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Prince`s Personal Chef Says Singer Was Ill; Prince Complained of Stomach and Throat Issues; The Fight Over Prince`s Estate Begins; Contents of Prince`s Secret Vault Unknown; Who`s in Line for Prince`s Money? Missing Boys Mystery Deepens; Racist San Francisco Cop Messages Exposed; Shocking Comments About Blacks, Latinos, and Asians in Text Messages; Missing Boys Mystery: Spotted by Pilot: Pilot says He Saw Teens Two Days into Search; iPhone Found On Boat May Hold Clues of Missing Boys
Aired May 02, 2016 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:00] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight new developments in the Prince death investigation. The search for a will. Word of a secret vault
and a brewing family feud. But first, the latest on Prince`s health shortly before he died. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The law enforcement source tells CNN that Prince had prescription painkillers on him when he died.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re learning from investigators now that so far they have not been able to find evidence that he actually had a prescription for
the pills that they found on him and in his home. The Drug Enforcement Administration has been called in by local sheriff`s authorities who have
been investigating that, and alongside them, they were going to work together on this. And that may have a lot to do and tell you something
about this opioid medication.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His personal chef did an interview where he talked about Prince and what he liked to eat. In the past few months, the last few
months, Prince didn`t seem like himself. The personal chef did say that he made him a red pepper bisque and a kale salad the night before he died and
that Prince didn`t eat any of it. Just recently that he had been suffering from a sore throat and some upset stomach, so he tended to have more
smoothies and fruit juices.
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DREW: Joining me Lisa Guerrero, correspondent for Inside Edition, Darren Kevin Oakey, Criminal Defense Attorney, Jasmine Simpkins, Senior producer
and reporter for hiphollywood.com. And Jasmine you guys are getting up-to- date reporting on this story, what you hear?
JASMINE SIMPKINS, SENIOR PRODUCER AND REPORTER, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Well, we`re really intrigued just by this diet. This change in diet from the
chef. Really intrigued by why a man who was such a strict vegetarian/vegan, would then go more into having smoothies, eating less, and we`re wondering
what was that all about?
DREW: Well if you`d like me to put on my physician hat, I`ll be happy to answer that. I didn`t know I was going to get into it this deep this fast.
So what we`re talking about is something called odynophagia, which is painful swallowing. Right, isn`t that what we`re hearing?
SIMPKINS: Yes.
DREW: So really isn`t a sore throat per se. A sore throat is way up here in the in the pharynx. Pain swallowing of the esophagus, and maybe the
stomach. So when you hear about somebody having difficulty taking solids and spicy foods, I remember they saying it was something like pepper bisque
or something he couldn`t eat. Only a few things really do that. One is a esophagitis, some really terrible erosive esophagitis, where the stomach
acid gets up into the esophagus and stomach. Number two would be something more serious like an esophageal cancer. And in fact people that are chewing
and avoiding solids really kind of esophageal cancer. And then number three, something called esophageal candidiasis, which these days is pretty
common, which is a yeast infection of the esophagus and we see that with HIV patients very commonly, and also with the cancer patients.
LISA GUERRERO, CORRESPONDENT, INSIDE EDITION: I think there has been a little bit of confusion when you talk about his long-term chef noticing
that there had been some changes in his diet as mentioned. Some people were saying, why didn`t he report this? Why did he alert a medical professional?
DREW: Maybe he did, we don`t know.
GUERRERO: We don`t know that. And the other issue is, you know again, Prince was still performing. He was still singing. So there could have been
a natural reluctance to say anything to anybody just thinking it`s a sore throat.
DREW: Possibly. Sore throats just don`t cause people to change their diet. When people are avoiding solid foods that is something very specific and
medical. And is something I have been saying all along, which is that there is just a feeling here, some kind of underlying medical problem. I can
pretty much guarantee we`re going to learn something from this autopsy. And then, Darren, were hearing that there`s been no valid prescription for the
opioids. The DEA is now involved in the investigation. Do you make anything of that?
DARREN KAVINOKY, ATTORNEY: Well I do and I`ll actually link that to some of this eating that we been talking about. Because I`m just a jurist doctor,
not a medical doctor, so I can`t speak to some of these issues with the eloquence that you can.
DREW: Misuse of my doctorate, but thank you J.D.
KAVINOKY: But I just know this. People that are dealing with addiction, and when we look at the context of that emergency plane landing and what has
been coming out about the Percocet use. This may be somebody who is just trying to get his arms around his own addiction issues.
DREW: No, that`s a separate issue. Did you ever get so bad in your disease that you are taking liquids only? Think about it. Did you ever say, I can`t
swallow I`ve got to take liquids?
KAVINOKY: Certainly I adjusted my diet so that I can continue in my disease -
DREW: That`s different. That`s different than saying it hurts when I swallow, can you give me something else?
SIMPKINS: I would agree. I think this is Minnesota so are dealing with the climate change. People get the flu, they get a common cold all the time.
For something this severe, this is why were so interested in it, where he couldn`t swallow. He`s only doing liquid. There`s a liquid diet attached.
It`s pointing to something a little bit more severe than your comment, I`ve got, you know --
[19:05:00] DREW: Right, it`s not landing a plane. That`s going to kill you before having the flu, having to land the plane. It`s not landing a plane
and we`ve heard, we`ve heard the footage, we heard the tapes, from the air traffic control. Where there somebody on board the plane whose
unresponsive. That is a reason to land the plane, but Darren, as it pertains to the opioids and the valid prescription, one of the things that
drives me insane these days is that celebrities get the special treatments, whereby they coerced, manipulate, whatever it might be, find somebody else
to do it for them. A physician into writing a prescription to somebody else`s name.
GUERRERO: Not just celebrities, wealthy people.
DREW: That`s insane to me.
KAVINOKY: High net worth individuals -
DREW: Is that not against the law, Darren?
KAVINOKY: Well, it`s very much against the law. And there is a wonderful film, a documentary film, that was done, called "Behind the Orange
Curtain," which focused on exactly that issue that was going on just to the south of us In Orange County. It`s an enormous problem, and especially for
celebrities, or high net worth individuals. When they get hooked on a drug, and we know that people who really are addicted, they need that drug like a
drowning person needs air, and they will do whatever it takes to get it.
DREW: You say things like that and people go, Yeah, yeah. But tell your personal story and I think they understand why you can relate so strongly.
KAVINOKY: Well, for me it was a matter of absolutely losing everything. I mean it cost me -- I was bankrupt, physically, financially. It nearly cost
me my marriage. It put me in five different hospitals repeatedly. So I mean, this is something that I know a great deal about. And thankfully, in
May 2009, I had a pivotal moment where things changed. But prior to that I mean, arrested five different times in three different countries. I was a
bad boy.
DREW: Well done. But listen, the reason I want you to put a little fine point on that is most of my patients, colleagues that have been addicts or
are recovering now, look at the print story and they go, "God, I`ll be really surprised if this is just addiction." Dependency, yes, but think
about it, there`s no long-term pattern of ongoing use. No worry about his behavior. No in and out of treatments or doctors throughout his life. It`s
all of a sudden lately.
KAVINOKY: But my experience with opioids is they are so powerful that they really do jump in and grab you.
DREW: Right, I understand that, but it could be a dependency and not an addiction.
SIMPKINS: We have heard his close friend Sheila E. Even say that Prince has been suffering from hip and ankle injuries since the "Purple Rain" days.
When they were touring back then he injured himself and he has had to deal with that pain over years. So we also have to take into account that he
could have had some sort of addiction to a pain pill of some sort. That we weren`t privy to.
DREW: It is possible, but boy, he would have done a good job of hiding it. He`s been awfully stable for a long time, now odd, but stable, right.
GUERRERO: You know, when he first died, I tweeted out, I didn`t care how he died. I cared about how he lived. And I was uncomfortable breaking down
these potential reasons, why or if he was an addict. Now though, I feel differently, and I`m glad that were talking about it today, Dr. Drew.
Because I think it sheds light on this problem. That is a growing problem in America, opioid addiction.
DREW: I will end this segment by saying what I usually say at the beginning of a segment that discusses the pharmaceutical pandemic, tsunami. It`s the
combination of the of the opiate, opioid, the pain medicine with the sleep medication. Remember you heard that he hadn`t slept for 154 hours. I`m sure
somebody gave him asleep med. That combination is potentially fatal. Between 1991 and 2013, 81 percent of the Percocet prescribed on earth was
prescribed in this country, 90 percent of the opioids prescribed on the planet in this country. Do we have more pain than the rest of the world?
Are we more enlightened in how we treat pain? Come on now, we`ve got to get a hold of this. Our culture is broken when it comes to the abuse of
pharmaceutical medications.
Next, the battle over Prince`s millions is underway. Who is getting all that money? And what is in the secret vault? We are back after this.
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[19:10:00] DREW: Prince`s six surviving brothers and sisters met in court today. They`re trying to figure out who gets what share of his massive
estate. According to Prince`s full-blooded sister Tyka Nelson, Prince did not have a will. The search is still on really, if there is one. Now a
probate judge appointed a trust company to manage the estate. And a source close to the family says members met last week, but the meeting ended in a
shouting match.
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Do you know if there is, indeed, a vault that has some of his old or new recordings that the public has never heard?
PRINCE`S HALF-BROTHER: We`ve seen the vault door, but we never entered.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one knows what`s in the vault. No one knows whether the vault has been opened or not. No one can touch any of the assets right
now. Everything is on lockdown, including Paisley Park.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DREW: The first hearing on Prince`s estate was this morning. It lasted 11 minutes. Twelve lawyers, four siblings all present. Prince`s full sister,
Tyka, sat by herself on one side of the courtroom. The half siblings and their lawyers facing off on the other. Back is Lisa Guerrero, watch her
investigation into bike theft tonight on "Inside Edition." Darren and Jasmine still with us.
Jasmine, you`ve done a lot on this family feud. What is going on?
SIMPKINS: I love this family feud. And can I say that? Can I say I love it?
DREW: You can say it.
SIMPKINS: I love this family feud. It`s like an episode of the "Young and the Restless."
And I feel like it`s only going to get worse. Right now it`s like, Tyka versus everybody else. And I feel like she probably was the closest by all
extensive purposes, you can tell that was a brother she was very close to. And I feel like she feels some sense of entitlement over how these things
should go. And she planned this memorial service. And Alfred, the brother feel some sort of way, because he feels like he should of been invited.
DREW: is he a full brother?
SIMPKINS: He`s not a full brother. They actually are siblings, her and Alfred. They have the same mother, so Alfred, Omar and Tyka are brothers
and sister.
DREW: These half-siblings, I need like a diagram.
[19:15:00] SIMPKINS: You do, you do.
DREW: One thing I do know is that Prince was supporting all these people, right?
SIMPKINS: Yes.
DREW: What`s up with that? What was his obligation to support a bunch of half siblings? And what is up with the sense of entitlement that they`re
supposed to be supported in his death as well?
SIMPKINS: I think after a while when you have siblings -- I have siblings. I don`t know about anybody else does on the stage. I feel like after a
while once you get in that groove of taking care of your siblings and then you snatch away the purse strings. It`s hard to do.
GUERRERO: Wait, wait, hold up. This guy`s estate is worth at least 300 million bucks. There`s six siblings, there`s plenty of dough to go around.
I don`t understand. And this is where real people watch this stuff and they go, really? There is going to be plenty of money to take care of you, your
kids ask your kids` kids, why do you have to be ugly about it? It`s one of the things that taints his memory?
DREW: Right, and this is a man who was philanthropic. Certainly I imagine he would want his family cared for. He would not want them greedily
fighting over him like dogs over a bone.
KAVINOKY: but that`s the thing -
DREW: It`s Ernie`s fault. Down there inside the family.
KAVINOKY: Wait, did I just step into something? It`s so insane to think that a man who was so controlling when it came to important aspects of his
music that he would be so irresponsible not to have a will and a trust.
SIMPKINS: We don`t know that yet. They haven`t found it.
KAVINOKY: And hopefully one will be revealed --
SIMPKINS: I bet it`s recorded. I bet it`s in song.
DREW: You have to play the record backwards.
SIMPKINS: It`s on the back of one of his songs, "1999" has the will somewhere.
KAVINOKY: But for our viewers though, there an important thing in here, which is if you die without a will, then you`re subject to the laws of
what`s called intestate succession, and those laws are different in every state. Basically it`s a formula of who gets what based on how close a
relative you are. You talk about needing to create a grid so you can keep track of everybody? That`s what they need to do so they can figure out who
gets what.
DREW: Intestate sounds like something they do at a colonoscopy.
KAVINOKY: speaking of colonoscopies here`s where it`s going to really feel like one when you`re talking intestate succession is the IRS whose very,
very interested. Because they are going to get most of it.
DREW: OK, listen. Let me ask this. Who up here has a will? Who at the podium has a will? See only half of us have a will right now. How many of
us who have a will evaluated every year the way you`re supposed to? I don`t do that. So only one of us. So 25 percent of this panel is doing what
they`re supposed to do in terms of taking care of their family, not themselves, their family.
GUERRERO: I`ve got to figure out if my dad or my brother gets my leather pants at the end of the day.
DREW: We should leave them for Darren.
Prince had a secret music vault, the contents which are unknown. Here`s what we do know. It`s a walk-in vault with a combination lock located in
the basement of his estate. Reportedly the bank actually had to drill through the lock to open and take inventory of this vault. And legend has
it, as you heard in that video before the opening of this segment, there is enough music to release at least one album a year for the rest of the
century. Is it not strange, Darren, that no one had been in that vault or had access to it, then in his demise, no one knows anything about it?
KAVINOKY: Right, well this will be the big mystery, and I`m just remembering back to -- what was it, Geraldo and the mystery of the vault.
But no, there is so much content, and this may speak to the other issue about why people are fighting so much, there`s enough to go around? Because
being able to exert control just over money, but to that music catalog is extremely important. How many times have we seen it where celebrity worth
far more dead than they are when they are alive?
SIMPKINS: I think we can attest to the fact that was a peculiar individual. I think there was a secret vault for reason. There were things and contents
in it that he didn`t even want to share with even his family. I believe that they should respect that. He probably didn`t want to release the music
because he was a perfectionist with his sound. And I think it would be doing a disservice to his legacy to release the music.
GUERRERO: He did do an interview in 2012 on "The View" where he talked about this vault of music, and he said that someday he did hope it was
going to be released.
DREW: And I learned from his super fans that he was releasing stuff to them sort of on an ad hoc basis. So there`s a lot of these. So we`ve got to
leave it, we`ve got to leave it,
KAVINOKY: But if he wanted to control it he could have.
DREW: Everybody, get your will in order even if you think you have nothing. It`s just for the good of your family.
Next up, busted, racist, text and e-mails from law enforcement in Los Angeles and San Francisco, we are exposing them. And Miss Scheherazade
Aliis back here with us. And new details in the mystery of two teens missing at sea. The iPhone that has torn their families apart. And a pilot
believes he saw the boys. He is joining me. Back after this.
[19:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: San Francisco`s police department is once again embroiled in controversy over some highly disturbing racist text messages.
At the center of the scandal is officer`s Jason Lock. He allegedly uses disparaging language not only towards black people, but toward Mexicans and
Indians as well.
GEORGE GASON, SANFRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY: I would never in a million years would have dreamt that those kind of conversations would go on
between San Francisco police officers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see the SFPD went through the same thing a year ago, where more than a dozen officers were found to have sent highly offensive
racist texts. "Do you celebrate Kwanzaa at your school?" One officer texted. Reply, "Yeah, we burn the cross on the field! Then we celebrate
whitemas." You know, if you are a plumber, if you are Carpenter it`s OK, but if you`re somebody that actually gets, you put people in jail or in the
worst case conditions actually take somebody`s life from them and be so lawfully. You don`t get to be a racist.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[19:25:14] DREW: Scandal inside the San Francisco Police Department. Officers caught sending awful offensive text messages about women, African-
Americans, Asians and gay folks.
Back with Lisa and Darren. Joining us, Randy Sutton, retired Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Lieutenant. Host of Police Radio on America Out Loud.
And Shahrazad Ali, author of "The Black Man`s Guide to Understanding the Black Woman." Miss Ali, it is hats off to you, my young lady, it`s always
such a privilege to have you here. I have missed you.
SHAHRAZAD ALI, AUTHOR, "THE BLACK MAN`S GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING THE BLACK WOMAN": Well, I`m so glad. I was going to ask you.
DREW: You know I love you. You know that. Give us your take on these texts. I think you know, since you and I last talked, I feel like the political
correctness that everybody has complained about in the last year has actually elevated our awareness and our own sort of self-consciousness
about these things. I`m shocked to see police officers create -- it`s one thing if they said something under their breath, but to put texts out there
they know can be retrieved seems bizarre to me.
ALI: Well, actually, I think it`s all been blown out of proportion. Every nationality has jokes. We have the public jokes and we have the private
jokes. We always talking about we want people to communicate. So they opened up and talked about what they think about blacks and Indians and
Asians and even other white people. And humor itself, Dr. Drew, is cultural. Humor is cultural.
DREW: Well, you said other white people. I think some of these guys were Asian, in fact. They weren`t even white, right?
ALI: Yeah, they might have been. You think I don`t know some white people jokes? You want to hear some of them? We all have jokes. You know?
Everybody does this.
DREW: No, no. They`re afraid of how far you`re going to go with it. I`ll call you afterwards, you can tell me some. I would love to hear them.
ALI: Well, I`m just saying that people -- go ahead.
DREW: I want to go to randy because you bring up an interesting point which is I think, again Miss Ali, I always have to listen very carefully to what
you say. Because there is always an interesting insight into things you lay down for us, which surprises me. But Randy, what she saying is gallows
humor may help people in certain cultures get through overwhelming situations and she`s excusing them because it`s sort of a gallows humor.
RANDY SUTTON, LAS VAGAS METROPOLITAN PD, RETIREDREW: She`s absolutely right. If you listen in on locker rooms of police departments all around
the country, you would, besides laughing, you might be a little shocked. But that`s a defense mechanism in many cases from the trauma police
officers see. And so that`s very true. But keep in mind also, this was on his personal telephone. This wasn`t on a department-issued device. This was
found during a different type of investigation where they discovered these things. And there`s a slippery slope here about the thought police jumping
in here and looking at all of these type of communications.
DREW: All right, hold on, we know where your took them, Lisa, you`re shaking your head.
GUERRERO: Well, this is ridiculous. These people are law enforcement officers. We are their bosses. They are our employees. We pay them to -- by
the way, they have a weapon on them. So if they are calling African Americans by the n word, if they are making jokes about burning crosses on
people`s lawns that is a huge problem and those people don`t deserve to be wearing a badge. That is completely dangerous. It`s outrageous. And by the
way, if the argument is they`re using their own personal cell phones to assist on these texts, what if you had an elementary schoolteacher that was
teaching their kid, but on their personal phone they were selling child porn. That`s a problem, because what you do and think and say in your
private life sometimes bleeds into your professional life.
DREW: Miss Ali, what about that comparison? Come on now.
ALI: No, that`s not the same thing. And if we`re going to determine who the police is based on him telling racial jokes, we will not have any police in
America, because everybody, not just in that vocation, but in all the vocations. Remember when the jokes used to be funny about how many Polacks
it would take to screw in a light bulb.
DREW: It used to be funny.
ALI: You have a Mexican, and an Asian and a Jew walking down the street. Those jokes used to be funny, and now everybody`s so sensitive you can`t
say anything even if it`s funny. And I think that`s ridiculous and it`s overblown.
DREW: Miss Ali, I usually look to you for guidance and oversight. What is the guidance here? Isn`t it good that we raise our awareness about our
racist attitudes?
ALI: No.
DREW: How about Larry Willmore using the N-word trying to be funny at the White House Correspondents` Dinner?
[19:30:02] ALI: Now, as I said, each culture has their own humor. He was totally inappropriate to do that in a mixed environment. If he had done
that backstage, that`s one thing.
GUERRERO: You can`t have it both ways sister. You cannot have it both ways
ALI: Oh yes, I can.
GUERRERO: No, no you cannot. No, sorry
ALI: Each nationality has their own humor. White people don`t share all of their jokes with us, and we don`t share all of our jokes with y`all. Y`all
couldn`t have the n word.
KAVINOKY: Please, Miss Ali, you have to let me jump in on this one. I`m a fan of gallows humor as much as anybody else --
Attorneys do it. Doctors do it. I say it`s an appropriate. We`ve got a check ourselves.
KAVINOKY: I have to say this, I work with a lot of sex crimes prosecutors, and nobody has repertoire of filthy jokes like a sex crimes prosecutor.
It`s just part of, I think a lot of how they function in their environment. But there`s a difference between that and what shows up on somebody`s
personal cell phone, which gives us a peek into -- not just a record, but how it is that this person truly believes about another race.
DREW: Miss Ali, in spite of you defending him -
ALI: Dr. Drew.
DREW: Yes, Ma`am.
ALI: Do you know what kind of punishment they should have? They shouldn`t be fired. They should have to do? Go to a public press conference and stand
up and read their jokes.
GUERRERO: There you go. I would love that.
ALI: Tell their jokes to the public.
DREW: I find it so amusing when Miss Ali says, "Drew, do you know what somebody should do?" I think she`s going to tell me. Even if I don`t want
to hear it or not, I`m going to hear it. But listen, the whole thing makes me sad. And I really realized this kind of controversy got me. Just this
morning I was thinking, shouldn`t these guys know better? Then I thought, that`s a good thing that our consciousness has been raised by a politically
correct environment we lived in. Even though we complain about it, we expect people to do a little better these days. Our consciousness has been
raised by it. What I`m talking about are these racist messages from law enforcement. That`s right, two of the country`s largest cities are in
shock. And the two teens missing at sea for almost a year, spotted by a pilot. That man is here to tell us what he saw. Back after this.
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[19:36:28] (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "Do you celebrate Kwanzaa at your school," one officer texted. Reply, "yeah we burn the cross on the field! Then we
celebrate whitemas." In another text the N-word is used to describe black women, "they should be spayed." Response, "I saw one and our goal with four
kids." These disgusting text messages have exposed what some civil rights activists have been complained about for years that there is an element of
racism within the police department.
GASON: Number one, there is a substantial number of people in the police department that are racist. And number two, there is a culture that has
allowed these people to thrive and survive and even promote within that environment.
AMOS BROWN, NAACP SAN FRANCISCO: I know Ferguson is over in Missouri, but in times of attitudes, practices and outcomes as it pertains to justices
for black people in the city, we are Ferguson.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
DREW: Back with Lisa, Darren, Randy and Miss Ali. Now, Miss Ali, I want you to look at the demographics of the San Francisco Police Department, and
these numbers reflect, what you see in these percentages is a fairly precise reflection of the percentages of race in the population of the city
of San Francisco. So, Miss Ali, help me with this. Because after Ferguson, there was all this human cry about diversification in the police department
to reflect the population, but here`s San Francisco has done that and still we have problems. Tell me what the solution is.
ALI: Well, I think whenever you have corporate outrage and that they come forward and say, we`re going to get these guys, you know, the men and women
who are being racist and who are saying the wrong thing and hurting people`s feelings, that`s all usually just a cover-up, and it`s made to
make us think that something is being done about racism. I mean, as an example, you remember when we had all the hoopla about taking down the
confederate flag?
DREW: Yeah.
ALI: How many black lives has that saved? How many black people have stopped doing crime because of that? And how many police have stopped
shooting black people because they took the confederate flag down? You know, it makes no sense. This is just something that should blow over and
just let that go, because white people are going to make jokes about black people and black people are going to make jokes about white people.
DREW: Randy, what do you say about that?
SUTTON: I think the fact that there are some isolated cases of racism or alleged racism. Because some comments were made, you don`t really know
what`s deep in the heart of these people. Of course, some of these comments are absolutely abhorrent and they cannot be tolerated.
DREW: Randy, the argument would be --
ALI: But they`re not isolated. That`s the point.
SUTTON: Of course they`re isolated.
DREW: It does expose at least a bias.
SUTTON: Dr. Drew, how many thousands of police officers are in San Francisco? You have a couple police officers that were found to have these
racial comments on their phones. That doesn`t indicate --
ALI: It`s not a couple. It`s not a couple.
SUTTON: Please tell me how many you have found that have these racist comments on their phones.
GUERRERO: This is the second of a very similar case in two years in San Francisco. Last year there were 22 officers last year. That`s a lot of
officers. That`s not one or two.
SUTTON: That`s about one-half of 1 percent of the department.
DREW: Miss Ali, please.
ALI: I would rather have a police telling a joke than going around and killing black people, so you pick which one is best.
[19:40:03] GUERRERO: Is it possible that they can do both?
KAVINOKY: I don`t know if they`re mutually exclusive.
DREW: But Miss Ali, you`ve given me a sense of hopelessness that nothing is ever going to get better. What`s behind that? What is the solution?
ALI: Well, the solution, as I keep saying, is separation. Now, here`s what we could do. White people could police white people, black people police
black people, Asians, Latino, they police their own people. Except the problem is black men hate themselves so much, they would probably treat us
worse than the white police officers. So we don`t want to do that. We`re going to have to stick with what we got and try to fight our way through
it.
SUTTON: Dr. Drew, are you aware of a study that just came out of Washington University?
DREW: No. Tell me about it.
SUTTON: Just came out and this is the facts. That police officers are three times less likely to shoot a black suspect than they are a white suspect.
DREW: For each interaction or overall numbers? In other words, are they less because they interact with more white people?
SUTTON: That was a comprehensive study just completed at the Washington University using --
ALI: Yes, by some white people. White people do all them studies and white people come out with the stats.
SUTTON: OK. All right.
DREW: But to be fair, Miss Ali, this is not just a white-black issue. I have a lovely Hispanic citizen next to me --
ALI: Oh, it`s black-white because we`re getting killed the most. It`s black-white so we get killed and arrested the most.
DREW: But in San Francisco this is an Asian officer is involved with this. Really, it`s a human issue, right? This us-them mentality we all get into.
We all say, I`m coming from love, you`re coming from hate.
ALI: You can`t legislate humor.
DREW: No, I agree with you. Listen, the gallows humor thing, so we agreed to disagree about that, I think. What I`m saying is that we have a problem
as a people, not as multiple races.
ALI: That`s right.
DREW: We all have biases. We have to monitor --
ALI: No.
DREW: You don`t have a bias, Miss Ali?
ALI: Oh, you know I have a lot of them. I have many biases. I have biases - - listen, and I have biases against white people coming out with reports that claim they are not being as hostile to us as they really are in real
life. That`s my bias.
DREW: Miss Ali, what I love --
SUTTON: I have a bias against people that don`t want to listen to the facts.
DREW: And I have a bias against the clock, and that makes me go to commercial break. But what I love, Miss Ali, is that you and I are going to
continue this conversation. Because clearly your point of view --
ALI: Yes, we solved some things, we solved some things tonight.
DREW: During the Zimmerman thing, I felt like you and I made some progress, and I want to keep it moving forward. I appreciate you being here, Ok?
ALI: We made some progress tonight. We made progress tonight.
DREW: Fair enough. Coming up -- thank you guys. This is a picture of one of the teens missing at sea since last July. The man that took the image
thinks it is that boy and he is here to talk about it. Back after this.
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[19:47:13] (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Last July, Stephano and Cohen, both14, left the Jupiter Inlet in this boat and never returned.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The boat was found off the Florida coast.
PERRY`S MOM: But the boys were only 14 years old, what were they doing out on a boat? We live in a boating community and this is part of the lifestyle
here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just concerned that nobody is on board. I`m trying to find other gear.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A pilot searching for the boys swears he spotted one of them two days after they vanished.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When Smith climbed back up to 2,000 feet to establish radio communication, he lost sight of them. You can see the capsized boat
being pulled out of the water off Bermuda just last month.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some personal items aboard were salvaged.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): The rescue team also found an iPhone in a tackle box. The iPhone which belongs to Austin Stephano has sparked a feud
between the families.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
DREW: Surveillance videos newly released reveals the boys leaving the dock. There it is. And that`s not all, take a look at this picture taken by a
pilot two days after the teens had vanished. He says, one of the boys was on that piece of debris. Back with Lisa and Darren. Joining us by phone,
Bobby Chacon, retired FBI Special Agent, FBI forensic dive team. Also by phone, Bobby Smith, the pilot who spotted the boy. Bobby Smith, thank you
for joining us. What happened when you saw this boy?
BOBBY SMITH, PILOT (via telephone): Well, it was kind of a shock. We had been searching for a couple of hours, and we were just getting to our
initial search box about 25 miles off the coast of Georgia, and my granddaughter actually spotted it. We went down to an altitude of about 200
feet. We circled it three times and could clearly make out a small person with light-colored hair laying on the debris, laying on his back. He raised
both arms up at one time. We realized there was a person there and that he was alive, and we immediately climbed up to make contact with Jacksonville
center by radio so they could relay our position to the coast guard.
DREW: Is there anything else you could have done? I mean, it sounds like you did everything perfectly.
SMITH: Well, you know, anybody that considers doing search and rescue operations, they really need to be better prepared than we were. I can`t
think of anything that we could have done with the equipment we had on the airplane, but nothing other than locating it and relaying the position.
DREW: Bobby, listen, you did everything possible. My god, if you are telling me you feel guilty because you couldn`t have loaded on more
equipment, you jumped in your plane and were of service and came close to making a difference. That`s not your fault.
[19:50:08] SMITH: I understand that. But it`s a hard thing to deal with, knowing that, you know, had I been better prepared we might have saved this
person`s life.
DREW: Let me put a different spin on it, Mr. Smith. If you were better prepared you would have spent time preparing and missed seeing him all
together. You`re trying to second guess something that you can`t. You can`t do it.
SMITH: You have a point there. You have a point. I appreciate that.
DREW: I want to go to Bobby Chacon. He does these water forensics. Bobby do you agree with me on that, Bobby Chacon?
BOBBY CHACON, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT, FBI FORENSIC DIVE TEAM (via telephone): Oh, absolutely. But, I also sympathize with Bobby and I know
that I`ve been involved in those situations before and it stays with you. You often do agonize over what you could have done differently. Ultimately
you have to come to the conclusion that just have to good you.
DREW: Tell me about this iPhone. It`s been in the water for months. It`s rusted. It`s deteriorating. Is there anything they`re going to get from
that phone?
CHACON: You know, yes. The bottom line answer is yes. It`s possible. It`s possible that they can get something off it. Will they? It`s also possible
they can`t. But it`s not impossible, I will say, just because it`s been in the water for that length of time. There are obviously forensic data
recovery experts that know more about the retrieval process once they get it in their hands than I do. But I was often the guy or my team was often
the team that did the recovery of the items and got it to the lab. You know, oftentimes, and I see the pictures of the barnacles encrusted on it
and things like that and you know, saltwater is a corrosive and so it will play some part in the degradation of both the iPhone itself and, you know,
the internal workings of it. So, you know, it`s kind of a bad case scenario, but I wouldn`t say it`s impossible to get anything off of it. The
experts have to get into that phone and see how bad the damage is under all those layers.
DREW: Thank you, gentlemen. Coming up the last text coming up, the last text sent from that iPhone. We`ll show it to you after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[19:56:33] DREW: We`re back with Lisa, Darren and Bobby Chacon. Now according to our affiliate, WFOR, before the boat capsized, Perry exchanged
texts with his mom. Here`s a recreation of that conversation.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PERRY: Mom, it`s Perry. My iPad is dead. I`ll text you in a little. Love you.
PAMELA: OK. I wanted you to sleep at home tonight, I miss you. We leave Sunday morning for New York. What about your work?
PERRY: But I was going to sleep at -
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DREW: Investigators tried to use phone records to track down the teens location but Snapchat, Instagram and AT&T refused to release any
information without a warrant, and since this is not a criminal investigation they could not get one. Darren, come on now, there`s got to
be a way to get that information.
KAVINOKY: Yes, well, Freedom of Information Act would be one way to proceed, but even then if there is some kind of an ongoing investigation,
then material can get held back.
DREW: Let`s bring Lisa Guerrero in again from "Inside Edition." Let`s get a reporter.
GUERRERO: It`s so frustrating to listen to this. Because when those boys still potentially had a chance, they weren`t getting the cooperation that
those families needed at that time.
DREW: and both families are now -- I`m afraid so. They are both fighting over the phone. The judge ruled the phone, this phone found corroded in the
capsized boat. The phone will be sent to Apple so they can recover any information on this. Bobby, you`re saying they may have some success. What
kind of information do they want?
CHACON: Well, you know, they want to look at those last few minutes and last few hours, the texts -- they could have been hitting rough seas or
anything --
DREW: I`m going to interrupt you. We know even though the text messaging was from the iPad, cut off all of a sudden. He had enough time stow his
phone. It was found sort of in a bag, put away. So I just don`t understand what kind of information they`re going to get off that phone.
CHACON: Yes, you never know, as an investigator you want every piece that you can possibly get so you can analyze it. And you run down every lead you
can. And this is what they`re doing with the phone. You just want to know every bit of information that you possibly can get. And that`s what they`re
trying to do with this.
DREW: Got it. Now, Darren, these families are fighting over the phone which is really so sad. Don`t you think they both want the same thing ultimately?
KAVINOKY: Yes, I would think so. That one`s really puzzling to me. And so there`s got to be something more -- there`s definitely more to that story
than is currently being told.
DREW: Lisa, you`re the investigator, what`s your hunch?
GUERRERO: OK. I think that -- I`m sure -- first of all my heart goes out to both families. That`s got to be incredibly difficult. That having been
said, I`m sure that there are elements of this story where one parent is pointing at another parent and they are saying first of all why wasn`t that
boat equipped with a proper radio. They were unable to communicate --
DREW: Or blaming the kids.
GUERRERO: -- blaming the kids. It is one of the parent`s responsibility to have the boat equipped with the proper radio equipment and it wasn`t. So
I`m sure there`s a lot of finger pointing going on and that`s tragic.
KAVINOKY: And there may be civil lawsuits now. Because if there is somebody who is ultimately responsible for the death, now were talking about an area
where the lawyers can sink their teeth into it.
DREW: Oh, it`s just so sad. When I first saw this case with these two moms sort of seemingly in denial. This is a boating community. We know how to
handle this. I thought, this is just not going to go.
GUERRERO: They are 14 years old by themselves, 14 years old.
DREW: Just sad. Please DVR us and you can watch this program any time. I think you for watching. Panel great job will see you next time. Nancy
Grace, up next.
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