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Lamar Odom, Apparently, Spent $75,000 Over Three Days At A Nevada Brothel; The Kardashians Are Keeping Vigil At Lamar Odom`s Bedside; NBA Star Showing No Signs Of Recovery; A Facebook Post That Triggered The Brutal Hour-Long Assault Of 26-Year-Old Marilyn Stanley, According To Police In Kentucky; A 26-Year-Old Marilyn Stanley Scalped Alive By An Ex; X-Rated Pornography Is Blared Over A Loud Speaker At Target; The 35-Year- Old Suspect, Took Off All Of Her Clothes, Came Out Into Subway And Began To Destroy The Place, Taking Down The Ceiling, Throwing Over Computers, Throwing Over Desks And Tables
Aired October 15, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:13] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, the Kardashians are keeping vigil at Lamar Odom`s bedside. NBA star showing no signs of recovery thus
far. Plus, a woman is scalped. You heard Nancy talking about this. Police say she was scalped by her former boyfriend having been enraged by a
Facebook post.
It all starts right now with the "Top of the Feed." Lamar Odom, apparently, spent $75,000 over three days at a Nevada brothel. And,
according to the owner -- that apparently in addition to the suite that guaranteed two women by his side all weekend long.
Now, one of those women and, apparently, the manager found Lamar unconscious on Tuesday. He has not been responsive since. When they found
him, there was froth about his mouth and nose. They turned him over.
A great deal of fluid came out. The kind of respirations they described were the kinds of respirations someone developed when they are dying but
they were able to resuscitate him. Watch.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lamar Odom seemed to have it all. A famous wife, a reality show, and two NBA world championship rings. But inside,
there was turmoil. Odom was suspend for five games after violating the league`s anti-drug policy.
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LAMAR ODOM, NBA STAR: I am disappointed in myself for not handling myself correctly, for letting the people that is close to me down.
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KAYE: He spoke to the "Miami Herald" about marijuana saying, "I just could not control myself in L.A. The lifestyle that I was living and the things
I had access to. A lot of times I think about it and say, `damn, am I fighting my father`s demons?``"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: After his L.A. Lakers career, he ended up going into drug and alcohol rehab. Crack cocaine addiction was
reportedly at the center of his breakup with Khloe Kardashia.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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RICHARD HUNTER, CALLER 911 FROM LOVER RANCH: Somebody just came to me and told me that he (INAUDIBLE) had some cocaine on him that he finished on --
he did it on Saturday.
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HUNTER: I was shaking him, trying to, you know, wake him up, smack him. It was clear almost immediately that, that was not going to be an option
and I can tell you that he was in real trouble.
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PINSKY: Joining me, Rolanda Watts, host of "Rolanda on Demand" podcast. I also have Ginger Gonzaga, Actress and Comedian; Michael Catherwood, my
"Love Line" and KABC Radio co-coast at 790 A.M. As well as, Lisa Bloom, civil rights attorney, lawyer at the Bloom Firm, legal analyst for Avvo.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
And, on the phone I have Cameron Mathison, correspondent for "Entertainment Tonight." Cameron, any change thus far? What is the latest on Lamar`s
condition?
CAMERON MATHISON, "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT" CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Well, you know, honestly, no major changes being reported. We got our Kevin
Frazier there on the scene. And, he has been covering Lamar since Lamar started in the NBA back in `99, and he has had a lot of friends to talk to.
And, apparently, Lamar still remains in a coma. He said that Lamar is on a dialysis machine because his kidneys were beginning to fail. And, as of
now, his kidneys still remain a top concern.
But, we did hear earlier today that there were some encouraging moments in the hospital room. He supposedly at one point fluttered his eyes, opened
briefly and Kim thought that he squeezed her hand. So, people are hopeful, but no real drastic changes in his condition.
PINSKY: Have you heard anything about the neurologic status? I mean everything really rest on that. I heard rumors of a stroke. I have heard
lots of different crazy rumors. Do we know whether there has been any central service system damage?
MATHISON (via phone): You know, that is an excellent question. And, I think -- you know, I think that is being held pretty tight. Here is the
thing is that the security has been, you know, kind of amped up, ramped up as you can understand as sort of the day has been going on here.
And, I think less and less information, especially on that level, has been released. So, I do not know about that. Now, a source of -- Kevin`s
source did say at one point that it was a heart attack that Lamar suffered. And, you know --
PINSKY: OK. Let me --
MATHISON: And, the coma was medically induced. Yes.
PINSKY: Right. Cameron, thank you so much. Let me read between the lines here a little bit here. The fact that he had a heart attack that make
sense to me. Heart attack may have either been the precipitating event that cause all of this or it may be secondary.
When somebody gets into this kind of a state from infection, aspiration, lack of respirations, the heart can be damaged. It can be a heart attack,
but that may not have been precipitating the problem. As far as the dialysis goes, his kidneys are not failing, they are failed. That is why
you go on dialysis. He has no kidney functions.
So, the question there is that -- Is that from low profusion, from shock, from infection like pneumonia, or is it from clogging from rhabdomyolysis.
That is something you understand --
MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO CO-COAST: Yes.
PINSKY: -- where the muscle breaks down. If you cross your legs and leave it and do not move for a day, your muscle will break down and then clog
your kidneys. Your kidneys will shut down.
CATHERWOOD: I wonder also. I mean all the reports are that he finished his cocaine on Saturday. What did he do until Tuesday?
PINSKY: What do you mean?
[21:05:00] CATHERWOOD: I mean, you know, with addict mind I am thinking, there is no possibility he just went without.
PINSKY: Right.
CATHERWOOD: So, what other drug was he using?
PINSKY: That is right.
CATHERWOOD: You know. I highly doubt it was just alcohol.
PINSKY: You spoke very candidly last night about your experience with addiction. Rolanda, in fact, was very deeply moved.
ROLONDA WATTS, HOST OF "ROLANDA ON DEMAND" PODCAST: I was so moved.
CATHERWOOD: Thank you.
WATTS: And, the courage that you showed. And, I even said in social media, "Mike is doing good work right now." Because there are so many, who
are listening to you who can relate to you. And, who responded to you in a whole different way than we have ever seen you before, Mike. And, I
applaud you for that.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Except the part that he --
WATTS: You might have saved some lives.
PINSKY: Rolonda, expect the part where he told Sam to take her top off. That was the part where Mike is usual.
(LAUGHING)
WATTS: Well, that is the Mike we know.
PINSKY: Mike then got on the radio today and felt ashamed of what he had done. So, I appreciate you. Are you feeling better about it?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean, I think overall I feel better about it. But, I think naturally, most guys can understand you are like, "Oh, I just cried
on T.V." There is a -- there is a feeling of, you know, regret, immediately after that happened.
WATTS: But, I think there are other people, who can relate to you who are crying. And, I think there are people who might have known this was going
to be the ultimate and who are crying tonight, grown men.
PINSKY: And, there are lots of people, Mike and I talked with this in the radio today, who do not understand the painful core of addiction. They
blame addicts for their disease, and this is my privilege of being able to touch this human point with so many people with this disease, but let us
put on your addict head for a second.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: You are alone in a brothel. You just took some cocaine. You are just hanging out. You are trying to hide out from everything. What drug
are you going to do?
CATHERWOOD: If I run out of cocaine?
PINSKY: Either -- but let us say, you have a little supply left and you are looking for something.
CATHERWOOD: I would definitely, if I -- especially if I had unlimited funds, which it seemed like Mr. Odom had, you are going to go to something
opiate based. You know, you mix that with a stimulant. I was never a fan of heroin or pills or anything like that.
It was really -- my end of my use was at the beginning of the ramp up of the opiate based painkillers and stuff. And, I never liked them, but when
I mixed them with cocaine, it was really, you know, something to behold. So, I have a feeling that, you know, stimulant addicts get deep into their
adduction, oftentimes that is the next step.
PINSKY: You look confused, Ginger.
GINGER GONZAGA, ACTRESS AND COMEDIAN: No. I was just wondering if the information of him running out of cocaine was --
PINSKY: Accurate?
GONZAGA: Yes, or is that him saying that or is that the brothel saying, "Oh, no, we did not watch someone go through a giant supply."
PINSKY: Right. Right. Essentially, everything -- almost all the information except for the firsthand accounts we are hearing is innuendo,
rumor.
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: Also, you got to look at it deeper than just the surface of a man with wealth and acclaim going to a brothel. Lamar Odom, by all practical
assumptions can get any woman he wants right here in Los Angeles.
He could have gone to a nightclub and found any woman of his choosing. I think the fact he went to a very secluded brothel is not only a sign of him
wanting a companion, you know, for carnal experience. He was isolated.
PINSKY: Right.
WATTS: Yes.
GONZAGA: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, that is a sign of like -- how many times, Dr. Drew, have we found -- heard about, you know, friends of ours that end up dyinge from
the disease. Where are they all the time? In hotel room by themselves, in their apartment by themselves somewhere.
PINSKY: Well, yes. Yes.
CATHERWOOD: You know, it is a sign of the despondency that comes at the very end of the disease getting a hold of you.
WATTS: But, these disappearing acts were not new. I mean there were a series of these.
PINSKY: That is true, yes. Yes.
WATTS: And, I bet there are tons of people tonight going, "What do we do?" "If we have a friend who disappears like this, what do we do?"
GONZAGAD: Yes. Well, that is hard for friends and for when he was still playing basketball for the association. When you are an adult, you can
check yourself out of rehab. You can do whatever you want because -- does not have power of attorney.
PINSKY: Let us go to the audience. Yes, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I feel like you put a normal human being in a situation where they are in the public eye. And, he is at risk
to do anything, but we forget he is a human being.
PINSKY: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: You have to make a decision as a human being. What are you going to do to respect yourself and respect those
around you? And, addict or not, and I know that story myself, he could have chosen many different other paths than doing this.
So, I do not -- I do not necessarily not blame the lifestyle that he is living, the Kardashian show, the public eye, but I also do not -- not blame
him. He has a choice to go to friends. He has a choice to go to counselors. He has a choice to go to rehab, but he chose to do something
that he knew was dark. It is not a road, he has not been down before.
PINSKY: Lisa.
LISA BLOOM, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST FOR AVVO.COM: You know, and also what about the responsibility of the brothel, right?
WATTS: Yes.
BLOOM: Nobody is really talking about that, but this is a legal establishment, as I believe it should be. But, they took in a man, who it
sounds like it was pretty apparent that he was an addict, and he is there for three days?
And, if he is using and using and using. You know, they are very happy to take his 75 grand. Do not they have some legal responsibility to call for
help if the man is destroying his life here?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Yes, they did call for help -- Because it was legal, they were able to call for help.
CATHERWOOD: Believe you me, if he was at the Chateau Marmont or somewhere in New York City, we would not be having this conversation. We would be
talking about Lamar Odom`s corpse at the morgue. Because the fact that they were so quick to respond, I guarantee you if they were illegal
escorts, they were not calling the cops.
WATTS: They could have run.
CATHERWOOD: You know.
GONZAGA: Legal escorts, yes. But, I do not know the legality of watching someone do a lot of cocaine in your establishment and not having to say
anything.
[21:10:02] PINSKY: Well, they do not allow drugs. They do not allow drugs.
BLOOM: Really? Really? A brothel? Really?
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: That is what their policies are.
BLOOM: Yes, their policies. But, supposedly, there is two women at his side the entire time and they never saw anything? They never saw him
posing a danger to himself and they never called the police until it was too late?
PINSKY: All right, we are going to keep this going.
Later on, police say a woman was scalped by her former boyfriend. It is a terrible story. There she is. We are back with that one after this.
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PINSKY: Lamar told the manager of the brothel, he wanted to get away. He did not want anyone to know where he was. He was isolating, which is as we
have discussed a bad sign for somebody with history of addiction.
Back with Rolonda, Ginger, Mike and Lisa. We had -- They are working on just -- very hard right now. OK. They got it. We are going to toss to a
little piece, a package from last night. Take a look at this.
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[21:15:05] CATHERWOOD: He is not putting a gun in his mouth and committing suicide, but when you get to that level of addiction, I know it
very well. It is kind of like suicide on installment plan.
PINSKY: You do not care. You do not care.
CATHERWOOD: You know, where you just, like, I am not necessarily aversive to taking steps toward the end, you know; even though I am not going to
make a point to do it.
PINSKY: Is it hard for you to talk about that?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. It is really, really difficult. You know, it is like -- Thank you for pointing that out, Dr. Drew. But, you do feel a certain
sympathy to someone who -- you just know, I do not know what was going on. I do not know what exactly happened. One thing I do know, as much as I
know this guy, that he was suffering very badly.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes. And, you know exactly what that spot is.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: We do not know it. We do not know it.
CATHERWOOD: Well, and that is the unfortunate aspect of the disease of addiction, it does not matter if you are a streetwalker, or if you are, you
know, Robin Williams or Lamar Odom, the pain is very similar.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
CATHERWOOD: It is very universal
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PINSKY: That is a profound statement. And, the pain is very similar and it is what connects people in recovery.
CATHERWOOD: Uh-huh.
PINSKY: Would you agree with that?
CATHERWOOD: Yes, definitely.
PINSKY: You understand that pain and touching that spot. It is also what is so profoundly misunderstood by most people I know and certainly the
American public at large. And, it is why I have a privilege of working with people with this condition.
It is that human tenderness that addicts have at the core. Some of them cannot get to it. They cannot get to it. Mike is a courageous person. He
is a fully recovered person. He can get to it. He can share it with you. It is still difficult, but a lot of people cannot even get there. They
isolate. They look for other ways of avoiding.
CATHERWOOD: Above and beyond even your love for your drug of choice. I think that, that is most people`s resistance to recovery --
PINSKY: The pain.
CATHERWOOD: -- is that it is really difficult to kind of be that introspective and try to get in touch with that core trauma.
PINSKY: Think about it. Your body does not want to do that.
GONZAGA: Ad, guess what? You are anesthetizing.
PINSKY: Your body points away. And, you have -- well, it is not just anesthetizing. Your body fights you from going into that material and your
disease says, "Go this way."
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: This is not where survival is. It is over here at the brothel with the cocaine and of course we see what happens. Yes, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Doctor, it is deeper than the source. I am not jumping on the Lamar bandwagon here. I have been a fan. He came
here to my city, Los Angeles Clippers in `99 when I scoured the city for his rookie card. And, I think the Kardashians are to blame. He took away
that man`s dreams and focus on basketball. He was in a bigger world bigger than he never experienced, I think was drove by Kardashians --
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: I do not think you are alone in that. Anybody else feel that way?
WATTS: Well, there are those who say that --
PINSKY: Mike? I will ask him first.
WATTS: Yes, come on. Come on.
PINSKY: You think that Kardashian has anything to do with why he ended up here?
CATHERWOOD: No. No, I think -- Frankly, I think it is unfair just because we do not like the fact that they make money doing stuff that we do not
agree. You know, at the end of the day, they are human beings. And, just because they publicize a lot of things, Lamar Odom was a man with a
disease. And, he -- You can never blame an addict for their disease.
PINSKY: No.
CATHERWOOD: You can definitely blame them for their recovery or lack thereof.
PINSKY: Right.
GONZAGA: And, in defense of Khloe, I feel like she understands that.
PINSKY: I will tell you --
WATTS: But, I did read an article today. And, I have to agree with this, that there may be the celebrity when it comes to sports that he was able to
deal with, but the Hollywood celebrity scene is a whole different kind of ball game.
BLOOM: Wait. Wait.
WATTS: That might have been --
PINSKY: As it pertains to Kardashians who are also human beings, guys. I know people do not like thinking that way, but they are also are. Khloe
did it as best as she possibly can. She got in with something that she did not understand.
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: She got him with something that she did not understand. She set limits. She tried to mandate treatment. She tried to help him get well.
She kept loving her heart and said I have got to go, but that is how you do it.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
BLOOM: But, why do women always get blamed? This is a grown man. He made a decision to do a T.V. show that is very lucrative for him and that rose
his star even higher. You know, why would they be to blame for offering him an opportunity that he jumped on?
PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not blame the Kardashians. I think that Hollywood in general makes drugs accessible. But, I believe
when you are born to addictive parents, you are already in that lifelong struggle and you might not even know it.
PINSKY: True. It is true. It is a genetic thing. But, Lisa, there is a crazy thing going around this town. A journalist told me about, where
physicians are writing prescriptions for special people, under somebody else`s name. Their assistant`s name.
BLOOM: It is very, very common.
PINSKY: That is crazy.
BLOOM: It is a lot on my cases, and it is illegal.
PINSKY: It is absolutely illegal.
BLOOM: Yes.
PINSKY: What would it be, fraud or is it -- it is malpractice, for sure.
BLOOM: Well, it is definitely, yes.
PINSKY: It is unethical in million things.
BLOOM: Right. As you know, it is a violation of what an M.D. is supposed to do.
PINSKY: It is awful. Yes, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: In my opinion, I feel that Lamar needs as much prayer right now as possible.
PINSKY: For sure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, I have a question. As far as the herbal supplements in the cocaine --
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: -- mixing them in your body, is that like a dangerous combination?
PINSKY: There have been reports of what it called aortic dissections of the herbal supplement with cocaine. But, the herbal supplement category is
thousands of different things. We do not even know, Mike, what is in there.
[21:20:03] CATHERWOOD: I know, but you can assume that there would be Yohembi in there. And, I even on no drugs, if I take Yohembi and try to
work out, my heart feels like it is going to jump out of my chest.
PINSKY: But -- but --
CATHERWOOD: And, make a middle finger and click me off. It is a really dicey.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: But, you do not know -- the ingredients in the stuff that was alleged at his bedside. But, these kinds of things -- I am going to throw
it up there, if we could put it up there. These kinds of things are available everywhere.
They are in gas stations. They are all over the place. And, it is not like the emergency -- and believe me, guys that use this stuff are not
taking one or two. They are taking a bunch. Let us face it.
And, it is not like an emergency rooms are filled with people overdosing on this crap. But, the emergency room are filled with people overdosing on
benzodiazepines, opiates, cocaine. Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Growing up in an addictive family, before he even got the idea of being in drugs that he was open to it
because of his heart. He played ball. His idea of playing was sharing, you know, his everything. So, when he got into that world, I kind of felt
that it was going to take over him, because he was so open. And, because of that, I feel like that was --
PINSKY: I have heard that kind of thing spoken about Lamar. First of all, everyone loved him, Right?
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: You loved him. You were a fan.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
(CROSSTALKS)
CATHERWOOD: I constantly tell people that, you know -- and it always seems like this happens when someone meets an unfortunate situation that everyone
talks about, "Oh, he was the nicest guy." But, the truth is --
PINSKY: He was.
CATHERWOOD: Is that if you talk to any of the sports broadcasters at Lakers officer team, if you talked to anyone who works for the Lakers
medical staff, coaching staff, he was the -- hands down, the most beloved player in the locker room and on and off the court.
PINSKY: And, again, that openness can be something that is boundarilessness and so, you get swept away.
CATHERWOOD: I also think too that when someone is 6`10" and moves like a ballerina and we see them on T.V. a lot, you honestly lose sight of the
fact they are human being.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: When someone is an A-list actress or actor or a rock star or an NBA player, you cannot really wrap your head around that they are just
like you and me --
PINSKY: Yes, ma`am.
CATHERWOOD: -- because physically they are so not.
WATTS: That is right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: In my personal opinion, I think the Kardashians come from a family of wealth and money and evilness, and I feel
Lamar was possibly crying for help and they could have possibly shut him down when he needed the most help.
PINSKY: Anybody watch Kardashians? I do not watch the show.
GONZAGA: No.
PINSKY: Come on, Ginger. Come on.
GONZAGA: I wish I could for the jokes, but I will say, I am the most cynical person ever and I happen to listen to Khloe and Lamar in an
interview on the radio one time, and I was like, "Let me strap in. This is going to be hilarious." And, they were so genuine and loving and they
seemed like best friends and I obviously caught that moment.
PINSKY: Were they separated at that moment?
GONZAGA: No. They were not.
PINSKY: Yes.
GONZAGA: This is like the beginning of their relationship, and I was like, "What? These are cool people like this is a real relationship." I
thought, "Oh, a celebrity dating -- another celebrity, they are trying to enhance their two careers."
They were genuinely, you could tell, friends and in love, which is what breaks my heart. But, I will say that Khloe, you can tell from her
interviews that she has done her job at least learning about addiction --
PINSKY: Yes.
GONZAGA: -- and to not blame him.
PINSKY: Yes.
GONZAGA: She offers love. She says, "Listen, he cheated on me. It was not him. It was the drugs."
PINSKY: Yes.
GONZAGA: So --
PINSKY: Maybe she excused too much, frankly.
GONZAGA: Sure.
PINSKY: They tend to do that, people who are so cool, like Lamar.
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: Even as a caretaker, I get something to that stuff.
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: You want to believe them. They are so nice. And, the addict takes advantage of that.
GONZAGA: Yes, they take advantage of it. Yes.
PINSKY: But be that as it may, I believe she did try to get him treatment. I have heard rumors. I see things here and there that suggested, he try,
try, try, but he needs to try -- If he survives this, he needs to go away for a year or two.
Remember Robert Downey Jr., he tried. He went to work prematurely, went into the public eye prematurely and then disappeared. He did not
contemplate that he would ever come back to work. He focused on his recovery. He came back. He is sober. He has a wonderful career. Now,
that is the model for how this has to work.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Next up, a woman lived to tell about being scalped. Police say, a Facebook post led to that assault. We are back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: It was a Facebook post that triggered the brutal hour-long assault of 26-year-old Marilyn Stanley, according to
police in Kentucky.
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MARILYN STANLEY, A 26-YEAR-OLD FEMALE WHO WAS SCALPED BY HER BOYFRIEND: It was shocking. I did not expect it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Her boyfriend at the time, 30-year-old Zachary Gross, allegedly got so angry, he began kicking her and punching
her in the face. Police say he then took the knife, she had to defend herself and used it to scalp her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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STANLEY: A very, very large portion of my scalp is gone.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Marilyn says he also ordered his dog, a pit bull, to attack her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STANLEY: My ear, it looks a lot better because it was just kind of not really attached to my face.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Zachary Gross, he is in jail charged with second-degree assault, domestic violence, harboring a vicious animal. Back with Rolonda, Ginger,
Mike and Lisa. Rolonda, you got more details.
WATTS: Yes, I do. First of all, it is amazing that this lady stayed conscious throughout this whole attack. He took off over 80 percent of her
scalp and then he put her in front of the mirror and just ridiculed her in front of the mirror before he had the dog attack her.
Then he drops her off a half a block from her mother`s house. How this woman survived, I do not know. The incident, however, is reportedly
triggered by something she put on Facebook.
So, we do not know if this was a jealous rage or what it was. But, she -- like I said was conscious throughout the attack and he actually praised the
dog after attacking this poor woman.
PINSKY: Lisa. I do not know what to do with this one. I mean you are shaking your head knowingly as though this was just what happens.
BLOOM: Well, you know, I represent a lot of women in domestic violence cases. And, the problem is, is that our police do not take these cases
seriously. Prosecutors do not prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Let me give you an example. He take a knife to her scalp. You stick
a dog on her head. This is attempted murder.
PINSKY: Murder.
GONZAGA: Yes, exactly.
BLOOM: He should be locked up for the rest of his life. The end.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
GONZAGA: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, I was shocked like to hear that he is being charged with second-degree assault.
GONZAGA: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: What is first-degree?
WATTS: That is so premeditated.
CATHERWOOD: How can you set the game up anymore than that?
GONZAGA: Right.
[21:30:00] PINSKY: And, Nancy Grace asked -- she did this story a few minutes ago, and she asked, in fact, this guy, her boyfriend, Mr. Gross --
his name is appropriate, was out on bond. Would there be any safe place for this woman to go or be? Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STANLEY: No, because he knows everybody that I talk to. And, he would just look for me.
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST OF "NANCY GRACE" PROGRAM: Do you believe he would kill you if he had the chance, so you would not testify at trial?
STANLEY: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: After the beating, Marilyn`s ex, Mr. Gross, left her a block from the mother`s house. Nancy then asked her about that and how she got home.
And, by the way, the scalp is a very rich tissue with blood vessels. So, there would be blood pouring down her. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STANLEY: I saw my sister coming out of the front door. She is carrying out furniture with my mom, and I just said to her, to -- I said, "Ashley,
help me." And, she did not know what to think when she turned around and saw the blood drip from my forehead right there and ran down my face. And,
she freaked out and started screaming.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Do you two have any appreciation for how somebody gets sucked into something like this, or have you ever been?
WATTS: I have been -- 1 in 4 of us women are going to be a victim. I have been a victim. I have been a victim.
PINSKY: How do you get there? How does it happen?
WATTS: You know, it -- it just happens sometimes. There were not any -- I think when the love is gone people can get mean and maybe that happens.
But, I think --
PINSKY: Well, but, by the way, the cycle of abuse is, "Oh, it is because I love you so much. I am so sorry it will never happen again." Then you are
walking on eggshells and it happens again. It is the cycle of abuse. "It is because I love you so much more, Rolonda, that is why I do this. I
cannot stand it."
GONZAGA: Well --
WATTS: Well, tell that to the police.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Thank you.
GONZAGA: Yes. And, also the same reason why she is saying I am still afraid of this man are oftentimes the reason why a woman will not leave
because they are thinking, "Oh, you know, this is not going to happen again." You think, "Oh, the family should get involved, the sister or
whatever." But, they can be victims as well.
I think information is so powerful and luckily because we have internet and libraries, information is also free. You can literally Google what should
I do if I am a victim of domestic violence.
PINSKY: Listen. No domestic violence is OK.
GONZAGA: No.
PINSKY: No domestic abuse is OK. People have trouble understanding. I want to show those footage of the Kardashian -- Bring up the footage of the
Kardashians. Guys, it was four years ago, I saw this on the Kardashians. I brought it up on this show.
It is a scene from Kourtney and Kim. It is "Take on New York." It is at E Network show. Kim punches her husband. People were like, arguing. No, it
is just so playful. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KRIS HUMPHRIES, KIM KARDASHIAN`S EX-HUSBAND: Rub your face in it.
KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY T.V. STAR: No. stop. Ouch. You just (EXPLETIVE WORD) ruined my pedicure. You -- seriously? You (EXPLETIVE WORD) my whole
toe just (EXPLETIVE WORD) broke in half. You always do this (EXPLETIVE WORD) to me because you are so rough.
HUMPHRIES: How am I rough? (EXPLETIVE WORD) relax.
PINSKY (voice-over): You cannot roundhouse somebody. That is not OK. By the way, the way he is holding her, not OK. And, he does have a tendency
to throw her around and push her. That is not OK either. That is domestic violence.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Lisa, I do not think people understand, that is domestic violence.
WATTS: That is exactly right.
BLOOM: It is.
WATTS: That is exactly right.
BLOOM: It is. And, certainly, men can be victims and people in same-sex couples can be victims. But, look, there is also a huge disparity between
little Kim and her husband.
PINSKY: I understand. But, neither was OK. I am sorry.
BLOOM: Yes. I am not saying it is OK. But, I think you do take into account the relative physical strength. And, the case that we are talking
about, where the woman is scalped, I mean this is absolutely horrendous.
And, this is very, very common, not the scalping but really severe domestic violence where women are injured, where they have to have surgery, where
they are bruised, where they are cut. And, law enforcement needs to take this seriously. Look at Chris Brown for example, just a slap on the wrist.
That is the kind of thing that I think sets a very bad example.
PINSKY: And, Mike, you got a lot to say about that case.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. Well, I think that you were talking about the cycle of abuse.
NSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: What goes through my head is what was this guy exposed to as a child to make him even have that as vocabulary in his brain that I am going
to scalp a woman. You know, like the trauma is a festering parasite that probably just sat there in his nugget.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: Yes, but we have --
PINSKY: He may have other stuff.
WATTS: We have 15 million children a year who witnessed this every night.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: In their homes.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: So, yes, I do believe it does follow.
GONZAGA: And, oftentimes, they will do it to their children.
PINSKY: They are at higher risk for engaging in that stuff themselves and they are high risk for not identifying it, when they do it to their kids
but the basic aphorism we say about domestic violence is when children are exposed to it -- at any age, stop saying -- they were under 2. They did
not know what was going on.
At any age, the girls become worriers and the boys become warriors. That the aphorism, that fits the syndrome of kids that are not even the object
of domestic violence, exposed to couples that engage in domestic abuse and violence. We are going to keep this going.
[21:35:00] Later, x-rated pornography is blared over a loud speaker at Target. Yes, it makes parents frantic. People are running for the kids to
cover their ears. And, it goes on for about 15 minutes. Mike, you missed that Target experience. We are back after this.
(MUSIC PLAYING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: A 26-year-old Marilyn Stanley scalped alive by an ex. Do you recall the moment that Zachary Gross ordered his dog to attack you?
STANLEY: After he hit me, I ended up at some point in time in his bedroom on the floor. And, I was getting bit by the dog, and that is why I did not
really realize what had happened until after the fact. Because I just remember when my ear got bit off.
GRACE: Would you be afraid if he were out on bond?
STANLEY: Most definitely. There is no way I could still be here.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[21:40:00] PINSKY: Police say a 30-year-old Zachary Gross beat and kicked Marilyn before then ordering his pit bull to attack her tearing off her
ear.
Back with Rolonda, Ginger, Mike, Lisa. Marilyn had just appeared -- that is the victim. She appeared on "Nancy Grace" and talked about what
happened to her after she had been scalped. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Do you recall Zachary Gross taking you to a mirror to see what he had done to you?
STANLEY: Yes. Like out of my side view, I could see all the red from my head and missing hair.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: An orbit fracture. I am looking at some of these pictures and there is more skull fractures and things you can see there if you read
those pictures carefully. Marilyn was conscious during that entire attack. Yes, sir from the audience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: First and foremost, this is very tragic and unfortunate. And, I really think that there seems to be a misstep in
preventative measures.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Starting early on --
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: -- in picking out persons that you are going to be involved in relationships with, to scrutinize over them to see
just where they are at mentally, even though some things get through. I think it really should be emphasized and even some advocacy for our youth,
for example.
PINSKY: Well, I think one of the things to keep in mind, Mike, something we do it on "Love Line" all the time, is if people have a pattern about
picking problematic people you should be careful if you are attracted to somebody.
CATHERWOOD: Right.
PINSKY: Because that is the one thing we know for sure, you are attracted to people that have problems.
CATHERWOOD: And, you may have grown up with that as a model --
PINSKY: Well, that is how it is.
CATHERWOOD: -- what a relationship is like.
PINSKY: But, as Rolonda said, sometimes you slip into it. It just happens.
CATHERWOOD: And, I think also what a lot of young women in particular. And, yes, men, do get abused as well, but punching and that playful
grabbing and swinging you around the room and pinching you, that is abuse, too. You do not have to get slapped and punched as somebody beaten on.
PINSKY: That is right. And, that slides into trouble, Lisa, does not it?
BLOOM: Can I just say something about the pit bull. Because I have heard people say the dog should be put down. You know, the pit bull was sick on
her. This is the human`s fault to trained the dog to do that. That set the dog on her.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
It is not the dog`s fault. And, you know, I am here today with my husband, sitting next to me. We used to have a pit bull. She was the sweetest,
sweetest dog. So, please do not blame the dog for what the human did.
GONZAGA: Yes. I just -- I am not a dog related, but I read a lot of stories about women in general, and how oftentimes in these relationships
they feel like they need men. And, I think it is so important for young girls to focus on how independent they can be financially and how much they
can work on themselves. So, they do not ever feel like maybe they are trapped in a situation where, "Oh, if I leave this person, I no longer have
funds. I am no longer a human being."
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(CROSSTALK)
CATHERWOOD: Ginger brings up a very good point. I was blind to the idea of just how hopeless some women who are the victims of domestic abuse can
be. Where unless they get up in the middle of the night without anybody knowing in a clandestine fashion, pack all their stuff and just get out.
GONZAGA: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Oftentimes, they can be trapped in a certain situation.
WATTS: And, this woman did say that this was not the first and that she wish she had done something, so it had not gotten this far.
PINSKY: There are wonderful facilities out there. Just look it up online. Just look at domestic violence, domestic abuse. There are people out there
that will help you, and they will all say the same thing. And, Lisa, I think you will agree with me on this, which is, here are the first four
things you ought to do. Get out, get out, get out, get out. That is it.
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
BLOOM: Yes. And, get a good feminist lawyer by your side to help you.
PINSKY: Hire Lisa Bloom.
BLOOM: Not just me. No, but get a feminist lawyer.
CATHERWOOD: Not just you, your mother as well.
BLOOM: Yes.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
WATTS: Yes. What is that they say? The number one punch, 911.
PINSKY: Yes, sir. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: First off, I do not think that is domestic violence. I think that is cruel and unusual punishment.
PINSKY: Well, yes.
GONZAGA: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a question.
PINSKY: It is torture.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Why is he not getting a tougher sentence? Why is there not tougher sentences for guys like that?
PINSKY: Lisa, it is for you.
BLOOM: Because the law does not take it seriously. The law says, "Oh, well, it is in the context of a relationship." I mean this is what
aggravates me, because I have clients in this area every day fighting for domestic violence victims.
We go to the police and say, "Please prosecute." And, the police, even though they have bumper stickers on their cars in L.A. that say there is no
excuse for domestic violence and yet they will not prosecute.
PINSKY: Is that California? Is that local? What is that?
BLOOM: Yes. I practice law here in Los Angeles.
PINSKY: Is that a problem with this state?
BLOOM: I think it is a problem nationwide. I do not think we take this seriously.
WATTS: What is the number one injury? I mean when you take muggings and rapes and car accidents combined, domestic violence is the number one
injury.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. She was talking about, if this man makes bail, how scared she would be.
PINSKY: Yes.
BLOOM: Right.
CATHERWOOD: Maybe she does not have a brother or father in the house there. But, you know, they always talk about it takes a village --
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Where are like the neighborhood guys that are there that are not scumbags that will be there to say, "Hey, look! He is not coming
around. I will make sure of it."
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
WATTS: I think they do not want to get involved.
PINSKY: Quick, quick.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not think that is extreme when you are touching and you are playing around. You are pushing and all that
because --
PINSKY: You do not think that is extreme?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not think that is extreme, because until it gets to extreme measures you only know that. Because if you are
not allowing yourself to push back, then you are allowing someone to just run over you. You are not in the same relationship.
[21:45:08] PINSKY: Ginger?
GONZAGA: I will say that in an abusive relationship like that, it is not easy to know. So, those things can escalate so quickly. It is almost like
the trauma causes you to not really have your full brain. And, even with the pushing and shoving like the Kardashian thing.
I think that, that does desensitize people to the type of violence. And, what is worst is, if I am a victim of abuse and I am justifying this
relationship and the things he does. And, I watch Kim Kardashian punching and her boyfriend kind of fighting back, I am like, "Oh, well that is
funny. That is fine." They are on T.V., and it is supporting that toxic part of your brain that is supporting that is justifying the bad action.
PINSKY: That is exactly right. You see, people tend to slip into it. Know that when it starts happening, pay attention. Know that it is not OK.
Discuss it with your partner at that point and see if you can get it under control, so you are both aware of that appropriate boundary of being
aggressive with each other`s bodies, number one.
And, number two, understand that this is a common problem. There is a treatment and you got to get it treated, because it almost always
escalates. So, please be careful. Interpersonal violence is a serious problem in this country.
Coming up, shoppers at Target and their children subjected to -- what shall I call that, Mike, a soundtrack? A special soundtrack?
CATHERWOOD: A beautiful soundtrack.
GONZAGA: You could see that on Mike`s phone.
(LAUGHING)
WATTS: Holiday shopping.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Back after this.
GONZAGA: It on Mike`s playlist.
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)
[21:50:48] PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix," where my guest tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, and/or Instagram feeds. And, Rolonda
is up first.
WATTS: This is giving a whole new meaning to spice girls -- And scary spice, I mean is. Apparently, there was a woman who was -- might have been
strung out on a new drug called spice when she went into this Subway restaurant in Anchorage, Alaska. Yes, it looks like an earthquake hit it,
but actually a buck naked woman hit it.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Oh my God!
GONZAGA: Oh man!
WATTS: She went into the bathroom, the 35-year-old suspect, took off all of her clothes, came out into Subway and began to destroy the place, taking
down the ceiling, throwing over computers, throwing over desks and tables.
PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Wait. A naked woman?
WATTS: A naked woman. Destroyed the cash register. We are talking about $20,000 in damages.
PINSKY: Wow.
WATTS: The eyewitnesses say she also smeared a bunch of feces everywhere.
PINSKY: Oh!
WATTS: Yes. They better clean that place up.
CATHERWOOD: Awful move.
WATTS: She was taken into custody and transported to the hospital for extreme detox. But, this spice drug is apparently causing a lot of trouble
in Alaska.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: It is a mix of cocaine and meth and ecstasy.
GONZAGA: Spices!
WATTS: It is crazy.
PINSKY: It got the spice and the bath salts and the flakka all that.
CATHERWOOD: Let me point out.
PINSKY: What?
CATHERWOOD: By the way, Alaska is just frozen Florida.
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: There is nothing but maniacs up there.
GONZAGA: Yes.
PINSKY: Florida with tundra.
CATHERWOOD: Yes
PINSKY: All right, Mike. What do you got?
CATHERWOOD: The drama unfolding on the strong Islands. Staten island, New York. It all centers around boobies and the mafia. A boutique is selling
t-shirts called boo bees, and they are marketed for pre-teen girls.
And, they featured two bees wearing ghost costumes and their stingers appear to stimulate nipples. The shirt is reportedly angering local
parents, but they are afraid to complain because they fear mafia retaliation.
PINSKY: Oh!
CATHERWOOD: The boutique is apparently owned by the sister of "Mob Wives" star, Big Ang.
PINSKY: Big Ang.
CATHERWOOD: Big Ang.
PINSKY: Big Ang. Wait. Wait. So, Big Ang`s sister -- I have been to her bar in Staten Island, called the "Drunken Monkey." I have. You are
laughing at me. She was on this show, years ago.
CATHERWOOD: What did you do?
PINSKY: I went to visit Big Ang.
CATHERWOOD: You are a man -- you are a man of science, what did you do?
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Listen, October is breast cancer awareness month, buddy. Let us get into it.
CATHERWOOD: All right. Well, a quote from a local parent says, "I am afraid Big Ang may come after me."
PINSKY: Big Ang will not come after you.
CATHERWOOD: The store is using the T-shirt to promote breast cancer awareness month.
PINSKY: There you go.
CATHERWOOD: And it is donating 10 percent of the sale to the cause. So --
PINSKY: There you go.
GONZAGA: OK.
PINSKY: All right, stop right there.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
GONZAGA: Very clever.
PINSKY: What do you got, Ginger?
GONZAGA: All right, guys. A crazy bear is running through the malls of Russia and its name is not Vladimir Putin. This is lovely. You know, the
bear, he does wanted to get some chilled products. He likes Gap as much as you. He is running through the mall.
PINSKY: He is in the mall.
GONZAGA: Adorable. Now, mind you, this is a 2-year-old to 3-year-old bear. So, that makes him a teenager. And, then you guys, he gets out.
Everything is happy. We are having a good time. He is going back to the wilderness. He goes -- oh, wait, no.
PINSKY: He is fast.
GONZAGA: Yes. He is on his way home back to where he is supposed to live and then they shoot him.
PINSKY: No.
GONZAGA: There they go. They shoot him.
CATHERWOOD: You knew they would do that. It is Russia.
GONZAGA: They could have just shot him with, you know, stunt pellets.
PINSKY: It is a good thing Sam Schacher is not here. She would be sobbing.
GONZAGA: It is very sad. You know, everyone loves a good bear to the mall video, but not good when it ends up dead. It is Russia!
PINSKY: Great Russian bear.
CATHERWOOD: You knew that was coming. You knew they were going to shoot him.
PINSKY: Next up, I am just thinking of something to say on the heels of that of what we know.
GONZAGA: The right to "bear" arms?
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: X-rated audios blared over a loud speakers at Target. Warning, what is coming up is a graphic audio piece. I know, not for Mike, but for
the rest of us. We will get a look at it after this.
GONZAGA: Yes!
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)
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[21:55:49] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: OK. Another warning. This next story is graphic. A California mom says she was shopping at Target with a 3-year-old twins when overhead
she begin to hear porn playing over the loud speakers in the store. Here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(PORN PLAYING OVER THE LOUD SPEAKERS AT TARGET )
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: What is going on at Target right now?
(PORN AUDIO PLAYING)
Oh, yeah. (EXPLETIVE WORD). Oh, yeah. Get that (EXPLETIVE WORD). Oh! (EXPLETIVE WORD). Oh, let me see. (EXPLETIVE WORD).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Do not worry, the employees were grabbing the twins ears. The video was posted to Facebook where the mother writes, "Shoppers and
employees offered to cover her twins ears as employees scrambled to find the source of the audio, which reportedly played like that for over 15
minutes.
(LAUGHING)
GONZAGA: Yes!
PINSKY: There you go, guys.
GONZAGA: Shout out to the employee who clearly quit his job that day.
WATTS: But that is the way we --
PINSKY: Find us on Instagram -- find us -- See you next time.
(LAUGHING)
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