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There Has Been A Workplace Shooting In Hesston, Kansas, North Of Wichita; Trump`s Latest War Words With The Former President Of Mexico; Erin Andrews Breaks Down In Court As Her Battle For Millions Gets Personal. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired February 25, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:16] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW" PROGRAM (voice-over): Tonight, Donald Trump look out. An F-bomb is coming your way.
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VICENTE FOX, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO: I declare I am not going to pay for that (EXPLETIVE WORD) wall.
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PINSKY (voice-over): Has the billionaire met his match? Plus Erin Andrews breaks down in court as her battle for millions gets personal. Let us get
started.
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PINSKY (on camera): All right. And, we are beginning with some breaking news. There has been a workplace shooting in Hesston, Kansas, North of
Wichita. I want to go to Blake Spurney, reporter with the Heston Record. The Sheriff has just given a press conference. What did you find out?
BLAKE SPURNEY, HESSTON RECORD: Sheriff T. Walton has confirmed that four to seven people are dead including the shooter. At least 20 people are
injured, seven of them critically. Sheriff Walton said the shooter was an employee. And, he said law enforcement is processing at least four crime
scenes.
PINSKY: Meaning he went from place to place or this was all in the same building?
SPURNEY: The first shooting occurred about 5:00 P.M. at 12th and Meridian in Newton, which is about eight miles south of Hesston.
PINSKY: Wow.
SPURNEY: Another motorist was -- a man in a pickup truck was shot in the shoulder.
PINSKY: Oh my God.
SPURNEY: Another motorist was shot in a vehicle a couple of miles away. The shooter continued up the road and pulled into the XL industries plant,
shot someone in the parking lot. Then went into the plant where the shooter shot at least 20 people.
PINSKY: And, Blake any hint on motive?
SPURNEY: The Sheriff`s office is sending a team to the shooter`s house in Harvey County Kansas, which is in the same county where the shooting
occurred. Walton did say that all the confirmed deaths occurred within the plant. And, it is just a mad house with a lot going on. He said it was
fluid.
PINSKY: OK. I appreciate the report. With clarity, there is you have given us and we will keep our eye on this. Thank you so much, Blake. And,
I would encourage people at home -- I do not know how many times I have to sit in this chair and report about mass shootings, but clearly it is not
going to stop soon. So, please do not become desensitized to it.
People`s lives were lost today. We need to keep an eye on this. We need to think about guns. We need to think about mental health issues. We need
to think about terrorism and what we are going to do about all this.
As we continue to monitor that shooting, we are going to move on. We are going to go to Donald Trump. His latest war words with the former
president of Mexico, who directed this F-bomb at the billionaire. Watch this from Fusion.
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VICENTE FOX, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO: I declare I am not going to pay for that (EXPLETIVE WORD) wall. He should pay for it. He has got the
money.
JORGE RAMOS, FUSION JOURNALIST: Are you afraid that he is going to be the next president of the United States? What would that mean --
FOX: Not at all.
RAMOS: What would that mean for Mexico?
FOX: Not at all. Democracy cannot take us with crazy people that does not know what is going on in the world today.
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PINSKY: Joining us, Rolonda Watts, host of the podcast "Rolonda on Demand." Sam Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com. They both have a bit
say about Donald Trump. I also got David Wohl, Political Commentator, Trump supporter. John Vause, Anchor, CNN International and Erin Elmore,
she is out there, former contestant of "The Apprentice" and a Trump supporter, as well.
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John, I love having you here. You know I love having you here, not just because you are a great reporter and a great mind and a great participant -
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Keep going.
PINSKY: But, you are a foreigner. But, you have been a foreigner one time. And, I am still interested to know your perspective. We have gone
from the Pope --
VAUSE: Yes.
PINSKY: -- to the president of Mexico. And, the craziest thing to me is that everybody looks a little nutty when they attack. I do not know for
the ex-president of Mexico, but everybody looks off balance when they are addressing Trump and some of his rhetoric.
VAUSE: Well, it is like trying to do jiu-jitsu and he punches him in the nose.
PINSKY: Yes.
VAUSE: Everybody comes off looking bad at him.
PINSKY: Yes.
VAUSE: Right? And, that is what has happened here again today. But, Trump has done a very classic kind of thing here. He took the F-bomb, and
he turned it against with Vicente Fox. You know, Mr. Potty mouth, himself, Donald Trump, I am shocked and horrified that he would use such language.
And, really what that says, from Trump`s point of view, he really highlights the double standards here.
PINSKY: Rolonda, have you ever heard Trump use dirty language?
ROLONDA WATTS, HOST OF "ROLONDA ON DEMAND" PODCAST: Listen. I have not heard any -- --
PINSKY: Well, you worked with him back in the day.
WATTS: Yes, I worked -- we did not work through him.
PINSKY: Listen.
WATTS: I covered him.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes.
WATTS: I covered him. I worked with him -- I have to admit I am one of the people that put him on the news back in the `80s that started all of
this. But, I will tell you what. I want a president that builds bridges, not walls. And, I think that, that is the important thing --
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Oh. Great! David, what do you say to that?
DAVID WOHL, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, look. I got to say, you know, Trump is -- every attack on him, this will do nothing but increase his
popularity. There is no question about it.
[21:05:00] PINSKY: Right. Is not that weird to you?
WOHL: No. It is not weird to me.
PINSKY: John, is not that weird to you.
VAUSE: No, because if you look at everything that has happened --
PINSKY: It sounds worse.
VAUSE: -- someone goes after Trump --
PINSKY: It sounds worse.
VAUSE: -- it is not the attack, it is the response.
PINSKY: OK.
WOHL: I had one of his supporters telling me the other day that "When he is attacked, I feel like it is an attack on my children." And, I respond
like it is an attack on my children. That is how big it has gotten.
PINSKY: Sam.
SAM SCHACHER, "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: This is what worries me --
WATTS: Go, Sam. Go!
SCHACHER: What worries me is some of these supporters. What Trump is doing is he is bringing out --
PINSKY: She is talking about you, David. Talking about you, David.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: No. I met David. I think David is great. But, what I worried about is some of these supporters. He is bringing out the worse in them.
He really is validating their racist beliefs. Let us talk about the semi percent of South Carolina voters. According to the PPP --
PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Now, we do not know -- are you going to talk about - -
SCHACHER: 70 percent of the voters who won -- thought it was OK and they advocate for all Muslims to be banned as well as gays and lesbians.
PINSKY: OK. OK.
SCHACHER: Also, they OK`d the Japanese internment camps and 74 percent want to raise their confederate flags on their lawns after what happened to
the Charleston shooting. That should tells you volumes about who these supporters are.
WOHL: South Carolina. I do not agree with that either.
SCHACHER: Not OK.
WOHL: Let me say this. That Vicente Fox, remember something. He has not been the president of Mexico for 17 years. So, he does not speak for the
government. And, I got to say, the reason I think he does not want that wall up is because it takes the heat off the Mexican government to provide
for their people when there is a safety outlet called illegal immigration. It is time to put the heat back on them.
PINSKY: Trump addressed that wall during -- the audience is applauding for you.
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He addressed this wall during his victory speech in Nevada. Have a look at this.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are going to have our borders nice and strong. We are going to build a wall. You know that. Going to
build the wall. And, I have a lot of respect for Mexico. And, you just heard we won Hispanics. But, let me tell you, Mexico is going to pay for
the wall. Right? It is going to happen. Going to happen. They know it. I know it. We all know it.
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PINSKY: John, you know it.
(LAUGHING)
VAUSE: Well, it is actually on his website. He actually outlines how Mexico will pay for it. He says that there will be increase taxes -- visa
application fees, as well as increased entries at Mexican ports. That is nickel and dime stuff. If you really want the Mexicans to pay for it, they
will not pay for it; but what he then means to do, there will have to be a tariff on Mexican goods coming in the country.
PINSKY: David approves that.
VAUSE: Well, I thought that is going to happen. I mean, there is probability of that.
PINSKY: Trade wall.
VAUSE: Exactly, the North American free trade agreement.
PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE)
VAUSE: He will have to pull out and renegotiate it. But, to this point, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008 both said that they wanted to
renegotiate.
PINSKY: For different reason.
VAUSE: Hold up. But, it is possible to do it.
PINSKY: They wanted to create more jobs. They felt jobs were going down in Mexico.
VAUSE: Sure.
WOHL: And, I got to say, I know a lot of friends I have, Hispanic people, great people, lawyers who love him, support him, but they do not want to
say it. They are afraid to say it.
PINSKY: He has been closeted. Don Lemon said here in the show yesterday, he said he is the closet candidate much the way Obama was in his first
presidential run. People are like, "I kind of like that guy" but no one could step up and admit it.
Today, Trump tweeted in response to former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox. "He horribly used the F-word when discussing the wall. He must
apologize. If I did that, there would be an uproar." Erin, would there be an uproar? What would happen if Mr. Trump used an F-bomb?
ERIN ELMORE, FORMER "APPRENTICE" CONTESTANT/TRUMP SUPPORTER: People would be freaking out like they do about him every day. The good thing about
Donald is he is the Teflon Don. Literally nothing sticks to this guy. I think, personally, Mr. Fox, I think he must be promoting a book in publicly
. He has been out of the political game for over a decade. It is almost like my dog or my mailman weighing in. Nobody cares. He is not the
current president.
PINSKY: I got to tell you, Erin, I am finding this so amusing. And, I was thinking the same thing when I was listening to David. Both of you, guys,
just started to sound like the rhetoric that Trump uses when you address people that criticize Trump. You used the same stuff.
WOHL: Passive aggressiveness. As you know, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Passive aggressiveness, but it is also aggressive aggressiveness.
(LAUGHING)
WATTS: Yeah! Yeah!
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PINSKY: Well, no. It is OK. I am not saying you are violent. But, it is aggressive and it is making fun of somebody. Look, it sounds familiar now.
A month ago, I would have go, "What is she talking about?" "Hmm, talking about the ex-president of Mexico." -- Hold on, guys. Next up, Diamond and
Silk sound off with their own messages about this famous -- They are the best.
WATTS: They are from North Carolina. That is the only thing I can like about them.
PINSKY: And, later, Erin Andrews in tears as her father takes the stand in the trial against Erin`s stalker. Back after this.
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TRUMP: I love the country. I love the country.
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TRUMP: I love you folks very much.
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TRUMP: I love protesters.
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TRUMP: I love the poorly educated. We won with poorly educated. So we won the evangelicals. We won with young. We won with old. We won with
highly educated.
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TRUMP: I won short people, tall people. I won fat people, skinny people. I love them all.
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TRUMP: We love you. We love you.
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TRUMP SUPPORTERS: Trump! Trump! Trump! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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PINSKY: Donald, it is awesome that you have such love for so many of your supporters. I think you need to consult with Dr. Seuss.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING AND APPLAUDING)
Because you are running out of categories, and Dr. Seuss will have the binge bangers and the wing wangers and whatever. They are all voting for
you. They all put him to the top. But, again, no love for the former president of Mexico, who declared "I am not paying for that "F-ing wall."
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
I have to concentrate not to say something worse. Vicente Fox also had a message for Trump`s Hispanics supporters. Take a look.
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FOX: They must open their eyes. Please, you, Hispanics, Latins in the U.S., open your eyes. It is not to defend our race. It is not to defend
our community. It is to defend this very same nation that is hosting you. This nation is going to fail if it goes into the hands of a crazy guy.
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[21:15:00] PINSKY: Crazy guy. Crazy like a Fox. But, am I wrong Dr. Seuss would be a good source for more categories of people to vote for him.
Back with Rolonda, Sam, David, John and Erin. Sam, you want to make a comment?
SCHACHER: He is just so divisive. You know, I look at the response and he is not, as you said, he is not building bridges. Although, when you look
at like some republicans and democrats, he is unifying then, the ones that hate him. So, that is kind of interesting. In that sense, he is reaching
across the aisle. But, I thought he is not diplomatic. He is not somebody who I want to be a leader.
WOHL: He is not politically correct and that is what the draw is to this guy. He does not say what other countries want to hear. He says what he
thinks will make America great. And, when he says about jobs for example, and people say Hispanics do not like him, that is not true.
Because there is lot of high unemployment in the Hispanic community like many other communities. And, when he says I am going to bring jobs here.
Jobs that are fleeing to Mexico and China, I am going to bring them back. No wonder they love him.
PINSKY: John.
VAUSE: Well, Bernie Sanders says the same thing too.
SCHACHER: Yes.
VAUSE: Again, about the free trade agreements against the China and all the rest of them. But, to Sam`s point, I mean if you look at Trump`s
negatives, they are the highest in the republican field right now. It is over 51 percent, higher than Hillary Clinton.
So, your point is actually true. There are a lot of negatives out there. There are a lot of people who do not like Donald Trump, though. All the
people who love him, there are a lot of people who do not like him right now as well.
WATTS: I think that if there is a crowd that he may have to pull from, I mean you cannot forget women and you cannot forget African-Americans. What
is high on the list of that voter group is social justice in this nation.
SCHACHER: Right.
WATTS: We cannot forget that America is in turmoil with racial relationship now.
PINSKY: Rolonda, let me ask something --
WATTS: And, he has not brought up anything about that.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Of course. That would not keep him in the shock and awe mode. He need to take air out of the room, so he -- but let me throw out an
argument. Perhaps, people are tired of that. And, they are tired of being unemployed.
WATTS: People do not have the experience are tired.
PINSKY: No, but even people that have it, I wondering if we have been spinning about this for a while and I am glad we have. But, I wondering if
people are burning out on it.
WATTS: I think we are more than tired, Dr. Drew. I think we are worn out and sick and tired of being sick and tired. And, at some point, somebody
has to address this plague in the nation.
PINSKY: Well, maybe, some of them come up with a new approach.
SCHACHER: Some of the candidates are, though. I am sorry, you do see Hillary Clinton.
WATTS: You do see, Hillary Clinton.
SCHACHER: You see Bernie Sanders. You see Bernie Sanders was arrested in 1963 --
WATTS: These are all our frontlines.
SCHACHER: -- while he was protesting segregation.
WATTS: That is right.
SCHACHER: Amen. He is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.
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WOHL: I do criminal defense. I have done it for 27 years. And, you would be shocked how many clients I have that say, "Great job on your pro-Trump
stuff. We love him." And, people like him not just because they have not heard much about his criminal -- rather his social justice issues but
everything else is bringing them in.
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WATTS: Wait, wait, wait. But, this is not running for high school president.
WOHL: I understand. I understand.
WATTS: This is not a talk show or a reality show.
WOHL: And, what has Barack Obama done?
WATTS: This is president of the greatest nation on Earth.
WOHL: What has Barack Obama done?
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
WATTS: Do not divide us. Bring us together.
PINSKY: Time out, everybody. As I say -- time out. We assume, John, we will hear from him. He is going to give us his policy, I assume, what he
plans to do with this. I have not really heard anything. Does he, John?
VAUSE: This is on?
PINSKY: On social justice.
VAUSE: Well, look, this a republican primary. This issues are not big to the republican --
WATTS: So, the answer is no.
PINSKY: That is Plan B.
WATTS: Plan B.
VAUSE: Exactly. He is trying to win the republican nomination. And, right now --
PINSKY: It will be written large.
VAUSE: Exactly. The republican side is about national things, it is about foreign policies. It is about ISIS. It is about security. On the
democratic side, it is about social justice.
PINSKY: I want to get Erin on this. Erin, what do you say?
ELMORE: Well, first of all, there has been so many debates, I almost cannot even say the word debate anymore. And, if you go sober, the
position is why is not anybody asking about them. Audience members have the chance to speak on them.
So, then, start asking the tough questions to Donald Trump if you think he cannot stand up to it. I have actually been in his presence and worked
with him. He has got so many African-Americans working for him. He employs women. He employs minorities --
PINSKY: He loves them all.
(LAUGHING)
WATTS: I love you. I love you.
PINSKY: But, Erin, I think --
ELMORE: It is ludicrous.
PINSKY: But, your point is very well taken. It maybe -- she was right. I mean, the question should be asked to all the candidates. I wonder myself,
why is something that has been so prominent for two years is just not on the table.
WOHL: What can a president really do? What has Barack Obama done for the last seven years? A president has tremendous control.
PINSKY: I understand that. But, you want to know, you want the leader of the country to be able to have a position on this and nobody has --
VAUSE: He has delivered a major speech on race relations where he contributes $150 Billion with new initiatives to try and improve, you know,
the community living within a minority and poor neighborhoods within the United States. So, the democrats are thinking about it.
WATTS: I do not think it should be the democratic responsibility.
VAUSE: Agree.
WATTS: I think it is an American leadership responsibility on every level.
PINSKY: It will be. It will be.
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WATTS: On every level.
PINSKY: I think it will be. Now, I want to put up the BuzzFeed that covers several interviews with Donald Trump and he had done back with
Howard Stern, my hero, some time back, dating -- some of it dating back 1998. Take a look.
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TRUMP: Because I like kids, I mean, I will not do anything to take care of them, but I will supply the funds and she will take care of the kids,
right? It is not like I am going to be walking the kids down Central Park.
(LAUGHING)
[21:20:08] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE RADIO HOST: What is the most outrageous offer you ever got?
TRUMP: In levels of beauty that you would not believe.
HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: Wow.
TRUMP: They are really -- incredible beautiful women. They will walk up and they will flip their top.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE RADIO HOST: Ooh!
STERN: Wow!
TRUMP: And, they will flip their panties.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE RADIO HOST: Oh!
(LAUGHING)
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PINSKY: What is he talking about? Let me flip back to more --
WATTS: Flip!
PINSKY: Let me flip back to more from the president of Mexico. I want to hear more about that. Let us take a look.
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FOX: What is Trump? He is not a republican. Absolutely, not. Those are not the republican principles. He is not a democrat. He is just himself.
He is egocentric.
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PINSKY: Erin, what do you think?
(LAUGHING)
ELMORE: Well, first of all, I like you -- I am a humongous Howard Stern fan. I want to be in the Whack pack. But, let us be serious.
PINSKY: You ain`t got his fans.
(LAUGHING)
ELMORE: Darn it! The republicans are winning. The bible-thumping conservative people are just not winning. So, guess what? That is why
Trump breath of fresh air. That is why he is getting the votes. We are not the moral police.
You know what? Look at Bill Clinton. He had a few little tiny indiscretions, wink, wink. And, guess what? His approval ratings are
through the roof. You want a president, who is going to take care of our country, create jobs and really make sure that international relations are
doing well.
We have a proper middle class. And, right now, that looks like Donald Trump. The conservatives are too worried about policing on morals, as what
we do at home as opposed to what we are doing to make our country better.
WOHL: But, he is a hybrid. He is hybrid, let us get real.
SCHACHER: He is not a hybrid. He is hybrid to the democrats and the republicans that do not like that.
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PINSKY: John, last thoughts. Last thought.
VAUSE: No one has been able defined Donald Trump so far. He has defined all of his competitors all of his rivals, rivals` campaign. Jeb Bush has
low energy. Marco Rubio is young and sweaty, you can go to the list. No one has been able to define Donald Trump.
And, that is why when voters listen to what he says, he is what they want. "I want a wall. I want to bomb out of ISIS. You know, I want to jump back
from China." He is whatever those voters want, because no one has defined him so far. From that point of view, the former Mexican president is
right.
PINSKY: David, last thought.
WOHL: And, he is practical, common sense, bottom line.
PINSKY: And, he has a history of being successful in this strategy. I just do not know what it means in the political arena. I just do not know.
Next up, we got a live update from the terrible shooting in Kansas that I believe Blake, the reporter, is going to give us an update. We will be
right back.
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PINSKY: I want to get back to our breaking news with an update. I do not know how many of you are aware, but there has been a terrible mass shooting
in Hesston, Kansas, North of Wichita.
At least four people are dead including the suspect. Suspect -- There has been reports of even more dead and many injured, possibly a couple dozen.
Blake Spurney, reporter with the Hesston Record is there. Blake, update, please.
SPURNEY: All we know now is that law enforcement still working to identify all the victims. And, there is a press conference at 9:00 that we will
find out more.
PINSKY: I am going to interrupt you, Blake. Blake.
SPURNEY: The shooter was killed by police.
PINSKY: Blake, is that 9:00 central time?
SPURNEY: 9:00 central.
PINSKY: OK. And, you were saying the shooter was killed by police.
SPURNEY: Yes.
PINSKY: And, you last reported told us 20 injured, seven dead. Is that correct?
SPURNEY: Anywhere from four to seven dead is what Sheriff T. Walton said. And, he said that it is a fluid situation, so it is going to take a while
to put it together. But, he is working -- Authorities are working in identifying everybody and trying to get the right numbers. And, hopefully,
I will have this first in a little while here.
PINSKY: And, by calling this a workplace shooting, then we are really only saying most of the dead were shot at a workplace. We do not know that this
man worked at this particular place of employees.
SPURNEY: Sheriff T. Walton did say he was an employee.
PINSKY: OK. So, it is a truly a workplace disaster. All right. Blake, thank you again for that. We really appreciate it. Again, everybody, our
thoughts and prayers go out to Kansas. Again, guns, terrorism, violence, people with mental health issues getting ahold of guns. I am just saying.
All right, we are going to switch back. We are talking about Donald Trump. My guests are with me. The former Mexican president says when it comes to
Trump, Hispanics beware. Take a look at this.
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FOX: He won his last caucus?
RAMOS: Uh-huh.
FOX: Where was it, Nevada?
RAMOS: Nevada.
FOX: Nevada.
RAMOS: He won 44 percent of the Hispanics.
FOX: 44 percent of Hispanics. I want to know who those Hispanics are. Because, they again, they are followers of a false profit. And, he is
going to take them to the desert. And, if they think that they would benefit with the administration led by Donald Trump, they are wrong.
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PINSKY: Again, here is this thing with Trump. He takes the air out of the room. People are back on the defensive. They look a little hysterical.
Here is the ex-president of Mexico talking about chupacabra. And, David says that is what it is. But, John, the myth is he won Hispanics in Nevada
and is that accurate?
VAUSE: No. It is accurate. He did get 44 percent of the voter of the Latinos who turned out to caucus for the republicans. But, write down
numbers a little closer. That is actually works out to be about 2600 voters of Latinos who voted for Trump in that caucus there, which works out
to be 7 percent of the entire state of Nevada. You can also say 93 percent of Latinos in Nevada do not support him.
PINSKY: O David is that a representative sampling?
WOHL: I think, anecdotally speaking, that is my feeling as speaking with Hispanics that I know. And, I mean, I just got to believe that American
Hispanics do not really care what percent. He is disparaging in his commentary of them. How could they like Trump. Forget them. They are not
Hispanic. It is terrible.
VAUSE: It was not Washington -- probably came out. It is 80 percent of Hispanics do not support Donald Trump.
[21:30:00] SCHACHER: Well, first of all, he is disparaging Trump, because Trump has disparaged them. He has marginalized a group of --
PINSKY: Yes. Sam, that is what I want to ask Erin about.
SCHACHER: People on the defensive.
PINSKY: David brought up a point here, but I have found amongst Hispanics, Trump is very polarizing. Some people really get worked up on the anti-
Trump and a lot of supporters out there that want to create jobs and protect their jobs. Erin, are you still there?
ELMORE: I am sorry. Yes, what was the question ?
PINSKY: I am sorry. You are right. There was not. Is he as polarizing to Hispanics as it appears to me?
ELMORE: Well, I mean, he is a polarizing individual. I, certainly, sometimes in fearful when I am at dinner to speak my political beliefs and
my support of Donald Trump. But, the truth to the matter is, first it was started Donald Trump does not like women, then he does not like African-
Americans, and now it has moved on to the Hispanics. What is next? Field mice and little puppies?
So, you know what, I just think that we are trying to attack and the numbers do not lie. It is like 13 percent of people on Tuesdays were
wearing sombreros and eating cereal do not like Donald Trump, but the people keep coming out and voting for him. These numbers are not lying.
So, it is sort of like, people can throw around numbers and throw around ethnic groups but people really are voting for him because they want change
for America. They are tired of these Washington insiders.
PINSKY: Well, yes. And, that is why Bernie has big support, too. But, Erin, it is interesting. I am looking at my audience here. You guys are
all shaking your heads, but you are not getting up and give us your opinions. So, you grab a mic and if you feel strongly about it, you know,
get out there.
Speaking of supporters, we are going to see somebody speak up on Trump`s behalf. Here is Diamond and Silk. They came to his defense when the Pope
questioned the wall. And, by the way, let us remember, the Pope is surrounded by couple of walls in the Vatican.
VAUSE: Huge walls.
PINSKY: Huge walls.
WOHL: Walls all over the place.
PINSKY: And walls that -- John, you are saying, you are taking exception to that. You cannot go in there in the sanctity of the Vatican. There are
walls on walls on walls. Even walking in the United States too. You have to go through the same --
VAUSE: There are Vatican guards --
PINSKY: Yes. There are guards all over the place.
VAUSE: And they are carrying with funny swords.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: Let us take a look at this. Take a look at this issue.
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LYNETTE "DIAMOND" HARDAWAT, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER (via Skype): OK. So, I am just minding my business.
ROCHELLE "SILK" RICHARDSON, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER (via Skype): Uh-huh.
DIAMOND: Watching T.V.
SILK: Uh-huh.
DIAMOND: OK? And, I see the Pope come across the T.V. because he got a comment and he got something to say about Donald J. Trump. Everybody, the
Pope wants us to build a bridge and not build a wall. So, why do not you tear down your wall at the Vatican, Mr. Pope? And, all I can say is Donald
Trump, build the wall. Build it tall.
SILK: Yes.
DIAMOND: Protect us all. If you do not, this country is going to fall. Build it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: So, there are people in the audience applauding for Diamond and Silk. Rolonda said, "Oh, Lord."
WATTS: Oh Lord! I did. I did. I do not know. You know, God bless them. That is great for YouTube. We are talking about the president of the
United States. That is not representative of the sisters that I know in America, who are really serious about politics and really serious about
political candidates. Who cares about the things like that.
WOHL: I wish that is the same thing, but the true rainbow coalition are Donald Trump supporters. I got to say, just like Jesse Jackson thought he
had them in 1984, he really does --
WATTS: Who is them? Adam, who is the rainbow?
WOHL: African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians. They are people that I know. White folks, Jewish people, Catholics, Protestants. I am just saying.
PINSKY: John. I am just saying, but John, I will finish up here with you. Wait, wait. I got to say, because it is where I was the last time we
chatted, which was John, we are just weird here.
(LAUGHING)
VAUSE: There is an element of craziness going on.
PINSKY: What is going on here?
PINSKY: Well, look, Donald Trump is appealing to a group of people in this country who feel like they missed out on the economic recovery, that their
wages are stagnated. They are angry. They want someone to blame. He is very good at tapping into that. We talked about Ronald Reagan, though. He
was, you know, one of the great republican presidents of this country who did say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."
PINSKY: Interesting. But, I do remember -- one last thought here. I brought this up before. A friend of mine has reminded me in 1989, there
was a campaign, which is just imagine these words side by side. "How bizarre, President Reagan." And, people were like, "Oh, that is bizarre.
But, you know, it turned out to have worked out. I know where we are. You cannot predict history prospectively. It is confusing. I am on the
sidelines watching. I am fascinated, but it is confusing as hell.
Next up, Erin Andrews secretly recorded in a hotel. Now, she is suing the peeping tom and the hotel for $75 million. Jurors saw the videos today in
a closed courtroom. Back after this.
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[21:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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STEVEN ANDREWS, ERIN ANDREWS` FATHER: They put him in a room next to her and he is up against the door videotaping my daughter. She is undressed.
She is getting ready for a football game. She did not know if anybody was at the door. You know, I thought to myself, if this guy has been a killer,
she would be dead.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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ERIN ANDREWS, SPORTSCASTER BEING STALKED AT THE HOTEL: I have screamed. I have cried. I have said to my family "Why me? Why is this happening to
me?"
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STEVEN ANDREWS: She is afraid. She is afraid of crowds. She is afraid of people. She does not trust anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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ERIN ANDREWS: It affects your everyday life. The way you communicate, the way you travel, the way you take double glances at people. It affects
everything in your life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Sportscaster Erin Andrews wants $75 million from the Nashville hotel that she says enabled a man to secretly record her in the nude in her
room and post it on the internet. Take a look.
In fact, her stalker served more than two years in prison but now he is free and the video is still on the internet as it always is. Once things
get on the internet, they do not go away. Back with Rolonda, Sam and joining us Erin Foster, Psychotherapist and Troy Slaten, Criminal Defense
Attorney, former prosecutor. Do we have that video or we are not going to show that video. All right. So, today --
(LAUGHING)
[21:40:15] I am just checking. Today, in the courtroom the jury saw the peephole video, so-called. Remind you guys, he asked what room she was in.
He figured out how to get in the room next to her. Put a video cams with a peephole. Erin Andrews left the room during the playing of this recording.
No one else was allowed to record anything. Even the security cameras were turned off. Papers were taped over the courtroom windows and jurors
watched the video . A software expert testified, of course, there is no way to remove this thing from the internet. Now, the question, Troy, is
that worth $75 million?
TROY SLATEN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That is the ultimate issue for the jury. The whole issue is one of damages. Can she show that --
PINSKY: I am asking you. Is it worth $75 million?
SLATEN: Heck no.
PINSKY: OK.
SLATEN: I like someone to do that to me. That is like winning the lottery. I mean I would love the $75 million. Oh my goodness.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
SCHACHER: No, no.
SLATEN: But, I mean, look. I mean, it is terrible what happened to her.
PINSKY: Yes.
SLATEN: And, she has to show that she is so emotionally distressed from this. It has so destroyed her life.
WATTS: How could she not be?
SCHACHER: Yes.
WATTS: Who would not be?
SLATEN: $75 million?
SCHACHER: Who are we to come up with a number? Can you imagine, every time she goes to Starbucks, every time she is shooting, the cameraman
looking at her. She has to think to herself, "Have they seen me naked?" She is to go checking in a hotel room, "Oh my God! Is there a stalker
there?" Plus, I am sorry, this hotel chain should have mandated, should have had training.
SLATEN: Absolutely.
SCHACHER: That would have been a red flag. Not only when someone asks, "Can I stay next to her?" They should have called the authorities and see
that as a big red flag.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Show me that tweet. We have whole series of tweets out here. I am going to show Erin -- Here it is. Now, Erin, you react to this. This
is a tweet. It says, "In a world full of murder, torture and rape, being seen naked for 20 seconds is just not very high on the trauma scale. Is
she going to sue" -- hang on.
WATTS: Oh!
PINSKY: Listen. I did not write this thing. "Is she going to sue every time she catches some guy looking up her skirt?
WATTS: Oh!
PINSKY: Erin, how bad is it for a woman to be violated like this?
ERIN FOSTER, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You cannot measure how bad this is and nor is it anybody else`s place to say how bad it is. But, trauma is incredibly
subjective and how it manifests itself. There is no denying that this woman has been traumatized.
PINSKY: Is that a sign that maybe she had a previous trauma, the fact that she has a posttraumatic stress reaction after this trauma? And, by the
way, that is not minimizing this trauma. When people develop a severe trauma reaction, it is often because something else happened earlier.
FOSTER: Perhaps. You know --
PINSKY: Just, perhaps.
FOSTER: Perhaps.
PINSKY: Yes. We do not know. We do not know. Now, is it a mistake for any of us to assume our privacy will be protected? Troy, should we always
-- you know, I was thinking about it. Sam, in fact. Remember that stalking thing -- that weird thing you and I had. What was it? Somebody
published -- I forgot what was that --
SCHACHER: With Manziel?
PINSKY: yes.
SCACHER: Oh my God! Yes, and I cried over it. And, it was nothing compared to this.
PINSKY: Right.
SCHACHER: Nothing.
PINSKY: Right. And, maybe you can speak to what that felt like.
SCHACHER: I just felt, there was a serial filer who had made it look like I filed a lawsuit against Johnny Manziel. And, it was a really crazy
lawsuit that I was suing him for $20 million because he sent me penis pics and I had a threesome with him and Dr. Drew. It was ludicrous.
(LAUGHING)
PINSKY: You would never do that. Crazy.
(LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: But, I woke up to it. I woke up to all the tweets of his fans calling me a slut, and calling me every name in the book and saying that I
deserve to cry --
PINSKY: You are crying.
SCHACHER: And, then I thought, "Oh, my God, my career." People are going to think that like I did this and they will think I am this and that. I
lost it. I started crying. And, this is my situation was not even comparable to what she is going through.
PINSKY: But, you were upset for a while. But, again --
SCHACHER: It was embarrassing.
WATTS: Dr. Drew, you brought this point up in yesterday show about the trauma that shame has on a person.
PINSKY: Yes.
WATTS: That, that takes it to whole another psychological --
PINSKY: Shame is toxic. Shame is very toxic.
FOSTER: Right. And, I like this point, because part of trauma is also belief that I did something wrong.
SCHACHER: Yes.
PINSKY: Or I am wrong.
FOSTER: Or I am wrong.
PINSKY: Something is wrong with me. Yes. But, you know, Troy, the most common sentiment on social media, here is one. This incident only boosted
her career to a level it would not have even come close to touching otherwise.
So, in terms of the damages, people are saying -- and I do not know. This is just sort of the common concern on the internet. They are saying, that
in fact, it did not have a negative effects on her career. She made more money because of having been in the press so much around this issue.
WATTS: We live in a Kardashian world.
PINSKY: Yes.
SLATEN: There is the old saying that any publicity is good publicity.
PINSKY: No, but how are the attorneys going to get around that? They are asking for $75 million and yet her career is flourishing.
SLATEN: Because aside from damages there is also the issue of punishment. The hotel did the wrong thing.
SCHACHER: Right.
SLATEN: This guy did the wrong thing. He served 30 months in prison. It is clearly did the wrong thing. But, that is not -- he did the wrong
thing.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
PINSKY: Troy.
SLATEN: But it is not worth $75 million
PINSKY: How much? How much?
SCHACHER: How much is the company worth?
[21:45:00] PINSKY: How much? -- Sam loves a deep pocket, clearly. But, how much is she going to get? How much?
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
SCHACHER: Really?
SLATEN: I think maybe a couple million.
PINSKY: That is what I keep hearing. $2 million to $3 million.
Next up, we will keep the conversation going. We got a lot more to talk about. The panel stays with me. I do not want you to go away. Stay with
us.
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEVEN ANDREWS: They put him in a room next to her. And, he is up against the door videotaping my daughter. She is undressed. She is getting ready
for a football game. She did not know if anybody was at the door. You know, I thought to myself if this guy had been a killer she would be dead.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ERIN ANDREWS, SPORTSCASTER BEING STALKED AT THE HOTEL: I have screamed. I have cried. I have said to my family "Why me? Why is this happening to
me?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEVEN ANDREWS: She is afraid. She is afraid of crowds. She is afraid of people. She does not trust anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[21:50:00] ERIN ANDREWS: It affects your everyday life. The way you communicate, the way you travel, the way you take double glances at people.
It affects everything in your life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Now, Erin Andrews` stalker served his time and has walked free but. But, that video he secretly recorded of her nude in her hotel lives
forever on the internet. She hopes a jury will agree that this trauma is worth $75 million. I am back with Rolonda, Sam, Erin and Troy. And, Erin,
you were saying that the viewing, knowing that somebody is viewing this thing millions of times is a profound trauma in and of itself.
FOSTER: I think so, because part of what plays into trauma is being exposed repeatedly. And, trauma is the idea that I am exposed to something
that is potentially dangerous and life threatening.
PINSKY: And that I am powerless over it.
FOSTER: And, that I am powerless over it.
PINSKY: I want to go -- speaking of that, I will go to Kristen Pratt. She was victimized by a stalker. Now, Kristen, thank you for joining us. You
say people used the word too lightly.
KRISTEN PRATT, STALKING VICTIM: They really do. And, it is part of our vernacular. We are on Facebook, and we are just looking at our ex`s
messages or anybody else. We are saying, it is Facebook stalk. I just Facebook stalked them and just the fact that we can brush it off like that
shows exactly how we really feel as a society towards stalking.
PINSKY: Now, you had an erotomaniac stalker as we call it or maybe simple stalk. You can go online, everybody, the stalking profiles are broken down
into categories in various ways. But, erotomania is somebody I believe you had a relationship with at one time. Is that right?
PRATT: Actually, I just had a class with him. We actually never had any speaking relationship.
PINSKY: Uh-huh.
PRATT: And, what happened was because of the erotomania he felt that no matter what I said -- if I said I did not want anything to do with him, it
was an obstacle in his way to prove his love.
PINSKY: We are seeing a lot more of this these days. Young males are so busy in the internet, they do not practice socialization, and so they end
up like this. How did you find out you were really in trouble with this guy?
PRATT: I always had a feeling I was in trouble at the beginning. I thought that if I ignored it, it would go away.
PINSKY: Yes.
PRATT: And, when it started not going away, that is when I actually started collecting evidence in case I ever had to go to trial or in case I
was ever murdered and somebody needed to know what happened.
PINSKY: Troy is not that pathetic that is the way she has to think? Well, there is nothing I can really do until he does something. "Once I am
murdered, then you can go get the guy."
SLATEN: That is the case. And, so many people trying to go to the police. They are trying to make reports. They go to their campus administrators
and unless the person has actually made some sort of overture, then there is really nothing you can do.
PINSKY: Restraining order in my understanding is simple stalkers, Erin, sometimes get worse with restraining orders.
FOSTER: Yes, because it is the unattainable. I want what I cannot have.
PINSKY: Oh my God.
FOSTER: So, I am going to go after it more.
PINSKY: All right. Next up, I want to give everyone an update on this tragic mass shooting in Kansas. Please stay with us. You do not want to
miss this. We will be right back.
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[21:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BREAKING NEWS)
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DYLAN, WITNESSED SHOOTING: We heard a -- and we thought it was just metal falling on the ground. And, then, the doors are open, people started
screaming coming out, saying go to the front. Go to front. Everybody turned around. No, he is out front.
So, everybody started going to right back over here. And then me, my boss and the other employee that we work with, we were just standing back there.
We did not know what was going on.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: And, that is a story I heard all too often. I am back with breaking news update. A mass shooting in Hesston, Kansas, that is North of
Wichita. This shooter has claimed at least four lives including the suspect. Many more have been injured. Some very seriously.
According to the Sheriff there, the shooter opened fire in a parking lot of a lawnmower manufacturing plant. He shot at people in an intersection,
moved inside the business where most of the dead or all of the dead thus far were found.
Right now authorities are trying to identify the victims. And, Erin, I know you are with me on this is that I do not understand -- You know, this
usually is somebody that has had some sort of psychotic break. Do you agree with me on that?
FOSTER: Absolutely.
PINSKY : Usually these kind of stories.
FOSTER: Usually.
PINSKY: Why we cannot do it better? How hard is it? It is not that hard to screen somebody for bipolar before they get a gun. So, no big deal. No
harm to him. By the way, if we screen and find he needs a little help, let us get him the help.
FOSTER: Get him help.
PINSKY: And, by the way, maybe we have another law that says if you have a letter from a doctor every six months that you are doing your medicine, you
under control, then you can get your gun back. Troy is not that seem sensible?
SLATEN: Who is going to pay for that? How much is that going to cost?
PINSKY: Well, how much do these cost, all these mass shootings?
WATTS: It will not cost lives, maybe.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
SCHACHER: Amen, girl.
PINSKY: Maybe the gun lobby, maybe the gun manufacturers can do something.
FOSTER: And, we also have to train our mental health community. And there are plenty of up and coming students, interns, residents who can do these
kinds of assessments for very little money.
SLATEN: But, can we see in these cases is usually they are on some sort of psychotropic medication. And, that should maybe be the heads up.
PINSKY: Well -- no, no, no.
SCHACHER: We need mental health reform, but what I am scared of how normative this has become.
PINSKY: Yes.
FOSTER: Yes.
SCHACHER: I am not even shocked anymore. I mean I have no chills right now. It is so sad that we almost are getting desensitized to it.
PINSKY: Rolonda.
WATTS: And, what is the effect Dr. Drew that it has on those of us sitting at home with our children on a couch watching T.V. I think there is a
sense of urgency of fear that goes throughout this nation when we see things like this constantly on television.
PINSKY: Troy, you asked me who would pay for it. I would say, how about we start by empowering physicians, the mental health professionals to be
able to intervene and stop somebody from getting a gun, if there is even a question about their safety.
I know it is their right. I understand that. But, it has too far the other way where personal privilege is trumping community safety in a
ridiculous way. DVR us then you can watch us any time. Audience, great job today. Thank you, panelists. Tremendous job. Love you all.
[22:00:00] WATTS: Love you more than you do!
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PINSKY: We will see you next time.
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