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Khloe Kardashian Speaking Publicly about Lamar Odom`s Condition; Lamar Odom Out of Coma; Donald Trump Defies All Expectations; Lindsey Lohan Trying to Jump into the Ring; Road Rage Unleashed; The Duggars Back on TV
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[21:00:15] DR. Drew PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Khloe Kardashian for the first time, she is speaking publicly about Lamar Odom`s condition and
hopefully his recovery. Plus, Donald Trump, he seems to be more popular than ever. Why are millions buying into his message.
It all starts right now with the "Top of the Feed." Lamar Odom out of a coma. He is breathing on his own. He is off of ventilator. The
Kardashians are with him. He has been transferred to a Los Angeles Hospital for further care. Take a look at this.
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MITZY JONES, BROTHEL MANAGER: I cannot get him to wake up. He is like almost not breathing. did not wake up, he is almost not breathing.
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PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (voice-over): Odom was staying at the "Love Ranch," a legal brothel northwest of Las Vegas.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE INTERVIEWER: How did he look to you?
JONES: He was on his back. He had foam coming out of his mouth, and a little blood coming out of his nose.
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RICHARD HUNTER, BROTHEL`S MEDIA DIRECTOR: Somebody came up to me and said that he apparently had some cocaine on him. But, he did this on Saturday.
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VERCAMMEN (on camera): Lamar Odom is improving.
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VERCAMMEN (voice-over): Just last night, a helicopter took Odom from a hospital in Las Vegas to one in Southern California.
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VERCAMMEN (on camera): According to one source, he was able to say, "Hi" to his estranged wife, Khloe Kardashian.
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JIM HARRICK, ODOM`S FORMER COACH: He took his breathing tube out himself. And, he -- if he needs a mask, he will wear it, but he is breathing on his
own.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: And, the Los Angeles Multiple sources familiar with the situation says, Odom has started physical therapy. He is showing
marked improvement with his breathing, vision, and the ability to have simple conversations.
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PINSKY: Let me just say the story of him pulling the tube out on his own. People do that when they are in agitated altered states because it hurts to
pull that out. So, that is not a normal phenomenon. So, that is a little hint here.
Joining us in New York, Erica America, Z100 Radio Personality and a Psychotherapist; Jenny Hutt, Xirius XM Radio Host; Sian-Pierre Regis, HLN
Correspondent; Rachel Nichols, CNN Sports Anchor and political analyst, and Zerlina Mazwell, Political Analyst, Essence Contributor. Rachel, you know
Lamar -- have known him over the years, what are you hearing?
RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Yes. I have known him for a while. And, you know, what is interesting to those of us who have known him since
his 14-year NBA career is, hearing him referred to as Khloe Kardashian`s husband -- ex-husband --
PINSKY: Yes.
NICHOLS: He was a two-time NBA champion. He is famous far a long time. And, those of us who have known him since he was young have seen signs of a
of a lot of this along the way. He got a rough start, a tough break.
I used to say for a sports analogy, the rest of us started the 50-yard line, he was back in the end zone. This is a guy who`s mom --he was at her
bedside when she died of cancer when she was 12. His dad was a heroin addict --
PINSKY: Yes.
NICHOLS: His grandmother who then took over raising him, she died. He had an infant son, who died of "Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
PINSKY: Yes. Awful.
NICHOLS: So, someone who has had a lot of pain in his life, and was very open talking to you about what that was like.
PINSKY: Did you, in fact, have the same reaction as virtually everyone I have ever spoke to that knew him, who just sees him as a lovely guy?
NICHOLS: Absolutely. Well, that is what I am going to say is that, that sensitivity and warmth of having dealt with so much pain made him everyone
in the NBA`s person that they wanted to go talk to, to tell their problems to.
And, that is why over these past week, you have seen this reaction from the Sports World, of people saying, "Oh my God, I hope he is going to make it."
And, now, tremendous relief that it seems like he is out of at least the darkest woods.
PINSKY: Yes.
NICHOLS: Because he was the guy that so many other people leaned on because frankly, he had been there.
PINSKY: Zerlina, you are nodding actively here.
ZERLINA MAXWELL, POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. I mean the whole time that the story has been in the news, I am like, "He is not a Kardashian`s ex-
husband," right?
NICHOLS: No.
PINSKY: Right.
MAXWELL: He is someone who has two championships, and that is not something we all have, right?
PINSKY: Hang on. But, Jenny thinks he is a Kardashian.
JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: But, wait a minute. I do not think he is a Kardashian, but he is a Kardashian`s ex-husband. You cannot deny the
actual facts that he was part of their lives and their show, and he is still married to Khloe. That is a real thing.
MAXWELL: It does not need to be in the headline, though. He has a lot more achievements in his lifetimethan being married to one of the
Kardashians.
HUTT: But, it is part of the description and it is part of his narrative, and to deny that, Dr. Drew, I think is not --
PINSKY: I have a quick question. Rachel, is it -- let us say, he recovers fully from this medical problems. Let us say, he is in recovery from his
addictive disease, could he ever play for the NBA again? Is he that kind of guy, he could? Why did he leave?
NICHOLS: I mean, yes -- even recently they were trying to get him with the Knicks and it did not work out. So, this is someone who recently has had
dances with NBA teams.
PINSKY: OK.
NICHOLS: He had a rough departure from Los Angeles. He ended up in Dallas. There was a personality clash there. And, that really for a lot
of people around the sport field led to his spiral. And, really, in the last few years or so, his NBA friends have had a hard time reaching him.
Would not answer text messages --
PINSKY: That is part of --
NICHOLS: Did not show up at the places he would suppose to.
PINSKY: People isolate. They isolate.
NICHOLS: This is the phone call a lot of people thought, "Oh God, I hope this is not going to come." It came. Unfortunately, it has not been as
bad at least to this point as people feared.
ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO PERSONALITY AND A PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Dr. Drew, I just think we have to look at the whole story. OK? Of course Khloe
Kardashian, at his bedside, there, I mean --
PINSKY: Good or bad thing?
AMERICA: Good thing.
PINSKY: That what I said.
AMERICA: I would not be, you know, surprised if they get back together.
PINSKY: Oh no, no, no, no, horrible.
AMERICA: No, no. I am not --
PINSKY: Horrible. I am just saying.
[21:05:00] AMERICA: Let me finish, though.
PINSKY: Hey! Hey! Listen. Wait. Let me say. If he is in -- if he is in recovery, he should do nothing for the next year --
AMERICA: OK. But, again, let me --
PINSKY: -- but think about his recovery.
AMERICA: I am just saying, sometimes this is what happened with Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey years ago. 9/11 happened and they decided, they
are going to get back together.
PINSKY: Yes, but then one was not recovering from severe drug addiction.
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AMERICA: I am just saying the fact that he almost died, something crazy could happen like that. All I am saying is we cannot forget that he was in
a brothel overdosing on drug.
PINSKY: By the way --
AMERICA: That is what I am trying to say.
HUTT: We are not forgetting that.
AMERICA: I do not think a lot of people are. I think they are just saying, "Oh my God, he is better. Thank God."
PINSKY: Well --
AMERICA: He was in a really bad place. We have to remember the entire story and he has to get better. Absolutely.
PINSKY: To me the brothel and addiction a little goes together. Look at these pictures. They have pictures that were taken inside the brothel,
hours before he was in fact found unconscious, and struggling to breathe. He was in the throes of death of that point. Jenny wants to comment on
this.
HUTT: Yes. Well, listen. Dr. Drew, I mean you just said, is there a possibility he could go back to playing ball? You are a doctor. He has
kidney failure. His organs are a mess. A. How are they going to treat him and can he recover to the level that he could possibly be a pro baller.
PINSKY: Well, here is we do not know. We do not know what the nature of his neurological injury was. If indeed as was early rumored, there was
some sort of stroke, this is going to be a long recovery. He will not be playing with the NBA with a stroke.
But, if it is just a hypoxic brain injury like low oxygen, because he was struggling to breath, but it was still moving air, that is something you
can recover from fully. The kidney failure, interestingly, he has all these muscle mass.
What happens if you do not move is you break down the muscle, just the way the one leg gets together and it clogs the kidneys. But that is something
you can recover from fully as well. He is on dialysis now. But, they keep talking about kidney transplants, I doubt that. It is possible, but I
doubt that.
NICHOLS: Yes. And, look, whatever his NBA future is, his friends in the sport are just hoping that this sets him on a different road. We have
heard from former coaches, certainly his former teammates.
He has gotten visits from Kobe Bryant, but also Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and a lot of guys around the league just saying, "This is a good
person in the world, and we want him to get better." And stop feeling all of this pain.
PINSKY: Sian-Pierre, do you blame reality T.V.?
SIAN-PIERRE REGIS, HLN CORRESPONDENT: I do not blame reality T.V. I think the problem -- the biggest problem that Lamar had really was not being able
to get back into the NBA. And, he says that in a video that a lot of us have seen.
You know - "Yes, the paparazzi have broken me down." "Yes, you have stripped me of my confidence," but his confidence was really vetted in the
fact that he wanted to get back into the NBA and nobody would give him that chance.
PINSKY: Because he was a using drug addict, why would they give him a chance?
(CROSSTALK) AMERICA: Everybody is responsible for their own future. It does not -- Even though he is a part of that machine, it is still his life. And, the
other thing I wanted to just say is that those pictures, that was just trashy for whoever put those pictures out.
PINSKY: Yes.
AMERICA: That is not necessary. What if they did that to Kristina Brown - - like, you know, like if they did that --
PINSKY: They did that to her. Bobbi Kristina?
AMERICA: Bobbi Kristina.
PINSKY: I know, it is terrible.
AMERICA: Before, you know?
MAXWELL: I think that is part of the problem of the Kardashian machine is that those kinds of details get leaked to the media. And, I think number
one, like she said, "It is not about his NBA future, it is about him getting better. It is about us having empathy for someone who has a
disease.
PINSKY: Yes. I 100 percent, thank you. Thank you for saying that.
NICHOLS: And, he said to me many times over the years, "Basketball saved me. Basketball saved me at this moment. Basketball saved me at that
moment."
PINSKY: Yes.
NICHOLS: He would write the names of all those people I listed who were close to him who passed, unfortunately, on his shoes. The numbers that
references to them, he carried that with him. And, he had somewhere to go when he played basketball. Now, he does not have that. He needs to build
a new structure.
PINSKY: And, Jenny, how weird is it that I heard that the Kardashians brought cameras with them or something -- But hang on. But, you know what?
I do not blame them -- listen, hang on. Let me finish the statement. I do not blame them for that.
HUTT: Right.
PINSKY: They signed up to do this crazy thing where cameras follow them everywhere. And, guess what? They follow them everywhere. But, do we
blame the Kardashians for that as a question?
HUTT: No. Actually, I blame the consumer, Dr. Drew, because if people were not watching and people were not paying attention, there would be no
cameras and there would be no Kardashians. So, we need to look inward rather than playing the blame game.
MAXWELL: I do not watch it. So, I am not included in that.
PINSKY: Yes. We cannot blame Zerlina. We cannot blame her.
MAXWELL: Actually, not.
PINSKY: Next up. Khloe Kardashian speaks about Lamar for the first time, since that tragedy, and we are back after this.
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DENNIS HOF, OWNER OF "THE MOONLITE BUNNY RANCH": He is just having a good time. He wanted to get away. He was doing some herbal supplements.
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HOF: And, one of the speculations is, he had been doing coke before he got there. He was generous with the girls. And, he was, he had two girls that
he was with for a lot of time.
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HOF: He says I want to pay 75,000.
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HOF: The girls agreed to it. He put it on a credit card.
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HOF: We do not talk about our clients until something like this happens.
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HOF: He did get a call on Sunday afternoon, or evening, and seemed a little upset about a T.V. show that he was on with the Kardashians. I
mean, it is not any secret that he was at the brothel, and that the ambulance took him away, and they could not fit him in the helicopter.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE INTERVIEWER: Do you think you have an obligation to be quiet about what has happened to him?
HOF: Not at all, because I feel like I am protecting his interests.
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PINSKY: That of course was Dennis Hof, publicly revealing personal details about Lamar Odom`s stay at the Las Vegas Brothel. Back with Erica, Jenny,
Sian-Pierre, Rachel, Zerlina. So, here is the thing, we are all listening to Dennis there, we are going, "Oh, no he should not." But, it is a
brothel. There is no ethical standards for Dennis Hof, Zerlina.
MAXWELL: But, for me, the stigmatizing of the brother -- a legal brothel at that, for me, that is not even -- that is on a side. The focus here is
the fact that he is ill and he needs to get better. And, so, for me, I am always leading with empathy. I am always trying to think about, I hope in
the end he ends up in a cabin in Kansas where no cameras are there.
PINSKY: He needs that.
MAXWELL: With no media and no press.
PINSKY: No. You are right.
MAXWELL: Without broken dreams. That is what I say.
PINSKY: No, no, no. Without that, he is going to relapse. I can guarantee you.
NICHOLS: And, I want to say, around the sports world, your attitude is really what the primary attitude was. Lebron James, of all people, put it
on Instagram post the next day saying, "No judgment."
MAXWELL: Right.
NICHOLS: And, he said, "You do not know about a man`s path until you have walked in his shoes." And, I think for a lot of these guys who have come
from all different kinds of backgrounds and know how hard it can be to get to the point where the sudden spotlight finds you --
PINSKY: Yes.
[21:15:00] NICHOLS: You say, "Wait a minute, let us not judge here."
PINSKY: OK. Now, I want to get your --
AMERICA: So, let us get to top -- Yes, sorry.
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PINSKY: I want you to talk about that, but I also want to get your opinion --
AMERICA: Sure.
PINSKY: -- on how long you think he should be treated if he is willing to actively participate.
AMERICA: OK. Sure.
PINSKY: But tell me about Dennis first.
AMERICA: So, Dennis Hof, just a feeling I am getting is that it is not the best intentions talking. He seems like a guy, who I have just seen on, you
know, this for years and years. He likes the public eye. He wants this and he is like giving out little dirty details. So, I am not saying he is
a bad guy. What I am also find interesting is that the Kardashian just asked him to be silent though. Can they really do that? I do not think
so.
PINSKY: He told them to shut-up.
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REGIS: Dennis is a businessman, guys. He is a businessman. He wants more people to come to his spa.
AMERICA: Right.
REGIS: What was the room that, you know --
PINSKY: Did you say spa?
AMERICA: Spa.
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REGIS: A spa, yes. You know, where did Lamar relapse?
NICHOLS: So, wait a minute. Is this selling his Spa. "Hey, come and collapse at my spa."
REGIS: Absolutely.
PINSKY: I did not know about the private room until this all happened.
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MAXWELL: Right. I did not know that there were legal brothels there.
REGIS: I did not know there were legal brothels and that this is happening, and you can get high there.
PINSKY: Yes.
REGIS: And, that all -- you know, like who would not want to let go if you have that much money. There are a lot of celebrities that want to do that
--
MAXWELL: There are a lot of regular dudes that goes to those legal brothels.
PINSKY: We did not know there is such a thing as a legal brothel.
MAXWELL: Right. And, I think that is interesting because sex work, there is a lot of talk about sex trafficking. But, yet, we do not talk about
cathouse in Nevada.
REGIS: Yes. $5,000 and I do not want to do cocaine, but I do want to sleep with two women.
NICHOLS: Wowza.
PINSKY: Yowza?
AMERICA: Wowza.
NICHOLS: I do not think most people with $75,000 would have a hard time to sleep with a lots of women or having a hard time trying to --
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MAXWELL: Right.
REGIS: That is what I am thinking. I get it.
NICHOLS: But that is just my opinion.
HUTT: Is anybody really surprised by Dennis Hof`s behavior? I mean, this is a guy, who is known for talking about his -- about his facilities or
spas, if you will.
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AMERICA: Right.
PINSKY: Now, you guys mentioned the Kardashian and Dennis Hof, apparently there is a feud, take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE INTERVIEWER: Kardashians have gone through a representative and said Dennis basically, we want you to be quiet. And,
they have suggested that you are trying to make some sort of publicity game at this whole incident.
HOF: That is right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE INTERVIEWER: What is your answer to that?
HOF: Well, the answer is that, the Kardashians, not one of anybody to talk. The Kardashians are known for talking to the media and doing things.
They just want to control what was said. And, they are going to say bad things about me and my place. They have already said things out in the
media.
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PINSKY: He has a point.
AMERICA: Yes.
PINSKY: It is true.
NICHOLS: 100 percent correct.
PINSKY: Yes.
REGIS: Two things. I do not think that the Kardashians actually brought cameras; but if they did, Ms. Kardashian, Kris Jenner, is the smartest
businessman of all of them. Why would you let Dennis Hof tell the story, when you could tell the story in your own way?
HUTT: I mean, so, now they are going to say, "No, no, now. Here is where we draw the line, Dennis Hof?"
MAXWELL: She wants to control the narrative.
HUTT: She wants to control it.
REGIS: Right.
HUTT: Exactly, because she is the momager and she decides how their story is told.
PINSKY: Now, I want to show you something as Lamar`s -- as it pertains to Kardashians. This is what Lamar Odom`s dad said about the Kardashians.
And, let me -- before I read this.
I mentioned that I have been very supportive of what Khloe has been doing. I thought she has done as best as you can do as someone who loves someone
with this condition. And, everyone that I know, including you guys that have met Lamar thinks he is the greatest guy, it is especially painful.
The dad said quote, "They have not been good influence on my son. It has been the curse of his life. He has not really accomplished anything since
he has been with them. Without them, he would still be playing in the NBA basketball. He would be playing for the Lakers and be one of the top
players in the league."
Rachel, I think it is his addiction that got in the way of his professional life as a basketball player, did not he not?
NICHOLS: He won an NBA title and was the sixth man of the year while he was with Khloe Kardashian. So, it is a little bit of stretch to say he has
not done anything since he has been with them. I would like to do so little.
But, look, Lamar Odom`s father has been in and out of his life. Lamar Odom`s father being an addict himself and not being there for Lamar was one
of the great pains of his life. So, there are ulterior motives of everybody involved, and everybody trying to stake their claim of "It is
your fault." "No, it is really your fault."
The fact is, it is just sad and you hope that somebody who is a good person gets the love and support they need from anyone, from their father, from
their ex-wife, from their adopted family, so that they can feel better going forward. That is all anybody who really cares about him should be
saying in this moment. Not pointing fingers.
PISKY: Rachel, you are one of many, many people who have said to me, it is a sad story. I do not feel it is sad. Sad would have been if he died.
This is an opportunity. It is an intense story. It is an awful story --
NICHOLS: Well, we will have to find out what kind of condition he is in.
PINSKY: Well, presuming that there is no serious neurological damage -- I agree with you. I hope to God that is the case. But, if he gets the
message here, this could be the start of something really wonderful for this guy. He should not get back with Khloe though after being sober for a
long time. One day maybe, but not now.
HUTT: What about the anger component, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: Anger?
HUTT: Well, because -- this is somebody who -- yes, it is addiction. So, we have to question about choice, when it comes to addiction; but, he chose
to be at the spa. Then he took whatever he took, which he had an addiction, but it is a choice to work your program or not work your program
--
PINSKY: Yes, he is responsible for his recovery. He was not in his recovery. It is clearly not.
HUTT: Right. So, that makes me angry.
PINSKY: And, the hard part for a lot of people is that -- Normally, they are trying to figure out, "What is he doing in there?"
[21:20:00] Do not assume addicts brain works the way your brain does. This is all the brothel, the money, everything is all part of addiction.
It is not like he is a bad guy. He was a guy well into his disease and I agree with you --
MAXWELL: If you have an addiction and millions of dollars, it is more difficult than if you are a regular person.
PISKY: You know what? You know Mike Catherwood? The guy who is on this show all the time.
MAXWELL: Yes. Yes, of course said the exact same thing. He said look, if I had all the resource in the world, I would be dead. Period.
REGIS: How does a weak man come back and own his own story?
PINSKY: Weak man?
REGIS: I mean --
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PINSKY: See. I do not see him as a weak man. I see him as tremendously powerful.
REGIS: Maybe he is tremendously powerful, but in a video that I saw two weeks before he was in the brothel, he was saying, "You know, you have
struck me down." Straight to a cameraman, "You have stuck me down. You have stripped away my confidence." --
NICHOLS: But, Lamar Odom has overcome -- I mean frankly, that aspect of his story, he has overcome so much more than this.
AMERICA: Yes.
NICHOLS: I do not know if he is going to physically overcome his condition. But in terms of obstacles in his life, I promise you he has
bounced back from more.
PINSKY: I got to wrap it up. I know I recoiled against what Sian-Pierre said, but I am so glad he said it. Because, addict seem weak there, not
weak. They are the most powerful people I know, and they are contending with the distortion that makes them the way they are, not because they are
weak.
When they get recovery, think about the people you know who are in recovery, they seem weak to you. It is the same person, except they are
dealing with their disease. They are very rich, strong, smart, lovely people, why I am honored to work with so often.
Next up, Donald Trump defies all expectations as he surges back in the polls. We are back after this.
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[21:25:30] DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Do you know who we have that has a zero? Lindsey Graham, what is going on with this guy?
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PINSKY: He has an uncanny act for putting other people in the position of saying, "Essentially, I know you are but what am I?"
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: If Donald said it then I think it. That is how much I believe in him.
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RO SMITH, IRAQ WAR VETERAN: The reason that people are into Trump because -- is because he has this bluster.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: He is a very bold and brash businessman and he brings that to the table as far as his campaign running
in the White House -- for the White House.
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HUTT: It is sort of like the Kardashian candidate.
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SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I am going to predict.
PINSKY: Yes?
HOSTIN: He will be the republican candidate.
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PINSKY: Well, the National Review --
HOSTIN: He will be.
PINSKY: Listen, guys.
HOSTIN: He will be.
PINSKY: The National Review just came out and conceited that.
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PINSKY: I should correct that. It was not the National View as a magazine. There was an article in National View that suggested that he
would in fact be the candidate.
And, the latest CNN/ORC Poll has Trump holding on to his lead with 27 percent. Ben Carson at 22 percent. Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are tied for
third with 8 percent. Can you believe that? We are saying that about Jeb Bush, 8 percent.
Back with Erica, Jenny, Sian-Pierre, Zerlina. Joining us, Kayleigh McEnany, Political Commentator. Kayleigh, thanks as always. Why do you
think he is soaring in the polls in spite -- I mean he is held. Do you know what I mean? There is less time left until the first votes are cast,
then he has been in the lead.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. For 99 weeks, he has been at the top of every major poll. That is remarkable for any candidate, and
there is a reason why. Look, voters are tired of the scripted politician.
They are so tired of people who poll test every word that comes out of their mouth. And with Donald Trump, for better or worse, you have
authenticity. And, people like it, and they are eating it up and he is at the top because of it.
PINSKY: And, Zerlina, you are nodding yes.
MAXWELL: Yes. I mean I agree with that 100 percent, but I also think he is gaffe-proof. And, so there is nothing he can --
PINSKY: He is gaffe-proof.
MAXWELL: He is gaffe-proof. There is nothing he could say to offend the people, who are supporting him --
PINSKY: Is that the people --
MAXZWELL: That is why the support is just maintained.
PINSKY: Is that the people who are supporting him that will not concede a gaffe, or is it some of his little sort of his talent? He gaffes, and it
still works in his behalf?
MAXWELL: Well, I think any of the combination of those two things. But, I just think that he is very light on substance. And, I am waiting to hear
some policy-specifics, not his, you know, imaginary immigration fantasy, but something that actually goes down into the details.
But, he sounds like a Rush Limbaugh caller. If you have ever listened to Rush Limbaugh, and they call him. They say, "Everything is terrible.
Everyone is stupid. All the politicians are doing the wrong things. He resonates on an emotional level.
HUTT: I have to go to what Kayleigh just said about his authenticity. I do not believe a word he says. I do not believe his stance on things like
abortion or on his love of the bible. I think that is a bunch of a butt kiss.
MCENANY: I think -- I mean Hillary Clinton changed on just about every issue. So, if we really want to talk flip-flop, let us look there, not at
Donald Trump.
(CROSSTALK)
AMERICA: I think it is the brash, bold confidence that has people thinking he really is going to like take a stand.
PINSKY: Like he is going to lead us.
AMERICA: I am not saying I believe in it --
PINSKY: He is going to lead us out.
HUTT: To where?
AMERICA: Also, I think it is overly simplified street talk. It is like he missed up. We should have did this, that." So, they do not to want hear
the scripted, someone said, "Yeah, the scripted talk that tight-lipped politicians have done for years." He is so oversimplified that people are
like, "I can relate to that. Yes, I get that." And, that is why people are like kind of digging it. It is crazy.
REGIS: Among my friends who are all millennials, if you will. Right? We call him human clip bait. Ad, that is because, you know, when you are
going through your feed, you see highlights of what he has to say. Most people will not click in, as you do on your feed. You are like, "OK, he is
crazy." If you do click in, you see nothing of substance, to your point when you are like, "OK" --
MCENANY: That is not true.
MAXWELL: No. It is true.
MCENANY: No. It is not true.
REGIS: You did not have anything to back up what he had to say.
MCENANY: No. But, if you listen to his full speeches, you do find substance.
MAXWELL: I do.
MCENANY: He has many policy position papers out there with innovative ideas --
MAXWELL: Immigration --
MCENANY: With new ideas and --
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. Hold your thought. Hold your thought. Keep that picture on the two of them right now. Not on me, keep it on the two
of them. If the primary is held today and you are a voting -- let us say you are voting in the primary, know how you registered. Voting for Trump,
yes or no. Raise your hand, yes.
MCENANY: Voting for Trump in the primary, I do not know --
PINSKY: Just yes or no.
MCENANY: He is among my top three, Yes.
PINSKY: Top three.
MAXWELL: Absolutely, not. I am a democrat.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: No. OK. You are not who I would expect to be the Trump voter.
MCENANY: No. But, Trump --
PINSKY: But, Kayleigh, maybe. Zerlina, no.
MAXWELL: That is right.
PINSKY: Why no?
MAXWELL: Because he does not say anything specific.
MCENANY: He does though.
MAXWELL: He is running to have control of the nuclear launch code. And, he said everything is terrible. When somebody came to his rally and said,
they have Muslims in camps.
MCENANY: Yes.
MAXWELL: He said, we are taking a look at things. That is not --
(LAUGHING)
MCENANY: Yes. He is going to take care of the problem --
MAXWELL: That is not specific.
MCENANY: He did not want to engage that voter, and that is perfectly fine.
MAXWELL: But, that is an example of how he sounds all the time.
MCENANY: No. No. That is not true.
MAXWELL: How is he going to support 11 million people?
MCENANY: Go ahead -- you can find his policy position papers detailed number, stats, policies, they are out there.
PINSKY: I am more --
MAXWELL: How is he going to support 11 million people.
PINSKY: I am interested in who is voting for him. I do not have a horse in the race either like you guys. I am still assessing things. But, I am
fascinated about people who are absolutely -- are just viciously behind him.
[21:30:06] REGIS: Not young people, that is for sure.
PINSKY: Well, that interesting too. I want to talk more about that. But, I want to show you the response from what is typically been my studio
audience. They have surprised me in many occasions. Here are just a couple of them.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: You all need to leave Trump alone, OK? Because I am for Trump, today and forever. Trump is all about money.
You, guys, are focused on issues. And, we need to focus on world issues and not world problems, and that is what he has been trying to do. So, I
cheer him up.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGI VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: The thing about Trump is this, he has told the truth. Trump has told the truth because when the media claimed,
"Oh, people are not being murdered in the U.S.", he started parading those families in front of the media, and they shut up.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGI VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: He is telling the truth.
PINSKY: There is a feeling he is tapping into.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes.
PINSKY: What is the feeling?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: Truth.
PINSKY: No, no. What is the feeling --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: No.
PINSKY: Are you angry?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: I am angry, because --
PINSKY: OK. It is anger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Zerlina, a lot of them are just angry.
MAXWELL: Yes, absolutely.
PINSKY: But if you, you could see them in the video we just showed that they were not the profile of people you expect to be voting for Trump.
MAXWELL: Right. Right.
PINSKY: And, I want Zerlina to think about it.
MAXWELL: I think it is a visceral emotional anger. People who have been very disenchanted by politicians for the past six years. People who hate
President Obama. People who do not think --
PINSKY: But those were not people who hate Obama. They do not hate Obama. They are African-Americans. They like Obama, but they are frustrated with
the economy.
MAXWELL: Well, they just do not know where to project their anger towards, and so, Trump -- he personifies what they want right now.
AMERICA: Yes. I think for years that they were just been, exactly, as you said, disenchantized, they just do not feel like they can relate to
politicians. And, he is just like, he is talking to you like he is talking to you on the street.
MAXWELL: Yes.
AMERICA: This is it. He is wrong. He is right. And, the other thing -- let me just -- I want to say one other thing. The other day, people
thought that he said that Afghanistan was a mistake. And, he did sort of say that, and he just goes, "No, I did not. I did not say that." But he
did say that. He is so confident. He is ridiculous.
(CROSSTALK)
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: I said this yesterday, I will say it again. When he gaffes badly, and then somebody responds to it, the response always takes the form of, "I
know you are, but what am I."
MAXWELL: Right.
HUTT: Right.
PINSKY: He makes you gives you that wisdom. But, Sian-Pierre, my kids are millennials, and they -- my daughter the other day was saying to me, she
goes, "Thank God for the democratic primaries. I heard some substance there." Now, I thought is that millennials? Generally, they are attitude?
They are looking at Trump in disbelief or some getting behind him?
REGIS: Absolutely. I mean I think generally, young people are a little bit more progressive or liberal, right, which he is not? So, that is one
thing. But, also, he is a meme on social media. Donald Trump is a joke on my Twitter feeds every day. He is a joke. And, he is a joke in real life.
MCENANY: He is not a joke, no.
REGIS: I mean he is doing this for -- to me and to a lot of young people. And, I will speak for them, he is doing this for his business. He is a
brilliant marketing man. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, I do not think they are going to vote for me for president --
MCENANY: That is not true --
REGIS: And, by the way, he does not care about that black woman`s money. Let me be very clear about that. That woman, he does not even know her
struggles. Donald Trump does not know her struggles, what can he do for her?
MAXWELL: He has a complicated history with race in terms of renting to black families and also his birtherism.
REGIS: Right.
MAXWELL: I mean have we forgotten the fact that he stood in front of the cameras and asked for President Obama`s birth certificate, which is
completely disqualifying. I just do not think we should take him seriously.
MCENANY: But, you know, Donald Trump is benefiting from all of this, because here is the thing, because every time someone tries to falsely put
words in his mouth, they say that he said all Mexican immigrants are criminals, but he did not say that, by the way, you can go back and look at
the same --
HUTT: Of course, he said it.
PINSKY: No. No. He did say that.
MCENANY: He said, when Mexico sends people, that is different. Mariel boatlift, Cubans and criminals. That is not an absurd thought, but people
tried to paint him as I racist and sexist. But he benefits from that because people are tired of this politically correct culture, where you
have to say everything perfectly correct, or else you are going to offend an entire segment of society.
MAXWELL: That is not what political correctness to me. Political correctness to me is that you do not call Latinos rapist. It means you do
not say --
MCENANY: He did not do that though. He said --
MAXWELL: That you are going to deport 11 million people, including children, including women.
MCENANY: He never --
MAXWELL: He is not saying things that is acceptable and palatable. It is OK to say, "You know what? That is not OK anymore. It is not OK to be
homophobic. It is not OK to be racist." --
MCENANY: He is not --
MAXWELL: He is not OK to get sexist. That is not just political correctness.
MCENANY: He is not of those things. But here is the thing, words matter. We can generalize and say --
MAXWELL: No. Those things matter. The way he treated Megyn Kelly was completely inappropriate.
MCENANY: He said -- he never said Latinos are rapist. Words matter. He said, "When Mexico sends people, they send rapist and criminals."
MAXWELL: And, so Latinos hear that nuance?
MCENANY: That is entirely different.
MAXWELL: Latinos hear that nuance.
MCENANY: That nuance is important.
MAXWELL: No. I do not think so.
MCENANY: Words matter.
MAXWELL: I think the recipient hears those dog whistles. The nuance does not matter. And, when they do not vote for the republican, that will be
why.
PINSKY: Hold though right there. We will keep this conversation going.
Later on, road rage unleashed. We got a video of that. We are back after this.
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[21:34:27] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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TRUMP: The new poll, and the headline is, "Trump on top highest points he got so far." I mean it is number one.
(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
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TRUMP: From the beginning, I have been at the top of every poll.
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TRUMP: I am doing Saturday Night Live in two weeks, can you believe it?
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: All Trump all the time. You cannot advertise. Because people would OD on Trump. They would get sick. They would go throw up all over.
It is too much.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: My favorability has moved up to 67, which they say is like a record. I do not know why. Let us have this election immediately. We are
going to take our country back. It is going to happen.
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PINSKY: Donald Trump continues to attract supporters to the rallies and to his, you know, the voting public. They like him. But, will this bring
him, actually, to the polls? Will they actually vote for him?
Back with Eric and Jenny, Sian-Pierre, Kayleigh and Zerlina. So, as you said, Zerlina, even when he sticks his mouth in something -- even when he
does gaffe, it seems to actually help him, right?
MAXWELL: Right.
PINSKY: Let me show you something here. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Then he actually announced, and remember, he made those explosive comments about people coming across the Mexican
border saying that a lot of these people were drug dealers and rapists. Everyone said that, "Oh, that would be poison to his campaign."
Look what happened to the numbers. It jumped up higher to 12 percent. Suddenly, he was in the game. Then he made those comments about John
McCain saying he was only a war hero because he got captured. Everyone said, "That is the end of the Trump campaign." Look what happened. The
numbers jumped up again.
He made these comments about a breastfeeding woman being disgusting and all the other stuff about women out there that people said again, is going
to poison his campaign and look at these latest numbers. Now, he has jumped up to a commanding lead.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[21:40:07] PINSKY: You know, it really is hard to hold on to a lead. I mean, he has done it so seemingly effortlessly. We forget the fact that --
look at Carly Fiorina, a couple of weeks ago, she has dropped 11 points since then. And, no matter what he says, it goes up or at least does not
get care that much --
AMERICA: No such thing as bad publicity.
PINSKY: Well, I think the reality is, we have not figured out what this is yet, really, have we?
REGIS: No. I mean one thing that is really, I think, great about him, especially among young people. You need a brand to succeed. Nobody knows
what other -- what is Jeb Bush`s brand?
MCENANY: Yes.
REGIS: Like, you have no idea. Whereas when it comes to Trump, you are like, "OK. I have a general sense. He is costic. He is a race baiter,"
you know, and you can play into that. But a lot of politicians on the republican side anyway do not have a brand to stand by.
PINSKY: I think Sian-Pierre is right. There is something peculiarly modern about this whole phenomenon --
AMERICA: Yes.
PINSKY: It feels very bizarre to us.
MAXWELL: There is a celebrity aspect to it is what I see.
PINSKY: But that is part of the modern media.
MAXWELL: Yes.
PINSKY: I mean I am sure when John Kennedy captured the television audience, people are like, "Oh, that guys is just a good looking guy on
T.V. What does he know about being the president?" You know what I am saying now?
HUTT: But we are the opposite of that now, Dr. Drew. We see someone on T.V. And, we think they know everything. So, we know him from T.V.,
people are watching him. They are saying, "Oh, he has been in the living rooms for so long and on their phones, he should be president." I mean it
is absurd.
(LAUGHING)
MCENANY: And, I think there is something to be said for his simple theme, which I think many of us are wanting in this country is make "America Great
Again." There are a lot of people who are dissatisfied with this president who feel desperate, economically who look around the world and see things
just exploding everywhere, ISIS, the Middle East.
And, they see Trump saying, I will make America great again. It is the same sort of message that got Ronald Reagan in the White House. It is
morning in America. People like that optimism. They need it right now.
PINSKY: It is a very simple message. But, as it pertains, Jenny, to people in the media, on television, throwing their hat into the
presidential ring. It turns out, Lindsey Lohan is trying to jump into the ring --
HUTT: Oh thank God.
PINSKY: Here are some highlights of her wordy Instagram post. "In 2020, I may run for president. Let us do this @KanyeWest with 34 years of
experience uniting world nations." "The first thing I would like to do as U.S. President is take care of all the children suffering in the world."
Problem is, she will not be 35 in time to make her eligible to run for president. So, Dang! Dang!
REGIS: This reminds me of when P. Diddy was running that big, you know, voter campaign and he was not even registered.
AMERICA: Vote or die.
REGIS: You are like, you do not even understand the step one. Lindsey Lohan, step one, be old enough.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: But, let me say, good thing or bad thing, when people seem to want to be a part of process now. Maybe it is making some more political
awareness, political participants --
MAXWELL: Donald Trump has made it really glitzy and glamorous. So, I think that -- obviously, he does not -- he is a celebrity. He is running
this like-- it is a reality show, like it is a marketing campaign. He fully understands how the media works, and so he is reaping the benefits of
that.
PINSKY: Erica.
AMERICA: Yes. No, I was going to say, the Lindsey Lohan, I have a feeling is less about Donald Trump and more about Kanye at the VMAs saying, "I am
going to run." And, that is being the more like flashy thing about it. But, yes, it is like a cool thing to say, whether it means that more people
are going to be involved, that is yet to be seen.
PINSKY: So, what I am hearing is Erica America for 2020.
AMERICA: Right.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You have the catchy name there.
AMERICA: That is what I say, Kanye America.
PINSKY: You make Erica America great.
AMERICA: Yes.
PINSKY: Right? No?
AMERICA: Everything Kanye. Yes.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Everything, Kanye. Oh my God.
AMERCA: Kanye could be Vice President. I will be president.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: All right. Trump is hosting "Saturday Night Live" on November 7th. Have a look at the last time, he was on at 2004. See if it does not
seem a little familiar to you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Great to be here at Saturday Night Live, but I will be completely honest. It is even better for Saturday Night Live that I am here. Nobody
is bigger than me. Nobody is better than me. I am a ratings machine.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Yes, that is the guy we know. But, you got a very complicated relationship, particularly, with this manic population, on my opinion, as I
have seen it. Because, again, on our program, we have people stand up in our audience and sometimes they are people of color and sometimes they are
Hispanics, and they get behind him, vehemently behind him.
But, boy when I talk to friends that are Hispanics, they do not just not like him, they despise him. They are very mobilized emotionally by him. A
lot of it was the rhetoric around those original statements about Mexico.
MCENANY: But, there are a lot of Hispanics who respect what Donald Trump said and realized they came to this country legally, and then they want
people to do the same. And, they support Donald Trump, because they realize that we do need to have a secured border and going through the
proper channels is important. So, I think on the contrary, there are a lot of Hispanics who like what he said and like his topics.
PINSKY: No. There are -- there are, but the ones that do not like him just do not kind of not like him, they really do not like him.
MAXWELL: And, it is about the reporters --
PINSKY: Sian-Pierre, millennials and immigration, are they coming in on this or there are too much other stuff to worry about.
REGIS: You know, I mean -- I think when it comes to immigration, like young people, at least my friends are, "How do we work with these people
not just stand them up?" And, then when you see Donald Trump saying, "You know, what are you going to do about immigration?"
"Well, I went down to the Mexican border and I talked to some guy," which is what he said, at the first debate. And, you are like, "Oh, which guy?"
"Oh, just some guy at the border." You are like, "I do not trust you at all, dude."
[21:45:06] MAXWELL: Right.
REGIS: Like you do not care.
MAXWELL: Right.
PINSKY: All right, we are going to have to leave it at that. Next up, road rage taken to another level as a motorcycle and a car collide on a
Texas highway. You got to see it. Back after this.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix, where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram feeds. Sian-Pierre, what do you
have?
REGIS: OK. So, I have seen the craziest thing on my Facebook feed multiple times. It is viral video that is a little bit scary.
PINSKY: Is it a motorcycle thing?
REGIS: It is the motorcycle thing, yes.
PINSKY: Oh man.
REGIS: Now, it is a little bit weird to look at, but the victims are alive and on the mend.
PINSKY: OK.
[21:50:00] REGIS: So, no need to worry. The motorcycle that you see in the foreground has a helmet cam, and he is recording his friends. Just
driving a motorcycle. It is a man and woman on this motorcycle. That are ahead of him. And, what goes down is crazy. Watch the video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): What the (EXPLETIVE WORD) is he doing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): I got it on video. I got it on video.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): What were you doing? You hit them.
UNIDENTIFIED MAEL SPEAKER (3): I do not care.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): I got it on video too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): I do not care. Yellow stripes, you know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): You swerved and hit them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): I do not care.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKRE (1): Yes. We got it on tape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): I do not care.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): You will care.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
REGIS: Yes. So, that is the craziest thing.
PINSKY: I hope he cares. Are we getting him to care?
REGIS: So, the driver is saying, "I do not care, I do not care" in this video. Apparently, this happens a lot. He hates how the motorcycles kind
of speed on that roadway.
PINSKY: He hits motorcyclists a lot?
REGIS: He is seen that motorcyclists have driven fast on the highway a lot. So, he does not care that he hit them.
PINSKY: Oh.
REGIS: But, he was arrested on two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
PINSKY: There you go.
REGIS: The female passenger suffered a broken wrist and deep arm lacerations. The male driver, a bone deep gauge to his elbow.
PINSKY: Still, though, they are doing very lucky. All right, Erica, what do you got?
AMERICA: OK. So, I have this insane viral video, Dr. Drew, from a bullfight in Peru. So, just picture this. Tons of people around. OK?
They are getting really crazy. The crowd, so they just start to throw beer on the bull. And, the bull goes ham, which means in hip-hop terms, hard as
a mother.
PINSKY: Does he go up in the audience?
AMERICA: And, jumps the barrier --
PINSKY: Oh, no!
AMERICA: And, that is when pandemonium completely erupts. People are like jumping into the actual center, and it is all on camera. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
AMERICA (voice-over): Four people were injured. It was really scary. Yes. Imagine watching it and the bull actually comes at you. I mean that
is insane.
PINSKY (voice-over): That is crazy. So, people could be just sitting there -- well, some people taunting the bull.
AMERICA (voice-over): They were taunting it.
PINSKY (voice-over): They might have thought --
AMERICA (voice-over): It was the crowd`s fault? But, according to the reports, the bull in question is notoriously wild. And, none of the
bullfighters wanted to challenge it, even before the event began. So, it is kind of known that it is like a little bit of a frisky bull.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Frisky?
(LAUGHING)
AMERICA: Frisky.
PINSKY: Jenny, what do you got?
HUTT: Well, not so frisky, Pat Robertson is back with some more wisdom. A grandfather emailed him, asking him about his -- his -- I think his
grandson`s -- his grandson is gay and was not permitted to come to a family dinner with his partner. And, he was asking Pat Robertson, "Was this the
right decision to not allow the partner to be at the dinner table?"
PINSKY: So, the grandfather was asking this about the grandson.
HUTT: Yes. Right. He does not want him at the table with his partner.
PINSKY: Got it. Got it.
HUTT: He does not believe that gay is OK.
PINSKY: OK.
HUTT: And, so, Pat Robertson of course had a lot to say on this.
PINSKY: Let us see it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PAT ROBERTSON, HOST OF 700 CLUB: I just believe that you are taking the right stand; otherwise, you become an enabler. It is outrageous that he
would do that, but that is what is happening. Let us push the envelope, push people to see how far they will bend.
And, what you are doing is exactly right, saying "No, I am not going to let it happen. OK?" I mean, what if, you know, your son is dating a stripper
and he wants to bring her home for thanksgiving dinner. And, the family says, "No, we do not want her in our house." The chances are, there is a
real good chance that he might come out of that so-called lifestyle.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Oh, everyone --
HUTT: He is going to come out of that lifestyle, Dr. Drew.
REGIS: Stripper, gay.
AMERICA: Right.
PINSKY: I just like the fact that gay is just a phase. It is going to come out of it.
HUTT: Yes.
PINSKY: Listen.
HUTT: Just playing.
PINSKY: I am wrong that Jesus welcomed sinners? Was not that his thing? You brought in the strippers and the prostitutes and whomever and you
welcome them at the table.
REGIS: These religious people do not know anymore. They are just hating, that is it.
HUTT: Yes.
PINSKY: Just hating. All right, next up, the Duggars are back on T.V. Not all of them. I will tell you about it after the break.
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[21:54:16] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Well, Josh Duggar has publicly confessed that he had molested five underage girls including his own sisters when he was a teenager. TLC
eventually pulled the plug on the family`s television show, "19 Kids and Counting."
But, now the network will air a quote, "Special series" featuring the sisters, the very one he had abused, and that, I guess, is going to
chronicle some of the aftermath of that abuse. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JESSA DUGGAR, SEXUALLY MOLESTED BY HIS BROTHER JOSH: We were devastated. Like, we could not believe it. You have to wonder, like, how did this
happen?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JILL DUGGAR, SEXUALLY MOLESTED BY HIS BROTHER JOSH: You are angry and hurt and like all of those emotions all mixed together. I cry a lot of tears.
I still do. I know I am hurting.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JILL: We will come out of this fire stronger as a family unit.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: "Jill and Jessa Counting On" premiers in December. We are going to be stronger, not without a lot of treatment, I am going to tell you
that. Because they are in massive denial. They are indentifying with the perpetrator.
AMERICA: it is Stockholm Syndrome.
PINSKY: It is the Stockholm Syndrome. It is very similar to that. But, you love the parents, right, Jenny?
HUTT: Oh God! I think this family is a mess. And, I used to watch it. I did watch the show.
PINSKY: What? Yikes.
HUTT: But it is really -- to me there is an element of sickness or many elements of sickness from the abuse to how the parents chose to live their
lives. And, the wife recently spoke out, Michelle Duggar said that, "It is a wife`s duty to have sex with her husband, always." Like no matter what.
She could be vomiting and then sex available.
PINSKY: She is not so bad after all.
HUTT: Sex ready.
(LAUGHING)
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all for watching. Guys, thank you. Great job and we will see you next time.
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