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Prince`s Inner Circle Focus of Probe; Were Those Close to Prince Getting Him Painkillers?; DNA Testing to Determine Heirs to Prince`s fortune; Arsenio Hall Suing Sinead O`Connor; Mother of Three Found Dead in Church; Cops: Victim May have been in Touch with Killer

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[19:00:00] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: A new twist in the Prince death saga. A Minnesota judge gave the go-ahead to have Prince`s blood sent for

DNA testing. Now he`s authorized the medical examiner to release the blood sample to the testing laboratory.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not only did he say authorize the medical examiner to give blood, he ordered them to.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge made another decision as well, that anyone claiming to be related to Prince has four months to file a claim or you are

out of luck. Right now we believe it`s just brothers and sisters, but if there is some long-lost child out there, that Trumps all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sources telling CNN Prince`s inner circle is now under scrutiny. Officials are zeroing in on the people closest to Prince to see

if any of them were runners or straw buyers for prescription drugs.

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PINSKY: Tonight new information, new questions about what was going on behind the scenes at Paisley Park before Prince died. Plus, there is a

scramble to locate potential heirs before the clock runs out. Joining me Sierra Elizabeth, attorney, Kevin Frazier, co-host "Entertainment Tonight,"

by phone I have Michael Levine, retired undercover DEA agent. He is the author of "Deep Cover." Kevin, what are you guys reporting from ET? What`s

coming?

KEVEN FRAZIER, CO-HOST, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT: Here`s what`s happening, and when they had the hearing last week, one of the things that happened

was there was a 40-minute meeting in judge`s in judge`s chambers with the lawyers. While they were in there, they asked, are there any other people

that you believe could be heirs that could come forward? And there were two people that they identified as possible heirs. And where the blood --

that`s why they`re pulling the blood and that`s what it`s for. Because there are two people that could come forward.

PINSKY: Are these heirs siblings? We don`t know.

FRAZIER: From what I was told that went on in that meeting, these are two people they believe could be children.

PINSKY: So they would move ahead of the siblings.

FRAZIER: It`s very interesting right now, how this all works out. They`re trying to identify those people. They had names that they had delivered to

the judge, so these people will be tested.

PINSKY: Very interesting. Joining us I have CNN correspondent Stephanie Elam who has been covering the Prince story. Stephanie, what is your

latest on the blood of the DNA?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: well, to follow up on what Kevin was just saying, Dr. Drew, is the court came out on Friday and ordered the

medical examiner`s office for this flood. That`s part of the reason why people started to speculate perhaps that there were children out there.

That was an interesting piece of information to see that in the documentation. Also starting to see some claims of people coming up saying

they have claims against Prince`s estate. I saw one that was already dismissed. Another one, I would be surprised if it doesn`t get dismissed.

Then another interesting point here, you touched on it, is the limit here on how long they can actually make a claim against the estate. It`s not

like you can go on forever and ever, amen. This is one of those things where you`ve got four months to get your claim in, and after that, it will

be too late for anyone who comes after that point. At this point the estate is being managed by Bremer Trust, and it`s interesting to note in

the language about the DNA and the blood, that they say they can use the blood for DNA testing, but they`re saying it`s not limited to that, they

can use it for other needs, but they want to shut down any windows or doors for people coming in saying they`re heirs or children of Prince`s if they

are not.

PINSKY: Thank you, Stephanie. Now, Michael, drug diversion sounds like a kind of treatment, like an intervention, and there are diversion programs.

That`s something else. I want to show you all a part of a report from CNN`s Brian Todd about diverting medication with someone else`s name on it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I were to obtain a prescription for pain medication, and I didn`t use all of those pills, and I gave those to my friends, that

is diversion.

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): And it isn`t always just one person diverting the drugs to the addict. Law enforcement experts say

prescription drug dependents may have a network, runners who get the drugs by prescription or in the massive black market.

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PINSKY: Michael, listen, when people are celebrities like this, they don`t need to go to the black market, they have an entourage that can go to the

doctor for them and can divert these medications. So when we hear the DEA has not found valid prescriptions in Prince`s house, I think what they`re

saying is they haven`t found one with his name on it, but I am certain there are prescriptions with other people`s names on it. Would you agree?

MICHAEL LEVINE, RETIRED UNDERCOVER DEA AGENT (via telephone): Absolutely correct. And let`s begin by talking the specific drug that they caught,

one of the particular drugs was Suboxone. It was in the hands of the son of a doctor. Whether he knew he had it or not remains to be seen. The

doctor ostensibly had the drug legally. He had the power to prescribe it. The minute it went to Prince that was diverted. It then becomes an illegal

substance.

My opinion is that given the length of time that Prince was drug dependent, and the amount of people hanging around him, DEA can potentially open up a

whole new federal prison wing with indictments, especially -- you know, I`ve had a lot of experience with showbiz types, and they flip easily. I

don`t know any other way to put it, but they talk easily. You put a hammer over their head like potential homicide charges, they`re going to give up

everybody, including their own family. Me, I find this fascinating. It depends how aggressive the prosecutor is, it depends on how aggressive the

DEA agents are, and I don`t know too many non-aggressive ones, so it`s really a fascinating case for me. I spend my life -- I`m a trial

consultant and an expert witness. I`m in court on these issues all the time for the past 25 years.

PINSKY: And this is an interesting case here. Do you agree with him?

SIERRA ELIZABETH, ATTORNEY: Yeah, absolutely. Let me tell you why the enablers might talk. Because they are just as much on the hook as anyone

else, as the doctors. Friends are enablers.

PINSKY: Are you do defense attorney sometimes?

ELIZABETH: Sometimes.

PINSKY: Wouldn`t you tell them not to talk?

ELIZABETH: Well, listen, if I was representing them, of course. We need to work out a deal, because this is the thing. Involuntary manslaughter is

on the table for these people. If they were diverting drugs to Prince, they could potentially be brought up on charges for unintentionally killing

him because they were using reckless disregard.

PINSKY: So who is to blame, the doctor who prescribes the medication to someone else, the person who puts their name on that bottle or the addict?

ELIZABETH: Everybody needs to take a piece of the blame puzzle, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. Remember we used to talk about this with Michael Jackson. Same story, wasn`t it?

FRAZIER: Yes, and a lot of this is, and here`s the thing you have to keep in mind. You are talking about a man who is an electrifying performer, but

also performed for hours. Let`s not forget, he`s jumping off stages in heels, he`s dancing around, you see the splits when he was younger. That

took a toll on his hip. He was dealing with trying to manage those injuries. It`s not as much that Prince was this guy who was a drug fiend,

he is a guy that was trying to manage this injury and it got out of control.

PINSKY: You`re making the same case I`m making, Kevin, which is you don`t see a lifelong history of addiction and multiple drugs and crossing over

and behavioral disturbance. You see none of that, in fact, right?

FRAZIER: Right.

PINSKY: What you see is a guy who may have been misusing a product -- I mean, you wouldn`t want him to use drugs after a performance or managing

performances, but he found a way to get them. And probably kept that under control for a long time. So we called it drug abuse or drug use disorder,

maybe. But then for whatever reason it escalates, the pain intensifies, and now he gets caught in this cycle of pursuit and increasing pain, and

then he has withdrawal, more pursuit and now is in big trouble.

FRAZIER: And I will tell you this, I`ve talked to people who are in the inner, inner circle and they would call it his happy pill. It was what

made him feel better. But you have to remember, this was -- I mean, you don`t see a lot of performers like Prince. He`s the guy who would do the

concert, then do the three hours afterwards and play until 6:00 in the morning.

ELIZABETH: The problem is people didn`t want to tell him no. That is society`s problem with obsession with celebrities.

PINSKY: Sierra, you are right on with that, 100%.

FRAZIER: There are people who told him no and those people were jettisoned.

ELIZABETH: What if everyone told him no?

FRAZIER: That`s a different story. You`re talking about a lot of money.

PINSKY: You need a unified front, but I blame the physicians who prescribed it. They can always say no. He should be able to go to doctor

to doctor to doctor and get the exact same response which is no. One thing you said, Kevin, it`s his happy pill. One thing I believe is going on here

is he had a trauma history. There`s a lot of documented severe trauma. Just the movie "purple rain" was about his trauma in childhood. And people

who have trauma carry a lot of pain with them. They feel pain in their body, they feel pain in their heart, and when they get on an opioid, they

feel relief. He may have been feeling a level of relief that the average non-trauma survivor doesn`t feel. So you can have that relief without

being an addict. But then he got dependent, then he got in trouble.

Next up, professional heir hunter, meaning looking for heirs, says hundreds of people are claiming a connection to Prince and his money.

And still to come, new information about the murder of a mom of three. Did she know the killer who may have lured her to her death? Back after this.

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[19:13:33] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement officials tell CNN Prince had opioids on his person and in his house when he died. They say so far

there is no indication he had a valid prescription. Experts are worried about the epidemic of opioid abuse in America.

PINSKY: I see this every day, a non-addict would be able to stop that drug without any specialized treatment. An addict will always go back. They`ll

be driven back. The disease is always active and there will be progression over time.

PINSKY: If I were seeing Prince today alive on that last day, I would put him in a facility and treat him as though he were an addict until I knew he

wasn`t.

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PINSKY: Yes, indeed, people are worried about the tsunami of oral opiate pain medication in this country. Eighty-one percent of the Percocet

prescribed between 1991 and 2013 on earth was prescribed in the United States of America. Nearly 100% of the Vicodin prescribed on earth

prescribed in this country. Somewhere around 89% of opiates overall, prescribed on earth, prescribed in the United States. Do we have a problem

here? Anyone advocates we`re not prescribing enough? Think about that data.

Prince may not have a will, but a sample of his blood has been saved. It will help the executor deal with the $300 million estate and decide who

gets what.

[19:15:00] DNA will be used to determine whether any of the hundreds of people claiming to be his heirs are actually related. Back with Sierra,

Kevin, Stephanie, and joining me now, John Hillbert, co-founders of Heirs Hunters International, a company who finds missing heirs to estates. You

think you may have found who might even supersede the siblings? Is that correct John?

JOHN HILLBERT, CO-FOUNDERS OF HEIRS HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL (via telephone): Well Dr, Drew, thanks for having us. We are an international genealogical

heir search firm, like you say, that finds missing heirs to an estates. Early on we found someone who came to us and said, who said, would you help

us find missing heirs to this estate to this instant, and we were directed to a young man who we felt had his story add up.

PINSKY: John, one second. Kevin has a question for you.

FRAZIER: I know there was a young man in New York that`s been talked about. Is that the young man you`re talking about?

HILLBERT: No, that`s not the one we have spoken with.

PINSKY: Even another one, possibly. So you use what kind of means to determine whether or not they have a viable attachment to the estate?

HILLBERT: Well, what we do is much more than simple genealogy, which we use, we simply try to specifically determine under the laws that issue, who

is entitled to a share of a person`s estate. It changes from state to state. There is a unified probate code on how intestate succession is

treated by the court. So we look at Minnesota law and see who gets what. Under Minnesota law, a child or an issue of Prince would take it all and he

would Trump everybody who is a sibling or a first cousin or even parent.

PINSKY: Thank you, john. So if a child does turn up -- tell me about that, Kevin, and then the fighting between Tyka and Alfred, is that right?

FRAZIER: There is talk that there are two siblings, or at least in that judge`s chamber during their hearing, before they let the press in. That

is what they discussed. And they identified two people, two potential heirs. I don`t know if he`s talking about either one of those people.

Meanwhile, with the siblings, you have to understand, Alfred, who lives in Kansas City, his half-brother, when he was 17 went off to the Vietnam War.

He came to the funeral, but did not get in. And he was out in the street in front of Paisley Park, while that he was going on. And he was very

upset about that, and he was upset about his access to Paisley Park in a private meeting with lawyers, he asked Prince`s sister, Tyka, if he could

have access to Paisley Park, and she said just you, no one else. And he turned to her and said, if it`s only me, it`s only you, and no one else in

your family. So they had that little gripe for a while, but they`ve worked that out about getting access. They`ve all been in Paisley Park now and

been able to have access and see the place and see whatever they want to see.

PINSKY: Speaking of at Paisley Park, Stephanie Elam is right there. Stephanie, are you familiar with this feud and Alfred`s inability to get

into the proceedings?

ELAM: I`m familiar with they`ve had some struggles, that the siblings have had some contentious conversations, to say the least. I was in the probate

court hearing last Monday when you had five of the six living siblings to Prince who were there. Tyka obviously the one full-blooded relative and

the other four. Watching them interact, you can tell there is really not a lot of relationship between all of these siblings. I think part of the

reason is you have siblings that come from Prince`s mom and siblings that come from Prince`s dad. But yes, it doesn`t seem like they`re all warm and

all-knowing each other. At one point, I am almost positive, I heard two siblings say "Nice to meet you." So there half siblings but because they`re

coming from different sides of the branch, they don`t know each other. So it is very much fractured.

FRAZIER: You have to remember you`re talking about the brothers who live in Kansas City, and then you`re talking about Tyka, who is in Minneapolis

and one of the brothers who wasn`t able to be there, he granted everything to Tyka and the sisters, so they took care of everything for him during the

court hearing. But it`s a very interesting and fractured family, and they`re coming together for the first time. And they have to figure this

out, because here`s the big problem. It`s not that you have a chunk of money and they`re dividing it up, but you`re looking at assets, like all

that music in the vault. Someone told me that when they were in the vault ten years ago that there were 15,000 songs. So if there`s enough for, as

someone has estimated, for 87 albums to come out, how do you divide that up, how do you figure out who puts that out? Who is in control of that, and

that is the big issue right now. It`s not the money, they can figure out the money, but they can`t figure out the assets. And until any of that

money goes out, Drew, they`re all kind of broke.

ELIZABETH: That`ll be even more amazing thing if they find out these are Prince`s children, because children will trump the siblings, and they

definitely don`t know each other. So how are they going to work out all those issues. It`ll be very interesting.

PINSKY: Will the siblings have any claim?

ELIZABETH: No.

PINSKY: That`s crazy. Stephanie, you wanted to say something?

[19:20:00] ELAM: Definitely. First of all, I heard about the vault. I heard that is highly catalogued. That it was in a temperature controlled,

humidity controlled room and that everything was cataloged on what was in there. But here`s the question, Dr. Drew, Kevin and Sierra, everyone

listening to this. How do you value? What`s more valuable? What`s more valuable, "Purple Rain," "Little Red Corvette"? Like how do you value which

song is more valuable than the next? It depends on, does this one have meaning to me, because he wrote this the year that I had my son. Are you

going to need that kind of thing? It`s very hard to break down intellectual property in that way.

FRAZIER: I will say this. Everything that is in that vault that has nothing to do with Warner Music or Warner Brothers or anything that he has

to share with them. Everything else that has never been released and no one has touched or had their hands on is the really valuable stuff.

Because that is right -- you have that clinging and that is yours and you can make every penny off of it. Remember, in his later years, that is what

Prince did. He`s the guy who said, "I`m going to make an album and if you want to help me distribute it, that`s fine, I`ll make a deal for

distribution." But he had recently signed a deal with Warner Brothers again.

PINSKY: When I hear the details of all the artistic material that was coming out of this guy and how much he has been robbed of, we`ve been

robbed of, again, because of this misadventure, it doesn`t have to happen. People should not be dying of medications that doctors prescribe. That`s

insane. Can we get a handle on this, people?

Next up, I have Arsenio Hall and Sinead O`Connor in a nasty battle over Prince and drugs. He`s suing. She`s laughing.

And still to come, a mother of three murdered in church, bludgeoned to death. Was she in contact with her killer? New clues tonight. Back after

this

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[19:25:54] ARSENIO HALL, HOST, LATE NIGHT WITH ARSENIO HALL: There`s only one way to start this. The first person to contact me when I came back to

"Late Night" was this man to congratulate me. He will be here to save me tonight. Thank you, Prince, and you`ve always been a good friend. Always.

And here`s the interesting thing. Do you have a cell phone?

Prince: No.

Hall: See, I`m always shocked when I hear from you. But how do you survive in this world without a cell phone?

Prince: Everybody I know has one.

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PINSKY: That was a clip from the Arsenio Hall Show in September of 2014. Arsenio`s close friendship with Prince has now been called into question by

Sinead O`Connor. She accuses Arsenio of having supplied Prince with drugs. Arsenio now suing Sinead for $5 million. Back with Sierra, Kevin,

Stephanie. Sinead O`Connor posting this on Facebook "Two words for the DEA investigating where Prince got his drugs over the decades. Arsenio Hall.

Anyone imagining Prince was not a hard drug user was living in cloud cuckoo land." So, Sierra, first of all, is there anything libelous in what she`s

saying?

ELIZABETH: Yes, absolutely. So liable, you have to make a false defamatory statement that causes harm. And it has to be negligent and

published in something.

PINSKY: It`s all there.

ELIZABETH: He`s met all of the elements right there. Unless it was true, I guess, is what she said. She came out and said, hey, he`s not going to

be able to prove it`s false.

FRAZIER: It`s ludicrous. Let me just say this. I`ve been in contact with Arsenio, and he -- literally his mouth hit the floor, because like everyone

else, Sinead, what are you talking about? It`s one of those things.

PINSKY: Let me give you more. Here`s another quote. This is Sinead when she gets sued now by Arsenio. Quote, regarding Arse-enio -- she thinks

she`s being funny, Arse-enio -- I`m very happy to notice that the DEA that have taken me seriously enough to be thoroughly questioning all of Prince`s

friends and aides from the last 30 years as to his known history of hard drug use and where he obtained his drugs. I do not like drugs killing

musicians." Now, we all agree with her on that one. I don`t like that there are doctors prescribing and diverting. I don`t like the people that

diverted. I don`t like the people that didn`t confront him. This did not have to happen. So she`s on to something here. This probably has been

going on for a while, but not Arsenio.

FRAZIER: Here`s the thing. Get off of Arsenio. Just stop, Sinead. Honestly, that`s ridiculous. I do say this. He has had that hip and ankle

issue for a long time. And he`s been trying to deal with that for a long time. I hate when people are making the narrative that Prince was some guy

who was out like going crazy, snorting lines of cocaine. No, he had a really bad hip.

PINSKY: He had a bad hip, and he was a trauma survivor, so he was prone to these things. It doesn`t mean he was an addict. Stephanie, did you get

that distinction? I`m sorry, Sierra, did you get that distinction?

ELIZABETH: Yes, absolutely.

Stephanie, you had actually spoken to some of the physicians involved in Sinead`s band, is that right?

ELAM: They are former band members of Prince`s band a few years ago, and they were talking about -- yes, Prince`s band, and in fact they were on the

band with him performing with Prince when he recorded "Nothing Compares to You." So they know back all the way back then. As the story goes, Prince

and Sinead O`Connor had the same manager, and that`s how Sinead O`Connor even became aware of the song. What I`m told is Prince doesn`t like it

when people cover his songs. He wasn`t a big fan of that. Of course, her version went on to become a much bigger hit. From what I understand, they

never really like each other. There was no love loss between Sinead O`Connor and Prince. That also has to color the lens through which you

look at this Facebook post and you see how she wrote it. The other thing about it is, according to these guys who were in the band with them, Prince

had no hobbies.

[19:30:00] His hobby was to go play more music and that`s why he was up around the clock, playing all the time to clear through chords and ideas

until he came up with something he wanted to build out into a full song. He said he was a relentless rehearser and would stay in rehearsals for so

long, that`s what they saw him do. They didn`t see him do anything else. He lived for his music.

FRAZIER: And that is the Prince that most people who had access to him saw, that guy who was relentless with his music. So it is ludicrous for

Sinead O`Connor to come back now with this.

PINSKY: And the fact -- I`m sort of glad this is happening. I`m sorry Sinead and Arsenio are not getting along, but the fact somebody is being

held accountable for their social media post, it`s about damn time. You know what I mean? This is $5 million. Is she going to end up paying some

money for this?

ELIZABETH: You know, it will probably settle, because that`s how lawsuits go. But thank goodness we`re putting our feet to the fire and saying, you

can`t do this. She could have obviously made a confidential report to the police or D.A. she chose not to, she chose to use her social media account

for bad, and she should be punished for that.

PINSKY: Use it for bad. Lots of people do. Kevin, I have a feeling we`re going to see more stuff this week about this Prince story that really is

unsettling. I`m fearful it will taint the legacy.

FRAZIER: Here`s the thing that people have to remember. There is this insatiable desire to break some kind of radical story that`s going to make

him out to be some kind of fiend and create headlines. He`s not that guy. He was a musical genius who lost his life because of a horrible addiction

to painkillers.

PINSKY: Let`s not call it addiction. Dependency.

FRAZIER: Dependency.

PINSKY: It may or may not have been addiction. I believe we`re going to see more on the doctors around him. That`s where this story is going to go

next, because there`s going to be a lot of people`s names on those prescriptions.

FRAZIER: I will tell you this. There are people out there who know exactly what went on. And there are people out there who are involved in

it.

PINSKY: Is the public going to know?

FRAZIER: I believe it will come out 100% to the public because there are people out there who want to talk, because they want the real story out

there.

PINSKY: Now, here`s the job of the consuming public, which is not allow that to taint this poor man`s legacy, but let`s learn from this and let`s

stop this crazy overprescribing in our country where we, in the United States, are consuming 75 to 80% of all the painkillers on earth, and be

aware that when you combine it with other things, particularly the benzos, it`s a lethal combination. Let`s cut it out.

Next, money, jealousy, cheating, were they all motives for a mysterious murder? New details tonight about the woman who was bludgeoned to death in

a church. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a very loving mother of three. Loved her husband very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say this person in black tactical gear killed Bevers, first breaking into the Creekside Church of Christ before she

showed up to teach a fitness class.

Nancy Grace: Is killed by multiple stab wounds to the head and the chest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe that she was targeted. OK, that`s my opinion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Money problems and extramarital affairs were a problem, according to the police affidavit. Police confirmed Bevers` husband

Brandon knew about her infidelity in the relationship and he told police about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators hope someone will recognize the person`s walk or stature.

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PINSKY: Missy Bevers, mother of three, murdered in a church. Surveillance videos shows a person dressed in police tactical gear , roaming the church

hallway minutes before her demise. New tonight, revealing messages on Missy`s phone and social media accounts. I`m back with Sierra and we are

joined by Pat Lalama, managing editor Crime Watch Daily. Watch her special investigation tonight about a cold case that may be solved by a cross-

country kidnapping. And Randy Sutton, retired lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, author of "A Cop`s Life." Now

according to a police warrant, Missy has been exchanging, so-called intimate messages with a man she met three months ago on LinkedIn.

Apparently her husband knew about her affair, told police about it. Pat, is this the same person she had the affair with? Who knew about the affair?

I guess, you just got off the phone with the husband. What did he tell you?

PAT LALAMA, MANAGING EDITOR CRIME WATCH DAILY: Well first let me tell you, I did speak to Brandon Bevers. And you know what, something I hadn`t even

thought of, this would be the first mother`s day that his three young girls were not with their mother, and he told me it was an extremely emotional

day for he and his family, as you can imagine. He said for one of the daughters in particular, really, really difficult. He tells me they are in

counseling, but they are going to school. And something else I found interesting, he said, his mother-in-law, Missy`s mom practically lives at

his house. She is very, very close with the family. They`re sticking together, and as far as she`s concerned, it looks like she doesn`t look at

him as any possible suspect at all. They are sticking together, particularly for the sake of the children.

As for that LinkedIn message, there is a couple different things. First, a couple of days before her murder, they believed there was one set of text

coming from a so-called creepy person they`re still trying to identify. But according to the affidavits, and I read them all today, there was

another communication going on with someone else for a matter of months. It is unclear whether that person -- I could name him but I`m not going to

at this point, all you have to do is read the affidavit -- that that person and she were communicating, according to this, since January. That doesn`t

mean anything. We don`t know that that`s an affair. It could be a friendship, but that`s what we know.

PINSKY: Pat, do you get any of the content of that LinkedIn exchange in the affidavit?

[19:10:00] LALAMA: No, the affidavits all the one`s that I read do not talk about anything to do with this person, whom I won`t name at this

point, but allegedly -- not allegedly. It`s in the affidavit. Police believe they have been communicating since January.

PINSKY: But Randy, do you have a hunch on this? It looks as though somebody -- either the wife was involved with or something like that, or

the wife of somebody he was involved with, perhaps, she was involved with?

RANDY SUTTON, RETIRED LIEUTENANT, LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT, AUTHOR, "A COP`S LIFE": Rarely does it become a stranger murder of

whodunit like that. So I think when everything comes out, there sounds like there are a ton of leads here, and they`re following it up. Generally

speaking, there is a relationship.

PINSKY: So it`s not as though this person we see roaming the halls was there robbing the church or something and this woman happened to walk into

that.

SUTTON: I would seriously doubt that. Look at the disguise this individual is wearing. This was planned, the fact -- and there are no

coincidences when it comes to the fact he was there --

PINSKY: Why was it planned? That`s crazy, a woman and getting a swat outfit together? It`s so nutty.

ELIZABETH: This is what I would say, she has to have had a relationship with this person. Because they knew her schedule. Going to a church early

in the morning at 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. in the morning knowing she had a class to teach?

PINSKY: Well, she posted it on Facebook. Again, at least this person was stalking her on Facebook, at least.

ELIZABETH: Exactly, and probably communicating with her through social media as well.

PINSKY: Maybe, that`s the LinkedIn thing. I`m asking you, do you have a hunch based on what we hear so far, Randy? Do you think she was having an

affair of someone? Is this maybe the wife of someone she`s having the affair with, or the husband? There is a lot of chaos in this relationship.

SUTTON: There is. There is. But there was also some other factors that came out. Another relative was seen bringing a bloodied shirt into a

cleaners. And so where does all that fit into this?

PINSKY: I`ll have some footage on that and I`ll play for you in just a second. Pat, do you have an answer for something were bringing up here? Go

ahead.

LALAMA: Well I just wanted to say, regarding the dog issue. It has to do with the dog.

I`ve actually got the father-in-law`s tape of him. I don`t know if you guys can grab that for me, but we actually have the father-in-law saying,

look this was just a dog that killed in our -- whatever, this is my wife`s shirt. Back to the husband, Pat. It seems like the husband is getting a

pretty strong pass. He was out of the state fishing when she was murdered. I`m going to show you what he told reporters when someone asked if he was a

suspect.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have the police at any time indicated you were a suspect?

BRANDON BEVERS, MISSY`S HUSBAND: No. Well I mean, I`m part of the process, OK. I`m part of the process of elimination. They start from

within and work their way out.

Here`s the deal, everybody is a suspect, OK? Everybody is a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the real world, everybody is a suspect until that person is caught, OK? If you wasn`t a suspect until that person is caught,

they wouldn`t be doing their job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: I got to say, pat, their affect is a little different than I normally see other murder suspects taking. I guess that`s a good sign.

LALAMA: Brandon is an interesting guy to talk to. We were talking today about an article that came out last week that he`s found peace with God

about the death of his wife. And he also, in that article last week, talked about randomly going to talk to police. So I asked him about that

today. I said, what did you mean you randomly walk into a police station? He said, `I`m committed to solving this and oftentimes I will come up with

ideas, and so I like to go in and tell them my ideas, the things that they may pursue." He said that so far they haven`t really picked up on any of

them. Let`s face it, until someone is in custody, the husband is always someone we look at. It doesn`t make them a suspect, but you know it

wouldn`t be anything, Well, no lawyer is going to come after me and sue me for saying he could be a person of interest just because of the facts of

the case.

PINSKY: The proximity.

LALAMA: Absolutely. Even though he was in Mississippi, let`s face it, people can have crimes committed. I`m just saying these as hypotheticals.

I have no reason to believe Brandon has done anything to his wife.

Now next up -- yes, I`ve seen "forensic files," I understand someone can be someplace else and get something done. Next up, the mystery of what these

guys were describing that blood-stained t-shirt. Clues there? No. Have those clues been washed away forever? You`ll hear about that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:48:35] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone that you talked to that knew her loved her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The family of Terry Missy Bevers said she showed up at the church to lead the 5:00 a.m. camp gladiator session she had posted

about on line.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The intruder dressed in tactical gear, he was already in the church.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say he broke into the church before Bevers arrived. Then assaulted her and left her unresponsive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did Missy`s killer actually record her murder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think she was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I feel like somebody was after her.

PINSKY: Missy Bevers, mother of three, murdered in a church where she had planned to teach a fitness class. Police are hunting for this person seen

on surveillance camera just minutes before she arrived. I`m back with Sierra, Randy And Pat. Let me show you a timeline of what we know. At

3:50 a.m., that intruder is seen on a surveillance video roaming the halls. At 4:20 a.m., missy enters the church, 4:35 the first participant arrives

for the class, 5 :00 a.m. two 911 calls made to police. And randy, you were saying that the method of murder suggests something more than just

some sort of -- either her walking in on something or someone that was hired to kill her, even.

[19:50:00] SUTTON: The method of killing her was a hammer. And that really the number of strikes, the manner of injuries, indicates a deep

rage. And generally speaking, that type of rage comes from a personal relationship not a random act, so to speak. So to me, that`s another

indication that this was a planned event especially the individual who committed this knew that there was a surveillance camera there and dressed

appropriately in order to safeguard the face and the head.

PINSKY: Sierra, I keep thinking this is something to do with the chaos in their relationship. Whenever relationships get chaotic, horrible passions

fly and stuff like this happens, right?

ELIZABETH: Absolutely. It looks like she might have had more than one relationship going. It looks like the husband may have known about some of

these relationships. It starts to get really dicey when you have multiple people having interactions with her on a potential daily base.

PINSKY: Four days after the murder -- I want to tell you about that shirt. The father-in-law took four shirts to the dry cleaners. One of those was a

woman`s shirt covered in blood. He said the blood was from their dog who had been killed by another dog. Police still waiting on DNA testing. But

here`s what he told police.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that had it -- that was trying to hide something would not have done something like that.

BEVERS: The fact that the person at the dry cleaner had the wherewithal to call the police, we need that kind of vigilance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: So Pat, there`s the husband talking about the shirt. There does not seem to be anything there, but police are still testing.

LALAMA: Of course. They must have. The other only thing I know about that scenario is that the shirts were double X female. I don`t know if

that has any relevance. But as far as their story goes, it was their dog, it was two family dogs that weren`t familiar with each other because family

had come from out of town, because of all of this chaos regarding Missy being murdered. And those two dogs didn`t get along. Therefore, she was

holding -- someone, a woman was holding the dog on the way to the vet and they had to keep using other shirts.

PINSKY: So that was all documented, I guess, people corroborated that?

LALAMA: You know, I have read from reliable news sources that the vet corroborated it. But I think it would behoove police, of course, to still

test that for DNA.

Pat, you`ve read all these affidavits. You`ve been covering the story. I asked Randy and Sierra what their hunch was. What is your hunch on this?

Why do I keep going back to their marriage? It seems like there`s something there.

LALAMA: Dang you, Dr. Drew, for asking me that question. I wish that I knew. I will say, like you, I`ve been a journalist for 150 years. That my

instincts tell me that it does have something to do -- now, I did talk to Brandon about the marital and financial issues. I can`t tell you what he

told me unfortunately.

PINSKY: Why, why?

LALAMA: I just can`t. We talked off the record about those particular things. But maybe someday down the road. But I`m just guessing, from my

conversation with him, a claw hammer. What appears to be perhaps a woman, a mismatched police. Come on, just instincts tell you that this just

wasn`t some person in a church looking to steal the chalice if there was one. There was something to this.

PINSKY: But there`s a high passion involved, as Randy is saying, the method of kill is just unbelievably brutal. But the being there, and

laying and waiting in a SWAT outfit for an hour knowing what time she`ll get there, it`s diabolical. You just think that there`s got to be some

hint -- he must know. The husband must know the kind of person or have some ideas about the kind of person in their life, who might do this sort

of thing.

LALAMA: Well, are you still asking me, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Yes, I`m asking you.

LALAMA: Ok, here`s what I think. You look at that footage and tell me that`s not some of the most chilling footage you`ve seen. Walking, it`s a

very strange gait. Someone said, I think it was a law enforcement person that said it looked like maybe there was a leg injury. And the person is

walking around and kind of wielding the hammer and trying to open doors. Because there was some additional footage released just a couple days ago.

What`s really interesting, you wonder could there have been another person who never made it on that surveillance footage? And why didn`t we see

anything on the outside? My understanding is that the cameras outside the church didn`t work. Would the assailant know that as well? How come we

don`t know -- no one saw anybody around that neighborhood at that time going in and out of the church?

PINSKY: Right, you wouldn`t see a SWAT outfit going into the church. It is the middle of the night. It is sort of rural-ish. All right, next up,

Missy, as I said, posted about what she was going to do that morning on Facebook. Can`t they track the killer through looking through social media

who was looking at her Facebook? I want to know that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:58:51] PINSKY: Missy Bevers brutally murdered inside a church. Police hunting for her killer. Back with Sierra, Randy and Pat. Suspect as you

know was dressed in full SWAT gear. And Randy, you were saying that -- you mentioned something during the break about who this person might likely be.

Tell me.

SUTTON: What the police are doing right now is called victimology. They are learning every possible thing about Missy Bevers. And a lot of the

times when you delve into someone`s background that deeply, you discover things that you probably didn`t think you were going to discover. And

there will be no secrets. And that`s probably the key to solving this crime is in the victimology.

Pat, anything to add to that? I`ve got 20 seconds.

LALAMA: Well, it just that it feels to me that somebody really wanted to get her, whether some angry woman, whether somebody put her, him/her,

somebody really wanted to really send a message.

PINSKY: Sierra, last thought.

ELIZABETH: Absolutely.

PINSKY: We all agree?

ELIZABETH: We all agree.

PINSKY: Somebody diabolical, somebody angry. We`ll see what other skeletons are in her closet, which is unfortunate. DVR the show so you can

watch us any time. We appreciate you all watching. I appreciate my guests, great job, great panel. Pat, thank you. We`ll see you next time.

Nancy Grace is up next.

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