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Chicago In Turmoil Over A Controversial Police Shooting; Police Chief Just Fired in Chicago; President Of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, Posted An Open Letter To His Students; Irish Singer Sinead O`connor Rushed To A Hospital After A Suicide Note On Facebook; A 57-Year-Old Suspect On A Deadly Rampage At The Colorado Abortion Clinic; Donald Trump Demanding $5 Million Back From CNN To Participate In Debate; Donald Trump`s Critics Hit Hard and He Hits Back. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired December 01, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:14] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, is Donald Trump in denial? First, he claims he did not mock a disabled reporter. Now, the billionaire
wants $5 million from CNN. Not. Plus, Chicago in turmoil over a controversial police shooting. Was there a cover-up at the highest levels
of government?
Starts right now with the "Top of the Feed." Chicago is tense tonight. It has been for a couple of days. The police chief just fired, and the mayor
is taking serious heat for how he handled a police shooting in which a black teen, Laquan McDonald, was shot.
It seems like it was 16 -- whatever it was, it was a lot. 16 times is what the allegations are. He was killed. He was unarmed except for perhaps a
knife. You are going to see the video. It is quite disturbing. Take a look.
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RYAN YOUNG, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: With PCP in his system and a knife in his hand, he was gunned down by Jason Van Dyke on the night of October
20th of 2014. Earlier this year, McDonald`s mother received a $5 million settlement from the city of Chicago. And, the release of this video,
showing McDonald`s death, has led to first-degree murder charges for Officer Jason Van Dyke.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is Jason Van Dyke`s police SUV, recorded by another squad car. Trailing him as they weave through traffic, rushing
to a report of a man wielding a knife. Now, we are inside Van Dyke`s vehicle. This blurry dash cam video reveals something we had not seen
until today, Laquan McDonald running from police. Watch again as the 17- year-old runs right in front of Van Dyke`s SUV.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Joining me to discuss Samantha Schacher. You can catch her on "The Profit" on CNBC, Tuesday, December 8th. Areva Martin, Attorney and
legal consultant. Darren Kavinocky, Attorney, host of "Deadly Sins" on Investigation Discovery. Natalie Foster, Conservative Commentator, host of
the web series "Love at First Shot", and Chris Donaghue, Clinical Psychologist. All right, Areve, I have not discussed this with you, but I
know you got some feelings.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: Yes.
PINSKY: Little too much? Looks excessive?
MARTIN: This whole case, actually, has been so disturbing. And, we just showed in the clip that the mother got a settlement of $5 million. No
lawsuit was ever filed. This mother never had really any custody of her own son. He was taken away as a kid, placed in foster care in and out of
foster care homes. So, the city very quickly decides to pay off this mom, who had not even raised this child. You got 400 days --
PINSKY: So, you are saying that it is hush money?
MARTIN: It feels like hush money to me.
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: You got 400 days --
PINSKY: Darren, do you agree? Hold on.
MARTIN: Before this release --
PINSKY: He is mugging behind you there.
DARREN KAVINOCKY, ATTORNEY, T.V. HOST: No. I do. And, the other thing that feels very disingenuous is now that the police chief is being asked to
step down, which seems to be an appropriate move, but it was not based on anything other than this new political fallout.
MARTIN: Pressure.
KAVINOCKY: And, it seems to me that the most important thing -- the most important revelation in the world of policing is not some new bullet proof
vest or other policing equipment. It is the camera. It is either citizen journalist with an iPhone or citizen with a dash cam.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "THE PROFIT" ON CNBC: Right.
KAVINOCKY: And, how many times have seen this. It is not the crime, it is the cover-up. And, that is what the problem is in Chicago now.
MARTIN: And, let me just say this, the protests. You know, I am always here talking about the protesters. Oftentimes, guests are saying to me,
"But Areva, Areva, they do not have a purpose. They are not organized."
SCHACHER: They did here.
MARTIN: And, I say those protesters brought the mayor to this decision. And, we may see additional fallout with that state`s attorney, who in my
opinion needs to go, and possibly even the mayor.
SCHACHER: And, I wonder why they did not want this video to come out to the public, Dr. Drew. It is completely different than the narrative of
that police officer. This police officer committed a crime. Just because you are an officer does not mean you get a free pass. And, not only did he
cover it up, so did the department, so did the union.
PINSKY: All right.
SCHACHER: It is absolutely abhorrent.
KAVINOCKY: But in fairness to them, to the extent that it would compromise the integrity of an investigation, you do not want that out. But --
SCHACHER: That is not the case here. That is not the case here.
PINSKY: So, Natalie, is this a civil rights issue that this stuff was hidden and sort of drawered and paid off? You know, it is clearly
something that they did not want to be public, and now, 11 months later, it is public.
NATALIE FOSTER, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: No. It looks very shady. Absolutely. I mean this is -- You are right, you know, I am having a lot
of issues with the fact that they paid off the mother. Now, the fact that, you know, he was in foster care for most of his life, you know, there are a
lot of problems here.
But to me, it goes back to the corruption in Chicago. It is absolutely endemic there, right? And, they are requesting that Mayor Emanuel step
down. And, I think yes, of course, he did this because he made the police superintendent resign, which to me, it is symbolic. But, what is really
going to happen? Who are they going to bring in that is going to do anything different?
Now, this guy has a lot to answer for, absolutely. But, you know, somebody just took his case. And, they feel that they have a very strong case. So,
I would like to know a lot more about what is going on. I am going to, you know -- I am typically going to side with the police officers because the
liability is on their side. And, they have to work a lot harder to prove themselves. So, you know, I think there is a lot to be said.
[21:05:04] PINSKY: All right, I got to get to out next topic. This is the president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, Dr. Everett Piper. He
posted an open letter to his students after one of them claimed, he felt victimized -- victimized of micro-aggression because of a religious sermon.
Take a look.
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DR. EVERETT PIPER, PRESIDENT OF OKLAHOMA WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY: This is not a safe space. It is a place to learn. And, sometimes learning is
uncomfortable. Sometimes learning involves being confronted when you are wrong.
And, challenged to think higher and better ideas rather than accepting those self-centered ideas that lead you to narcissism. It is the common
bond. "You must agree with us. You must be one of us. You must share our ideas. And, if you do not, we will crush you. We will silence you."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Chris, do you have any concerns about what is going on, on college campuses?
CHRIS DONAGHUE, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: I do. I think number one, we cannot be afraid of anxiety and having ourselves challenged and expand it. That
is how we learn. That is how we grow. But, I also want to call out -- I want to make sure that we are looking at the wording we are using and that
we are not using words that still oppress minorities of different kinds.
PINSKY: Chris, is not that horse completely out of the barn in terms of us watching our language?
DONAGHUE: Well, I think both --
PINSKY: I mean it is like I feel I do. And, I get excoriated by my kids. But, even my kids who just graduated college last year are looking back and
going, "Hey, I do not know what is going on with the next generation." They are out of college six months.
DONAGHUE: Drew, by listening to the language that they are using and how it is oppressing? In this case, I think they are being too sensitive. It
is OK to be uncomfortable as long as we are not talking about using words that oppress minorities.
PINSKY: Well, of course.
KAVINOCKY: I love -- love this guy.
PINSKY: Well, I want to give you some more of what -- Sam got some more of the outtakes from that letter.
SCHACHER: OK. Here is -- there is a number of excerpts. Here is one. "Anyone who dares challenge them, and thus makes them feel bad about
themselves is a hater, a bigot, an oppressor, and a victimizer."
PINSKY: Darren, my college professors made me feel bad all the time.
KAVINOCKY: Right.
PINSKY: All the time. And , I thought that was their job. They thought that was their job.
KANINOCKY: I do not know. Maybe you and I have a kinship here that I have been abused in exactly the same way. I love this guy. And, at the risk of
sounding like a grumpy old man yelling at kids, "To get off my lawn," I think kids need to hear the message that he is offering. And, I love the
vocabulary that he uses. They are probably going to have to resort to a dictionary to understand a little bit about what he is talking about.
MARTIN: No!
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. Areva, Areva, wait. One more. One more. All right, Sam, one more, then Areva.
SCHACHER: OK. One more. "This is not a safe place, but rather a place to learn. To learn that life is not about you. This is a place where you
will quickly learn that you need to grow up."
PINSKY: And, Areva -- wait, wait, wait. Areva, and that is what I keep hearing. I keep wondering, where is the end game for the college kids?
They want to feel safe. Is not that the campus security`s job, not the administration`s job?
MARTIN: Yes. I think this is backlash on professors. Professors are mad because these kids are organizing. They are calling out this micro
aggression. They are calling out some of the oppressive --
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PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. I am feeling -- My heart is hurting. My heart is hurting, Areva. You know, micro aggression -- micro aggression is
triggered -- No, Areva, you cannot talk like that.
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: No. I am saying, the students have called out micro-aggression, and now the professors, this is the backlash. This is the response to
students standing up for themselves. So, now, he is going to call them a bunch of cry babies because they stood up to them.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: I think it is two different issues.
KAVINOCKY: No. This is a non-safe space now.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: I think it is two different issues, because I do like it when the students do speak and they have a voice. But, I think in this issue,
it speaks to the larger issue that we see in a lot of the younger generation.
I see it in a lot of my younger peers. My mom has been an educator for 30 years. She has seen this shift. There is a lot of entitlement, where they
feel like that they get to -- they can get to the destination without having to endure the journey.
PINSKY: Natalie, you have 30 seconds.
FOSTER: Yes, absolutely. I mean when I heard what he had to say, my response was, "Finally, someone is saying this. Someone is standing up to
the ridiculousness that has been going on with all of this micro-aggressive rhetoric."
PINSKY: I talked to Alan Dershowitz about this and all things. And, he said -- he felt -- well, he felt the administration were being entirely by
not speaking up in this manner just asserting what it is that they are trying to do and not be fearful of open discourse. That is all. That is
what bothers me, is that the first amendment is under attack. I am really surprised, you are not giving me a micro aggression about that.
But, anyway, next, singer, Sinead O`Connor`s bizarre Facebook posts -- actually disturbing. I was really worried about her last night`s Facebook
post.
Later on, Donald Trump is demanding $5 million back from CNN in order to be in the debate this time around. We will see about that. Back after this.
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[21:09:24] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Back with top of our feed. "Top of the Feed," Irish singer, Sinead O`Connor rushed to a hospital after a suicide note on Facebook,
claiming to have taken -- already taken an overdose in that post. Back with Sam, Areva, Darren, Natalie and Chris. Fortunately, she survived this
episode, but she continued to post on Facebook. Sam, what do you have?
SCHACHER: Absolutely, tragic. So, it starts what she writes, "I have taken an overdose. There is no other way to get respect. I am not at
home. I am at a hotel, somewhere in Ireland under another name. If I was not posting this, my kids and family would not even found out. I could
have been dead here for weeks already, and they would never have known."
Then another post. "You are child-stealing murderers. I never want to see or hear from any of you again. Why were you here when you are the ones who
put me here and where the "F" are you now. Murderers, liars, hypocrites. All of you, you caused this."
PINSKY: What is she talking about?
SCHACHER: This is when she was finally committed into the hospital.
PINSKY: Oh, good.
SCHACHER: And, then lastly, "To my children and family. You came to the hospital to see me on life support. You left before I woke and you have
not been back. Come and tell me why this is all happening. To hear that you were here and left was agony. If you love me even a little, please
come and be with me and help me understand what is happening."
PINSKY: All right, Chris, I just hear extreme passive-aggressive
DONAGHUE: Yes.
PINSKY: Maybe, a borderline rage that we are looking at?
DONAGHUE: Yes, definitely borderline rage.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
DONAGHUE: This is someone that cannot regulate themselves.
PINSKY: Right.
DONAGHUE: Especially if they are taking to Facebook to get some outside social support around she is struggling with.
PINSKY: It is so --
DONAGHUE: She has such a long history of this. I cannot get a baseline to know how psychotic this might be or manic in comparison to her normal --
PINSKY: In other words, is this the way she always is or does she reconstitute?
DONAHUE: Absolutely.
PINSKY: I am going to bet she reconstitute. Let us face it, it is a suicidal crisis.
DONAGHUE : Absolutely.
PINSKY: And, it is a real life threatening overdose, which is appropriately taken to the hospital. But, listen, everybody, this is
serious psychiatric illness. Serious, serious, serious.
[21:15:05] KAVINOCKY: And, if anything, one hopes that this conversation and looking at this inspires some destigmatization of people who are
struggling.
PINSKY: Unfortunately, I am going to say -- people may not like me saying this. I am going to say, she is so passive aggressive in how she is
posting that it makes you feel like, "Come on," right? I can see where it would not work --
KAVINOCKY: You feel attacked.
PINSKY: Yes, you feel attacked. Right.
DONAGHUE: It is hard to feel comfortable leaning and maybe consoling someone --
KAVINOCKY: Yes, but --
MARTIN: And, I think so much of it feels personal to me. When I read those Facebook posts, it seems like she is having this war with her family,
her children and her friends.
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: So, I do not know if it will have that impact of elevating this --
PINSKY: Absolutely.
MARTIN: -- in terms of the mental health conversation that we keep hoping this country has.
PINSKY: Yes. Thank you.
KAVINOCKY: But here is my pushback is that is applying logical well reasoned thinking --
PINSKY: No. She is sick. I get it. Yes. No. No. I get it. But we are asking --
SCHACHER: It is Facebook.
PINSKY: But it is --
SCHACHER: But it points to the tool that Facebook is, because now more than ever, people are using Facebook as a journal entry, as a diary, and it
--
DONAGHUE: Because she is hiding out --
SCHACHER: Right.
DONAGHUE: -- and throwing this, you know, type of warning out there.
PINSKY: Yes.
SCHACHER: It is a call for help, though.
DONAGHUE: Call for help --
SCHACHER: But, people where able to intervene, right?
SCHACHER: -- but in a really protected way, where we cannot actually reach her necessarily help.
PINSKY: Right. It is what we call, "Help me if you can."
DONAGHUE: Absolutely.
PINSKY: And, then, of course, they set up so you cannot.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: There is nothing -- there is no winning in this situation. But, that is the rage. It is the borderline rage. Listen, there is almost --
The vast, vast majority of mental illnesses are highly, highly treatable. She should be treatable if she participates. Let us hope she does.
KAVINOCKY: Yes. We all have to participate in our own rescue.
PINSKY: There you go.
KAVINOCKY: -- at some point.
PINSKY: Next topic. A 57-year-old suspect on a deadly rampage at the Colorado abortion clinic. Question is, is he a domestic terrorist? Is he
a psychopath? Is it mental illness? All of the above? Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The initial charge is murder in the first degree.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (voice-over): Robert Dear appears by video in an El Paso County Courtroom. The 57-year-old wore protective vest and had
his hands cuff.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Do you have any questions about any of this, sir?
ROBERT DEAR, SUSPECT IN THE DEADLY RAMPAGE AT THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD CLINIC: No questions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Investigators say Friday, Dear opened fire in and around the Planned Parenthood clinic killing three people. The law
enforcement official says after the shooting, Dear mentioned, quote, "Baby parts." Prosecutors have not released the motive for the Planned
Parenthood attack, but we may find out more next week, when Dear is expected to appear in court again to be formally charged.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: He -- the man you are looking at there has a history of run-ins with the law, including accusations of animal cruelty, peeping Tom,
domestic violence. These are all accusations. There are reports he posted ads for discreet sadomasochistic sex. So, in my opinion, humbly, this guy
has features of a couple of problems. Chris, you seemed to agree with me on this.
DONAGHUE: Right.
PINSKY: He lacks empathy. He has hurt animals. He is anti-social at best and worst he is a psychopath.
SCHACHER: Wow!
PINSKY: And, he seems -- it seems like there is something that really escalated him recently. Whether there are drugs and alcohol or a mood
disturbance or bipolar --
DONAGHUE: It is always targeted towards women. His history of possible rape. His wife-beating allegations. He attacks Planned Parenthood, which
I think right now is ground zero of, you know, female sexual liberation of reproductive health.
SCHACHER: Yes.
KAVINOCKY: Well, what I find fascinating is I look at a lot of the comments online, where people are becoming aware of this pattern of ever-
escalating misbehavior, and the questions are like, "Why was not this stopped before?" And, I think what people need to appreciate and recognize
in the criminal justice system is we do not lock people up perspectively even though we may see this that it could happen.
PINSKY: Yes, but here is my problem and I will challenge both of you guys with this. And, Areva, you heard me say this many, many times.
Physicians, psychologists can prognosticate, but our ability to prognosticate is without teeth in the legal system such as this.
MARTIN: It is difficult, even when you see someone with all of his problems, to get him institutionalized and get the help that he needs and
to require him to be a part of his own healing.
PINSKY: Yes, but please let us be sensible about that.
MARTIN: Let me say this about this, what is disturbing to me, everyone is tipping around this concept of domestic terrorist, despite that laundry
list of offenses. They are describing him as a loner, as someone who has mental health. We never hear the word "thug". We never hear the word --
PINSKY: Go ahead, use it.
MARTIN: -- that we hear --
PINSKY: We are fine. You get the words you like.
MARTIN: -- when we are describing African-Americans. And, this guy is just the biggest offender, but yet we are not calling it out like that.
PINSKY: Natalie, is he a domestic terrorist?
FOSTER: You know, I think that word is pretty tricky, and I get frustrated when I hear the word "Domestic Terrorist" when it is used in this case, but
it is not used at Fort Hood. And, it is not used --
PINSKY: But to be fair, I mean people that are vulnerable are the ones that are sucked into domestic terrorist sort of cultish behavior, right? I
mean --
FOSTER: And, if I could go back to what you say about prognosticating. You cannot prognosticate, true, but you did not have to with this guy. He
had pre -- he had a history, a big string there. And, I am wondering why we never -- why the charges were dropped.
SCHACHER: Right.
FOSTER: And, why he was -- you know, of course, as a firearms person, a strong second amendment supporter, I am wondering why he was able to get a
gun when, of course, you know, he has a long history --
PINSKY: Which is the other issue with all of this, guys.
SCHACHER: Loopholes.
KAVINOCKY: Well, this is the fundamental problem and this is something that I have been yelling about the criminal justice system for a long time
is we tend to treat symptoms rather than underlying problems.
[21:20:04] And, in some respects, it is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, where you see this ever-escalating misbehavior. It is
never fully clinically addressed when people are punished because in the adult penile system, it is just about locking them up.
DONAGHUE: For instance, locking them up and it serves nothing.
PINSKY: Right. Got it.
KAVINOCKY: Unless somebody is deeply committed to making those changes, and this guy clearly is not somebody who is in that camp.
PINSKY: Think very carefully, everybody. Do you really want law enforcement and the criminal justice system to be the mental health
delivery system in this country?
DONAGHUE: No.
PINSKY: And for --
DONAGHUE: And, it is racist too, right now.
PINSKY: Absolutely.
DONAGHUE: There is a lot of racism in this.
MARTIN: Right.
PINSKY: It is a catastrophe. And, it has been a slow-moving catastrophe. It is contributing to the homeless issue. It is contributing to people
getting guns, who should not. It is contributing to doctors being unable to do their job, and it is contributing to all these stories we keep
reporting in the news. I am getting sick of it, but here we are again.
Next up, Donald Trump`s critics hit hard, and he hits back, of course. And, we will tell you why he wants $5 million from CNN. And, we will hear
what one of his cohorts, our friend, Omarosa. Back after this.
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[21:25:00] DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There is only way you get to the top, and it is all through Trump. Let us face it.
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JEB BUSH, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt to see how the campaign unfolded. But if you listen to him talk,
it is kind of scary to be honest with you, because he is not a serious candidate.
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TRUMP: Governor Bush, I mean honestly --
AUDIENCE MEMBERS: Boo!
TRUMP: It is over.
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TRUMP: Lindsey Graham, disaster. Christie has not hit me yet.
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CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am really glad that Donald noticed me. That is so nice. And, I am happy to take any observations he
has, even if he can only do them in 140 characters or less.
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TRUMP: Bernie Sanders, our crowds --
AUDIENCE MEMBERS: Boo!
TRUMP: You know he had an operation today. I think it was a hernia operation. You know why? Carrying around too much tax problems.
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PINSKY: Just weeks before the first presidential primary, no one would have thought Donald Trump would still be -- not just in the race but the
front-runner. But, of course, Donald Trump, he would disagree. He felt he would be here and he is going to win.
Back with Sam, Areva, Darren, and Natalie. And, joining us now Ernie White, Civil Rights Activist. No matter what he says or who he offends, he
is still that front-runner. And, Ernie, although Mr. Trump agreed that he would probably be here, I think you were one of those people too. You
called it out in the beginning. You said, "No, this guy is serious. He is here for the long haul."
ERNIE WHITE, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: I have been saying it all the time, that he is the guy that the establishment hates. As a matter of fact, it
seems like everybody hates him. The republicans hate him. The democrats hate him. The media hates him. But, the people love him because he is,
actually, speaking his mind. He just says what he wants to say. And, I think people find that refreshing.
PINSKY: And, Natalie, you are nodding your head, yes.
FOSTER: Well, I agree that is why he is so popular, but I am not a fan. He is not my guy for sure, as a staunch conservative. I think he is a
joke. And, I do think he has served his purpose, and --
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. A joke? He is not a joke because he is in the front-runner position in the party. But, my question is, drill in on what
is -- are you afraid of him?
FOSTER: No.
PINSKY: Are you afraid he could be your candidate?
FOSTER: You know, here is the thing. If he is the candidate -- if he is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for him because anything is
better than what the other side has right now. But, you know, I just really do not see him as a strong candidate. I do not think he is a good
leader for our country at the moment, I think.
PINSKY: OK. Areva?
FOSTER: You know, we talked about all the categories of people that he has attacked. We can go through the Muslims, Latinos, African-Americans.
SCHACHER: Women.
MARTIN: And, now disabled people -- women. The media. This guy just -- I have just never seen someone self-destruct so -- and these people, Ernie,
that you say love him. You have to look at who these people are. Because if you look at even your staunch conservative seatmate, she is saying he is
a joke. So, I do not think it is a fair characterization to say all of these people love him.
PINSKY: Now, he met with a group of African-American pastors hoping to win an endorsement or thinking it was an endorsement by meeting with them.
Take a look at this.
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TRUMP: I saw love in that room. I see love everywhere I go.
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REV. JAMAL BRYANT, DECLINED INVITATION TO TRUMP MEETING: I vehemently oppose the candidacy of somebody who has been outlandishly offensive to
every minority group in the country.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: He is not a racist. He has provided more jobs for minorities, for Mexicans, for African-Americans. He is exactly what
not only the African-American community needs but what America needs.
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PASTOR DARRELL SCOTT, MEMBER OF THE BLACK CLERGY: Nobody in this meeting came out with a negative reaction in any kind of way. Everybody came out
positive. It is a great atmosphere. A great spirit in the room, and everybody in that room likes Donald Trump.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Joining me on the phone, whom we just saw to Mr. Trump`s right there, our left, Omarosa, former contestant on "The Apprentice." She is an
ordained minister who attended Trump`s meeting with members of the black clergy.
So, Omarosa, the gentleman who was just speaking, he was there with you with Donald Trump. And, he said no one came out with any sort of negative
feelings. And, yet negative feelings followed him out onto the media. What happened?
(LAUGHING)
OMAROSA MANIGAULT, FORMER CONTESTANT ON "THE APPRENTICE" AND ORDAINED MINISTER: First of all, hi, Dr. Drew, and I miss you, guys. I am here in
D.C. doing some work on the Hill at the Howard University. But, let me just say this --
PINSKY: Well, hang on. You can stop right there. And, whenever you are back or even if you want to just talk to us from there, we are interested,
because you are right there at ground zero and we would love to get your point of view. So, please, go ahead.
MANIGAULT: Absolutely. Let me just say this. No other candidate on the democratic side or republican side has offered to sit down and have a
dialogue with black clergy about what is happening in the black community. He sat for 2-1/2 hours and talked with 100-plus black ministers. Let us
just acknowledge that first.
PINSKY: Well --
MARTIN: That is absolutely untrue, Omarosa. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have been meeting with African-American leaders throughout their
entire campaigns. And, he sat down with those 100 black ministers after tweeting this horrific statistic about African-Americans and crime.
MANIGAULT: Areva, your information is so incorrect.
MARTIN: So, those of us who were not in that meeting have a lot of issues with those ministers --
MANIGAULT: Because this clergy meeting is actually --
MARTIN: -- who have sit around that table and not challenge him on his racist policies towards African-Americans.
SCHACHER: Yes, Areva. Yes.
PINSKY: Omarosa.
MANIGAULT: Areva.
PINSKY: Omarosa.
[21:30:00] MANIGAULT: Areva, you are welcome to come to my church and scream and shout all you want. That is where the Holy Ghost is. But, on
this show it is important to get facts.
PINSKY: OK.
MANIGAULT: And, this is actually the fifth meeting that Trump has had with black ministers. He did not just plan this meeting after the tweet, Areva.
So, your information is completely incorrect.
MARTIN: That is not what I said.
PINSKY: Well, but, Omarosa --
MANIGAULT: That is what you said. That he only organized this meeting after the tweet.
MARTIN: That is not what I said.
PINSKY: But why does he -- the people in the room, it sounds like, had a fairly positive experience. My question is, why does Areva take issue with
that? Why does the world sort of say it was controversial? Why does the negativity spin out of a meeting --
MANIGAULT: I think Areva is probably doing what other democrats are doing. You know, they want us to just check the box for democrat and just de facto
give our support to democrats.
PINSKY: No. Omarosa, Omarosa, I want to interrupt you.
SCHACHER: There are conservatives too. He is very divisive.
PINSKY: Even Natalie -- we have conservative here.
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MANIGAULT: -- democrats anymore.
PINSKY: And, people are saying that -- people believe he is divisive. They believe he is attacking minority groups. And, why do people believe
that?
MANIGAULT: Well, I think that it comes down to tone. And, in this country, we have gotten down to this either you are a racist or you are not
discussion. And, I think it is deeper and much more sophisticated now than that. We have to move away from this argument of, that person is racist,
that person is not.
It is about tone. And, it is about how you communicate about certain groups. And, Donald Trump has not always struck the right tone.
Particularly, with his announcement about illegal immigrants, for instance. About this tweet that Areva alluded to about Black Lives Matter or about
statistics in the black community. So, it comes down to tone. That is what people are reacting to.
PINSKY: Omarosa, hold on one second. I have to take a break. But, I am going to give Ernie a chance to ring in this too. I think that is an
interesting a little take on this, right?
WHITE: Well, like what she just said, it is just tone. It is just the way he talks.
PINSKY: Well, but it comes off --
WHITE: But, he talks like a guy --
PINSKY: We talked about micro-aggression a few minutes ago. Those are micro-aggressions --
WHITE: But, back to what I was talking about. I just watched him last night, and he talks like a guy, who is just sitting there, talking to a
group of people, just hanging out, talking to you. He even asked the crowd, he says, hey, --
PINSKY: But that is what is under attacking college campuses right now.
SCHACHER: Wait. You guys are saying it is tone when you call someone a name, when you call someone stupid, when you marginalize a group of people?
WHITE: OK. Again, he talks about --
SCHACHER: You can say it in a nice tone or you can say it in a bad tone. He is a bully.
WHITE: He talks about illegal immigration.
PINSKY: Wait.
KAVINOCKY: That resonates --
PINSKY: Ernie -- Omarosa, hold on one second. Ernie, we got to go to break. Quick.
WHITE: He is talking about illegal immigration. He is talking about the black unemployment rate being over 50 percent. This is not just tone.
This is truth. And, this is what we are tired of as citizens. We are tired of this.
PINSKY: All right. The conversation continues. Later on, we will look at a mall brawl on black Friday. We got the video. There it is. God, it is
like --
SCHACHER: America.
PINSKY: There we go. Back after this.
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[21:36:53] TRUMP: The media is very dishonest. Unbelievably, dishonest. I could leave this scum back here at the press alone. I do not need them
anymore. They are garbage. No, they are scum. All they do is they show these little snippets.
They do whatever they can to make you look bad. So, what I am going to do, I am not going to tell anymore jokes. I am not going to kid. Oh, you want
me to? You want me to? OK, so I will.
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RENEE PLUMMER, REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST: People want to be him. You know, they want to have that success.
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BUSH: Misinformed at best, and preying on people`s fear at worst.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: They say that Trump can do almost anything. And, nobody leaves me.
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PINSKY: Well, it seems the way it is going, and he is still presidential front-runner. That is right. You want to say something?
KAVINOCKY: Well, yes. I mean it is amazing to me that the patina of authenticity resonates with people so much that because he appears to be a
straight talker, he is pulling the numbers that he is, and it speaks to I think a hunger that people are ready to be spoken to plainly. I do not
know that this is what is actually happening here, which is why I say it is the patina or the appearance of plain talking.
PINSKY: What is the matter, Areva? What is the matter?
MARTIN: Well, the plain talking, we just heard the man call someone garbage --
SCHACHER: And scum.
MARTIN: And, scum.
PINSKY: No, not anybody, us in the media.
MARTIN: Well, yes. All of us in this room are garbage and scum. So, that is plain talk to you?
KAVINOCKY: No. I think that his --
PINSKY: Even Ernie maybe.
KAVINOCKY: -- willingness to speak in a way that is apparently authentic, to be able to call out truth --
MARTIN: Darren, authentic? Let us call that what it is. It is racist. It is sexist. It is bullying. It is not authentic.
KAVINOCKY: I think you are missing my point. I think it is that, there is --what you cannot deny is that there is a hunger among the American people
for a message that appears to be plain and he is delivering the appearance of --
PINSKY: Darren, it is strangely --
SCHACHER: He is capitalizing on that.
KAVINOCKY: Yes, I agree on that.
PINSKY: -- in a weird emotional way, it connects to the story we reported a few minutes ago about the college professor taking aim at the --
KAVINOCKY: Yes.
PINSKY: It feels like the same phenomenon in the same kind of way.
MARTIN: But, I think you are all over generalizing and you are suggesting that the American people -- we are talking about the GOP party, we are
talking about a small percentage of all the people that are going to vote - -
KAVINOCKY: But the data does not lie. I think, you know, he is getting a significant percentage of that.
PINSKY: All right, let me talk about something else he is claiming. He claimed there were thousands of people cheering when the world trade center
fell on September 11th.
SCHACHER: Right.
PINSKY: Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And, I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people
were cheering as that building was coming down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHRISTIE: It is wrong. It is just wrong. It is factually wrong.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: Well, I think what he is doing is exaggerating. Right? People were celebrating. He is right about
that. We had pockets of celebration. Some in Queens. Some in Brooklyn.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN HOST OF "NEW DAY" PROGRAM: How many people?
GIULIANI: 10, 12. 30, 40. There must be some tape of it somewhere. If it shows up, it will corroborate him. If it does not show up, it is going
to make him look really bad.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: So, Natalie, now we are hearing that people are calling him a liar. He was not lying. Now, he is exaggerating.
[21:40:00] FOSTER: Right. Mr. Trump is prone to hyperbole.
PINSKY: Hyperbole.
FOSTER: He is prone to hyperbole, for sure. And, I was not sure if he was referencing people in the United States or overseas, because I remember
seeing these tapes too, the footage of people celebrating --
PINSKY: I remember it here. I remember in the outskirts of New York City, but I remember a few people here and there and thinking how weird.
FOSTER: Yes.
PINSKY: But, Ernie, could he regain the sort of high ground on this if he were to go, "You know what, it seemed like thousands. Even if there were
two, it felt like thousands to me. And, so, I remembered it absolutely wrong, but I remember seeing it. And, it affecting me as though there were
thousands of people mocking it."
WHITE: You know, it could be something like that, because when 9/11 happened, and I watch T.V. just like everybody else did, and I saw it
looked like just hundreds of people just from different countries --
SCHACHER: Oh, OK. We need to stop this nonsense --
WHITE: But, it is from different --
KAVINOCKY: If we are willing to accept it --
SCHACHER: It is so dangerous and we are so used to Donald Trump apparently being a straight shooter. No. B.S. He constantly is being called out for
offending people, for lying, for exaggerating. And, then guess what happens? He does not take ownership. He does not take accountability. If
he did, I would have that much more respect for him.
PINSKY: Would you? If he said something like that -- You would be OK with that, if he said --
SCHACHER: I would have respect for him. I am not going to vote for him, but I would have respect for him.
(LAUGHING)
WHITE: But, what he was talking about seriously, he was talking about the Syrian refugees. He was talking about the fact that ISIS has said, they
are going to embed people, who are coming -- they are going to embed people in the refugee status.
SCHACHER: Fear mongering.
WHITE: It is not fear mongering.
SCHACHER: Yes, it is.
MARTIN: Tell me what he said. You are translating. That is not what he said.
WHITE: If you watched the whole speech, he was talking about Syria. And, then he talked about --
SCHACHER: The millions of refugees who could be you or I who are also victims of terrorists?
KAVINOCKY: But, let us not collapse the issues. One is the danger that ISIS poses and the real -- and that real life issue. And, then the other
is, what is the behavior that we expect from a presidential candidate?
WHITE: But what do we expect from our government to protect us? And, right now, I think the people feel we are not getting any protection.
Because, right now, congress is down there talking about another omnibus bill with $1.25 trillion --
SCHACHER: Do you know how difficult it is to be refugee?
WHITE: -- the republicans and democrats are having a great time --
SCHACHER: Hold on. Do you know, how difficult -- They have to have retina scans. They have to have their fingerprints taken. It takes 12 to
18 months.
WHITE: But, we do not know who they are.
PINSKY: All right. Let me discuss another -- let us show you another piece of tape where he is under fire for appearing to mock a reporter --
speaking of mocking -- reporter apparently with some physical disabilities. Take a look at this .
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Now the poor guy, you got to see this guy, "I do not know what I said, uh, I do not remember."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL COHEN, DONALD TRUMP`S SPOKESPERSON: Mr. Trump is not the type of individual that is going to make fun of somebody`s disability. He would
not know this guy prior to this entire nonsense.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST OF "THE LEAD" PROGRAM: But, we just saw him do it.
COHEN: He does not --
TAPPER: We just saw him make fun of his disability.
COHEN: He was not making fun. He was being gesticulate, which Donald Trump is and he was basically showing the exasperation of a reporter that
is pulling back on a story.
TAPPER: "He was a nice guy." And, then he said, "You got to see this guy." And, then he twists his arms to mimic the disability.
COHEN: He was not twisting his arm to mimic anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And, Mr. Trump insists he was not insulting that reporter. He is demanding an apology from media who has said that he was. So, was he just,
you know, saying sort of -- claiming a panic attack and chose a pose that was unfortunate? Natalie, no?
(LAUGHING)
WHITE: What I can say is this. Every speech he makes, he talks about the media. And, he points back there and says, they take one lie and make a
big story out of it. He says they never pan and show his whole audience.
Every time he speaks, he makes fun of the media. So, I do not know if he was really making fun of one reporter or making just fun of a whole system.
I really do not know, if he was talking about that one reporter.
KAVINOCKY: If you look at the tape, who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or what he said?
WHITE: Unfortunately --
KAVINOCKY: He is making fun of a reporter. You can see it. He should at least own that, and then you can respect he is at least willing to own the
truth.
MARTIN: He does not own anything. That is the problem. He will never apologize, and he will never say he made a mistake. But, yet we want him
to be the president of the United States.
SCHACHER: What a great example.
PINSKY: He is owning a price tag for his participation upon the debates. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: But, how about we do this with CNN? I will not do the debate unless they pay me $5 million, all of which money goes to the wounded
warriors or go to vets. Seriously. Seriously.
(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)
TRUMP: I would love to do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And, then we are flush with cash like this. They would love to do it to, give money to Wounded Warriors. Just because Mr. Trump may --
may add to the ratings of the debate, I do not think, Natalie, we are going to see anything from CNN in the near future --
FOSTER: You do not?
PINSKY: -- in terms of free cash.
FOSTER: Nothing like the price of a Super Bowl ad. I mean he brings the viewers. He does. I think that is why they tuned in, in record numbers to
bring him to the primary.
KAVINOCKY: If it was going to the Wounded Warriors, for sure, they would tune in.
SCHACHER: I love the donation aspect, but let us be real. Should not his incentive be to participate in a debate to address the issues, to address
the audience to try and earn our votes?
KAVINOCKY: Now you are talking crazy.
(LAUGHING)
FOSTER: There are so many debates, you know. There is really no incentive to do that.
[21:45:00] MARTIN: He is just confirming what we already know. He is a reality star that is capitalizing on his ability to be a showman. So, what
do reality stars do? They get paid.
KAVINOCKY: And, maybe get elected.
PINSKY: All right. We are going to leave it there.
Store fights, mall fights. Brawl-Mart. No shortage. And, we got the holiday edition, the black Friday edition. There it is. Back after this.
(MUSIC PLAYING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook, and/or Instagram feeds. It is Darren?
KAVINOCKY: Drew, I saw this on Facebook. I am thinking Santa may have just added three names to his naughty list.
PINSKY: Oh-oh.
KAVINOCKY: These are them. This trio reportedly allegedly shoplifted $1,800 worth of clothing from a Dillard`s in Georgia. And, their attempted
getaway was caught on dash cam. So, here we see it. Cops chasing them at speeds of up to 100 miles per hour.
[21:50:00] PINSKY: Oh, no.
KAVINOCKY: But, they called off the chase due to rain.
PINSKY: Oh, man.
KAVINOCKY: And, just when they backed off and you see here the shoplifters hit a retaining wall. They spun across all four lanes of traffic and they
crashed on the side of the highway. And, now you see them making a run for it. And, two of them are running across traffic.
PINSKY: Oh, no.
KAVINOCKY: Cops have now caught all three suspects. They are all now in jail, charged with several felonies, including fleeing and evading. And,
were not we just talking about sometimes it is the cover-up that is worse than the crime? Started shoplifting and now you got these felonies. And,
it is terrible lives in danger.
PINSKY: Think about Darren in no cuffs. I think people need cuffs. I think people need cuffs. Areva, what have you got?
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: Well, I have a happy story. They are not taking anything. They are actually giving a whole lot. So, this news went viral today. Facebook
founder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Patricia announced the birth of their new daughter, Max. Beautiful baby they had today.
No surprise, it was posted to Facebook. But, here is a big announcement. It took the form of a letter to Max. They wrote a letter to their daughter
in which they promise, get this, to donate 99 percent of their net worth or $45 billion to charity over the coming years.
So, they want to help improve the world and help improve the lives of children. We are going to hear a lot more about their announcement. And,
they are following in the footsteps of Bill Gates.
PINSKY: Gates. Yes.
MARTIN: You know, he has been involved in clean energy. He has been giving to education and so many other great causes. So, what better day
than today, which is Giving Tuesday, or the national giving day to announce this.
KAVINOCKY: Love it.
MARTIN: So, thank you, Max, for being born. Thank you, Max for having these generous parents, because they are going to gift a lot of children.
SCHACHER: Yes.
KAVINOCKY: Well done.
MARTIN: So, just a great heartwarming story.
PINSKY: Max, you are on your own.
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: $45 billion.
PINSKY: By the way, do the math. I think that steal leaves a billion or so over for Max. He will be fine. She? She?
MARTIN: She.
PINSKY: She will be fine.
MARTIN: Little baby Max.
PINSKY: Sam, you have something crazy.
SCHACHER: I have an awesome story. In fact, I am sure people have been tweeting you, Dr. Drew, all week. So, we have Adam Sandler, his famous
Hanukkah song. There is a new version. He performed it in San Diego. And, there is some new names. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ADAM SANDLER, COMEDIAN: Jared from Subway. Goddamn it, a Jew! You go guess who is Jewish and can fix him? "Love Line`s" Dr. Drew. Get on it,
doc!
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: No, we got to hear the song. Do not you guys have any of the song?
MARTIN: All right, Sam.
PINSKY: I mentioned that if you guys have any of the song, we could get it sent. People who do not know the Hanukkah song. Well, I have no idea what
that was.
SCHACHER: I know. Areva wanted me to breakout thing, but trust me, you do not want to hear me sing it. But, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY (singing): It is a Hanukkah --
SCHACHER (singing): Hanukkah -- nanikkah --
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: If you guys do not find a piece of it, we are going to keep singing it out here.
SCHACHER: But, you know, this is what is huge, Dr. Drew. And, he put a mission on you. Adam Sandler said that you have to now handle it. Get to
it.
PINSKY: Oh, I got to go fix Jared?
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: As we have said many times in this program, Jared is not a fixable case. I am sorry, Adam. I would love people to be fixed. I can fix cases
not even like that, but there is some we cannot fix. This one is not a fixable situation.
SCHACHER: At least he is locked up. 15 years. He is locked up now.
PINSKY: Exactly.
MARTIN: OK. Next time the song, Sam.
SCHACHER: You still want me to sing? Trust me, girl. You do not want me to sing.
PINSKY: All right. Next up, another brawl at the mall. This one on black Friday. Check it out. Back after this.
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[21:53:55] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: Well, my "Click Fix" is brought to you by black Friday. It is historically a dangerous day. It resulted in this outbreak in none other
than a food court. This is not a food fight. This is in Kentucky. And, this is for real. Let us take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(MEN FIGHTING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Joy to the world, charity to all. Goodwill towards men. Oh, people in the spirit. Now, you see the two young men separated by a
security guard. It is not known what they were fighting over. But, I think there is a chalupa over there in the corner that one of them really
wanted. It is Kentucky. You like chalupa? So --
SCHACHER: The day after giving thanks.
PINSKY: I know. Listen, the stuff, the amount of aggression, guys, we can all agree on this. And, this is kind what upsets you about Mr. Trump, too,
is the bullying and aggression. There is a lot of aggression, in the name of even being P.C.
That is why I was talking to you about South Park before the break -- during the break, is even the P.C. Principal is a bully. Everybody is
bullying each other. Everybody, think about that. Connection. Really. Love for your mankind. They do not mean keeping it from micro-aggressions
by being a bully. Reminder that we are on Snapchat. Do you want to say something real quick.
KAVINOCKY: It is just amazing how the holidays can bring out just the absolute best in people and then the worst. And, it is just great to see
such an example of it.
PINSKY: Our Snapchat, you can join us at DrDrewHLN. Of course, you can DVR the show, then watch it any time. We will have an audience joining us
tomorrow. We appreciate you all watching. I appreciate our panelists and also those who participated with us this evening. It has been an excellent
show. We will see you next time.
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