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Erin Burnett Outfront
Black Widow 2.0 -- A Real Threat To Sochi Olympics?; Bombshell Report Today On Obamacare; Police: Hoffman Seen at ATM Before Death
Aired February 04, 2014 - 19:00 ET
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: Next, breaking news. Specific terror threats targeting the Olympics. The chairman of the house intelligence committee is OUTFRONT.
Plus a bombshell report says Obamacare could cost 2.5 million jobs. The headline has Republicans pouncing, Democrats running scared.
And new details about the final hours of Philip Seymour Hoffman's life, a man who talked to him just before he died joins us. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett.
And we begin OUTFRONT tonight with the breaking news. A top U.S. counterterrorism official tonight says there are quote "specific threats aimed at the Olympics which are just three days away." The U.S. tonight tracking the threats racing against time to stop any terrorist attacks. U.S. warships and airplanes are moving into final position ready to respond.
President Obama was briefed on the situation today. And his team says they are quote "taking all appropriate steps regarding the safety of Americans."
And joining me now is Congressman Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee. And thank you so much for taking the time.
Obviously, the director of the national counterterrorism center at the hearing today said quote "there are a number of specific threats when he it comes to terror attacks at the Olympics in Sochi." How worried with are you?
REP. MIKE ROGERS (R-MI), CHAIRMAN, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Well, I think the venues themselves will be OK. You know, the Russians have done a lot of guards, gates and guns to try to secure the venues and try to get a ring around the games. I'm very concerned by the sheer level of attention and effort not just from Chechens and folks in that region, but you know, outside of that region that have expressed an interest in actually having a violent act occur the games.
So, I'm very, very concerned. There's some lack of cooperation issues. They're not at 100 percent. They should be when it comes to people's lives at the games. We know it's a high threat environment. BURNETT: So, you have just raised a few points. But when you say from outside the region, obviously, you know outside the Chechens, Dagestan area, are you talking about Al Qaeda? I mean, what other threats do you have?
ROGERS: Well, there are Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda affiliates and we believe other groups that fit the terrorist profile that have expressed an interest at least in aspiration of trying to do something at the games.
So all of that is concern, and it just kind of ups the opportunities for a mistake to be made if somebody were to slip through one of the cracks in what is a fairly robust guards, gates and gun security plan. But remember, the best security you can have is that combined with fully robust inner cooperative intelligence. And that last piece is missing.
BURNETT: you know, we're also hearing, you know, anecdotes about look, I mean, there's construction that isn't finished. There are thousands of people coming and going from that ring of steel and that Olympic village every single hour of every single day. Every single one of those people raises a small, small chance of something nefarious going on. Are you sure that that inside ring at the games themselves is really secure?
ROGERS: Well, you can't say 100 percent. I will tell you the physical presence is huge. The deter presence is incredibly large. And it's not -- I want you to understand, it's not like the Russians are saying hey, we're not really going to try at this. They're trying at this. They're just not fully sharing.
Because of the high level of threat outside of even the venues, you know, I am very, very concerned about it. And yes, every time that you have to be right 100 percent of the time and you know you're in this kind of a high threat environment, that is a -- that just means that there is a high degree that something could go wrong. Yes, someone could get in, something bad could happen.
I do believe that their posture around the venues themselves is pretty high. And I would argue that that's probably not going to be the target set that the terrorists would choose. They're going to choose what in their mind what is a softer target set, meaning you know, there's a way for them to circumvent security at least long enough.
BURNETT: Like a hotel or something outside the ring where civilians could be? OK.
ROGERS: Yes.
BURNETT: We've been reporting on the so-called black widows in Russia, female suicide bombers who want to die, who embrace that. How big a threat are the back widows to the Olympics?
ROGERS: Well, extremely. And I'll tell you why. I mean, the very recent bombing in Russia was someone who fit that description. And so, you have -- I mean, it just ramps up the game. So they tend to be younger. They are clearly committed. You know, being a womb helps in some cases on the security front.
And so, it poses a very real danger when it comes to finding one of those security gaps that they are going to probe for and look for. And again, they're not looking to blow up the entire venue event. They're looking for small but impactful murderous events so that they can impact the dialogue of the games and the narrative of the games. That's what their goal is. That's what their stated goal is. And that's what these other groups have aspired to participate. That's why those of us including me as chairman of the intelligence committee is so concerned about outside of the venues. Again, I think the venues are pretty good. I think outside the venues, lots of questions.
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BURNETT: All right, Chairman, thank you very much. Appreciate you taking the time.
ROGERS: Thanks, Erin. Welcome back.
BURNETT: Thank you.
Well, as Chairman Rogers just said black widows are a huge threat to this week's Olympic games. And we're talking about women like the ones we are going to show you here. Black widows are female suicide bombers traditionally women seeking revenge for the death of their husbands. But, that's change. Now there's a whole new group of black widows what terror experts are telling us are black widows 2.0.
We sent our Nick Paton Walsh to report in Sochi.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Medina Alyiva (ph) blew herself up in May last year near the police headquarters in Dagestan, injuring more than a dozen ending her embrace of radicalism. She wanted to die the way both of her husbands has in jihad.
This is jihad, the highest thing in the world, she said in this video before she died. Both her husbands were killed by special forces in sieges like this, the first when she was just 21. In a similar siege, her second husband and several other militants were also shot dead. Here she is filmed by police coming out of the house.
Medina (ph) experts worry is part of a new kind of so-called black widow female suicide bomber in Russia who don't, like in the past, decide to die out of grief and vengeance for a loved one. In what some experts are calling black widow 2.0, these women in the past few years, marry Jihadist and seek martyrdom on their own as it seems fashionable.
KATYA SOKIRIANSKAIA, INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP: It is a trend. They have their own slang. I have seen these women after their husbands were killed and there were funerals and they don't mourn them. They congratulate each other. WALSH: Medina's mother in her first interview with Medina's sister and orphan by her side says police had ordered her daughter to see a psychologist and three days before she died, Medina vanished.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): She's probably in heaven. I saw her in my sleep. She told me how great it was there.
WALSH: Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Sochi.
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BURNETT: Well, OUTFRONT next, President Obama on defense again. A government report today says Obamacare could cost 2.5 million jobs.
Plus, Woody Allen responds to allegations he sexually abused Mia Farrow's daughter. His lawyer, OUTFRONT tonight.
And for the first time, we hear from the man who said he spent 13 months lost at sea. How he says he survived drifting through the Pacific Ocean.
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BURNETT: Bombshell report today on Obamacare. According to the nonpartisan congressional budget office, the president's signature health care law could reduce the labor force by the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs, 2.5 million jobs. They say it's the equivalent of a 159 percent tax paid by each worker. Republicans immediately pounced.
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SEN. JOHN BARRASSO (R), WYOMING: The CBO report today devastating two million fewer jobs as a rut of the Obama health care law.
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BURNETT: But Democrats are crying foul.
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SEN. HARRY REID (D-NY), MAJORITY LEADER: Republicans talk about losing millions of jobs simply isn't true.
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BURNETT: All right. Here's the question, how damaging is this report to the president?
I want to bring in political commentator Paul Begala and the editor of "the Weekly Standard" Bill Kristol. Two perfect people to talk about this. I love it when one side says the other is stupid and the other says the same things. It is perfect.
Now Paul, Republicans are jumping all over it. National Republican congressional committee quickly tweeted the CBO just reported #Obamacare will push 2.5 million Americans out of the workforce. This is a pretty damning report when you look at it. It is, as the CBO says, an average tax of 15 percent per worker.
PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: What? Please, it's not a damning report. Now, Republicans aren't stupid. They're really smart. They're just less than fully honest about this shall I say.
The report is great. It says a trillion dollar reduction in the def debt, a trillion dollars. All my Republican friends have been squealing about the debt like a pig stuck under a gate. This makes a huge down payment on the Bush debt.
Second, it doesn't say that jobs would be lost. It doesn't. It says people will freely choose perhaps to retire early. Maybe, they have chronic back problem. They can't keep working. They'll be free, rather, to retire early before they get Medicare because now they'll have health care or maybe new parents, new moms and dad, I'm thrilled you're back. But a whole lot of new parents may well choose now that they have health care to stay home with their kids. And that was a good thing. This is called freedom. And it's a really -- some of the coverage on this has been deceptive.
BURNETT: All right. So Bill Kristol, and as Paul points out, the report doesn't say employers are cutting jobs. It does say people will choose to work less because they're going to choose to get the subsidies instead of working. So, OK. Is that all right? Killing jobs is a fair characterization or not?
That's great. We can just give everyone subsidies and no one would have a job and then Paul would think that's wonderful, you know. Everyone gets to retire. No one works. I thought there was a serious problem with unemployment in this country. And it turns out Obamacare is contributing to it already and more in the future.
Look, Obamacare is a wonderful liberal social program. If you like your insurance, you lose it. If you like your doctor are, you lose her. And now, if you like your job, you lose it. It's like a perfect example of liberal's big government social engineering. It will be studied for decades in public policy schools as the example of the failure of liberal public policy. The only problem is, unfortunately, it's hurting the country now. so, we are going to repeal it as soon as possible.
BURNETT: I mean, Paul, it does seem -- I understand your point. By the way, about the deficit reduction, that's a serious point, all right? But in terms of the jobs, is it really a good thing? You made some points. But is it really a good thing if people, because of subsidies, choose not to work? Is that really what you want to encourage?
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BEGALA: Not because of subsidies -- not because of subsidies, because of values. They have a new baby, they want to care for it. They have a sick mom, they want to care for. They have a bad back, they're now free to retire.
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BURNETT: But, certainly, there will be some people who just choose to because of the math, won't there?
BEGALA: No, they will choose to because of their values. Values always trump economics in people's real lives.
And I will point out, by the way, 8.1 million private sector jobs created by this economy since Obamacare passed, the most robust period of job growth that we have had since, frankly, my old boss Bill Clinton was in the White House, and 80 to 95 percent of those jobs full-time. There's a big thing, oh, it's going to push people out of full-time work. It hasn't.
You have got 85 to 95 percent of the new jobs created have been full- time jobs. So, this thing has been a huge winner actually. And I hope Democrats will kind of get off defense and play offense.
BURNETT: Bill, what about the point that he's trying to say, though, values trump economics? Do you buy that, or are some people going to say, hey, look, if I'm going to have a subsidy, I'm not going to have a job and go ahead and jump on the system?
KRISTOL: Look, I do think values trump economics. And I think one value we believe in here in America is freedom. And people should be free to have the insurance they want, which Obamacare does not permit them to do.
And if you disincentivize hiring, if you disincentivize employment, you will get less of it. And long-term unemployment is a big problem in this economy. And the president has complained a lot about it. It's his policies that are helping to cause it.
BURNETT: All right, let me ask you, Paul, this isn't the president's only clash with the right this week. People like Bill Kristol are getting to him. Here's part of the president's conversation with Bill O'Reilly on Sunday when O'Reilly asked about a topic the president hates. I'm not talking about Benghazi. I'm talking about the IRS.
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BILL O'REILLY, HOST, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": We still don't know what happened there.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Bill, we do. That's not what happened.
Folks have again had multiple hearings on this. I mean, these kinds of things keep on surfacing, in part because you and your TV station will promote them. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: And then, Paul, the president went on to call O'Reilly unfair. He told "The New Yorker" recently he's had trouble persuading the Republican base he's not the caricature that you see on FOX News.
Is he giving FOX too much credit? Is he focusing on them, giving them too much power, frankly, by the president of the free world keeping talking about them?
BEGALA: That's a fair point. But he was in a conversation with Mr. O'Reilly. I suspect if you were interviewing him, he, I would hope, would not have gone out of his way to mention that.
I don't know if any of our viewers has ever seen it, but FOX News, it's this comedy channel that pretends to be news. It's hilarious.
BURNETT: I'm sure none of them have ever seen it.
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BEGALA: It's not on the level.
And I love that.
KRISTOL: Paul...
BEGALA: Let me give you a fair point here. On the IRS, for example, how much did FOX cover the fact that the same inspector general who originally said Tea Party groups were being targeted, which, if true, is reprehensible, also reported that progressive groups were targeted?
FOX didn't cover that part.
BURNETT: Bill, you used to work for FOX.
KRISTOL: I did. It was fair, balanced, unafraid. They report.
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KRISTOL: They report. You decide. I guess the president has some problems with it.
The president thinks everyone should be somewhere between -- CNN is sort of -- he's OK with a balanced network. But most networks should be like MSNBC. All the news should come out of a 10-square-block radius in Manhattan which is dominated by liberals on the Upper West Side and the Upper East Side.
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BEGALA: Where FOX is located.
KRISTOL: God forbid -- God forbid that there should ever be another point of view. I think that is the president's view.
But I do think he's probably giving FOX too much credit, honestly, but I'm sure FOX is happy to take it.
BURNETT: Well, that's probably true. And, of course, when you get someone who is on the right of things in the White House, I'm sure they will say exactly the opposite.
All right.
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KRISTOL: Well, actually, to be fair, George W. Bush did not complain actually about the media, to his credit.
BEGALA: Not about FOX.
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KRISTOL: No, about the media at all.
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KRISTOL: President Obama is surprisingly thin-skinned, for the president of the United States.
BURNETT: All right, we will leave it there. You left Paul speechless. I will give you credit for that.
Gentlemen...
BEGALA: No. I just didn't want to interrupt. But I thought the president did a good job of standing up for the truth against a propaganda machine.
BURNETT: Thanks to both.
And we will look forward to having them back.
Still to come: new developments in the Philip Seymour Hoffman investigation. Just a couple of weeks before his death, Hoffman told our guest, "I'm a heroin addict." That haunting story is OUTFRONT.
Plus, Google under fire. Protesters say Google is waging class warfare. We have a special report.
And who actually won the Super Bowl? Well, no, no, not a Hawk. Someone who didn't even play in the game. Bruno Mars. Hang on.
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BURNETT: Tonight, a case of class warfare pitting Google against the city of San Francisco, with residents protesting Google commuters.
Specifically, I'm talking about these new shuttle buses that transport Google workers from the city of San Francisco to Google's offices, which are out in the suburbs in Silicon Valley. But should they be protesting?
Well, that brings us to tonight's number, which is 20,000, the number of metric tons of CO2 saved every year because of Google's Bay Area shuttles, because, otherwise, the people would, I don't know, they could drive, they could do other kinds of things to get out there.
So, Google is saving the environment, but the protests say it's still bad, Google taking 4,000 cars off of the road every day. Why are San Francisco residents so angry about the shuttles? Why do they say it's class warfare of the rich against the poor?
Dan Simon has the story.
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UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTERS: San Francisco, not for sale!
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A bus stop in San Francisco swarmed by protesters, these people angry at what they see as growing income inequality in the city.
But to understand the issue, you need to check things out on a regular day. So we did. It's 9:00 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. And these Google employees are headed to work. Same goes for these Apple employees, Facebook employees, Genentech employees, and LinkedIn employees, all hopping on company-provided shuttles to make the hour- long commute from San Francisco to Silicon Valley, some 17,000 workers going back and forth each day.
LINDSAY NORMAN, LINKEDIN EMPLOYEE: Without the shuttle, it would be a huge hassle. I don't know if I would have taken the job without that additional perk, because, for me, I don't have a car in the city.
SIMON: Like many young people in the tech world, Lindsay Norman chooses to live in the city, instead of closer to work. And that simple fact is where the frustration begins for many other San Francisco residents.
(on camera): The biggest problem, they say, is that young well-paid tech workers are taking up a disproportionate share of housing and driving up already astronomical real estate prices. Rent increases in San Francisco are outpacing the nation more than threefold. The average price of an apartment here is more than $3,000 a month.
REBECCA GOUREVITCH, PROTESTER: It's very sad to see people being forced out of their homes where they have lived in for decades.
OLIVER BURGELMAN, REAL ESTATE AGENT: This is just a symptom of a larger change.
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A lot of people are moving to the city. And people want to live here.
SIMON (voice-over): So these buses have become a target of what critics say is the gentrification of San Francisco. (on camera): Do the protesters have a point?
DAVID CHIU, PRESIDENT, SAN FRANCISCO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Well, fairly or unfairly, these commuter buss have become a symbol of inequality, a symbol of our affordability crisis. And these are very real phenomenon that many San Franciscans and many Americans around the country are really experiencing
SIMON (voice-over): But some city leaders say the anger is misguided, pointing out the buses take thousands of cars off the road every day and the tech industry's positive ripple throughout the economy.
CHIU: And for every one technology and innovation job we have had, we have had three or four other jobs in other sectors, whether it be hotel and restaurant workers or tourism or retail, that have been helping our economy. And that is a good thing.
SIMON: But for those squeezed out of housing, it's a tough sell. And for them, this has become a new way to voice anger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And mom and pops are gone.
SIMON: Dan Simon, CNN, San Francisco.
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BURNETT: And that brings to us tonight's "Out Take."
The Google barge is in hot water. This mysterious four-story structure has run aground and afoul of officials in San Francisco, after it was determined Google doesn't have the proper permits for that structure in San Francisco Bay. It's huge. It's four stories. I mean, it's a massive, massive structure.
It appears it never dawned on anyone to check and see if it was actually legal to build a four-story huge barge in the middle of the bay. And, for now, construction has been halted. The executive director of the development commission says it will have to move.
Today, Google sent OUTFRONT in statement: "We just received the letter from the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission. And we are reviewing it."
Now, you would have thought they would have looked up permit protocol before they received such a letter. But how? I mean, God, if only there were some sort of giant search engine available where you could enter a question and sift through responses, sort of a modern-day Ask Jeeves?
Yes, it does seem the company's legal department didn't bother to try searching for San Francisco Bay permits on its own Web site, Google. If they had, they would have seen the very first result was for the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission, which offers all the information you would ever need to know about permits and fees. Of course, that's just Google. Maybe that was the problem. There are other search engines available to Google's lawyers. That's why we also tried the same search on Bing. And probably not all that surprising, all of Bing's first page results were about the Google controversy.
Still to come, new developments in the Governor Christie bridge scandal, why the governor's reelection campaign is getting an extension to respond to subpoenas.
Plus, what we're learning about the final hours of Philip Seymour Hoffman's life. A man who spoke to him just before his death is OUTFRONT.
And a lifesaving drug for someone who overdoses on heroin. Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us next with the incredible video of how this drug actually works.
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BURNETT: Welcome back to second half of OUTFRONT.
New developments in the so-called bridgegate scandal plaguing Chris Christie's administration. CNN has learned his reelection campaign has been given an extension until February 24th to produce documents subpoenaed by a committee investigating the scandal.
We're also hearing four Port Authority officials have submitted to documents under subpoena. This comes a day after Christie appeared on a radio show saying again he knew nothing about the bridge lane closures he said before they happened.
The chief financial officer of it Target was on Capitol Hill today, facing the heat on the hack that affected 70 million Americans. If you're one of them which you probably are, the retailer says they're deeply sorry. That, of course, is little consolation but Target said it's investing $100 million to upgrade its credit card system.
Target is looking at an advanced chip based credit card technology that's supposed to be safer than cards with magnetic strips. It would be interesting to see if the fraud here if anyone that is a victim of it actually is able to test in the courts if target is liable.
We all know the Seattle Seahawks meantime won the Super Bowl. They weren't alone, though, because Grammy winning singer Bruno Mars scored big-time on the brink of returning to the charts after his half time performance. In the two days since, sales of his latest album "Unorthodox Jukebox" are up 164 percent. Impressive for an album released nearly 14 months ago.
On average, songs played during the Super Bowl halftime show see an increase in sales of 555 percent in the week after the game. So, I guess by that measure, Bruno Mars is underperforming. We'll see how the next few days go. But it's pretty amazing we have 100 million viewers of what you can get.
Well, we have new details on the final hours of Phillip Seymour Hoffman's life. According to investigators, a witness saw the Oscar winner withdrawing money and talking with two men who were wearing messenger bags the night before he was found dead from a suspected drug overdose. We say "suspected" because the formal toxicology report doesn't come out until tomorrow. Police are searching tonight for anyone who could be linked to the drugs that may have killed Hoffman. He was found in his apartment, as you know, Sunday with a needle in his arm.
Jason Carroll is OUTFRONT with the latest.
I know, Jason, you've been covering this. And what more are you learning, those final hours in his life are going to be so important.
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Very important. There's still a lot of questions in terms of why he relapsed and obviously, who allegedly sold him these drugs. That's what investigators are focusing on. They're focusing on doing that by what, by first, interviewing and questioning those who knew Hoffman best. They have spoken to his former partner, the mother of his three children. They've also spoken to his former personal assistant.
But also as you mentioned there at the top, they're looking at what happened at this ATM on Saturday night carefully. Apparently, it was about 8:00, a witness told investigators he saw Hoffman go to this ATM and investigators now say that he withdrew $1,200 six different transactions in order to get that money out Saturday night.
So, obviously, investigators are going to be looking at the situation, looking at the two men to see if they had any sort of connection with what ultimately happened to Hoffman. And obviously, as you know, we've been watching all of the Twitters, 2003s coming in from people who knew him, a lot of actors weighing in.
Just a little while ago, George Clooney at a premier tonight right here in New York, he knew Hoffman and he talked about what this death has done, what it has meant for him and what it has meant for the acting community. Take a listen.
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GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: He was a friend and you know, had dinner with him a couple months ago.
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I have to say he seemed pretty good shape and it's -- there's no way to explain it. There's no way to understand it. It's just -- strangely that the entertainment community acting, film making community, theater group is a really tight group. He was in an important part of all of that, and him not being here is really difficult to understand.
(END VIDEO CLIP) CARROLL: Again, as you know, Hoffman leaves behind three young children. We were just told a little while ago about funeral services. There's going to be most likely a private funeral service for family only expected this Friday right here in New York.
BURNETT: All right. Well, Jason, thank you very much. And the toxicology report is tomorrow, and a lot more questions. You know, why did he do it in six transactions? A lot of this is going to be a part as they try to piece together what happened and who else might it be involved or how liable because as investigators continue investigating the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman, his lifelong partner Mimi O'Donnell and his assistant were seen coming from a funeral home today. They're there trying to make a preparation for his final resting.
And we're learning more tonight what Hoffman was doing in the months before he died, not just the minutes but those last crucial few weeks.
John Arundel is the associate publisher of "Washington Life Magazine". He ran into Hoffman at the Sundance Film Festival a couple weeks ago.
And, John, you know a very poignant interaction with him. Just tell me about the encounter you had with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
JOHN ARUNDEL, WASHINGTON LIFE MAGAZINE: It was the most bizarre encounter I've had with any celebrity I've interviewed and I've interviewed quite a few. And I had I met him actually at Cannes and at that film festival, and also meet him at Sundance two years ago. He was always us ebullient. He was always upbeat. He was always a very likable guy. You could always ask a great question and he would answer it with a funny grin on his face.
And we sort of all loved him. But there was a buzz going on this time around at the film festival. He wasn't quite right. And none of us could really put our finger on it other than the fact that he just was sort of rambling with his answers and such.
And then I bumped into him at one of the late night parties in Sundance. And I didn't even know who he was. You know, and I met him several times before. He certainly didn't know who I was.
But he had a floppy hat on and he looked a little disheveled. He hasn't shaved. And I said, what's your name? He said, you don't know who I am. And I said, no, what do you do?
And he said, I'm a heroin addict. And then he took off his cap. And looked me straight in the eyes and I said, oh, you're Philip Seymour Hoffman. And he said, bingo.
And at that point, he sort of trailed off. As he was walking off, he said, well, I just got out of rehab.
BURNETT: Wow. I mean, it's amazing he would have said that and identified that you had that moment. I want to add Shelly Sprague into the conversation, as well here, John, before I ask you another question because I want her to react to what you just said.
Shelly, you're a certified addiction specialist at the Pasadena Recovery Center. What do you make of this interaction John is talking about what Philip Seymour Hoffman said to him? He said, you don't know who I am? And he said, what's your name? I'm a heroin addict.
SHELLY SPRAGUE: Well, he was obviously intoxicated and he was obviously not functioning well because he was probably on heroin at the time. And in addition to drinking, you know, there's no telling what your behavior will become like.
And that sounds consistent with the ability for somebody to be under the influence and maybe reaching out or maybe just, you know, accidentally putting it out there. But I'm sure it was a very bizarre experience because that's how this works, is that you can't really understand what they're taking because have you no frame of reference for heroin addiction generally speaking and so these people are on heroin and you don't really know what's wrong, but you know something's off.
BURNETT: And, John, how did you look to you? You're saying that the word was going around he wasn't quite right. You talk about a floppy hat. But how did he look physically?
ARUNDEL: Well, he just looked pale and he looked disheveled. And he looked like he hasn't slept. As a matter of fact, I was with somebody from DreamWorks who was telling me he was on the flight with him from LAX at 5:30 in the morning and said he didn't look like had he slept and that he was up in the first class section pounding away on Bloody Marys.
But, you know, I was also was people who will very normal interactions with him during the Sundance Festival and at the Sundance Collective where they shot perhaps the last portrait of Philip Seymour Hoffman. It was a very brooding shot.
And you know, the gentleman that spent an hour with him told me that he talked enthusiastically about "Hunger Games" and the shooting of that in Georgia, and how excited he was about the shooting of "Hunger Games 2" that's now coming up.
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BURNETT: Yes.
ARUNDEL: So, varied reactions.
BURNETT: All right. Varied reaction. It shows how he was struggling. There were moments of lucidity and moments where things were so dark. Thanks very much to both of you.
I appreciate your taking the time. And, John, to you for sharing that story. Two weeks ago, we spoke to Governor Peter Shumlin about the alarming use of heroin in the state of Vermont. He actually devoted his entire State of the State Address to that problem.
Today, Senator Harry Reid called Vermont's governor a visionary. Consider this, between 2000 and 2010, heroin overdose deaths have increased by 55 percent. It's a national crisis. Law enforcement and people trying to fight addiction are pushing for greater access to a drug called Naloxone, a drug that can actually reverse a heroin overdose.
CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta has obtained remarkable video of this drug in action.
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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): What you're looking at is pretty shocking: a heroin addict overdosing. Her name is Liz. She's been using drugs since she was 11. Today, she's 29.
Adam Wigglesworth and Louise Vincent were both with her that night in August. They both volunteer with a program in Greensboro, North Carolina, that provides clean needles and other assistance to addicts.
ADAM WIGGLESWORTH, SAVED FRIEND WITH NALOXONE: She seemed to be pretty unresponsive and we were noticing blueing of the lips, lack of oxygen and her breathing became quite shallow.
LOUISE VINCENT, SAVED FRIEND WITH NALOXONE: Well, once someone's not breathing and they're responding to any sort of stimulus, you give them breath, and at that time, I usually administer Naloxone.
GUPTA: Now, watch what happens next.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We gave her about 60 units of Narcan.
GUPTA: Narcan, also known as Naloxone, can reverse an overdose from heroin and other drugs like Oxycodone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Liz?
GUPTA: Another sternal rub, another shot of Narcan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) give her some more Narcan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give her the rest of this whole CC.
GUPTA: And, finally, Liz begins to come to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Liz? You OK? You went out. We're giving you mouth to mouth resuscitation. We're giving you some Narcan. You overdosed.
Can you sit up?
LIZ, HEROIN ADDICT REVIVED BY NALOXONE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, come on. You want a glass of water?
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GUPTA: I can tell you, I got a chance to meet Liz you're looking at there. She's doing very well today. This drug Naloxone has been something that's been used for years in emergency rooms but the push now is to get it in the hands of first line responders, EMTs and also potentially people who use heroin themselves.
It's controversial in some areas but as you might imagine, you saw there, it can be -- it can potentially really rescue someone from an overdose. The goal is to call 911 first and then possibly give this medication, Erin.
BURNETT: So, Sanjay, when we talk about the in the case of Philip Seymour Hoffman as an example -- and I know we don't have the toxicology, we don't have the full details. So, you're not able to give a medical point of view for sure, but the question for this drug is, could it work on any overdose? Could it have saved alive like his?
GUPTA: Well, this works on some specific types of drug overdoses, but heroin is one of those types of drugs. Typically you think of narcotics, morphine, Fentanyl, these things that are sort of these high dose pain types of medications. But heroin false in that same category, as well.
We don't know, Erin, to your point because we don't know the full toxicology report. There have been cases where heroin had been laced, if you will, with Fentanyl, which is another pain medication that works very, very quickly.
But there's an important point here, Erin, and that is that is someone would have needed to be there. You need to have somebody else there to give the medication.
BURNETT: Right.
GUPTA: This is what the kit looks like right here, a couple of vials, syringes. And, again, it comes with instructions. But the goal is to get these into the hands of people who might potential benefit from them.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
GUPTA: You got it, Erin. Thank you.
BURNETT: And still to come, new details about the sexual abuse allegations against Woody Allen. His lawyer is OUTFRONT live next.
And it's like something out of the movie tonight -- the man who claims he was lost at sea for 13 months, explains how he says he stayed alive.
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BURNETT: Mia Farrow comes to her daughter's defense. The actress pushing back against claims that she brainwashed her daughter Dylan into believing she had been sexually abused by his stepfather Woody Allen. Dylan alleges that Woody Allen abused her when she was 7 nearly 20 years ago.
Farrow tweeted this morning, quote, "I love my daughter. I will always protect her. A lot of ugliness is going to be aimed at me, but this is not about me. It's about her truth."
Woody Allen's lawyer, Elkan Abramowitz, is OUTFRONT.
And, Elkan, thank you very much for coming OUTFRONT. What is your response to what Mia Farrow is saying today?
ELKAN ABRAMOWITZ, WOODY ALLEN'S LAWYER: My response to Mia Farrow today is that the Yale New Haven experts, the sex abuse clinic that the authorities sent the case to, investigated the matter totally for six months, and determined that Mia Farrow coached Dylan and that Dylan was having difficulty with distinguishing fantasy and reality. They also concluded it did not happen, that the molestation did not happen.
That is -- should be the end of it, and the fact that it's coming up now 20 years later is remarkable because the matter was resolved. The molestation matter was resolved by the authorities 20 years ago.
BURNETT: Now, I know obviously it's coming up when he's up for awards and a lot of people are talking about the timing. But there are some questions about the study that you mentioned, the Yale New Haven study.
Let me ask you about, because they looked back into it until 1993 and, as you said, concluded that Dylan had not been abused. But a Connecticut magazine investigative reporter looked into that study later and wrote, I want to quote it and get your response.
"The Yale team used psychologists on Allen's payroll to make mental health conclusions," basically saying that some of the psychologists that worked on the study that exonerated Allen had also treated him.
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ABRAMOWITZ: They did not work on it. They were interviewed as were Mia Farrow's psychologist and psychiatrist as was Dylan's psychiatrist. Everybody involved in that family dynamic was interviewed. Woody took a lie detector test and passed a lie detector test.
Mia did not take a lie detector test. Everything that could be done to disprove those charges was done in an objective way. This was not Woody Allen's group. This was the Connecticut's group, law enforcement people relied on what the Yale New Haven committee was doing.
BURNETT: Of course, I will just note for the record the New York custody judge said he wasn't convinced that the evidence completely exonerated him. Not everybody supported the results of that study.
ABRAMOWITZ: Well, the custody decisions were based on different factors which had a lot to do with the family dynamic that had nothing to do with the molestation. That's a whole separate issue. We obviously disagreed with the judge. We felt that because Mia Farrow had it was determined coached Dylan, she was an unfit mother.
That's why we tried to get custody. He disagreed with that.
BURNETT: So, Dr. Jeff Gardere is a clinical psychologist, comes in the show a lot. So, I asked him about this. He quotes what he thought was important to talk about, because this is -- when I hear people talk this on the street or in conversation at the Super Bowl, this is what they bring up, and he quotes, "Behavior like this doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's not inconceivable a person who would marry the daughter of his girlfriend could also be called into questions for possibly violating other family boundaries in that same family."
Obviously, referring to the fact that Woody Allen had an affair with a 19-year-old daughter of Mia Farrow.
People say, gosh, if he could do that he could do this.
ABRAMOWITZ: But that's absolutely incredible. There's no connection between marrying a 19-year-old. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19. That's not the same thing. No one is accusing Frank Sinatra of being a child molester and no one is accusing Mia Farrow of being a child molester.
This was a relationship that was sanctioned by law when they were permitted to marry. They married, they have married for 17 years, they have two teenage children. The fact that people think that she was his daughter is just not true.
BURNETT: He never formally adopted her.
ABRAMOWITZ: No. She was Andre Previn's daughter, period. There's no denying that.
BURNETT: But he was with her mother, right, in a sexual relationship.
ABRAMOWITZ: Yes.
BURNETT: I mean, so you could see where people could get that concern.
ABRAMOWITZ: I don't see the relationship between that, having a relationship with a 19-year-old takes you to very dramatically serious charge that he molested a 7-year-old. I don't see the connection, I'm sorry.
BURNETT: Well, Elkan, thank you -- ABRAMOWITZ: Nor did the Yale New Haven Group.
BURNETT: Fair point.
All right. Well, thank you very much, Elkan. We appreciate your taking the time to join us tonight.
And still to come, how a man says he stayed alive while lost at sea for more than a year. Jeanne Moos is next.
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BURNETT: Is it a real-life version of "Castaway"? That's what the world is trying to figure after a man claims he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, living on nothing but fish, birds and turtles. Some are casting doubt of the castaway story. Here's Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After 13 months adrift without a water supply, the apparent castaway was back on land holding a Coke. He spoke through a Spanish translator as if he were talking to aliens, using gesture after gesture to describe dreaming about food and contemplating suicide because he was so hungry.
What were the foods he craved most?
JOSE SALVADOR ALVARENGA, CASTAWAY: Tortilla. Huevo.
TRANSLATOR: Tortilla. Eggs.
ALVARENGA: Pollo.
TRANSLATOR: Chicken.
ALVARENGA: Agua.
TRANSLATOR: Water.
MOOS: He seemed mentally shaken and exhausted but when a light started to fall. He was quick to react. No one asked whether he talked to anything the way Tom Hanks talked to his volleyball, Wilson.
TOM HANKS, ACTOR: We might just make it. Did that thought ever cross your brain?
MOOS: When the real castaway, Jose Salvador Alvarenga, left Mexico on a one-day fishing trip he was with a teenage fisherman. After their boat was blown off course, Alvarenga says his companion refused to continue eating raw food and eventually died. Throughout what would be a 5,700-mile journey, Alvarenga says he survived on fish, birds and turtles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did he catch a turtle? MOOS: Well, it wasn't exactly like when the flying fish dropped from the skies in "The Life of Pi."
Alvarenga says the turtles did come banging against the boat, so that all he had to do was grab them.
Skeptics abound. Tweeting out, "That's one chubby castaway. And looks like he's been scoffing turtle burgers and chips."
(on camera): Doctors say he seems to have liver problems and edema, swelling, which could make him appear bloated.
(voice-over): The hardest part he said was during long periods without rain when he had to resort to drinking his own bodily fluids.
ALVARENGA: Urine.
MOOS: He finally washed up on a coral island among the Marshall Islands. He was stark naked when he yell to two residents. The BBC quotes witnesses as saying his boat was covered in sea animals with a dead turtle and fish remains inside.
During the interview, he kept touching his long hair. It wasn't long until the Marshall Islands immigration chief treated him to a haircut and a shave. All that hair like a bad memory cast away.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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BURNETT: It is kind of amazing. So, what do you think? Do you think it's all real or not? If it is it's a pretty incredible story. Well- fed castaway?
All right. Well, tomorrow on OUTFRONT, we're going to continue to follow the latest on Philip Seymour Hoffman's death. Plus, what was it like for Hoffman when he was in rehab. We have a very special report.
We're going to go inside one of the most elite and expensive drug treatment centers in the United States. It's pretty incredible access. And you're not going to believe exactly how these people get treated for the rich and celebrity famous.
That's tomorrow, OUTFRONT.
Meantime, Anderson starts now.
