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[19:00:10] KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news. Sandra Bland, the young black woman who died in police custody, she told a jail official that she had previously tried to commit suicide, this according to jail records. This is also as a police release new video of her controversial arrest. Bland's sister is OUTFRONT.
Will the real Donald Trump please oh, please stand up? He tells CNN he has to fight back against Lindsey Graham. Because he called him a jackass. But he is also promising to change his tone if he Donald Trump becomes president.
And growing terrorist chatter on the eve of the President's trip to one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening, everyone. I'm Kate Bolduan in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news. Sandra Bland, she's the 28-year-old black woman who died under mysterious circumstances in her jail cell. Just three days after a routine traffic stop. Tonight, a bombshell, we are learning that Bland told a jail official that she tried to kill herself. That is according to a newly released jail document. Police reported that Bland hanged herself in her cell, even as the family has repeatedly insisted that the vibrant young woman who had just landed a new job had every reason to live. But it's the police dash cam video taken after Bland was pulled over after failing to signal a lane change that's gone viral and fueled an explosion of nationwide interest.
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UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Get out of the car!
SANDRA BLAND, ARRESTED DURING A TRAFFIC STOP: Wow!
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Now!
(INAUDIBLE)
For failure to signal?
(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLDUAN: That video is also the focus of a lot of speculation.
The original version released by police raised questions about whether it had been edited. Take a look at the white car in the video we're going to show you. It repeats. Police insist that the video simply had some glitches when it was uploaded and today they released a new version. But much more on that in a moment.
First, let's get to Ryan Young, he's starting our coverage in Hempstead, Texas. Ryan, a major development in this story. Bland apparently admitting to a previous suicide attempt, according to jail documents. Tell us more.
RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. While our county officials releasing these documents to us. Every time an inmate is booked in here to the jail, they fill out a form. And of course, the inmates have to tell them about their health. And on page number two, it says in 2014 that she lost a baby and she tried to commit suicide. It says it right here that she tried to use pills to commit suicide. That is on page two of the intake form that Sandra Bland had when she walked in here to the jail. Now, on page four, it also states that Sandra Bland states to the people here at the jail that she had epilepsy. But on that same page, you can see it, it says have you ever attempted suicide? And that mark -- that box is marked no. So, on page four it says, no. On page two it says, yes.
So, it's still a little unclear. But jail officials giving us this document with the details that clearly says in 2014, Sandra Bland tried to commit suicide after losing a child. This coming from the sheriff's department here. Look, we talked to the sheriff yesterday when he showed us the inside of the cell. He told us he was convinced that Miss Bland committed suicide in that cell. One of the questions that will be raised if she marked yes on this, why weren't jail officials checking on her more often? Why was she left alone? That's something we will have to ask and see what's going with that and the documentation between page two and four. But this information is coming out in the last hour or so about the fact that it was marked here that she tried to commit suicide after losing a child.
BOLDUAN: Making all of the circumstance even more tragic and of course now raising more questions rather than offering answers, which is what folks need. Ryan Young, thank you so much.
So, Texas officials, they are also pushing back against claims that the Department of Public Safety edited the dash cam video of Sandra Bland's arrest. Tonight, they have released another version of that tense struggle.
Miguel Marquez is OUTFRONT.
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MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Under pressure, the Texas Department of Public Safety released a new version of the dash cam video showing the arrest of Sandra Bland. The initial dash cam video by Texas DPS had at least six video but no audio anomalies. This car disappearing several times. The tow truck operating jumping from outside to inside. The new video is three minutes shorter than the original because it had several scenes that were repeated. Texas authorities saying it was an error in uploading.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's their reputation. It's their professionalism. It's everything. And yet, they uploaded something that apparently had flaws.
[19:05:03] MARQUEZ: The altercation caught on that video between Bland and trooper Brian Encinia off camera is disturbing.
BLAND: You're about to break my wrists, stop!
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Stop moving! Stop now!
BLAND: You slam my head against the ground. I have epilepsy you mother (bleep).
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Good you are going to jail for resisting arrest.
MARQUEZ: The incident started normally enough.
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: How long you been in Texas?
BLAND: Got here yesterday.
MARQUEZ: Pulling her over for a lane change violation. After checking her license and registration, he returns to the driver's side. About five minutes later, the tone changed. You okay?
BLAND: I'm waiting on you. This is your job. I'm waiting on you. Whatever you want to do.
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: You seem very irritated.
MIGUEL: Seconds later the trooper Encinia apparently annoyed by her answer --
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: You mind putting out your cigarette, please for mine?
BLAND: I'm in my car. Why do I have to put out my cigarette?
MIGUEL: You can step on out now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not against the law to smoke in your own car.
MIGUEL: The situation rapidly escalates. Eleventh times, the trooper demands she exits the vehicle finally saying, she's under arrest.
BLAND: Don't touch me. I'm not under arrest. You don't have the right to --
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: You are under arrest. MIGUEL: They argue and struggle. Finally pulling his taser,
issuing this threat.
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Get out of the car! I will light you up. Get out!
BLAND: Wow!
UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Now!
MIGUEL: In the officer's affidavit written after the arrest, neither the cigarette nor the taser are mentioned. She's charged with assault. But Encinia told her she was under arrest before the alleged assault ever happened.
HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I don't see anything here for being arrested for the motor vehicle violation. I don't see arresting -- resisting arrest here. It's just all one complaint for assault of a public servant. I have a problem with that.
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MARQUEZ: Now, the other concern raised in this videotape is that you hear a long conversation that Encinia has with a superior after all of this is done. And in it, he stresses his side of the story and over and over again saying how he tried to deescalate the situation, how he gave her time to deescalate. Never indicating how serious it became. Never indicating some of the force that he used in pulling out the taser and insisting she put out the cigarette. All of that now under investigation -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely, Miguel. And you see it right there on that tape. Miguel Marquez, thanks so much.
OUTFRONT with us now is Sandra Bland's sister Sharon Cooper as well as the family's Attorney Cannon Lambert. Thank you both so much for coming in and taking the time.
Sharon, it cannot be said often enough in the circumstance, I'm so sorry for your loss and what your family is going through in such a public fashion at this moment. Thank you very much for joining us. As you just saw in the police have released a new version now of the dash cam video without the technical glitches as they described it. With that, are you now satisfied with their answer that the video was not tampered with?
SHARON COOPER, SISTER OF SANDRA BLAND: Hi, Kate. I appreciate the condolences and just want to say, no, I'm not. I think one of the things that has appeared consistent in some of the documents and evidence that we have been given is that there are levels of inconsistencies, one version comes out, then there is another. So, I still do have concerns there. They are ongoing.
BOLDUAN: Ongoing concerns and an ongoing investigation into what exactly happened as the trooper is on administrative leave. You don't think that your sister should have been stopped. And you definitely don't think your sister should have been arrested. So, what do you think should happen to this trooper involved?
COOPER: I think that the trooper should take accountability. And it's not just on him. It's on the public service entity as a whole. You know, want to be clear about the facts that she was pulled over for a truly routine traffic stop that I do believe was petty. Just Encinia didn't make sense. And honestly, she should have been sent on her way. It was a beautiful day out. He initially started out giving her a warning and clearly didn't like her response, had a bruised ego and decided to escalate rather than deescalate the situation.
BOLDUAN: And now then we talk about what then happened to her in that jail cell three days later. We're now learning as painful as this is, Sharon, from the police, from the sheriff that your sister according to these jail documents told jail officials that she had previously tried to kill herself. Were you aware of a previous suicide attempt?
CANNON LAMBERT, ATTORNEY FOR SANDRA BLAND'S FAMILY: Well, I'm going to stop you there. That's what they are saying that those documents say. And I will also point out that with regard to the documents that you are referring to, there is discrepancies in those very documents. So it's really difficult to ask someone to accept the veracity of documents when there is a plethora of inconsistencies within the very document.
[19:10:04] BOLDUAN: And that is for sure. There are inconsistencies as we are pointing on. On one page it says, yes. On another page it says, no, in terms of a previous suicide attempt. I'm looking at the intake documents right now. But as your sister though, Sharon, were you aware of this? I mean, it gives some detail of why there was a suicide attempt. Were you aware of this?
COOPER: No, I was not. And it's the first time we're -- I'm hearing about it. We don't have a copy of those documents to refer to. So, no.
BOLDUAN: So, what is -- I mean, I guess it's impossible to really understand. But what's your reaction when you hear this then?
COOPER: It's still frustration.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
COOPER: You know, it's just -- I have a hard time dealing with inconsistencies. And it seems to have been that they move a last couple of days here. So I don't have a problem still asking questions.
LAMBERT: Just like the trooper tried to suggest that he deescalated at the scene, it strikes me that there's an effort sometimes that people will endeavor to engage in where they try and put themselves in the most favorable light. You know, we have problems with what we're being given.
BOLDUAN: Yes. A lot of inconsistencies and a tragic loss regardless for you and your family.
LAMBERT: And I just would --
BOLDUAN: Go ahead. Go ahead, Cannon.
LAMBERT: I'm just going to say this one last thing, too. You know, this is an extremely significant case, an extremely significant situation. And to have fumbles this frequently, you know, it's hard to get your mind around. And you have to ask yourself what those fumbles really mean.
BOLDUAN: Yes. A lot of questions that demand answers. That's for sure. Sharon, thank you so much. Mr. Lambert, thank you so much as well.
LAMBERT: Thank you.
COOPER: Thank you, Kate.
BOLDUAN: Of course.
OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump fighting back. Telling CNN, this.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I guess it was Lindsey Graham who called me a jackass. So, am I supposed to say, oh, it's okay? You have to fight back.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLDUAN: And a major breach of security. The schedule for airports ones trip to Kenya is publically released raising concerns for the President's safety as he visits a very dangerous country.
And this driver loses control of his car to hackers. No brakes on the highway. Ahead, I will ask one of the hackers how he pulled it off.
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[19:16:20] BOLDUAN: The fighting Donald Trump staying true to form and picking fights tonight with his rivals. He is still not letting go of the fact that Senator Lindsey Graham called him a jackass on this very program.
Here he is, Donald Trump that is, with Anderson Cooper.
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TRUMP: I get called all these horrible names by Lindsey Graham, who I don't even know. I didn't start it with Lindsey Graham. I couldn't care less about him. He is registered at I think zero in the poll. By Rick Perry from Texas who was up in my office a few years ago. I just posted a picture of him checking my hand, looking for money and looking for support. And he was up, you know, people say, I call it a hypocrite. But they are saying horrible things. Like, I don't even know these people and they are saying these -- now am I supposed to, you know, just say, oh, it's okay for them to say -- one guy I guess it was Lindsey Graham called me a jackass. So, am I supposed to say it's okay, I've called a jackass, you have to fight back. The country has to fight back. Everyone is pushing our country around. We can't allow that, Anderson.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Is it presidential though?
TRUMP: I think it's presidential.
COOPER: To give out somebody's phone -- to give out a personal phone number of --
TRUMP: Well, that was a long story. I mean, you have to see the whole story. The way it wharfed. Okay? That was a whole story where he wanted to get on "FOX and Friends" and he called me up. Out of the blue, I never met the guy. Then he wanted to come in for campaign contributions. He gave me -- and then he starts hitting me years later and I happen to have this phone number. And I held it up. I said, this guy was over here and actually -- as you probably know, the room was packed. It was standing room only. In fact, they had other theaters that were overflow crowds. They had also -- television into other rooms. The place went wild. We all had a good time.
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BOLDUAN: We all had a good time watching, I guess we could say as well. Anderson is joining me.
COOPER: Except for Lindsey Graham had a good time.
BOLDUAN: Right. That's a good boy. If you ask the perfect question, which is if you are like this on the campaign trail, what will you be like in the White House?
COOPER: Right. And because that's you know, Jeb Bush yesterday was hitting Donald Trump saying that his language is divisive and that's not a good thing. So, yes, I was very curious to see what he would say about how he would actually govern.
BOLDUAN: Right.
Is this how he would be if he makes it to the White House? Take a look.
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COOPER: But is that presidential?
TRUMP: I think so.
COOPER: Is that something as president -- when you are approached by somebody in Congress, would you give out their personal phone number? TRUMP: I was hit by somebody unfairly. I was called names by
somebody. So, he was up to somebody that's hitting me saying what a bad guy I am, was up in my office asking for money and asking if I can get him on television.
COOPER: If you are president of the United States, you will going to be hit by half the country that's not going to like you.
TRUMP: That's true.
COOPER: Are you going to call them dumb?
TRUMP: No. I think it's a little different. Right now, I'm trying to do something to make the country great again. Politicians will never make this country great again.
COOPER: As president, you would change your tone?
TRUMP: I think so.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: And he elaborates more on that. I asked him using George W. Bush's term, would he be a uniter or divider? He feels he would definitely be a uniter that he makes deals, he can reach out to people that people like him. So, it was interesting to hear how Donald Trump believes he is on the campaign trail versus how he would be as president.
BOLDUAN: And it seems that he is thinking it through. I mean, he is thinking he would really spoken out to, he thinks he's going to change his tone when he is in the White House.
COOPER: Well, I mean, look, this is a guy -- for his supporters will say this is a guy who has operated in the business world incredibly successfully.
BOLDUAN: Right.
COOPER: Clearly can get along with other people. Clearly can motivate people.
BOLDUAN: Right.
COOPER: So, why couldn't he change his tone?
BOLDUAN: His supporters will say, don't change your tone. This is what they like.
COOPER: Yes. Absolutely. That's part of the deal.
BOLDUAN: A lot more coming up, especially the big news today with Sandra Bland, we'll speaking a lot more with Donald Trump. You can see Anderson's full interview with Trump coming up at the very top of the hour. Thanks, Anderson.
COOPER: Thank you.
BOLDUAN: So, Lindsey Graham, he is now changing his cell phone number after Trump revealed it on live TV. One of the most shocking and bizarre moments of this campaign thus far. Graham appearing in this -- video seems to be making the most of this feud with the Donald as he calls him.
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LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If all else fails, you can always give your number to the Donald. This is for all the veterans.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLDUAN: OUTFRONT tonight, Donald Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. And CNN's political commentator Paul Begala as senior advisor to a Super PAC supporting Hillary Clinton. So, Corey, your candidate, he is saying he will change his tone as president. In the five weeks that he has -- since he's announced that he is running, we have really heard what he seems like nonstop insults in that tone is absolutely not changing. And he kind of prides himself in that. How do you expect voters to believe he is going to be different in the White House then?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Well, what I think is the American public is ready for a leader. Not a politician. Someone who is willing to stay and do what it takes to make our country great again. You know, we see empirical evidence in the latest polls, the last two polls has him clearly, the frontrunner in the GOP race. And I see it anecdotally, when we stop places like yesterday in South Carolina where people say thank you for telling the truth. We need someone like you.
[19:21:20] BOLDUAN: But what's the tone change in the White House? He says, he is thinking about it.
LEWANDOWSKI: Well, he understands how to negotiate. He understands how to get things done. That's what this country needs. The tone right now is, let's stand up and be proud to be Americans again. There's nothing wrong with that. It's time to have a leader in place who is not ashamed to be an American who says let's make our country great again. That's what we need first, is to elect a leader who can get things done and then we'll work with the rest of the people to make sure that the tone as you say is appropriate.
BOLDUAN: Your boss says it, too and not just me. So, Paul, to be fair to Donald Trump, is he kind of stating the reality on this tone conversation? You run a different campaign in the primary than you do in the general and you sure is hankered different when you govern once you are in the White House.
PAUL BEGALA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: The short answer is no. And here's some free advice, Corey, your guy has done great by the way. I mean, I don't agree with money, the issue is (INAUDIBLE) you know that -- setting that aside. He is -- he has rocketed in first place not despite these incendiary comments but because of them. The base of your party loves those comments. So, I wouldn't advise him to tone it down. By the way, you know, Harry Truman was a beloved president, he threatened to punch out a columnist who had given an unfavorable review to his daughter's piano recital. Bill Clinton liked that so much, he actually had it framed on the wall of the White House. And then Bill Clinton later threatened to punch William Saff (ph) by "The New York Times" in the nose. I wish he had done it. So, you don't have -- Donald Trump, he needs to keep being Donald Trump and he'll keep staying in first place.
BOLDUAN: There you have it straight from Paul Begala's mouth. I have to ask you about one thing, Corey, moving off the tone. Let's talk about the polls. Last time and just now, you were more than happy to tout that your boss, Donald Trump is surging in the polls. New poll out today though is not so kind to him. A Quinnipiac poll out today, Trump has the highest unfavorable rating of any candidate in three key swing states. He is the least liked candidate out there. That's got to worry you.
LEWANDOWSKI: Well, it doesn't worry me. You have to look at the head to head polls in the national race for the race for the GOP nomination which is what we are in right now. The two polls are out this week clearly have Mr. Trump as a frontrunner. These particular polls, the Quinnipiac polls do not have an overall margin of who they would vote for. They would do a fave on fave --
BOLDUAN: Do you think people will vote for him if they don't like him?
LEWANDOWSKI: If you look at the last poll, Jeb Bush is under water in the last poll by 17 points. No one is talking about it. You know, let's put apples to apples. The bottom-line is, Donald Trump is in first place.
BOLDUAN: Okay. Well then -- let's put apples to apples. Let's then talk about at least some matchups Paul with your candidate, Hillary Clinton's poll is not kind to her as well. In a hypothetical match-up, you've got -- she's trailing Bush, Rubio and Walker in these three key swing states, Colorado, Iowa and Virginia. The bigger problem though, and it has been her problem, has been that voters there still don't think she is trustworthy. This is not the first poll that has shown that. What has she got to do about it? We keep talking about it.
BEGALA: Yes. First off, she has to go out and campaign on this economic issue. She's got a message. You know, Mr. Trump does. He always want to make America great again. Hillary has a message. And she wants to boost wages for middle class Americans. That's going to be the cost of her campaign. And if people agree with that, they will vote for her. If they don't, they won't. That is, I think, exactly what this election out to be about. He thinks the middle class deserves a race. You will going to like what Hillary has to say and those numbers will change. And to say now, it's professional. In the Q poll is usually a pretty good poll. Sometimes like all of us we make mistakes. If that undecided in those polls, was just a little too high, not little, way too high. And I wonder if that's not fully accurate. But now I never bragged on the polls when they had Hillary ahead by 5,000 points. I am not going to complain when they show her behind. They're all -- they don't matter worth a darn. The key right now is for Mr. Trump, for Hillary, for the other candidates to get their messages out. And she's got one which is the middle class deserves a race.
BOLDUAN: And those messages, I hope we will going to talking about a little bit more. Rather than the food fight that seems to be happening on the republican side. Corey --
BEGALA: More food fight.
BOLDUAN: That why I said Corey not Paul. Corey, to you, that is your task. Great to see you, Corey. Thank you so much.
LEWANDOWSKI: Thanks for having me.
BOLDUAN: Paul, thank you, Paul.
OUTFRONT next, officials are warning of alarming new terror chatter surrounding President Obama's overseas trip. Tomorrow, a live report coming up. And we will show you how hackers can take control of your car. Cut the break. Shutdown the engine, even drive you right off the road. Could it happen to you?
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[19:29:34] BOLDUAN: Tonight, major terror concerns for the White House. Officials are warning there's growing chatter from terror groups ahead of President Obama's trip to Kenya this week. This as critical information about the President's visit was just exposed.
Suzanne Malveaux is live at the White House tonight with much more on this. Suzanne, it's no doubt, President Obama is about to head to a very dangerous country.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Kate. I mean, some U.S. officials consider this a hot bed of terror. And they tell us they are not so much concerned about the safety of the President, because as you know, he traveled in a tight security bubble. But it's those soft targets. It's the schools, the churches, the malls that has been hit before that could be hit again during this presidential visit.
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MALVEAUX (voice-over): Kenya, no stranger to terror. September 2013, the Somali-based al-Shabaab opens fire on Nairobi shoppers, killing 67 people.
SUSAN RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: It is important to note that Kenya, in particular, Ethiopia less recently, has been the victim of terrorism, primarily perpetrated by al-Shabaab. We are very concerned for the people of Kenya and for the region that this threat remains a real one. MALVEAUX: The fear among U.S. officials tonight is the growing
chatter among East African terror groups, just a day before the president's visit, and even before Air Force One touches down in Eastern Africa. The president's schedule, typically given to the host country to set up logistics, is found posted on Facebook, including the specific dates and times of the president's arrival and departure from Kenya's two main airports.
Kenya Civilian Aviation Authority issued this information bulletin to airlines and travel agencies, detailing when Kenyan airspace would be closed to accommodate Air Force One. But travel agents eager to warn clients of possible delays published the details online.
(on camera): In light of the age of social media, do you think that it's even possible now to keep the president's schedule private before he actually travels in some of these trips, these foreign trips, which is so critical to his security?
JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The details of the president's schedule that are critical to keep him safe are details that have not been disclosed publicly at this point.
MALVEAUX (voice-over): A spokesman for Kenya's minister of interior insisted that disclosure was unintentional, saying, "This news was not meant for the public."
The White House says there's no reason at this point to change the president's itinerary.
EARNEST: This is different than traveling to a place like Iraq or Afghanistan where the president's travel plans are not announced in advance. But we obviously have taken some important precautions to keep the president safe, while he is traveling in Africa.
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MALVEAUX: And Kenya has been targeted by al-Shabaab because they are sending troops, they are fighting them in neighboring Somalia.
And, Kate, you should know, it was in April that they claimed responsibility for slaughtering 147 people at a Kenyan university. It was just last month that they attacked two homes killing 14 people.
But, again, Kate, U.S. officials say that they do believe the president will be safe. They are just very concerned about whether or not they will take that opportunity during the president's trip to hit those soft targets -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely. Suzanne, great to see you. Thank you so much.
OUTFRONT tonight, former Secret Service agent who was assigned to President Obama, Jonathan Wackrow, and former CIA operative Bob Baer, a CNN intelligence and security analyst. Jonathan, specific details, as Suzanne was laying out, about the
president's itinerary, the Air Force One flight itinerary, if you will, was released to everyone on Facebook. I mean, these are details that seem should be pretty sensitive. How big of a deal is this?
JONATHAN WACKROW, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: This is a really big deal. Any time the president's schedule or any type of security plan is divulged prior to a trip, it raises the risk level. So, this is a really big deal. The good thing is that the Secret Service and the military, you have time to readjust the plan that was disclosed. So, we can try to mitigate this risk a little bit.
BOLDUAN: I'll be doing a little bit of adjusting very quickly, because the trip is coming up.
So, Bob, you say the president's trip to Kenya is the perfect storm for a terrorist attack. Explain.
BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: Well, Kate, there's a couple things. It is on the bloody edge on the war on terror. There has been a lot of attacks in Kenya. It's got a large Muslim population, about 11 percent.
It's got a 440-mile border with Somalia. And you've got a lot of Somalis with heavy weapons. The Secret Service does not like to get into big firefights with anybody.
You know, is -- will he come out to this safely? More than likely. But it's -- Kenya is just not the safest place in the world right now.
BOLDUAN: With all of that in mind and the fact that sources are saying there's growing chatter from terror groups around this, Jonathan -- I mean, you spent five years protecting the president, what are the greatest challenges or what is the single greatest challenge in taking on a trip like this?
WACKROW: Well, I think that you have to look at the environment that we're going into. As Bob said, this is a very volatile area that we're bringing the president into. I mean, people have been anticipating this trip since the day that he was first elected.
BOLDUAN: True.
WACKROW: So, the people who want to hurt the president have been planning for the last seven years for this trip.
BOLDUAN: That's a scary thing to think about.
WACKROW: Oh, absolutely. This is one of the most dangerous trips he has taken during his administration.
[19:35:02] BOLDUAN: More than going to Iraq? More than going to Afghanistan?
WACKROW: I believe so. I mean, the environment is just -- is too volatile. And it's -- you know, we have to look at the way that we're operating in this environment. It's a very, very difficult trip.
I really think that the Secret Service is put on the spot right now. They have to -- they have zero-fail mission ahead of them.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely. No kidding.
So, Bob, as Suzanne as -- as Jonathan laying out, your laying out, and Suzanne just reminded us, I mean, Kenya has suffered from a series of major attacks especially on soft targets by the terror group al-Shabaab recently.
At what point in your view does the White House need to say, you know what, this trip isn't worth the risk?
BAER: I don't think it's worth the risk. The Kenyans -- let me add this to what Jonathan has been saying -- he's absolutely right -- are talking about building a wall along the border with Somalia. They are saying it's the only way we can protect the people in this country.
And, you know, again, let me go back to the heavy weapons. The Secret Service is not prepared to deal with a military-style attack with rockets and the rest of it and heavy weapons coming from multiple sources.
Is this in the offing? I don't think so. But you can't exclude it. It's a trip I frankly wouldn't have the president make.
BOLDUAN: No. And as you both well point out, the secret service, they need to be right 100 percent of the time in this regard, and the terrorists just once to get through.
Jonathan, Bob, great to see you. Thank you.
OUTFRONT next, this car's computers -- we are going to show you -- taken over by hackers. The car stopped on the highway, the driver powerless. How vulnerable then is your car? I'm going to ask one of the hackers involved.
And the Chattanooga shooter who killed five service members. The FBI labeling him a homegrown violent extremist tonight and revealing how far he got before police shot and killed him.
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BOLDUAN: Imagine you are in your car on the highway and you lose control. Hackers take over your wipers, your radio, even your brakes. That's exactly what happened to this man behind the wheel of a Jeep Cherokee. Thankfully, it was an experiment that now has car companies like Chrysler scrambling to keep this from happening again.
Dan Simon is OUTFRONT with how the hackers pulled it off.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It could be a
driver's worst nightmare.
ANDY GREENBERG, SENIOR WRITER, "WIRED": Guys, I'm stuck on the highway.
SIMON: The engine in your Jeep Cherokee suddenly dies --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do it. Kill the engine.
SIMON: -- after hackers take control of your car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, it was killing the engine right now.
SIMON: It could happen without any warning -- the stereo system, air conditioning, windshield wipers, all out of control.
GREENBERG: Air conditioning is blasting. The music is blasting. And I can't see anything because of the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) wiper fluid.
SIMON: In this case, the guinea pig is Andy Greenberg, a reporter for "Wired" magazine.
GREENBERG: I didn't expect them to cut the transmission which was unnerving. I was stuck on the highway. Thanks to these guys were wirelessly connected to the car over the internet from 10 miles away.
SIMON (on camera): The hackers got into the Jeep through its entertainment system called Uconnect. It's a computer inside the car that's connected to the Internet. Once they found the weak spot, they discovered they were able to control pretty much everything inside the car.
(voice-over): Charlie Miller is one of the hackers who took control of the Jeep.
(on camera): So, once you are in, you can access other functions of the car?
CHARLIE MILLER, HACKER: Right. As I mentioned, inside your car, there's like 30 computers. They talk to each other. And once you are on one of those computers, you can send messages to the other computers and tell them to do things.
SIMON: Do things like control the brakes and send the car down a ditch.
GREENBERG: Hold on tight. Hold on.
SIMON: The experiment was tested on a Jeep. But the hackers say it could impact hundreds of thousands of other Fiat Chrysler vehicles with the same system.
In a statement, the automotive giant says, "The security and confidence of our customers is important. It issued a software update that either customers can download or take to their dealer."
Miller says other carmakers have similar computer systems and could also potentially be hacked, exposing drivers to a whole new danger on the road.
MILLER: Someone steals your bank account, that's a bummer. No one is hurt. Here, if a hacker would get into your car, they could crash it. You and your children could get hurt. So, it's important we deal with this issue now instead of waiting until this is a reality that there's cars crashing.
GREENBERG: Guys, I need the accelerator to work again.
SIMON: For OUTFRONT, Dan Simon, CNN, San Francisco.
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BOLDUAN: OUTFRONT now is Chris Valasek, one of the men who figured out how to hack the Chrysler system.
You were about ten miles away. Could you pull this off from even further? Or is the ten-mile mark significant?
CHRIS VALASEK, DIRECTOR OF VEHICLE SECURITY RESEARCH IOACTIVE: No. Really, I've actually just the other day doing a test with Charlie, I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and he lives in St. Louis, Missouri. I hacked the Jeep from there. It's nationwide. We think potentially North America.
BOLDUAN: I mean, that's really the scary part. I mean, you guys targeted this vulnerability in the Jeep. Does every car have this same vulnerability, though?
VALASEK: No. We targeted the system called Uconnect which we know Chrysler group uses. Maybe other car manufacturers use it, too. We don't know. Additionally, it's on Sprint's cell network. That's another stipulation of this. So, it's limited to these cars that we know of and the cars that are on Sprint's network.
BOLDUAN: You face criticism as this has come out. By taking this public, you might give somebody an idea to go and do just what you guys did, try and hack the car, that you're going to inspire copycats. What do you say to that?
VALASEK: You know, if you are going to do this, you will do it whether or not Charlie released -- Charlie and I release our data anyway, right? If you are dedicated and want to have malice in your intent, then you're going to do it.
We want other security researchers like ourselves having this information available to them, so they can look at not only Chrysler but all the vehicles out there.
[19:45:07] We're the good guys. We want to go and point out problems and get them fixed. So, the more people that can help point out problems, the better. BOLDUAN: In your view, is there any car that's fully secure from
a hack at this point? Any new car?
VALASEK: I can't tell you, because we've only looked at a couple cars. But, generally speaking, in my experience, if you have a lot of code that touches the outside world, there tends to be mistakes because humans aren't really good at writing secure codes. It's theoretically possible that anything could be hacked, and I guess I have lived hid life that way for ten years where I'm convinced I can try to get into anything.
BOLDUAN: It worked this time. That's for sure. Really exposing vulnerabilities, getting a lot of attention.
Chris, thank you so much for coming in.
VALASEK: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
BOLDUAN: Thank you.
OUTFRONT next, the FBI calls the Tennessee shooter a homegrown violent extremist and releases stunning new details on how that shooting went down.
And this -- and is this image, this the image of a mountain lion roaming free on city streets? Why can't city official find it? Well, Jeanne Moos takes it on.
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[19:50:08] BOLDUAN: The FBI tonight says it is treating Chattanooga gunman Mohammad Abdulazeez as a homegrown violent extremist and they believe he acted on his own. Officials also are revealing new details about the moment Abdulazeez opened fire on two military outposts killing five service members.
Alina Machado is OUTFRONT.
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ED REINHOLD, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: At this time, we're treating him as a homegrown violent extremist. We believe he acted on his own that day.
ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The FBI revealing new details tonight about the deadly massacre in Tennessee. According to investigators, three to five minutes is all the time it took Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez to go on a shooting rampage at this naval operation center in Chattanooga, killing four marines and one sailor who are now being hailed as heroes.
MAJ. GEN. PAUL BRIER, 4TH MARINE DIVISION COMMANDING GENERAL: Rapidly going from room to room, they got their fellow marines to safety. Once they had gotten to safety, some willingly ran back into the fight. MACHADO: The rampage started at this recruiting station where
authorities say Abdulazeez fired dozens of shots from his rented silver Ford Mustang. He then drove seven miles to the navy facility where he crashed through a gate and began firing.
REINHOLD: A service member from inside the facility observed him and opened fire on him firing several rounds at him. The shooter then responded by shooting into the building.
MACHADO: Abdulazeez armed with an assault rifle, a handgun, and several magazines of ammunition, eventually made it inside, shooting a service member who later died. The gunman walked out the back of the building and killed four marines before a Chattanooga police officer shot and killed him.
Investigators found two weapons belonging to service members. At least one of them was used to fire at Abdulazeez.
REINHOLD: We found three weapons inside the facility that we believe were all we know belonged to the shooter. One weapon was located in the vehicle. And two weapons were located on his person.
Two additional weapons were recovered at the scene. Those weapons belonged to service members and they were at least one of the weapon was discharged at the subject. Whether he was struck by those individuals is unclear at this time.
MACHADO: The shooting, a shock to the gunman's friend who in a series of text messages obtained exclusively by CNN expressed disbelief.
James Petty, a close friend who considered Abdulazeez a devout Muslim and spiritual mentor writes, "It can't be our Abdulazeez." The friends also discussed a possible motive, asking, "He ever talk about jihad any? Or how corrupt the society is?" The reply, "Dude, he just had a new job and everything. This is out of nowhere."
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BOLDUAN: Alina Machado is joining us now.
So, Alina, what did officials say in the press conference about rumors some of the victims could have been killed by friendly fire?
MACHADO: OK, the FBI special agent in charge who was at the news conference was asked about friend fire. He did not elaborate. But what he did say, was that at this point, the information they have, preliminary information suggests that all of the victims were killed with the same weapon. They hope to learn more when the ballistics report is ready -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: We see the memorial growing behind you.
Alina, thank you so much.
OUTFRONT next, on a very lighter note, Jeanne Moos with a lion on the loose caught on camera. Now, a lion hunt in Milwaukee. That's next.
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[19:57:31] BOLDUAN: So, a lion captured on camera and on the loose in Milwaukee. Or is it?
Here is Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Milwaukee's police chief called it not definitely a lion, but a lion-ish creature.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over in this yard here.
MOOS: Bill and Annie Nolen watched it from their porch.
ANNIE NOLEN, SPOTTED POSSIBLE LION IN YARD: I was afraid to move. I was sitting there. I couldn't move. I thought, what am I looking at?
MOOS: Whatever it was, their daughter recorded it and thus was born #milwaukeelion.
Crowned with a Wisconsin cheesehead, tweeted, riding a county bus.
The police chief said.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're treating it seriously.
MOOS: The Milwaukee lion's Twitter wasn't, grousing, "I look for big foot for Pete's sake."
The local zoo reported, all our lions are safe and sound. Same for the stuffed lions at the Milwaukee public museum.
But if no actual lions are missing, what is that thing?
Think mountain lion, aka, cougar. There have been several confirmed sightings of mountain lions in upstate Wisconsin. Maybe one wandered south.
Though the founder of Big Cat Rescue says, no cougar would be that fat. To her it looks more like a young male African lion.
The Nolens saw the cat in Kelly Brooks yard and called to warn him. He was skeptical until he saw video.
KELLY BROOKS, NOLEN FAMILY NEIGHBOR: Whoa! That's a lion, lion. Not like a play lion. That was a lion, lion.
MOOS: At the same time the lion lion video went viral, so did this bear, bear. Said to be a preview clip of Japanese game show.
But police aren't treating the lion hunt as a game. Even if the Milwaukee lion himself tweeted, this always help me sleep.
And another jokester tweeted, "No sign of Milwaukee lion. But our security cameras did pick up this. Save the Milwaukee lion from extinction."
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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BOLDUAN: It's not a very scary growl, that's for sure. I love the police chief called it lion-ish. I'll stick with that.
Thanks for joining us, everyone.
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