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Awaiting Donald Trump Rally in Florida; New Polls: Trump Versus Clinton Race Tightening; Obama Criticizes FBI Chief: "We Don't Operate Innuendo"; Trump to Early Clinton Voters: Change Your Vote; Nephew: George W. Bush Could "Potentially" Vote Clinton. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:03] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, the breaking news. Closing the gap. New polls tonight show Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton neck and neck in the crucial swing states with just six days until Election Day, it is anyone's race.
Plus, buyers' remorse. Donald Trump telling early Clinton voters they can change their votes. Can they? We're going to check the facts state by state. And George W. Bush be voting for Hillary Clinton?
Let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, Trump on the rise. Donald Trump is about to speak live at a rally in Pensacola, Florida. This is his third stop in the must win state of Florida today. And this comes as a slew of new polls show Trump ahead in some key states just six days until Election Day. In polls of four swing states here at CNN tonight, Trump leading in Nevada by six. A major turnaround from two weeks ago.
He was behind then. Trump also up solidly in Arizona. Florida within the margin of error. In Pennsylvania, Trump trails by four. But that is down from Clinton's 12 point lead in a poll a month ago from NBC News. Nationally, CNN's poll holds as Clinton leading Trump 47 to 42. Right now live pictures of Las Vegas, Hillary Clinton right now rallying supporters trying to win the state of Nevada.
Sunlen Serfaty OUTFRONT at the Trump rally though that is about to start in Pensacola. And Sunlen, in recent days, the polls have narrowed. Trump has been in blue states territory tonight though back to Florida where we show him down but within the margin of error.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's absolutely right, Erin. He's shifting attention back to battleground states and key battleground states like here in Florida. A critical must-win state for him where he's looking at these polls and you can say that his schedule really reflects the urgency of the moment for him right here in Florida. He has been barnstorming the state holding four events in 24 hours.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: In six days we are going to win the great state of Florida. And we are going to win back the White House.
SERFATY: Donald Trump is barnstorming Florida today.
TRUMP: Give us two more days I think we're going to be winning everywhere.
SERFATY: The biggest battleground prize on the map with 29 electoral votes and a state critical to Trump's path to the White House.
TRUMP: Has anyone seen crooked Hillary Clinton today? That's going to be a great term for president. Right? Boy oh boy what a mess.
SERFATY: As he makes his closing argument, Trump is trying to show some late-in-the-game message discipline.
TRUMP: Hillary has been there for 30 years and she's accomplished nothing. She's just made things worse. Look at her record. She is the candidate of yesterday --
SERFATY: Sticking to the script, keeping his attack squarely focused on Hillary Clinton.
TRUMP: If you watched her last few speeches over the last few days, she's become totally unhinged. Unbelievable.
SERFATY: The Trump campaign is sensing opportunity in the wake of some tough headlines for Clinton, including the new FBI investigation into e-mails potentially related to her use of a private server and the increase of ObamaCare premiums next year. In the final stretch, Trump and his team now eyeing some turf usually friendly to Democrat, dispatching family members and surrogates as part of its offensive to fan out the next three days across state from Michigan and Colorado to Virginia and Pennsylvania. Trump is also hunting for votes among people who have already voted for Hillary Clinton, trying to persuade them to change their minds.
TRUMP: This is a message for any Democratic voter who have already cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton and who are having a bad case of buyer's remorse. In other words, you want to change your vote.
SERFATY: But Trump's campaign is saying it does not want the support of at least one group. After the official newspaper of the KKK, the crusader, gave the GOP nominee a flashy front page endorsement. Trump's campaign quickly rejected it. Calling the publication repulsive, adding their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign.
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SERFATY: And Donald Trump will be speaking here in a little over an hour in Pensacola, Florida. And as this campaign enters into this final stretch or final days, the Trump campaign appears to be lining up an all-out flurry of campaign events as many as ten potential events on Saturday and Sunday alone. And Erin, tomorrow, Melania Trump is making her return to the campaign trail giving one or potentially a few big speeches in the suburbs of Philadelphia -- Erin. BURNETT: All eyes will be on that. All right. Thank you very much,
Sunlen.
Jeff Zeleny meantime is at that Clinton rally I mentioned in Las Vegas, that is now under way. And Jeff, the Clinton campaign now announcing plans to go back to blue states to try to shore up their firewall.
[19:05:03] JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Indeed Erin, the plan is to spend more money, a lot more money. The Clinton campaign decided today to invest some $18 million more in television advertising in the final week of the campaign, more than doubling what they were already planning to spend. Let's take a look at some of the states where they are actually doing it in. It tells you where they are. A, worried and B, fighting.
Florida, more than three times as much starting tomorrow. Nevada, twice as much. Arizona going from 200,000 to 1.2 million. That is one key red state they are trying to win over and look at Michigan going from zero to more than a half million dollars in that blue state of Michigan. Now, aids call it an insurance policy, trying to shore up some of these states here to try and ensure a win next Tuesday. One, they have the money. That is why she raised personally more than $300 million over the course of her campaign.
But Erin, look at where these Democrats are traveling today. Hillary Clinton of course here in Nevada, going to Arizona later trying to turn that red state blue. But across the country, Democrats are indeed fanning out. Chelsea Clinton in blue Colorado. Bill Clinton and Tim Kaine in Iowa. Bernie Sanders, Wisconsin and Michigan. Both blue states. The President in North Carolina, the vice president in Florida. That gives you a sense Erin of how Democrats are A, worried about some of these states and B, really trying to blanket the entire country here.
But we are watching Michigan tonight. That is where Hillary Clinton is going back on Friday to a campaign rally in Detroit, Erin, that is a sign of -- it's not a sign of confidence I can tell you that. It's a state where Democrats have won for more than two decades here. So they are potentially worried about Donald Trump's incursion there. Her aides say they are simply trying to get out the vote. But I can tell you, if they weren't entirely confident they wouldn't be going there -- Erin.
BURNETT: Yes. I mean, it's pretty stunning when you couple that with the advertising zero to what, 633,000 you just mentioned. Thank you, Jeff.
David Chalian is OUTFRONT in Washington. And David, when you look at these new polls, obviously that is part of what the Clinton campaign is reacting to when you talk about a state like Michigan. Key states outlet today in terms of the polling. What impact does all of this have on the race to 270 as you see it tonight?
DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Yes. Erin, we have a slew of new key numbers tonight and as Jeff was just talking about, remember, the Clinton campaign is focused on this blue wall here through these states. And they got some pretty decent news tonight in terms of polling. Take a look at Wisconsin. Hillary Clinton 46 percent. Donald Trump 40 percent. Six point lead in a state that she had to hold. How about Pennsylvania? We got a four point lead. Forty eight percent to 44 percent. This is among likely voters in Pennsylvania. Our brand new CNN/ORC poll.
It's a narrow margin that she had there. But again that blue wall is not crumbling. But look back at this map, Erin. These yellow states, those are the remaining toss ups battleground states. And Donald Trump is getting some pretty good news out there. Take a look at Ohio. He's got a five point lead. Forty six percent to 41 percent in a new Quinnipiac poll tonight. Let's go out west to Nevada. Forty nine percent, 43 percent. Six point lead in our new CNN ORC poll.
Arizona where Hillary Clinton trying to expand the map. A five point lead for Donald Trump. To the southeast, Florida, dead heat in the poll of polls. Forty five percent to 45 percent. This was the closest state in 2012. It looks like it may repeat that performance. Our brand new CNN poll had Hillary Clinton up two there. And in North Carolina, this may be the trickiest news for Donald Trump tonight. Poll of polls, 46 percent Clinton, 42 percent Trump.
That four point lead matters and here is why. And back to the map. You just saw me run through those battleground states. Let's say Donald Trump has the best night possible and he wins all of those battleground states. That gets him to 265. And that is giving him North Carolina where you just saw Hillary Clinton has the lead. Where does he go next? What's the blue state? We just saw Wisconsin and Pennsylvania holding for Hillary.
So look at New Hampshire. If he can flip New Hampshire, he gets to 269 electoral votes, one shy. He needs one more. The state of Maine, it splits its electoral votes by Congressional district. This northern district has been a battleground. If Donald Trump can win that district, he's at 270 electoral votes. That is a very narrow path to the presidency but it is one that the Trump campaign sees as viable at this point. It is basically an inside blush -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much David Chalian. Let's go now to our panel.
Our special correspondent Jimmy Gangel is with me. Clinton supporter Van Jones who is of course a special advisor to President Obama. Trump supporter Jeffrey Lord, a political director in the Reagan White House. Maggie Haberman, presidential campaign correspondent for The New York Times. Paris Dennard, a Trump supporter and the director of the Black Outreach for President George W. Bush. And Clinton supporter, Karine Jean-Pierre who is the national spokesperson from MoveOn.org.
Maggie, let me start with you. The polls are tightening and you saw this, obviously in crucial states, North Carolina obviously a tough one for Trump but the rest has some pretty good news and obviously Michigan is concern there for the Clinton campaign. Clinton now, when you look at Michigan going to Detroit, going from zero dollars to $633 thousand in just a couple of days. How nervous is the campaign?
[19:10:15] MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Look, sometimes at the end of the campaigns, you see people spend money because they have money and it has go somewhere. You look at where the candidates are going to your point. Michigan is clearly something they are worried about. The Clinton campaign has had a rough couple of days. There are a lot of Democrat who believe things have stabilized in the last 48 hours but we're not really going to know that for another few days.
They have clearly been thrown for a huge loop since Friday and they have been on defense. There is a divide among some Democrats as ho how hard she should have gone or the campaign should have gone. James Comey, the FBI director. They went pretty aggressively. On a scale of one to 10 it was basically an 11.
BURNETT: Yes.
HABERMAN: But so they now are facing the challenge of moving past that and trying to keeping the focus on Trump and clearly I would say, she is trying to bait Trump to react in some way. So far he has not. He's stayed very much on message. But those numbers still show she is winning. If it holds like that, she likely wins. It just depends on what happens in the --
BURNETT: Still in her favor. Now, let's just talk about this Van. Enthusiasm. OK? Because that's what, when Maggie talks about this, she wins, but enthusiasm matters a lot. Who gets people to get to the polls? New CNN state polls when you look at that greater enthusiasm from Trump voters in every state except for Pennsylvania where it's 51 to 50. So, you can call that one tie.
Does that give you pause though? These enthusiasm gaps are pretty significant when you look at Florida, Arizona and Nevada.
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: If you believe those numbers then, what you have is the momentum versus the machines. The Clintons have built an incredible machine. It is operating and frankly it's been energized by the fear. You had a bunch of apathy. People are sitting around and already measuring the drapes. Now people are working hard so the machine is getting fueled. But guess what, that machine is now climbing a big hill of bad news cycle after bad news cycle when the FBI has I think quite unfortunately throwing a big monkey wrench.
Meanwhile, you got the momentum on the Trump side. That thing, they're rumbling mess. It is the worst campaign in the history of campaigning. Your third grader has a better campaign for class president but it is tumbling downhill, it is tumbling downhill. And so you got the momentum --
BURNETT: Right. And it took out 16 other people. I mean, it has succeeded thus far.
JONES: Yes.
BURNETT: Jeff Lord, what do you say though about this analogy Van say? Machine versus momentum.
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: On my way here, I received a call from Candy -- political reporter for the Harrisburg Patriot News that told me that just today the Trump campaign has added a stop in Hershey, Pennsylvania in an arena that sits 10,000 people as opposed to leaving the state and they were just there yesterday --
BURNETT: -- Pennsylvania is in play.
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Actually showing that at this point.
JONES: But they had to have Pennsylvania, otherwise they can't win it.
LORD: I mean, in other words, you are not going to go there if you are Donald Trump unless your polls are telling, you have got a shot at this. And by the same token, Hillary Clinton is supposed to come back at some point. And I frankly don't know where in the state but she's coming back. So, what that says is they both realize that these polls are starting to reflect a shift towards Donald Trump, as you can see there with the four point lead which is down significantly. Or up significantly.
BURNETT: You also have the issue Karine here, when you look at the poll, the polls that we have is that voters aren't firm in their choice. A lot of people watching are going how in the hell is that not possible. OK? How are people not firm on their choice? But yet, that is what our poll shows. In these four swing states, there are more voters willing to change their minds than their points between their two candidates. OK? So as people change their minds, all of a sudden, in every single one of these cases, it could flip.
KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Right.
BURNETT: OK. That is pretty significant and does it give the advantage to Trump? Because Clinton is ahead in most of the polls out there?
JEAN-PIERRE: Well, I mean, look, that is kind of surprising because usually at this time majority of voters have pretty much have decided which way they are going to go especially as your early voting. I just want to touch for a second on the Pennsylvania. Look in 2012, Mitt Romney had polls that showed him that he would do well in Pennsylvania. And he had a large events in Pennsylvania and look where that got him.
So, you know, it's like that blue whale that Republicans continue to go after and they can't seem to get. But look, also on the enthusiasm component of it, the 72 hours post the Comey letter Hillary Clinton raised $11.3 million. Right? So there is that, the complacency that was there is now gone. It is all about the ground game for the Clinton campaign. And they are well-tested and they are --
BURNETT: And it also is about -- and I'm going to get to the poll numbers in a moment. But honest, trustworthy and temperament. We see this huge divergence on this yet again and it really could matter in the final hours. And Jamie, the biggest issue for Hillary Clinton right now is e-mails. Obviously this plays to the heart of the issue of honest and trustworthiness. Huma Abedin is now her closest aide and of course is at the center of this. She's been off the trail now for days. Not by Hillary Clinton's side. You spoke with the House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and she was actually very surprising in terms of what she said about this. Let me play a little bit of your conversation.
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JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: Do you think Hillary Clinton used bad judgment in having Huma Abedin as such a close aide in all of this?
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), MINORITY LEADER: The relationships that people have are something that I'm not going to comment on no. Huma is a lovely person. She has the confidence of Hillary Clinton. They are friends. I think Huma used bad judgment in marrying Anthony Weiner.
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[19:15:30] BURNETT: Were you surprised by that?
GANGEL: I was surprised by it.
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Because Pelosi should weigh her words. So I was surprised by that. I just want to go back though to enthusiasm and raising all of this money. And we all know the song money can't buy you love. And what I heard from Nancy Pelosi today is, oh, we're not worried about the polls, but they were going after Comey today. It was no accident. She came out non-stop double standard. The President came out and went after them. They are still worried. As Maggie said, you have -- we'll see in the next couple of days. They have been complacent. They haven't been enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton. So they are going to be playing up Comey in the hopes that it will get out the vote.
BURNETT: And Maggie on this point, Trump leads by double digits in all four swing states, on being honest and trustworthy. Okay? Versus Hillary Clinton. She leads by double digits on temperament, okay? To be fair. At the end of the day though which is going to win, because honest trustworthy really matters to people. Temperament really matters to people but when you look at these e-mails. These drum beat of the Comey. Honest and trustworthy right now is the topic that people are talking about the most.
HABERMAN: I think that we are seeing all sorts of new standards and paradigms set in this race that might not be applicable in another time but you are seeing two historically unpopular nominees so I think that the normal metrics are not going to apply. At the end of the day, a couple of things that I would say. Absolutely agree with everything you said about what we're seeing in terms of complacency. We also are seeing a race that is extremely partisan. Right?
We have seen Republicans looking for reasons to vote for Donald Trump on their ballot line. Even if they don't agree with him, Hillary Clinton started making it more of a partisan race when she started looking more down ballot wanting to help other Democrats. That sort of added a natural contour and that was even prior to Comey. So, I think that you are seeing a dynamic shift that was in place anyway. There were a lot of changes since then. We don't quite know where this is going to go.
BURNETT: Paris?
PARIS DENNARD, TRUMP NATIONAL DIVERSITY COALITION MEMBER: Van talks about this machine, there are a lot of kinks in the wheel. This machine was going Trump but now it is slowing down. The momentum is not there. The kinks are set. ObamaCare premiums. Look, Arizona, it's going to play well there because I'm from Arizona, 116 percent increase is something that's real. When you look at the kinks as relates to this FBI investigation.
You talk about the fact that honest and trustworthiness, if that's what people are thinking about and looking at right now in their final stretch, going into the ballot box that is going to make the difference. Because they are going to look at Secretary Clinton and say, once again she's showing me that I just can't trust her. She's not showing herself to be trustworthy and honest. And we want somebody honest. And that is not going to play well for her.
BURNETT: All right. All staying with me, next. Could Hillary Clinton lose Ohio because of Democrats? Our special report from on the ground. And Donald Trump urging early voters who supported Clinton that they could change their votes. It is legal. Could it really happen though? Could it mean chaos? We have a special report on that for you.
Plus, President Obama breaking his silence on the FBI email investigation and taking a major hit at Jim Comey.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: We don't operate on incomplete information. We operate based on concrete decisions.
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[19:22:20] BURNETT: New tonight, President Obama is speaking for the first time criticizing FBI Director James Comey directly for announcing the agency's plan to review thousands of e-mails that may or may not be relevant to the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private server. The President minced no words.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: I do think that there is a norm that, you know, when there are investigations, we don't operate on innuendo, we don't operate on incomplete information. We don't operate on leaks. We operate based on concrete decisions that are made.
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BURNETT: I mean, that is incredibly harsh. If you think about it is the director of the FBI and his administration.
Joe Johns is OUTFRONT. Joe, the President also on the trail really pleading with his supporters to go out and vote for Hillary Clinton.
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That is right, Erin. President Obama in North Carolina today. His third campaign stop there since July was some of his most urgent language today suggesting very strongly in the college town of Chapel Hill that the election rests on the voters there in that state. An increasingly intense appeal in the final days to get out the vote especially among younger voters and minorities. Listen.
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OBAMA: You have a chance to shape history. What an amazing thing that is. If Hillary wins North Carolina. She wins. And that means that when I say the fate of the Republic rests on you, I wasn't joking.
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JOHNS: The President on the Tom Joiner morning show also saying he's concerned about the African-American vote. As CNN poll of polls shows Hillary Clinton edging Donald Trump by four points in North Carolina. President Obama won the state in 2008 but lost it to Mitt Romney in 2012, now trying to turn it true blue for Hillary Clinton. He's expected to be back in the tar, he'll state later this week with rallies in Fayetteville and Charlotte -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Joe Johns, thank you.
And part of the reason President Obama sounding the alarm is because the number of black voters casting their ballots early is actually down. And in Ohio, obviously crucial state, there are some signs of a heavy drop of in Democratic leaning counties. Will the voters come out on Election Day?
Martin Savidge is OUTFRONT with our series on the battlegrounds?
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If Republican billionaire Donald Trump wins Ohio, it could be thanks to working class Democrats.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We are going to build the wall 100 percent and Mexico is going to pay for the wall.
SAVIDGE: His tough talk on illegal immigration, ISIS and political correctness resonate in the suburbs.
DALE FELLOWS, LAKE COUNTY GOP CHAIRMAN: So we believe very strongly that Trump is going to be -- going to win Lake County.
SAVIDGE: But Trump's greatest buckeye success has been winning over a group of once solidly Democrat voters. In part by hammering Clinton on the subject of foreign trade.
TRUMP: America's running a nearly $800 billion annual trade deficit. In other words our great negotiators were losing in a trade deficit.
SAVIDGE: In 1990, Ohio had over a million manufacturing jobs. Today according to the Bureau of Labor statistics, that number is down to 680,000. Callers vent their frustration on local talk radio.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're sending a message to Washington that we're not going to continue with this crap.
SAVIDGE: A recent CNN ORC Ohio poll found Trump soundly beating Clinton on issues of the economy and foreign trade. Among older voters and white men, the numbers are almost crushing. But the Clinton campaign is firing back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has a plan right now to create ten million jobs.
SAVIDGE: Sending supporters like the head of the AFL-CIO into union halls in Factory Towns spreading the word, Trump is no union man.
RICHARD TRUMKA, PRESIDENT, AFL-CIO: This guy is the most anti-union, anti-worker candidate that the Republican Party has put up since before World War II.
SAVIDGE: But unions here aren't as powerful as they were once. All of which makes the turnout of another Democratic dynamo even more crucial -- African-American voters. Especially in Cleveland and Cuyahoga County. Clinton has to win the county big, some say by a margin of 200,000 votes to offset down state Republicans. But early voting numbers have some Democrats worried.
REP. MARCIA FUDGE (D), HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: We're not that far off of 2012 and I just believe that by Election Day we'll be right where we need to be.
SAVIDGE: African-American voters I talked to all support Clinton.
STEVEN PITTS, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: In this election, I'm going to go with someone that I feel is competent. And someone who has a background in government.
SAVIDGE: And all say they have or will vote for her.
JULIAN ROGERS, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: I've heard that numbers are down as well. But I think we've got a strong team here in Cleveland in particular that will work in the next week to get people out to vote.
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[19:27:20] SAVIDGE: Democratic organizers to that end, Erin, are going to be working overtime the next few days trying to get African- American and minority voters to vote early. In fact again this weekend they're going to do something called souls to the polls. And this is essentially after traditional church services, many African- Americans churches, they will use the church busses to carry people to early voting sites to cast their ballots. If you are not a person of faith, rapper Jay-Z is coming to Cleveland Friday. It will be a concert that is free. But Jay-Z is very much a supporter of Hillary Clinton and along with the music is bound to be a message -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much. And I want to bring back my panel.
Also joining me, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin who is also the author of "Two Close to Call: The 36 Day Battle to Decide the 2000 Election." We'll see if he has another bestseller coming out of this one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hope not.
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BURNETT: All right. Hillary Clinton speaking just now and actually weighing in on this issue, she is saying Donald Trump does not understand the African-American community and here is exactly how she put it.
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HILLARY CLINTON (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: If you are African- American, you know what life would be like. You would have a president who thinks the lives of black people are all crime and poverty and despair. He has no idea of the strength of the Black church or the vibrancy of Black-owned businesses. Or the excellence of historically Black colleges and universities. And the success of Black Americans at every leader -- leaders in every profession and every walk of life.
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DENNARD: You don't have to take my word for it that she's wrong. You can just take the word for Governor Wilder, first African-American governor who said and I quote for her to go out and say to the African-American community, talk about Secretary Clinton, I want you to elect me so that we can continue the legacy of Barack Obama. What exactly is it that you want to continue? You cannot win this election without the African-American vote. Hillary obviously has the necessary qualifications but tell me how what you have done relates to the Black community and what we need.
And so that is a prime example of people out there saying, what is this legacy you want to continue and why do you think you know what you are doing? I am proud of the RNC releasing as series of ads called the midweek (ph) message that is targeting Black voters. I'm proud of the fact that the RNC put out an ad that they called archways (ph) that's airing on black media stations. I'm also proud of the fact Donald Trump put out his new deal for African-American voters and talked about funding HBCUs.
He talked about crime and education. And for her to say that everything is just Rosie for the African-American community, that is incorrect.
[19:30:00] When you look at poverty, joblessness, and the fact is, home ownership -- there were more black Americans owning homes in the Great Depression than it is today. So, there are pockets of this community that are suffering and Donald Trump has the answers and responses to that.
BURNETT: Karine?
JEAN-PIERRE: Here is the thing, I mean, if you just look at the words that Donald Trump has said about the black community and it starts from 2011 with birtherism, which was inherently racist. And it's just -- and he still hasn't apologized for it. He tried to delegitimize the first African -- the first -- our first black president it doesn't jive at all.
And then he goes in front of all white audiences and basically gives character assassinations of black community and now, we're supposed to look at him because he's giving policy at the 11th hour, and now, we're supposed to be like, oh, yes, this is our guy? That he's talking to the black community? He doesn't have a history of --
DENNARD: He does.
JEAN-PIERRE: No, he doesn't.
DENNARD: He does.
JEAN-PIERRE: No, he does not.
DENNARD: Ask Reverend Jackson about his story supporting --
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JEAN-PIERRE: Central Park five. Why don't we go there? Central Park five, he put out an ad.
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DENNARD: -- super predators. Let's go there. Let's go there with the crime bill. Let's got there. JEAN-PIERRE: She apologized more that. She hasn't apologized for anything.
DENNARD: That's not true. He did apologize.
JEAN-PIERRE: No, he didn't apologize for Central Park five.
DENNARD: Yes, he did.
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JEAN-PIERRE: Oh, I said things I didn't mean. It wasn't even specific. It was so broad. It was incredibly broad.
Central Park five, housing discrimination against minorities back in the '70s, it goes on and on and on. And so, this is not someone who is going to be the president for our people of color, for anybody.
BURNETT: The issue here, though, is that in order for Hillary Clinton to win, okay, accurate, she needs to win the black vote. She's going win the black vote but it is going to be about turnout, right? By what margin?
And what we see in Ohio, you heard Martin Savidge. Everyone he talked to had voted, didn't see an issue. But the turnout numbers that we have thus far in early voting are low, Van.
JONES: Yes.
BURNETT: And the president has said I will consider it a persona insult, an insult into my legacy if this community lets down its guard.
JONES: Yes.
BURNETT: He's going out personally and appealing.
JONES: And he has to. Well, a couple of things are going on. First of all, the complacency that all Democrats had when Donald Trump was slipping on every banana peel, stepping on every rake, you know, people just got --they did relax because it looked like there was no way he could win.
I think what you saw over the past weekend, more people have voted in Columbus on one day than ever voted on a single one day over the weekend. I think what you saw Friday, suddenly people go "Holy Toledo" and now you are seeing the response. So, people are moving.
And the other thing I want to point out is, it is important to note that Hillary Clinton has the two biggest weapons in black culture, both the black church and hip hop. They have been very, very smart. No, hey, they've been very, very smart.
BURNETT: They've been at odds at each before --
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JONES: It seems odd. But then there's Republican Party, it's even odder. So, look, you have the tickets. Where do you get a ticket for the Jay-Z concert in two days? Every ticket site is next to a place you can vote early. They have got this thing down to a science.
So, don't think that the black community is going to stay seated. The black community is now standing up, just like the rest of the Democratic Party.
BURNETT: And when you talk about what changed over the past few days, obviously, Donald Trump has stayed on message with the FBI message has rocked this race and Donald Trump is banking on some of the people who voted early having buyers remorse. In fact, he's urging people who voted early for Hillary Clinton to change their votes and support him instead. Can you do it?
Well, Donald Trump has made his plea with a late night tweet, goes out at 3:00 a.m. and at a rally.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a message for any Democratic voter who have already cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton and who are having a bad case of buyer's remorse. In other words, you want to change your vote. Wisconsin is one of several states where you can change your early ballot if you think you've made a mistake.
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BURNETT: Mark Preston is OUTFRONT at the CNN decision desk.
And, Mark, you heard Donald Trump. I mean, how many people out there who have already voted? I mean, I guess to give a sense of the possible scope here. How many have voted?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Right. No doubt. Look, it's six days before Election Day, Erin, but so far, 24.4 million people have already cast ballots early, whether that's absentee or through early voting.
Who's leading right now? Well, we have data on 24 states, where we have a party breakdown. And we can figure that out about where that is. And if we go a little deeper into that, it shows us that Democrats are doing better across those 24 states when it comes to early voting.
But let's just go a little bit deeper than that, Erin, when we look at, can you change your vote necessarily? These are seven states right now that we're looking at. These are some of the states that you can actually change your vote, Erin.
But let's go a little deeper, because as we said, Donald Trump mentioned Wisconsin. But, you know, he also mentioned a couple other states.
[19:35:01] He also mentioned Michigan and Minnesota. But let's take a look at Wisconsin specifically.
We look right here at Wisconsin so far, about 458,000 people in Wisconsin have already cast their votes. But get this? In that state, you can change your vote not once, not twice, but three times. But if you're going to do so, you've got to do it by Friday. That is the deadline.
In Michigan, it's a little bit complicated in Michigan. You have about 659,000, 660,000 people who have already cast their vote in this state right here. But in Michigan, you can only get an early ballot if you're over the age of 60 or you have an extenuating circumstance that you cannot be at the polls on Election Day. Having said that, if you put a ballot in and you want to change your mind, well, then you write a letter to the local city clerk and tell them and ask for a new ballot.
And let's look at the state of Minnesota right here, 282,000, 283,000 people in the state of Minnesota have already cast their ballots. And guess what? You could have changed your vote up until yesterday. That's when the deadline was and the curtain has closed on that state, so you can't do it. Now, Erin, law changes state by state and it is very confusing, so if you do have any questions, you need to call your secretary state's office or your election board and ask them about the voting process that's specific to your state, Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Mark, thank you very much.
Panel back with me.
Jeffrey Toobin --
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, ma'am.
BURNETT: Here we go. This is where the best-seller comes in. No.
But when we're talking about this, Wisconsin, right, not once, not twice, but three times you can change your vote from a legal perspective, how complicated is this? Twenty-four million people have voted. I mean, theoretically a lot of people might be interested in this.
TOOBIN: Yes, that's true. In the big picture it is worth keeping in mind how badly run our elections are. We don't have one presidential election. And we don't even have fifty. We have different presidential elections within different counties.
Different machines used. Different people in charge, and the people who are in charge in polling places, the poll workers in many states average over 70 years old. And so, they are people who are not necessarily up to date with the technology.
Most of the time, this doesn't matter because the elections are not so close that we have to look at how each ballot was counted. But as we all learned in 2000, once you look under the hood and see how our elections are run, we see that, you know, we don't know exactly who voted for each side and if that were to happy in a state like Wisconsin, where there is some vote-changing that might go on, it would be even more complex.
BURNETT: Right.
And, Jamie, you are also talking about as we pointed out in our poll today of swing states, more voters right now, at this moment, are willing to change their minds than there are points in the polls. So, if it's 43-41. People willing to change their minds, three or four points.
In other words, it can flip anyway a lot of states. So, when you look at this from a hundred thousand feet, it's not an insignificant question.
GANGEL: I'm still having whiplash from the fact you can change it three times.
BURNETT: Right, talk about an indecisive person.
GANGEL: And I'm in the state of Florida. So, you know, we -- my family voted absentee because we're all on the road, you know, doing this now.$, but here is the thing. Donald Trump is taking advantage of this. He is going all out.
This weekend, he is Friday doing five rallies. Saturday, doing five rallies. He's going take advantage of every day, every whiplash between now and then. Will it get him there? I don't know.
JONES: This is a hedge thing. Listen, nobody is going around -- listen. If you have come to the place now where, Jeffrey, where you believe that you are going to be saved by millions of people rushing out, you have not heard a single secretary of state, you have not heard a single voter registrar saying there are people that are doing this.
This is all a head fake because the Democrats one hope, the only thing we can sleep at night with, sir, is we've got a good early vote. You are trying to take that away from us. But we're not falling for it.
LORD: In the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I believe you can vote by absentee and then if you change your mind, you show up in person. So, I'm voting four times from absentee ballot and I will show up four times in person.
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TOOBIN: I will visit you when you're out on bail.
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BURNETT: OK.
DENNARD: People are doing this because of the FBI investigation and Donald Trump is going the keep that all the way until November 8th, because it is a serious issue and people will change their minds.
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TOOBIN: You know what I would like to see? I would like to see one voter who is said they have changed their mind and changed their vote.
DENNARD: We'll find that voter.
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BURNETT: Coverage of election day in America, I guess it's been days since 25 million of you have already voted. But every race, every result, of course, on November 8th. All day Tuesday.
Next, the Bush family split over Donald Trump. Could George W. Bush really do it. Could he go in and vote for Hillary Clinton?
Plus, a Republican senator in danger of losing her seat struggling with her party's nominee.
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[19:40:02] HANSON: Would you have wanted your daughter to hear the conversation that Donald Trump had engaged in with the reporter from Access Hollywood on that bus?
SEN. KELLY AYOTTE (R), NEW HAMPSHIRE: I think we all know the answer to that.
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BURNETT: And Jeanne Moos on stealing Trump lawn signs as Trump supporters find creative ways to fight back.
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[19:43:46] BURNETT: Tonight, the Bush family feud. George P. Bush, a Trump supporter and the son of Jeb Bush, says that his uncle, that would be the former President George W. Bush, may be voting Clinton. Could it be there is only one member of the Bush clan voting Trump?
Jessica Schneider is OUTFRONT.
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JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In an election season where the Bush family has largely stayed silent --
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: The strongest person usually isn't the loudest one in the room.
SCHNEIDER: -- just one Bush is rallying for Republican unity.
GEORGE P. BUSH: You know, for team Bush it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you know what, you get back up and you help the man that won, and you make sure that we stop Hillary Clinton. SCHNEIDER: Jeb's son George P. Bush is the Texas land commissioner,
he called for all Republicans to unite back in August but Tuesday night at a rally in Texas George P. publicly implied he may be the only member of the powerful political family actually voting for Donald Trump, according to "The Dallas News", even speculating to "The Associated Press" that his grandfather George H.W. and his uncle George W. could vote for Hillary Clinton.
It's a possibility that first rock the political establishment in September, when Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, the niece of JFK, posed with Bush 41 and posted this on Facebook. Quote, "The president told me he's voting for Hillary."
[19:45:03] CNN's Jamie Gangel has confirmed that George H.W. has said in private conversations he will vote for Clinton. The unlikely alliance between two of politics biggest rivals began after a grueling primary when Jeb Bush and Donald Trump engaged in a knockdown fight.
JEB BUSH (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a tough business to run for president.
TRUMP: I know. You are a tough guy, Jeb.
JEB BUSH: I know.
TRUMP: And we need to have a leader --
JEB BUSH: You are real tough.
TRUMP: You are never going to be president of the United States by insulting your way to the presidency.
SCHNEIDER: Trump resorting to repeated name calling.
TRUMP: So low energy that every time you watch him, you fall asleep.
SCHNEIDER: And even raising the September 11th terrorist attacks to question George W. Bush's presidency.
TRUMP: The World Trade Center came down during the reign --
SCHNEIDER: Former First Lady Barbara Bush has no qualms about sharing her disdain for Trump and his comments about women.
BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY: I don't know how women can vote for someone who said what he said about Megyn Kelly. It's terrible.
SCHNEIDER: George W.'s daughter Barbara, a bit more discrete, posing in Paris at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, right next to Clinton top aide Huma Abedin.
And while a George W. spokesman continues to insist he will sit this election out, Jeb Bush is responding to CNN with just two words "secret ballot."
Unless we forget, it was Jeb and George W.'s cousin Billy who will forever be linked to the blow inadvertently dealt to Donald Trump one month before the election when this "Access Hollywood" tape leaked.
TRUMP: Grab them by the (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
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SCHNEIDER: And, interestingly, Donald Trump has admitted he was rough on Jeb Bush, even in May going as far to say, if I was Jeb, I wouldn't vote for me either.
But, of course, Erin, Jeb Bush staying mum on his secret ballot not conforming who he will or will not vote for -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jessica, thank you.
Panel back with me.
And, Jamie, you have spoken with the Bush family again and again. You know the I and outs of this. What are they telling you?
GANGEL: So, I think that it is fair to say that George P. Bush may be the only member of the Bush family who is going to vote for Donald Trump. As I reported a couple of weeks ago, his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush, 41, has privately told a number of people that he is going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Now, George W. Bush, 43, has said, "I'm sitting this out. I'm not going to comment."
I spoke to his office again today. They are sticking by that.
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BURNETT: He may not vote at all? I mean, there's this --
GANGEL: He is not going to say who he's voting for. But I want to show you pictures.
This picture is from Nancy Reagan's funeral. And sometimes, a picture does say a thousand words. And this is. They do get along.
I do not -- I am not saying he's going vote for her. But that gives you a sense of what relations are like behind the scenes that you don't normally see.
BURNETT: The pictures perhaps say a thousand words, Maggie. But it also says being an insider is perhaps more important than anything. Once you have been in that office, these families have been friends for a very long time.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it says something that there is a unique experience about being in the White House that I think former presidents and wives of former presidents understand and I think that is what that experience is about.
George W. Bush, his spokesman, I have the same experience has been pretty consistent that he's not voting for either of them. But he did start fundraising to try to help embattled senators several months back. And my colleague Jonathan Martin and I reportedly that at the time.
That was very clearly about the checks and balances message on the assumption of a President Clinton. And so, I think you see even if he doesn't cast a ballot in that direction, where he believes this is likely to head and should head in his mind.
JONES: Yes. Look, I think a couple of things. I think the Bush family really represents the Republican Party and it always really has. You remember --
BURNETT: The establishment Republican Party.
LORD: Thank you.
JONES: No, no, really the party itself. Think about Daddy Bush versus W. when there was a conflict over e neocons, hey, listen, you know, daddy, you didn't do it right I'm going to do it right in the Iraq. That was the split in the Republican Party.
Now, the younger George P. Bush, he is for Trump. The olders are not. I just this family --
LORD: He's got an elective future. That perhaps has something to do with it.
I would also say, I mean, I love the Bushes and I worked in the Bush 41 administration and personally they are wonderful folks.
But there is this ruling class gig going on here in this country which is roughly bipartisan in a lot of cases with a lot of elites. That picture, Jamie, says it all.
JONES: George W. Bush is an elite? Mr. Texas is now an elite?
LORD: It says it all. And I'll tell you one quick story here. Mikael Gorbachev is supposed to have said that when he met with then- Vice President Bush, Vice President Bush said Reagan is a conservative, extreme conservative, all the dummies and block heads are with him.
Being one of the dummies and block heads, I would just suggest that that's sort of the attitude here.
[19:50:03] JONES: Are you now throwing George W. Bush under the bus? Mr. Texas twang is this.
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GANGEL: I do need to say one thing. Keep in mind the number of other people from both Bush administrations who have come out for Hillary, you have had the gang of 50 national security, we've had Brent Scowcroft. There is not just a ruling class.
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GANGEL: These are people who are concerned about the judgment and temperament --
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BURNETT: Hold on one second. You heard what she said. She continued, by the way, to say, she wouldn't let her daughter alone in the room by the way, with Bill Clinton or with Donald Trump. She said she's going to write in Mike Pence. These are sitting senators who are coming out against Donald Trump.
DENNARD: She has to do and say what she needs to win her election. But I will say this, ask someone who worked for President George Bush for four years in the White House, there's a lot contingency or group of us who are supporting and have endorsed Donald Trump for president.
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DENNARD: The Bush family understands what happens when you are not loyal to the nominee. Remember what happened with Ross Perot. George H.W. Bush still does not speak that man's name because of what happened in that election. He believes he would have won had Republicans and others not voted for Ross Perot.
And so, they understand, at the end of the day, we have to unite around our nominee and support him. And I believe that because he says "secret ballot", that's what Jeb says, that they will vote for --
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HABERMAN: I'm pretty sure that Donald Trump would also not speak to somebody who he thought cost him the nomination. I don't think that has something to do with being a ruling member.
LORD: Erin, (INAUDIBLE) 240 members of the Reagan alumni council endorsed Donald Trump and I was one of them.
BURNETT: All right. Thanks to all.
And next, the battle being waged on America's front yards.
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[19:55:08] BURNETT: What happens when a guy gets his under ware in a bunch over a Trump sign?
Here's Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Trump signs aren't just being stolen. This one went up in flames, torched by a guy in his underwear in Platteville, Wisconsin. The sign's owners were burned up, especially when they recognized Mr. Underwear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I think that's our neighbor, our tenant.
MOOS: Now, ex-tenant. So many Trump signs are being swiped that yard sign defense techniques are being deployed.
Like using bike chain lubricant to make them slippery or messy or worst yet, try dog poop, or replace your signs with something they can't steal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going keep cutting it like this until Trump is elected.
MOOS: An Indianapolis man used fishing wire and strings where he painted green to fasten down his Trump sign.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She loses her footing and lost her grip and she went flying.
MOOS: When one sign stealer gave up, the owner followed him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shoves me with both hands, knocks me down.
MOOS: Another owner electrified his sign to zap a would be thief.
You hear less about Hillary signs being swiped, though this Florida woman has to bring her signs in at night. And this woman had someone come up to her door.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you voting for that? And she pointed to my sign. And I was totally appalled.
MOOS: Talk about the game of cat and mouse. Imagine using a mouse trap to protect your Trump sign.
New Hampshire State Representative Gary Hopper calls sign stealers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Liberal commie scum.
MOOS: And demonstrates with a disclaimer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to tell you something you shouldn't do.
MOOS: Don't hook a 6 volt battery up to a mouse trap and then the fire cracker so when someone moves the sign --
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MOOS: But even worse than stealing signs, who would abscond a cardboard cutout of the Donald? Cut it out, people. This is shocking.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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BURNETT: All right. Donald Trump is speaking live in Florida right now, as you can see, in Pensacola. We'll be right back there.
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