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Dorothy Bland, A Black University Dean, Was Stopped In Her Affluent Dallas Suburb By Two White Officers, Police Say For Her Safety; Bland Claims Racial Profiling In Her Dallas Morning News Op-Ed And Police Then Responded By Releasing The Dash Cam Video; A Petition To Have Dorothy Bland Step Down From Her Role As Dean; Two New Videos Of Police Being Attacked By Teenaged Students; Uber Driver Filed A Lawsuit Against His Attacker, Benjamin Gold, For Unspecified Damages. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired November 04, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:14] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, walking while black. We are at that again. Yes, a university professor, was she targeted by police
because of her race? Plus, cops under attack by students. We have two new videos.
It all begins right now at the "Top of the Feed." Dorothy Bland, a black University Dean, was stopped in her affluent Dallas suburb by two white
officers, broad daylight, middle of the day. She was just taking a walk.
Police say it was for her safety. But, days later in a Dallas morning news op-ed, she claims racial profiling. The police then responded by releasing
the dash cam video. You be the judge. Here is part of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (1): We are police officers, and we want to talk to you real quick.
BLAND: Sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): OK. The reason why we are coming up here to talk to you is, when you were walking up this way --
DOROTHY BLAND, UNIVERSITY DEAN WHO WAS STOPPED BY WHITE OFFICERS: Uh-huh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): -- make sure you are walking on this side of the road.
BLAND: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Because , I do not know if you not noticed, there was a truck that pretty much had to go to a stop because -- we
understand you are working out and stuff.
BLAND: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): But just make sure you are on this side, that way you can see, because you -- you are impeding traffic, for one.
And two, it is a safety issue. We do not want you to get hit.
BLAND: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): You know, if somebody is not -- Because you could see people coming this way and you can jump out of the way.
BLAND: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): You know what I am saying?
BLAND: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): But if you are on this side, people come -- someone can come back and hit you and not even see you. And, you will not
even know what hit you. You know what I am saying?
BLAND: Yes. OK. I appreciate it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Not a problem. Do you have your I.D. on you real quick?
BLAND: No. I do not have my I.D. on me, but --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): You do not?
BLAND: If you want to verify, I am the property owner at (REDACTED). The provost for UNT lives just down the street here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Right.
BLAND: He can verify that I live in this neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): OK. No, that is fine.
(LAUGHING)
BLAND: I am amazed. I get stopped for walking!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): OK.
BLAND: Do you know how many times I walk down this street every day?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): We are just concerned for your safety.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Joining me, Heather Dubrow, cast member "Real Housewives of Orange County." Two new specials will air on November 12th at 9:00 P.M. on Bravo.
Also, she has a new podcast. Areva Martin, Attorney and Legal Consultant; Segun Oduolowu, Entertainment Journalist; AnneElise Goetz, Attorney, host
of the podcast "Your Life and the Law". On Skype, I got John Cardillo, WJNO Radio Host, former NYPD Officer.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Areva, here we are now, right? Is it much ado about nothing? Are we making too much of these things? Is she too sensitive? The police never
heard from Ms. Bland, so they then released the video because they thought she was trying to turn this into a racial profiling thing that had nothing
to with it.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: Well, I do not think we can say she is too sensitive. We were not in her situation. We have not
walked into her shoes.
PINSKY: Areva, come on now.
MARTIN: No. I think you have to take what she said. This is an educated woman --
PINSKY: We are watching it. Yes, she is lovely.
MARTIN: We are watching it.
PINSKY: We are watching it, but you have to watch it in the context of everything that has been played out in the media with respect to African-
Americans and the police.
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Areva. Areva. Areva.
MARTIN: Now, are African-Americans hypersensitive?
ODUOLOWU: Areva.
MARTIN: I think they are.
ODUOLOWU: Areva. I walk every day --
MARTIN: I think people are sensitive about this issue and we have to respect her thinking about it.
ODUOLOWU: We walk every day while black. That is out of foolishness.
PINSKY: This was?
MARTIN: No. I do not think so.
ODUOLOWU: It is out of foolishness.
MARTIN: I do not think so.
ODUOLOWU: This is out of foolishness. She is walking in the middle of the street and the first thing they say when they approach her is it is a
safety issue. Now, if they stopped her on the sidewalk, I am right there marching in protesting --
MARTIN: So, why ask her for her I.D. if it is a safety issue?
ODUOLOWU: Again, hold on.
MARTIN: Why do not they direct her to the sidewalk?
ODUOLOWU: I do not know if asking for I.D. is protocol, but I do know you do not walk in the middle of the street. I do not care what you are.
MARTIN: Why would it be protocol to know where you live if the only purpose they have was to get her out of the middle of the street, which is
what you think it is --
ODUOLOWU: The last question was, "Do you have your I.D. on you?"
MARTIN: When I hear them asking for the I.D., I am thinking they want to know, do you belong in this neighborhood? They want to check --
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: No. No. No.
ODUOLOWU: So, do you think it was subterfuge?
PINSKY: Hang on. Hang on. Guys, hold on.
ODUOLOWU: You think that they ask it without safety.
MARTIN: Why would they ask her for I.D.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Guys, over here. Heather, your thoughts?
HEATHER DUBROW, "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ORANGE COUNTY": Well, I mean I think I can understand why she is annoyed. I mean let us be honest, she is going
on her morning walk. She does this every morning. She is being pulled over.
PINSKY: Have you ever been stopped while walking?
DUBROW: No.
PINSKY: You are a white woman in Orange County.
DUBROW: No.
PINSKY: Do the police -- have you --
DUBROW: One is stopping me.
PINSKY: Have you been stopped by traffic cops because of a traffic violation?
DUBROW: Absolutely.
PINSKY: What happens?
DUBROW: Not in a very long time, honey.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: And, what happened? What was the first thing they ask for?
DUBROW: They ask for I.D. To me --
PINSKY: Do you object to that?
DUBROW: Absolutely not. To me --
PINSKY: Do they have a right to your I.D.?
DUBROW: When the police come up to you, I do not care what color, you keep your hands in clear eyesight and you give them whatever they want. I think
that they were very, very respectful. They were looking for her safety first and asking for her I.D., I believe, is just protocol. And, I thought
they were completely nice and charming the whole time.
MARTIN: No.
PINSKY: You say no?
MARTIN: No. It is not protocol in your neighborhood. That is what she is saying. As an African-American woman, why are you asking me for my I.D. if
it is only about my safety? And, I do not think we can dismiss so easily how African-Americans feel in their encounters with the police?
ODUOLOWU: It is not about the feeling.
DUBROW: But then, it is ---
MARTIN: Absolutely, you cannot dismiss those realities about how we experience with the police.
DUBROW: OK. I hear that and I cannot speak to that kind of experience. But what I will say is at what point are we going to have to say that you
can only be spoken to or pulled over if you are African-American by another African-American?
[21:05:08] MARTIN: No. That is not the issue.
DUBROW: Does every cop car should one Caucasian and one African-American, so that everything is OK?
ODUOLOWU: That is taking it a bit far. It is not that you can only be pulled over by one African-American or whatever. The asking for I.D., I
think, is a hypersensitive issue.
PINSKY: Right.
ODUOLOWU: I would like to know if it is protocol. If it is not protocol, I am with you, that is too far. But, walking in the middle of the street,
and the reason that they initially approached her, that is valid.
PINSKY: Segun, hold on.
ODUOLOWU: That is valid.
PINSKY: I want to talk to John Cardillo and ask him if it is a basic simple question. John, when a cop pulls somebody over -- essentially a
traffic violation we are talking about here or safety issue, do not they have to document who they are talking to, are not they required to look at
someone`s I.D.?
JOHN CARDILLO, WJNO RADIO HOST, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Well, yes, and in this case it is protocol because if God forbid, she were hit by a car later
on, those police officers would want to know that we spoke to her. We advised her of the safety issue. She disregarded it and, "Hey, we are
covered." And, that was really what that was about.
PINSKY: Wait. I want to get to the audience. Yes, ma`am, go right ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If she is educated, she should know better than walking in the middle of the street.
PINSKY: No. No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If you are over the age of 18 --
PINSKY: I do that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Do you believe she should be carrying an I.D. with you.
PINSKY: No. No, wait a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Because this is a safety issue.
DUBROW: I do not carry an I.D. if I go for a walk.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, in some states it is against the law to be walking if you are over the age of 18 with no I.D. It is not a
racial thing or anything like that.
ODUOLOWU: Bless you, my sister.
MARTIN: She absolutely does not have an obligation to carry identification.
ODUOLOWU: Thank you, my sister.
MARTIN: She has a right to be in her neighborhood, she was on her morning walk. She has an absolute right to do that. And, they had a right to ask
her to move to the side of the street if they wanted to. I am not disputing that. They asked her for her identification, she said in her op-
ed piece that she felt like she was racially profiled. We cannot dismiss her feelings about that.
PINSKY: OK. Let us --
DUBROW: So, I think --
PINSKY: Wait. Wait, everybody. Let us look at more of the dash cam video. OK? Just so we can -- let us be objective. We cannot be in her
shoes, but we can look at the facts, at the evidence as it plays out. This is from the end of the encounter. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BLAND: I usually walk at 5:00 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: OK.
BLAND: It rained today, so I am walking at 11:00.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: You did not want to walk in the rain?
BLAND: No. I decided that would not be smart today.
(LAUGHING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: Yes. Yes, you are right. Some people do.
BLAND: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: My dog does not like the rain.
BLAND: Yes. I am a perfectly law-abiding citizen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: All right.
BLAND: And, I pay lots of taxes, too, by the way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: All right. OK.
(LAUGHING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: I am not really understanding where the problem was.
BLAND: I am like jogging and I get flashing lights and everything from walking in my neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: Oh, he is just trying to get your picture.
BLAND: You got it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: All right, ma`am. Thank you.
BLAND: OK. Bye.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Now, in her Op-Ed, she writes, "Ouch" after quoting the officers` statement about his dog not liking the rain as though that was some sort of
this on her. But, go ahead, Heather.
DUBROW: He was just making a connection with her.
PINSKY: Yes.
DUBROW: I think he was just being completely nice. I mean, to me, the thing is walking in the middle of road is sort of erratic behavior. So,
what I would say --
MARTIN: How is that erratic behavior?
DUBROW: No. Because normal people do not walk in the middle of the road - -
PINSKY: In the rain.
DUBROW: -- when a car is almost hitting them. My feeling is this, if you are in the neighborhood and they see and you are behaving a little
erratically, they ask you because what would happen if -- I am just saying what if something did happen with this woman later?
ODUOLOWU: I am with you right there, Heather.
DUBROW: And, they did not write her name down and they knew that they pulled her over.
ODUOLOWU: Listen. John pointed that out.
DUBROW: "Oh, we pulled someone over, but we do not know her name."
ODUOLOWU: John pointed that out. If something, God forbid, had happened to her and she did not have her I.D., and it came back and the cops had
broken protocol or did not know who she was, absolutely, fine. I am no lover of cops and their treatment of black people but walking in the middle
of the street is not erratic but it is not safe.
PINSKY: OK.
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: It is not erratic --
PINSKY: Hang on. Areva --
DUBROW: It is not usual and customary.
PINSKY: Hang on. And, AnneElise, last thought here. Anything else to add from a legal perspective here?
ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: From a legal perspective, I think, unfortunately, it is a little unclear in Texas whether they had the right
to ask her for the I.D. or not. Hence --
PINSKY: Based on Texas law.
GOETZ: Based on Texas law. And, that is why I think that there is -- she is probably upset because it is definitely unclear. And, she could take
that as a lot more than just pulling over for her safety.
PINSKY: All right.
GOETZ: It looks like more.
PINSKY: OK. Well, let us keep this conversation going. Later on, I got students attacking police at schools. We have two new videos. We got our
"Click Fix." We got much more after this.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (1): We are police officers, and we want to talk to you real quick.
BLAND: Sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): OK. The reason why we are coming up here to talk to you is, when you were walking up this way --
DOROTHY BLAND, UNIVERSITY DEAN WHO WAS STOPPED BY WHITE OFFICERS: Uh-huh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): -- make sure you are walking on this side of the road.
BLAND: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Because , I do not know if you not noticed, there was a truck that pretty much had to go to a stop because -- we
understand you are working out and stuff.
BLAND: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): But just make sure you are on this side, that way you can see, because you -- you are impeding traffic, for one.
And two, it is a safety issue. We do not want you to get hit.
BLAND: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Not a problem. Do you have your I.D. on you real quick?
BLAND: No. I do not have my I.D. on me, but --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): You do not?
BLAND: If you want to verify, I am the property owner at (REDACTED). The provost for UNT lives just down the street here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Right.
BLAND: He can verify that I live in this neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): OK. No, that is fine.
(LAUGHING)
BLAND: I am amazed. I get stopped for walking!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Do you mind if I get your name and date of birth real quick, so I can make sure put it with the call?
BLAND: Sure. If I am going to get stopped again I would certainly want it on record. I will make a note, too. Can I get a picture of you two
officers?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Sure.
BLAND: That way I can say I was stopped.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): Yes, that is fine.
BLAND: While walking.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER (2): What is your date of birth?
BLAND: My date of birth is April 7, 1958.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: That is a black university professor stopped by two white officers while walking in her own neighborhood. I am back with Heather, Areva,
Segun, AnneElise, John and joining us, Jasmyne Cannick, political and social commentator.
That video has been viewed almost 800,000 times on YouTube. It has generated a lot of commentary. Ms. Bland says, quote, my column simply
reflects my perspective and experience." I want to get Jasmyne in to this conversation. You were watching the video, where do you come down to this?
JASMYNE CANNICK, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I think that whole conversation should have ended after he said what they have to say about getting on the
sidewalk. That point where he started to ask her for I.D. --
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[21:15:00] This is America. We can walk anywhere we want to walk. We can go anywhere we want to go. That is what makes this country so great. I
have experienced what Ms. Bland experienced. I experienced that in Madison, Wisconsin when I was there as a guest lecturer at a University.
I was followed by two officers for quite some time, so I finally turned around and asked them what they wanted. And, they just say, "Oh, you fit
the description of a fraud suspect. And, my host has to actually come in and explain to this officers that I was just visiting in town. My hotel
room card did not do it, even my California I.D. did not do it.
So, I understand exactly how she feels and that conversation should have just ended after they said, "Get on the sidewalk." She said, "OK." All
that asking for I.D., he did not ask for the I.D. of the truck driver who pointed her out, because that was the beginning of the story, that a truck
driver put his hands up and said, "Why are not you going to do something?" Did they ask the truck driver, "Let me have your I.D.?" Why are they
asking for her I.D.
ODUOLOWU: She is walking in the middle of the street.
DUBROW: Right.
ODUOLOWU: Hold on. A truck driver driving the car is doing, actually, what he is supposed to do and flag cops down and said, "I noticed someone
walking in the street."
PINSKY: Dangerous.
ODUOLOWU: What we are doing right now -- And again, we are doing as black people right now is putting extras. We are making a mountain out of this
mole hill. If they were disrespectful, I am with all of you.
But, they asked her for her I.D., and I hate to agree with John, but if something had happened to her -- if something had happened to her and they
asked were you stopped -- did the police get involved and they had no name ado you live?" They just asked for her I.D. I am with you on police
brutality.
MARTIN: That is your opinion.
ODUOLOWU: She is taking this too far and putting extras on it.
MARTIN: I do not think they were disrespectful, but I also do not think that they needed her I.D. and where she lived and her name and date of
birth.
ODUOLOWU: They did not ask where she lives.
MARTIN: I know a million people who walk every morning in the middle of the streets in America.
(CROSSTALK)
ODUOLOWU: She said where she lived.
PINSKY: One at a time.
DUBROW: Until we really understand what the protocol is there, it is hard to say because if the protocol is in that area that when you stop someone
whether it is walking or driving that you are required to ask for that information --
PINSKY: Well, Areva has that.
MARTIN: Well, the issue is --
PINSKY: You know that law, right?
MARTIN: It is not the protocol. The issue is the law, Heather. And, what we know about Texas law is that someone is not required to give their
identification unless they are under arrest. She is not under arrest. She had no legal obligation. And, we cannot talk about protocol --
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Wait, wait, Areva.
MARTIN: -- because what we know in this country --
DUBROW: Even if there is a suspicion?
MARTIN: Yes.
DUBROW: They do not ask for I.D. until they are actually arresting you?
MARTIN: Suspicion of what? Suspicion of a crime that she committed. There is no suspicion that she committed a crime that would justify them
asking for identification. And, you cannot just talk about protocol --
DUBROW: Well, she just committed a crime, because it was not appropriate to walk on the middle of the road.
ODUOLOWU: But, wait --
MARTIN: Let me just finish. Let me finish. As African-Americans, when we talk about protocol, we know that African-Americans are treated
differently in the criminal justice system.
CANNICK: That is right.
MARTIN: You cannot ignore that. That is a reality. We cannot get away from that.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am thinking, what if it was premeditated. Because maybe she planned the whole thing out before she
decided to go out on her run or her jog --
PINSKY: She is trying to entrap the cops?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Because everybody knows that --
PINSKY: She is trying to entrap the cops?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Trying to entrap the cops to start a media firestorm, because everybody knows you do not run or jog in the
middle of the side -- or in the middle of the road.
DUBROW: No. No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Who does that?
MARTIN: Lots of runners.
PINSKY: OK. Hold on.
DUBROW: You know what? Forgive me, but I think that is a little preposterous. This is a very intelligent woman. She is a dean of
students. She is a very bright woman. However, the only thing I would say to that end is, you know, she had this experience, I can understand why it
was unsettling for her.
But, at the end of the day, it took her a few days to come out with this statement. Why? Why did it stew and why did she decide to really make a
platform out of this?
MARTIN: Well, let us be factual. She says on the tape, "Why, I am getting stopped for walking?" So, already she is expressing her concern about
being stopped.
PINSKY: Well --
ODUOLOWU: But, they say, "No, you are not." But, they say, "No, you are not."
DUBROW: They were very respectful.
ODUOLOWU: Hang on a second. Areva, you said the cops cannot demand to know where she lived. They said, "Do you have it?" Listen, there is a big
difference between "Give me your I.D." and "Do you have it?" And, they did not say, "Give it."
MARTIN: -- someone civil rights, it does not matter how polite you are --
ODUOLOWU: Areva --
MARTIN: -- with respect to the violation.
ODUOLOWU: Areva. When you say violate --
MARTIN: Your rights is your right.
ODUOLOWU: When we say violate, let it be for something more than a woman walking in the middle of the street.
MARTIN: Yes. Your rights or your rights and it does not matter if you say it nicely to me or rudely to me, I have my rights.
PINSKY: Segun --
ODUOLOWU: You think they were rude?
PINSKY: Segun, you are just exhibiting your white privilege, again.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
ODUOLOWU: I know. I am like I am so -- I am like top 1 percent. I am like that white guy.
PINSKY: I want to go to the audience. Go ahead. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: All I know is that I grew up in Augusta, Georgia.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, we did not have any sidewalks, so we had to walk in the street. So, that is not uncommon for someone to
walk in the street and they are in Texas. That is the south. There is no --
ODUOLOWU: Yes, my dear -- No. But, my dear, it is uncommon because there are sidewalks when she is walking in the middle of the street.
DUBROW: Right. And, by the way --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: But, she is in the south. I could see if you are in Compton or if you are somewhere, where there is a lot of
cars -- yes, of course, that is fine. But --
ODUOLOWU: But, we do not get to apply the rules. We do not get to apply the rules.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: No. She is in the south.
ODUOLOWU: Willy-Nilly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, she has more rights to walk in her neighborhood.
ODUOLOWU: She is walking -- there are sidewalks there.
PINSKY: Let me talk --
DUBROW: Is not it breaking the law to walk in the street?
ODUOLOWU: No, you cannot.
DUBROW: Is it breaking the law to walk on the street?
ODUOLOWU: No, you cannot.
PINSKY: I think it would be. But, I do not know that.
GOETZ: Dr. Drew, I think that what is really -- I think the real issue that we have here, you hit on it earlier is that there is all these views
on YouTube and is generating all these conversation. And, there is a petition to have her step down from her role as Dean and that, to me, I
think, is the biggest tragedy.
Because what that Op-Ed really was, was her talking about her experience and her perspective and it really was not, if you read it, that much of an
attack. It talked about the good things going on in that neighborhood as well.
[21:20:00] And, if we are at a place in this country, where you cannot even express your opinion in an Op-Ed without potentially losing your job,
that makes me sad for expressing her rights.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
DUBROW: But, did not she say in that article what is this country coming to?
PINSKY: Listen. But she is allowed -- the point is she is allowed to say whatever she wants without threat.
CANNICK: Correct.
PINSKY: That drives me insane. You must experience stuff in social media, where they attack you for God knows what.
DUBROW: Oh, yes.
PINSKY: And, if you had some employment that got jeopardized just because you said something, that is awful.
DUBROW: Absolutely. I think -- Listen. We live in America, she should be able to say whatever she want.
PINSKY: Period.
DUBROW: Absolutely.
PINSKY: Let me get John`s opinion. John, I am trying to get you in here. What is your opinion on all of this?
CARDILLO: Well, I think everybody is leaving out one critical detail and that is that in her article, in her Op-Ed, she lied. She said they
forcibly stopped her with lights and sirens. They did not and they did not violated anything like Segun says. They said, "Do you have I.D.?" She
said, "No." They said, "Oh, that is OK." You know they did not cross the --
PINSKY: We cannot let Segun speak anymore. He got white privilege.
(LAUGHING)
CANNICK: No. One word. It was word.
MARTIN: The only factual disparity, John was the siren. They did have on their bright lights. That has been confirmed and everything else that she
said in that Op-Ed is confirmed by that video except the siren. It is not fair to call her a liar.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Hold on.
MARTIN: That is a small detail.
CARDILLO: Hold on. You have to put on the lights when you stop someone in the middle of the street so other vehicles do not come slamming into all of
you.
PINSKY: All right.
DUBROW: You know, when you are pulled over by the police, whether you are walking -- I mean come on. You get nervous. I mean she had not seen the
tape. To her there were lights -- so there were lights, there were noises, whatever it was to her, that is what she experienced.
PINSKY: Jasmyne, what do you say.
CANNICK: Look, that was an honest mistake she made. OK?
DUBROW: Yes.
MARTIN: It was one word.
CANNICK: At the end of the day --
(LAUGHING)
ODUOLOWU: You heard the siren? That is not honest.
CANNICK: It was one siren. It was one siren. OK? And, it was her experience. And, I agree that, that Op-Ed was her experience, just like
the officer said, their experience. OK?
At the end of the day, I am going to stand by it. I do not think the officers were rude, but I do think that they were overreaching and
overstepping by asking for her I.D.
MARTIN: Right.
ODUOLOWU: So, wait. So, wait. So, she is overreached with the siren?
CANNICK: We are allowed to walk in the street. People do it in Compton. People do it in L.A. People do it down south --
PINSKY: But, Jasmyne --
CANNICK: People jog every morning.
PINSKY: Your point well taken, but there are two things that is going jump out from this whole story, but I have to go to break just a second here.
CANNICK: OK.
PINSKY: But, one is the restriction of the PC world we live in, the restriction of our personal freedoms of expression is just ridiculous.
This woman, her job should be protected regardless of what she side on the tape, number one.
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MARTIN: I agree.
PINSKY: But, number two, you know, I am sure John Cardillo would agree with me on this, cops are having trouble doing their job now. I mean we
want them to do their jobs.
CANNICK: I agree. Look, at the end of the day, this was not a situation like we had with the actress here in Los Angeles, OK? Where clearly that
tape showed a different story. All right? This lady made one mistake --
PINSKY: But, Jasmyne, she got -- this woman got defensive fast.
CANNICK: But we do --
PINSKY: You saw that.
CANNICK: I got defensive when I found out officers were following me, because we already know as black people, something is about to go down.
Something is about to happen. So, you have to be defensive. You have to be ready for whatever is coming at you.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: I -- I -- Listen. Well, I just got to leave it right there. I think -- this is not a conversation that ends today. It is changed a
little bit. The character mostly because Segun changes his whole point of view, which I do not know what that means. The fact --
ODUOLOWU: Being white guy.
PINSKY: No. It is not that. The fact is at one point we have to really keep the conversation going about what African-Americans are experiencing.
And, this woman experienced is important.
She should be protected and allowed to express it, but at the same token, we want police to be able to do their job. So, this is going to be a
continued navigation.
And, next, I am going to show you two new videos of police being attacked by teenaged students. Back after this.
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[21:23:38] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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[21:27:32] UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Cell phone video capturing the sights and sounds of a student coming to blows with an Allentown police
officer.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: This is awful that they were doing that to cops.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: A female officer can be seen on the ground. A girl wearing an Allen School uniform is seen punching her. A crowd of
students then surround the two. And, police say some of them joined in on the assault.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The officer overwhelmed as she tries to stop her previous fight.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: Four of our officers were injured.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Police say they have arrested five kids.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: If a cop put a hand on you in the wrong way or touch you in the wrong way, then you got the right to hit them.
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PINSKY: Four officers injured, five students arrested, police trying to break up several fights outside that high school. Some students ended up
turning on the officers as you saw. Back with Heather, Areva, Segun, AnneElise, John and Jasmyne. And, Segun, you heard them say that if the
cops put your hands on you, you have a right to hit him.
ODUOLOWU: See, that hurts my heart because I work with kids. And, you know, once the show is over, I am going to go coach high school kids and I
see them every single day. To have that type of mentality knowing --
PINSKY: You see it is happening?
ODUOLOWU: No. To see kids every day who walk around with this fake tough air and think that it is OK to -- not only be on T.V. saying something that
ludicrous but to think that striking an adult is the way to handle things talks about where we are. There is such a large disconnect between the
kids and the cops, what they think is OK and what the cops and what we are seeing is OK.
PINSKY: And, Areva, Sergeant Cheryl is with us all the time, she always says, "You put your hands on cops, bad things will happen."
MARTIN: Yes. I do not think those kids have any clue about the seriousness of what just happened in that video and the long-term
consequences in terms of criminal charges, possibly even being charged as an adult and the criminal record, you know, messes up their college, their
education, their job prospects and it is just not a good look for kids to be hitting a cop.
ODUOLOWU: But, Areva, that young brother was like, "It is OK."
MARTIN: Yes.
ODUOLOWU: It is that line. "It is OK, I think I have the right to." Like you cannot -- that mentality has to -- wherever it is coming from, you got
to exterminate that.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Heather.
DUBROW: Well, one of the kids made a statement saying that the cops put their hand on the child and that is why they started interacting.
PINSKY: Yes.
DUBROW: But the truth is the beginning of the story was, the kids were in a brawl and the cops went in to break it up.
PINSKY: Of course.
DUBROW: So, if you are in a brawl and someone is reaching in -- I have four kids. Who knows where you are reaching. You are just pulling them
all out. You cannot beat up an adult and certainly not an officer.
PINSKY: But, Jasmyne, you know, Segun asked the question, where does this attitude come from? And, my greatest fear is, I do not want to shrink away
from these conversations.
[21:30:00] But, my fear is by saying, "You do not have to show the police your I.D.", that is in that same zone as, "Hey man, you are not the boss of
me. I can hit you back," kind of crazy thinking as it pertains to authority, no?
CANNICK: Yes. I mean one of the things I thought about when I saw that video was, I guess they have not seen enough black people get killed by
reaching in a pocket, you know, being pulled over. I mean these kids actually put their hands on an officer and lived to tell about it.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
They should be thanking God in America. OK? But, then again, when you want to talk about society and you want to talk about kids, it is like,
look, we have kids that do not even respect their parents.
PINSKY: Yes.
CANNICK: So, what would make you think that they will respect a person with a gun and a badge?
PINSKY: All right, I will start there. I am with you on that. AnneElise.
GOETZ: I mean, I think that it is sad to see something like this, but I think the saddest part is the boy`s response. Because I believe there is a
lack of education. And, when kids are being educated by YouTube, there are all these videos on YouTube right now and they are talking about how to
interact with the cops and how to challenge the cops.
And, there is a misconception going on across this country on what you are allowed to do. And, that -- it is --They should take this as an
opportunity to go in and educate the kids because they are kids. These are 15-year-old young kids.
PINSKY: Yes, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: All right, my thoughts are everywhere, but it just seems like culture is starting to move ahead of racial issues
and I agree with what the brother said earlier. I also mentor high school students. And, my point is, when they can relate to you, they do not react
to you that way.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
So, in this case -- I mean I am just speaking from the heart not really speaking for applause. But in this case, me, I do not understand our
youth. When I say our youth, I am talking about black American youth.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: They have seen all of this horrific history we have and now they are rebelling. Ferguson proved that.
Baltimore proved that. Those were teenagers in Baltimore raising hell at federal tanks. So, now that we know the law -- the Black Panthers, are we
have a right to defend ourselves? Are we are going to do it? And, look, this is my observation --
PINSKY: Is that what you want your students you are mentoring?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: No. You do not understand. That is what I want.
PINSKY: I am just saying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am observing out youth.
PINSKY: You are explaining. Got it. Do you agree with it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: That is what they are doing.
ODUOLOWU: I agree with him up to the point. I think the kids are seeing - -
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: I am glad you, guys, are interacting with the kids.
ODUOLOWU: No, no, no.
PINSKY: If that is what you are saying.
ODUOLOWU: No, again, this is the scary part. The credibility of the police has fallen so far that kids actually think it is better to put their
hands on cops than be led away in handcuffs.
PINSKY: John, help me out here.
CARDILLO: I mean I think the whole thing is ridiculous. You know, look, there are a couple of components here. And, interestingly this situation
was less about race and more about mob mentality. Allentown is primarily Hispanic and that was representative in the crowd.
You know, I was in an altercation like that where I had six suspects on my back, because we went to break up a fight and the crowd was there in an
instant. Very volatile and dangerous. And, yes, this division between the police and the public, especially kids, is not helping.
PINSKY: Heather?
CARDILLO: It is miraculous someone did not get killed there.
PINSKY: You are right.
DUBROW: You know what, I understand what you are saying about what the kid are learning from YouTube and the school, but they are also learning from
their parents. So, what I think what we cannot ignore is that some point, we got to break the cycle.
It got to start with the parents teaching the children to respect no matter what color the officer is, that there is authority in their lives whether
it is the teachers, principals, dean of students on both sides. But, we have to teach this to them.
PINSKY: I had Joey Jackson sitting on this stage. We were in New York and he sees an attorney. He is a black man. He says he educates his kids,
"Whatever the officer says, you do it. Period, and we will deal with it, later. Just do what officers say."
MARTIN: Well, not everybody agrees with that, Dr. Drew.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: I know, Sunny Hostin did not. I did not expect Areva too, either. But, still, the point is, we can educate our kids to respond differently.
MARTIN: We can, but there is also responsibility on the part of these adults telling our kids to respect. So, yes, we should teach our kids to
respect authority, but authority also has to respect the roles that they play and they have to respect kids.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: All right. We are going to look at the same story in a different state, this time, you will never guess where -- Florida, everybody.
Florida. No, shocking. Florida. Students turn up police in Florida. It looks pretty bad, though. We will get into it after this.
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[21:34:14] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The brawl in the back started between a group of boys against one.
Police board the bus and remove two boys. Outside and off camera, officers had to physically takedown one of the boys and that is when students
started yelling.
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UNIDENTIFIE MALE SPEAKER: One officer put his hands on the girl`s shoulder to get her to sit down. That is when officers say she resisted and started
kicking; shortly after police say her sister jumped in to pull her sister away from the officer and punched him while they were escorted off the bus.
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PINSKY: Two high school girls arrested for assaulting the officers. But, the mother of these girls say they were just defending themselves. Back
with Heather, Areva, Segun, John, AnneElise and Jasmyne. Jasmyne, simple defense?
CANNICK: Well, again, they are lucky that they are alive.
PINSKY: Yes.
CANNICK: And, two, you have to understand in America, resisting arrest is rolling your eyes at a cop. So, the fact that he put his hand on her
shoulder and now that they are calling that resisting arrest, "I am a little, OK."
But, I would not want my daughter to -- if I had a kid, to try to pull her sister away from a police officer. Again, you are talking about life and
death here. All right?
PINSKY: The death would be --
CANNICK: There are two cops on a bus full of rowdy teenagers. They get scared. We have seen it before. Guns come out, people get killed. OK?
PINSKY: AnneElise.
CANNICK: So, again, it comes back to simple respect and being smart about how you interact with law enforcement.
GOETZ: The bottom line, she was not just, you know, trying to get his hands -- she was throwing punches. It was a lot more aggravated than just
rying to dodge a cop that was trying to, you know, push her down into her seat.
[21:40:00] You cannot hit a cop and expect it to end well for you, ever. I think she should be happy that the way that -- the way that she left --
there was not a taser involved. Nothing else happened. She is off of the bus.
DUBROW: She is alive.
GOETZ: She is safely off the bus. What I would like to see more of, though, is the fact that we are talking about, I think a 9th grader and a
12th grader.
DUBROW: Yes.
GOETZ: These are young kids.
PINSKY: Yes.
GOETZ: And, I want to see more education with the young kids. And, the fact the matter, at ninth grade you cannot drive, you cannot vote, you
cannot do anything. We recognize as a society that you do not make good judgment calls.
PINSKY: You know what, though, you guys were fighting --
GOETZ: So, they need to, you know, to acknowledge that there.
PINSKY: Education is one thing, but we are fighting now experiential media. You know, when you get in front of a group of people, and you know,
you in your robes, and me in my white coat, they do not listen. They do not want to hear information. They want to see action.
ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, where is the protocol for the police? Two cops trying to subdue a school bus full of kids, like where is the backup?
PINSKY: John, there is not enough backup in there?
MARTIN: It is called a gun.
(LAUGHING)
CARDILLO: Well, here is the problem, right? If they come with too much backup, then they are jack booted, heavy handed thugs. And, everybody
forgets that in May of this year, in Jacksonville, Florida, a 16-year-old shot students on the school bus and the call for help to police came over
exactly the same way this one originated. So, this cops ended this situation with a previous incident where deadly gunfire erupted.
PINSKY: Audience --
CARDILLO: -- they call for backup, you know.
PINSKY: Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I just want to say that these kids do not know that they need to stay in the kid`s place. I am an old school
fan. My kids know, you stay in the child`s place. You do not get to do what adults do because you are not an adult yet. So, that is the problem
with these children. They do not understand that they are still children.
PINSKY: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, that is the place that they need to be.
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DUBROW: I think one thing that we are missing, keep talking about the experiences of the kid.
PINSKY: Yes.
DUBROW: And, what they are learning. But, the cops said, their own experiences too, and they are getting killed and they are getting beaten up
also. So, they are going into a bus full of people, like we are saying they do not know what these children have. And, as far as I am concerned,
it is back to the education. When an officer walks on a bus, those children should have their butts in the seats and --
ODUOLOWU: Heather. Heather, here is where I disagree with you, just really quickly. The kids are kids. Those cops signed up for the job.
MARTIN: That is right.
ODUOLOWU: So, you got to know better as the adult and as the cop -- you got to know better.
DUBROW: But, there is no cautious is what I am saying. They do not know what they are walking into. They have to protect themselves.
ODUOLOWU: I am not arguing to protect themselves. But just remember in that video, that is a man wrestling with a girl. So, that looks bad anyway
you saw it.
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PINSKY: But, I do not know --
ODUOLOWU: A grown man and a little girl.
DUBROW: So, what is he supposed to do stand there, while she is kicking him?
ODUOLOWU: No. The police should have better protocol.
PINSKY: Yes, but --
ODUOLOWU: They do not need to be wrestling a girl.
PINSKY: That maybe a community police. That might not be a resource officers. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, I am a substitute teacher and I teach everything from high school to kindergarten, and kids are inherently
good. That is how I lost my voice. They are good. But, it takes education, communication and respect and we have to start them young. Some
parents do not even talk to their kids.
So, the teachers have to sat with them and talk to them. But, all it takes is one student that is having a bad day, that is not understood. And, you
know, it is a chance to rebel and fight back, and kids jump on that.
In the heat at the moment, like on the bus, they all jump on it, and they do not sink in the moment. Parents and teachers have to talk to kids and
really drill them and let them know that it is not OK to do this.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: You are right. You are right. Finish, Areva.
MARTIN: I do not know what the race of these young girls are, but I just read a study today from the University of Chicago that said, over 50
percent of African-American millennials, the age group that we are talking has had a negative and violent experience with the police. So, we have to
make sure we are addressing these really big issue in these cases.
PINSKY: OK. I agree with you. I agree with what she was saying. But, here is what I am sort of thinking about. She said the kids are not being
a attended to in the home.
ODUOLOWU: Absolutely. Absolutely.
PINSKY: And, you are doing mentoring your kids and you are finding that. The hope for the future is sitting across the table for me here, Segun.
You going out there and mentoring kids, a single -- well, here is what we know about kids and their behavioral outcomes, a single positive
relationship outside the home sustained. You have to stay with those kids.
(LAUGHING)
ODUOLOWU: Yes, I know.
PINSKY: Good luck with that. There are other gentleman who has also said he is mentoring, hats off to you, man. That is how we solve these
problems. Single, positive relationships with an adult sustained over time can markedly change the trajectory of these young kids.
Next up, I have a social media star giving up social media in an emotional confession. She will tell us why.
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[21:44:39] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook and Instagram feeds. And, Areva is number one.
MARTIN: OK. Dr. Drew, as you know MTV`s teen moms are no strangers to controversy especially when it comes to what they post on social media.
So, Farrah Abraham landed in hot water when she instagramed and tweeted photos of her 6-year-old daughter, Sophia, wearing what looks like mascara,
blush, lip gloss. And, this is her first grade portrait.
And, then on Instagram, there was Maci Bookout cradling her daughter, Jay, and what appears to be her holding a can of beer. Now, another teen mom,
Mackenzie McKee is accused of hitting a new low. Take a look at this picture.
She just posted this on Instagram. Her 4-year-old son, Gannon, holding a rifle with this caption, get this, "Do not worry, mama. I will put supper
on the table. #RaisingThemRight. Now, I know Dr. Drew, you work with the teen moms. Help us understand what is going on?
[21:50:00] PINSKY: I have not seen Mackenzie in a couple of years. So, I do not know what that is all about. T
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: OK. That is a nice disclaimer.
PINSKY: But to be fair, I mean, we are judging their cultural perspective --
MARTIN: 4-year-old? Rifle?
PINSKY: Listen. It is not something I would choose. But, I am just saying, we could do -- maybe tomorrow do a segment on that.
MARTIN: OK.
PINSKY: Because I am not going to just uniformly judge it, number one. Maci has a beer beside her. Maci is not an alcoholic. Maci is allowed to
have a beer once a while if she wants to have a beer, everybody.
MARTIN: But the photograph on Instagram with the infant and a beer, not a great one.
PINSKY: Not well thought out. Fine.
DUBROW: I would better go delete.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: And, Sophia wearing all that make up, I said --
ODUOLOWU: It is a lot.
PINSKY: That is a little disturbing.
DUBROW: I mean the best part of the portrait is the unattractive ones with the hair all messed up --
PINSKY: In fact, your first grade pictures?
ODUOLOWU: She is in first grade.
MARTIN: Yes.
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: No judgment. But --
PINSKY: I will judge that.
ODUOLOWU: Yes, I am going to judge that, too.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Yes. Because the sexy girl thing is way out of hand.
MARTIN: But, you do not find the rifle offensive?
PINSKY: That is a whole segment. We have to do a segment about it. I would not choose that. I have grave concerns about the guns as you know.
OK, Segun, what do you got?
ODUOLOWU: Well, Dr. Drew, if you think teen moms make questionable decisions, talk to the mayor of Lahoma, Oklahoma, whose husband decided
that it would be good to dress up with three of his friends as Ku Klux Klan members and stage a cross burning.
PINSKY: What?
DUBROW: Oh my gosh.
ODUOLOWU: She, now -- Now, the mayor is saying that, though, she disagrees with her husband`s actions and they do not reflect the idea --
PINSKY: Is that the mayor?
ODUOLOWU: You know, they do not reflect the community Lahoma, which only has 600 people, this is the same Oklahoma that had the students at the
University of Oklahoma doing the racist -- doing the racist songs on the bus.
PINSKY: Forgive me, but --
ODUOLOWU: Let us watch it. Take a look at this.
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CARY SHARP, MAYOR THERESA SHARP`S HUSBAND: Cousin of mine came up with the idea of dressing up, you know, like KKK members. And, so, we took a couple
of sheets and cut holes on the sheets and a very, very poor decision. I never realized that it would be this harmful. I truly apologize to
everybody for this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: OK. Well, at least we have some apology. But, it is still astonishing.
ODUOLOWU: But, think about the kitchen table the next day when he has to explain why she will never be in office again for that.
PINSKY: Again, another segment maybe tomorrow. Heather, what do you got?
DUBROW: OK. Well, my "Click Fix" is about a social media star who is deleting all of her accounts because she says that the life she was
promoting on her social media was fake. Essena O`Neill, she is an 18-year- old model from Australia.
And, on Instagram alone, she had over half a million followers and over the past several years, she has posted thousands of glamorous photos. We see
her wearing gorgeous dresses and showing off her bikini body. But, now she says, the perfect life she showed off in social media is, quote, "Not real
life."
So, she has deleted over 2,000 photos and reception other photos with the truthful untold stories behind the images. And, in one bikini photo, she
revealed that it took a hundred attempts to get just the right shot and that she had starved herself all day.
PINSKY: Oh.
DUBROW: So, honestly, I have to be honest. If it took me 200 to get look like her in a bikini, like I might attempt that, to be honest with you --
But seriously --
PINSKY: It is bad messaging.
DUBROW: It is a message .
PINSKY: Yes.
DUBROW: And I actually personally -- you know, I worked with Jenny McCarthy on a show years ago, and she was the first one to me that exposed
that they would lengthen her legs in pictures.
PINSKY: Yes.
DUBROW: And, that it was all photoshoped, which I admired. And, for me, personally, I never put filters on my Instagram, because I want people to
see what I look like.
PINSKY: But, what we are teaching young women about themselves, their appearance, and their bodies and the worse of their bodies --
DUBROW: It is not OK.
PINSKY: It is really -- we have to think about that.
ODUOLOWU: Even if it is self-exploitation? I mean she does not have to put those pictures on Instagram.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: I got to get out. Next up, you are going to hear from an Uber driver who is assaulted by a passenger. Back after this.
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[21:53:53] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Video of an Uber driver assaulted by a drunk passenger has had more than 2 million views. Here is what the victim -- Yes, this is
unbelievable. Is not it crazy? The victim and his attorney told "Good Morning America" this morning, take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RIVERS MORRELL, EDWARD CABAN`S ATTORNEY: It is unacceptable behavior, and we want to make sure he understands that.
EDWARD CABAN, UBER DRIVER ASSAULTED BY A DRUNK PASSENGER: He was, you know, forgetting what he was saying. I kept trying to ask him, you know,
for directions and he was becoming very aggressive with me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CABAN: I think his hat flew off and I was able to break free. And, I was able to turn around and spray him in the face.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Got him with the pepper spray. The driver says he, quote, "Continues to suffer emotional injury and distress. He has filed a lawsuit
against his attacker, Benjamin Gold, for unspecified damages. Gold has been fired from his job and faces up to a year in prison on assault and
battery charges. He has been banned from Uber for life.
(LAUGHING)
ODUOLOWU: Nobody pick him up.
PINSKY: Yes. My son -- I have family members that have been driving for Uber and I saw that. It scared the heck out of me.
DUBROW: Well, there is no divider. I mean you are there. It is like hitchhiking with pay.
PINSKY: Yes. That is interesting. You have to have a go pro and pepper spray as part of the equipment they give out to Uber. All right, a
reminder, we are on Snap Chat. You can join us there @DrDrewHLN. Yes, we will do a lot of snapchatting.
Also, we have an after show on Facebook. You are invited to stay with us, all three of you. You guys can stick around after the show? All right, we
will talk a little bit more about the stop, walking while black in Texas and whether that is right or right. You are laughing.
ODUOLOWU: No. Because everyone was like, I am all after sudden anti-black --
PINSKY: You are white privileged, Segun.
ODUOLOWU: Look. I am always pro common sense.
DUBROW: Can you move his chair.
ODUOLOWU: I am pro common sense.
PINSKY: We will get into it. Thanks for watching. Thank you, audience. Thank you, panel. DVR us.
ODUOLOWU: Pro common sense.
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