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Woman Caught On Camera Hitting A 3-Year-Old In The Face With An iPad; Some New Moms And Dads Are Drinking And Eating Their Own Afterbirth; Men Have Multiple Sequential Orgasms. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired October 22, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:07] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a woman appears to hit a baby on the head with an iPad. She is unaware that a witness is
recording the whole thing.
Plus, how about a placenta smoothie, everyone? That is right. Some new moms and dads are drinking and eating their own afterbirth.
(MUSIC INTRODUCTION)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Let us get started. Let us get started with the "Top of the Feed." What you cannot stop talking about on Twitter and Facebook. This
woman caught on camera hitting a 3-year-old in the face with an iPad. Have a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: (Crying)
YVONNE CAMARGO, 39-YEAR-OLD VICTORVILLE MOTHER: Here. Shut up.
EDWARD: Hey, why are you hitting that kid like that? Hey!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Did you know that it was caught on video along with your license plate?
EDWARD: Why are you hitting that little baby?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): Why are you hitting him like that? You can go to jail for that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): Hitting a kid that cannot protect themselves. What if someone grabbed you by your hair and (EXPLETIVE WORD)
threw you around you ugly (EXPLETIVE WORD).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: That woman is 39-year-old Yvonne Camargo. Police make contact later that same night. She has not been charged. We are not sure
if that is the mother or a babysitter.
Joining us, Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, Professor at Pepperdine University. Mike Catherwood, my co-host on "Love Line" and Vanessa
Barnett, Hiphollywood.com. Welcome them, please. And, Mike, we also do a radio show on KABC. Forgot to mention that, as well.
MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST ON "LOVE LINE": Of course. Yes.
PINSKY: We just finished. And, Vanessa, I am going to start with you and ask, was that woman abusing that child?
VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: OK. You cannot ever justify hitting a 3-year-old in the face with an iPad. I will start there, but I
do not know if I will go as far to say it is abuse. And, I --
PINSKY: What are we going to call it?
BARNETT: it is unjustified. It is excessive. I do not know if this woman should necessarily be behind bars. And, I will say because I watched
the video several times. I do not think it was a hard hit. It was an unnecessary hit. And, I am not defending this woman but I -- I got
spankings growing up.
And, I have never been hit in the face with an iPad. I do not think you should ever hit a child in the face with an iPad. I do not feel like
this is the type of woman that bashed this iPad on this child`s head. I think she went too far. She was frustrated, but I think --
PINSKY: I am speechless, Judy. I do not know. Where do you draw the line if that is not abuse? You are allowed to tap them on the face with
your iPad?
JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right.
CATHERWOOD: iPad mini.
PINSKY: iPad mini? Mini is OK?
CATHERWOOSE: iPad mini.
HO: Right.
CATHERWOOD: No one really cares.
HO: No. There are clear guidelines for what spanking actually is. It is on the bottom. And, it is in a certain way with open fist.
PINSKY: Open hand -- Open fist?
HO: Right. Open fist? Open hand.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: But it is not with intent to harm. It is not with intent to leave marks.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: I mean -- But Mike, my question is that bystanders, did they do the right thing filming this?
CATHERWOOD: Well, I think that the idea behind what they were doing is great, because if you can expose something that is wrong morally,
ethically, whatever you think, it is subjective. But, if you are going to expose something that is going down that is going down the wrong, it is a
good thing.
I think the way they went about it, maybe her language. You do not need to get to the point where you are also insulting the lady. It is
like, "Hey! We are bringing awareness to the fact that you just struck a child.
PINSKY: Well -- well. No, listen. The couple that shot that video also posted this following post, which said this lady was pulling the kid
by the hair out of the Kohl`s store. So, they decided to make a movie of her dumb ass. Watch now as she smacks the kid with the tablet. So, they
have already seen her abusing the kid.
CATHERWOOD: Right. Listen, I do not think that I am going to pooh- pooh your argument, but that it is not necessarily abuse. I just think that the idea of striking another person, regardless if it is a 3-year-old
or a grown man, you know, it is a very serious thing. I mean, it is kind of like an instinctive human impulse to defend yourself or like to act out
on that way but it is a primitive one.
BARNETT: No.
CATHERWOOD: I think like -- maybe like exposure to too many violent movies and things like that.
PINSKY: Vanessa, stop it. Wait a minute.
CATHERWOOD: The idea of like truly striking someone, whether it is hard or not, even hitting a dog, what you are conveying, the message you
are conveying by striking something else is a purely violent one.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Well, listen, I am glad you brought up the animal. If this were an animal, Vanessa, people would be crying abuse from here to kingdom
come.
BARNETT: And, that is our problem, people go crazy over their animals.
PINSKY: But, hold on a second! In what world does hitting the animal change the behavior in a positive way? Which you get is a cowering animal
that bites. That put you end up with.
BARNETT: No. I believe --
PINSKY: And, guess what? You have it with the same kind of human.
BARNETT: No, absolutely not. I have gotten spankings. I have seen children get spankings. Spare the lives --
PINSKY: Well, she have to stay away for good.
BARNETT: -- for the child. I do not think it is wrong to spank a child on their thigh, on their bottom. No, you do not hit them in the face
with an iPad. But, I do not think a spanking is wrong and we have seen many people that have grown up with spanking. Me, included and I think I
turned out fine.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[21:05:03] PINSKY: We can debate that.
HO: Oh, no --
PINSKY: But, that is another topic.
(LAUGHING)
HO: And, here is another problem, Dr. Drew. This is another problem with technology, right? Just another great weapon now for your children.
But, when we are talking about decision making, Mike made a really good point. They are not in their right minds when they are angry, they are
frustrated. I mean your brain. Pick up the brain.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: Right? They are not using their frontal lobes anymore.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINEKY: Right. You are using -- when you hit somebody -- why are you smiling like that?
CATHERWOOD: You got to focus on using your frontal lobes. I have been saying that my whole life.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Well, but when you are acting out of aggression that is not thoughtful, that is not sort of evolved, you are using this part of the
brain down in here as opposed to the prefrontal cortex up here, which is something that evolves very, very late, where people are deliberative and
consider the consequence as opposed to, "I am angry. I need you to stop, and I need to feel better." Remember how we got so angry with that girl
that murdered her boyfriend because seeing him die made her feel bad? This is not a lot different than that.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
BARNETT: Oh --
PINSKY: It is not.
BARNETT: OK. I will let you finish.
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: Listen. I think that -- You are a parent and you have young children. I have a 1-year-old and so -- I think that it is naive to
say like you do not feel those -- where you are just so frustrated and confused on what to do, how to behave when your child is misbehaving or is
going to go nuts.
But, like think of it like you have a problem -- It is like trying to put gasoline on a wound to help it feel better. You know what I am saying?
It is your impulse reaction to resort to violence and it is not in the long run going to make you think any better.
PINSKY: Mike. Mike. Wait, wait, wait. I got an idea for Mike. Mike, you are from Mexican descent.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. I am.
PINSKY: Hispanic descent. And, there is tons of glorious solutions in the Mexican mythology.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: The OHO.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. No. My grandma would think that it is a great idea to deal with, you know, broken leg with mango puree and sea salt. It does
not necessarily mean -- and she may have been doing it for generations, like that is never really an excuse or a valid argument to say something is
good --
PINSKY: We heard -- wait, wait -- but we heard all these myths about how you can make a child stop crying by --
CATHERWOOD: Rubbing an egg on its belly.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Yes. It is weird stuff. Weird stuff.
BARNETT: Like we did. We have done crazy thing, too. You put some Tussin on it, and it will feel better. You put some Vicks vapor rub and it
will cure everything -- No, not everything. It works, but I bet if you mouth off to my mama and she pops you in your mouth, you will not do it
again.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You will not do it again. You will not do it again, but it has consequences, Judy, in other areas of behavior and other capacities for
which will affect regulation, which is a mature adult -- help me with this, Judy.
HO: That is right.
CATHERWOOD: I mean, I hate to interrupt, but I am speaking -- I hit - -sometimes when my DirecTV does not come through -- like if it is wavy -- I am serious. I will hit it and it will work. It will work, but I guarantee
you that is not the right way to solve the DirecTV problem.
PINSKY: And, it will not continue to work for a long time.
CATHERWOOD: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
PINSKY: But, it does have -- that is right. It has consequences down the line. If people do not understand those consequences.
HO: Right. And, some of those consequences are not even that far down the line.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: Dr. Drew, they start to show behavioral problems in school pretty early on. They tend to use aggression more themselves to solve problems.
And as adults, they tend to have more disciplinary consequences. Sometimes they do get involved with the law themselves. I mean we can go very far
with from this.
Vanessa probably did turn out OK because as far as I know, she does not have a criminal record. But, there are probably some other things in
there, you know? Just the fact that it is generational that when you are somehow physically disciplined yourself, you are more likely to use it
yourself on your own children later. And, it is not always justified.
PINSKY: Well, we will get into what is spanking and what is something a little more too. We can debate that. And, that is actually a legitimate
thing to think about and we will do so after this.
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[21:11:58] (TODDLER CRYING)
CAMARGO: Stop screaming at me. Get in the car. Here! Shut up.
EDWARD: Hey! Why are you hitting that kid like that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: We have your license plate number.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: We are talking about that woman caught on camera hitting a 3- year-old in the face with an iPad. Back with Judy, Mike, Vanessa. Mike, now, there are people online saying, believe it or not -- I get speechless
when I hear this. But, saying that it is not abuse what that woman did.
CATHERWOOD: Right. And, Drew, we have talked about this for other topics as well, ad nauseam. And that just because something has gone on
for a long time is not really a valid argument for its necessity, you know? --
PINSKY: Continuity. Continuing it.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. And, I mean a lot of things went on for very long time. Slavery, and you know, the consideration of ownership of women.
And, it is like, "Well, we kind of grow out of that." And, I am not speaking as if this is not tantamount to slavery but a lot of families feel
like it is an appropriate thing to do, spank your children.
PINSKY: Here is a thing. There is a correlation with physical aggression, physical discipline and behavioral problems and criminality,
emotional problems and drug abuse. It correlates almost directly.
But, Vanessa, to your point, what is spanking? You know, probably did not do anything. You are probably right. But if you are causing a
physical reaction to the child, if they feel helpless, if they feel endangered, you have crossed over.
BARNETT: Look. Scarring, marks, blood, concussion --
PINSKY: You have crossed way over, way over!
HO: Way over.
BARNETT: All are abuse. But, a pop pop here, no. It is not an abuse.
PINSKY: All right. Well, let us get more into it with our audience. What do you got for us?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Hi. I kind of agree with her in a level of spanking, because I grew up in the generation of spanking. I was
spanked and I do not agree with what that mother did, especially at that age.
PINSKY: OK. So, hitting -- what age do you spank then?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Well, I think at a level that they can understand and I think explaining why you are doing it. I have seen kids
throw major tantrums. I know I probably got a spanking and I deserved it. And, it was on the butt. And, it was once and it was not with a weapon or
you know?
PINSKY: OK. OK. So, we can at least all agree that grabbing an object is potentially problematic? Vanessa.
BARNETT: Potentially, yes.
PINSKY: OK. And hitting with intent to cause real pain, we are trying to catch their attention, right? But, then see how people sort of
generalize that? Well, let us just -- well, I am just trying to get his attention, iPad in the face now. That is not crossing the line you agree
with that, though, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes, I absolutely agree, I think. But, I think a hands on the butt and letting your child know why when you have
given them warnings and you do it in a calm way and your energy --
PINSKY: OK. OK. That is another issue, which is that the calm way.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: If a child feels that aggression coming at them, not so good.
HO: Right. How are you going to really make sure every time is calm, though? Right, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: And, here is my problem with spanking at all. I would say not do it, because of the fact that there are so many other more developed ways
for us to discipline our children and teach them lessons.
[21:15:00] PINSKY: And, that Vanessa is the point. Hang on, do not applause. The point is that if it really worked or if there were not
better ways, why would not people like Judy recommend it? We would recommend it. We got somebody against it?
BARNETT: I could understand, but I can guarantee you there are some serial killers out there that got time-out that should have got a pop on
the butt. I can guarantee you.
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APLAUDING)
PINSKY: All right. Let us go back to our audience. You have a question or comment. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Do you think it is OK to spank someone else`s child.
BARNETT: Oh, hell no. You do not touch mine.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: OK. We are all in agreement with that, Mike.
CATHERWOOD: That sets a very strange precedent then.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: I mean, so you are saying that it is OK to do something to your own child, but it is so vastly inappropriate to even consider doing
it to someone else`s? It does not really make any sense. That would be like Dr. Drew saying, "I would never prescribe this to you, a patient,
because it is far too dangerous, but I will take it to myself."
PINSKY: Or give it to my kids. Fine.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean that does not really make much sense.
PINSKY: Another question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Hi. I am a mom of three and a granny of two. And, I would never ever spank any of them. I have never spanked. I
did not need to. But, does not that the just teach them to want to hit other kids?
PINSKY: To be aggressive. Yes, that is what Judy was saying.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Right.
PINSKY: That it models aggression. It says aggression is how you solve problems. Aggression is what you do if somebody upsets you. It does
not do what you asked them to do. You used your hands.
HO: Right. And, there is a whole number of other things that happen when you get aggressive.
PINSKY: Yes. We are talking about how you are not using the contemplative part. You are using the aggressive part. But here is what
happens. It is really awful is that the kid`s frontal lobe does not develop normally.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: And, the integration, the wiring between the reasoning of the brain gets halted, and literally sometimes even breaks down if the
aggression -- if the physical abuse is sufficient.
And, that is how people end up with drug addiction because they cannot regulate and they go into the world really out of control with feelings
that are too intense, too prolonged, too negative and they try to solve that by taking a substance. What is your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: So, when you do get to the point as a mom and you have these children and you are getting impatient, you are
tired, you are cranky and all this stuff, what do you recommend doing to kind of dial back that own anger that you are feeling and taking out on
your child? Like how do you dial back on the anger?
PINSKY: Vanessa just hits.
BARNETT: No, I do not. I walk away. Like I am a mother of an almost 2-year-old. And, there are times when you are extremely overwhelmed. But,
I can feel that in myself. And, I feel like I am very unsure of myself and I walk away. I say to my husband, can you handle this? I may -- you know,
there are other ways I would not pop my 2-year-old. But, a 7-year-old sometimes needs a pop. And, it is just --
PINSKY: A pop?
BARNETT: A little --
(LAUGHING)
HO: Why do you need a pop when you can communicate with them verbally at that age? They can understand consequences --
BARNETT: Because --
HO: They can understand what you are telling them.
BARNETT: It does not work for some children. I was a child if you took things away from me, I responded better and I acted accordingly.
PINSKY: Good.
BARNETT: My brother was a child that needed a spanking and would respond accurately as he was supposed to.
PINSKY: Mike, how about the guy that took the film? Did he do something right in doing that?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. I think so. I mean I really do. It is a really murky territory, especially now, so many controversies are started by
someone taking their cell phone out and filming people. But if you are watching, you know, even people who are proponents for spanking, I think
that we can all agree. Like it is not Ok to smack a 3-year-old because a 3-year-old is brain is like Jell-o. They do not know what is going on.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, all they know is like I just got hit in the face with an iPad.
PINSKY: That is right.
CATHERWOOD: I mean it is like a rush from zero.
PINSKY: All right. So, let me finish some of my thoughts and I think we are all kind of saying the same thing, which is first of all, picking up
an object, you have crossed the line. That is an easy thing to see.
And, whenever I am working with patients. And, I have to -- When I deal with that, I asked them if they were physically abused. And, they
always say, no. And, I go, "Were you ever hit? No. No. They go, "Well, I guess I was disciplined.
Well, OK. "Did anybody ever hit you with an object?" "Well, sure, like anybody. A baseball bat, whatever." You will be shocked how often
that happens. People dismiss and disconnect from traumatic experiences and they incorporate it into their philosophy and their culture and say, "Hey,
it is what I need. Look how great I am now. The heroin is a little problem but otherwise I am great."
Literally, that is how people think. I am not accusing you of that, Vanessa. But, that is what happens. That is what happens. Now, that is
an extreme example. And, I am not saying that spanking per se is wrong. Except to say that in every study that is been done, the more you spank,
the more the correlation with adverse outcome.
So, why do that especially we have all these alternatives that do not have the correlation. If you do not do them right, well, then maybe you
should do spanking but not too much. Back after this.
(LAUGHING)
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[21:23:20] (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Time now for a segment we call sexting, your chance to ask me and my panel all the sex and relationship questions you might have. You
can talk to us on Facebook, Twitter, right here in our studio audience. I am back with Judy, Vanessa, Mike. And, we are going to start with Dawn on
Twitter. All right. Here it is. "When a man reaches climax quickly, does that mean he cares less about the woman?"
CATHERWOOD: What?
(LAUGHTER)
PINSKY: Mike, that must mean, "You do not care about any women ever."
CATHERWOOD: I must hate all women ever. Yes, I do. I have had four orgasms during the show.
(LAUGHING)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: In fact -- in fact, usually means a man if anything, cares more.
CATHERWOOD: Yes, I mean. Look, there is one of two things in play or a combination of the two. And, that is a guy is really turn on by you or
he has, you know, real medical premature ejaculation or like probably both.
PINSKY: Both. Some guys clocks are just a little quick. Some guys clocks are a little prolonged. And, if your tendency is to go fast and you
are into your partner, well, then that is going to be that. It is going to be hard for him to be otherwise. What is up? You have something to say?
CATHEWOOD: Well, no -- Yes. I was going to say. I mean a lot of women, if they --
PINSKY: By the way, look at those two listening to you. They are like, "Tell me more. What is going on? How did this work?"
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: But, I would say by the way she worded the question it is almost perplexing that I am thinking that maybe this guy, like purposely
does it quickly and then --
PINSKY: Go and gets out of there.
CATHERWOOD: -- is like, "OK, I am going to watch the Bulls game.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes. Yes. It could be. Let us go to the audience. What do you got for us? Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Hi. I just had the thought that technology was really dating, websites like Tinder and all those stuff, all
of a sudden every guy thinks you just want to hook up.
[21:25: 02] PINSKY: You know, by the way, we need to do an entire show about that.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: Because, really, that is a huge question.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: I mean women are putting up with unbelievable stuff on Tinder.
CATHERWOOD: I will tell you, when I am on Grinder, it is like -- I mean (LAUGHING) never mind. Never mind. I am sorry, ladies. Go ahead.
BARNETT: My friends have horror stories. But, it is not so much that is ruining dating. It is like completely taking out the dating. They get
penis pics all the time. Like that is all they are integrated with --
PINSKY: And, guys think you like that.
BARNETT: Yes. They think and then it is like, "I do not want to take you out. Let me just come over and we will chill." We all know what that
means.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Yes. And, let me just a couple sort of pearls from the clinical world right now. Porn addiction is way off the chart right now.
It is very high. Now, the other thing we are seeing is we sort of see sexual dysfunction in young males, like young males that should not be
having difficulty with erectile dysfunction.
They are so depleted from the arousal of the pornography that they are having trouble functioning. Judy says, yes. Lauren on Facebook says, "Do
you believe once a cheater always a cheater? My boyfriend cheated on his last girlfriend. Am I naive to trust him?"
That is a complicated question. There is such thing that are guys that are just cheaters. Some somebody is using drugs and alcohol, you have
to worry they are going to cheat. What do you say, Mike?
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Definitely. And, also, that is such a complicated question for a lot of reasons.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: This is way out of my pay grade. This is for you and Judy. But, some people are -- they have clinical problems where they do
not understand other people is feelings.
PINSKY: Right.
CATHERWOOD: And, they do not even look at it as cheating.
PINSKY: Right.
CATHERWOOD: It is like they metabolized their opportunities.
PINSKY: Some guys are sociopath. Some guys are just 22.
CATHERWOOD: But, I was just saying -- yes. With guys, you may have cheated on girlfriend "A" when you are 22.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: By the time you are 30, you are a whole different person.
PINSKY: That is right.
CATHERWOOD: You are completely different person. It does, you know, relate necessarily.
PINSKY: Did you have experiences with guys in college that now they are good.
BARNETT: I also was a cheater. I used to cheat on guys all the time. My mom would tell me -- No, I am not bragging. I am not bragging. But, I
am just saying when I was younger I did not value the other person`s feelings as much as my own.
PINSKY: I told my wife, I said, "You know," we were sort of talking about how we had to -- the stuff we had to go through in the early part of
our relationship. I said, "You know, people in their 20s, we just treat each other like crap in our 20s. That is what men and women do when they
are 20`s. They do not treat each other well."
CATHEWOOD: But, I think that going through that process with a lot of the technology, getting back to the last question, it kind of -- you forgo
a lot of that where you interact with other people rage.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, you treat each other poorly. That kind of gives you knowledge to build upon, so that later in life you become a little bit more
adept at like dealing in social situations.
PINSKY: Yes. You are right. Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, I think if you can just like swipe right and a girl comes over to your house, it really kind of screws up your whole
understanding of that dance routine.
PINSKY: You are never going to learn much. Back to the audience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hi. Yes, I have a question about a -- well, I have a girlfriend of two years now.
CATHERWOOD: Nice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: She is a little more reserved and conservative. I want to try new things in bed, but I do not know how to
break it to her, you know, without freaking her out.
CATHERWOOD: I hear you, brother. I hear you, brother.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Try to get rid of that inappropriate smile when you ask her those questions. That is all I am saying.
BARNETT: Be less creepy.
PINSKY: Yes. Just a little bit cooler about it. But, so, how do you bring these sorts things up, Judy?
(LAUGHING)
HO: Well, you know, I think you are saying that your girlfriend is a little more conservative. But, how much have you actually openly discussed
this with her? How much are you actually going to her without the creepy grin that you are having here and actually proposing it seriously and
asking her what she wants. It does not matter if you do not seem as adventurous, but if you have that give and take with her and you ask her,
"or there is something you can do for me." Yes.
PINSKY: Have you ever gone an -- ask her an open-ended question like, "Is this stuff you want to do?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We talk about it sometimes but then she just kind of giggles it off or just --
PINSKY: Oh, yes.
BARNETT: This girl sounds like she might be a freak.
(LAUGHING)
HO: Yes. She is giggling.
BARNETT: It is kind of crazy a bit.
PINSKY: Vanessa knows freaks, let me tell you.
(LAUGHING)
HO: She is giggly because she is like, "I know something you do not know."
BARNETT: Yes.
PINSKY: But, Mike, back me up on this.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: She maybe sort of giving him a little hint, expecting him to carry through.
CATHERWOOD: Well, it is hard as a young man, because you can only think through the prism of a man brain.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: We are like, "Well, it is something in sex that will make you get sexually aroused, why not try it?" And, that is the way you think
when you have a penis because everything is so easy when you have a penis.
But, because, like biologically, psychologically, the whole thing with a woman is very complicated, you got to build off of vagina. That is all
what I would like to say.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: That is your policy for living.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. The nucleus of what you do in the bedroom has to always -- the nucleus is the vag and then you build around that. So, you
figure out what pleases her. Seriously, you got to figure out and be in tune with her and figure out how you can have the female orgasm.
Then from there, then you build off. You got to start there. Because once a woman can consistently achieve orgasm you could be surprised how big
your margin gets by what you can pull off. You know?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Thank you. Thank you.
PINSKY: What do you think of Mike so far? You were applauding pretty aggressively there with that last comment. What do you think?
[21:30:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He is correct.
PINSKY: He is correct. You are all right, otherwise, he is not offending you or anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Not at all.
PINSKY: OK. Rhoda, everybody, our stage manager.
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: Thanks, Rhoda.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: All right. Dan on Facebook. His wife, he says, "My wife has a high-powered job with all male co-workers. When she comes home, she
picks fights and tries to boss around. How can I get her to stop competing when she has left the office?" Well, that is a hard one. Because we want
to evaluate what is really going on in that relationship. He may be blaming it on the work environment but it may not be that.
HO: It may not be that.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: It is such to be her default personality. It might be a conflict they have had in their relationship for a long time. He wants to find an
externalizing outside problem to explain it, but maybe they need to look internally and look at the relationship.
PINSKY: I think that is it -- almost --
CATHERWOOD: Yes. Nothing is more appealing than when you deal with any type of conflict by stepping your own game up.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: You know, like he is looking at it externally like, "Oh, she is around hot dudes that are high and powerful, how can I compensate
for that and get to the core of what she needs to do." How about just make yourself more powerful and sweet.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: And, then you honestly none of that will apply.
PINSKY: Or you can changes yourself. One last quick question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Hi, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Hi, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: So, we hear a lot about the sex lives of celebrities, teen moms and every day people on your shows. So, now, I am
curious. Do you or anybody on your panel have some crazy sex stories or fetishes?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Do we have time to answer that question?
HO: Vanessa.
PINSKY: Vanessa is on this panel. It can take a little while. Come on now -- hang on, do I actually have time to get into this or should we
take -- all right, we are going to keep going.
BARNETT: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Can I talk about the time, you and I were in a Bissau with all the Molly and the poppers.
PINSKY: But, she wants to know what happens at home, though.
BARNETT: I think -- we are both married and we have kids. I think when you are married with kids you have to be spontaneous. And, sometimes
where you do it, how fast you do it, on top of what apparatus you do it on. It could be very exciting of no apparatus?
CATHERWOOD: No. You said how fast you do it. I am like, I can relate to that. Yeah.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: And, mike, you have a little baby at home. So, it is --
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: You have to -- it is a whole different thing. The biology changes after pregnancy. You have to be the dad for a while, right?
CATHERWOOD: Well, and it is also really weird when you get married and you are in a marriage where like you have a healthy sex life, because
it is almost like the male brain does not understand it.
(LAUGHING)
It is like -- I was a little boy. I remember I would go to Chuck E. Cheese`s or like arcades and you put a quarter in to play a game. And, it
was always such a problem because you had to figure how to get quarters because you are a little kid, you did not have any money.
And, then I went to this one kid, like his dad was super bowling and he rented out a bunch of Arcadians. And, you could just play as much as
you want without putting any quarters and I almost could not take it. Like my brain did not get it.
I was like, "This is too good to be true." And, like having a committed relationship where you can just have sex all the time, like
sometimes I still do not like wrap my head around it. I was like, "Wait, I can just -- like we can bang whenever?" Like, "It is OK and it is
healthy?"
PINSKY: As it pertains to that, note that to your questions. No fetishes but the empty nest thing is "BS." It is like the guy buying out
the arcade. We have the house to ourselves. It is good times. Once more to the audience. Here we go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hello. I have kind of a problem. My ex just dumped me. And, I do not think it is my problem. I think she just
could not hang with me, because I could have multiple orgasms. So, she thinks -- Thank you. She thinks I need to get checked out. She thinks it
is a medical condition. And, I am like, "I do not think it is. I think it is awesome for you."
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You have sequential orgasms.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes. Like "Aah!" And I just keep going. Aah!
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: No. No. Oh, my gosh. What show are we on here?
(LAUGHING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: That is the thing. She has them and she has to take a break, but I am still going.
PINSKY: OK. So, it is not -- women have multiple orgasms. They have no refractive period. Men have multiple sequential orgasms. OK. Let us
go to break. We will be right back.
(LAUGHING)
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A trend for thousands of new moms cost a woman her business. Baby nurse Kathryn Beale makes placenta shakes and
pills for women to eat. She and other placenta advocates say, "A dried powder version was used in Europe centuries ago. But, health authorities
have shut Beale down saying her current day products pose a potential risk.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Oh, my God. This is time for "What the?" Unbelievable stories dominating your conversation at the office, at home and on the
internet. Back with Mike, Judy and Vanessa. Placenta consumption. Can afterbirth weenies -- I think we are seeing there, the sausages. Can
afterbirth of any type really help with postpartum medical issues? Mike, come on now.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: Come on.
CATHERWOOD: I -- my wife and, we ate her placenta.
PINSKY: You partook?
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: But, I think when people hear eat placenta, it is become sort of a whole procedure, right? They do a bunch to the placenta.
CATHERWOOD: Well --
PINSKY: They collect it.
CATHERWOOD: Yes.
PINSKY: Then they steam it, then they dehydrate it. Then they ground it into pills.
CATHERWOOD: Not ours. No, no.
PINSKY: I mean combine it with juices, then they make a smoothie out of it.
CATHERWOOD: They can make a pitcher or they can make like beef jerky. But, we just got it -- they clean it and then we got it like that. Like it
was slab of a beef. I would make smoothies for my wife every morning.
PINSKY: Out of the beef?
CATHERWOOD: Yes. And, I would mask the flavor with like, you know, maple syrup and fruits and things like that. And, she just drank it down.
And, one time, I tried -- I was like a half dude. This was my only time I can ever pull off cannibalism. So, I like fried it up and stuff and I ate
it.
PINSKY: No?
HO: No.
PINSKY: Yes. I am with you.
[21:40:00] HO: No. Yes -- I mean there is no clinical research that supports this in that it is benefiting the mother or the father in any way.
PINSKY: Right. Right. All kinds of claims, claims postpartum depression is down. Claims that breast milk is enhanced.
HO: Right. Better energy for the mother.
PINSKY: I mean just because a dog eats its placenta after it has given birth, it also eats its poop.
HO: That is right. Yes. Mammals eat a lot of things that we do not eat. So, just as mammals eat placenta does not mean we should also eat
placenta.
CATHERWOOD: My wife was way into it and --
PINSKY: The pill or the placenta.
CATHERWOOD: The Placenta -- My wife is into the idea of that this was going to have some healing properties and therapeutic properties. And, so
I was not going to argue with her.
PINSKY: All right, well, she is a hippie, we know that. Am I wrong?
(LAUGHING)
CATHERWOOD: My wife is a hippie.
BARNETT: I am here for this. It is mine. Why cannot I have it?
PINSKY: Did you do it?
BARNETT: I really, really want to, but my husband was against it. He was like it is too expensive. It is pretty expensive.
PINSKY: Talk to Mike. He has all kinds of recipes.
BARNETT: Yes. Look --
PINSKY: You can hang it on strip outside your house and try it with the --
BARNETT: And I will definitely do that. It is mine.
CATHERWOOD: I made placenta Carne Asada Tacos. It was fantastic.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: All right. Let us go to the audience. What do you got for us?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: This is a question for everyone. Is there any scientific research that is coming out or is anyone trying to
study whether this has an actual effect on people`s hormone regulation?"
PINSKY: Well, people are studying it. I do not know of any large- scale good studies. There has to be something under way. Because there is a lot of this being done. Fortunately, there seems to be certainly no harm
from this. Right? No harm. So, that is the good news.
But, apparently January Jones, Alicia Silverstone, they have all said, "Oh, yes! Placenta, I am in." They also, of course, will not take
vaccines, whatever. I do not know that about those two. But, I mean people is thinking about biology is primitive and bizarre.
HO: That is right. And, most of the studies are anecdotal so far. And, there is like --
PINSKY: Is that pizza we are looking at? What is that?
HO: Yes. Oh, God! I cannot even concentrate right now. I know. But, yes, it is anecdotal so far. So, they have not really separated out
what the benefits are from. And, so the placebo effect is very, very strong.
PINSKY: Yes.
HO: So, people do say they feel better, but we just do not know what from.
PINSKY: Please, everybody, the placebo, really, it is not something that we are saying -- I am not diminishing placebo. It is an extremely
powerful phenomenon. And, that may be all we are seeing here.
So, until it is studied against something that is not containing placenta, we do not know what is going on. Back after this.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[21:46:27] PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix" where this panel tells me what is happening on their Facebook, Twitter and Instagram feeds. We are
still -- of course Judy, Mike, Vanessa. And, we are starting with Vanessa. What is up, Vanessa.
BARNETT: All right. So, I am on Facebook and I see guaranteed orgasm. I stop, obviously, because everybody wants one of those. And, it
is actually birth control for women that they say 100 percent will make -- will give you an orgasm and so it is called Vawow. I have some stats here
--
PINSKY: What is it called? I got to look his up?
BARNETT: Vawow!
CATHERWOOD: Vawow?
BARNETT: Well, what else would you call it?
PINSKY: Wait, spell it. Spell it.
BARNETT: It is V-A- WOW!
PINSKY: Vawow!
BARNETT: Like -- yes, like orgasm, wow.
PINSKIY: Like vavoom. Like vavoom.
CATHERWOOD: V-A- WOW?
BARNETT: V-A-WOW.
PINSKY: OK.
BARNETT: And, after the first use, 70 percent got their orgasm. Second use, 84 percent got their orgasm. After the fourth use, 100 percent
of women got their orgasm. What it is, it is like a condom with a ring on the outside. It jiggles and ventilates.
PINSKY: I want to phone down.
(LAUGHING)
BARNETT: You wanted something better?
PINSKY: You say a birth control. I mean I thought it was something you ingest or something.
BARNETT: No. You put it in.
PINSKY: OK. So, it is like a female condemn with a vibrating ring. Got it.
BARNETT: Judy?
HO: We, I founded this really interesting blog. This dad named Steven who has a 2-year-old son, wrote a blog celebrating his wife. And,
in the blog he actually talks also about the fact that she is worth a lot of money as a stay-at-home mom. He actually calculates, breakdown he
cause. She says that she would earn at least $74,000 when you think about child care, running groceries, errands and bookkeeping. And, at the end of
the blog he says, "I cannot afford you, baby. You are worth more to me than rubies." Thank you.
PINSKY: There it is. There is the breakdown.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: Absolutely. I have said that forever. And, unfortunately, women are not able to own that.
HO: Yes.
PINSKY: You know, what I mean? It is really -- It makes me sad because it is actually more in the priceless zone. Having your mom there
for your kids, having her there for me when I need her. It is -- come on now.
HO: Right.
PINSKY: Women need to embrace that.
CATHERWOOD: I also think that there is an idea that men do not recognize that. I think it is far greater other women do not recognize
that.
PINSKY: Yes.
CATHERWOOD: Because once you have a child with a woman, it pretty much switches. The whole outlook on what women do as mothers, it really
does switch around.
PINSKY: Absolutely. Later on they want to be back in the world again. We have to be able to do that because that is another way you got a
sense of meaning in life about yourself. What is up, Mike.
CATHERWOOD: Speaking of women back in the world, Dr. Drew. I have a very interesting study about divorce. Everybody in this country seems to
be getting divorced. And, I founded this study that shows that, "Women who have been divorced once or men who have been divorced at least twice are
more likely to have a heart attack than people who stay married. The truly bad news is that women who have been divorced twice or more have the same
level of health risk as someone with diabetes or high blood pressure.
PINSKY: Or heart disease.
CATHERWOOD : Yes.
PINSKY: Or Heart attack.
CATHERWOOD: Yes. And, the good news for men if they remarry can reverse the risk of heart attack. And, it is just because guys are gross
and they always remarry someone like 40 years younger.
PINSKY: All right, you guys thanks for the "Click Fix." We are going to take a quick break. And, back with audience after this.
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(AUDIENCE APPALUDING)
[21:49:42] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time now for what we call, "Dr. Drew`s Qs." Your chance to ask e anything on Facebook, Twitter, of course here in audience. I will
answer your questions on any topic. Let us start with Chris on Twitter. "I stopped smoking cigarettes, but I want to keep smoking pot. Is it just
as bad?"
Very, very, very different. Certainly not carcinogenic the way tobacco is certainly not. Androgenic that is causing vascular disease the
way tobacco is. But, I sometimes do feel, when we come into the age when marijuana is being legal in many, many states, that I feel like Benjamin
rush back in 1780. He is looking at tobacco, going, "I do not think this is going to go so well. I am just a little concern about it. So, but it
is very different. So, totally different issue. Question from the studio audience.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I just started dating this guy who has been five years sober from alcohol and heroin. And, I notice, he is really
moody. I am curious, how long must someone be sober before they establish some sort of chemical balance.
PINSKY: Well, it could be a long time. Sometimes it is sort of -- depending on how much drugs they did. They can always have some struggling
with mood. I will tell you the fact that, "He went to Opiate, suggested he had trauma.
And, sometimes, people do not get their trauma properly treated in their recovery. Someone five years out should really be working on trauma
therapies, who is an opiate addict. So, there is something I call complete recovery or thorough recovery or complete flourishing.
[21:55:00] So, he has done great with recovery, which is amazing and congratulations to him. But urge him to now get some trauma therapy also
to deal with whatever -- regulatory problems and his emotions were there before he was using the heroin that motivated the heroin. Got it? OK.
That is it.
Let us go to Facebook. Steve on Facebook. "Have you ever had a one- night stand?" Me? Have I ever had one-night stand? Is that what they are asking? That was a long time ago, I am sure I have. Yep. Yeah, I am sure
I have. I was (EXPLETIVE WORD) when I was 20 also. All men were, are not they? Question from our studio audience. Let us get on it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hey, Dr. Drew. So, I recently moved to L.A. where all of the drugs are. So, what are the good, safe or safer
drugs? I know you have got an opinion?
PINSKY: Safer drugs? Well, pot is a safer drug. People do not die of that. But, do not mistake it for one that is not addictive if you have
a problem in that way. The things that kill my patience today are the prescription drugs. If somebody have been addicted to cocaine and heroin,
when they die, they die over a prescription overdose. So, the most dangerous comes from my peers, which is the scariest thing of all for me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Things that do not cause cognitive impairment, long- term in any way.
PINSKY: Do not cause long-term -- the things that cause long term -- I do not worry about cognition when it comes to drugs. It is more of the
motive centers that get screwed up. The things I saw working in the psych hospital is severe mood disturbances down the line particularly the
hallucinogens. I would see it from stimulants, methamphetamine. What are you looking for?
CATHERWOOD: Whatever you are doing, Drew.
PINSKY: I am doing coffee. Just stay with coffee. That is my recommendation. All right, do I think programs like AA work for all
addicts or can acupuncture, hypnosis and meditation be effective treatments?
Those are what we call adjunctive treatments. They are not treatments in and of themselves. Hypnosis can be useful. Certainly, meditative
mindfulness for sure. 12-step, of course, is not for everybody. But, boy if somebody has severe addiction, if somebody has severe enough addiction
they need to see me, they are going to need 12 steps.
If for no other reason that somebody has to sit on them. People who have been through that recovery process are willing to dedicate themselves,
their time, their energy to someone struggling with the same condition and you need somebody who will just sit on them for months at a time sometimes.
And, you just cannot do that professionally with a professional. And, you cannot do it with your family and friend. They will not tolerate that,
but someone who can really understands what you are dealing with and has benefited themselves for somebody doing that from them -- for them. They
will do it. So, severe addiction, yes, 12 step. Studio audience. Hi.
UNIDENIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Hi. My name is Debbie and I am a nine- year sober alcoholic.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Congratulations. Way to go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Thank you. And I am new to Southern California. My support system is all in Central California, in the Modesto
area. And, so being new to the area, I am just trying to figure out what is the most important thing I can do to keep my sobriety here in this?
PINSKY: Do you still have a relationship with your sponsor up north?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: No. She moved to Hawaii.
PINSKY: Your first order of business is find a sponsor. I do not care if you find a home meeting. I do not care if you go to lots of
meetings, find that connection with somebody who has at least five years sobriety also. Do you actually give service to other people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I have been in service in Modesto for the last eight years. So, being here is like a fish out of water, not
knowing --
PINSKY: You know what? I know lots of people in the program. I will hook you up with somebody right after this program. How about that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Thank you.
PINSKY: That is the way to do it.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Here is on twitter, "My feelings on powdered alcohol and the abuse that will occur."
Listen, I actually -- It is weird. I do not have a lot of strong feelings about that. My feeling is that if people -- if they want alcohol,
they are going to find ways to use alcohol, whether it is powder, or whether it is -- enema, binging it or snoring -- they will use alcohol
powder just another form.
And, I do not know why we need it, but you know, I guess they can pour it and bring it around more easily that way, which is a problem and young
people can can hide it, what not.
Whenever these advance come along -- advances, figuratively speaking. It is the young people that take the brunt of the problem. They think it
is cool and they end up getting hurt. Do we have time for one more audience question? All right, one more audience question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Dr. Drew, hi.
PINSKY: Yes. Hi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I have a question about the growing asexual movement. What are some tips for someone to come out of that?
Because many people, you know, dismiss it as they have issues or medical. They really might not.
PINSKY: No. When they do not they need to come out, it is another group, you know? They are the latest group to come to the table that need
awareness and support. I think transgender now is with Bruce Jenner`s thing. People are getting a lot of awareness about that. There is a group
that identifies as asexual.
And, they should be as welcome as anybody else. I mean it is silly, I hope they do not get -- I will be surprised if that group gets judged as
much as some of the other sexual orientations have but they get marginalized. So, do not let that happen. It is not appropriate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Wonderful. Thank you.
PINSKY: All right, everybody. Thank you to the live audience. Thank you for watching at home. See you next time. Good night.
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