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Prince`s Siblings Getting Greedy?; Ocean Mom Wants to See Kids; Ocean Mom Embraced Mental Illness; Sex Assault Convict`s Sentence Cut; Teen Who Attacked Classmate To be Freed; Prep School Sex Assault Scandal. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- liar and I don`t like it. But it seems fair draw.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Siblings of the prince met (INAUDIBLE) meeting ended in a shouting match.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s only going to get worse. Right now, it`s, like,
Tyka versus everybody else. She probably won the (INAUDIBLE). She feels some sort of -- some sense of entitlement over how these things should go.
This type of state is worth at least 300 million bucks. There are six siblings, there`s plenty of dough to go around. Why do you have to be ugly
about it?
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: And it is getting uglier tonight. There had been reports that the siblings are feuding over how to get their hands on
Prince`s money. The proposed plan is that they are putting together a television special with famous artist apparently performing prince songs.
The problem, full sister, Tyka, and another sibling do not want to be a part of this.
Joining us. Anneelise Goetz, Atty. Sara Azari. Attorney? And on the phone, Keltie Knight, music correspondent for the Insider. tell me about
the family feud.
KELTIE KNIGHT, MUSIC INSIDER: OK. So, basically, what`s happening is that there are two parties involved. Sister Tyka has gotten together with
Sheila E. and a bunch of artists from Minnesota. They`re trying to do their own tributes. Then on the other side, there`s Ken, Early,
(INAUDIBLE) and Bruiser who produces the Grammy Awards and the AEG Live CEO, Randy Phillips, who of course are famous for creating Michael
Jackson`s videos hit. And making somewhere in amounts of $250 million off it. They are trying to do their own star-studded major, huge event that`s
allegedly going to take place in August for two hours.
I spoke with Neil Port, who`s the head of the academy, the Grammy Academy today and he said, listen, it`s premature to make comments on what`s really
going on. Neil had spoken at the memorial last week. He said he was personally very honored to do that. And so, basically, no one is saying
exactly what`s happening, but the day that Prince died, I talked to a source inside his family who, you know, had been working with prince for
decades and said, here`s what`s going to happen Keltie, "I saw the sister once in all the decades I worked with Prince. And this family is going to
start coming out of the woodwork looking to make money. He`s, like, Prince is not close with his family at all, and so this really is a money grab.
Because you have to remember, that the Prince -- the heirs to the Prince`s fortune is 300 million dollars. It`s going to take years because there was
allegedly no will. And so, it`s going to take years before any of the family members see any of this money. So, this is a cash grab. This is
"We can make money this summer, and get some millions of bucks in our pockets. And it`s been wildly reported that they -- family has already had
financial problems. George Lopez told "ET" Nichelle Turner that, you know, he had lent -- given some financial, you know, health to the family.
And so, it`s just -- this is a money grab. Because here`s the thing, and you know this, this is Hollywood. They have done their private memorial.
This is not about, "Oh, we need to, you know, Prince`s legacy, the fans around the world have celebrate Prince in the last few weeks. There
doesn`t need to be a giant TV moment for Prince." We get it. Prince. This is about making money.
PINSKY: Thank you, Keltie. Yes. It`s sad. It`s sad. It`s another reminder, that you would be -- having a will is not something you do
selfishly. It`s something you do on behalf of your family. So, they don`t go through this. Now, Sara, in spite of this thing being a money grab, you
still think, Tyka is more entitled than the others, why is that?
KNIGHT: Yes. I mean, I don`t have this inside information. So, this was new -- this was news to me. But when you`re looking at it objectively and
you`re looking at who Tyka has been to Prince, first of all, she is the only full-bloodied sister. Secondly, she is the second talent. No, she`s
not Prince number two or Princes but she`s the second talent in this family, she`s got six albums, she plays four instruments. And at some
point when she battled addiction and prostituted herself to support her kids, Prince stepped in and got her into rehab and got her treatment.
So, there is some indication that there is some relationship there has been between Prince and this particular sister that simply doesn`t exist. This
would be the other siblings who are all half-siblings. So, you know, from a musical perspective, from a family relationship perspective, I see her as
completely in a different position than these other siblings who also want to jump in and co-produce this "tribute". Which I agree, is a cash grab.
PINSKY: Joining by phone, Andrew Stoltman, he`s attorney for possible heirs. The singer`s niece and grand niece. First Andrew, what is your
take on whether someone amongst this family group is more entitled than the others?
ANDREW STOLTMAN, ATTORNEY: Well, that`s just not true. I mean, look, under the Minnesota probate law, as they matter alike, each of either the
true sisters or brothers, and there`s really only one true pure sister, as well the half-brothers, all stand in the same, exact position. There is
absolutely, possibly no difference between any of those heirs, as a matter of law. And to say that some of these people don`t have as much of a
relationship with Prince, as Tyka did, I think that`s just inaccurate.
I`m representing the daughter of Dwayne Nelson. Dwayne Nelson was the head of Prince`s security at Paisley Park Mansion for many, many years. They
were very, very close for a big big chunk of their lives. So, simply as a matter of law, all of these heirs stand in the same, exact position. There
isn`t a first among equals.
PINSKY: And Andrew, I understand you represent the other, sort of, lottery winners, big ticket winners that all of a sudden come upon a sum of money
and the family in fighting. And then to the tragic fates we hear about once money is distributed. Do you fear the same outcome here?
STOLTMAN: You know, I do and we call them the lottery losers. And lot of these people that have won, 300, 400, 500 million dollars lottery fortunes
have ended up the rope in large park because they get a massive sum of money and they simply don`t have that infrastructure in place to allow them
to manage it. They don`t have the accountants, the CPAS, all of the people that are needed to manage such a big fortune. Is that a possibility in
this case? Absolutely. Certainly to the extent we can recover for our heirs. We`ll be counseling them and trying to get them with the right
bankers, the right lawyers and the right CPAs at that group. That`s a very big fear.
PINSKY: Thank you Andrew. Anneelise, I haven`t heard from you yet. How well do you think this is going to get? I mean, They were hearing that
Tyka may have some claims to being special in her relationship with prince. But the Minnesota law says everyone`s the same.
ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: It`s nice if they -- if she was closer to her brother than the others, but it really doesn`t have an impact (CROSSTALK)
PINKSY: He should have put something in the will. He should have put something in the will then. Right?
GOETZ: And that`s -- it goes back to that. And Dr. Drew, you and I talked about this in the past. What makes me insane about this is how charitable
he was and if he was -- if he were actually doing his will, then it probably wouldn`t be going, at least not in these large sums to his
siblings, it`d be going to organizations that he cared about. And just, you know, I looked at -- I`ve had a lot of cases with families at large
probate estates. And very close tight-knit families are ripped apart. And this isn`t even a close tight knit group. So, to say that it`s going
to get nasty is a huge understatement.
PINSKY: Now, next up. I`ve got a woman who drove her children into the ocean. She wants to see them for the first time in two years. Our
question is, should she be allowed to? And still to come, a prep school student convicted of sexual assault is getting out of jail. Did he merely
get a slap on the wrist? Back after this.
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[19:11:50] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In March, Wilkerson, who was pregnant at the time, was accused of trying to kill her three children by driving her
minivan into the rough surf in Daytona Beach. Since then, Wilkerson`s been banned from seeing her kids. She claims that she suffered a psychotic
episode during the incident.
WILKERSON: When I`m on medication, I feel better.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve been saying this from the very beginning that she was not guilty by reason of insanity.
WILKERSON: When you feel good, you want to be able to stay feeling good and I want to be able to stay feeling good and be able to be who I am.
Myself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody seems to agree that she has accomplished and achieved all that was expected from her.
WILKERSON: I love my kids and I`m doing all that I can for my family, myself and I`ve been in this and not giving up.
PINSKY: Should the mother who drove her children into the ocean get her kids back? Should she see them ever? After almost two years of treatment
from mental illness, the judge says, Ebony Wilkerson, still not ready, get this, for supervised visits. Back with Anneelise, Sara, and joining us,
Spirit, Psychotherapist. Ebony has not seen her kids since the day she allegedly tried to kill them in the water off Daytona Beach. Sara? Should
she see the kids? And this is supervised too.
AZARI: Absolutely. This was the most outrageous ruling to me. I mean, when somebody pleads not guilty by reason of insanity, and they`re sent to
an institution or in her case, the treatment center, it`s so that they could be rehabilitated and reunite with their family and the community.
Her kids being at the forefront of that world.
And, you know, the plan, the judge says "Go back and," you know, "Go back and come back with a plan in place." So, she had a plan in place. The
plan was for a social worker and who`s better than a social worker to supervise these visits? So, I`m absolutely perplexed as to why this judge
turned down the idea of supervised visits.
It appears to me that she`s done very well in the treatment center, that she`s progressed in her rehabilitation and recovery from the psychotic
breakdown. So, I really -- I don`t understand what more the judge wants here in terms of allowing her to reunite with these kids, who also want to
be with their mother.
PINSKY: let`s go back to the very day Ebony drove her children into the ocean. Her sister had alerted authorities to her mental state.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My sister was getting abused by her husband. I tried to take her to the hospital yesterday and she signed herself out today.
He`s getting a little bit but her -- she`s still not all here. So, she`s trying to drive and I`m trying to stop her. She`s, like, having psychosis
or something. Or a postpartum.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s talking about Jesus and that there`s demons in my house and -- that I`m trying to control her but I`m trying to keep them
safe. She`s leaving and I don`t want to chase after the car.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does she have the kids with her?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And she got the kids in the car with her.
PINSKY: And apparently, officers pulled her over but they described her as "lucid", not homicidal, not suicidal. How about not psychotic, which is
what she was. Not long after she was let go, she drives into the ocean. She had altered sensorium. Spirit, help me here. She was totally
psychotic. Who knows what she was doing when she drove into the ocean. She was completely disorganized. It`s not like she`s some sort of
psychopath who wants to kill her kids.
SPIRIT: No. She thought that she was saving them Dr. Drew. I mean, if you remember the story, she told them that she was taking them to heaven.
They were going to see God. And that cop that let her go, well, it`s poor training Dr. Drew because unfortunately, our law enforcement are not mental
health clinicians. This is why we have to continue to drive home the emphasis of mental wellness in this country and what it looks like. And
her sister did everything right here. And unfortunately, the judge is not doing the right thing in this situation, Dr. Drew.
GOETZ: You know, I disagree. I disagree.
PINSKY: I know Anneelise is -- I know Anneelise is. Yes. I`m going to give you a chance Anneelise.
GOETZ: You know --
PINSKY: I know you`re lined up or we`re lined up against here but go ahead.
GOETZ: No, I disagree. We`re talking about, it`s been two years. And you know what that judge`s job is to do? To protect those kids. And the judge
is reading the recommendations of the therapist. And the judge is saying "We don`t have a safe environment for those children. Those children were
almost killed by their mother."
SPIRIT: I`m sorry. There`s --
GOETZ: And at the point in time, at the point in time, at the point in time that the judge feels --
PINSKY: Wait.
GOETZ: -- that they can actually be in a safe environment to reunite. the judge says, "We will put a plan together." We will put a plan together.
SPIRIT: Can I respond to that?
PINSKY: Hold on. Everybody quiet.
SPIRIT: Can I --
PINSKY: No, no. You can`t. Anneelise, Anneelise. This is supervised visitation at this point. This is not giving over custody to the mob. I
understand she`s been in a hospital for two years, been in psychiatrist. It looks pretty good in those tapes. I`ve seen a lot worse get kids.
That`s for sure. What is this -- what are we missing that these judges see?
SPIRIT: The judge wants to see a licensed professional be involved in the visitation. That`s what the judges want to see
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PINSKY: OK Well, the social worker -- the social worker said, the social worker who would, I assume at least one of her peers or his peers will be
one of the people supervising or says "Ebony is caught embrace her mentalness and what are we missing Spirit and the judges looking to punish
her. Maybe they`re s got punish her or something.
SPIRIT: No, I think that she is frightened because again, she does not understand mental illness. And you talk about that there`s not a safe
place for her to visit with these children? Anneelise, how about right there in the courthouse. You`re talking supervised You`re talking
supervised visitation. There are plenty of places and spaces that this woman could see her healing.
And it`s also a key component her children having the ability to be able to interact with their mother is a key component to their well-being as well.
This is about healing a family. Not about continuing to separate and making them and think momma`s done something wrong. Illness is not the
same as motor. It`s not the same as putting children in a way that you`re thinking about it. You have to do this differently.
GOETZ: I`m not saying - I`m not saying that this was murder. That I dint say this in the first -- when the case first came out, I`m not saying that
now. I am agreeing with the judge that when they have that reunion, it needs to be in a safe place. And Spirit, yes. I think it`d be great if
they did it ...
SPIRIT: Agree. Agree.
GOETZ: If they had it in the court house. What the judge is saying is we need to have a plan put in order. We have licensed professionals there.
And I don`t see how you guys can dispute that.
AZARI: But there was a licensed professional that was proposed to the court. It was a social worker. It was a licensed professional.
PINSKY: Sara? Sara? Do you think we`re missing something? Both the social worker and the judge on the record has said that the children should
have face to face contact with their mother. The children want it, the mom wants it. The mom seems to be doing well and yet this judge has
consistently denied supervised visitation. We just must be missing something, right? Is there some paperwork that isn`t getting done? It
doesn`t make sense, right?
AZARI: I think so. I mean, I -- I think there`s something in her progress notes or the letter --
PINSKY: Some -- administrative something?
AZARI: Something that the judge is not happy about.
PINSKY: The husband -- the husband says, "She needed help and
we all failed her at one point." This guy`s got it right.
AZARI: Right.
PINSKY: We realized it, it was too late. Thank you for saying that. Because I blame everybody, including the police. At least the sister tried
to do something about it. The husband by the way was charged with domestic battery in 2005, that case dropped. Ebony claims domestic violence led to
the incident in the ocean. You know, I`m sure (INAUDIBLE)
AZARI: More to it than that.
PINSKY: Right. Spirit, help me with this. It`s, yes. More to it than that. The question that remains, Spirit, should the couple be reunited?
That`s a whole separate matter.
SPIRIT: That`s -- yes. I mean, I wouldn`t even put all those pieces together all at one time. Baby steps here is the key.
PINSKY: Yes.
SPIRIT: But, absolutely. Those supervised visitations have to happen. And we`re sending the wrong message to all of American about what mental
illness looks like. Can you imagine the number of women now, Dr. Drew who need help, who would be afraid to go and get help because they`ll be afraid
to be separated permanently from their children?
PINSKY: Yes. Yes, ma`am.
SPIRIT: This is dangerous.
PINSKY: It`s dangerous. And again, from what we can see here, she looks like a responder. She looks like somebody who`s been involved in her
treatment, responded to her treatment --
SPIRIT: Totally a different person.
PINSKY: Totally different person. She probably had what? Schizophrenia or something in that spectrum, right? Would you agree spirit?
SPIRIT: Likely so. Likely so.
PINSKY: Or maybe -- by -- the fact, I -- when we originally saw this case, we think it`d either be bipolar psychosis or Schizophrenia type of
psychosis, that kind of thing. But the year and a half of treatment suggest that it`s something more chronic like Schizophrenia. And yes, you
want to be sure people are taking their medicine, you want to be sure they have cognitive behavioral therapist, I assume that`s ...
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[19:20:00]PINSKY: -- when we originally saw this case, we think it`d either be bipolar psychosis or Schizophrenia type of psychosis, that kind
of thing. But the year and a half of treatment suggest that it`s something more chronic like Schizophrenia. And yes, you want to be sure people are
taking their medicine, you want to be sure they have cognitive behavioral therapist, I assume that`s all getting looked after. Ocean mom was treated
so is she still a danger to anyone? Her attorney is here. He`s going to let us know. He also has a controversial theory to propose.
And still to come, an update on a young mother who died while having cosmetic
surgery. We now know for sure what the causes were. We`re back after this.
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[19:24:47] PINSKY: Janine, should she get her children back?
JANINE: not right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman did have a psychotic break, but I don`t think she should get her children back. I mean, she could have killed
them.
PINSKY: Should she get her kids back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She absolutely should not get her kids back. But I think over time that this woman definitely, absolutely, should gradually,
get her children back. And I say it because so often on here, we push the fact that mental illness is real. And it`s -- or your brain is an organ
just like your heart. And so if she was driving around and had a heart attack and drove that car into the ocean, you wouldn`t take her kids away.
PINSKY: So, I would not take the kids away because cardiac disease has a treatment just the way brain disease has treatment. This is a similar
organ -- not a similar organ, but it`s an organ that has treatment just like the heart does. We`re looking at whether or not a mother who nearly
killed her children by having driven them right into the ocean, should be reunited with her kids. Back with Anneelise, Sara and Spirit. Joining by
is Ebony Wilkerson`s attorney, Jim Purdy. Now, Jim, you have a theory about what was going on when she drove into the water?
JIM PURDY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I have been working with this case since the day of her arrest. I was the first attorney to actually
interview her. I`ve spent four hours with her. I`ve spent four hours with her the afternoon after first appearances when she was taken to the jail.
And I`ve been working on it with my attorney`s in my office ever since. One thing that we found out, and first of all, let me just back up and
point out that Florida where we are Daytona Beach, we have driving on the beach in Florida in the Daytona Beach area.
And she was driving down the beach with other cars. There were other cars on the beach and there are surveillance cameras from the beach rangers`
station there showing that she was driving down the beach, in -- doing the right speed and basically faded into the water. It`s not like there was a
left-hand turn, and she drove straight into the surf. That`s not what happened here. When she came out of the water, the two -- first two
firefighters at
the scene took her, put her -- she was put in to the backseat of a patrol car and the first firefighter-paramedic that saw her, described her as
having the lights on, but nobody home. He went and got his lieutenant. His lieutenant came and did a blood test on her and she had a 44 blood
sugar. And was given a shot of Glucagon to raise her blood sugar level because they couldn`t find the vein to give her an IV before taking her to
the hospital.
So, this was the lady that had been -- had driven down from South Carolina, had been awake for probably 24 --
PINSKY: I don`t -- respectfully, I`m going to interrupt you, well, if she was saying she does not have psychiatric pathology, then you better the
license revoked of the facility that holds her for 18 months, for psychiatric treatment.
PURDY: No, no. But she hasn`t been in psychiatric for 18 months. She was in psychiatric for about six months.
PINSKY: Well then six months. I don`t care if it`s three days or five days, that facility should be decertified. Because if you -- you cannot
admit somebody to a psychiatric hospital for hypoglycemia. I spent 20 years working in a psychiatric hospital. Listen. She has a psychiatric
problem, Jim. That`s why -- right.
PURDY: (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: She has psychiatric disorder. And why minimize that? I mean, she has real serious psychiatric illness.
PURDY: I`m not trying to minimize it but I`m just pointing out that there was more to it than just that.
PINSKY: Why do you need more? She had a psychotic break. Why do you need more than that? This woman need, deserves treatment. Her treatment should
be effective and she should get her kids back. Period. And by the way, if you have Hypoglycemia, you better come up with a reason for that. And that
better be treated before she`s ever with her kids again. Because next time, she could drop unconscious when her kids are running around.
PURDY: That`s right.
PINSKY: That`s more serious than a psychiatric stuff. Let her psychiatric disorder be treated, get her kids back.
PURDY: And that`s exactly what we`re working toward. I was (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: Spirit?
SPIRIT: I have a question for Jim --
PURDY: -- all the things that were going around at the time, this is one of the factors that was included. That she had not had sleep, then she had
been taken to the hospital the night before by her sister, because she was worried about her. She was seeing demons. And then she take the kids out
of the house. It was -- it shocked her sister enough that her sister called the police to do a welfare-check on her.
And the police actually stopped the car. But found that she was not a threat to herself or to others in their opinion and they let her go. She
drove down to the beach, went on to the beach, was driving down the beach and ended up in the surf but not in a way that was a direct turn into the
water and (CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: And then we -- we`re on your -- respectfully, again, we`re on your side with this one.
PURDY: I know. I know. But (CROSSTALK) all aspect, so.
PINSKY: And we don`t understand -- we don`t understand why the -- what is the judge seeing or what is -- why is the judge not letting at least
supervised visitation? We cannot make - Anneelise is no, but with the rest of us can`t understand what the judge is thinking.
PURDY: Yes. I understand. Judge is being just, wanting to make sure that all steps are taken care of. She was -- before becoming a criminal judge,
she was a dependency judge. So, she has a great deal of experience dealing with the penalty issues with children.
PINSKY: Anneelise, what ---
ANNEELISE: I love it. Thank you for saying that, Jim because that`s what I have been going towards. What I`m focused on here is the kids welfare,
the kids well being. And I have believe --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)
SPIRIT: And I had to believe that the judge is looking out or the I have to believe of the children, And if the judge is saying, "The plan that you
proposed is not going to safeguard the children, Provide ne another that she is not doing that to be malicious or vindictive. She`s doing it to
help the children.
PINSKY: I understand -- I gut the spirit of what she`s doing. But the ...
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Spirit: -- is not going to faceguard the children, Provide ne another that she is not doing that to be malicious or vindictive. She`s doing it
to help the children.
PINSKY: I understand --I get the spirit of what she`s doing but the actuality of what she`s doing.
SPIRIT: Projection?
PINSKY: Yes. It makes those (INAUDIBLE) mental health kind of, want -- and Jim, my concerns is that other women who have psychiatric issues will
be afraid to come forward because they`ll get their kids taken away for two years, which is -- which is --
PURDY: I agree with you.
PINSKY: Yes.
PURDY: I agree with that.
GOETZ: : But she didn`t get her (INAUDIBLE) because she drove into the water.
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PINSKY: You heard she had medical problem.
GOETZ: And they took the kids away (INAUDIBLE) throw her hand in the air and said "I have a mental issue and then you`re going to take my kids away,
that`s not what happened."
AZARI: But you`re putting her in the same place as somebody who intentionally drives her kids into the water.
GOETZ: No, I`m not. I`m not.
AZARI: OK she -- yes, you are. You`re -- because you`re completely dismissing the fact that but for her mental illness, she would not have
been in that water with her kids. Period. And so, the issue here is, and I have a question for Jim, what was the plan that you proposed that this
judge didn`t feel as good enough? Because my understanding is there was a social worker that was going to supervise these visits. So, what`s better
than a social worker?
PURDY: Yes. The judge wants -- the judge wants a psychiatric professional. And so we are working n a plan, we`re going to jump through
every hoop the judge wants us to jump through. Our goal is to get reunification with the family, and with the children. She`s got three
kids. One of which of course, she was pregnant at the time that this occurred. And so one of her children, the third one was born while the
case was pending and was taken away from her at birth. (CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: Let me just say, a licensed clinical social worker is more than equipped to handle this, Jim. God bless you for hanging in for these kids.
And what these children need is attachment to their mom, more than anything else. Especially that youngest one. I mean, this -- you want to talk
about harming kids, they are getting between a child and a mom in a way that could be harmful. That`s harmful, too. She got to weigh that out.
Thank you, everybody. Next up. Why is a prep school teen who is convicted of sexual assault being let out of jail? Still to come. We know tonight
why a young mother, undergoing cosmetic surgery died. The medical examiner has answers for me. We`re back after this.
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PINSKY: Owen Labrie, the New Hampshire prep school student.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Labrie was convicted last year of sexually assaulting an underage classmate.
VICTIM: He has denied all responsibility, and has shown no remorse or understanding of what he did to me.
PINKSY: Known as the senior salute, a competition described as male seniors trying to rack up sexual encounters.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A superior court judge had revoked his bail in mid- March after he admitted to violating his curfew on multiple occasions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Labrie violated that curfew at least eight times.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 20-year old has been in jail for two months.
DEFENSE: For somebody who`s never been incarcerated for one hour, two months is -- can be a very long time.
PROSECUTOR: The only thing that changed is the defendant doesn`t like it in jail.
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PINSKY: Owen Labrie convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old freshman. He failed to comply with his curfew. He was sentenced to a year
in jail. The judges now granted him bail after he had served just two months. Back with AnneElise, Sara, and Spirit. So, my question, I`ll go
to AnneElise first. Did he get off easy? Is there some reason we`re going easy on this one?
GOETZ: Yeah, he got off easy. He`s supposed to be in there for 12 months, he got to leave after two, he was - he is a convicted felon. He sexually
assaulted a 15-year-old freshman high schooler. And he was able to avoid any jail time, whatsoever for that. How does he repay that? He then
breaks his curfew at least eight times, gets - actually, placed back - placed into jail. And what the prosecutor said is right, he didn`t like
it. Shocker. He didn`t like it. And so, as a result, he`s getting out now.
PINSKY: Sara?
AZARI: Time out, AnneElise. I think you`ve got it completely wrong as has the media. The jail sentence that he got for two months that he just was
recently released from jail for has nothing to do with the one-year jail sentence that he got for his conviction on the three misdemeanor charges,
and the one felony charge from last year. The reason he did just two months in jail is because he violated a term and condition of his bond,
because he was out on bond pending the appeal of his conviction. So, if he loses the appeal, and he actually has to do that one-year jail sentence,
he`ll get the two months of credit towards the one year, but he still has to go do the rest of the eight months. This has nothing to do with the
sentence that he got in the case. And secondly, although, I would think twice as a defense attorney telling a court that my client is
bored in jail. I mean, it`s like duh.
PINSKY: Yeah. Well - But --
AZARI: It`s not a country club.
PINSKY: But, Sara, to be fair, he spent most of his time in solitary confinement -
AZARI: Yeah.
PINSKY: -- apparently for his own safety.
AZARI: Right.
PINSKY: He, I guess, is a sex offender and therefore he`s in real serious trouble in the general population.
AZARI: Absolutely.
PINSKY: You want to - you want to make some - a comment about that? Finish.
AZARI: Me?
PINSKY: Yeah.
AZARI: Oh, no, I was just going to say that this has - this is a separate jail sentence that he`s going to have to do the balance if he has to if he
- if he loses the appeal. And lastly, you know, this was - this was - this is a guy for anybody to go away for two months on a - on a pretty minor
violation of his terms and conditions. We`re talking about breaking a curfew. We`re not talking about absconding. We`re not talking about -
PINSKY: I mean, Sara -
AZARI: -- bailing to appear in court.
PINSKY: Sara, in California, he wouldn`t have gone in one door and out the other, right? Is that what would happen here?
AZARI: He would have - he would have checked in and been booked, and he would have been out that night.
PINSKY: Right. Now, let me show you what his lawyer said about he handled his solitary confinement. It said - she said, "He`s gone through a wave of
emotion, from being sad about his situation, being scared, being nervous, being bored at times." Shocking.
So, AnneElise, you say we still - even though he`s in solitary confinement, we should not feel sorry
PINSKY: What you said about this young man.
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FEMALE: This had a big impact on him. And being in jail really taught him some lessons, some hard life lessons, but also encouraged him that he has a
lot to look forward to.
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PINKSY: And Spirit, I know where you`re going. I`m sympathetic to what you`re Saying the possibility here is because you and I -
SPIRIT: Sympathetic.
(LAUGHTER)
PINKSY: No, no, but listen. Listen to what I`m saying because you and I deal with this all stuff all of the time. And so, we - our immediate
(INAUDIBLE)
SPIRIT: That`s right.
PINKSY: Oh, God, I know what this is. But Sara`s job is to make sure people like you and I don`t jump to any conclusions, you know what I mean?
That he -
SPIRIT: Well, you know what?
PINKSY: Go ahead.
SPIRIT: Dr. Drew, though, on the other side of this, though, when I look at his attorney, it makes me think to myself, "I wish that more people
would jump to conclusions. I wish that more people would have an understanding," because it makes me sick to my stomach to watch her say,
"Oh, hey, you know, two months and he`s bored in jail. And, you know, he really understands it." No, he doesn`t. He doesn`t get it, and the reason
why he doesn`t get it is because he`s being coddled by his attorney, he`s being coddled by this judge, he`s been coddled by everybody who wants to
understand his perspective in this.
PINSKY: OK. All right. Hold on.
SPIRIT: But the only perspective that should matter is the victim here.
PINSKY: All right. I know how Spirit feels, I know how Sara feels. Anneelise Goetz, straighten me out here, help me. I just - be my voice of
reason.
GOETZ: I mean, my position on this is that we are ignoring, we`re only looking right now at Sara pointed out the fact that he jumped bond. OK?
But I don`t really care that much about that piece of it. I care about the case, and I care about the fact that I am not jumping to a conclusion. He
was convicted of those things. He was charged with felon - with felony, sexual assault. He was convicted of misdemeanor. He was convicted of
another felony. So, I`m not jumping to conclusions. There is a victim here, and there is an offender, and it`s him. And the fact that he is in
jail, good, good!
PINSKY: Sara, last response. I`ve got about 20 seconds. Please make it short.
AZARI: But you know - but you know what, it`s not appeal, the case is not appeal.
PINSKY: No, no, but he won on appeal because he was convicted, right?
AZARI: Yeah, exactly. And so -
PINSKY: Well, OK.
AZARI: -- until that appeal is final, we don`t know if he`s going to serve the rest of these 12 months. And two months is a long time for somebody to
learn a lesson for missing a curfew.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.
PINSKY: OK. There is a preponderance of evidence that something really bad happened. And Spirit, I think you`re right. We`ll be talking about
this in six months. Next up, I`ve got an update on a story from last night. We know what caused this young mother`s death during cosmetic
surgery, back after this.
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ANDRENETTE: I`m not having surgery here. Are you kidding me? It`s a chop shop.
FEMALE: Andrenette says she came all the way from Brooklyn, New York, for a Brazilian butt lift procedure at Encore Plastic Surgery.
ANDRENETTE: They was calling me this morning to come in early to have surgery when they knew this happened.
FEMALE: But quickly changed her mind this morning after learning another patient lost her life shortly after undergoing a similar procedure the day
before. The Hialeah Police Department is investigating that patient`s death. Heather Meadows came down from West Virginia for plastic surgery.
Family members say she was happy and healthy, but shortly after the surgery, she was rushed to the hospital and died.
PINKSY: Now, we`ve got an update from this story from last night. First, I want to reemphasize what Dr. Dubrow said last night, which he said, "If
you are about to have a plastic procedure and it`s not in a hospital setting, ask that surgeon if he or she is certified to do this in a
hospital, because hospitals have a certain standard that have to be met. If he or she meets those standards, you`re in better shape." Now, this
woman, Heather Meadows died from a fat embolism during cosmetic surgery for a Brazilian butt lift. Fat embolism literally is fat getting into your
bloodstream as they`re doing the liposuction, gets in the bloodstream, breaks those - clogs your lungs, typically. Unless - if you guys would let
me show the picture of the heart here, guys. Give me the camera. Unless there is a hole called a (INAUDIBLE) it`s opened here in the upper chambers
of the heart in which case the fat embolism can cross and go to the brain. And that can be devastating. And frankly, I have not seen fat embolism
syndrome from liposuctions since the very early days of liposuction. So, something was wrong with what they were doing with this procedure. There
was a secondary cause of death listed as complication from lipid transfer, which is again the fat issue. Also, had a heart defect, according to them.
They also said they saw fat in the coronary arteries, which makes no sense. The only way it can get there again is if it crosses over, as I said. So,
what`s being reported is a mess except to say that it is a fat embolism syndrome, which is something that is rare. We used to see it, but it`s
certainly rare these days. Anneelise, do you have a question?
GOETZ: So, when you`re looking at this fact scenario, are you thinking maybe a malpractice situation here?
PINSKY: Well, a malpractice for sure, but the question is - they`re wondering if there`s some sort of criminal negligence going on. You know,
that`s the -
GOETZ: Right. Oh, I can - I can tell you that. I guess, I just attended a conference with the Los Angeles City Attorney`s Office prosecuting these
cases, and in Los Angeles, as in many other jurisdictions, they seemed to be nurse practitioners in other countries who come here, they don`t have a
medical license, and they`re doing it in their apartments, in a bedroom. It`s insane.
PINKSY: Crazy. CNN Miami affiliate WTVJ has confirmed the death was the third in three years at this Encore Plastic Surgery center as well as its
sister clinic, Vanity Cosmetic Surgery in Miami. The Meadows family, of course, has hired an attorney. But again, you want somebody to be board
certified in plastic reconstructive surgeries, you want somebody be able to perform that same procedure they`re doing on you in a hospital setting,
check on the complication rates of your surgeon. That`s what I do. I had to say, well, get a referral, see what their complications are, and then
have them do their job. DVR us, and you can watch the show any time. I appreciate the panel`s input. You guys were feisty tonight. We thank you
for that. That you guys are. Listen, we thank you all for watching. We`ll see you next time. And Nancy Grace follows us. She is coming right
up.
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