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Special Coverage: Terror In Orlando; A Major Development Today In The Killer`s Possible Motive; Some Say Responding Law Enforcement Are Heroes, But Some Say That The Three-Hour Delay May Have Cost Lives; Orlando Massacre Survivor`s Horrific Stories; Anderson Cooper Gave An Emotional Tribute To The Lives Lost; Touching Vigils From Around The Globe
Aired June 14, 2016 - 19:00 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): A major development today in the killer`s possible motive. We are hearing reports not only did he visit
Pulse nightclub here multiple times, but a law enforcement official says he cased out Disney Springs one week before the nightclub shooting. One of
many questions really for investigators right now is exactly how much the gunman`s wife knew about her husband`s plan.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: What she knew before this attack and whether she knew enough to know he was going to carry out this mass
shooting and did not come forward to authorities. Of course that would be a crime and she could be charged for that.
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MUBIN SHAIKH, COUNTERTERROR OPERATIVE, FMR ISLAMIC EXTREMIST: In expressing this kind of ideologically based beliefs for a long time. But
along with that, he was also gay. And I think he could not deal with that. He could not reconcile with two identities and went off and decided he was
going to destroy one identity by shooting all those people in Orlando.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW" PROGRAM: Now, CNN cannot independently confirm that this man was gay. And I have my doubts. No one
has stepped forward and said he had a relationship with this man.
But the hypothetical might help us understand some of the motivation to plot and carry out the deadliest mass shooting in moderate American
history. We have a lot to get you tonight.
Joining me, CNN Correspondent, Martin Savidge, reporting from Orlando; Steven Moore, retired FBI Agent and Sara Azari, Criminal Defense Attorney
and Steve Houchin, Deputy City Attorney for the Hollywood area of Los Angeles. Martin, what are you hearing about this killer and his sentiment
towards homosexuals?
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It depends on who you talk to, Dr. Drew. If you listen to his father, he stated that this rampage impart had
been triggered as a result of his son apparently seeing two men kiss, and that he was so disturbed, so troubled by that, it was part of what played
into the hatred that clearly played out of the murder of these people.
There are others who said no, he actually may have been gay, himself. These are those in the gay community, who say they linked up with him at
least on social media and that he had used a number of apps for gay dating. So two very kind of different depictions here and it complicates the
investigation.
Clearly, it also changes the potential motivation here. A man driven by hate, driven by a terroristic cause, or a man who was affected as a result
of something else; a personal conundrum inside of him. Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Thank you, Martin. And that dad calling his son a good boy made my skin crawl. Obviously, he is talking about his perceptions of the kid
before the murderous rampage. But I am telling you what, severe domestic violence? That is OK? That is a good boy? Come on now.
Now, before I move on, I want to show you an update of the record amount of money being raised for victims on the GoFundMe site. This is a live
picture of the page. The total is north of $3 million, almost $4 million right now.
A source tells CNN that the killer`s present wife, Nour Salman, tried to talk him out of committing mass murder. Additional reports are that she
told the FBI, she had gone to Disney World with him. There are questions about whether she was with him on the surveillance trip to Pulse, the club
where the mass murder went down.
And whether she was with him -- In fact, she apparently reported she was with him when he bought ammunition and a holster. Sara, this woman, in my
opinion is guilty of a crime. Am I wrong here?
SARA AZARI, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, Dr. Drew, morally, absolutely, she is liable. Who is going to talk a radicalist out of doing
something like this? This is not him going out and get it with his spouse --
PINSKY: Wait, Sara. Sara, but wait -- forget talk him out. Hello, Orlando Police, St. Lucia Police, I have a guy who wants to kill people on
my end.
AZARI: Absolutely. Absolutely.
PINSKY: Call the psychiatric hospital. Let us call the local hospital. I have been thought he is homicidal.
AZARI: Right.
PINSKY: He need some help.
AZARI: And by the way, there is -- the law says if you materially support a terrorist attack, you are liable. She could get the death penalty. If
in fact, she knew that when she took him to Pulse nightclub to scope the club out, that it was to carry out this attack. She took him to buy
ammunition and holster. Did she know why he is buying the ammunition and the holster?
So this is going to turn on the investigation that the FBI has begun on her to determine her liability, because if she, in any way -- we saw it with
the San Bernardino killings, where the man who had sold the gun or provided the gun to the perpetrator has been indicted and is being prosecuted. If
she could face the death penalty, absolutely.
PINSKY: And Steve Moore, do you think that the FBI has made a deal with her, so they can get information out of her or maybe some immunity here?
STEVE MOORE, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI, RETIRED: I doubt it. I doubt it, because they have just convened a grand jury. And I do not think they would
convene a grand jury if they had a deal with her. Where she has destroyed her defense at all is, "I tried to talk him out of it." Well, you cannot
try to talk something out of something you do not know about.
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MOORE: So she knew the plan. She is guilty. She is a material supporter. And she is culpable for everything he did.
PINSKY: Steve Houchin, now, the Pulse club in Orlando was nearly two hours from his home in St. Lucy, it is called. Now, do you think that, that was
him trying to hide his homosexual tendencies, so no one would discover him being two hours away from home? Or is that just a club he liked? Or is
that a club he was scouting out to murder people?
STEVE HOUCHIN, LA CITY PROSECUTOR, WORKS ON LGBT TASK FORCE WITH LAPD: You know what, obviously, it is unclear. But if it is true, the reports are
true that he, himself, is gay, I think it is a sad story of someone who is self-hatred.
And I think it just shows the danger for our leadership, our religious leaders, everybody who does not embrace the LGBTQ community and cause
someone to reach this point where they feel so much hatred that they have to go on and commit such a horrible crime.
PINSKY: Again, this guy`s father, he said horrible things about homosexuals since the assault even though he said, "Man should not be the
one being judge and jury." Oh, thanks, dad. As early as 2001, this killer with 14 or 15 years of age, he allegedly expressed terrorist tendencies.
"The Washington Post" says a former high school classmate reported that this guy cheered as the jets hit the Twin Towers on 9/11. Steve H., if he
was -- I do not know how to ask this. I mean, let me ask Steve Moore -- Steve M. If this guy was doing that back as a teenager, why did not the
FBI know that? Why were not they watching him more carefully?
MOORE: Well, they probably were, but you have to understand how many people they have to watch. And I was on the al-Qaeda squad the day after
9/11. Do you know that I probably had 20 people, 20 investigations running on people who cheered or celebrated 9/11? You do not have the manpower to
take every single one of them out.
PINSKY: All right. Now, the FBI Director also disclosed something chilling. The killer had told them three years ago. Take a listen.
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We first became aware of him in May of 2013. He said he hoped the law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault
his wife and child, so that he could martyr himself.
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PINSKY: Sara, not enough there to sort of keep a good eye on this guy? How about local law enforcement watching this dude?
AZARI: You know, I think -- Yes, of course, I am with you, Dr. Drew. But you know what? To the FBI`s credit, and I agree with Steve, they did
investigate him twice and they shut it down.
They did not feel that there was enough to really further investigate based on their suspicion of his involvement with any type of terrorist activity.
So, you know, these things are not bullet proof. I mean the FBI can only do so much.
PINSKY: I cannot accept that. Guys, that is not good enough. If I were running a business and Sara were reporting to me on the failure of that
business to have run properly, I do not know about you out there, I am angry. Anybody else feel angry? Are not you angry this happened to 50
Americans?
AZARI: Of course I am angry.
PINSKY: No. Hold it. You are the one who are giving me the report. I am not going to kill the messenger. Do not worry. I just want people to be
thinking about what the solutions are here. And if you are as angry as I am, let us start thinking about this, everybody.
Next up, a young woman held hostage in the nightclub bathroom. She feels guilty she survived. I will tell you why, after this.
And later, responding law enforcement, some say they are heroes. Though there are critics that say that the delay, the three-hour delay may have
cost lives. We will debate that. Stay with us.
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PATIENCE CARTER, SHOOTING SURVIVOR: The guilt of feeling grateful to be alive is heavy. Wanting to smile about surviving, but not sure if the
people around you are ready. As the world mourns, the victims killed and viciously slain.
I feel guilty about screaming about my legs in pain, because I could feel nothing like the other 49 who were not so lucky to feel this pain of mine.
I never thought in a million years that this could happen. I never thought in a million years that is my eyes could witness something so tragic.
Looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals; looking at the killer is machine gun throughout my right periphery; looking at the blood
and debris covered on everyone`s faces; looking at the gunman`s feet under the stall as he paces, the guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy.
It is like the weight of the ocean`s walls crushing uncontrolled by levees. It is like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown on
the back of a Chevy. It is like being rushed to the hospital and told you are going to make it when you laid beside individuals whose lives were
brutally taken. The guilt of being alive is heavy.
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PINSKY: That is patience Carter. She was shot in the leg, held hostage in the bathroom for three hours. I am back with Steve and Sara. Joining us,
Spirit, Psychotherapist.
And on the phone, I have Patience Carter from her hospital bed. Patience, I saw that tape earlier today and I was so deep -- profoundly moved. And I
just want to know how you are feeling?
CARTER (via phone): I am just feeling grateful that everybody received it in the way that I really had hoped. I just wanted to get the story out in
the best way I could and the only way I knew how to do that was through writing.
PINSKY: And I hope you know that survivor guilt is normal, right? You know that?
CARTER: Yes.
[19:15:00] PINSKY: And I hope you let the rest of us carry some of that for you. Will you do that?
CARTER : Yes, it is really hard.
PINSKY: I know. Can you take me through what happened after you first heard the gunshots and how you ended up in the bathroom?
CARTER: Well, right after I heard the gunshots, because I was standing with my friends at the time, so I dropped to the floor in heel. Like I
just dropped to the floor, like I was so much in shock because I could not believe that, like -- at first, I thought the gunshots were actually a part
of the music.
I thought that it was a joke of some kind that the club was doing to get people out of their club because around like 1:58 and 2:00, they were about
to close soon. And my friend Tiara and Kiara, they both ran in the direction of the bar. I actually started scooting backwards as fast as I
could.
I did not even realize that I was scooting out towards the door, the exit. And I saw Kiara get up and run towards me. And I told her, "Get down! Get
down!" Because she was running in my direction.
And she came over to me, I said, "Where is Tiara? Where is Tiara?" But when I looked up, me and Kiara, we are outside already. So I was like, "We
have to go to get Tiara. Where is Tiara?" And she said, "She was inside."
So we went back inside to get her, but we ended up getting stuck there because the gunshots got louder and louder and which, at the time, we still
did not know that these were actual gunshots firing. So we saw everyone rushing into the bathroom.
So we decided to rushed into the bathroom as well, to hide. And that is where we ended up getting stuck because the gunman eventually came in there
and started shooting as well.
PINSKY: And did he say anything? Did you -- were you guys talking with him?
CARTER: He said a lot of things in the bathroom. In his own 911 phone call, he made a statement about him wanting America to stop bombing his
country and was pledging his allegiance to ISIS and speaking Arabic.
And then he even spoke directly to us in the bathroom, still. He asked us like, "Are there any black people in here?" And there was an African-
American male in the bathroom stall with me, who is saying, "Yes, there is about six to seven of us in here."
And he responded back to the African-American male saying that, "You know, I do not have a problem with black people. You guys suffered enough in
this country, but this is for my country"
And he made that brutally clear that, you know, this is -- he was not doing it to specifically harm anyone, but he really was doing this because he
believed that his message was more important than everyone`s lives.
PINSKY: But Patience, did not he reach over the stalls and start just firing randomly?
CARTER: He did. Yes.
PINSKY: Did you have to see people killed in those stalls?
CARTER: I did.
PINSKY: I do not care what his ideology is, I do not care. I also heard that he was very quiet and cold in how he did this. Is that true?
CARTER: Yes.
PINSKY: I am so sorry. I am sorry. I hate this man. I am sorry. I know you must have a mix of emotions. Spirit, I am going to go to you. Help us
through some of this. It is the survivors` guilt, hatred. What should patience do?
SPIRIT, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, it is tough, Dr. Drew. We have done a lot of conversations together. And I am just hoping that I hold it
together tonight.
PINSKY: Yes.
SPIRIT: But, what I will say is this is that, as you told her, she needs to allow us all to be able to kind of carry some of this guilt on our
shoulders, but to also remember that there would not be one person, who would want her to hurt anymore than she already has.
And so to see her survival as a blessing and to live a full, full life for all of those individuals who will not have that opportunity. So she has to
have the courage to get the healing that she needs, so that she can go on so her life will not be lived in vain.
PINSKY: Patience, did you hear all that?
CARTER: Yes.
PINSKY: Do you know how grateful we are that you are alive? Do you know?
CARTER: Yes.
PINSKY: OK. All right. Well, is there something you would like us to do to support you or to pay tribute to those that were not -- are not here
with us?
CARTER: I think just continuing to share everyone`s story who did not make it and who survived, because their stories do matter. And celebrate the
lives of the people who did survive and the lives of people who also did not survive and do remember their legacy. That is very, very important,
because these are human beings in the stalls with me.
PINSKY: Patience, you are a living tribute to their memory. Thank you for joining us, OK?
CARTER: Thank you.
PINSKY: Take care of yourself.
[19:20:00] Next up, this gentleman -- gentleman? Gunman, continued to kill and hold these hostages for three-breathtaking hours. Imagine going
through that. So one of the questions that we want to ask is, why did it take so long for the police to storm the nightclub.
And later, my friend and colleague, CNN, Anderson Cooper gave an emotional tribute to the lives lost. We will hear from him, stay with us.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Around 2:30 a.m., the gunman calls 911 from the bathroom. At 5:00 a.m., a S.W.A.T. team uses an
explosion and an armored vehicle to break through the wall of a different bathroom, rescuing dozens more people.
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JIM CLEMENTE, FMR. FBI PROFILER: The reason why you had that three-hour delay was because they wanted to make sure they were safely able to make an
assault and not kill people, innocent people.
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[19:25:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Is there a chance that the people might have been struck by friendly fire, so to speak, maybe in the cross
fire, maybe an officer might have hit one of the victims?
CHIEF JOHN MINA, ORLANDO POLICE DEPARTMENT: I will say, it is part of the investigation. But I will say, when our S.W.A.T. officers, about eight or
nine officers opened fire, their backdrop was a concrete wall and they were being fired upon.
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PINSKY: While the FBI`s failure to nail that guy has been debated at length, new questions are being raised about whether local law enforcement
made the right choices or ultimately made matters or -- I do not want to say made matters worse, but could have intervened sooner.
Back with retired FBI Agent, Steve Moore; Attorney Sara Azari; Psychotherapist, Spirit and joining us Randy Sutton, retired Lieutenant
from Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. Now, police waited three hours before raiding the club. Steve, what was your reaction when you
watched the events go down?
MOORE: I was watching what they did. I watched the assault and I was thinking to myself, these guys are awesome. These guys are heroes. And
somebody said -- and it was only three hours later. And I said, what? Three hours later? That is inconceivable. It is wrong. There needs to be
-- not a criminal investigation, but like an airliner that crashes.
The NTSB goes in and finds out what went wrong, so this will never happen again. We need to go in and find out why in the post-columbine world, we
let dozens of people bleed and possibly to death inside that place before we rescued them.
PINSKY: Randy, any disagreement there?
RANDY SUTTON, LT., LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN P.D. (RET.): Well, yes. I think there is some new information that came out. I was thinking along the same
lines. I had the same questions as to, why did it take so long for the assault to take place.
But initially, when the police officer engaged him outside, they then went inside. I saw the diagram of the interior location and realized that they
actually engaged this suspect in gunfire inside while he was still shooting people.
So, they did what an -- they actually followed an active shooter kind of scenario by going in. It was during that time when they engaged him in
gunfire inside the club is when he moved into the bathroom area and that is where the action stopped for that particular -- for that time period.
But, the dynamic changes when you are in the active shooter. He then goes into a hidden location, the bathrooms where then the dynamic changes
because he stopped at least for a period of time opening fire inside.
PINSKY: Yes, but Randy, he was killing people in the stalls, indiscriminately. People were stuck in those stalls, and he was reaching
over the stalls and firing. Crazy.
MOORE: And even if he did not, people are bleeding out. The imperative for active shooter, and I have taught it for years and I did it for five
years on a S.W.A.T. team is that, if people are being shot or killed, well, you do not have to -- if somebody is stabbing somebody, it is still being
killed. If you are keeping police from responding to evacuate, people who are dying --
PINSKY: Yes. To be fair, we do not know, they may have been in there evacuating people.
MOORE: No, they were not. I have listened to the sheriff. And he said that they went in and anybody who is conscious, they helped them out. What
about the people who were bleeding unconscious?
I remember my first -- it was a school shooting, and there was 5-year-old kid there bleeding out. And the only reason he survived is because a
paramedic broke the rules, and came in and got him.
PINSKY: Now, the police chief you are referring admitted that some of the victims may have been hit by police gunfire. Randy, is that avoidable?
SUTTON: In a chaotic situation like this, there is a possibility that collateral damage can take place. Remember that in a gunfight, those
rounds are going -- you are trying to get them down range only at the target, but you can be Annie Oakley and you are not going to hit the target
every single time.
You have the crowded, crowded atmosphere plus you have rounds coming toward you. You are trying to engage that suspect. But there is a possibility
that if you are returning fire, there could be rounds that hit the wrong person.
PINSKY: Hey, Spirit, you and I could not be further away from this stuff. I got to ask those questions. But I would much rather talk about the
courage of this first responders, you know what I am saying? The Orlando police themselves spoke about first responders and from law enforcement.
Let us take a look.
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JERRY DEMINGS, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF: Many of them saw some carnage that they would never, ever see in any other location. If you think about it,
this is not a war zone that we are living in. This is a civilized society.
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PINSKY: These guys showed immense courage. They are heroes. But Spirit, they are humans, and they are going to need some help.
[19:30:04] SPIRIT: At the end of the day, Dr. Drew, we are all going to need some help. And so I think that it is more important rather than us
Monday morning quarterbacking this situation, is to make sure that we do remember that at the end of the day is that we are all humans here doing
the best that we can in unprecedented times.
And we have to continue to learn how to make ourselves safer from these situations. Everyone is suffering, and so now we have to come together
instead of being divided, which is exactly what the shooter wanted to have happen, Dr. Drew. Let us not forget that. He wanted us to hate. He
wanted to divide us.
PINSKY: But you know what? I hate. I hate him. I do hate. I do. I hate him.
SPIRIT: And that is the wrong thing, though, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: No. You know what? What are you going to do? Reach out --
SPIRIT: -- because that makes you no different than him.
PINSKY: No, I am sorry.
SPIRIT: That makes you -- Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: What if we were facing an enemy like the Nazis or something? Show them love? No.
SPIRIT: No.
PINSKY: It is OK to hate people that are inhumane.
SPIRIT: And that is not what I am saying here. I agree with you, Dr. Drew, but at the end of the day, him hating those people, him hate what
they represented is exactly why we are here now.
And, that is why hate will never beat hate, Dr. Drew. Only love and coming together and being willing to look at each other as human beings, that is
the only way that we ever have a chance of saving ourselves.
PINSKY: All right. Next up --
SPIRIT: It is the only way.
PINSKY: Listen, I am all for it. If he had come to me the day before, I could have seen it as a human being. Day after, no.
SPIRIT: I am just saying.
PINSKY: Sorry, that is me.
Next up, a victim is shot in the back is saved when a. We will hear from that witness uses a bandana to help stop the bleeding. We will hear from
that hero. That is next.
And later, the world mourns with Orlando and lends its support. We will share some of the touching vigils from around the globe. Stay with us.
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NORMAN CASIANO, ORLANDO MASSACRE SURVIVOR: He laughed. And as he was laughing, that is when he fires.
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UNIDENTIFIED TRANSGENDER FEMALE: I know friends that actually had to hide under dead bodies to felt that he would think they were dead as well.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: People are passing me, like I am getting covered in blood from other people.
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LUIS BURBANO, SHOOTING EYEWITNESS: I do not even want to look back. I did not want to look at them. That would be the last thing I see in my face
and the last memory I have. That is not something I want to remember.
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ANDY MOSS, SHOOTING SURVIVOR: We are standing up and fighting. That is all we can do. All we can do is fight.
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JOSH MCGILL, ORLANDO MASSACRE EYEWITNESS: I have been trying to keep it together. And I am thinking, finally, my breaking point.
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PINSKY: Forty-nine dead, 53 injured in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. Back with retired FBI agent, Steve Moore; Attorney Sara Azari;
Psychotherapist, Spirit. Joining us from Orlando, I have Andrea Bernado, friend of Christopher Drew Leinonen. Andrea, how are you doing?
ANDREA BERNADO, LOST FRIEND IN ORLANDO MASSACRE: I am doing well, OK. Thank you.
PINSKY: Tell us about Drew.
BERNADO: Drew Leinonen was an incredible human being. I met Drew the very first day that he and I both moved into the dorms at UCF and we instantly
became friends. He is one of my dearest friends. I have had the pleasure of knowing and loving him for 13 years. Just an incredible human being, my
confidant. I miss him so much.
PINSKY: Andrea, I am getting emotional hearing you talk about him. And, I know your feelings are repeated over and over and over by families and
friends of 50 people. And the rest of us who are angry and feel helpless. What can we do to support you and what we can do to honor his memory?
BERNADO: Say his name. These are all people. They are all individual people that had family and friends that loved them very much. Say his
name, Drew. Some people called him Chris.
PINSKY: Drew Chris Leinonen. You got it.
BERNADO: Leinonen.
PINSKY: Leinonen. Now, you were just at a vigil , Andrea. Can you tell us about that?
BERNADO: I actually was not there. I made the decision to come here because I was told that I could have the opportunity to talk about my
friend. There are going to be a lot of other vigils going on in the next couple of days and I am looking forward to going to those.
PINSKY: Is his family OK? Have you had communication with them?
BERNADO: Very limited communication. I am sure Christine is getting bombarded with messages and calls and everything on Facebook. I have
reached out to her. I am waiting for her to reach back out to me.
I have been in touch with Drew`s other friends and other people have been in touch with me asking for information when I hear. So, we are all just -
- we are all just grieving.
PINSKY: What was the last communication you had with him? And, do you remember the last thing you said?
BERNADO: I think I said I love you, I do not remember. He was at Seaworld. He and Wanda had just ridden Maco and he had sent me a Snapchat.
And I texted him, I was like "Seaworld!" And he was like, "Yes, thinking of you." And I think I told him I love him or xoxo or I cannot wait to see
you next week or something like that.
PINSKY: Thank you, Andrea. We will speak Drew`s name throughout the day today. I appreciate you joining us. Spirit, I am at a loss. You know?
And I know this is not the last time I am going to sit here feeling like this.
[19:40:00] So, the helplessness -- I am trying to overcome helplessness and hopelessness, let us face it. That is what a lot of us are feeling.
So, I am going to step forward and try not to feel that way. But when I do not feel that way, I start getting angry.
SPIRIT: And we are all angry, Dr. Drew. We are all confused. We are all hurting. We are all frustrated. It does not make sense and so we cannot
wrap our heads around something that clearly will never make sense.
In fact, I do not think that it should ever make sense. And that is why we have to continue to be vigilant. We have to continue to understand that we
are at a new time, Dr. Drew, when this is getting worse.
PINSKY: You know what? Listen, I said we crossed into a new world when that Adam Lanza walked into a first grade room and shot a bunch of kids. I
thought, that is it, we crossed over. And I still say that. We still crossover, but I feel like the disenfranchise young males that are flying
around here, there is three components to how they become a problem.
One is something called a cognitive opening. And it is mental health, let us face it. If you have somebody out there with any mental health issues,
get them help. Do not deny it. Stop it. If this family had gotten that help, this killer, in fifth grade when he was talking about killing people
and when the towers came down and he applauded that, that should have been somebody taken for help.
Two, they all have a grievance. The typical grievance today is the U.S. is at war with whom my country Islam or whatever. Confront that. And then
number three, purpose. We have got to give our young males purpose.
We have to give them something better than all these cults are offering them. Joining me from Orlando our Chris Hansen. He is a shooting
survivor. Chris, thank you for joining us. How are you doing?
CHRIS HANSEN, INSIDE NIGHTCLUB WHEN GUNMAN OPENED FIRE: I am doing OK. It is still really has not hit me yet. I know that I kind of laid down
yesterday and laid my head down and woke up in the same spot this afternoon. And my body was very weak and I saw my roommate when I walked
out. And I just hugged him and cried. It was like it was not a dream, was it? It was real.
PINSKY: What happened? What did you see?
HANSEN: Inside the bar?
PINSKY: Yes.
HANSEN: Well, I was about to take a sip of my beverage when I heard the bangs. It was like bang, bang. And when I looked over and noticed people
were falling and people were screaming and then they were yelling. There is blood spattering and glasses were breaking from the bar.
It was just -- it was a horrific scene to see and to hear gunshots go off like they were fire crackers. Like the group of bobcat that you just throw
in somebody`s mailboxes as a trick, it sounded like that, bang, bang. Bang, bang, bang, over and over again. It was terrifying.
PINSKY: Chris, you are wearing a medal right now. Tell me about that, can you?
HANSEN: I am. I just left with Governor Scott and he gave me a medal telling me that I was brave and thanked me for not fleeing and helping and
assisting people and wanted to let me know that he was grateful for my actions and everybody else and the bravery that was brought into this.
PINSKY: Can you hold it up for us --
HANSEN: OK.
PINSKY: So we can see what you got?
HANSEN: Yes. It is on a purple ribbon, because it represents pride, I imagine. I am not sure, but it is like a medal of honor.
PINSKY: Have you been able to talk to the people of whom you did help?
HANSEN: No, I have not.
PINSKY: You know --
HANSEN: I have not seen much of the news.
PINSKY: Yes. What do you want people to know? I want to give you a chance. What do you want us to know? We are feeling helpless. We are
angry. I am filled with all kinds of terrible emotions. What do you want us to know?
HANSEN: It is not that we need to feel angry. It is we need to feel blessed and supporting each other. There is no reason to lash out. It is
more of we need to fix an issue, a problem and the main issue is the gun control issue.
I am hoping that nobody can have access to anything like that ever again. An AR-15 is not even a plausible in officers hands. So to be able to go
and get a gun and to weapon of mass destruction and use it on somebody and just have a heyday of a good time that he call as good time that we do not.
Also as a gay man, I am not able to donate blood to the fallen victims. The banks may have extra, but as a gay man I would not be able to help my
fellow brothers and sisters who have fallen from this.
PINSKY: You would like to see that restriction lifted, yes?
[19:45:00] HANSEN: I would like to see that change. I really like to see that. If any person that is capable of donating to be able to donate, no
matter what their -- their feeling or emotion or their personal business is. What happens behind closed doors stays behind that.
PINSKY: Of course. And listen, I have to say good-bye to you. But I want to say our profound gratitude. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, man.
HANSEN: No worries.
PINSKY: We will be right back.
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LADY GAGA, RECORDING ARTIST: This is an attack on humanity, itself. This is an attack on everyone.
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[19:50:0] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: We want to try to keep the focus where we think it belongs, on the people whose lives were cut short. And
we are going to start tonight by honoring them.
There are more than a list of names. They are people who loved and were loved. There are people with families and friends and dreams. We think it
is important that you hear their names.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We love you. We are here for you. We are 100 percent behind you.
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PINSKY: Just a few of the vigils held worldwide to honor those killed and wounded in Orlando. I am back with Steve, Sara and Spirit. And, from
Orlando, HLN Senior Producer, Natisha Lance. Natisha, tell us what it was like to be at the vigil in Orlando last night.
NATISHA LANCE, HLN PRODUCER, (via phone): I would say being at the vigil was surreal. And Drew, you might be able to relate to this. When we have
these tragedies like this in the line of work that we do, we get in to these places and we are in work mode. We are doing our job and there is
not really time to tap into our emotions.
And for the first time since I have been in Orlando covering the story, at the vigil at the end of it, they rang a bell for each one of the victim`s
lives that was lost. And looking up and seeing all the candles that were lit was the first time that it sank in the gravity of what happened here in
Orlando.
And I shed tears. I was doing interviews with some people, who were out there who were using the vigil as an opportunity to not only grieve for
themselves but to have other people with them to grieve with other people feeling like that they have some support there.
And doing some of those interviews and hearing the touching words of some of these people who have lost friends, who have lost family members, I was
crying. I was moved to tears. And there is also this -- Orlando is not a really big town.
So I spoke to someone. I sad, "You know, did you know anyone who was involved in the shooting that took place at the club?" And he said, "I did
not know anyone directly, but because it is Orlando, you know someone who knows someone who was affected and because of that all of us are so deeply
affected by this."
PINSKY: Thanks, Natisha. Spirit, again, we cannot emphasize enough that this can go from an acute stress reaction to a post-traumatic stress
reaction. So you got to get support for this if you seen overwhelming images.
SPIRIT: That is right, Dr. Drew. And, that is not just for those who are there in Orlando. That is for everybody. If you are struggling with this,
if you are suffering from this, if it is affecting you, no matter what part of the country you are in, no matter what part of the world you are in,
seek out a professional to talk to because we are all affected by this.
PINSKY: We are going to continue. We will be right back.
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PATTY SHEEHAN, ORLANDO CITY COMMISSIONER: We, as a gay community, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender community are people who love. And if you
think that you are going to stab at the heart of us by doing this horrible violent act, you are not.
And you cannot get your message across by killing people. You are nothing but thugs and murderers, and we will show you that we are a better
community, a better America than this.
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PINSKY: Thank you to the police commissioner. And Sara, I, though, cannot keep thinking about justice. I mean how do you find justice? We are not
going to do it tonight. We have like a few seconds left. But I am angry.
AZARI: This is so despicable, Dr. Drew. It is beyond justice. Justice does not apply to this situation.
PINSKY: Wow.
AZARI: You know, I just do not -- I have been getting the chills throughout the show watching the victims, watching the people that helped
the victims and listening to you and Spirit, I really have no words.
PINSKY: Yes. And that is the way I feel, too. It is just that I feel overwhelmed. I feel angry. I have all kinds of horrible feelings.
AZARI: Absolutely.
PINSKY: But reach across and look other people in the eye and shake their hand. Look at their humanity, get to know their humanity. Every one of us
has an obligation to do that. As a memory, I will mention Drew`s name again as Andrea asked us to do.
Tonight, we are also joined our colleague, Anderson Cooper, in making the victims of this tragedy the focus of the story. So, we would like you to
see each of the 49 people we lost in Orlando. And also those who are recovering, we wish you good health and a rapid recovery. Good night.
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