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Donald Trump Still Leading In Polls Despite Controversial Plan To Ban Muslims From Entering U.S.; New Details About the San Bernardino Terrorists; Did Killers` Families Know More Than They Were Letting On? Aired 9-10p ET
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[21:00:08] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Good evening. Donald Trump still leading in the polls despite having taken a beating for his plan allegedly
to ban Muslims from entering the United States. Take a look at this.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our
country`s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
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JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: What Donald Trump said yesterday disqualifies him from serving as president.
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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R-SC) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He is a race baiting, xenophobic religious bigot.
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REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Not what this party stands for, and more importantly, it is not what this country stands for.
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CARLY FIORINA, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump always plays on everyone`s worst instincts and fears.
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GRAHAM: And, you know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell.
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PINSKY: Joining me, Leeann Tweeden, Social Commentator. I also have Areva Martin, Attorney and Legal Consultant; Maz Jobrani, Comedian, author of
"I`m not a terrorist but I played one on T.V." and Andy Dean, former contestant on "The Apprentice." He has worked for Donald Trump for almost
seven years.
(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)
The White House has on the record saying that Mr. Trump`s comments disqualify him from running -- being president -- Areva, running for
president. Areva, is that factual?
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: Absolutely, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: It is factually true.
MARTIN: Constitutionally, you cannot be the president of the United States unless you take an oath, a pledge to uphold the constitution.
PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait. What happened to FDR?
MARTIN: And, this is --
PINSKY: What happened to FDR? He should not have been president? Hang on. Was he disqualified for being president because he did something
horrible in our historical past?
MARTIN: You know what, Dr. Drew, everyone wants to talk about what FDR did and what happened decades ago in this country. But, as we know more, we
are expected to do better. So, let us not go back into history. Let us talk about today.
Today, we know it is discrimination. It is racist. It is bigoted to have someone say that because of your religion you cannot come in this country.
That is all that matters. We do not need to talk about FDR. We can talk about the bigotry of Donald Trump.
PINSKY: Andy, is that dialing us back or is it merely going to any lengths to protect us from an enemy?
ANDY DEAN, FORMER CONTESTANT ON "THE APPRENTICE: I think it is just the reality of what we are facing today. Because if you look, as you said, FDR
put a limit on immigration, Jimmy Carter in the 70s during the Iranian hostage crisis put a limb on immigration.
We were watching the Soviets during the cold war when they came into the United States. And, we have a problem with Islamic terrorism. The
president will not say the words. The problem was there. Trump is showing strength and it is very courageous for him to do what he is doing, and you
will see the people are responding. He is doing a good thing.
PINSKY: Maz, crazy?
MAZ JOBRANI, COMEDIAN AND AUTHOR: I think -- no, I do not think it is crazy. I think what he is doing is, you know, the unfortunate thing is the
reaction of his follows. When you heard people cheer there -- Today, in Irving, Texas, gunmen showed up to police a mosque.
PINSKY: Let me show them cheering. The crows, they did cheer as Maz`s saying when Trump suggested that we block Muslims from entering the United
States. Listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER (1): That is a very prudent idea and I think that he has done due diligence when he makes that statement. We have
to protect our American citizens first.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE TRUMP SUPPORTER: I do not want them here. Who knows what they are going to bring in this country. Bombs? ISIS? What? They
need to go.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TRUMP SUPPORTER (2): Somebody just needs to go in there and take control of this. I just think it is going rampant and I am
worried about America. Worried about our safety. They are getting in. They need to be stopped.
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PINSKY: So, there are his supporters doing what he tells them to do, profile. He is encouraging it.
JOBRANI: And, like I said, today, there was gunman that were patrolling a mosque in Irving, Texas. I mean this leads to direct racism to Muslims who
are good Muslims that are citizens of this country. We have Muslims in our military fighting for America.
So, for them to rally behind Trump is disgusting and it is hateful and more importantly, it is stupid. Because if he is saying we are going to ban
Muslims, well, then OK, you know what I am going to buy a cross, and I will put a cross on my chest and I will come in and say, "I am a Christian."
How are you going to test, who is a Muslim. It is stupid.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: And, he also -- Leeann, I know you like this topic. He says those who do not report, what he called, suspicious activity or -- you and I
talked about this a little bit during the break.
So, I will let you comment on this. The people who do not report suspicious activity are committers, in other words, according to him, they
are just as guilty as the perpetrators. Listen.
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TRUMP (via phone): Other people knew what they were doing. There were bombs, the pipe bombs laying all over the floor.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST OF "NEW DAY" PROGRAM: Right.
TRUMP: They had other people that knew what was going on, Chris, and nobody reported it. They used the excuse they did not want to be racial
profilers. They wanted to be politically correct. By the way, the people that said that I think in their own way, they are guilty. The mother knew.
The parents knew. Everybody knew.
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PINSKY: Leeann, there you go.
LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Look, Dr. Drew. There is no way that the mother did not know, lived in the house, right? I do not believe
that she did not know anything. As far as the woman who said, yes we have become so PC, Dr. Drew, that people are so afraid to say something. I mean
after 9/11 --
[21:05:01] PINSKY: Are they guilty by not saying something?
TWEEDEN: I do not think we are going to put them in jail. But, you know, I think when somebody says I am afraid of racial profiling and then 14
people are murdered in cold blood.
I think that, you know -- now she is on every talk show going, "I did not want to be a racial profiler." But, you know what? Why do not you call
the authorities. Call the cops. Tell somebody. Let them do it. You can call anonymously. Let them do it.
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MARTIN: You know what bothers me about this? Of course, if this mother knew something, we wish she would have taken some action. But, Donald
Trump just has a way of rewriting everything, even the law. We never heard him --
TWEEDEN: Hold on. Donald Trump is --
MARTIN: Let me finish. We have never heard him call anyone else a co- conspirator when white racist -- white extremists go into Planned Parenthood and shoot up the place, killed so many people, we did not hear
Donald Trump saying --
PINSKY: Absolutely.
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MARTIN: -- "Let us indict anyone that knew about his actions." So, now, all of a sudden the mom and all of these people should be co-conspirators.
That is not what the law says.
PINSKY: Areva. Areva, as it pertains to the Planned Parenthood perpetrators, should not they have been reported? If somebody knew
something, would not they be --
MARTIN: Well, if you are going to hold that to everyone, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: But, is not that true?
MARTIN: That is the problem. You can know that someone is going to go and to commit a crime. And, if you do not report that, you are not held
accountable unless you are a conspirator, unless you have done something to actively engage in that crime. There is no law that says you have to be a
good Samaritan.
PINSKY: I actually did not understand that. I thought if you had some real reasonable knowledge and believe something bad was going to happen,
you did not report it, you had some issue of commission --
PINSKY: I think you are thinking about yourself as a mandatory reporter.
PINSKY: No. I know that for sure as we do --
MARTIN: A psychiatrist --
PINSKY: Yes, as a licensed profession.
MARTIN: But, a regular person standing around saying, "Hmm, that person may be able to -- or going to commit a crime." You do not have a legal
obligation --
DEAN: Not if they are building pipe bombs in their house, you are absolutely wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about.
PINSKY: She is a lawyer. What are you talking about?
MARTIN: I am not wrong -- absolutely wrong on that.
DEAN: If somebody is building a pipe bomb, do not you think they intend to kill? --
PINSKY: But, how do they know?
DEAN: By the way, you know who is also responsible for this? It is President Obama when that Muslim clock boy in Texas brought what looked
like a bomb to school. And, Obama celebrated the boy as opposed to the authorities, who reported him. When you see something, you say something.
And, Obama had made it --
MARTIN: The clock bomb -- that was a toy.
DEAN: He made a politically incorrect to say something.
MARTIN: That was a science experience.
PINSKY: Listen --
MARTIN: The clock bomb that was a science experience.
DEAN: The authorities said something. That is the point.
MARTIN: So, now little Muslim boy should not be able to engage in the science experiment.
DEAN: When the system is working and Obama congratulated the wrong people. He is a bad influence.
PINSKY: Let us look at the boy that had what was a toy and he is now -- the people that saw something and said something -- I do not think it was -
- it was not a good expression of the see something, say something idea. But, now they are being sued for $15 million. So, everyone is like, "Oh, I
am going to lose my job and get sued."
TWEEDEN: Yes, that is it.
PINSKY: "I do not want to cross here."
JOBRANI: Here is the thing. First of all, the thing with the mother, listen, let the investigators investigate. We are already -- we are doing
a witch hunt. We do not know. You know as well -- I have lived with addicts. I know that people can hide things.
You have no idea until the kid kills himself or overdoses. You go, "What, you are doing drugs? So, the mother might have been living there. She
might not have known and maybe she did. Let us find out before we lynch her.
PINSKY: We are going to get into that in a little more detail later on in the show. But, you are right, sometimes the people closest are the last to
know. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: OK. I have two things to say.
TWEEDEN: Or they are in denial.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: One is that it really appalls me and scares me that there are so many supporters right now of Donald Trump.
And --
PINSKY: Well, let us examine that. Why do you think that is?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Ignorance?
PINSKY: Well, no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: People are not educated --
PINSKY: No. I think that is unfair.
TWEEDEN: I think that is unfair, too.
MARTIN: Really?
PINSKY: Yes. Would it be accurate to say that people are afraid?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Fear combined with ignorance?
(LAUGHING)
TWEEDEN: Can I say something about that?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: You are afraid of what you do not understand. And, I understand people being afraid of being targeted, being
blown up --
PINSKY: Are you afraid?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am not afraid.
PINSKY: I am. I am. So, I can understand how people could long for someone to go, "I got this. Do not worry about it."
DEAN: Exactly.
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MARTIN: Are you afraid of a white extremist, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Yes. I am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: The neighbor across the street from me, who had an assault weapon and my husband called the police to report
this man that carried around an assault weapon.
PINSKY: What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Nothing. They ignored him, and he put 11 bullets in his girlfriend. You know, he could have put it in
anybody, but they ignored him.
PINSKY: OK. I got to hear more details maybe off the air. Now, I am super afraid. Because -- but you are right. I am also afraid of
extremism. Listen, here is the thing I know. I am an expert in certain areas of my professional life. So, I know what it feels like to be an
expert. And, so, when I see -- I think what is going on in the world, it feels like an illness, frankly.
It is how I understand illnesses, except this -- let us call it a cancer or an infection. I do not have any experience curing things like this. So, I
am very uncertain. I feel afraid. I am looking for experts to help me understand how to get through this. And, I am not sure, who the experts
are that really know the answer. I think that is what we are all kind of struggling with.
Coming up, I got new details tonight about the killers. One of them, apparently, had been planning an attack perhaps three years ago. Back
after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Look at all of the bullet holes in the windshield. The left side, driver`s side completely blown out. This was a
very, very graphic shootout here.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: U.S. Officials say terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik had been radicalized for quite some time.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Farook not only interacted with the Americans being investigate by the FBI but also looked into contacting
terrorist groups overseas.
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KURT SCHLICHTER, ATTORNEY, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Well, you know, if he walks like a Jihadi, and shoots like a Jihadi, he is probably a Jihadi.
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PINSKY: Kurt Schlichter. CNN sources tonight report that one of those killers planned a different attack three years ago before even he had met
his wife. The network is also reporting that nearly $30,000 was recently deposited into a bank account belonging to Syed Farook. Back with Leeann,
Areva, Maz and Andy. And, Leeann, you have more information.
TWEEDEN: Yes, Drew. As you said, two weeks before they went on that rampage, November 18th, they deposited $28,500 into their account. They
said they got the loan from an online lender.
[21:15:06] PINSKY: Uh-huh.
MARTIN: What?
TWEEDEN: Now, you got to remember. He barely made over $50,000 a year, Dr. Drew. So, that was more than half of what his yearly salary was. And,
we are just learning now that half of that money, once he got it into his account went to his mother in three installments of 5,000 dollars. And,
then, they are looking into seeing if maybe $10,000 in cash that he took out went to the guy that supplied him his neighbor with the guns that he
got. But --
PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Wait.
TWEEDEN: The question looms, is this a suspect transaction?
PINSKY: Yes. So, you think maybe he is paying off the neighbor for getting the guns?
TWEEDEN: Quite possibly. They are looking into that.
PINSKY: Or this was getaway money?
TWEEDEN: You know, Dr. Drew, it does not seem like they were going to get away, because they had four hours to get away.
PINSKY: Yes.
TWEEDEN: Do you think, if they wanted to get away, they could have escaped. They came right back. They were within a mile. They did not go
anywhere. It seemed like they were ready for a battle.
PINSKY: Trump did tell CNN`s Chris Cuomo the $28,000 deposit was not a coincidence. He felt very much like this panel. Let us listen.
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TRUMP (via phone): Now, you have the problem in California, where a miraculously $28,000 just found in this guy`s -- just put into this guy`s
account. This horrible, you know, person, this killer, this maniac into his account. I have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what
I said, until our country is representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
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PINSKY: So, Areva, there he is doubling down. But he is saying -- Is he saying, you know, do it in a time limited way until we figure out --
MARTIN: Let us discriminate in a way that Donald Trump likes to discriminate. When the representatives get their act together. Well, let
us face it. His representatives of his own party, Andy, the speaker of the house, all of these major republicans have denounced what Donald Trump is
saying. So, even they recognize it is incredibly discriminatory and bigoted, this plan he has to not allow Muslims into the country.
DEAN: It is proof positive. It may not be good politics, but he believes in it, and he is courageous. And, I tell you who would support Trump`s
policies. Those 14 people that were slaughtered in San Bernardino, they would be much better off if that Pakistani terrorist, that wife, Tashfeen
Malik, under Trump -- if he is president, she would not have been in the United States coming from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
MARTIN: That is such a myopic and narrow --
DEAN: Those people might be alive today. So, I will tell you. OK. This is very serious stuff and this violence is actually happening. So, you
could shake your head.
MARTIN: It is so horrible.
DEAN: So, I think the problem is, they have not killed enough yet for people to take them seriously. They believe --
PINSKY: Well, Andy --
DEAN: Radical Muslims believe they will kill more and then what Trump is saying in the next year when they go into a shopping mall or a stadium, it
is going to make a lot more sense in the next year.
PINSKY: But, I think you are right in a way, is that we really -- I know, I, myself, correct me if I am wrong, this idea of being at war does not
feel like we are at war. It feels like something weird is coming our way, and it is hard to understand like a bunch of criminals or something. I
think we are in kind of a denial that this is actually a war, right?
DEAN: I agree.
MARTIN: I disagree with you, Dr. Drew. I do not think we are in denial at all. Everyone understands the threat of terrorism. We absolutely
understand it, but we do not allow that threat to cause us to discriminate against the largest religion on the planet.
PINSKY: No. I am with you.
MARTIN: That is just not right, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Listen. I am not --
MARTIN: And if it is Muslims today, it is blacks tomorrow, it is Latinos the next day. Where does it end?
PINSKY: Where it ends? It ends with people --
MARTIN: There is no end to the discrimination.
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PINSKY: Hang on. Would not it end with people that are saying we are going to come and destroy you and your society?
DEAN: Right. Thank you.
PINSKY: Does it end right there?
(LAUGHING)
MARTIN: But, how do you know who those people are?
JOBRANI: Thank you.
MARTIN: You are classing the --
PINSKY: Maz, help with that.
JOBRANI: The problem is that ISIS is trying to get us to make --
PINSKY: To do what we are doing.
JOBRANI: Muslims against Christian.
PINSKY: To do what we are doing.
JOBRANI: The same thing we did after the 9/11 when we went into Iraq. We were led into a war that ended up not being the right war. We now seeing -
- there was a lot of evidence, the things they were saying was not true. And, we lifted Saddam Hussein and we created the environment that exists
now. I am not saying that Saddam Hussein was a good guy.
But, I am saying we helped -- but my point is, we do not think -- a lot of people just say, let us go bomb them. Let us go -- it is a chess game.
Step back. What does ISIS want? ISIS wants us to divide and say no more Muslims, so then good Muslims then go, "Wait a minute, it is a war. OK.
You know what? I will help you fight this war, Islams" --
PINSKY: I will pick a side.
JOBRANI: -- Muslims.
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PINSKY: Yes. Leeann, let me ask you this. If Andy is right and more terrible things happen, do you think then we will end up adopting policies
like Trump is advocating in any way? Areva, it is not so funny. It could just happen.
MARTIN: Every law professor on the planet from Harvard to Yale said it is unconstitutional.
PINSKY: No. I get it.
MARTIN: You cannot do it, Dr. Drew.
TWEEDEN: Right. Look, I think what Dr. -- Dr. Drew, sorry. I think what Donald Trump does, what he is brilliant at doing is being the guy that
knows how to get the sound bites and get people to listen.
PINSKY: Sure.
TWEEDEN: People are like he is crazy. He is crazy. He is crazy. He is crazy. But, then sometimes they take in what he is saying. It is not that
you can actually -- You cannot just say, all Muslims cannot come into the country. It is not realistic. That is never going to happen.
PINSKY: But, maybe it is a bad thing.
TWEEDEN: No. Right.
PINSKY: It is bad that we are listening to all that -- which you are calling crazy, crazy, crazy.
TWEEDEN: No. But --
PINSKY: Maybe it is inciting in us bad feelings, bad intentions.
TWEEDEN: No, but I think what he is tapping into, Dr. Drew -- what Donald Trump can do, it is the sentiment of how people feel. People are so afraid
--
[21:20:00] MARTIN: Great point.
PINSKY: No, I get that.
TWEEDEN: But, nobody else is doing anything. President Obama is not doing anything. Congress is not doing anything. They do not know how to fight,
then you have somebody that is going, "Hey, listen. Let us ban everybody until we can figure it out." Whether that is right or wrong, it gets
people emotionally fired up to go, "Maybe he is on to something."
PINSKY: Audience.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: OK. First, I want to start by saying, you and Donald Trump are idiots. Areva knows the law, she has
practiced the law. How are you going to tell a lawyer, she does not know the law?
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DEAN: I consult her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Second, we cannot go around -- I am talking. Second, we cannot go around rounding up and keeping Muslims out
based on religion. What is next?
I mean it did not work when Hitler went in, rounded up the Jews. So, why are we putting all Muslims in that category. It is a racial profiling.
Should we live in fear? No. Should we be aware? Yes. But to sit up there and keep an entire religious group out because they are got
extremists, that would be the same as Hitler rounding up all of the Jews and persecuting them.
MARTIN: Absolutely.
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PINSKY: Well, hang on. All right. But, Areva, I would not say it is the same thing because at no point did the Jewish community go, "We are going
to destroy Germany."
TWEEDEN: Right.
PINSKY: "We are going to infiltrate and destroy it and started killing people."
MARTIN: But, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: That is why it is different.
JOBRANI: But, the Muslim community is not saying, "We are going to destroy" --
PINSKY: Let me ask this, Maz. This is something I am interested in. I do not know -- I just want to solve the problems. I do not care who would
solve it. I hope we do without staying as pure to our principles as possible. That would be the ideal way to do this, right? I feel like we
need the Muslim community to step up, and go "We will take care of this."
TWEEDEN: Yes. Agree.
PINSKY: "We have a cancer in our midst, it is a dealt cult, and we are going to take care of this with you, guys."
JOBRANI: A lot of the Muslim community -- a lot of the Muslim community has condemned this, right away.
PINSKY: I agree.
TWEEDEN: What else can they do?
JOBRANI: But, that is the question. What else can they do?
PINSKY: How about, do they have a PR problem? They need their own like Donald Trump. We got him --
JOBRANI: Listen. Listen, Andy was saying once they come and hit stadiums, that we got a problem. No. You know what? Andy, we do have a problem.
There are people using guns to kill people that are not Muslims, that are Muslims. There are all kinds. So, the problem is the gun situation.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
TWEEDEN: Do not even go there.
JOBRANI: And, trying to figure out how to keep -- No, no. How to keep the gun --
TWEEDEN: The gun problem is not the problem.
JOBRANI: No. No. How to keep the guns out of the hands of people that will do this. Switzerland --
TWEEDEN: They will just fly a plane into a building --
PINSKY: I like Switzerland.
TWEEDEN: -- with those little pipe bomb on.
PINSKY: Hang on. Hold on.
JOBRANI: -- going to fly plane in the building with you.
TWEEDEN: Come on.
JOBRANI: Listen, you are saying that Muslims -- but you are falling for Trump`s argument.
TWEEDEN: No. You are saying we got to get rid of the guns, and get them out of the hands of -- that people are going to do bad things, and they
will find a way to happen.
JOBRANI: There is mass shootings happening --
PINSKY: 9/11? That was two freakin` planes and a third one into the ground.
JOBRANI: Yes, I understand. So, you are saying that Muslim -- You are buying another thing that it is the Muslim we should be afraid of.
PINSKY: OK.
TWEEDEN: You are saying it is the guns. It is not the guns doing it either.
JOBRANI: Leave the guns. How do they kill people?
PINSKY: Let us do this. Here is the deal. I agree. We need to keep the guns out of the wrong hands. I think any rational people would agree with
that. Rational gun laws, I think might not be a bad idea.
Coming up, many including Donald Trump are convinced the killers` families knew more than they were letting on. We will talk about that as we alluded
to after the break.
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[21:26:58] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Farook`s father telling an Italian newspaper that his son was fascinated by ISIS and hated Israel,
telling CNN he and his son were divided on ideology.
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SYED FAROOK, FATHER OF SAN BERNARDINO TERRORIST, SYED RIZWAN FAROOK: All Pakistanis coming from the major cities are liberal people. OK. And, he
was going towards conservation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: He was going towards what?
SYED FAROOK: The conservation. You know, his views were conservative. My views were liberal.
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PINSKY: So, how much that Syed Farook`s parents know about their son`s radicalization. I am back with Leeann, host of "LA Today" on AM 570 IHeart
Radio. Also, Areva, Maz and Andy.
Joining us, Tim Clemente, former FBI Counterterrorism Agent. Now, before we get into this couple, I am starting to respond to the tweets that are
coming through at all of us. It is almost like, people are listening to different conversations that we are actually having.
TWEEDEN: Yes, it is weird. Yes.
PINSKY: Mine -- here is Kathleen saying, "I am a huge fan of yours, but I am disappointed with you tonight and your stance." Kathleen, respectfully,
I am not taking a stance at all. I am just trying to understand --
TWEEDEN: It is your opinion.
PINSKY: No. I do not have an opinion. I am trying to understand things. I am throwing out polemics. But, can we please get over this idea that by
having a conversation, we are somehow need to be repressed or stop talking?
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How the hell else are we going to understand things unless we come out and look at things from all of the different angles. I want to understand why
Donald Trump takes a position. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Are you an expert in international relations? Does anybody know what is going to
happen in three months? I have no idea.
I started this out by saying, I am an expert in medicine. I know what it feels like to be an expert. I have no idea whether what Donald Trump is
saying is a good thing or a bad thing or if our response to it is a good thing or bad thing. But, I sure as hell know we all better think about
this and talk about it. That is all I am saying.
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Now, Tim, thank you for joining us. The killer`s mother lived with the couple in the small apartment. Do you believe that she did not know what
was going on? Perhaps, it is by saying, plenty of people, oftentimes the family members are the last to know. Things are carefully hidden from them
or they can maintain denial, you know. We do that with our family. What do you say?
TIM CLEMENTE, FORMER FBI COUNTERTERRORISM AGENT: I would say at, at least it is denial and it is a very, very big denial. And, it is a problem we
have seen --
PINSKY: Do you think it is denial or lying?
CLEMENTE: Well, I think the problem of denial is something we have seen in all these terrorist acts for years and years now. People that are
associates, friends, co-workers of individuals see something that is a little bit suspicious, and after the fact they say, "He was such a nice guy
but."
There is always a but that somebody brings up. And, in the case of the 9/11 hijackers, you know, taking flight training and only wanting to fly
and not land, or take off. These are things that are mysteries.
PINSKY: Right. How do we train ourselves to recognize that "But." You know what I mean? I mean people -- we are all busy. We are thinking about
all other things. We go, "How weird that guy does not want to land the plane, he takes off. Anyway, what is the dinner?" You know, it is like,
we do not stop a thing. Is there a way we can train ourselves to pay more attention to this stuff?
CLEMENTE: Generally, there is a book that Dr. Gavin de Becker wrote about the "The Gift of Fear" and it is about how your body naturally reacts to
fear, even if you physically do not realize it is happening. Cognitively, you may not know but there is going to be the hair on the back of your head
standing up at certain times, react to that. Pay close attention to what you are feeling. What you may not know you know, you do know it.
[21:30:13] PINSKY: Well, Areva, you just reacted. What are you thinking.
MARTIN: Well, you know, I think as a professional, I understand what you are saying and I can understand how you would know what you know. But, I
can see just what you are saying, Dr. Drew. The average person is not necessarily going to be alarmed by these things that later turn out to be
signs. So, I do not know, that is a lot of pressure on individuals.
JOBRANI: Yes. You know, I have been reading a lot about people of Middle Eastern dissent getting kicked off of planes for either speaking Arabic or
doing something that seems suspicious. There was a guy on a Spirit Airline that was watching something on his phone that looked like there was
fighting going on. So, the lady went in and got him off the plane. They interrogated. It turned out, it was a Middle Eastern guy watching the
news.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
JOBRANI: They were just trying to fly. So, again, you are an expert. And, you know when to react. But, I think people also overreact sometimes.
That is when we check ourselves, we go, "I do not know, you know."
CLEMENTE: But, if I can respond to that, Maz. In that circumstance, I completely understand. I had a good friend, Walid Shater, who is an FBI --
or excuse me, a secret service agent on President Bush`s detail.
PINSKY: Yes.
CLEMENTE: And, on Christmas eve of 2001 was kicked off a flight. Now, in that case I would say, you know, Walid was offended by it. President Bush
was offended by it. But, in the end, the fact that somebody was suspicious of him, he was carrying a gun.
He had to go talk to the pilot to get on because he was flying armed. The fact that somebody alerted the pilot, alerted authorities to his presence
does not bother me. And, it really did not bother Walid after the fact. What bothered Walid was the pilot`s reaction to it.
PINSKY: Got it.
CLEMENTE: So, the fact that somebody was alerted, I am sorry, it might offending, but it is better than people dying.
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PINSKY: Audience. Use the microphone. Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I actually have a couple of comments if I may. I actually just retired as a flight attendant and I was working
9/11. And, shortly after that people treated me differently because they were not sure of what my background was and what my religion was.
My colleagues were asking me, "What religion are you?" And, isolating me because I might look like someone else. But, I also did want to address a
comment this gentleman made earlier. If it is that we are going to be prosecuting students for making science projects, why do not we prosecute -
- this is rhetorical.
Why do not we prosecute the people who put how to design a bomb on Google. Why can we go to internet and find out these things. Not to say that we
should sensor information either.
PINSKY: There must be a reason for that. Tim, do you have any idea why?
CLEMENTE: Well, the sources --
PINSKY: You cannot find them.
CLEMENTE: -- they are very hard to find.
PINSKY: Yes. And, Areva, is it illegal?
MARTIN: And, because it is illegal, Dr. Drew. All of these, you know, cockama -- you know these aggressive --
TWEEDEN: Because it is America.
JOBRANI: Cockamamie.
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MARTIN: Cockamamie. Thank you. All of these aggressive things that Donald Trump and his supporters want to do, they just are not antithetical
to the core values of America, antithetical to our constitution.
And, it is flat out illegal. And, you assaying, the guy on a plane, that bothers me as a constitutional lawyer. Because that is what happens to
African-Americans. That is just what happened to them in New York. It is called racial profiling, and that is illegal.
JOBRANI: No, it is not.
CLEMENTE: No. No. No. It is not.
JOBRANI: He had a gun.
CLEMENTE: He had a gun. And, someone saw the bulge under his jacket.
JOBRANI: Right .
CLEMENTE: And, saw it was a gun.
MARTIN: And, it was not because he looked like he was --
CLEMENTE: That may did not -- may not have hurt the matter in their mind. But, the point is -- the point is they saw a man with a gun --
MARTIN: And, if they treated the white guy with the gun the same way, I am fine.
PINSKY: Oh, my God. Yes.
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MARTIN: No. That is an issue. Usually it is the African-American.
JOBRANI: Oh my God.
MARTIN: Usually, it is the foreign. Usually, it is the Latino. It is not the white guy with a gun--
PINSKY: Wait a minute, Areva. This is going things too far. So, if a Smurf walks on to a plane with a gun, we are suppose to --
MARTIN: No. Absolutely. Absolutely. Anyone with a gun.
PINSKY: All right.
JOBRANI: Thank you.
MARTIN: But we are also talking about is racial profiling. And, oftentimes, it as not an obvious gun or something that is an obvious
correct to anyone. It is because of how she looks that he was asked those questions, not because she had a gun.
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PINSKY: Maz.
JORBANI: Listen, I fly a lot. I am a comedian. I fly all the time. And, when they want to search extra. I am like, "Great. Search me. Search
everybody. I want that."
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: Thank you.
JOBRANI: But, that said, the unfortunate thing happens when it leads to people using violence against people that look like they might be the wrong
guy -- you know, there was an Iranian American, who was recently killed in Huntington Beach, California, and there was racial stuff with him being
Middle Eastern that caused that. And, it turned out that the guy that did it was a white supremacist. So, what do you think came together?
PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. You got more to say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I just wanted to also say that if America was founded on principles like it is the melting pot and freedom of
religion and other countries are prosecuting and killing Christians for their choice of religion, is that what is to come for America?
PINSKY: No. I think we all agree that, that is the very thing we seek to avoid.
TWEEDEN: Right.
PINSKY: That is why we are having these conversations. It is really for me, it is like, I woke up in some other world. How is this happening to
us? But, it is happening to us. And, that is why we are trying to understand it. Good thing, bad thing.
[21:35:07] Coming up, we are hearing more from shooting witnesses. You are going to see what they are saying tonight. More after this.
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PINSKY: Are we at war?
BLOOM: Well, I think we are at war.
PINSKY: OK. If we are at war, the question becomes at what lengths are we willing to go to win in war, right?
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JOBRANI: I as a comedian, I have toured all over the Middle East and I know every Muslim I met. I have never met a terrorist.
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ALFONZO RACHEL, CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: It is not about hatred for love -- or hatred for Muslims or anything like that. It is about the
love of what we are defending.
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PINSKY: Profile behavior, not skin color. Exactly.
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RACHEL: Racism is delicious to a lot of people.
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PINSKY: Ugh. That is a scariest statement. But, we are back with new details about that massacre in San Bernardino last week. Leeann, Areva,
Maz, Andy and Tim all here with us. So, should we be afraid of being the victim of a terror attack.
[21:40:00] I said earlier that I was afraid, that I have -- I noticed that my sympathetic is up, we call it. My heart rate is up a little bit. I am
on alert all the time. So, I am not comfortable that I am in that way. But, I noticed maybe it is because we are in the news and we are talking
about it all of the time, but I am in that way.
So, when I said I was afraid, people were like, "What are you afraid about?" I am afraid because I feel helpless and I feel like it is a poorly
defined situation for me. I do not quite get what we are going to do, what I should be doing. Tim, can you help me?
CLEMENTE: Sure. The fact is you are far more likely to die in an automobile accident than you are an act of terrorism. It does not mean
that you forget about terrorism as a possibility.
PINSKY: Is that -- I think what is got us worked up, though, is we feel as though six months from now that, that --
CLEMENTE: That paradigm could change. It shifts very quickly.
PINSKY: That is the fear.
CLEMENTE: Because the problem is what ISIS has brought to this game is ISIS has said, "Do not come here and fight with us. Some that can will,
others please, where you are in place, do whatever you can. Kill whoever you can."
And, that -- that fatwa, will call it by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who is an Islamic theologist means a lot to some people, unfortunately. And, the
people that it means a lot to, could be anywhere, anywhere in the world. And, they are a small minute minority of the Muslim population, very small
minority. But they are a minority that can cause a lot of damage.
And, what happened last week at a Christmas party in an office of a county health department, you would think that is the most obscure place to be in
America, that you would be safe because you are among friends celebrating holidays. But, in fact those people were not in that circumstance. So,
vigilance, as I said. I mean, if you see something, not just the look of somebody, the behavior, other things that --
PINSKY: Yes, behavior. Report behavior. I think that is it. But, Areva, I of course value what you are trying to protect. I deeply value it just
the way -- I think the way you do. I mean, I know it is -- your career is about defending it. But, if somebody in your family gets killed by a
situation like last week, is that going to change --
MARTIN: That is a horrible situation. I actually through my nonprofit worked with individuals at that regional center. So, this really hit home
to me, because that was a developmental center. That was a regional center.
PINSKY: Yes.
MARTIN: And, you know, I worked with the developmentally disabled.
PINSKY: Yes.l
MARTIN: So, I was just horrified by that. And, nothing I am saying is to condone those acts of violence or terror. But, also, I am really concerned
about how people are playing into the fears. And, I think what you said is so important.
That was a Christmas party by a county employee, the most benign event you can imagine. So, let us round up all of the Muslims. That is not going to
work, because they are people that are in your neighborhood. They are your grocery clerk. They are just everyday people.
PINSKY: Of course.
MARTIN: So, we need a more thoughtful strategic approach to this than just drop bombs on everybody. That will not work.
CLEMENTE: I have been working characters. I did it with the FBI for more than a decade. I worked in the Middle East for years. I spent a lot of
time in the Middle East and our closest allies in this war and the only way we are going to fight this war and win this war is only with the Muslim
community.
PINSKY: Muslims.
TWEEDEN: That is right.
CLEMENTE: My best friends are Muslims.
PINSKY: No. That is right.
CLEMENTE: Those are the people I worked with.
PINSKY: I think that is right. And, Andy, you cannot disagree with that.
DEAN: I agree. The Muslims need to do a much better job in self policing their mosques, because if they do not, we are going to have to step in.
But, Dr. Drew, about the likelihood of dying, you are much more likely to die of a heart attack. But dying in a terrorist attack, being gun down,
not saying good-bye to your family, the fear that it is involved, it is a much worse death.
And, also, one thing we are not talking about is the 50 failed Muslim terror attacks since September 11, 2001, until now that have been stopped.
It sounds like these are one offs. There was a Boston bombing, Chattanooga shooting and San Bernardino. But, there are 50 others like the Time Square
bomber. The people are not talking about it. This is much for pervasive than people think. It is going to happen more.
PINSKY: And, I guess this guy was intending something a couple of years ago. I want to hear from the audience. Let us get this gentleman a mic.
Go ahead, Maz.
JOBRANI: Yes. I think what they were saying about -- what Tim was saying about, you are more likely to die in a car accident. When you put the seat
belt on, you feel like you got control.
PINSKY: You are right.
JOBRANI: It is not as random, right?
PINSKY: You do not feel as helpless.
JOBRANI: Yes. You do not feel as helpless.
TWEEDEN: You feel like you have some sort of control.
JOBRANI: Yes. So, I think what we really need to do, it goes back to what I was saying before. This is a chess game. We really got to think how do
we disarm the number one recruiting tool that ISIS has, which is --
TWEEDEN: Twitter.
JOBRANI: No. Open our arm to the good Muslims -- the Muslims that want to come to this country that make this country a better place. And, we say we
are here to support this community. We do not have a fight with the Muslims.
PINSKY: Yes.
JOBRANI: And, so, then they cannot use that to recruit people that are looking to join a fight.
PINSKY: Yes, sir.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: You know, I just wanted to go back to what you have said before when you asked why people are supporting Donald
Trump.
PINSKY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, I mean personally, I think that it is an attitude a lot of Americans have had since the `60s and going back,
now that they have a voice through Donald Trump.
PINSKY: What is the attitude? What is that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: It is the attitude of how Donald Trump is thinking that a lot of people did not want to come out and say what
Donald Trump is saying, but now that they have Donald Trump as like a leader.
They feel more comfortable with expressing how they felt about the attitude. You know, how he is saying that this is America, it is Christian
society, we cannot deal with Muslims, so let us separate ourselves from them and do all of that kind of stuff.
[21:45:08] A lot of people thought that way for a very long time. And, I think now Donald Trump has come out and said it. People are more verbal
about it. So, that is why you are seeing it more now than you did before.
PINSKY: Andy --
DEAN: But, that is not what he is saying.
PINSKY: Hang on a second. I know, that is what I was going to say. That is not what he said, but I believe what he is saying is what everyone hears
him say.
TWEETED: Right. He.
DEAN: Well, no. that is what I am hearing Donald Trump --
PINSKY: Well, no. No.
DEAN: But, that is how Donald Trump is saying.
PINSKY: No. I understand that, because I listen very carefully and I try to see what he is saying and what people are responding to. He does not
say anything like that but if that is not what he is saying, it is kind of what he feels and where he is going. You know what I mean?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Why is not he correcting these people then? The people following him?
PINSKY: He just doubles down.
DEAN: You know, but he just said Donald Trump wants to separate the Muslims from the Christians. He is talking about immigration and having a
pause on it, until we can figure out what is going on.
PINSKY: Right. He wants to pause Muslim immigration.
MARTIN: That is not right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He needs to stop saying Muslim specifically and say immigrants instead of using --
PINSKY: No. He said Muslim immigrants.
DEAN: No. He say Muslim immigrants.
PINSKY: He did say Muslim immigrants.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He needs to say all immigrants and stop using the term Muslims.
PINSKY: Andy, what about that, just curving all of the immigration for short period of time and not singling anybody out --
DEAN: Well, the issue is, is that, that acts of terror are being committed by immigrants who are Muslims.
PINSKY: Yes. No. I understand. But, what about just saying, "Hey, we are going to stop immigrants" -- He is willing to go to any length. Why
not go, "Hey, we are going to stop all immigration."
DEAN: I think that is on the table.
PINSKY: All right.
JOBRANI: And, what this gentlemen said about -- you are right, about saying he should correct what people are hearing. At his rally in New
Hampshire before any of this stuff went down, at his rally in New Hampshire, a guy got up and said there is a problem with this country.
PINSKY: Yes.
JOBRANI: "I am going to come out and say it. Muslims." And, Trump goes, "That is right. We are going to look into it." Next question.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Yes.
JOBRANI: And, I was like, "You cannot just legitimize that guy`s comment right there.
DEAN: Real quick. But, that is dishonest what you did. He did not say, "Oh, we are going to look into the Muslim."
JOBRANI: He said exactly those words.
DEAN: He said -- I remember the clip.
JOBRANI: He said, "We are going to look into it."
DEAN: When that happens, the training camps. We should play that back.
JOBRANI: Play it back.
PINSKY: Hold on.
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We are going to try to find it. We got to take a break. Be right back after this.
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[21:51:22] PINSKY: This guy had trouble meeting girls and his mom got worried about it and started setting him up with people and found this
woman.
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JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: She actually pushed him into this, because he was kind of a shy person. He did not really speak very often and so,
she told him, "Why do not you get on this Muslim dating site." That is where they met several years ago. He picked her up to bring her over here.
She entered the country on a K1 Visa, passed all of the Homeland Security tests for anti-terrorism.
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PINSKY: Have you seen the questions? Are you a terrorist? Have you ever been involved in a terrorist organization?
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HO: Right.
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PINSKY: That is it, guys. That is our screening procedure. And, we are talking, of course, about the San Bernardino shooting. Back with Leeann,
Areva, Maz, Andy and Tim. And, you know, we have talked a little bit about wanting -- listen.
We want everybody who is American to be in together on this, right? We do not want to start flying apart and splintering. Although, here it is and
we are all over the place today. That is why again I look at Mr. Trump`s comments. I go, good thing, bad thing? Obama`s comments, good thing, bad
thing. I cannot figure it out. I know that -- We seem to have a longing for a certain kind of leadership right now. You are smiling, Areva?
MARTIN: Well, I think people can figure it out. I am not buying it.
PINSKY: I am trying. That is why we are talking about it.
MARTIN: Not you. You are a bright intelligent man and you can figure it out. Some of the people that are applauding when they hear those racist
comments, those people really frighten me because I do not think they can figure it out. I think they are buying this bigotive speech--
PINSKY: I believe in Americans --
MARTIN: And, I do not know if they can.
PINSKY: Here is my -- I just realized I have something that I feel good about. I believe -- forget the fact that I have deep appreciation of our
system and our history, I believe in Americans. I believe in our citizens and I think we can figure it out. I believe in us.
We may not be behaving like, you know, like we will figure it out but I do believe in us. Now, one of the things all of us have been suggesting is
that, we want Muslim community to help us out too. A man who prayed with Farook at his mosque says, "It is difficult to know who is radicalized." I
mean we are asking them to help out, what do we want them to do? Listen to this.
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NIZAAM ALI, ATTENDED SAME MOSQUE AS FAROOK: We, Muslims, do not -- we do not know what a person does behind closed doors. We do not what he does in
his private life. We do not have access to his IP address to see his web history.
We do not know what type of people he was listening to, if he was being indoctrinated by someone in foreign country, teaching him some type of
radicalism or something along those lines. Had we, ourselves, known of such a thing, we would have been the first person to reach out to the
officials and warn them that this person here is threatening to do something.
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PINSKY: Now, Andy, I listen to that guy and I think he feels just like I do. So, what do you expect him to do?
DEAN: Look. I agree. And, I think that is an American there, just like any of us are Americans. But, we are talking about a larger issue that
Donald Trump thank God shined a spotlight on. And, that is the Muslim culture or values, especially in the Middle East that we need to talk
about, the one that celebrates --
PINSKY: Hang on. Andy, you said a tiny piece of the Muslim culture.
DEAN: No. No. No. OK. Look, it is a culture that does not allow women to drive in Saudi Arabia, that dresses them up like sock puppets, and they
throw gay people off buildings. No, this is very real, Drew. And, you may not want to talk about it and it makes you uncomfortable, but that is the
point of what Donald Trump is doing.
It should not make you uncomfortable. And, this is the accepted value system that we need to talk about. And, Maz is a great American, but if
you were telling some of these jokes in the Middle East, he would be thrown off of a building. So, he should be like on our side with this. That is
what I do not get.
JOBRANI: I am on your side.
PINSKY: Hang on. Hang on. Tim, I have 20 seconds. Wrap this up.
CLEMENTE: OK. The thing is that what this individual said, is the truth. You can tell it is coming from the heart. And, there is so many people
around the world believe that. Dr. Jassam has started a Muslim reform movement, where actually there --
PINSKY: That is today, right? It came out today.
CLEMENTE: Yes. And, they are going to bring this to Mosques to E-moms and to Muslims all around American saying, "Are you on this side, or on the
American side or to the Muslim world, on that side, that is ISIS?"
[21:55:07] PINSKY: All right. I got to wrap it up.
CLEMENTE: It make people force you --
PINSKY: We will be right back after this.
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PINSKY: All right. We have found the tape that Maz and Andy were fighting about, where you say that Donald Trump responds to a guy in the audience
and you both have your own memory of what exactly that tape was. We are going to address that tape in our after show.
We are going to play it. We are going to let this gentlemen listen to it. We are going to continue this conversation. You can see the after show at
our Facebook/DrDrewHLN. It is our Facebook page.
I want to thank you all for watching. If you DVR the show, you can check it out anytime. So, please do set up the DVR for us. Audience, thank you
for your participation. Panelists, thank you as well.
[22:00:00] This is not a topic that is going to go away soon. Again, let us keep talking. Let us try to figure it out. We got a lot of work to do
as a country. We will see you next time.
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