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Bill Cosby Ordered To Stand Trial For The Alleged Sexual Assault; The First Of More Than 50 Accusers Of Bill Cosby Will Have Her Day In Criminal Court; A 13-Year-Old Girl Escaped From A House Of Horrors; A Teenager Commits Suicide After Allegedly Being Tormented By Classmates. Aired 7-8p ET

Aired May 24, 2016 - 19:00   ET

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The headline is huge.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): Actor and comedian Bill Cosby will stand trial for sexual assault against former Temple University basketball coach

Andrea Constand. Constand was the first woman to publicly accuse Cosby of assault.

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CASAREZ: In the closing argument, the defense actually started screaming at the top of their lungs in the courtroom. And, I have a quote here, they

said "No one should be brought to an American courtroom to undergo this." Screaming at the judge.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: The fact that he is going to stand trial for Andrea and that case, it does not mean we are not going to hear about all

the others as well.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW" SHOW: 78-year-old Bill Cosby ordered to stand trial in a criminal courtroom for the alleged sexual

assault. Andrea, an employee at Cosby is alma mater, Temple University, was the first of more than 50 women who have come forward with similar

accusations.

Joining me Mark Eiglarsh, Criminal Defense Attorney at SpeakToMark.com; Sara Azari, Criminal Defense Attorney; Jon Lieberman, Investigative

Correspondent and CNN Correspondent Jean Casarez, who was in the courtroom for today is preliminary hearing. Jean, I understand Andrea Constand was

not present, but what specifically does she accuse Cosby of having done?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it involves one night, and it is January or February, 2004. Cosby was her mentor. She was torn because she

was going to change careers. He said come on over to the house. So, she went over to his home. She walked inside. He had told her to wear very

comfortable clothes.

She got there. She told him that she could not sleep, that this all was weighing on her mind. He said, "Look, I can help." He went upstairs,

according to her statement. He came back down with blue pills. He told her to take them. It would make her relax, get the edge off. She said,

"What are they?" He said, "They are herbal." And, he also had poured some wine.

So, according to her statement, she took the pills. She drank some wine. About 20 minutes later, everything changed. Sher became wobbly, blurred

vision, could not stand-up, slurred speech. He helped her to the sofa and then she remembers him coming behind her, beginning to undress her. And,

she says he then sexually assaulted her.

PINSKY: Jean, what about this defense attorney screaming that you reported on in our opening piece. What was that all about? That sounds bizarre.

CASAREZ: It was amazing, absolutely amazing. He not only said what you already said about someone should not be in an American courtroom for this.

But at the end, in his closing arguments, he was looking straight at the judge.

He said, "You cannot check your common sense at the door. Stop this, stop this, stop this now." I mean, it was loud. It was booming. And, one

could say possibly very intimidating.

PINSKY: And, there were inconsistencies allegedly according to the defense. What are these inconsistencies they are talking about?

CASAREZ: The defense brought out a lot of things about Andrea Constand. Because remember, this is the first time that we have seen her statement.

We heard Bill Cosby is statement now that was given in 2005.

In her original statement, she had crossed out many things. Let me give you an example. She had gone to Foxwoods Casino because Bill Cosby was

performing there. And, after the concert, he invited her to his room where he was packing. She went to his room.

She originally wrote, "We both laid down on the bed and our legs were touching. She crossed that out and then put, we were close. And, so,

there were things like that she crossed out. She originally said she drank COGNAC that night and crossed that out, saying "No, it was cognac. It was

wine."

And, so, the defense really used this to attack her credibility. The problem is, you are not looking at credibility in a preliminary hearing.

But, I think this judge, which was sort of a quiet magistrate judge, she allowed it all in.

PINSKY: Jon Leiberman, Camille Cosby was deposed in February. This was all unsealed just a few days ago. This is a case where several accusers

are suing Cosby for having called them liars. How did her deposition factor in into today is hearing?

JON LEIBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Well, that is a good question, Drew. I mean her deposition, not much of substance came out. But, it is

interesting because in many ways, Mr. Cosby brought it upon himself that his wife actually had to even be deposed and that this judge even unsealed

the deposition and made it public.

But, I will tell you this, Drew. Over the past several days, I have talked to two of Mr. Cosby is alleged victims. And, each of them said the same

thing. And, they said that this case that we are talking about tonight is their only hope for justice, for any semblance of justice, even in what

happened to them.

[19:05:01] Because this is the best shot they believe at an accuser coming face-to-face with Mr. Cosby in a court of law because obviously of his

failing health, obviously the other 50-plus alleged victims. A lot of the statute of limitations has ran out. So, they are really pegging their

hopes for any semblance of justice on this case that we are talking about tonight.

PINSKY: And, Jon, when you say that he brought it on himself that Camille is deposition having been unsealed, this is because he sued them for

defamation, right? That would require this --

LEIBERMAN: Well, yes. Yes, absolutely. I mean by his legal team coming out and essentially saying that all of these women were lying or most of

them were lying, that is what I mean when brought it upon himself because some of the questioning, most of the questioning, frankly, to Camille Cosby

was centered around the Quaaludes and many of the allegations that these women have made that Mr. Cosby`s legal team have said simply are not true.

PINSKY: Got it. Mark, you want to ring in? Go ahead.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I am concerned at something that Jon just said. And, I feel for these victims, because I call them victims.

I do not think that they are all making this up. What Jon reported was, their hopes for justice hinges upon this case.

Let us break that down for a second. What they are saying is, they want Cosby convicted. They want to see him go to prison, because he tortured

these women. What he did was reprehensible. Here is the problem. Today was just a probable cause hearing. She was not even in the courtroom.

This was going to be rubber stamped and moved along with no problem. What the attorney did in court was grandstanding. That was for the court of

public opinion. That attorney knew like I know what I am arguing in front of a judge. This is going to get passed along for trial.

The problem is, the trial is different. The burden of proof is beyond, and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. And, in my next sound bite, I

will tell you how they have numerous problems proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt in spite of his obvious --

PINSKY: Hang on, I am giving it to Sara.

LEIBERMAN: Mark --

PINSKY: Wait, wait. Hang on, let Sara give us that.

SARA AZARI, ATTORNEY: I agree with Mark --

EIGLARSH: Sara will take it. She got it.

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AZARI: I agree with Mark, and that there may be 50-plus women making these allegations and if this is their day for justice, but this case has to be

proven beyond a reasonable doubt, this particular case about Andrea Constand.

The issue that I have about this preliminary hearing that occurred today is that although it is not unusual for the victim to not be there to testify

and that an officer can testifies to what statements she made about the incident, the problem I have with today was that, the officer that

testified was not the officer that Andrea Constand had spoken to.

So, this is double hearsay. This is, you know, Drew telling Mark, Mark telling me and then I go into court and testify. So, that is the problem.

And, I think, if I was that defense attorney, I would probably be kicking and screaming, although maybe not to that extent.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Jon.

LEIBERMAN: Yes. Yes, but nobody is saying this is a slam dunk case. And, that is not what these women were saying, either. What they were saying

was they are glad that this is finally going to be heard in open court.

Obviously, there are holes. Obviously, there is not a lot of physical evidence. Obviously, there are conflicting statements. But, to them, this

is step one of what they have been hoping for, for the better part of a decade.

AZARI: And, you know, the conflicting statements goes to the jury. That is the question of fact, who is the jury going to believe ultimately in

this case? My problem is with the judge today who allowed an officer to testify to what another officer said.

PINSKY: All right. We are getting into the weeds a little bit about this. And, like you said, it is just a hearing at this point. I want to go with

something of substance here that I pulled out of a previous suit by Andrea Constand in 2005. This was settled in 2006.

This is a deposition in which Bill Cosby was describing what it was about sexual intercourse that, you know, what did he think happened to the women

when he was having sex with them. And, he said, quote, "It is something that I feel the woman will succumbed to more of a romance and more of a

feeling. Not love, but it is a deeper than a playful situation."

What he was saying was that he was disturbed by the fact or at least he was worried that if he had sex with a woman, these brittle fair sex would have

these feelings of love, and that was disturbing to him. So, he had to kind of knock them out to make sure they did not have that feeling.

Sara, do you get this logic? It really is very disturbing when you see that deposition. I saw that quote, and I was like, "Oh my God, that is why

he thought he was doing this." He thought in a weird way, he was preventing them from having feelings from the sexual encounter. So, he was

saving them from some of discomfort.

AZARI: Right. No, I think it is disturbing. And, my problem with that deposition is the fact that it is now going to be admissible evidence.

And, had he known that this was happen because the D.A. back in the day said, "We are done. We are not going to file charges against you. You are

good to go."

[19:10:00] So, his attorney advised him not to invoke his fifth amendment right and actually be deposed and make statements of that deposition under

oath. So, that is the problem with that deposition is that he acted in reliance on the D.A.s office.

PINSKY: Mark, real quick, I got to go, but quickly.

EIGLARSH: And, let me just say this, for those rolling their eyes at what Sara just said, well, who cares. It will help convict Cosby. Those same

rules apply to you. So, when a prosecutor tells you and your family members that we are not going to prosecute you, go ahead and speak. And,

then turns around and uses those statements against you, that is not fair. That should not happen.

PINSKY: Next up, I have one of Cosby`s many accusers here. She believed she may have been his first victim. And, so the common girl who says she

was chained in a basement for more than a year, escaped. You will hear from the man accused of kidnapping her, her own stepfather. Back after

this.

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BARBARA BOWMAN, BILL COSBY ACCUSER: Consent is not the absence of a no. And, when you are stuffing drugs or alcohol into a woman and then calling

it sex, it is diabolical. It is disgusting. It is unacceptable and it is rape.

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[19:05:08] PINSKY: Will Bill Cosby face jail time for sexual assault? The first of more than 50 accusers will have her day in criminal court.

Cosby ordered today to stand trial in a Pennsylvania case. I am back with Mark, Sara, Jon and Jean. And, Jean, you wanted to clarify something, go

ahead.

CASAREZ: Sure. Back in 2005, Andrea Constand did fly here to the Philadelphia area, Montgomery County to give that formal statement. And,

that is what was read in court today. It was given to two detectives. They were both in the room.

And, Katherine Hart, one of those two detectives was the one on the stand today that read her statement. Now, the defense brought out, there was a

blizzard coming. Her lieutenant said, she could leave early.

So, before it was finished, she did leave. The other detective was there. The defense put them on the stand. He is the one that witnessed Andrea

Constand crossing out certain things and writing other things in their place at the bottom of the statement.

PINSKY: So, Sara, it was the actual officer or the detective who heard her testimony, got it?

CASAREZ: Yes.

AZARI: Yes. Yes.

PINSKY: All right. Joining me by phone, I have got Kristina Ruehli, one of Cosby`s many accusers. She thinks she may have been the first he

allegedly assaulted. Thank you so much for seeing us, for joining us. What was it that you experienced?

KRISTINA RUEHLI, BILL COSBY ACCUSER: Well, I was very fortunate. I went to a party at his house or so I thought. There were other -- there was one

other woman there. He offered me a drink. I remember thinking as I sipped the drink, that there was some strange taste to it like, "Wow, this is

really strong."

There was a certain kind of burning taste to it, and I blacked out. Like many others, who have talked, I awakened naked in bed with him and I was

very fortunate. I was so sickened by the drug that I ran into the bathroom and threw up violently. When I came out, because that was too early, so

light was starting to come up. I ran back out and he was gone. So, I left and went home and I had to go to work that day.

PINSKY: Kristina, I think I heard you tell your story once. Were you the one that was told by your boss to sort of shut up when you brought it up?

RUEHLI: I never brought it up with my boss. No. That was someone else. I was afraid to tell anyone because he was a client of my company or so I

believed at the time. He was often around the office of the talent agency where I worked.

PINSKY: I see. And, you testified in a civil case against Mr. Cosby. Do you expect to be called as a witness in the criminal case?

RUEHLI: No, I was a jane doe in the criminal case 10 years ago. We never testified. We were given affidavits to sign as to what happened. I

volunteered to come forward anonymously and, you know, not as a plaintiff. But, I never knew there were any others.

PINSKY: Do you have concerns about the accusations of some of the women? Do they all seem --

RUEHLI: No. Not at all.

PINSKY: You do not have any concerns.

RUEHLI: In fact, the more I hear, the more similarity. For instance, this was 1965. And, the next three women after me that he assaulted were all

had something put in their drink.

Then, in the late `60s, you start hear about women taking Quaaludes or he gave them a pill, et cetera. So, I think he changed his routine. But,

nonetheless, we all woke up from being completely out.

PINSKY: Right.

RUEHLI: The women that I have met, there are so many similarities.

PINSKY: Yes.

RUEHLI: The bathrobe, the fascination with hair. Very similar things, you could literally make a chart of them.

PINSKY: Kristina, thank you so much for sharing this with us. Jon, you have spoken, you said, to two other women that have been through this

experience. Same stories?

LEIBERMAN: They generally tell the exact same story. Look, it is all circumstantial without physical evidence, but that is what is in some ways

it ties everything together. They all tell nearly the identical story.

PINSKY: And, I want to be clear that we at HLN, CNN cannot independently corroborate what is being reported here right now, but we will keep an eye

on this story for sure.

Next up, a father and son are accused of kidnapping a girl and chaining her in their basement. No strangers to her. The alleged victim is that man`s

stepdaughter.

[19:20:00] And, still to come, was a student bullied to death? Her parents say the school ignored pleas to end her torment. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Your 13-year-old daughter claims she was held captive in your basement on Noble Street. Shackled to a beam.

TIMOTHY CIBORO, CHARGED WITH KIDNAPPING AND CHILD ENDANGERMENT TO HIS TEEN STEPDAUGHTER: Held captive -- OK. Actually, right at this point, I am not

going to answer that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Timothy Ciboro and his son, Esten, were arraigned to this morning. The 13-year-old escaped last night, which led

to the men`s arrest.

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CINDY HUMMER, TOLEDO CLEANING LADY: We could tell she had not had a bath in a while.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: She said she was fed food scraps and forced to use a bucket as a toilet, shackled to a support beam for over a year.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: She told the women she had been held captive inside this house.

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HUMMER: With a little skirt was all torn and wrinkled. She had no shoes on.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Was she well taken care of?

CIBORO: Yes, well taken care of. She knows I love her.

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PINSKY: A 13-year-old girl escaped from a house of horrors, where she says she was chained in the basement for over a year. Tonight, her stepfather

and stepbrother are under arrest and in jail.

In a bizarre twist, the stepfather is talking to anyone who is going to listen. This is now in multiple jailhouse interviews, he has become

somewhat loquacious. Back with Mark, Sara and Jon. Jon, you have more details?

LEIBERMAN: Yes. You know, Drew, I was a national correspondent at "America`s Most Wanted" for years. And, I have read thousands of police

reports, but this one is one of the most just ugly and shocking. It gives you chills.

Let me just read this to you derived from the police report. The victim stated that the defendant kept her shackled to a support beam in the

basement of her house by her ankle. And, she was fed spoiled and old scraps of food, forced to defecate and void in a bucket containing ammonia

and she was kept like this for over a year.

What is also shocking, Drew, is that they executed a search warrant on this house and they found physical evidence, handcuffs and the like, according

to police that corroborate this teenage girl`s story that she was, indeed, held virtually like a wild animal for a period of months, captive in the

basement of her stepfather`s home.

PINSKY: Let me show you her stepfather in a jailhouse interview. He is asked why his stepfather would make allegations such as this. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Why would she say this then?

CIBORO: Because she wanted to be away from the house and she wanted to be with people that I did not want -- I knew was not good for her, her well-

being.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Boys?

CIBORO: No, no, no. Much worse than that. I have so much to tell you that it is -- it is -- it is amazing. I mean --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Did you ever lock her up?

CIBORO: I would not ever, ever -- did I ever lock her up? No, I am not going to answer that, either. I do not want to, not right now.

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PINSKY: Joining me Casey Jordan, Criminologist, host of "Wives With Knives" on Investigation Discovery. Casey, here is the deal, is this guy

delusional, distorted, disorganized, does not -- you know, sort of magically does not remember important things or he just a horrible parent

that has, you know, seems to be unable to manage child behaviors who locks her in a room?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: I think it is all of the above. But, right now, this evasive way he is dealing with the questions and the fact that he

is blaming her. Hinting at the fact that she was encourageable. He had to chain her up because she was going to go running around with something so

much worse than boys.

He is making her to sound at 13 years old like she is completely beyond control. And, yet, when she finally gets out of the house, she has just

found wondering around the port authority trying to reach relatives. And, where is he?

He is in the van with his other kids, and his pets, and the gun and the map to another city trying to flee. So, I think his actions before this

interview speak really of his guilt.

PINSKY: And, what do we think this is? Is he delusional? I mean, there is a premeditated quality to what he is doing and that he is -- you said,

he has got a gun, and animals and a map to get out of there. But, on the other hand, he seems like disorganized. Is there something going on here?

JORDAN: Yes. I am not sure I would call it quite delusional. But, in his mind, he probably believed he was disciplining her. And, this is how he

assuaged his guilt for what is essentially, at the very least, psychological and emotional abuse. I would not be at all surprised if

there is evidence later of physical and sexual abuse.

He keeps her locked up there and now that the jig is up and he realized society does not approve of putting your stepdaughter in handcuffs in the

basement for a year. He is trying to back pedal and make it look like it was for her own protection.

But, during that time, I know she has not seen her mother for at least a year. He, in his mind, kept thinking he has separated her out of society

for her own good. But I am sure that she was the victim of terrible abuse in the past year.

PINSKY: Speaking of that her well-being, Child Protective Services actually conducted a welfare check back in 2014, but they did not detect

any of this. Sara, system failure or just --

AZARI: No, no.

PINSKY: No.

AZARI: No.

PINSKY: Well, yes.

AZARI: No.

PINSKY: I mean at minimum a system failure.

AZARI: Dr. Drew, the reason DCFS got involved in 2014 was because they had seen -- one of the kids, I believe this girl, maybe, or one of the step

siblings eating out of the trashcan. So, the concern was these kids are neglected. They are abused. They are not being fed.

And, DCFS got involved to investigate further. And, they saw that many of these kids are well fed. They are not malnourished and they closed the

case. I mean, you cannot put everything on DCFS. DCFS is not the police. If there is a report, if there is evidence, they will investigate. And, if

they need to take action and remove those kids, they will; but here, this was not the case.

PINSKY: Here is another interview, the reporter questions this man, the stepfather, about alleged abuse. Take a look.

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[19:30:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: She also says she was made to eat spoiled food, scraps of foods?

CIBORO: I am not going to answer that right now either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Was she well taken care of?

CIBORO: Yes, well taken care of. She knows I love her.

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PINSKY: This girl told police she had not been in school since the first grade. Mark, kids are allowed to -- You, guys, are telling me this is not

a system is failure, kids are just allowed to drop off the grid, first graders?

EIGLARSH: Oh my goodness.

PINSKY: Oh my God to what, Mark? Oh my goodness what? I mean, I am asking.

EIGLARSH: Oh, my goodness, you are dealing with this stuff every day. I come on your show maybe once a week and I can barely get through it. That

is what "Oh my God" is.

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: I have almost a 13-year-old daughter thinking. So, I am thinking of what this girl went through. I am having a tough time with it.

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: However, I will stay calm for a moment and say that I would not necessarily immediately conclude that DCF failed if they came and they saw

that she was not malnourished --

PINSKY: Hey, Mark. Mark, I want to interrupt you. I understand that. I am not saying it should be DCFS. But, I am saying a first grader

disappears and mom flees. I am going to tell you about her in a few minutes. Mom takes off and everyone goes, "Oh well, anyway, another one we

lost." I mean nobody --

AZARI: But, this is --

EIGLARSH: I am not suggesting that there should not be someone held responsible if they drop the ball. This is so disgusting, someone needs to

go through it step by step and see what can be done differently.

PINSKY: Sara, what were you saying there?

AZARI: But, what can be done differently, Mark, because what is DCF going to do, put surveillance cameras inside the home to see if parents are

treating their children?

PINSKY: Hold on, Sara. Holdon.

EIGLARSH : Sara.

PINSKY: You too, wait a minute. Casey? Casey?

EIGLARSH: It is too late to talk about school.

PINSKY: Yes. School and --

EIGLARSH: Why was not she in school?

PINSKY: And, by the way --

EIGLARSH: That is the question.

PINSKY: Casey, you are doing an evaluation, you come in and get a look at the dad, are not your Spidey senses already up? Casey, it is for you.

JORDAN: Sorry, I just lost audio. What was your question?

PINSKY: I was saying, you walk into that house, do an evaluation and you see that dad, are not your Spidey senses more than tingling, vibrating?

JORDAN: Yes, because he really is dripping with manipulation. He is engaged in some kind of denial and self-brainwashing. I mean he had nailed

planks over the basement windows. I am not saying DCF is at fault here.

The girl knew to say when she was questioned, "I am supposedly home- schooled," but she has never been home schooled. She just knows the right answers to say. But, really the question is where is this girl`s mother?

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PINSKY: I am going to tell you. We will take a break, but I am going to tell you where the mother is. The mother --

EIGLARSH: Drew.

PINSKY: Wait, Mark. The mother is a fugitive in Las Vegas.

AZARI: Right.

PINSKY: And, still to come, I have a teenager -- hold on, you can tell me what you want to after the break.

EIGLARSH: I will.

PINSKY: A teenager commits suicide after she was allegedly tormented by classmates. Her grieving parents say it did not have to happen. Back

after this.

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KAREN LAUDERMILL, CALLED 911: I seen a young girl that was 13-years old. And, she was having problems at home and she had a lot of bags and she had

ran away. She said she had been peeing in the bed. And, her dad had chained her down in the basement with cuffs on her ankles.

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HUMMER: She was on a program and gave her 50 points. And, if she wet the bed, she would get handcuffed, put down in the basement with no food.

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PINSKY: A 13-year-old girl shackled in the basement, fed spoiled food and she finally managed to escape. Her stepfather and stepbrother had been

charged with kidnapping. Back with Mark, Sara, Jon and Casey. Jon, how in fact did she escape?

LEIBERMAN: Well, I will tell you, this little girl could have say -- or this teen rather could have saved her own life. She was so courageous and

she planned to break out of there. Her plan, she told police was to go and find her biological mother, who she believe probably left around 2012.

What she did was, she smuggled an extra key to her handcuffs down into the basement. She knew when her stepfather and her stepbrother were at work

and that is when she unlocked herself, grabbed some food, took a change of clothes and left. And, that is when this neighbor saw her wondering on the

streets and called 911, as you just heard.

PINSKY: And, apparently, the mother is a wanted fugitive living in Las Vegas since 2012, as you said. Casey, this girl was not biologically

related to the perpetrator here. And, let us sort of shine a light on the person that is most likely to be the greatest risk to a child. It is a

male in the home, who is not genetically related. Would that be accurate?

JORDAN: Yes, it is. And, you are most in danger with the person who is sitting into your dining room table or sitting on the sofa next to you

watching television. And, do not discount the importance of this case -- the tragedy of this case, just because it is allegedly family who is

accused. This reminds me so much of the Cleveland captors case.

PINSKY: Yes, me too.

JORDAN: They have a lot of similarities.

PINSKY: Yes.

JORDAN: Even that home looks the same.

PINSKY: Yes, I agree.

JORDAN: And, just because this man knew her since she was a young child, in my mind, that even makes it worse, because he used her trust. He did

not abduct her off the street. He did not have to. He used the situation of her mother being on the run. The fact that she was in the home.

The convenience of just letting her disappear. Neighbors just quit seeing her a year ago, but they did not know where she went. And, he used the

cover of him being the stepfather to exploit and abuse this child. So, I have no pity for him. And, I think the fact that he is family makes it

worse.

PINSKY: Now, Mark, before the break, you want to ring in with something. What was that?

EIGLARSH: Well, I got to tease you. We have been friends for a while and you brought up something in the last segment. So, now I am thinking that

there is a police department of Drew Pinsky`s and the arrest reporter reads something like this. "The defendant was stripped of his liberty and the

children were taken away because officers spoke with the defendant and their spider senses were tingling."

PINSKY: Spidey. Spidey.

EIGLARSH: Really? Is that all it takes?

PINSKY: Get it right. Get it right.

EIGLARSH: Spidey, whatever.

PINSKY: Get it right. Listen --

EIGLARSH: Well, now we have corrected the report. Now, it makes sense.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I am talking to a mental health professional who is using our instincts just by looking at the perpetrator.

[19:40:02] EIGLARSH: Oh!

PINSKY: Come on, Casey, help me out here.

EIGLARSH: Yes.

PINSKY: Yes. Let us gang up on Mark a little bit.

(LAUGHING)

JORDAN: OK. Well, I mean, first of all --

PINSKY: Sara has got my back.

JORDAN: This stepfather is a former firefighter who has been fired twice. That is a hard thing to do. You have to really screw up to get fired from

a city job. And, he was not following the rules.

AZARI: Wait, time-out, though.

PINSKY: But, you know, Sara, not time-out. No, wait, what Casey is saying, is when we are doing a mental health assessment, we start adding up

a score, how they make us feel, what their history is. What is the employment record is.

AZARI: OK. Maybe on the --

PINSKY: And, Mark, it may not be police work, but it is clinical work. And, that is all we are talking about here.

AZARI: And, I respect clinical work but if you are trying to say that, that is somehow evidence that he is an abusive father, I do not think that

--

JORDAN: No. It is not evidence. It is evidence of character. He does not follow the rules. After one reason, he was --

AZARI: No, we are talking about different characters at issue. The character at issue here is whether he abused the child or not, whether he

is abusive, neglectful, etcetera.

PINSKY: Right.

AZARI: The character you are talking about is honesty with his boss at work.

PINSKY: No. No. No. Sara, no. We are talking about a building a case for difficulty functioning and what those difficulties were that lead us to

conclude --

JORDAN: Thank you.

PINSKY: -- certain things about character or logical construct. Not character. Is this an outstanding person or not? Let me go to the phone

here. I have got Karen Laudermill. She is the lady that called 911 after the 13-year-old had explained her ordeal to her. Karen, tell us what

happened when you saw this 13-year-old girl?

LAUDERMILL (via phone): Well, it was just another day at work and I was coming down to take my trash out. And, I was on my way to the dumpster

when I looked out the window and I have seen young black female walking. But, she was very frail and She had a lot of bags.

PINSKY: And, what did she tell you? How did she look?

LAUDERMILL: She looked bad. She did not tell me anything. I had not left the building to go and approach her. I seen her and it was just God -- I

tell you the reason why. Because, when I looked at her, I started running to the side door through our building to the side door to cut her off.

I cut her off by the dumpster that is in the back that she had walked on down the sidewalk. And, I stopped because I did not really want to scare

her. But, I stopped and I said come here. She looked at me. I said you ran away from home.

And, she said no. So, I start to approach her. And, I said, "Yes, you ran away from home." I said whatever is going on at home, you can tell me.

She said, "My dad said you do not talk to strangers because if you talk to strangers, you will get in trouble and you make a lot of trouble."

PINSKY: Which is sort of a classic way that these perpetrators, Casey --

JORDAN: Yes.

PINSKY: -- sort of split their victims off from the world, so they can do their thing. Thank you, Karen.

LAUDERMILL: Absolutely.

PINSKY: I got to thank a break. Next, what drove a beautiful young middle school student to commit suicide? Her former principal may have an answer.

Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 DISPATCHER: 911 what is the address and the emergency?

MARK OLSEN, EMILIE`S FATHER: Please, I need an ambulance, please.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: December 11th, Emilie Olsen came home from school, pulled out her dad`s gun and pointed it at her head.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

MARK OLSEN: My daughter shot herself.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: What would drive a 13-year-old to suicide? Bullying took a toll on Emilie. Emilie student file contains details of a

fight in October. Less than two months before her suicide. Last year, in sixth grade, this girl was getting bullied like bad. It was awful last

year. And, people are still doing it this year.

Emilie`s father, Mark, tried to warn the school. In a January 2014 e-mail, he wrote, "Emilie has become the target of bullying by a few girls. I have

a bad feeling, that if nothing is done, then this has the possibility to escalate into something worse."

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PINSKY: A 13-year-old girl kills herself with her father`s gun. Her parents say the middle school could have presented it. Emilie Olsen`s

parents are suing the school district, her administrators and the students they claim tormented their daughter relentlessly. Back with Mark, Sara,

Jon, and Casey. Jon, what do we believe this girl was going through every day at school?

LEIBERMAN: I mean, look, in many ways, Drew, Emilie was bullied to death. She was physically bullied. She was bullied on social media. She was

bullied psychologically. I will give you a couple examples. An Instagram account was set up.

And, on the Instagram account, it posted "Emilie Olsen is gay." "I am Emilie, I am gay and I love to random people in the woods." Then this

escalated into physical altercations, where she would be called names in school, confronted in the bathroom and allegedly hit and beaten and shoved,

and it goes on and on. Tripped.

And, her belongings would be broken. Her lunch would be stolen. Expletives would be yelled at her. And, it continued, as I said, on social

media and in the classroom and in the hallways. And, she simply, at the end of the day, it appears, could not escape it.

PINSKY: Now, the school superintendent responded when the word got out that bullying may have led to Emilie`s suicide. Here is how they

responded.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Eight days after her death, the Superintendent Paul Otten issued a statement to parents. "The Fairfield Township Police

Department conducted a thorough investigation and did not find any credible evidence that bullying was a factor in this tragedy. It seems there is an

unjustified need to place blame for this horrendous event."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Mark, just based on our superficial blog brush with this case, they did not look at her file. They apparently did not even look at the

student file. We saw it. And, that is why we got to see the bullying. The police did not look for that? What is that about?

[19:50:00] EIGLARSH: That statement is insulting. If there is ever a case where there is evidence of bullying, it is here. What is the father

to do? You cannot physically walk on to a school campus and try to prevent your daughter from continued torture by other students.

So, he writes a letter saying, "Something is going to happen. Please do something." And, they did not do anything. I like this lawsuit. I think

they should hit and make sure they get paid.

PINSKY: Sara.

AZARI: Mark, what is a father to do? The father has a gun laying around in his house where he knows that his daughter --

PINSKY: Oh, Sara.

AZARI: No, I am sorry --

PINSKY: Sara, we cannot blame the father.

AZARI: No. Wait.

EIGLARSH: Oh, come on.

AZARI: No, no. This girl --

PINSKY: Sara, no.

AZARI: Wait, listen. This girl had a history of self-mutilation. She had a history of depression, before she even went to the school. So, first of

all, as much as I could love to love this lawsuit, too, like you, Mark, was any of this related to the bullying? And, why did the parents not move her

to another school?

PINSKY: All right, Casey, let me ask Casey. What should have been done?

EIGLARSH: Sara --

PINSKY: What should have been done?

JORDAN: Oh, my God! That is like asking why a battered woman does not leave.

PINSKY: Right.

JORDAN: They did every single thing to use the system as it was set up. It was without affect. I mean it was useless. They used due process.

They sent e-mails. They talked to the principal.

I mean I love that scene from the old movie "Hand that Rocks the Cradle" where the nanny goes on to the school playground and addresses the bully

and shakes him a little, and then he leaves the little girl alone. You cannot do that these days.

Parents who get on the school bus and address their child`s attacker get arrested. So, they followed the rules, and they used due process and

nothing was done. The school district not only did not prevent it when it was brought to their attention, they did not address it. And, I hate

nuisance suits, as an attorney, but I am telling you, I hope the parents prevail in this one. If nothing else, it will raise consciousness about

the problem.

PINSKY: Got to go to break. Jon, to you after this break. We will continue this conversation.

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PINSKY: We are discussing a 13-year-old girl, who committed suicide after having been tormented at school. The parents are suing, claiming the

school ignored warning signs that could have prevented the suicide. We should note that the school superintendent took a job at another school

district.

The principal has resigned citing, quote, "Personal reasons." I am back with Mark, Sara, Jon and Casey. And, Jon, you wanted to say something as

we are going out in the last break.

LEIBERMAN: Well, Drew, yes. This was not just a father begging for somebody to listen to him. Obviously, this has to be proven, but in the

lawsuit itself it spells out a number of different instances where teachers or administrators saw with their own eyes the physical altercations that

were happening and saw with their own eyes things that were scribbled on the bathroom wall, like "Emilie is a ho. Go die, Emilie. Go kill

yourself, Emilie." So, if that is proven to be true, that is some pretty strong and damning evidence that those at the school knew exactly what was

going on.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Mark.

EIGLARSH: I cannot let Sara go without somehow giving her some pushback to her statements. Here the school ignored so many signs of bullying, and she

immediately blames the victim`s father. He should eliminate all knives, guns, pills, high areas that she could jump from. You do not think the

school has any responsibility?

PINSKY: They take away her shoelaces and her belt. What are you going to do, Sara.

EIGLARSH: Come on.

AZARI: No, no. Listen, if the school in fact had noticed, if that is proven to be true, yes, I do believe the school has liability.

PINSKY: Of course, the school do notice.

EIFGLARSH: Where have you been?

AZARI: That still does not make it OK for a gun to be in a home with a young girl, who has a history of self-mutilation and depression. That is

not OK.

PINSKY: Let me show you a post Emilie put on Facebook in a conversation with a friend. It reads, "My New Year`s resolution is to die, to have my

perfect suicide go as planned. I have the perfect plan, but why does suicide seem like the only way out? I never wanted to die in my life and

now I do. I hate what I have become."

Ten days later, she is dead. Now, I am hoping, Casey, that she must have been in some sort of treatment. So, there may be clinicians that they are

going to get looked at, scrutinized here as well, I suspect.

JORDAN: Yes, but at the same time everything in that message just screams of the pain that she was in. And, sometimes no amount of medication or

treatment can really address that. It is the causal factors are ongoing.

So, you can medicate somebody, you can counsel them. But if she is still being bullied every single day and no one is doing anything about it and

she is powerless as a 13-year-old to solve it herself, it is not surprising. I mean to a 13-year-old committing suicide is relatively rare.

PINSKY: Yes.

JORDAN: But suicide among 10 to 14-year-olds has gone up 50 percent in the last two decades, and about 71 percent of those are directly linked to

bullying. This is a huge problem.

PINSKY: It is a huge deal. Yes.

JORDAN: And, other parents have come forward to say that their kids were bullied and nothing was done either. So, it was a systemic problem.

PINSKY: Mark, your kids just moved through the middle school years, did not they? And, you have seen what kids do. It is pretty egregious.

EIGLARSH: I have got two still in middle school, and it is. And, let me tell you something. The minute they get one notice of bullying, forget

about numerous like in this case, you stop, you make it a priority.

You think maybe someone might die. Work backwards and say, what would I do differently? That is what every principal should be doing as a result of

this case. Enough already.

PINSKY: All right, guys. Jon, I am reflecting as we went through the stories today, I have seen you go through some horrible stories having been

embedded with the whack pack. But in spite of that, tonight you got your Spidey senses are tingling.

LEIBERMAN: Yes, absolutely. I mean between the whack pack and all my time in "America`s Most Wanted" and then these stories tonight, Drew, I do not

know when I can come back, my friend.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: All right. I hope you will come back soon. Thank you, panel. DVR us then you can watch this show any time. We do appreciate you

watching. I appreciate my panelists as well. We will see you next time. Nancy Grace is up next.

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