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Erin Burnett Outfront

State County Police Taking Over Protest Security Now; Manhunt is on For Ferguson Police Shooter; Iran Criticizes GOP Letter on Nuclear Talks; Official: No Damage in Secret Service Crash

Aired March 12, 2015 - 19:00   ET

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news. The Ferguson Police Department told to stand aside relieved of command during protests as manhunt is on for the gunman who ambushed two officers last night.

Plus, more breaking news. Those secret service agents who drove their car into a White House barrier, were they drunk when they barged onto an active crime scene.

And dramatic new video from the Boston bombing trial capturing the moment that a carjacking victim escaped from the Tsarnaeve brothers and ruined their escape. Let's go OUTFRONT.

Good evening, I'm Brianna Keilar in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, we have breaking news. At this hour St. Louis County Police along with Missouri Highway Patrol officers will assume command of the security detail for Ferguson protests. Ferguson police will remain responsible for routine policing services in the city but will no longer take the lead during demonstrations and protests. This coming less than 24 hours after two officers were shot and wounded in Ferguson.

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The two officers were shot as they stood guard in front of the Ferguson police station at the end of the night of mostly peaceful protests.

CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: When they heard the shots and when they heard the bullets singing past that they saw muzzle flashes. But these muzzle flashes were probably about 125 yards away. Many officers drew their weapons but no officers fired.

KEILAR: Both officers survived with nonlife threatening injuries. Late today Attorney General Eric Holder called the crime a heinous attack and tonight a manhunt for the shooter or shooters is on. The head of St. Louis County police saying that several people have been very forthright with investigators.

Sara Sidner has been covering this story from the start. And tonight, she's OUTFRONT again in Ferguson, Missouri. Sara, tell us what the latest in these investigation as officers are looking for the shooter. SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Brianna, manhunt still

underway right now. We do know that there has been three people who have brought in for questioning. We also know that the two officers, one who was hit in the shoulder. The other who was hit below the right eye, the bullet still lodge in his head, they have both been able to leave the hospital just 12 hours after they were shot.

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UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Acknowledgement nine months ago would kept that from happening.

SIDNER (voice-over): It was just after midnight, three or four shots rang out.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: A cop got shot.

SIDNER: Two officers down. Outside the Ferguson Police Station, police drew their weapons. Many crouching down but officials say they did not return fire. Police believe the officers were targeted.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We're lucky by God's grace we didn't lose two officers last night. This was really an ambush.

SIDNER: Police estimate the shots came from 125 yards away just across the street. Some witnesses saw muzzle flashes. The weapon believed to be a handgun. Shell casings had been recovered.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Bullets were really right past my head. It was kind of traumatic. I'm still kind of a shock because of it.

SIDNER: The officers who were shot were standing side by side according to police. There were about 75 protesters and 40 officers still on the scene at the time as the night's protests were winding down.

BELMAR: I didn't really expect the amount of agitation at times that we saw last night out of the crowd based on the news that happened yesterday.

SIDNER: That news that Ferguson's Police Chief Thomas Jackson had resigned in the wake of a blistering DOJ report about him and his department. Demonstrators had gathered to celebrate but also some blocked traffic.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: That's a kid.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Really?

SIDNER: At least three protesters were arrested. Fights broke out between protesters. Neither of the officers who were shot worked for the Ferguson Police Department. One a 14 year veteran of the St. Louis County P.D. was shot in the shoulder. The other in the Webster Grove Police Department was hit just below the eye, the bullet lodge near his ear. Amazingly both have been released from the hospital less than 12 hours after the shooting. Earlier today heavily armed police entered this house. Three people were taken in for questioning.

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SIDNER: And we have just gotten this new information in to CNN. Just now, more breaking news. The police are now saying sources with the police are saying that they are looking for two people in connection with the shooting of those two officers. One of the people that they are looking to question may be the shooter. The other may be someone who helped the shooter get away. That's the very latest that we are just now getting again. Breaking news that police sources are telling us that they are looking for two people in connection with the shooting of these two officers and that one of the people they are looking to question may indeed be the person responsible for this terrible act -- Brianna.

KEILAR: Key information there Sara Sidner that you just got in the last minute or so. These two people identified that police are looking for. We'll continue to follow that. And tonight we're learning more about three people taken into custody.

Our Jason Carroll is OUTFRONT live in Ferguson. So, we just heard that from Sara Jason that police have identified two people. With who could be the shooter, could be suspected of being the shooter, another who could have assisted the shooter. This is the preliminary word that we're getting. You just spoke to one of the people earlier who was questioned by police. What did she say?

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. Actually, there were three of them who were questioned by police. They came out to this protest last night right out here from the Ferguson PD, went home. Thought everything was fine until about 3:00 in the morning. That's when they were woken up by police demanding that they leave the house, that they get outside right away. By the time they got outside, they had their hands up and one of them was fearing for her life. Take a listen to what she told us.

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IRESHA TURNER, QUESTIONS BY POLICE: I opened the door. The door's open. It's open. Screaming letting everybody know. I opened the door. I scoot back. I look at my chest. It's a red dot on it. I had my hands up crying, please don't shoot me. He said come out. I said are you going to shoot me. He said, no. I just stood there crying. He walks in front of me and my son walks in front of him. My son.

CARROLL: How old?

TURNER: He's six years old. He's the reason that I live every day. He got more sense than I have. That little boy walked in front of him and me and he had beamers on my son as well. They said come out with your hands and has us to do a 360. They had us walked backwards and they had us get on our knees.

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CARROLL: Terrifying moments there for Iresha Turner also Lemont Underwood was with her as well as well as Mantas Little (ph). They were questioned Brianna for several hours. They were asked repeatedly, did they know anything all about the shooting? They told police no repeatedly. They asked if they saw anyone who committed the shooting. They repeatedly told police they did not. The only thing that they heard was the gunfire and what they saw was the police go down -- Brianna.

KEILAR: All right, Jason. And also tell us about where police, if they have any sense of this of where they think that the shooter may have been standing.

CARROLL: Well, just to tell you where I am, I'm standing right here on Tipping Street. And if you look behind me there, in the distance there, just down, a little bit down there, you can see the front of the Ferguson Police Department where the shooting took place. Again police theorize that the shooter or shooters was standing about 120 or 125 yards north of where they were. That's right up here in the street here. So, what they theorize is possibly the shooter was up here on this street, committed the shooting and then disappeared in the neighborhood off in that direction there. That's the working theory that they have right now. But obviously a lot more investigating has to go on. You just heard from Sara Sidner, possibly two people of interest that they're going to be checking into. We'll see if that lead takes them anywhere -- Brianna.

KEILAR: Yes. We're following that information just in to CNN. Jason Carroll for us in Ferguson. Thank you.

Tonight, we have some exclusive new audio and video of that shooting. Exclusive. We have not seen this here yet. Chris Renteria, a documentary film producer who was at the police station when the shots were fired.

Chris, thanks so much for joining us. And tell us, you were recording audio at the time of shooting.

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So, we hear what it sounds like maybe two gunshots. You tell me what you think but take me through what happened when you heard those shots.

CHRIS RENTERIA, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER AND SHOOTING WITNESS: Everything pretty much calmed down about that time of night. Obviously all night it was relatively peaceful but as far as the two different lines from both sides of South Florissant it seemed like it was kind of winding down. And so, we were actually focused on picking up some shots, some B roll, an arrest that happened and somebody being processed and brought back out. And so the camera was faced towards the police station. And I actually was just having a conversation with a couple of the officers on the front line pretty casually and out of nowhere I heard those bangs.

KEILAR: OK. So, you also have video and we were watching it right there. It was video of right after the shots were fired. You can see on the right hand of that video, you can see just the feet of one of the officers who had gone down. You see the others taking cover behind their shields. What was the scene like? You were awfully close to this when it happened. What was it like?

RENTERIA: It was very apparent from where the shots had come from, you know, the Northside of South Florissant is the protest line. And on the south side of that is usually the police line, on the police station lot facing offer each other. These shots, in my opinion, it sounded like they came from a completely different place just adjacent to -- behind where the subway was located. So, when it initially happened, I personally thought it sounded like a louder bang like maybe tear gas being deployed or flash bangs. And so I look to my left and right, and then when I noticed, the attention of the police officers trying to secure the scene and where they are going, that's when I immediately went to the camera reposition and got in focus and hit record and took cover after that.

KEILAR: You also have some video Chris that you shot. This is one of the officers receiving treatment is what it looks like. Tell us what you saw there.

RENTERIA: So, once the scene was secured, I had ask if I could get my equipment and removed myself back to the back and were positioned in the rear of police station here in Ferguson. And at that moment I noticed there was a lot of activity on top of the hill. I didn't know if anybody had been shot. I wasn't checking my phone. I was just trying to recover my situation at that point. And when I did notice that activity I began to film up on that hill. And it wasn't until I saw the ambulance pulling up that I realized what was actually happening.

KEILAR: Yes. It's an amazing look there and really you just get a sense of the chaos that broke out last night. Chris Renteria, documentary film producer. Thanks for sharing your footage with us so that we can see what happened there. Really appreciate it.

RENTERIA: You're welcome.

KEILAR: And OUTFRONT tonight, Jeff Roorda, the business manager for the City of St. Louis Police Officers Association. Jeff, thanks for being with us again. And just tell us, because you know these officers, how are they doing tonight?

JEFF ROORDA, BUSINESS MANAGER, CITY OF ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION: Brianna, this is a very solemn, scary time for our law enforcement family. One of the officers I'm friends with. I've known for nearly 20 years. I visited with him at his home earlier today. I mean, he was in remarkably good spirits considering what he had been through just a few hours before.

KEILAR: So, which officer did you visit with?

ROORDA: The St. Louis County officer. The officer shot in the shoulder.

KEILAR: In the shoulder, okay, so he's doing well considering. Do we know about the other officer who shot in the cheek, I believe this cheek and the bullet still lodged in his head. Do we know how he's doing?

ROORDA: Yes, I mean, that one is scarier. I mean, for both of them they were just inches away from a fatal shot.

KEILAR: Yes.

ROORDA: But, you know, for him it's really fortunate that the round didn't penetrate his skull that it instead traversed the skull and then lodged behind his ear. But, you know, early on in these gunshot wound situations, it's very difficult to gauge how much nerve damage has occurred. Gunshot wounds are notorious for serious infections and also the mental state of the officers. I mean, can they mentally ever come back to work? These are questions that won't be answered for some time.

KEILAR: No, this is going to continue for some time. And talk to us about some of the other officers. Obviously, they're very aware that this went on. There's no curfew in place tonight in Ferguson. How concerned are they tonight for their safety?

ROORDA: Well, I've called for a curfew and I'll continue to do so. It's unsafe for law enforcement and it's unsafe for the protesters that have peaceful intentions out there to have bullets whizzing over their head. Let's not rewrite history and pretend like this is something new. Officers have been fired upon on and off for the last seven months. Every night for the first two weeks of the protest in August, officers were fired at with gunfire. The two nights after the grand jury decision and now again last night. And, you know, this was almost inevitability when we've allowed things to spin out of control the way they have.

KEILAR: All right. Stay with us. We'll be talking a little more in just a moment.

ROORDA: You bet.

KEILAR: And OUTFRONT next, we have more of our breaking news in Ferguson. Police now looking to question two people in the shooting of two officers. One may be the shooter. We just found out about this minutes ago.

And did those Secret Service agents who drove their car into White House security barriers disrupt an active bomb investigation there? We'll have a report on that.

And dramatic new surveillance video from the Boston bombing trial. This man here seen escaping from the Tsarnaev brothers. Something that he called the most terrifying decision of his life.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KEILAR: Breaking news. Law enforcement officials say they have

identified two people who are wanted for questioning in connection with the shooting outside of the Ferguson Police Station. This may actually include the person who shot the two officers early this morning. You can see from the video right here, the moment that the gunfire broke out. This was amid protests against the embattled police department. And the officers were there standing guard outside the station. The St. Louis county police chief says they were targeted just because they're police officers.

Don Lemon OUTFRONT from Ferguson tonight. Don, you saw just moments ago around you, you have state and county officers who have taken over the security for the protests in Ferguson. Are we expecting more tonight?

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: We are expecting more tonight. As a matter of fact, at 10:00 Eastern Time, 9:00 Central, there's a vigil that's going to be held here. And since August we have been getting information, updates. I get them on my phone about where protesters are going to gather. They are expected to gather here tonight again. I think they're going to start at about 8:00 p.m. Central, 9:00 Eastern. But then the official gathering though isn't until 10:00. But again, one lone protesters there standing across the street. You can look that's where the media is camped out saying, no justice no peace. But they're expecting a big crowd here and this is going to be a real tests considering what happened last night. You know, they have the barricades up now Brianna in front of the Police Department.

That's a municipal court building and the Ferguson Police Department. And just across the way here, across the driveway, this is the Ferguson fire station. Fire station number one. And that is where they are meeting right now. Members of the St. Louis County Police Department and also members of the Missouri Highway Patrol inside meeting right now getting a pepped talk from high ranking officials. It's believed to be Ron Johnson from the Missouri Highway Patrol and also Captain Jon Belmar from the St. Louis County Police Department. They have essentially taken over the operations at least with keeping the peace here in Ferguson Missouri. The Police Department now just doing routine calls for that happened in the community. They're inside now. The special taskforce, you can see some of them now coming out. They are starting the go out on this shift. On the special task force after they had their briefing inside the Fire Department, the Fire Station tonight -- Brianna.

KEILAR: All right, Don. We'll be waiting to see how the events tonight unfold. Hopefully everyone stays safe tonight. Don Lemon for us in Ferguson.

And OUTFRONT tonight, CNN political commentator Van Jones and Jeff Roorda, he's back with us as well. He's with the city of the St. Louis Police Officers Association. So, Van, police are saying that this shooting of the two police officers was an ambush. How big of a setback do you think this is to these protesters who were trying to be heard and the protesters who were being nonviolent?

VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think it's a big setback. It's a moral set back. Also of our prayers have to go to the family members of the officers, the officers themselves and frankly, you know, everybody who wants to be a part of the democratic process. Those bullets whiz by the head of protesters. The protesters themselves could have been shot. So, this kind of thing is despicable and I wanted to be very clear, the people who want to see and prove it as a law enforcement had been consistent throughout. No wanted violence from police but also no wanted violence against police. That's been a consistent message from this movement. It's despicable that anybody with fire past protesters or shoot police or fire police or shoot protesters, we have got to get to a better place, it's been a big moral setback. But more importantly than that, two men almost lost their lives and that's a horrible, horrible thing. And it's a miracle that we did not have funerals being planned as a result of those despicable acts of those shooters.

KEILAR: Really very, very close call there. And they're still not out of the woods. There's still a long way to go for these officers.

Jeff, I want to talk about something that you said earlier. You said protesters in Ferguson have thrown and this is a quote, "kerosene on the fire." That's what you said, you said they've been aiding and abetting the agitators. But last night it seemed that the protests were peaceful and the protesters that are -- would say that they were shocked by the shooting. You think the protesters are really sort of moving this along, the violence part of this?

ROORDA: Well, Van and I don't agree on everything. But I agree with him that this is despicable and it is a setback for the people who have peaceful intentions that have taken part of the protests out there. You can't hear their complaints about Ferguson City government or law enforcement over the clang of gunfire. So, we have to get back to a point where we have peaceful demonstrations. But let's not forget the history of what's happened last several months. This is not the first time officers have been fired on and until we get a handle on things, it won't be the last.

KEILAR: But Jeff, you have got a lot of people who have said there are sort of people who have come to take advantage of the situation that they're not necessarily protesters. That these aren't people who have been protesting and then decide to get violent. But you think the protesters are to blame for what happened last night?

ROORDA: I think that the protesters in the situations like we had last night and other situation were shot and fired on law enforcement cease being protesters and become being human shields for those that have deadly intentions. You know, I called today for a curfew. I think as Van pointed out, the bullets whizzed over the heads of those protesters out there too last night. It's not safe for law enforcement, it's not safe for the protesters after dark. And that's when all the violence has been. We don't have to separate the peaceful protesters from the violent ones during the day because we don't have that violence during the day.

JONES: Well, I mean, here are some of the things I'm concerned about. Obviously not only am I concerned about the protesters and the police. We also have journalists out there tonight. So, you know, nobody here wants anything bad to happen. But there are some things that's been said that I think are very, very disturbing. First of all, there are people who are beginning to lay at the feet of non- violent peaceful protesters who are exercising their constitutional rights under our constitution to petition the government for redress. They're saying that they are responsible for the acts of these nuts. Now, that is dangerous especially when people from law enforcement say that. Why is that so dangerous? It's dangerous because in our country the police have a special role. In a police state you cannot criticize the police. That's not allowed. In our country, the police actually serve the role of protecting free speech. When you start now having law enforcement officers coming out and saying, you can't speak, you can't demonstrate, you can't protest because if you protests and somebody gets shot, you are now responsible. I think that is a very dangerous road for us to go down in America. We have to protect the sense.

ROORDA: What happened last night? What happened last night was the officers there on that line, they didn't fire in the crowd at the direction the gunfire was coming from. They didn't run and hide.

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They said get on the ground. Get on the ground.

JONES: They were heroes last night.

ROORDA: Right. They were heroes every night. It's disturbing when you tack last night on the end.

JONES: Last night. Fine. I did not mean that as an insult. What I'm saying is, that's what makes American law enforcement so special. In other countries you cannot criticize police. In our country, the police will actually facilitate your protests against them. My concern is we're now starting to hear law enforcement and they did last night and that's what makes them special. But you're now starting to hear a very disturbing chorus coming from law enforcement that says we are responsible now for the violent fringe, those of us who were exercising our rights under our constitution. Now, it's very bad when somebody else says it. But when law enforcement starts to tell us, that we cannot protests without being blamed for a friend, that's very dangerous, that's very dangerous.

ROORDA: But it ceases to be a peaceful protest the moment that somebody in that crowd fires a gun, the protests isn't peaceful anymore. So, what do we do?

KEILAR: And yet it's the behavior of so many individuals. Each individual certainly isn't behaving as the next. So, it's a very difficult situation. We'll continue to have this conversation. Van and Jeff, thanks so both of you.

OUTFRONT next, Iranian troops help Iraqis retake most of a strategic city. This has the debate over a GOP letter to Iran's leader boils over. And new surveillance video from the Tsarnaev trial. This is

moments after allegedly executing a police officer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev seen here casually buying snacks at a gas station.

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KEILAR: Tonight, the leader of ISIS accepting the pledge of allegiance for another brutal terror group, Boko Haram. The announcement was made in a new 28-minute audio message purportedly from an ISIS spokesman and posted online by supporters today.

Also on the tape, a claim that reports of the militant group retreating from parts of Iraq have been exaggerated. That comes as Iraqi forces are, in fact, making gains against ISIS, thanks in part, in large part to help from Iran.

Barbara Starr is OUTFRONT.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Three quarters of the city of Tikrit in northern Iraq now back in government hands.

A fight won, Iran providing Iraq with fighters, weapons and training.

Washington and Tehran may not be battle buddies, but for now, they are like-minded.

SEN. BOB CORKER (R-TN), CHAIRMAN, SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: In essence, we're working towards the same end.

STARR: But questions if it could all go wrong if there's no nuclear agreement with Iran.

CORKER: And what may occur after March 24th in the event there isn't an agreement with Iran over the nuclear program, how will that affect how the Shia militia that are very in close proximity to our men and women in uniform, how that might affect them.

GEN. MARTIN DEMPSEY, CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF: We have no indications they tend to turn on us.

STARR: Iran supreme leader weighing in on that letter from 47 senators who wrote to him that a nuclear agreement could be revoked after President Obama leaves office. The ayatollah saying, "I'm concerned because the other side is into deception, trickery and back stabbing."

Political messages on all side.

Potential Republican presidential candidate, Texas Governor Rick Perry --

FORMER GOV. RICK PERRY (R), TEXAS: And, certainly, the next president of the United States is not going to be held accountable by this president signing an agreement that I don't think is in the United States' best interest.

STARR: Disagreements from the Democrats is rising.

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY (D), CONNECTICUT: They could at least see the final product. Congress actually does have the ability to take away from the president the power to implement this agreement. But that shouldn't be a discussion until we actually have the agreement before us.

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STARR: Now, Iran, the next steps on two tracks in Washington, two very significant tracks. What will happen next in Iraq, how much support will Iran continue to give? Will Iraq become an Iranian client state? And, of course, the nuclear agreement -- if an agreement is not reached by the end of this month, the next steps may be very difficult to predict -- Brianna.

KEILAR: Barbara Starr for us at the Pentagon tonight -- thank you.

And OUTFRONT tonight, former NATO commander, retired General Wesley Clark. And we have former CIA counterterrorism official Phil Mudd.

So, Phil, how concerned are you about Iran's involvement in this fight against ISIS?

PHIL MUDD, FORMER CIA COUNTERTERRORIM OFFICIAL: Look, this is a momentum that Iran is undertaking that will be difficult to turn back.

Let's make this simple. We overturned a Sunni regime. That is Saddam Hussein. Iraq is 65 percent, roughly, give or take Shia. Right next door is a Shia theocracy. That is Iran.

Iraqi leadership, the Shia leadership, is now in trouble, up with the Sunni terrorists. That's is ISIS. The Iraqis go next door to the Iranians and say, we need help, come on in.

The Iranians now have provided that help. The likelihood in coming years that they will back away from this integration would the Iraqi government I think is limited. The Iranians are there to stay.

KEILAR: But they're pushing certainly into areas where there are many Sunnis, many complications that we're expecting.

And, General Clark, it begs the rule that as the U.S. is involved here, how does this complicate things for the U.S., and how should the U.S. relate to Iran when it comes to Iraq?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK, FORMER NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER EUROPE: Well, in the first place, we're in there to try to contain, stop, ultimately to destroy ISIS. And so, in that case, we're right now making common cause with Iraq. Now, we didn't participate in the Tikrit offensive apparently

because the Iranian military was there in force. The Quds commander, Iranian air strikes, Iranian artillery, Iranian infantry were in there. So, we stayed out of that.

But this is a complication as Phil said. As the offensive moves forward and we're looking at what we're going to do with respect to Syria, and ISIS in Syria, it's even more complicated. Turkey doesn't want Iran to encircle its opportunities. And with Bashar al Assad in Syria, with an Iraq that's a client state of Iran and Iran itself, there's going to be a solids belt of Shia support surrounding Turkey. So, Turkey's going to strike out against that.

KEILAR: General, is it possible, is it sustainable for the U.S. to fight in common cause with Iran but to avoid any sort of cooperation here.

CLARK: Well, in the near term, yes. It's sustainable. But what we have to understand is this is a very long term set of issues in the Middle East. It has to do with Islam. It has to do with Shia versus Sunni. It has to do with Iran's hegemonial aspirations, Saudi and security, and Turkey's desire to regain a larger role on the international stage.

So, we need to be prepared to stay for a long time and that means no U.S. ground combat troops in there. Keep our options open. Be very light-footed where we're in this area because we don't want a lot of casualty of our own forces and we want to be able to be very flexible and agile.

KEILAR: Phil, I want to ask you about this is audio tape, purportedly from ISIS. And it's accepting this pledge of allegiance from Boko Haram. Does this strengthen either group? Does it strengthen both groups? Should the U.S. be concerned here?

MUDD: I think it strengthens both groups short term, but it exposes an ISIS vulnerability. There's an interesting contrast with the Al Qaeda organization. Al Qaeda was very concerned about the brand. Don't affiliate with groups and I think they would include Boko Haram, that denigrate the brand because these groups like Boko don't represent what al Qaeda was all about. Attack the Americans, be careful about being too extreme with the locales.

What ISIS has done is said we'll dilute the brand by affiliating with a lot of groups very quickly so we could expand very quickly. So, I think geographically this gives them, obviously, a foothold in Nigeria and it gives Boko Haram an opportunity to say we're on a word stage.

Longer term, I think this is weakness for ISIS, because over time, I think Boko Haram will be turned back by the Nigerians and other African forces and ISIS will look foolish.

KEILAR: Look -- it will look, spread thin certainly.

Phil Mudd, thanks so much for being with us. General Wesley Clark, really appreciate it.

And OUTFRONT next, new details on those Secret Service agents who drove their car into White House barriers. One of them, a supervisor on the president's personal detail.

And at the Boston bombing trial, new video capturing the moment that this man right there escaped the Tsarnaev brothers. Did his actions that night help police catch up to the brothers?

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KEILAR: Breaking news: law enforcement officials speaking out for the first time about allegations that two top secret officials -- top Secret Service officials, I should say, crashed the car into a White House security gate, disrupting a bomb investigation after a night of drinking.

Today, White House officials say President Obama is, quote, "disappointed to learn of the allegations."

One of those agents, Mark Connolly, was the second in command on President Obama's personal detail. He spent countless hours keeping a watchful eye, just steps from the president.

And lawmakers say that they are furious after this latest in the string of high profile scandals from the agency charged with protecting the life of the president, his family, other top U.S. officials.

Michelle Kosinski OUTFRONT tonight from the White House.

You're actually learning some new details about this. What can you tell us?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Right. And that agent that you mentioned, Mark Connolly, he was not apparently the one driving this car. It was two agents driving together.

But now, these law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation are really pushing back against the outrage that's out there, as well as this reporting that these agents allegedly crashed into a gate or barrier. What they're saying didn't quite happen that way. They said that these agents were traveling literally one mile an hour. They went into the restricted area and nudged an orange sort of barrel -- one of those barrel type barriers you see on a highway sometimes -- nudged it out of the way with their car a few feet so that they could get to a check point.

At that checkpoint, these sources say that they rolled down their window, showed their badges for about 25 seconds. Nothing seemed amiss. They were let to go through that check point to a second one where their car was checked by a dog, checked for explosives, and then they were on their way.

So, these sources are saying this all lasted about one minute. There was no crash. They never got out of their car. There was no damage to the vehicle and that was it.

The big questions, though, that these sources are not commenting on are, well, didn't these agents supposedly drive through the crime scene tape, through a restricted area where there was an active investigation going on? And also, where did this alcohol allegation come up? Was it later on? Somebody else they encountered? Who supposedly smelled alcohol?

And what about this supervisor who allegedly let them go home even though some officers on the scene thought that they should be tested for alcohol and possibly even arrested?

And, obviously, Brianna, some big questions still out there.

KEILAR: Yes, big questions definitely. Michelle Kosinski for us at the White House.

OUTFRONT tonight, we have Shawn Henry. He's a former FBI executive assistant director. He worked extensively with the Secret Service in that role.

Shawn, thanks so much for being with us.

And you heard Michelle's report there. We have some officials who are downplaying what happened. But this is not nothing -- I mean, you don't have the president saying he's disappointed and you don't have two top Secret Service agents being reassigned if this isn't a big deal, right?

SHAWN HENRY, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, I think that's right. I think there certainly is some concern, especially on the heels of a number of other incidents that have occurred over the last couple of years. But you've got -- you've got to do a thorough investigation and follow the facts where they lead.

And through this investigation I think by the inspector general, you'll make a determination whether or not these agents were, in fact, intoxicated or if they took actions that really exceeded what they should be doing in that particular area.

BURNETT: You mentioned a string of other incidents. It seems like it's kind of been one after another over the past few years, the prostitution scandal in Colombia, you have the fence jumper that got all the way inside the White House. We're on our third Secret Service director within two years now. We have a new director in.

Does more need to be done? Is this an issue of leadership? Is this something else?

HENRY: Well, I think in any of these incidents, leadership is certainly always going to be questioned by people when you see something like this happen. Joe Clancy is the new Secret Service director. He's only been officially in this position for about 30 days. So, he needs an opportunity to assert himself in this role.

But, you know, there are 6,500 employees in the Secret Service, more than 3,200 agents and 150 officers around the country. We've heard about these incidents which absolutely should raise some concern, but they are quite a minority when you think about the number of incidents that Secret Service is involved in every single day successfully.

So, we shouldn't have a black mark against the entire organization. Let Joe Clancy go in and do his job. He'll have to make some actions here.

KEILAR: Yes, he gets some time, certainly a do-over beyond this we think.

Shawn Henry, thanks so much.

HENRY: Thanks.

KEILAR: And OUTFRONT next, just in to CNN. We have new video from the Boston bombing trial. This is carjacking victim escaping the Tsarnaev brothers. Did he ruin the suspected bombers escape plan?

And an intimate portrait of the Last Supper and Judas' betrayal of Jesus. That's ahead with the sneak peek of a CNN series "Finding Jesus."

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BURNETT: Breaking news: new details about what may have prevented the Boston bombing suspects from getting away. A man testified today he was carjacked by Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and then he made a run for it. His narrow escape and call to authorities likely prevented further carnage.

Deb Feyerick OUTFRONT for us.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kidnapping and carjacked by the Boston bombers, 27-year-old Dun Meng anxiously waited to run. When a car pulled in the gas station, he found an opening and raced as fast as he could across the street to another gas station.

Watch as Meng frantically tries locking the door, begging the confused clerk to call 911. Fearing the Tsarnaev brothers will follow, he hides in a storeroom. The clerk gets police on the line and hands Meng the phone.

911: Did they leave?

DUN MENG: I don't know. I don't know. They took my car like half an hour ago.

FEYERICK: Following the murder of MIT Officer Shawn Collier, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hijacked the black SUV. Tamerlan testified Tamerlan pointed a gun and asked, "Do you know the Boston marathon explosion? I did it and I just killed a policeman in Cambridge."

Prosecutors say the brothers have placed homemade explosives in the SUV's trunk and then drove Meng to a bank where Dzhokhar used Meng's ATM car to withdraw $800 in cash.

Driving around, Meng testified Tamerlan Tsarnaev made small talk asking him where he was from. Meng replied, "I'm Chinese." Tamerlan's response, "I'm Muslim. Muslims hate Americans."

Just before midnight, they stopped at this Shell station, Meng says, to fill up the gas tank intended to drive to New York. At the gas station, Dzhokhar goes inside to buy snacks, taking his time picking out chips. That's when Meng decided to run.

Surveillance video shows Tamerlan going to his brother, Meng has escaped. He leaves the snacks and follows Tamerlan. Meng alerted police had GPS tracking, a crucial break that helped police close in on the Tsarnaev brothers.

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KEILAR: Unbelievable, deb. And tell us again how, because we've been monitors Dzhokhar each day of testimony, how did he respond today to this testimony and to this evidence in court?

FEYERICK: Well, Brianna, he seemed a lot more engaged. And what I mean by engaged is he's actually sitting up he's in his chair. Normally, when we heard all the testimony from the witnesses who were injured in the bombing, he was slouching, he looked disinterested, made eye contact, but watching himself on video listening to the stories of this man saying, "Dzhokhar kidnapped me," it was very, very powerful. Understated but extremely dramatic and extremely powerful, Brianna.

KEILAR: All right. After -- he had been stoic many days except for yesterday and today.

Deb, you'll continue to monitor this in Boston. Thank you.

And OUTFRONT next, the drama of the Last Supper as never seen before.

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KEILAR: This week's episode of "Finding Jesus" takes a closer look at the disciple Judas and his betrayal.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Jesus and his disciples met for the last supper, the tension was really building up. Through the week that they'd been in Jerusalem, there had been increasing conflicts with authorities, something big was about to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there's a real sense of foreboding at the last supper in the way that it's portrayed in the gospels. DR. TIM GRAY: There's that moment at the meal, this intimacy to

eat a meal with somebody is to be family with them.

Jesus announces, "One of you, one of the 12 will betray me."

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KEILAR: "Jesus and Judas" airs Sunday night at 9:00.

And "AC360" starts right now.