get away from everybody else.
PINSKY: Yes. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you, panel. Thank you, Dennis for joining us.
I am going to switch gears. Next up, I have a just-released videotape that hopefully will explain why police in Texas tased a city councilman.
Back after this.
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[21:27:57] UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Put your hands behind your back. Watch out Penny. Watch out Penny.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE POLICE OFFICER: OK. He is going to have to tase you. You are not doing like --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Dramatic confrontation between Texas authorities and a councilman. Officers tased and then arrested --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: In the video officers tell miller to put his arms behind his back. Miller does not move his arms.
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JONATHAN MILLER, PRAIRIE VIEW CITY COUNCILMAN: What did I do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE POLICE OFFICER: Everything was fine and we told you that, but you wanted to get -- kept trying to get involved.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Authorities say he interrupted a questioning of four suspects. He would not step away.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The 26-year-old is a council member with the city of Prairie View.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Two friends of the councilman who were present say the group was not drinking or using drugs, and nearly
practicing a dance routine for homecoming.
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LARRY JOHNSON, POLICE CHIEF: I have not seen anything that gave me any cause for concern as far as this officer`s conduct.
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PINSKY: City Councilman in Texas tased by the police. That I believe is the police chief defending the officer`s actions. The question is, what
were they doing? Was it justified? Police have just released a new dash cam video showing what led up to the tasing. Now, I have to point out that
we edited the audio from the officer`s body cam, so we can hear what is being said and we synced these things up. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: I am telling you one more time, man. Go over there before you go to jail. Turn around. Turn around.
MILLER: I am not saying nothing. Get your hands off me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Turn around.
MILLER: I am not saying nothing. I am not saying nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE POLICE OFFICER: Go ahead and do what he say. Put your hands behind your back. Hey, put your hands behind your back and quit
resisting him.
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PINSKY: Excuse me. Back with Sam, Areva, Mike, Segun, and joining us, Kurt Schlichter, attorney and conservative commentator. Mike,
justification for that tasing? The guy was hassling them a little bit?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. It is so hard to say because here is the thing, very few people have a job where people then take 5-second, 30-second clips
of them doing their job and then try to tell them how they should or should not do their job.
PINSKY: Areva, yes?
CATHERWOOD: And, listen, again, I do not want to see anybody get tased.
PINSKY: Right.
CATHERWOOD: But at the same time really unless you are in that and you are fighting someone or someone is resisting arrest even in the
slightest way, it is hard to really judge if it is right or wrong --
MARTIN: Can we start keeping tabs. How many of these videos versus Walmart fights? Because it seems like we get as many police excessive
force videos that go viral as we see these Walmart brawls.
SCHACHER: Right.
AMRTIN: I just -- Dr. Drew, how much have we talked about community policing on this show? We have talked about it ad nauseam. Here is a city
council member, they have elected. He knows these officers. They see each other. He just voted to give these cops a raise. And, yet they could not
do anything but push him to the ground and tase him? It seems so absurd.
PINSKY: And, Sam, I want to point out, this happened in the same small town as the Sandra Bland arrest.
SCHACHER: Yes. One of the officers was actually the same officer. The backup officer. The female officer in that same case.
PINSKY: But to be fair, there is only about six officers in that town. So --
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: Well, it should be really easy for those six officers.
SCHACHER: And, I think -- listen, as you stated, this officer knew, or this councilman knew the officers and he was really trying to shed light
on why that he did not feel like the officers should have been there. There were some phone calls that they were out in the middle of the street,
that they were causing noise.
He was trying to let the officers know, "Actually, no, we are trying to prepare for a dance for homecoming." So, I do not think that him trying
to shed light on the situation is resisting arrest.
I think this is a perfect opportunity to showcase to these officers, to this precinct, that has a number of allegations of excessive force for
more adequate training. What is wrong with more adequate training?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Kurt, more training?
KURT SCHLICHTER, ATTORNEY, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Well, Dr. Drew, there is nothing wrong with more training. But, OK, let us look at what
these officers encountered. OK. There is three guys out having dance practice on a Saturday night in the middle of the road. That is not at all
suspicious.
OK. So, they are a little hyped up. They are a little wondering, "Ok, what are these guys doing? Because I am thinking it is probably not,
you know, practicing their, you know, dancing."
SCHACHER: But when they --
SCHLICHTER: It is not obvious that these guys on Saturday night are practicing --
ODUOLOWU: Wait. But --
PINSKY: Hold on. Audience -- Segun, hold on. Audience must react on this.
ODUOLOWU: Yes
PINSKY: Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think it comes down, once again, unfortunately, to racial profiling. They know he is a city
Councilman. Unfortunately, the way he is dressed, how they are acting, they assumed -- they could have listened to him and they refused to.
PINSKY: And, to be fair, the officers -- I believe, the officers, were black also.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: One.
PINSKY: The one was.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: One.
PINSKY: The police chief is black. I mean, it is -- but listen, it does not mean you cannot profile.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: But racial profiling comes -- you can be black and racially profile somebody else of the same ethnicity.
PINSKY: That is right. I think that is an important point, but go ahead, Segun.
ODUOLOWU: Well, I mean I think what you said is dripping with the sarcasm that as a black man, that makes my blood boil. That is disgusting,
some of what you said. They are probably up to no good. They are probably doing this. That assumption is what makes -- is not only -- it is not only
-- it is not only -- wait, wait.
Here is the last part. Here is the last part. Whether you thought they were suspicious or not, they tased a man kneeling on the ground. So,
how much of a danger was he with his back to them kneeling on the ground in a submissive pose?
SCHLICHTER: Well, that is a completely different issue. And, we are talking about why the police officers stop. If you guys got three guys
doing the Macarena in the middle of the road on a Saturday night, I think you want to have the police officers say, "Excuse me, gentlemen, what the
hell are you doing?"
ODUOLOWU: Why?
SCHLICHTER: In this -- because they are in the middle of the road doing the Macarena -- Supposedly.
ODUOLOWU: Wait. No, no, no, they were not in the middle of the road. You make it sound like they are in the middle of a busy intersection.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHLICHTER: There is a rule that ought to guide all our lives. When a police officer says, "Please move over there and stop interfering." Move
over there and stop interfering. If you think your rights have been violated, there are people like me called lawyers. Believe me. I can take
-- I can cause a police officer more trouble than you ever could.
PINSKY: Hold on.
ODUOLOWU: Really?
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. Yes, sir? Audience.
ODUOLOWU: This most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I would like to add a comment. My comment is this, and some may not agree with this. But, there are a couple
of things. Number one, it is Texas.
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
SCHLICHTER: Little bit of stereotyping there. Little bit of stereotyping.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Truth in the truth in the conservatism of Texas.
PINSKY: OK. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: But, the second thing is that this person was an official and he was as you pointed out, he was -- he is more
than aware than the general public about conduct.
If you are going to observe the police officers, police officers` agents and their tasking, their duties, you have to do it at a certain
distance. And, he knows this more than anybody. Unfortunately, this is the truth and happens to be a so-called black man, but it is unfortunate.
MARTIN: I just want to say, there is more than one lawyer in this room. I happen to be one, too. And, as I look at that tape, I am very
disturbed by it because as Segun pointed out, he is on the ground.
He is not a threat. He is at a distance from the gentlemen that are being questioned and it is really, really racist of you to suggest that
African-American men who are --
SCHLICHTER: Oh, please, stop. Stop.
MARTIN: -- preparing for a show at their homecoming are somehow --
SCHLICHTER: That is boloney. That is nonsense. I am not going to let you call me a racist.
MARTIN: That is not an official conduct --
[21:35:00] SCHLICHTER: There were two different issues. Why the policemen stopped, which I think was perfectly legitimate. There is three
guys out there doing God knows what. And, then why they tased this guy.
Now, like you, I have some questions. I would like to take the deposition of that officer. Why did you believe he was a threat that
justified using force? I am a conservative, so I always doubt the government. I am always wondering why?
And this is a government official. And, he owes you and me and the gentleman who was tased an explanation about whether he used force. So, we
really do not disagree, but please do not call me racist. It is unfair.
PINSKY: Sure. Sure. Yes, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: This was a group of fraternity brothers. They are Omegas. And, even I know that, and if you are having a
homecoming coming up, you are going to practice your steps and it has to be in secret. And, most people should know that. If they do not, they need
to have an education.
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: Well, I would like to point out, too and I do not want to, you know, walk on thin ice here and maybe racial profile myself. But,
we can all agree that no self-respecting black guy is doing the Macarena.
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: So, let us stop there. Thank you, Mike, for giving us a little opportunity to break here. I actually have the councilman who was
tased with us. He will be here after the break.
(MUSIC PLAYING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[21:40:22] UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Go over there or you are going to go to jail for interfering. I am not going to tell you again.
We are not going to keep playing these games, brother. Go back over there.
MILLER: You are not my brother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Go back over there.
MILLER: Second of all --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Go back over there. Go back over there.
MILLER: I live here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: I am telling you. This is her scene. Back off. You are interfering.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Put your hands behind your back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE POLICE OFFICER: Put your hands up -- OK. He is going to have to tase. You are not doing like you are supposed to.
MILLER: (EXPLETIVE WORD)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Put your hands behind your back.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: We are talking about that Texas City Councilman, who was tased by police. Back with Sam, Areva, Mike, Segun, and Kurt. And, on the
phone, I have Jonathan Miller. He was the man at the center of this controversy. He was the city councilman getting tased.
Jonathan, police arrested you for interfering -- First of all, Jonathan, thank you for joining us. We are having an interesting
experience here trying to understand what happened to you. And, police arrested you for interfering with police and resisting arrest. What do you
make of that?
MILLER (via phone): You know, I was just out there -- I was concerned for my friends. You know, I seen the lights and you know, I seen that they
were being I.D`d and you know, I was just curious as to what for.
They were at my house and they were my guests. So, you know, immediately escalated, and, you know, I ended up being tased and, you know,
I was put under arrest and sent to jail for the first time ever in my life.
PINSKY: I am curious about a couple things. You are a city councilman, so I imagine you actually even knew these officers.
MILLER: Right. I have had -- I have had conversations with them before. You know, I see them all the time. And, at city council meetings,
of course. We just did our budget, so, you know, we did -- we gave them raises during this time. We also put more money toward their resources.
PINSKY: I think it is time for some more training.
SCHACHER: Yes. Yes.
PINSKY: And, finally, what were your buddies doing out there?
MILLER: Well, we were out there -- I was inside watching the game originally, and they were outside practicing. They literally just walked
outside. Maybe 10 or 20 seconds before, you know -- they were, I guess, stopped. That is what was explained to me, one of my line brothers.
PINSKY: And, let me -- I am sorry to interrupt you, Jonathan. One last thing, because I got to move on. I am so sorry. But, is there
something to be learned from this? I mean what did you take away from all this?
MILLER: Honestly, there has to be some training as far as deescalating situations. I honestly felt like I walked away -- I was just
concerned and wanted to hear what was being said to my guests, and my friends. I did not say anything.
You know, I just -- and also just being aware of what is the actual reason for me being detained. You know, I was away, and I felt like, you
know, I did not understand why they were detaining me.
PINSKY: Jonathan, I have got to go. I want to thank you for being here. And, I hope the resources that you and your fellow councilmen have
provided to that law enforcement, I know how hard it is to feel the force and train them properly, but hopefully they will get something out of all
this and it will not have been in vain. Thanks for joining us, Jonathan. I want to go right to my audience. Yes, ma`am?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. I am from the bay area Berkeley, by Oakland. We used to have the same issue in Oakland. So, it
is no different, Texas, wherever you are from, it does not matter. And, as a black community, we have a bunch of Uncle Toms heavily in our community
and to watch this video is very disturbing.
We are tired of our black males being treated unfairly for nothing. And, I have a 10-year-old black son. What is going to happen to him? He
is very intelligent. What is going to happen to him? It is like the fear of the black men. Why?
They were doing nothing. Totally innocent. You know, those Uncle Toms, those police officers, mayors, Uncle Toms, they need to be dealt
with. Seriously, fired, demoted, fired, dealt with.
PINSKY: OK. Thank you. Segun, do you want to respond?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
ODUOLOWU: Yes. I just -- well, so, now your comments bother me even more because this middle of the street is outside the man`s house.
SCHACHER: Right.
ODUOLOWU: These are his guests. So, now the three guys, when you see the video, how far away he is from the police officers. Not to mention
that when they are tasing him, they completely forget about his three friends that were the supposed threat. They are tasing a man on his knees
while the threat, the three guys are way, way far away from what is going on.
SCHLICHTER: Look --
ODUOLOWU: I find it -- no, no. Wait. I let you talk. And, I find it patently ridiculous that four guys outside of one of their houses are
being judged as -- not only a menace, disturbing the peace, but they are -- it is ridiculous.
And, like that woman said, when you are black in America and a man in America, a black man in America, to be treated like this, for it to happen
so often then have you come on T.V., it is just --
PINSKY: Segun. Segun. I love trying to find a common ground. And, you heard Kurt say something. He does not trust the government. He does
not trust anybody. He wants an explanation from people that are responsible --
SCHLICHTER: Absolutely.
PINSKY: Is not that a common ground for you guys?
SCHLICHTER: Absolutely. Look, I am not saying it was right to tase the guy. I saw it, I am like, I do not think he needed to use that force.
I have trained people in use of force. I am not sure that he did the right thing. I would like to hear more facts.
I think that you are taking a bunch of facts and expanding them beyond where they are. We do not know what they were doing in the street. We do
not know how long they were there. We have not heard the policeman`s side.
That being said, looking at that video, the guy is on his knees. Not moving. And, they tase him. I have got questions. I have questions about
that. And, I am not saying it is right, but I want to hear the whole thing. And, I want the training done if it needs to be done.
PINSKY: Here you go.
SCHACHER: It needs to be. Really quickly, because I know we have to go, it needs to be. Because not only is it dangerous to citizens, to black
citizens, but it is dangerous to other police officers. Because when an untrained officer behaves that way, it changes the perception of all the
great incredible officers out there.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: That is the bottom line here. We all want to be on the side of law enforcement. Nobody wants to be a --
MARTIN: I think what we heard, Dr. Drew, he said escalate. That is the word that keeps coming up in these situations is how quickly these
situations escalate. They go from zero to 100, so quickly and no effort to deescalate.
That is what the training, hopefully, will do in the racial sensitivity training along with the police training. Constitutional
policing is all the African-American and Latino community and all communities is asking for.
PINSKY: And, you are not asking for it from necessarily white officers. These were black officers.
MARTIN: All officers.
PINSKY: She is used some pejorative terms. I did not want to go there. But it is about the application of their -- the sensitivity, which
they apply their professional skill.
Next up, periscope leads to trouble for a woman accused of drunk driving. You guys may have seen this one. It is pretty intense. Back
after this.
(MUSIC PLAYING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[21:51:14] PINSKY: Time for my "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook and/or Instagram feeds. And,
Sam, what do you got?
SCHACHER: OK. A 23-year-old woman from Florida, surprise, surprise. She is America`s newest viral video star. But, I assure you, she regrets
the title. She earned it by allegedly driving drunk and live streaming her whole drunken road trip on periscope.
PINSKY: Genius.
SCHACHER: Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: It is not cool. Driving drunk is not cool. I am going right. And, I want to go left. This is bad, guys. I am
-- I am (EXPLETIVE WORD) drunk, and this is horrible. I do not even know where the next gas station is.
This is horrible, guys. I -- I really do not know where the (EXPLETIVE WORD) I am, and I am so (EXPLETIVE WORD) drunk. If I get
arrested right now, you have to believe I am -- I am periscoping, like, it is the thing right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHACHER: OK. How gross is this considering that she could have easily killed people? Police in Lakeland, Florida, began receiving calls
from concerned people, who were watching a live stream.
So, thank God that she live streamed it. She was arrested on suspicion of DUI after she refused a breathalyzer and failed field sobriety
test. An officer described her on the scene as, quote/unquote, "Out of it." I am glad she got arrested.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: She is a young professional, it says?
SCHACHER: Yes. She is 23, a young professional meaning. I am sure she has a job. Maybe she lost the job.
PINSKY: Oh, boy, it is tough. Hope she gets treatment. Mike.
CATHERWOOD: OK. Suppose you are walking down the street in your neighborhood, you see a limp body lying in your neighbor`s front yard. All
right? This is what passersby --
PINSKY: Oh. Uh-oh.
CATHERWOOD: Yes -- In a Detroit neighborhood see. And, they have been calling 911 to report it ever since. But, it is actually a Halloween
prank by the homeowner. And, she has been doing it for about 25 years. But, this year, police and EMS were forced to respond.
PINSKY: Oh, no.
CATHERWOOD: And, a police spokesman says, it is not illegal but they would, quote, "Appreciate it, if it was more obvious that it was fake."
SCHACHER: Oh, my God.
CATHERWOOD: The only turnaround here that we can, like smile at is by popular demand she is now selling these dummy corpses on Facebook.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: What?
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: Areva, what do you got.
MARTIN: Entrepreneur, OK. So, even though, thanksgiving is still 43 days away, I doubt the families involved in this next story will be
feasting together.
PINSKY: Uh-oh.
MARTIN: An aunt in Connecticut, everyone has heard about this story, attempted to sue her 8-year-old nephew for $127,000 in damages. Now, this
aunt alleges that she suffered, quote/unquote, "Severe personal injuries" including a fractured wrist when the nephew jumped into her arms to give
her a hug and a kiss at his birthday party.
He was just trying to show some affection to the aunt. A two-day trial, though, and thank God the jury in 20 minutes came back no award for
this aunt, who sued this poor little kid. He had to sit through a trial.
PINSKY: Areva --
MARTIN: His dad is a single dad. I know it makes lawyers look really bad.
PINSKY: Yes. What is wrong with you?
MARTIN: It is not great -- nice, compassionate lawyers like me, but unfortunately, homeowners` insurance. So, this aunt is thinking get the
medical bills paid through the homeowners insurance. But, she is not thinking that it can raise the rates, the dad can have his insurance drops.
And, it is just a big mess. Do not sue your 8-year-old nephew, people, please?
CATHERWOOD: Can we taser her?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: Do not sue your nephew.
PINSKY: I like that. I like that.
[21:55:00] SCHACHER: Not the taser part.
PINSKY: No. The taser -- the part of losing suit should include a tasing.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: OK.
PINSKY: And frivolous suits, tase.
Next up, Facebook leads to the arrest of some alleged thieves of bottles of booze. Back after this.
(MUSIC PLAYING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: A liquor store in Mississippi posted surveillance video of two alleged thieves in action. The video went viral. Tonight both behind
bars. One video shows a woman concealing a bottle in her purse and then dancing.
Another video shows a man shoving a bottle -- where else, into his pants. And, they have both -- There it goes. That is where you put that
bottle. And, they have both now been charged with shoplifting. That is that.
SCHACHER: Wow.
[22:00:00] PINSKY: And, held them on parole violation as well. Reminder, we are on SnapChat. Join us there. DrDrewHLN is where you find
us. We will see you next time.
(LAUGHING)
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
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