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Donald Trump Elected President, Delivers Stunning Defeat; Clinton: Owe Trump The Chance To Lead; Trump's Transition Team Planning First Months in Office; Interview with Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan; Interview with Tom Barrack. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:07] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, the breaking news. President-Elect Donald Trump against all odds pulling off the biggest upset in modern politics. How? We're going to break exactly how down for you.
And an emotional Hillary Clinton concedes telling her supporters Trump deserves a chance. Plus, a Trump administration, who is in? Who is out? Let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight the breaking news around the world. President-Elect Donald Trump, the real estate mogul, really television star. Now the 45th president of the United States. Tonight Trump staying out of the public eye. His transition team meanwhile working on filling 4,000 jobs in his new administration. Trump pulling off a stunning historic upset of Hillary Clinton, defying the polls, the odds makers, the experts. So far 290 electoral votes to Clinton's 228. Even as she still is leading in the popular vote. And that is still of course being counted. Hillary Clinton came out today with an emotional concession.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America. And I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
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BURNETT: And after this extremely bitter campaign there was sadness, disbelief and tears shed around the White House this morning. But President Obama stepped up and made a strong call for unity.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: I had a chance to talk to President-Elect Trump last night, about 3:30 in the morning I think it was, to congratulate him on winning the election. And I had a chance to invite him to come to the White House tomorrow to talk about making sure there is a successful transition between our presidencies.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BURNETT: And tonight there are peaceful anti-Trump protests around the country. You can see some of them. People exercising their right. These are live pictures from New York City and Chicago. Hundreds have taken to the street. Wall Street in the meantime surging today. It was a steep drop overnight. Election results first showing Trump likely to win. In fact, the market on nearly 900 points ending the day up over 250. That is a swing of more than 1,000 points. Something we didn't even see in many days at the debt of the financial crash. And yet it ended higher. Solidly so. A record.
A lot to get to tonight. We begin with Jason Carroll at Trump Tower in New York. And Jason, a big, stunning unexpected upset for Trump. What are you learning about his plans?
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well the team is hard at work on the transition. A number of names being floated out there like Governor Chris Christie and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. The question going forward Erin is, how this new president is going to lead a deeply, deeply divided country.
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CARROLL (voice-over): Tonight Donald Trump is embracing a new reality as the next president of the United States.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I've just received a call from Secretary Clinton.
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She congratulated us -- it is about us -- on our victory. And I congratulated her and her family on a very, very hard-fought campaign.
CARROLL: The president-elect pulling off a stunning victory, capturing the key battleground states of Florida, North Carolina and Ohio. And blasting through Hillary Clinton's blue wall in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which put him over the top.
TRUMP: As I've said from the beginning, ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible and great movement. Made up of millions of hardworking men and women who love their country and want a better, brighter future for themselves and for their family.
CARROLL: Trump, the first non-politician to assume the presidency since Dwight Eisenhower now shifts his focus to the transition to the White House and building a Trump administration. Once Trump takes office in January, he'll have Republican majorities in both Houses of Congress to help push through his agenda.
REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: I think what Donald Trump just pulled off is an enormous political feat. It's an enormous feat in that he heard those voices that were out there that other people weren't hearing. And he just earned a mandate and we now just had a unified Republican government.
CARROLL: Reactions to Trump election coming in from all over the world.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin welcoming Trump's victory, saying his country is ready to restore relations with the U.S. But a cooler reaction in Mexico where the news was greeted with blunt front page headlines. And former President Vicente Fox reiterating the country would not pay for a border wall.
Despite his overwhelming Electoral College win, Trump still basis the challenge of bringing together a nation bitterly divided by a hard fought campaign.
TRUMP: Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division. We have to get together. To all Republicans and Democrats and Independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.
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[19:05:48] CARROLL: And Erin, just off camera I could hear some protesters chanting "She's still alive." Another sign that this country is still somewhat deeply divided. Trump for his part telling people that what he wants to do is reach out to people of all races, all battlegrounds, all ethnicities clearly. And attempt to quite some of his critics who say he ran a racist, bigoted type of campaign. Those who did support him are now saying, what they're looking to do is to see how this man will govern as a president. And those who did support him are looking for him to make good on those many promises he made during his campaign -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jason Carroll, thank you very much. And one person saying keep an open mind. Give him a chance, Hillary Clinton calling for unity tonight. Maybe she was unable to speak overnight to try to come to terms with what had happened. But today when she did. Gracious, somber. Speaking to supporters and staffs today.
Joe Johns is OUTFRONT live in Clinton's hometown of Chappaqua, New York. And Joe, you know, that had to be the hardest thing she's ever done in her life. She indicated it was very painful. I think that is probably a huge understatement. What are you hear about her mind set right now?
JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think you hit the nail on the head. Somber is the word. That speech she gave today visibly painful for Hillary Clinton. It was clear she wanted to try to console her supporters but frankly just did not have a lot to work with. The campaign did maintain a media presence on twitter and so on. The last tweet that we saw was a Bible verse from the book of Galatians. Let us not -- what was it here? It was, "Let us not grow weary in doing good." But it was not signed by Hillary Clinton with the character "H," signaling it came directly from her.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHNS (voice-over): Hillary Clinton's bid to become the first woman elected president coming to a painful end.
CLINTON: This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country.
JOHNS: The Democrat urged the country to embrace Donald Trump as the president-elect, and an address to supporters in campaign staff in New York, her first public comments since the outcome of the election became clear.
CLINTON: We must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
JOHNS: President Obama echoing that call and remarks from the Rose Garden.
OBAMA: Everybody is sad when their side loses an election. But the day after, we have to remember that we actually are all on one team.
JOHNS: The President pledging to make sure the transition to a Trump administration is as seem less as possible.
OBAMA: We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country. The peaceful transition of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy. And over the next few months we are going to show that to the world.
JOHNS: Clinton not hiding the impact of the rebuke by voters.
CLINTON: This is painful and it will be for a long time. But I want you to remember this. Our campaign was never about one person or even one election. It was about the country we love.
JOHNS: Her voice breaking with emotion as she spoke to young women who believed in her historic candidacy.
CLINTON: To all the women and especially the young women who put their faith in this campaign and in me, I wanted you to know that nothing has made me prouder than to be your champion.
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JOHNS: In the end it was a stunning defeat, Clinton came up well short in the electoral vote count despite holding a narrow lead in the popular vote with some still left to be counted. The defeat leaving supporters in a state of shock. Some in tears. Consoling each other. Clinton trying to give them a lift today with her words.
CLINTON: I know. I know we have still not shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling. But someday someone will, and hopefully sooner than we might think right now.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) (END VIDEOTAPE)
[19:10:17] JOHNS: After the speech the campaign chairman and the campaign manager spoke to Hillary Clinton's staff in Brooklyn urging them to stay in politics. Since then pretty much radio silence from Hillary Clinton. Though we were told she expected to come back here to her home. Back to you, Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Joe Johns, thank you very much. And breaking news right now. We cannot tell you Hillary Clinton has won New Hampshire. Certified vote totals in that state now in showing Clinton did win New Hampshire. That nail biter. The electoral vote count now 290 for Trump, 232 for Clinton. That of course still leaves Michigan outstanding.
OUTFRONT, David Gergen who served as advisor to four presidents. S.E. Cupp, our political commentator. Mark Preston, Dana Bash also joining me. Kayleigh McEnany, Donald Trump supporter and conservative columnist. Bakari Sellers, Clinton supporter, former member of the South Carolina House of Representatives. Paris Dennard, for a Trump and former White House Black Outreach Director for President George W. Bush. And Maria Cardona.
Thanks to all for being with me. Let me just start with you Mark Preston here. New Hampshire, obviously at this point the electoral, you know, that is over. But that is still a victory for her to be able to say she has New Hampshire --
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Right.
BURNETT: For her supporters. I mean, I heard Maria Cardona over there saying, yes, these matters to a lot of people when they look at their moral situation here.
PRESTON: Yes. I mean, look, I mean, she lost though. I mean, the bottom-line is, she's lost twice and she's got nowhere to go from this. To Maria's point though they did pick up a Senate seat in New Hampshire which is critical. Because Democrats are going to do have a lot of trouble in Congress going into 2018 where the odds are stacked against them. No matter what happens in the Trump presidency in the next couple of years, Democrats, you know, have an uphill battle but, you know, the fact of the matter is, she wasn't able to get it done, she wasn't been able to excite her base in key states. And --
BURNETT: Right.
PRESTON: And you know, so she did pick it up today, to find a little solace but still --
BURNETT: And we're going to talk much more obviously with a definitive Electoral College win. But the popular vote right now still indicating that she will have that. That split of course we've only seen once this century with Al Gore. But let me talk about today, David what we saw with the market. Dow futures were plunging last night. Traders outside of the United States sending it down, you know, nearly 900 points. It closed up today, resoundingly so. Okay? Resoundingly so. Thousand point swing. After all the doom and gloom, you heard people out there saying, all of these bad things would happen in the market. Today the exact opposite on a Trump victory.
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: Good news for Donald Trump. Just as it was early on for the Brexit voters. You know, people who saw the markets get better than people I expected. Well, you pointed out before we came on the air, a big part of that swing is the initial reaction, the negative reaction came in the foreign markets where there is a lot of jittery investors and there is a lot of terror among foreign policy people. But when the U.S. markets open, that is when the swing came.
I think that is a big part of it. But it is also true that people, investors here are taking a hard look at his economic plan and the fact that he is going to provide fiscal stimulus that they think will be on large order starting with tax cuts and then investments and infrastructure. Both of those things add fuel to the economy and you can get higher interest rates and as you know, investors looking at all of that and say, that is good news, let's support it.
BURNETT: And Dana, you know, when you look at what happened today, it was a country showing that people could rise to the best. And it started with Donald Trump. At 3:00 in the morning.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It did.
BURNETT: When he came down and he was gracious and he was generous. And he reached out. Clinton took about nine hours. And one would presume she was probably physically unable to come out when she first heard the news that she had lost. When she did speak though, there was a lot of emotion in her voice as well. Here she is.
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CLINTON: I know how disappointed you feel because I feel it too. And so do tens of millions of Americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This is painful. And it will be for a long time.
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BURNETT: Raw and personal.
BASH: Absolutely.
BURNETT: A side of her we didn't see this election.
BASH: Exactly. And it is the side of her we saw after she lost in 2008. It's the side of her we saw after -- within that primary process she lost the Iowa caucuses and went on to New Hampshire and she had that famous moment where she got emotional.
BURNETT: Right.
BASH: Now, I'm not saying that, you know, she needs to show her emotions on her sleeve because if she did that all the time, then she would have other problems. But what she did do there was appeared to show her real self. And that is always what happens. Doesn't matter who you are, what gender, what party, when a candidate loses, especially loses this big and in this much of a public way and you know, in this case a big surprise for her, all of your defenses are down and you have nothing but your raw self. And I think that was so clear today. And it always happens, it is inevitable that people say, where was that person? Where was that candidate? And it is because they're not guarded in that moment.
[19:15:26] BURNETT: Right. Right. And when you know the winner and the loser, it is easy to have empathy for side if you were on the other side.
BASH: Exactly. That is right.
BURNETT: S.E., today you had, you know, a George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Mitt Romney, obviously I know you didn't support Trump. Those are people more were on the line of where you are, politics are. But even on the other side, you had Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi saying they are going to work with Donald Trump. Elizabeth Warren.
S.E. CUPP, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right.
BURNETT: I mean, those two have said some of the nastiest things about each other, of anybody in this race.
CUPP: Turns out on the day after the election, grown-ups come back. I mean, the election really does change you. People take it very personally. Most of us at heart are partisan and we've all been fighting and working for a really long time on either end of it or covering it. And but at the end of the day, the country still needs running. And I so actually thought it was really nice to see people from both wings. The progressive wing, the right that didn't support Donald Trump come out and say listen, we've got to grow up.
BURNETT: Yes.
CUPP: We've got to come together. This is going to be important. We still have a lot of challenges. And as, you know, as crazy as this turn of events is, this is the reality. Let's move on and get to work.
BURNETT: So, Kayleigh, let's talk this, right? Definitive electoral victory for Donald Trump. When you look at the popular vote, Hillary Clinton is ahead there as of latest count. Even in state, the Trump won Pennsylvania 68,000 votes out, that is millions of votes cast. Right? You could call it a mandate or you could call it a deeply divided country that needs outreach. Will Trump be able to do the latter?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes and I agree with you entirely that this is a country that does needs outreach. There are deep divisions here. And Donald Trump when he came out last night, and was very big in that moment and he praised Hillary Clinton and he praised her hard work. And then he went on to say something that I think is really important. He said, this is a movement of people of all races and all religions and today he's had a few anecdotal encounters with Hillary supporters who said, you know, what?
I can get behind ethics reform, I can get behind taking my government back. That actually makes a lot of sense to me. When I step back and take the partisanship out of it. What Donald Trump is saying makes sense. And I think a lot of people are going to wake up of all racist and religions that said, they're part of the movement of taking the government back to --
BURNETT: So, Bakari, Kayleigh is saying she's cease it as outreach is needed. Trump's campaign manager and Paul Ryan don't see that it way exactly. Let's just play what they had to say today.
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KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER: He's being given a mandate.
RYAN: What Donald Trump just pulled off is an enormous political feat. He just earned a mandate.
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BURNETT: OK. Mandate. Twice.
BAKARI SELLERS, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, we've had a difference of opinion of definitions of words throughout this campaign and we'll have another difference right now because it's not a mandate. Barack Obama came in with 350 electoral votes and his first race he came in with 330 in a second. Hillary Clinton actually has a popular vote. So, his mandate, whatever we want to call it, I don't think it is that but he does come in today as the winner. And in politics all that matters is who wins the race.
BURNETT: That is right.
SELLERS: It doesn't matter if you get 270 --
BURNETT: Not about the margin. It is about the victory.
SELLERS: So Donald Trump is the president of the United States. I will do everything I can to make sure he's successful. The way he treated Mitch McConnell, the way he treated Barack Obama or anybody else. Any Democrat that will not do anything he can to make sure he's successful is not doing the country service. However, I will say that today is a devastating day for many people when they woke up this morning. My daughter was inconsolable this morning for many Arab- Americans and immigrants and African-Americans. Many young women.
Today was a very difficult day. And the reason being is because there are many of us who will do everything we can to make sure Donald Trump is successful but still believe he does not represent what's best for the country. Does not represent who we are. And Donald Trump, his biggest burden is to unify this country. The conundrum is last night he showed that he didn't have to unify the country to be successful. So I don't know why anyone wants me to believe that he'll unify the country today. BURNETT: Paris?
PARIS DENNARD, TRUMP NATIONAL DIVERSITY COALITION MEMBER: Look, at the end of the day, there are a lot of fragile communities that are suffering. They are black, they are brown. They are Appalachia. They are Republican, they are Democrat and when you look out at this decisive victory, I think it is a mandate. You look at the people who said, we need change. We need somebody who is going to help us. We need jobs. Student loan debt is out of control. And these people are the once who came to vote. The pollsters missed it.
They didn't poll them. Didn't talk to them. Didn't understand where they came from. But there was undercurrent of people supporting Donald Trump who found him to be aspirational. Eight percent of African American which is better than what Mitt Romney. The national diversity coalition for Trump was out there from the begging, doing these positive things to help move this narrative. And I believe Mr. Trump is going to continue this engagement and be the leader that people who voted for him know that he can be.
[19:20:14] BURNETT: All right. We're going to talk about the polls and exactly how this happened in just a moment.
Next, how Donald Trump redrew the electoral map because she truly did. John King, breaking it down at the magic wall.
Plus, what Trump's loyal supporters got right?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was your faith ever shaken? Did you think the polls were ever wrong?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I thought the polls were wrong from the beginning.
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BURNETT: And Donald Trump's close friend of nearly 40 years was with Trump last night as the results came in. Tom Baric is my guest OUTFRONT.
And we're watching anti-Trump protests across the country tonight. We'll be right back.
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[19:24:47] BURNETT: Breaking news. President-Elect Donald Trump getting ready to lead the nation. His stunning victory has shocked the nation and the world. So, how did he do it? Pulling off the biggest upset in modern political history. Perhaps a political history overall.
John King is OUTFRONT. And John, I like people around the world were glued to you last night. County by county, state by state. Break it down, how did Donald Trump win? JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR, "INSIDE POLITICS": Remember Erin, back in
2008, we talked about Barack Obama, then-Senator Obama, now President Obama turned all those red states blue. He turned Colorado. He turned Indiana. He turned North Carolina. That's what Donald Trump did last night. Let me to go the math here. Pennsylvania, we haven't quite called Michigan, it's very close. But we'll call it probably for Trump pretty soon and the hours ahead. Wisconsin here. Ohio was a swing state normally. Florida, Iowa.
What is the pattern here? A lot of the states right across the American heartland. Right? Let's go back in time. 2012, President Obama carried them all. 2008, President Obama carried them all. Donald Trump literally recolored, rewrote the map of the American politics. He did it by winning in the heartland, winning in the industrial Midwest and running it up among whites without a college degree. Working class, blue colored voters who have been the base, the foundation, the energy of the Democratic Party especially in these Midwestern states.
This should be nine points, now ten in Wisconsin. The math has been adjusted but a big win Trump over Romney. Mitt Romney in 2012. A big win in Michigan. Same voters. A big win in Pennsylvania. A big win in Ohio. White, industrial state, middle class, Midwest, rustbelt workers went for Donald Trump in big numbers. Now, there's a myth out there that they came on the woodwork, there's billions of them that we didn't know existed came out and voted for Donald Trump. That is not true.
Donald Trump will be the president of the United States. He won. The Republicans won the election. Donald Trump got 1.1 million votes fewer than John McCain in 2008. Two million votes fewer than Mitt Romney four years ago. He won because Democrats stayed home. Not because the secret Republicans came out here to the polls.
BURNETT: All right. Which obviously answers a big question a lot of people watching have. And the other thing that this came down to is something that Trump knew from the beginning and he pounded the table on it again and again and again. It came down to the economy.
KING: And he took a lot of cues from the Bernie Sanders, let's be honest about this.
BURNETT: Yes.
KING: Let's go through some of these things. That's a different one here. Let me pull this up. Now, it's just barely, the national exit polls, Donald Trump had the advantage on who is best to handle the economy. Just barely over Secretary Clinton. But on this question, does trade take U.S. jobs away. Two-thirds of the voters yesterday thought trade take you his jobs away and they view Donald Trump as more authentic, more genuine on that issue and it mattered Erin a lot where there are blue collar voters.
I want to come back here to make the point. Let's go back to 2016. And let's pull this up. I just want to show you one thing about what happened last night. I'm not trying to take anything away from the Donald Trump's victory. He won. He won a sweeping election. They did a fantastic job. But this is Wayne County. This is Detroit. Hillary Clinton got 517,022 votes in Wayne County. Excuse me for turning my back. Four years ago, President Obama got 595,000 plus votes out of Wayne County. These are African-American blue collar Democrats out of Detroit.
That is an 83,000 plus difference, right? Between Obama then and Hillary Clinton. Now she's losing the state of Michigan by 11,000 votes. All of them and more are right here in Wayne County. She got the percentages in Wayne County. Sixty seven percent. The percentage looks great. The numbers, she just simply didn't have the numbers. They stayed home. They didn't vote.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, John King. And when you talk about who voted and who didn't. One of the big surprises here as we break this down, Maria, was Hispanics. All right. There were many who said, there is no way anyone who's Hispanic is going to vote for Donald Trump because of the wall, because of the Mexican rapist comment and those people were dead wrong. Twenty nine percent of Latinos voted for Donald Trump. That is more than voted for Mitt Romney. That is a stunning number. When you think about what we heard over the past months, from people like you, what did you get wrong?
MARIA CARDONA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I didn't because these numbers are wrong. And I will tell you why. I have talked about this. The polls, right, time after time in these panels about how they completely undercount the Hispanic vote because they don't go where Hispanics are and they don't talk to Hispanics and Spanish, right? This same with the exit polls -- Erin.
This has happened time and time again. It happened in 2004 where they said, Bush got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, it actually ended up being 40. And when Barack Obama won in 2012, they said, he got 71 percent of the Hispanic votes, it actually was 75. We never tried to change that narrative because who cared. He won.
BURNETT: So, what do you think this real number is going to be? Twenty nine?
CARDONA: I know what the real number is going to be. Latino decisions which is the premier polling knows how to do this, did an election poll and by precinct by precinct analysis today and went through and the numbers are that Hillary Clinton got 79 percent of all Latinos and Donald Trump got 18 percent. The problem is because other Democrats stayed home and there was a wave of white voters. We can't do it all. So we showed up but others didn't.
BURNETT: Very interesting.
[19:29:38] CUPP: What John King said a second ago is really important. And I hope Republicans especially are listening. Trump won fewer votes than McCain and Romney. And that is because Democrats stayed home. What I don't want Republicans to think is that Democrats have been wrong about the changing map of this country.
CARDONA: Uh-hm.
CUPP: Democrats are right. The country is getting younger and it is getting more diverse.
CARDONA: Uh-hm.
[19:30:03] CUPP: They just didn't vote in the numbers that they needed to --
BURNETT: Well, the point that Maria is making is pretty powerful, 18 versus 29 is a huge difference.
CARDONA: That's right. And if you look at Nevada, it was a big reason why Catherine Cortez Masto is now the first senator. If you look at Colorado, it's a big reason Bennett got reelected. And if you look at Arizona, it's a big reason why Joe Arpaio is no longer in office.
SELLERS: But this is a good point, because I've been bringing this up all day. I mean, at the end of the day, I think David Gergen and Mark Preston and Dana Bash -- sorry, S.E., but they're like --
CARDONA: Where are you going with this?
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SELLERS: They know politics better than anybody in the business, but it's very simple. Either you show up or you don't. Politics is very, very simple. The Hillary Clinton campaign had a model. And I stated this earlier, that the winner of this campaign had to get 65 million votes to be president of the United States. The winner of this campaign got 59 million.
BURNETT: You do have other people running. I mean, there was something slightly different this time than last time.
SELLERS: But you always have a third party candidate running. But I mean, the model doesn't change.
But the fact is -- the fact is there were 6 million Democratic voters. This is on us. Donald, this is not a wave. This is not a tsunami.
BURNETT: Let's talk about the black vote. She did 88 percent. Of course, Obama did better of course. Gore did better. She tied John Kerry.
Barack Obama went out and said to the African American community, you must vote to preserve my legacy. They did not comply with that in the numbers needed for her to win.
SELLERS: First of all, the premise of your question is off. But I will say that African American did not come out in the numbers they came out with for Barack Obama. One, I don't know if we know yet but Hillary Clinton is white and there was a lot of history with -- BURNETT: Al Gore did better. Al Gore is not African American.
SELLERS: But also, you cannot deny some things that happened in this country. The different between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump right now in Wisconsin for example is 27,000 votes I believe John King said. What we also know is that 300,000 people who didn't comply with the strict voter ID laws there. This is not Donald Trump's outreach --
BASH: Since you clearly referred to us as gray beards, let me earn --
(LAUGHTER)
SELLERS: I said experts Dana. Experts.
BASH: I know, experts. So, that's millennial for old. I get it.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he a millennial?
BASH: Candidates matter. And you can do all of the modeling and the demographics and the percentages and, you know, voters are going to vote and we have to get them out. They are not going get out and vote -- don't. Hold on. Until and unless they are not only excited about somebody but really feel compelled by their story, by their message, by what they are going to do when they get into that building there.
And Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate for the wrong time --
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BASH: And Donald Trump captured lightning in a bottle.
BURNETT: Can we show because talked about this over the past few days multiple times? And you said it was possible. And it happened.
The polls did show this. Dewey defeats Truman.
GERGEN: We what?
BURNETT: Dewey defeats Truman.
GERGEN: Absolutely.
BURNETT: It just happened. It is something that no one in this country. I just wanted to put it up again. Obviously, you didn't get the headline. It was too late to even get the headline but with online that doesn't happen.
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BURNETT: But -- right, you are a millennial you don't know what that it is.
Yes? GERGEN: Let me make one point. I just feel like after we all got it so wrong, after we did not know what was coming, we did not anticipate. We spent a lot of money. So did the campaign spent a lot of money.
The day after it seems we ought to be a little humble in explaining to people what happened. I don't think we know what happened.
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GERGEN: Hold on a second, you know, we go from saying here is what's going to happen with absolute certainty and it doesn't happen and we turn around and said, let me tell you what they did wrong. We don't know what the hell they did wrong.
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MCENANY: We do know what happened. Paris and I have been talking about this for months and months on end in calling this. When you circle Wayne County and you see that immense turnout of blue collar workers, disenfranchised workers who Republicans haven't spoken to and Democrats haven't spoken to. They showed up. And they said, enough of electing politicians.
SELLERS: No, no, in Wayne County, nothing but black people showed up, and what John King showed is not enough black people.
BURNETT: Right.
SELLERS: Dana, that point was brilliant. And the reason it was brilliant --
BASH: You can stop.
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BURNETT: Finish your sentence and then we're going to stop for a moment.
SELLERS: The reason that it was brilliant is that one of the things that we saw in the numbers was that the people who did not come out for Hillary Clinton the way she thought were African-American men. And you have to ask.
MCENANY: They didn't show up because they have been failed by the Democratic party.
SELLERS: But you have to ask yourself why? And one of the things that was a stickler nobody pays attention to is you have to go back to the '94 crime bill. I was sitting down having a beer today and somebody today actually said, you know, people do not forget that there's a whole generation lost.
[19:35:02] The super predator comment. All of those things came back.
MCENANY: Because the Democrat have failed them. The Democrats have failed them for 30 years --
BURNETT: Pause for a moment. After you admit to drinking before coming on the set, one of the main reasons Donald Trump --
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BURNETT: -- is the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, defying all the polls, becoming the first Republican nominee to win there since George W. Bush in 1988. That is a feat. Why did Hillary Clinton failed to resonate in a state that seemed to be so reliably blue?
Miguel Marquez is OUTFRONT.
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MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the Trump faithful, never a moment of doubt.
BURT BROWNLEE, DONALD TRUMP VOTER: Oh, I thought the polls were wrong from the beginning. I thought there were a lot of people out there like me that didn't go out and talk about it every day or never got polled but felt very strongly about Donald Trump.
MARQUEZ (on camera): Did you think the polls are wrong?
MARGARET MCANANY, DONALD TRUMP VOTER: Yes, because I never thought that Hillary would get in, because she is just too sly.
MARQUEZ (voice-over): For months, Clinton was consistently up in the polls across Pennsylvania. On Election Day, 70 percent of Washington County voters stood in line, some for hours, most for Trump.
(on camera): What is it about this place that made it tournament for Donald Trump?
BILL BARNES, DONALD TRUMP VOTER: Everybody is sick and tired of the lies.
MARQUEZ (voice-over): Bill Barnes a house painter says work has been slim and expects Trump to turn that around.
BARNES: He's not a politician. That's the problem. There are too many professional liars running our country. That is what they are, professional liars. They make a job of standing around and going, I'll do anything you tell me to do until I get in there.
MARQUEZ: It's counties like this, outside the big cities that made Trump president-elect.
In 2008, Obama only won 12 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties but still won the state by more than 5 points. Clinton won 11 counties in Pennsylvania, five of them by narrow margins.
One of the biggest issues here? The cost of Obamacare.
CODY SPENCE, DONALD TRUMP VOTER: My health insurance alone, just for me, you are looking at almost 360 bucks a month.
MARQUEZ: For Clinton's urban supporters, the Trump victory?
(on camera): What is your over riding emotion this morning?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Disappointment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shock.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shock.
MARQUEZ (voice-over): Feels like the country has changed for worse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did this happen? But it did.
MARQUEZ (on camera): What do you feel today?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I feel today is just -- just preparing myself to see what's gonna happen.
MARQUEZ: Do you feel like something bad is on the horizon?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh yes. Oh yes. I definitely do.
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MARQUEZ: So this is Washington, that other Washington. Washington, Pennsylvania, that went so big for Hillary Clinton. It wasn't because she didn't try. He had hundreds of staffers here. She spent tens of millions of dollars in advertisements and she opened offices, 56 of them. This is one of them they are shutting down right now.
But no matter she did, she could not overcome that desire on voters here to dismantle the establishment -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Miguel.
When you look at the cost per vote, Donald Trump criticized for the lack of those field offices is his cost per vote also perhaps setting a record.
OUTFRONT now, the senior senator from Michigan, Debbie Stabenow. She was a Hillary Clinton supporter.
And, Senator Stabenow, thank you very much.
SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D), MICHIGAN: Hi.
BURNETT: Last time your state voted Republican very similar, of course, to Pennsylvania, George H.W. Bush in 1988.
STABENOW: Right.
BURNETT: It looks like we are close to calling Michigan for Trump. Haven't gotten there yet.
STABENOW: Right.
BURNETT: Do you think that's the way this is going to go? And --
STABENOW: I do. About 13,000 votes, we've never seen anything so close. It's basically a tie. But it is extremely close, about 13,000 votes, 0.27 percent.
BURNETT: Point-two-seven percent. I mean, close but yet, as we've been saying, a win is a win. We get one more vote than the person, Donald Trump is going to get those 16 electoral votes.
STABENOW: Exactly.
BURNETT: Obviously, he doesn't even need them at this point.
But you didn't think it was going to go this way. Our Jessica Schneider was in your state.
STABENOW: Right.
BURNETT: She asked you about this last week. Let me just play exactly what you said to her when she said, is Donald Trump wasting his time coming to Michigan again and again? Here's is what you said.
STABENOW: Yes.
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JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Trump campaign saying the Hillary campaign is panicking, are they?
STABENOW: No. Absolutely not. Wishful thinking on their part.
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BURNETT: Look, you know the state.
STABENOW: Right.
BURNETT: You were born in the state. You have served in the public office for four decades in state of Michigan. What did you miss?
STABENOW: You know, first of all, let me say that this really is about people. Even when we look at all the numbers and all, you know, all the things you guys talk about and everybody has been talking about. I think what is clear is that the folks who feel left out and behind in this recovery wanted change and were willing to overlook a lot of faults, a lot of things in order to get change.
[19:40:02] I mean, for them, they don't trust any of the establishment, and they want change.
And so, what I'm hopeful for, because these are the people I fight for every day. I mean, these are the folks that I put bills to the floor to close loopholes, to bring jobs home. And I'm hopeful that and it will be interesting to see if Donald Trump can get his Republican colleagues who have been opposing bills that I've had and other Democrats have had to actually now come around and be supportive of things like my bill to close a loophole that allows a company to leave and taxpayers to pay for the move overseas, which is outrageous. And I've been trying to get that passed for six years.
BURNETT: That's something Trump in many ways, it sounds like he agrees with you.
STABENOW: Exactly.
BURNETT: I mean, are you going to work with him? Do you see room to work with President Trump?
STABENOW: If he's willing to follow through on what he said about a rigged system and helping people in closing loopholes and supporting my bring the job home bill, sure. I think the challenge is --
BURNETT: You see rigged system in some places. He's right about.
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STABENOW: I think there's a rigged system. We as Democrats have been saying that there has been a rigged -- now, I'm not saying rigged voting system. I'm saying economically, too many benefits go to those at the top. Not enough to middle class people. Too many people have fallen out of the middle class and that does mean closing tax loopholes that only benefit the rich, fair trade policies, focusing on the cost of college.
BURNETT: So --
STABENOW: All of these things that frankly we have been talking about for a long time and we couldn't --
BURNETT: And Donald Trump is a very unconventional Republican. Looks like he has very specifically on that tax loophole issue room to work with you.
I want to ask you something really important though, because we've been talk about how the African-American vote, the black vote, there wasn't the turnout. That hurt her. Women -- women, in Michigan, 53 percent of women voted for Hillary Clinton. That's a majority. But you know the numbers. Barack Obama he got 57 percent in 2012. He got 60 percent in 2008.
Women -- why did women not support Hillary Clinton in your state, as the first female nominee for president of this country?
STABENOW: You know, Erin, it's very disappointing to me and I think we're going to have to spend time listening and finding out why that was. Because I've said since the beginning, if the women of this country want a woman president, we'll have a woman president.
And I think for those of us who really believe this is time, and that this is an ultimately (ph) qualified person to step in, I'm very proud of Hillary and what she's done, it's something that we have to thoughtfully look at and figure out. And I'm -- she's gotten closer than anybody else, and I'm counting on the fact that sooner rather than later, we're going to get all the way there. But that was disappointing.
BURNETT: All right. Senator, thank you very much. I appreciate your time.
STABENOW: You're welcome.
BURNETT: Coming on, talking about this today.
And next, could Rudy Giuliani be the next attorney general? What about Newt Gingrich as secretary of state? New details on the Trump administration. A lot of decisions to make really quickly.
Plus, the man who was in the room with Trump when the results came in. Investor Tom Barrack, close Trump friend, business associate for decades, joins me next.
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[19:47:06] BURNETT: Breaking news: President-elect Trump's transition to the White House is underway. Tomorrow, meeting with President Obama and the Oval Office. Melania Trump will be meeting with the first lady, Michelle Obama, in the White House residence in a private meeting, one on one.
Tonight, we're getting a first glimpse as to who could be in Trump's cabinet.
Tom Foreman is OUTFRONT.
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MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT: The president-elect of the United States of America, Donald Trump.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The gold rush of White House jobs is on, and the top prospect may well be Reince Priebus.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT: Reince, come up here. Where is Reince? Get over here, Reince.
FOREMAN: Chairman of the Republican national committee for months, he worked to keep the party's base in line and the candidate on message. He's close to Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and a contender for chief of staff. He already sounds like one.
REINCE PRIEBUS, CHAIRMAN, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: He's not calling for mass deportation. Only people who have a committed crimes and only until all of that is taken care of do we look at what we're going to do next.
FOREMAN: Secretary of state, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is a maybe and more than willing to tackle Trump's critics.
NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: You are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy.
FOREMAN: Former New York mayor and prosecutor, Rudy Giuliani, has been a reliable public prosecutor, too.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: If you didn't know the moment Monica Lewinsky said that Bill Clinton violated her, that she was telling the truth, than you're too stupid to be president.
FOREMAN: He may be under consideration for director for Homeland Security, or attorney general, along with New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, one of the first big names to jump aboard the Trump train.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: We need a first class president and we're going to have it in Donald Trump.
FOREMAN: Other possible matches: billionaire businessman Carl Icahn for treasury secretary. Retired Army General Michael Flynn for national security advisor, and Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, another early defender for secretary of defense.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Are you actively vetting people as we speak right now for positions?
KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Yes, because we're going to win, so we have to get ready to form a government.
FOREMAN: Even before the election, the Trump team was considering places for numerous strategists and aides. Kellyanne Conway. Sean Spicer. Hope Hicks. And tough-talking campaign chief executive, Steve Bannon.
STEVE BANNON, TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHIEF EXECUTIVE: What we need to do is (EXPLETIVE DELETED) slap the Republican Party and get those guys heeding to, and if we have to, we'll take it over.
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FOREMAN: Of course, all of this is nothing really but educated guesses right now. We don't really know what they are going to be up to and certainly some of Donald Trump's more polarizing positions could keep some of the mainstream Washington players at arm's length, unwilling to step into that White House.
But we do know this about D.C., Erin, whenever there is a job open close to power, there is always someone here ready take it.
BURNETT: That's for sure.
All right, Tom. Thank you very much.
And OUTFRONT now, Tom Barrack, close friend, business associate of President-elect Donald Trump for nearly 40 years.
[19:50:02] Tom, you and I have spoken time and time again throughout this entire process. There have been highs and there have been lows. President-elect Donald Trump, has it sunk in for you and for Trump himself yet?
TOM BARRACK, CLOSE FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP: Of course. Look, I think it sunk in, I was with him last night and this morning. The best side of President-elect Trump has come out, which is empathy and humility and compassion. Things that you and I have talked about in the past that the viewing population thought we were out of our minds.
So, you know, what's happening is you are moving from candidate Trump to President Trump. And I analogize it to candidate Trump was like a UFC fighter in the middle of an octagon. And he was a martial artist using every tool he could to convey a message.
By the way, the message that only he really understood, right, against all advice, as we were telling him to pivot and be more presidential. He said, of course, I can do that. That is not the message I want to convey.
And I think last night, you saw the real Donald Trump, humble, kind, compassionate, with a simple agenda. And the agenda is to heal the divide, settle the wounds, calm the country. You saw the market this morning open down on fears. And by the end of the day, it is up.
So, consistency --
BURNETT: Yes.
BARRACK: -- the ability to have consensus across the board. Will be like President Reagan.
I think you can see in the next two weeks, you are talking about the cabinet candidates. And one of the big telling signs how this administration will operate is the first five big jobs, right? You take State, Defense, Treasury, chief of staff, Homeland Security, CIA.
And if you remember Reagan, an actor from Eureka College with little foreign experience appointed James Baker in the first week of his electorate. And then followed it with Cap Weinberger, George Shultz, Richard Allen and the world calmed.
So, I think it is a great opportunity for America to come together. Remember we're one team. Put all of this anguish behind us. Give this man a chance. I think him playing the role of president, people will be shocked how good he'll be.
BURNETT: So, let me ask you that. Because, you know, you were one of the people as you just -- you were open about it. Be more presidential. Pivot. And he didn't want to hear it.
But you are now saying that he is going to be the man that this country saw at 3:00 in the morning giving a gracious and somber speech saying that he wanted to unify the nation, reaching outlet to Hillary Clinton. Do you truly believe that that is the man that will govern? That that is the man that America will see consistently day in and day out?
BARRACK: Look, a thousand percent. He knows that his first objective right now is to build a bridge to this divide, number one, first and foremost. Reach out to the other side. Unite this country and then create an agenda.
So, all of these things people are afraid of. What wall is he going to build? He's going to build a wall with understanding, right? This is America. You can't as a president be a dictator and walk out and be a brunt.
He'll be calm, he'll be slow. He'll be considerate. He'll be thoughtful. He'll shock his offenders.
And for the victors, I tell all of our peers today, you have to give up hubris. You have to give up the arrogance of victory and reach out to the other side and say now we're really going to build a consensus on these difficult issues together, on immigration, on tax reform, on foreign policy, on the Middle East, on all of the --
BURNETT: OK.
BARRACK: -- items that were so difficult in the past.
BURNETT: All right. Well, Tom, thank you very much. I know there are a lot of people who hope that you say is true, who are skeptical. Some of them sitting here, but I know that they hope that is exactly what this country sees.
OK, my panel is back with me. Kirsten Powers joins me as well.
Kirsten, let me give you chance. Tomorrow is a big day. Barack Obama going to meet with Donald Trump. Michele Obama going to meet with Melania Trump. That meeting is crucial tomorrow morning between Barack Obama and Donald Trump.
KIRSTEN POWERS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, and very historic. And I think, based on what we saw with Donald -- I'm sorry, with Barack Obama's speech today, I think he's really set a very conciliatory tone and I would give anything to be a fly on that wall in the meeting tomorrow, to see how he interacts with Donald Trump. He clearly has a lot of differences with, but who I think he really does want to see succeed and wants impart whatever kind of knowledge he has that can help him succeed and how will Donald Trump respond.
BURNETT: You know, that is exactly how Barack Obama spoke today about George W. Bush.
POWERS: Absolutely.
BURNETT: In terms of wanting him to succeed.
Do you believe he really is going to reach out to Donald Trump, do everything he can to make him succeed? That is how Barack Obama sounded today. He sounded sincere.
PARIS DENNARD, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, look, I think President Obama wants to do that, because I was at the White House for four years with President Bush, and at the end of the term, President Bush went out of his way to tell all of the staff be respectful, be kind, do all you can do to make this a good transition for the next guy coming in.
[19:55:06] We want to have a smooth transition for him.
And I believe President Obama appreciated that, and he wants to do the same thing for Mr. Trump, because at the end of the day, he wants Mr. Trump to succeed and to fill in that legacy. He talked about the Secretary Clinton fulfilling the legacy? There is a gap of people who really need Mr. Trump to lead, and I think he's going to fill it.
BURNETT: Maria?
CARDONA: I really hope that Trump is right and that the tone that Trump used last night is the one that we can count on. But there is nothing that he did in the year and a half of campaigning that leads us to believe that is the case. He's got to remember that he's not only the president for the people who came out to support him, he is the president for many communities whom he has offended in the last year and a half.
So, I will be waiting to hear that kind of outreach, because right now, they are hurting. Kids are hurting. Kids are worried about what's going to happen in these communities.
MCENANY: I think you are going to see that kind of outreach. Donald Trump, one of the things I admired so much about him in the campaign is, Paris remembers, he brought in a diversity coalition. He listened. He brought in Latinos. He listened.
He went to these communities. First Republican candidate to ever have a cohesive message to the African-American community. He's going to be --
CARDONA: They don't feel that way right now. Feel that way.
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CARDONA: The majority, how about that? The majority of African- Americans and the Latinos do not feel that way.
DENNARD: That's not true.
BURNETT: Well, in terms of the vote. Certainly, the majority of them --
CARDONA: Absolutely.
BURNETT: -- did vote the other way.
Thanks to all. More of our historic coverage, well, it is historic, as the hold event is historic, coming up next. We'll be right back.
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BURNETT: And thank you so much for joining us.
Our coverage of this historic election continues with Anderson Cooper and "AC360".
