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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A career that David has committed to the people of Texas, maybe the Lord said, "Well, I`m going to give him a break."
[19:00:17] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Drew, Sinead O`Connor found alive after suddenly vanishing Sunday afternoon. Some feared for the troubled
singer`s life after a disturbing post on social media, but there is much, much more to this story.
Joining me, Lisa Guerrero, Correspondent for Inside Edition, Leo Terrel, attorney, Jena Kravitz, clinical nurse psychologist, and from the CNN
Newsroom VERCAMMEN:
Of course, Paul, where and how was she found?
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, she was found late today. Let`s begin Drew, with how this started. There was a check to welfare call.
That is not uncommon, no, but it is uncommon for a 49-year-old. So there were very many concerns about the state of Sinead O`Connor. She had gone
missing after a bicycle ride. And then about 2:11 in the afternoon yesterday, a very disturbing dispatcher characterized her as possibly
suicidal and suggesting that she was suffering from depression and possibly post-traumatic stress disorder, and that she may have an illusion to try to
kill herself at a hotel. So they began this missing person search, but she turned up later this afternoon OK, fine, as one officer told me. And at
1:45 they declared her to no longer be missing and/or in danger. And of course, Drew, she has had some bouts with suicide or suicidal tendencies or
thoughts in the past sort of checkered for past 15 years.
PINSKY: Paul, you`ve been running around these holes for a long time like me. Have you ever interviewed Sinead O`Connor?
VERCAMMEN: I do not believe I have directly, no.
PINSKY: And we`ve been hearing stuff about her for a long time, right?
VERCAMMEN: Oh, absolutely. And as I said, her past has, sort of, checkered with this.
PINSKY: Well, checkered somehow means that there`s something kind of unsavory about her past but she seems ill. Like something is desperately
wrong. And she didn`t even talked about it, is that true?
VERCAMMEN: Oh, absolutely. She`s even sung about it.
PINSKY: Yes.
VERCAMMEN: : And even on some of her recent songs, she`s always had this sort of devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other, and her
Catholicism is woven through all of that. Although she probably no longer practicing Catholic, she`s often praying to God and asking for forgiveness.
And she openly questioned in one song, is it too late to save me? I think that`s a rather smoking gun lyric right there, Drew.
PINSKY: All right. Paul, thanks. Jena what do we think this is? I mean this -- it`s clearly depression or suicidiality, but is that a feature
of something else?
JENA KRAVITZ, CLINICAL NURSE PSYCHOLOGIST: You know I was just thinking, I`ve heard the stories about how she went for a bike ride at 6:00 in the
morning, wearing leather pants. She goes missing for an entire day. This is not somebody who`s using rational thoughts or is based in reality. This
is somebody who presents with a ton of suicide risk factors. And, you know, to be honest, I wouldn`t be surprised if the next headline we see is,
you know, Sinead O`Connor killed herself. She`s really at risk.
PINSKY: Right.
KRAVITZ: There are so many pleas for help here. From the Facebook posts and the lyrics in the songs, it`s just a matter of time until she actually
does it.
PINSKY: I don`t know about you, but I don`t believe in, sort of, pleas for help. I just believe in the fact that there are symptoms out there.
And she`s manifesting tons of symptoms that suggest she`s really in trouble. And eventually is somebody is really in trouble, if they`re not
participating in care, if they`re not doing things to prevent consequences, they`re going to develop.
KRAVITZ: But she also have -- seems to have a really limited support system, not so great coping skills. I mean, we don`t know if this is
substance-induced depressive symptoms or psychotic, you know, features, so we still have a lot to learn. But certainly this is somebody who
absolutely needs help or the consequences could be suicide.
PINSKY: But she posted on Facebook six months ago, quote, "The last two nights have finished me off. I`ve taken an overdose. There is no other
way to "get respect." I`m not at home, I`m in a hotel somewhere in Ireland under another name." So Lisa, here we go, there she is again. And there`s
certain amount of chaos in this -- that Facebook post as well, right?
LISA GUERRERO, CORRESPONDENT FOR INSIDE EDITION: Absolutely. And then even more recently, she`s been in the news because she got into trouble
with something she said about Arsenio Hall. Where she claimed that Arsenio Hall gave Prince drugs. And then Arsenio Hall was going to sue her for
what she said. And that just happened within the last couple of weeks.
So I think we`ve seen over a period of time that she`s been publicly demonstrative about her depression and talking about it. She`s been
talking about her, you know, troubles, some relationship with her children, and now this latest with Arsenio Hall and Prince. I think that, you know,
she definitely has had a history of trouble, and thank God -- thank God, that today ended well and she was found safe.
PINSKY: In 2007 she spoke with Oprah about having bipolar disorder. That didn`t necessarily stick. Watch this from Owen.
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SINEAD O`CONNOR: This is some weird stabilizer, yes. I`m under antidepressants. There was this huge hole and when I took the meds, and
within a half an hour, it was literally like I felt concrete coming in to fill the hole.
It was actually like something broke in my brain is the way that I would have experienced it. Everything just became too much. And I was -- the
best way I could describe it to you, is you`re just so sad, just terribly sad.
OPRAH GAIL WINFREY: Now, when was it that you had your serious suicide attempt?
SINEAD O`CONNOR: In 33.
OPRAH GAIL WINFREY: Thirty-three?
SINEAD O`CONNOR: Yes. I did it on my birthday which is a real bipolar -- pardon me, drama thing to do.
OPRAH GAIL WINFREY: Yes.
SINEAD O`CONNOR: You know what I mean. So, I can laugh about it now at least.
OPRAH GAIL WINFREY: And so would you say that the meds have brought you into balance or helped you...
SINEAD O`CONNOR: Yes.
OPRAH GAIL WINFREY: ...come into balance?
SINEAD O`CONNOR: Yes, definitely. I mean it`s a work in progress, do you know what I mean? I`m not going to claim that I`m kind of perfect or
anything.
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PINSKY: All right, Jena, she said there that she was being dramatic in how she manifested her suicidality. On the Facebook post she says that what,
she gets no respect so she`s going to commit suicide. Then after that Oprah interview, she revealed that she was actually misdiagnosed because
she has post-traumatic stress disorder. When I add the bipolarity, the PTSD, and the dramatic features up, that comes out with one thing does it
not?
KRAVITZ: Yes, this is not somebody who is based in reality. This is somebody who`s very unstable. It`s probably actually multi-factorial,
right? I mean, I wouldn`t doubt the bipolar but the psychotic features minimizing her symptoms and then overdramatizing them...
PINSKY: Borderline.
KRAVITZ: Yes.
PINSKY: No? No?
KRAVITZ: Yes, I don`t know her well enough. But it sure seems like it she needs a lot of attention.
PINSKY: Yes. So the drama, the chaos, the wild mood swings, the association with bipolarity, the PTSD which is a social borderline
features, it could all just be all bipolar, all PTSD, or a combination of both. That`s enough to make somebody horribly psychiatrically ill, right?
I mean it`s really a problem to live like that. I just hope she`s getting the right treatment. Leo, what are the - what are the sort of remedies
family members can pull on or reach out for to try to get her under control if she has this chronic issue?
LEO TERRELL, ATTORNEY: Well, thanks for getting me into this conversation because I`m just chomping at the bit. Listen, I cannot understand. I had
one of the biggest cases where a woman was bipolar and the police released her. Why didn`t the police arrest her? Put her in a 5150. Put her in a
psych ward. She cannot do (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: Leo, I agree. Leo, I totally agree with you.
TERRELL: Where`s the plea?
PINSKY: But here`s -- two things I`ll say to that. What`s 72 hours in a psych ward going to do for somebody who`s chronically mental ill? Number
one. Number two, the cops get sued if they don`t meet the criteria precisely.
TERRELL: But it`s a start Dr. Drew. And this woman had a history. I`ve been listening to all you professionals talk about this woman, and she has
not been able to take care of her matter privately. This is where the public has an obligation...
PINSKY: So...
TERRELL: (INAUDIBLE) this one.
PINSKY: So Leo, conservatorship? You put somebody into conservatorship, you think that`ll stick?
TERRELL: Well, I`m not saying it`ll stick, Dr. Drew. But I`m saying well, what about the initial 5150 ...
PINSKY: I`m saying -- no, I`m saying that`s a high liability move with little potential outcome unless she`s actively suicidal. But I agree with
you that some sort of chronic measures do need to be taken. The problem is we can`t get those done. She was in Ireland.
TERRELL: Sure.
PINSKY: She won`t sit for that. All right. Next up, more people want a piece of Prince`s multi-million-dollar pie. We will tell you what they
have to do if they want that money. And still to come, a botched surgery leaves a young mother dead. Who is to blame? The victims or the surgeon?
Back after this.
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[19:12:01] PINSKY: Tonight, new information. There`s a scramble to locate potential heirs before the clock runs out.
TERRELL: There was a 40-minute meeting in judge`s chambers. They asked the family, are there any other people that you believe could be heir that
could come forward, and there were two people that they identified as possible heirs.
GUERRERO: The siblings have had some contentious conversations to say the least. I was in the probate court hearing. We had five of the six living
siblings and friends who were there. Like obviously, the one full-blooded relative, and the other four. We`ve got siblings that come from Prince`s
mom, and we have siblings that come from Prince`s dad.
At one point I am almost positive, I heard two of the siblings say, "Nice to meet you."
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PINKSY: Prince`s siblings, at least the ones we know about, appear to have new competition in the battle for his multimillion-dollar estate as well as
his future earnings. Will this get ugly before it gets settled? Back with Lisa and Leo. Joining us, Stephanie Elam, CNN Correspondent who`s been
covering the story.
Stephanie, now, who are these new people making claims?
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what this has to do with, Dr. Drew, is one of the half-siblings who wasn`t mentioned in the original
petition. And the reason why he may not have been mentioned is because he passed away in 2011. And we`re talking about Duane Nelson, Sr.
So, he`s already passed away, but he had a son, Duane Nelson, Jr. Duane, Jr. has already passed away as well on 2005, but he did have a daughter.
According to this new filing with the court, that`s what we`re learning about, who they`re just referring to as V.N.
And this comes from a lawyer who previously represented Duane, Jr. in some of his legal needs before, saying that he believes that there is daughter
who could be a potential heir since the father and also the grandfather have already passed on. Also worth noting, that Duane Nelson, Sr. had a
daughter named Brianna, and that she could also be a potential heir here. So, this is putting it all together.
PINKSY: Stephanie. Yes. You`re not -- well, you`re trying to be -- you`re doing a good job of attempting to -- well, actually, on the screen -
- you guys, you have to put that back again. We have a family tree. Is that just on that particular side of the family? If you guys could please
put that up again? Yes. Or join ...
ELAM: So, there you go.
PINKSY: That`s the Duane Nelson side. OK. Got it.
ELAM: So, this is the part that we need to see. So, Duane Nelson who`s a half-brother. This is another son of Prince`s dad.
PINKSY: Got it.
ELAM: There`s another son of Prince`s dad, Duane Nelson. He had Brianna and Duane, Jr. But now, keep in mind, both Duane have already passed away.
Both have already passed away. Duane, Jr. then had V.N. She is still alive. This will be the grandniece we`re talking about of Prince. And
this is who this potential heir is.
PINKSY: And the DNA testing. The potential heirs that want to test DNA. Now, it`s on them, right?
ELAM: Right. And here`s the thing. Remember, the court had already said, "We are going to need to save some of the blood from Prince Rogers Nelson.
Keep that blood aside we may need to do DNA testing." The court has already granted the administrator of the trust, Bremer, to do this. Now,
what they`re saying is that, "Listen Bremer Trust may decide that we need to do more DNA testing here to find out if you truly are an heir.
And if so, we will tell you that we needed to do that testing, and you`re going to have to pay for it." That`s probably a way to try to keep some of
the people who are making claims out of the fray if they really don`t have a true claim, but this is their way of trying to find out for sure whether
or not they really are related to Prince.
PINKSY: Thank you, Stephanie. Leo, is that appropriate to thin the herd by creating a financial distress? Of course, if they really have
legitimate claim, they don`t have to worry about finance.
TERRELL: Exactly. And here`s my point, why rush to judge it right now? If anyone claims to be related to Prince, come forward, pay the DNA fee,
and get tested. But I hope they`re not trying to divvy up the money before everyone has an opportunity to be heard.
Everyone is entitled to due process, Dr. Drew, and I think people are trying to get the money divided up. And let`s be honest, some of these
immediate family members, they know of these other siblings out there. They`re not being candid with the court in my opinion.
PINKSY: Joining by phone is Andrew Stoltmann. He is an attorney for one of the possible Prince heirs. This is the -- potentially the singer`s
niece and grandniece. Andrew, thank you for joining us.
ANDREW STOLTMANN, ATTORNEY FOR DUANE NELSON, JR.: Anytime.
PINKSY: So, tell us about these two ladies. My understanding is the grandniece is a minor?
STOLTMANN: That`s correct. She`s 11 years old.
PINKSY: And their claim is as Stephanie had described it?
STOLTMANN: I think Stephanie actually did a really good job of describing it. Yes. Brianna Nelson is a niece of Prince, and V.N. is a grandniece.
And we`re representing both, and under Minnesota law, they are heirs along with the other half-brothers and half-sisters, or at least their estates to
Prince`s fortune.
PINKSY: Now, what`s the issue whether -- when it comes to whether the deceased half-brother, Duane Nelson was actually related to Prince? Is
there some question there?
STOLTMANN: Apparently, there -- I mean, there may be. I mean, at least one or two published reports have come out claiming that Duane Nelson was a
stepbrother and not a half-brother. Now, that doesn`t make a huge difference under the law, but that being said, I mean, there`s no question
that Duane Nelson was a -- he was a half-brother. They share the same dad, so they are very clearly blood relatives.
PINKSY: And as for -- do you know anything, Andrew, about the potential offspring? Are those legitimate claims? Are those going to neutralize
everyone else`s?
STOLTMANN: No, no. I -- it -- there in Minnesota, under the intestate law, it`s very clear as to who heirs are and who heirs aren`t. And the
first level are the children, the children of the deceased. If there no children, then it becomes the parents. If the parents are deceased, then
it becomes brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, and grandnieces and nephews.
So, I realized there are a lot of people literally hundreds coming forward claiming to be heirs, but there is tried and true case law as to who is or
is not an heir, and that will all play out in court.
PINKSY: Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate it. Now, on Friday, Prince`s only full sibling, Tyka, the sister, attempted to put to rest some of the
rumors of conflict amongst the various siblings that Andrew was just discussing.
She posted this on Facebook, "To my knowledge, no one in my family has fought about anything, and least of all, me. But I must admit, I think
it`s funny that I`m the one that they say, `Stormed out` or that `We are at war` Me? US? Really? Where was I when all that happened?" Lisa, have
you heard anything about this?
GUERRERO: No. And, you know, we had heard rumors that Tyka was upset with some of the other family members, or the other family members were upset
with her.
You know, ultimately, I`m still glad she posted this, and I wish more people would use social media, kind of like, Donald Trump does, to get
their message directly to the public, because then, you know, reports can`t make up what she claims are these, you know, troubles between the siblings
when one of the siblings just said, you know, "That`s not true. We`re all getting along. There`s not a problem."
Although most people would certainly admit that, you know, millions -- hundreds of millions of dollars is a good reason to have a little bit of a
beef with your stepsister or half-brother.
PINKSY: Lisa, I know what a Trump fan you are. I never thought I`d heard you say or do anything like Donald.
GUERRERO: Right.
PINKSY: I`ve had -- a little surprised there. Next up, Prince`s bodyguard says he never saw Prince abused drugs. He will tell us what he knows about
the singer`s last days. And still to come, a 29-year old mother dies from complications of plastic surgery. Was the procedure in any way safe?
Appropriately -- was it appropriate? Back after this.
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[19:23:30] PINSKY: DEA agents investigating Prince`s death are looking at the inner circle. The name Kurt Johnson ...
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He is the Paisley Park estate manager. He also was a drummer in Prince`s band. We know his name because his name was
listed on the search warrant. He has hired a criminal defense attorney.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was around Prince`s inner circle. People in your inner circle don`t go get drugs for you. There is nobody that I know who
would have gone an gotten any kind of drugs for him.
PINKSY: Tonight new information about who was in fact a part of Prince`s inner circle and what roles they played. Back with Lisa and Leo. CNN Sara
Sidner has been covering the story. She joins us Live from Paisley Park. And Sara, you actually interviewed Prince`s bodyguard. Let`s take a look
at that.
CHRIS "ROMEO" GAITHER: I`ve been on tour with him for months. So, if anybody had an, addiction ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On drugs? OK.
GAITHER: That would be something you would see.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
GAITHER: That would be something you would know. That would be something that would be shown. Not only through his actions and stuff like that, but
through moments when he thinks people is not looking.
PINKSY: Yes. Sara, I think he is singing a tune that I actually agree with. Which is addiction is different than dependency. And he may be
actually reporting something accurate as The Prince did not actually have addiction per se, which has a lot of behavioral disturbances with it. He
didn`t say, "I never saw the guy take medication."
SIDNER: Right. He`s certainly not a doctor and he didn`t mention the difference between addiction and dependency, but he did say, "Look, I was
with him all over the world. I packed his bags. I was there for several years starting in 2012 up until the day he died. He`s like, "And I was
there watching basically his every move." Not only when people were watching him but when he thought people were not watching him. And he
says, "I never saw him abusing. And he put it that way. I never saw him abusing drugs of any type."
He talked about him being one of the healthiest guys that he had ever met. He said the guy drank juice. He was a vegetarian, he did not eat anything
like the rest of us would eat. He was very careful about what he put into his body. So this is from his perspective and what he saw when he traveled
the world with Prince. He was very adamant and very annoyed about some of the reports that are coming out, and Dr. Drew, you`ve seen all those
reports, but some of them, you know, the doctors showing up here to give test for Prince.
The attorney called the doctor from California saying that he was on a life-saving mission in sending his son to try and come and help Prince. We
don`t know exactly what that was for, but we certainly know that there was something medical going on with Prince because his doctors wouldn`t just
show up here. One other thing that his bodyguard Chris Gaither who`s known as Romeo told us was that, indeed, sometimes Prince would feel low energy
or he`d be feeling a bit under the weather and that doctors would show up to give him things like B-12 shots.
That`s -- he said that`s the only thing that he ever saw when a doctor would come around, happen, is that he would get some sort of B-12 shot to
make him feel better, to give him more energy. And that was it. He said he never saw him taking anything that would be considered either
prescription drugs or that would be considered illegal drugs. Drew?
PINKSY: Thank you, Sara. Again, B-12 is essentially a placebo. I mean, he might be a little low of something. I wonder what else they might have
given him when they were visiting. Again, giving special care for the special person, for a B-12 shot would make no sense at all. Lisa, you got
an exclusive interview with Conrad Murray. Now, he is someone that I`m making associations between his behavior, Conrad Murray`s behavior and
these doctors that were dispatched from Northern California, these other physicians that are running in from the community. He had something very
specific to say about me, right?
GUERRERO: Correct. So he took great umbrage with you Dr. Drew because he said that he shouldn`t be classified as the same kind of doctor that
treated or may not have treated Prince for Opioids.
PINKSY: Well, slow down. So, I shouldn`t be making associations -- when I say "Didn`t we learn anything from Conrad Murray," Conrad Murray doesn`t
know what I`m talking about?
GUERRERO: Conrad Murray was very interesting. He, kind of, claims that he is the victim. Although he went to prison for two years for involuntary
manslaughter for Michael Jackson`s death, he feels like he`s being lumped in with -- and Michael Jackson`s situation is being lumped in with Prince`s
situation unfairly. Because he claims that he never prescribed Opioids for Michael Jackson, he prescribed Propofol. And he feels like that`s not a
fair comparison to the Prince`s situation, which may have included Opioids.
PINKSY: So, Leo, he doesn`t give a pain meds, he only gives a medication that`s an anesthetic designed for inside the hospital? I can`t imagine why
-- he would understand why he would be concerned that I was making a comparison. Now, listen by the way. I am -- this is going to -- people,
is going to sound a little strange. I have no doubt that Conrad Murray was an excellent cardiologist. I have no doubt about that. But he made
special arrangements for a special patient. He violated boundaries by charging special amounts, seeing him under special circumstances, and when
somebody has a mental health or substance issue, that`s a bad idea. But Leo, he hasn`t made -- he doesn`t see why I make the association.
TERRELL: News flash, Conrad Murray was convicted in a court of law of felony and he cannot practice law. And so let me be very clear about that
right now.
PINKSY: Medicine. Medicine.
TERRELL: He is dishonest and untrustworthy. But may I please, Dr. Drew, go back to that bodyguard? Give that guy a polygraph test. He`s lawyered-
up. Do anyone honestly believe that Prince wasn`t taking drugs? Let me think about that. No! Everyone knows it. Are you kidding me?
PINKSY: Right. OK. No. Leo, I`m with you on that. I think he`s splitting hairs. I think he`s ...
TERRELL: Oh, come on. He`s not a -- he`s not a doctor. And he`s certainly lawyered-up. That guy is in trouble.
PINKSY: Let me go back to Conrad Murray for a second. I will show you a tape of ...
TERRELL: Please.
PINKSY: ... Lisa`s interview which airs this Tuesday night on Inside Edition. Check your local listings. It`s depending on where Inside
Edition plays. It`s going to be tomorrow afternoon. But here`s the tape. Take a look at this.
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CONRAD MURRAY: I would say (Clarin)is an attorney. And a good one. Because we have what we call the regular justice and celebrity justice.
GUERRERO: Should Prince`s doctor face the same punishment that you had to face?
MURRAY: No.
GUERRERO: Why?
MURRAY: There is clear instruction on that bottle. If Prince, as an adult, chooses to take 15 pills every six hours versus two pills every six
hours, in the absence of the doctor, do you hold him responsible?
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PINKSY: So, Leo, we blame the patient? Is that right?
TERRELL: Oh, my God. Great job by Lisa. This guy ...
GUERRERO: Thank you.
TERRELL: He can`t even give analysis of a doctor. He`s been stripped. But the answer -- my point Dr. Drew to your question is, you don`t blame
the patient ...
[19:30] PINKSY: So, Leo, we blame the patient? Is that right?
TERRELL: Oh, my God. Great job by Lisa. This guy ...
GUERRERO: Thank you.
TERRELL: He can`t even give analysis of a doctor. He`s been stripped. But the answer -- my point Dr. Drew to your question is, you don`t blame
the patient. And this guy is the last guy on earth to have any credibility as to whether or not there doctors, who are involved in the Prince case,
should be held liable, they should be criminally liable. Shame on him
PINSKY: Well, wait a minute. Let me refrain ...
TERRELL: Shame, shame.
PINSKY: Shame, Leo.
TERRELL: Very much shame, shame, shame.
PINSKY: I`d like to give you a big bit, a big bell that you ring every time you`re say ...
TERRELL: I need big gavel here.
PINKSY: A gavel would be good. Yes. Listen, let me refrain what he said. Hey, somebody - if you determine a patient, somebody has an addiction,
don`t give them 30 tablets of opioids.
GUERERRO: Right.
PINSKY: Don`t do that. And a patient is lying to you? Figure that out. That`s your job. Now, we can make mistakes, and we can miss things, that`s
shame on us and shame on the patient for distorting us. We do our best, but to just go, "It`s on the patient. If I give you 60 pills, you take too
much, that`s bad medicine." Lisa, are you aggrieving?
GUERERRO: Absolutely. I pushed back on him because of that. I said, "Look, isn`t it your job to give him blood test or urine test to know
what`s in his system before you go and prescribe him anything else." And he didn`t have a very good answer for that. Again, you`ll have to watch
Inside Edition tomorrow, because the guy is really unbelievable.
PINKSY: Leo, you know, the bell I`m talking about on "Game of Thrones"?
TERRELL: Yes.
PINKSY: The big - yes. I`m going to - I`m going to get you a shame bell just to (inaudible)
TERRELL: I need it. I need it.
PINKSY: Shame, shame, shame.
GUERERRO: Shame.
TERRELL: Shame, shame.
PINKSY: I want one, too, because one day I want to shame you. I look forward to that day. Someday.
TERRELL: All right. Go for them. Good. Right now, so far, no one`s shamed me. But her, we can shame.
PINSKY: Next stop, hometown memorial service for Prince. We will take you inside, telling you who is there and how they honored him. And still to
come, a popular cosmetic surgery procedure ends in death. We`ll tell you what it is, and if it`s safe, after this.
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[19:36:02] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a different side than what the world sees of him, because they were personal with us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To the world, he was Prince. To fellow members of his church, he was Brother Nelson.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If he meet you, he`s going to talk to you about your holdup. You know, he was shy, but that there what brought him out.
Brother Graham had mentioned they were on tour. And they would just drive around the parking lot, and studying the bible. And you know, sometimes -
he looked at his watch and said, "I think I`m supposed to go on."
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PINSKY: There was another memorial for Prince over the weekend. Actually, it was For Brother Prince Rogers Nelson held at the Jehovah`s Witness
Kingdom Hall in Minnetonka, Minnesota. Back with Lisa, Leo, and CNN`s Sara Sidner still with me.
Now, it`s interesting to note in - on his sister Tyka`s post on Facebook, take a look at this. "We would like everyone to know that contrary to
previous and current reports, there has been no memorial, funeral, or tribute service for Prince that was organized or authorized by the family
or Paisley Park representatives." She said the official memorial will be in August. Sara, tell us more about the memorial. You were actually
there.
SIDNER: Yes, we were there. There were several hundred people who showed up. A lot of people we didn`t recognize. A couple who we did, Larry
Graham, for example, from Sly and Family Stone, he was the bassist. He was the guy who kind of got Prince and ushered Prince into the Jehovah`s
Witness faith as well as Sinbad, the comedian. You`ll remember him. Big guy, very funny, he was there as well.
Those are two people who we recognized going into the church. Also, this bodyguard that we talked to, he was there. That`s how we found out who he
was. He came out and spoke to us for a while. What you heard from people who were willing to speak, most people didn`t, but those who came out to
speak said, "Look, we knew Prince because he was as intense about his music as he was about his faith. He worked just as hard at being faithful and
reading God`s word as he did with his music." And that was one thing that struck us when we listened to what people were talking about who were there
for the prayer service.
And it was a very, very, short, very peaceful as people put it, ceremony. It wasn`t about music, it wasn`t about anything else, it was about
scripture, it was about some of what Prince had brought to the world. And sort of celebrating him, but being very, very careful to keep it low key,
and talk really about some of the scriptures that he liked to read as well. So, that`s what we`re hearing from inside, very peaceful, very quiet, but
there were about two to three hundred people who did show up for it. And those two well-known folks were inside as well.
PINSKY: Leo, what are the - a reminder that this tragedy has put into the public consciousness is wills and making your wishes known. I mean, Prince
was so quietly philanthropic. You would think he would have these profound wishes, and said that something substantial be done with estate, and he has
no opportunity to assert that because there`s no will.
TERRELL: Tragic for anyone at his age or anyone not to have a will. You should always get a will. I don`t care if you`re 20, 40, or 50, but the
point here was Prince didn`t expect to die. And that`s the honest, sad part about it.
PINKSY: Well, no one does.
GUERERRO: Who does?
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PINSKY: No one does. Yes.
TERRELL: No. Prince, when he was found, I guarantee you, he never thought he was going - that was going to be his last day. My point is that that`s
why he took the attitude of not having that will.
PINSKY: Well, Leo, I set up my will up when I was 36, because I didn`t want my - anything to happen to any of us.
TERRELL: I draw a major distinction between Dr. Drew and Prince, period. So, that`s not the issue.
PINSKY: He`s a genius, I`m not. Who`s going to take care of this stuff.
TERRELL: Oh, no. Well, but what I`ve - but what I - but what you see here is when the sister had said, "This is not the official memorial." She`s
already exerting her control to will. That to me, is ugly. That divide between the public and her, she is trying to exert control in over the
entire estate of Prince. That`s why that Facebook post to me I find disturbing.
PINSKY: Now, in the wake of his death, it seems like politicians in Minnesota are getting on the ball a little bit, their fast-tracking measure
to deal with opioid abuse hurts their allowing pharmacist to dispense Narcan, which is the save sharpie. And there are various choices. A nasal
spray you can take and reverses opioids. Why we don`t have this already is bizarre.
[19:40:00] So to me, this is a limited response. They should have had this already. Might have saved his life. Secondly, pharmacies can serve
as collection sites for unwanted medication. So, Lisa, when you go home with your 60 Lortabs after your wisdom teeth, you get to take it back to
the pharmacy and they`ll collect it for you. These are hardly ways of dealing with our - we are five percent of the population on earth. We are
consuming 80% of the opioids. Minnesota, this is enough? Is it going to respond to that?
GUERRERO: Look, too little too late in this case, but isn`t it interesting that it takes a superstar`s death to get these conversations happening and
to get us to talk about them? You know, I talked to.
PINSKY: Lisa, I`m going to say it`s weird that it`s this one death, because there have been many other deaths, you know, starting with Heath
Ledger and moving forward. Every year, every couple months there`s another one, and for some reason Prince broke through a little bit.
GUERRERO: It`s very frustrating to hear these stories, because you know more than anybody -- and there was a story out today that we talked about
earlier where there are over 400 deaths in Orange County, California alone that were overdoses. And you look at the tremendous
issue, and so many people now were looking at the doctors. They`re not blaming the
patients, they`re not blaming, you know, the people.
PINSKY: It is our fault.
GUERRERO: Don`t you think?
PINSKY: Yes.
GUERRERO: Thank you so much for saying that.
PINSKY: Of course. And this is the combination that is so deadly. People have to really be careful with that. Sara, you want to ring in here?
SIDNER: Yes, you know, I wanted to say something about something that was said earlier about the gentleman who talked to us who was the bodyguard for
Prince. Basically, he`s -- we`ve been talking a little bit afterward, and he`s like, "I don`t have an attorney, I have no reason to have an attorney.
I haven`t done anything wrong." So he was very adamant that like, "Look, he didn`t lawyer up. He`s simply saying what he saw as a person who
traveled along with Prince."
PINSKY: Got it.
SIDNER: What happened with Prince? We just don`t know until the toxicology report comes out. Then, Dr. Drew, as you know, we will get some
concrete evidence as to what was in his body.
PINSKY: Yes/ And I will have to interpret all that for you because we still - everyone this is not -- they`re not understanding this. But Sara,
thank you for giving me this opportunity. Leo, shame on you. Shame on you for saying he lawyered-up.
TERRELL: Sara is protecting that guy. I`m going to tell you right now, with all due respect to Sara, that guy is making statement to protect
himself. He was advised how to say those words to Sara. Trust me. I know how a lawyer speaks, and he spoke as a lawyer based on his concern for
incrimination.
PINSKY: Fortunately, Leo, I do trust you, but Sara wants to respond. Go ahead, Sara.
SIDNER: You can`t say that. Do you know this guy? Have you talked to him?
TERRELL: Oh, please.
SIDNER: He went on come camera. He went on camera. He came out on his own. There were no people, like, stopping him or pushing him around. He
came on his own and wants to talk about. Now, maybe what you`re saying is true, but for his sake and to be fair, why don`t we let him tell us? We
haven`t seen an attorney, he has not talked about having an attorney, and he has not said anyone has told - well, let me speak. He has not said
anyone has told him what to say.
And to be fair, it`s been three weeks. He could have talked about this a lot earlier when there`s a lot more media here talking about what`s going
on with Prince and making these accusations. So I think to be fair, he`s come forward, he said his piece, he said what he has seen and he said,
"Look, I don`t have an attorney, this is all I saw." And I think we have to be fair to him to say, "All right, that`s what you saw. If something
happens later on, then we may say something different. But I think we should be fair with someone who`s come in front the cameras and spoken, not
as a source of this unnamed person, but full faced. Showed himself, talked about what he knew, and went on his way.
TERRELL: Twenty seconds of -- 20 seconds rebuttal Dr. Drew. Twenty seconds rebuttal.
PINSKY: Go ahead. Do it. Shame on you.
TERRELL: And basically this. Look, it is impossible for this guy to sit here on National Television doing your interview to say that Prince didn`t
take drugs. Excuse me. He has no personal knowledge to say that.
SIDNER: That`s what he said. It`s not impossible, he said that.
PINSKY: OK. Leave it at that, guys. Thank you, both of you. Thank you, Lisa. A young mother dies after a simple - well, relatively simple
cosmetic surgery. Police say no crime committed. What should you know before going under the knife? Back after this.
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[19:48:27] ANDREA MINNETTE: I`m not having surgery here. Are you kidding me? It`s a chop shop.
REPORTER: Andrea Minnette says, she came all the way from Brooklyn, New York for a Brazilian butt lift procedure at Encore Plastic Surgery.
MINNETTE: They were calling me this morning to come in earlier to have surgery when they knew this happened.
REPORTER: But quickly changed her mind this morning after learning another patient lost her life shortly after undergoing a similar procedure the day
before. The Hialeah Police Department is investigating that patient`s death. Heather Meadows came down from West Virginia for plastic surgery.
Family members say she was happy and healthy, but shortly after the surgery, she was rushed to the hospital and died.
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PINSKY: Heather Meadows, a 29-year-old mother of two, including a newborn child, died from complications of a cosmetic procedure at Encore Plastic
Surgery in Florida. Police say they are currently treating the death as accidental, but the facility you`ve heard about here, has a troubling
history. I`m back with Leo and Lisa. Lisa, help me a little bit in the background with this.
GUERRERO: Wow, there were a lot of red flags in this case, so let me go through the history for you just a little bit, Dr. Drew, because there were
a lot of problems with Encore Plastic Surgery. First of all, they specialize in procedures like tummy tucks, Brazilian butt lifts, and
something called the Mommy Makeover which is billed as a, quote, mixture of plastic surgeries. Now, according to the Miami Herald, a physician linked
to encore accused of severely injuring four patients during liposuction and Brazilian butt lift procedures in May of 2015. Now, the Miami Herald says
that the female victims range in age from 29 to 35. And each was hospitalized anywhere from three days to three months.
[19:50:00] Florida state health officials were so concerned they partially restricted this doctor`s license, but now were learning that he reportedly
botched yet another surgery. A woman is alleging she went to him for a Brazilian butt lift, but, get this, instead he gave her a tummy tuck
instead.
She says her surgery went so horribly wrong that she was in the hospital for 11 days with kidney failure. And the doctor in question has been a
licensed physician in Florida since 2000, but he is not board certified in plastic surgery, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Well, speaking this botch, on the phone I have Terry Dubrow, board certified plastic surgeon. He is featured on E!`S "Botched." He`s the
author of Dr. and Mrs. Guinea Pig Present the Only Guide You`ll Ever Need to The Best Anti-Aging Treatment. Terry, what are we going to do ...
TERRY DUBROW, PLASTIC SURGEON: Hi.
PINSKY: Hey. Well, thanks. Welcome to the program, I really appreciate you being here. A couple things. A, aside from fact that these guys are
outliers, don`t we need to really remind people that plastic surgery is a surgery? There`s anesthesia, there`s risk every
time you go under the knife?
DUBROW: It`s really true Dr. Drew. One of the most common misconceptions about plastic surgery is that it`s like having a nip and tuck. It`s no big
deal having a little work done. In fact, it`s as serious as cardiac surgery or cancer surgery and it has all the same risks and complications
associated with it. PINSKY: i love that you said it that way because I -- in proper hands, you
can anticipate little or no trouble. Much the way you can with other important medical surgical procedures. How does a patient select the right
surgeon?
DUBROW: You know, all of these complications, in a way, can be avoided by having -- by asking the doctor one simple question. And that is, "Doctor,
are you allowed to do this procedure in a hospital? Because if the answer is yes, that means they are board certified in plastic surgery. They have
been vetted by the hospital for any out-practice issues and they`re well trained to do it.
Despite that, as you understand, you can still have complications associated with plastic surgery. But this clinic in particular has
gynecologists, OB-GYNS, They don`t really have any board certified plastic surgeon. Which basically means these doctors took weekend courses in
plastic surgery and the next Monday following that course, called themselves plastic surgeons.
PINSKY: Yes, I don`t think the plastic understands that I could go to a plastic surgery if I was, you know, unscrupulous, but I would never dream
of it. Leo, any problems from a legal standpoint on your front? I mean, obviously , but ...
TERRELLL: Yes. I`m just way (INAUDIBLE) anything about where`s the district attorney? Where`s the criminal -- forget about the civil
lawsuits. Forget about losing their license, why haven`t the board, the medical board worked with the district attorney`s office and bring some of
these bad doctors to justice? Is the board in bed with these doctors?
PINSKY: No, no, no.
TERRELLL: Well then, what`s happening? Where`s the criminal investigation, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: I believe there are at least -- there is a criminal investigation under way, right? But listen, Leo, there`s a gigantic distance between
malpractice and people not keeping standards up to where they should be and actually engage in criminal negligence.
TERRELLL: I can understand criminal negligence, but here is a situation where there`s an absence of government involvement and you`re basically
allowing the board and the medical profession, the police itself, it`s not doing a good job.
GUERRERO: And more importantly, how do the patients know? How are they going to find out this information?
TERRELLL: Yes.
PINSKY: All right. We`re going to talk more about this. Please stay with us.
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[19:57:42] PINSKY: 29-year old Heather Meadows died after certain complications during recent cosmetic surgery .took place at a place called
Encore Plastic Surgery In Florida. The clinic is linked with a physician with a problematic history. I`m back with Lisa, Leo and Dr. Terry Dubrow
from Botched on E!. Dr. Dubrow, referring to what Leo is bringing before the break, why do you think there haven`t been criminal charges made here?
DUBROW: Because it`s legal for any type of doctor to do plastic surgery. So, you know, we have to prove malpractice, for a criminal case. You have
to prove Wanton Disregard for standard practices. Which is a huge leap between medical malpractice, a deviation of what we call the Standard of
Care, as you know, and criminal negligence. It`s almost impossible to do that.
PINSKY: Yes. And Leo, it`s -- really, it`s getting into a nuances about mixing of anesthetics and whether the scalpel was in the -- stuff you can`t
really prove.
TERRELLL: But Dr. Drew ...
PINSKY: You have to also prove sort of extreme negligence and intent.
TERRELLL: But one point, it`s reckless, yes. It`s high degree of negligence. But here`s the point. You know a patient`s at a disadvantage
in challenging a doctor`s integrity. And for the hostest, the guest to say, "Just ask a question". Patients are not -- are intimidated by
doctors (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: But Leo, he`s trying to make a point. I`m going t have Terry make it again. Which is, we need as patients to be educated about -- when I had
my plastic surgery, I asked the surgeon one question. I said -- I was referred by somebody good. I said "What`s your complication rate?" He
said, "Zero." I said "Do your job."
TERRELLL: I don`t compare you -- I don`t compare you -- I don`t compare you -- you`re not an ordinary patient.
PINSKY: I understand that. But we need to help people become and participate on their health care. And Terry? Do you agree with me?
DUBROW: I actually agree with you. I mean, you need to do a very simple series of questions. You can bet out who`s the real plastic surgeon, who`s
not. You can look them up on websites like the American Board of Plastic surgery. You can ask the market, they could then just do it in a hospital?
Are they allowed to -- do they have admitting privileges in the hospital? There are enormous regulatory agencies that vet doctors that will only
allow them to do surgical procedures that they are credentialed and educated to do.
So, ask a couple simple questions like board certification and privileges at a local hospital to do that exact procedure. If they say yes, they`re
trained.
PINSKY: There you go. Terry, I got to interrupt. We`re running out of time. Terry, congratulations on your book. It really is excellent. Good
job on that. Thank you for joining us.
Lisa, Leo, thank you for being part of the panel today. Watch us here, DVR us. We`ll see you next time.
Nancy Grace, up next.
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