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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT next:
Trump's national security team in disarray as his national security adviser is ousted from his post. A new image shows Mike Waltz in the White House using the very same app that landed him in hot water in the first place.
Plus, breaking news, $1 billion. That is what Apple tonight is saying Trump's trade war will cost them in just three months, as U.S. manufacturing takes a major hit the first time in years. Ives, Einstein, whiteboard are coming up.
And more breaking news. A last-minute scramble. The U.S. racing to ease tensions between India and Pakistan. Pakistan saying it is credible evidence India would attack this week. Both nuclear powers were live on the ground tonight.
So, let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett.
OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, America's national security team in disarray. Trump removing Mike Waltz as national security advisor and replacing him for now with Marco Rubio, who currently now has four titles, including secretary of state. He's also head of USAID, head of the National Archives and tonight, serving as national security advisor, something his own spokesperson had no idea was even going down until our own Kylie Atwood read her President Trump's announcement.
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TAMMY BRUCE, STATE DEPARTMENT PRESS SECRETARY: It is clear that I just heard this from you.
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BURNETT: All right, completely honest there from Tammy Bruce, Trump's own team finding out from CNN.
But according to Vice President Vance, that's not -- that's not odd. Theres nothing to see here. A sudden vacancy for a full-time, all in, national security adviser is not a concern. In fact, being removed from the role of national security advisor is a promotion for Mike Waltz.
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BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS HOST: Why was Mike Waltz let go?
J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So, he wasn't let go. He is being made ambassador to the United Nations, which, of course, is a Senate-confirmed position. I think he can make a good argument that it's promotion.
BAIER: Was it a direct result of the Signal chat?
I mean, you were on that chat and we saw the fallout from it. Is this a result of that?
VANCE: No, it's not, Bret.
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BURNETT: Okay, Trump is naming Waltz to U.N. ambassador. It does require Senate confirmation.
Now, here's the thing about that. If you want to know what Trump has thought about U.N. ambassador and the importance of that role before, go no further than Tim Alberta's great profile of Nikki Haley. You could see what he thought then, but also at the same time, there was one senator who talked about Nikki Haley at the time and Trump's view of it.
He supported Nikki Haley for the role, telling CNN during Trump's first term since Trump was naming her to un, quote, I don't think Trump gives a S-H-blank-T about the U.N. You get it.
So that puts the whole idea of a promotion to be the ambassador to the U.N. in a different light, important context. And then the point, J.D. Vance said, about how this had nothing to do with signal. That seems a little odd. Trump's sudden announcement removing Waltz did come just before this image publicly made headlines. I'm going to show it to you. It's a picture from yesterday's cabinet meeting with Trump.
Look what happens when you zoom in. And what you're looking at is a screenshot of Waltz's phone. He's on the Signal app and the very app that he was using, of course, when he accidentally added Jeffrey Goldberg, the journalist from "The Atlantic", to a group chat about planned military strikes in Yemen.
But look who he still messaging. So, this is -- this is now, you see a Rubio, Gabbard, Witkoff, J.D. Vance, oh my gosh, it's all the same people as the original chat group. It's sort of stunning. And here's what -- they can even see. What he's typing.
It says I have confirmation from my counterpart. It's turned off. He is going to be here. I mean, honestly, who needs the privacy of Signal when your chat on the app can be photographed and every other person in your groups name can be photographed and posted on international news for everyone to see.
So, now that Marco Rubio is doing four jobs and Mike Waltz is not national security advisor, who else is running Americas national security? So there's Tulsi Gabbard, of course, in that Signal chat group, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.
And as for Hegseth, we are learning tonight of a new investigation into one of his signal chats, the one that included his wife and brother. Keep in mind, Hegseth is the one. If this comes down to Signal and Waltz putting Goldberg in the chat, Hegseth is the one who posted the entire military strike plan to -- to hit Yemen in the chat. In the chat with his family and friends and the one with Mike Waltz, the confidential actual strike plan.
But Waltz is gone, and Hegseth job tonight appears to be safe.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think he's going to be a very good defense, hopefully a great defense secretary, but he'll be a very good defense secretary.
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BURNETT: So, for now, Trump has Hegseth's back, even though he's the one who posted the top-secret plans but not Mike Waltz. Even though Waltz really went to the mat in these recent days, he flew to Joint Base Andrews with Trump on Marine One.
As you can see, he did not board Air Force One with the president, though, so he went, but he didn't actually get on the plane. He remained on the tarmac. Others headed for Michigan, 24 hours later, though, Waltz went out of his way to heap praise on Trump again and again at a cabinet meeting.
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MIKE WALTZ, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: We've had 100 days of your leadership with -- with respect -- with strength under your leadership, far more terrorists are no longer threatening the homeland. You showing that follow up and that in that justice, has been incredible. It's an honor to serve you in this administration. And I think the world is far better, far safer.
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BURNETT: I mean, he didn't -- didn't just do a few words there. That was yesterday, though. Apparently, he found out his fate this morning. After that meeting, the White House posted an image of Waltz, along with Marco Rubio and Commerce Secretary Scott Bessent.
Waltz was all smiles. Then again, that was hours before. Apparently, he got the news.
Jeff Zeleny is OUTFRONT live outside the White House.
So, Jeff, what are you learning about why President Trump decided now, this moment is the time to get rid of Waltz?
JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Erin, I mean, it's been very clear here at the White House that Waltz's influence has been waning ever since the group chat really heard around the world. But when you listen to his words in the cabinet room yesterday, they were pretty unremarkable at the time because every member of the cabinet was -- you know, trying to suck up to the president in some respects, if you will.
But listening back, it's interesting. Was he trying to save his current job, apply for his next job? Unclear.
But the bottom line after talking to officials here all day long, it's clear that the president had grown weary of Waltz because he is the person who invited Jeffrey Goldberg from "The Atlantic" into the group discussion in the first place. But also, it was more than that we were learning.
The outside MAGA influencers, Laura Loomer and others have been really going after Mike Waltz initially. Look, he has the view of the foreign policy view that's much more hawkish than the president, and he is not really adapted his views. So, the signal was the reason. But there was also so much pent-up frustration building from the outside.
When you kind of ask yourself, why would Waltz go and Pete Hegseth stay? Pete Hegseth was on Air Force One that day. He did board the plane and he is staying. He's a Senate confirmed position, so there was a lot of skin in the game to get him confirmed, there's no doubt.
But he's also liked by the outside. And so, the idea now that Marco Rubio is going to be wearing all these different hats, it's very interesting because the proximity to the president is the most important thing, certainly in this administration. So now he will just be steps from the Oval Office as well as an office across town at the State Department, which requires him to fly around the world.
But here, he likes to be, we're told, essentially near the president does not like to be on the road for more than a couple days at a time. So, Marco Rubio certainly wins in this. He's ascending.
But, Erin, one person I talked to earlier tonight said one of the reasons he thinks it came today, the president wanted to change the conversation about the economy.
BURNETT: Yeah. Well, and in -- to some extent, right, he was able to do that.
All right. Jeff Zeleny, thank you very much.
I want to go now to Democratic Congressman Pat Ryan of New York. He's on the House Armed Services Committee and served two combat tours in Iraq.
And, Congressman, I really appreciate you taking the time.
So, you know, let me just show again the photo of Mike Waltz on Signal yesterday. So this was the picture taken right where he's in the group, there's a group chat that has Tulsi Gabbard, J.D. Vance, they're all in it. The same ones who were in the original one during the cabinet meeting. And then you zoom in, you could actually read the message that was being typed.
You know, when -- when you see this image, you know, what do you see? What do you think when you look at the photo?
REP. PAT RYAN (D-NY): Well, it's clear when there's no accountability for what were grave and thank God, not fatal, but certainly could have been fatal leak of sensitive, classified information when there's no consequences for that. He just continues to double down, triple down on horrible operational security, brazen disregard for more, you know, more than anything, I think its brazen disregard for our young men and women in uniform in harm's way, that he would just make not one, but multiple mistakes with these consequences and be allowed to stay.
When we first heard this news today, by the way, we -- we initially thought, I actually had some hope. Maybe this would be a moment of actual accountability 100 days in, but some actual accountability in the Trump administration. Then a few hours later, we learn it's somewhere between a promotion, demotion, lateral movement.
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It's a $16 million taxpayer funded luxury condo in New York City. So I think at a minimum, there's no accountability here.
So which is an important point. I mean, Vance, tonight, you know, you're referencing you know, he's denying that Trump fired Walter. Let him go. You know, I was referencing back when Nikki Haley got the job and an unnamed senator told CNN Trump doesn't give a S-H-I-T about U.N. -- the U.N. ambassador.
But nonetheless, you point out some pretty important things about the cushiness of of the job, if you look at it that way. But here is how J.D. Vance is spinning the move for Waltz tonight.
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BAIER: Why was Mike Waltz let go?
VANCE: So, he wasn't let go. He is being made ambassador to the United Nations, which, of course, is a Senate-confirmed position. I think he can make a good argument that its promotion. Donald Trump has fired a lot of people he doesn't give them Senate-confirmed appointments afterwards.
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BURNETT: I mean, do you see this as a promotion? I mean, what's going on here? RYAN: I mean, you said it at the top. It's disarray. I mean, whatever
the explanation is, we may never know. I don't even know if internally they know they probably have 3 or 4 different lies and stories are all out there spinning, including the vice president, which is pathetic.
The reality is, regardless of what caused this, this makes our men and women in uniform less safe. It emboldens our adversaries. I mean, imagine watching this as Putin or Xi or the ayatollah and seeing this total chaos. The person who was just sent to negotiate with you, getting the boot, and he didn't even know it a few hours before.
This makes our country less safe. And that is unacceptable.
BURNETT: Yeah. His you know, as you saw, his spokesperson, Tammy Bruce, was very honest. She was like -- well, I just found that out right now. When you told me in a press conference about Marco Rubio moving into that job.
RYAN: One moment of honesty.
BURNETT: Yeah. I mean, and she was, you know, you point out, though, something important, which is this is Waltz. It is not Hegseth, it's not anyone else in the chat. And they all were in the chat. The president has said he doesn't want people. He doesn't think they should be using signal and they're continuing to use it. We see that on the screen grab.
But it was Hegseth in that chat who put in the confidential, sensitive information. He put in information about the military strikes in Yemen before they happened, of what was going to happen and when and where.
All of that information. And yet he -- he's fine. Trump says he's doing a fantastic job. He says he thinks he's going to be a good, if not great defense secretary. You've said he should be fired. I mean, why do you think it is? That Waltz is out and Hegseth is sitting, as you can see here, in that cabinet meeting right next to the president.
RYAN: Loyalty, political loyalty, not loyalty to country or Constitution, but personal political fealty to someone who's increasingly looking like an authoritarian or a king is being put over everything else, over competency, over integrity, over honesty, certainly over accountability.
The good thing, and the reason I'm still optimistic, is the American people are seeing this. Folks in my district two hours north of New York City, they are stopping me on the street and literally saying, what is going on with this guy? How is this acceptable? I've had friends that I served with, say, had I done this in uniform, I would have lost my clearance. I probably would have prosecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
That's what the American people expect. Thats what they deserve, is accountability and law and order, frankly. And they're disregarding it.
And I hope -- I hoped for a minute, as I said, that this was the beginning of some accountability. I now fear that they're doubling down and tripling down, which means Congress and serving on the Armed Services Committee in particular, needs to take more steps.
This week, I actually proposed an amendment to reduce Secretary Hegseth's pay down to a dollar, not something I take lightly, but how can we ask the American taxpayers to continue to pay someone who's so grossly violating his oath to the constitution, putting our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and guardians at risk?
BURNETT: Congressman Ryan, I appreciate your time and thank you very much.
RYAN: Thanks for having me.
BURNETT: All right. And next, we have breaking news on the economy because we are going to talk about it. Apple has come out and said that Trump's trade war is going to cost them $1 billion over just three months. That's just the first three months of it is $1 billion.
GM CEO says it's going to cost General Motors up to $5 billion this year. And you're going to hear more of what she said to me next.
Plus, a Trump appointed judge takes on Trump over deportations. Our legal analyst Ryan Goodman, on why this particular ruling really matters tonight.
And a New York landmark, this one full of mystery and intrigue. It is an awesome place. I love to take my kids there, and I'll explain.
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BURNETT: Breaking news, Apple CEO Tim Cook is now saying just now that Trump's tariffs will add nearly $1 billion to Apple's costs for the current quarter. So that's nearly $1 billion in three months. Okay. That's then continue with the rest of the year. If tariffs continue as they are, things could even get worse as U.S. manufacturing today posted the biggest contraction that we have seen in nearly five years.
That puts you right back to exactly what we've been talking about, right? Those worst early days of COVID. But Vice President J.D. Vance stood up today and said this.
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VANCE: I believe that a golden age of American manufacturing started 100 days ago. I think that the great American manufacturing comeback has begun, and the world has started to take notice.
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BURNETT: Meantime, manufacturing giant General Motors today said that the tariffs will cost them $4 billion to $5 billion over the rest of the year. And I spoke earlier today with GM CEO Mary Barra about the impact of the tariffs on GM.
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BURNETT: I know you've spoken to President Trump directly about the tariffs. When is the last time you spoke to him, and was, it this week post his most recent shift? And has he given you the confidence that this is it, that you actually know the rules of the game and they're not going to change again?
MARY BARRA, CEO OF GENERAL MOTORS: Well, I've had I spoke to the president when I last visited the White House, but I've been speaking to many members of his administration multiple times a day over the last several weeks. So, I've had regular communications and really feel that the White House and the administration are listening to understand the situation.
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BURNETT: Well, if they're listening and understand the situation, it might be possible for Vance to maybe not use the words golden age of American manufacturing over the past 100 days on a day that they came out and announced the biggest contraction in U.S. manufacturing in five years, again since those early days of COVID.
Dan Ives, Peter Tuchman, Jean Chatzky and Philip Bump are all here.
So, Dan, Apple, that's your purview. $1 billion, they say it's going to cost for just the first three months of the tariffs. McDonalds just had its worst quarter since COVID. Manufacturing, worst number in five years.
Kevin Hassett, head of the National Economic Council, did say there would be -- he said, quote, I'd be sure there'll be news by the end of the day regarding a trade deal.
DAN IVES, GLOBAL HEAD OF TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH, WEDBUSH SECURITIES: I don't -- I haven't seen it.
BURNETT: You know, Lutnick said several days ago there was one that was done, done, done, done. We don't know what it is yet. But when you put all these things together in context, and Apple's not putting a number out.
IVES: Look, I think the gm to me is the most striking of them all, because when they gave those numbers, it's a 20 percent cut that essentially they're given in 2025.
BURNETT: Yeah.
IVES: And that's, you know, so many times from the whiteboard to everything we've talked about for the last month. We're trying to explain, like what the actual demand destruction is going to do. Barra is as dialed in as anyone in terms of understanding what this is going to do, 20 percent cut demand destruction that we believe could be 15, 20 percent. And it goes back --
BURNETT: For a year where they -- by the way, already fully forecast numbers of how they thought, how things were going to be, right? Now, they came out and said, well, we don't know what to say. We got it. And then they go back to the drawing board and say, we're going to cut by 20 percent.
IVES: Four to 5 years. As we talked about, to build a factory. I mean, the reality is you could talk about golden age. Tuchman and I are going to build a factory in New Jersey for a T-shirt factory.
I mean, the point is, is that like, let's talk reality versus fiction. You look at GM, that's the math.
BURNETT: And GM math. Apple math. Amazon shares down a little bit because they're also pulling back on their forecasts.
PETER TUCHMAN, TRADER AT THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE: Yeah. But let's look at -- what's so curious is you know we talk about you can bully -- you can't -- you can bully the market, but you can't bully the bond market.
Look at the market. Eight days of significant rallies in the market. We've gone back for stocks, right? Which is kind of baffling. Like where -- where is that coming from? Ever since the day that Jim Cramer actually said people we need to find people need a reason to buy the market again. And that was the day that Trump did the 90-day pause.
I mean, that is the largest what I saw headline today that said it was the longest sustained rally on Wall Street since 2022.
And I know the media tends to be, you know, they love to be. It's the worst day ever. It's the greatest week ever. All that kind of stuff. But that's --
BURNETT: Guilty as charged, right?
TUCHMAN: Oh, I didn't mean you. But, you know, the bottom line is that that's significant. So why are they buying the market now, right? Is it that they want to. We were down almost 20 percent earlier in April. Right now, we're down maybe 11 percent. They don't want to be under-invested in this month.
I mean, there's got to be a reason. Today, we had -- hope. Hope. Well, what we talked about was that the bottom line is if we don't have a deal, then that the potential of that is so dark --
IVES: And what the deals look like when they haven't. But again, boy, that cried wolf. Keep talking about deals. You don't see him when the deal is coming.
TUCHMAN : You know what though? Sorry. I have one thing. I spoke to my Trumper on the floor of the exchange today and tried to explain how -- how does he see this going on when we talk about that, its three, four years out or more for the factories. And he said, yes, but who's going to be building these factories? People are going to be put to work right away to build the factories.
And that's the positive. That's the view that is so positive to them. And so, he is fulfilling his promise.
BURNETT: All right. So -- and that's important people and some of his supporters, they do see that he's fulfilling his. Thats how they see it. Yes. Mary barra today though when she's talking $4 billion to $5 billion, we were sort of drilling down to put a price on a car. And, you know, we could quibble. She could quibble with the analysis.
Patrick Anderson, who's been tracking this forever, said you could take an Escalade. It's about $8,000 for the tariffs. Now, maybe GM eats some of that. They can't eat all of that.
And on the other end of that is someone buying a car. That is a hell of a lot of money.
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JEAN CHATZKY, HOST, "HERMONEY" PODCAST: This is why over the past few weeks, months, you saw so many people going into the market and saying, I'm going to do this now. I'm going to buy my car. Now, I'm going to buy my washer now.
There is so much fear of the pain that this is going to inflict on the average American household. And there are numbers that were looking at, averages that this is going to cost the average household $3,800 this year. You just put that in perspective, right? We're talking about a country where 40 to 50 percent of people still could not cover a $1,000 emergency. A third of people have no emergency savings.
I mean, this is paycheck to paycheck, and they're feeling this clothing, cars. You go to the grocery store, it's all the good stuff. It's cheese, it's coffee, it's chocolate. And people are --
IVES: Just wait until the inventory and the price increases.
CHATZKY: Start to run down.
BURNETT: But, Philip, you know, but we hear from -- you know, we hear from Scott Bessent, you know, sort of when he famously said, cheap goods is not the American dream. And Trump saying, well, you can just you can have a couple dolls and they'll cost more, but you know, who needs 30 dolls? That's -- that's the political tone that we're hearing.
PHILIP BUMP, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, THE WASHINGTON POST: Yeah. And I think it's certainly a reflection of the fact that Donald Trump is largely isolated and insulated from these negative effects, you know, which haven't hit yet, right? I mean, we're just talking about the inventory shortages haven't actually hit yet.
And he is existing in this bubble. And, you know, I wrote about this this week. It is it is unique for a president. And it is different for Trump now how insulated he is and that even Republicans who already say, okay, this is Trump's economy. But Republicans have -- have been trained very effectively by the conservative media to give him a pass on this stuff.
And so, when he says these things, these remarkable things, if you imagine Joe Biden saying that line about the dolls, like people have been tearing their hair out, right? Yes. But he gets a pass on it. And the net negative of that is that it means that everyone else has to suffer because he isn't changing things.
And I do think it's worth pointing out, we still don't have a consistency from the White House. Is this manufacturing where they're sticking with the tariffs? And so, you're supposed to build a factory here and they're going to last forever? Or is it we're making deals and we're going to go back to these imports?
They're not even clear on that, right? And so, when we talk about uncertainty, it's what --
IVES: To your -- to your great point, what's the rules of the game? And the reality in terms of like these companies, if they actually have to build factories, fortify what happens in the near term, that's where they cut costs. People get laid off. Thats the reality.
BUMP: And I do think it's worth noting to your point, manufacturing for construction was already surging because of the infrastructure bill. If you look at the numbers, it was already spiking. And yet here we are now, all of a sudden, this is a big priority. And it only changed with --
TUCHMAN: Think about going back to liberation. Sorry for one second that we don't we still don't know anything more than we did that day that he came out with the long list of -- of the -- of the countries and those numbers.
BURNETT: Right.
TUCHMAN: That was supposed to be etched in stone. That was supposed to be the big plan, the big reveal. Now, he's pushed that back. We've moved the goalposts. We've done everything except give us anything in reality that we know who's going to benefit, who's going to suffer, what country and how much. Nobody knows.
BURNETT: Peter, that list was 185 countries, I think. And subsequently, Trump said he's done a deal with 200, right? And I'm not -- I'm not really even saying that to mock. I'm just saying that is the point of like, it's clear that there's not taking this all with a level of seriousness, that that it deserves.
TUCHMAN: Disrespectful to the American people in a huge way.
BURNETT: All right. Elon Musk, because you cover Tesla, they're in the center of this room manufacturing perspective from all of it. Him from DOGE, he told a group of reporters today that DOGE has not met his goal. And it sort of sounds like he's giving up. But his initial goal was up to $2 trillion. And he said it again and again and again. Here he is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ELON MUSK, TECH BILLIONAIRE: We can cut the budget deficit in half from $2 trillion to 1.
TRUMP: It could be close to $1 trillion that we're going to find.
I think he's going to find $1 trillion.
MUSK: Yeah, I think so.
We can do at least $2 trillion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah!
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BURNETT: Okay, $2 trillion. Are you ready? We can do the whiteboard. Real fast. Okay?
We were at $2 trillion. Okay. Then it went down to $1 trillion. And today, he said that he's cut $160 billion, okay, which last I checked is 8 percent. And by the way, if we looked at that 160, I don't know where it would be 160 or not.
TUCHMAN: And think about --
BURNETT: I like that, Philip. Here's the asterisk.
TUCHMAN: And think about that --
CHATZKY: There are $135 billion in lost productivity against that.
BURNETT: Against 160.
CHATZKY: Yeah.
BURNETT: Wow.
IVES: And think about also Musk, for Tesla shareholders, the amount of market cap lost because Musk ultimately went into DOGE, the brand damage, and then now -- but now his days are done in DODGE because now, you know, obviously everything we've talked about.
BURNETT: And DOGE, Jean, when you look at the numbers this year and we don't know anything about what's going to happen with jobs, because your point, it's still in the future, the real impact that were going to see on costs and all of that.
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But DOGE has cut 48 percent of the jobs that have been cut so far this year have come from DOGE.
CHATZKY: That's right. And people are feeling it across the country, I think, in ways that are that are reverberating. It's reverberating in ways that we are not exactly sure what the results are going to be. I was in Reading, Pennsylvania last week, and they lost $51 million to renovate a school, and they were halfway into their project. They had to just stop work.
BURNETT: Wow.
CHATZKY: They're -- this is happening in communities around the country. And the problem with these DOGE cuts is that one day they're on and one day they're off.
The CFPB is told to clear out, then they're told to come back, and that's replicated again and again and again.
BURNETT: Is this a political liability for him or not? She talks about going to Redding, Pennsylvania. I mean, you can probably replicate a story like that in so many places across this country. But does that hurt him, or is it like you're saying where somebody will say, well, this is what we signed up for. We're still supportive of his goal.
BUMP: Let's say two things. The first is that you have to differentiate between a political liability for Trump and a political liability for the Trump movement, right? I don't know that Trump bears any political liability for anything. He's a lame duck, duck, yada, yada, yada.
His party, though, is up for midterm elections next year. And there's an analogy from this great writer, Julian Sanchez, that I like to come back to, that the country is Wile E. Coyote, and we've run off the cliff and we haven't looked down yet, and we don't know how big the drop is. That's where we are. And that holds true for research, that holds true for the sorts of construction projects, holds true for manufacturing. And so, we don't know how bad this is going to be.
BURNETT: No. And that's a terrifying thing, because maybe you have a feeling of false sense of security, or maybe you think its worse than who knows. But we the truth is we don't know.
TUCHMAN: We don't know --
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IVES: When you're -- when you're on a two-hour TSA line, maybe you'll get a little frustrated understanding --
CHATZKY: Even on the phone for the IRS.
IVES: For all of it, right?
BURNETT: All right. Thank you all.
And next, breaking news, a Trump appointed judge blocks Trump, putting his immigration plans in jeopardy. Our Ryan Goodman says that this ruling is unlike any other that we have seen in these past 100 days. And "The New York Times" tonight reports a $2 billion deal in Dubai. So why am I mentioning it? Well, because you may want to hear how much the Trump family stands to profit from it.
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BURNETT: Breaking news, a Trump appointed judge in Texas slamming the president as unlawful, becoming the first to declare that Trump exceeded his authority when he invoked the Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelan migrants. Now, of course, that act has only ever been used in wartime.
But this is not just notable because it's the first time, but because this is a Trump appointed judge. The ruling is specific to this judge's district, which is southern Texas.
And Ryan Goodman is OUTFRONT with me now, OUTFRONT legal analyst and the co-editor-in-chief of "Just Security". Also, you've got a YouTube channel I know now, Ryan, as well.
So, okay, this ruling from a Trump appointed judge in Texas, right along in southern Texas, how significant is the ruling from this particular judge?
RYAN GOODMAN, FORMER SPECIAL COUNSEL AT DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE: Very, very significant because it is a conservative judge who was appointed by Trump in the southern district of Texas, probably the most favorable legal ground for the administration on this issue. I would say there's strong reason to believe that, in fact, the administration took detainees to the southern district of Texas from other parts of the country to deport them out of there under the Alien Enemies Act, because they thought that the judges would be favorable.
And here's the judge --
BURNETT: They were like, okay, this is going to be tested here with this judge. And that's what we want.
GOODMAN: If we want to pick the most favorable jurisdiction, favorable judges, this would be the place. And then the judge isn't just saying it is that the plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits. He is saying they have succeeded on the merits.
This is the final judgment as far as he's concerned. And he says this is patently unlawful. All of history shows that this is not the right invocation of the act, because this is not an invasion.
BURNETT: Okay. This is one district in southern Texas, of course, where -- but what does something like this mean across the country? What does it mean for the Supreme Court?
GOODMAN: So, it's just basically setting it up for the Supreme Court. This will go to the Fifth Circuit. Also very, very conservative panel. And then they'll decide -- and then they'll go to the Supreme Court.
But what's happening across the country is that when these cases are brought, as you say, they're only within the district that the judge sits. So, he is also this morning, he issued a class-wide certification that everybody in his district is affected by this, but nobody else. So, now, we're getting all these cases in different places, northern
Texas, Colorado, New York, Pennsylvania, which was thought to be good for the Trump administration because then the plaintiffs have to fight them piecemeal. It's actually turning out to be bad for them, because these judges are coming out against the administration and are finding --
BURNETT: In all sorts of jurisdictions, politically, et cetera.
GOODMAN: Yeah, that the Alien Enemies Act is a kind of a bogus legal invocation, is what they're saying.
BURNETT: Okay, now, another thing happened today that I want to ask you about on the -- on the immigration front. And that was in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the man who had lived in Maryland who is deported. The Trump administration had said by accident to El Salvador. So his wife, Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife spoke out today.
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JENNIFER VASQUEZ SURA, WIFE OF KILMAR ABREGO GARCIA: My husband was illegally detained, abducted and disappeared.
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Throwing away to die in one of the most dangerous prisons in El Salvador, the highest court in the nation ruled that Kilmar should be returned home. So why are they still waiting? Enough is enough.
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BURNETT: She has spoken out on his behalf. It does come a day after the DHS, though, revealed what they a second request for protective order filed by her against her husband on this case, saying he had slapped her, broken her phone. I had a lot of detail in it. She rescinded that request a week later, but this was the second one. Where is this case headed?
GOODMAN: So the case is right now at the district court level, where the judge has ordered expedited discovery. There was this week-long pause in which people thought it actually might resolve itself, and that maybe Mr. Abrego Garcia would either be brought back to the United States, or at least sent to a third country.
The reason that his deportation was illegal is that there was an immigration judge ordered in 2019 that said one place he must not be sent is El Salvador. And even the government admits that that was an error, like a legal error, that they sent him there. So, the question is, does he come back?
I do think the judge is going to find that the government has acted in bad faith. That's what she says she's looking at as to why they haven't taken any steps to facilitate his release. I'm using that language very precisely. That's what the Supreme Court said they have to do is facilitate his release from El Salvador. And the question is, were they or are they going to confront that head
on, or are they going to try to avoid it by getting him to a third country?
BURNETT: And of course, Trump admitted earlier this week that he could pick up the phone and call and make that request, and it would be honored by El Salvador. He said he didn't want to do it completely, but he did admit that he could.
GOODMAN: Yeah.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Ryan.
And next, an urgent dash tonight to stop a war. What would be a shocking war after Pakistan claims it has evidence that India is about to attack, both, of course, nuclear power countries. We're going to take you live to the ground tonight as that escalates.
And a New York institution, its walls lined with the world's most riveting stories. It is an incredible place. It is a place I love to take my kids. And I'll explain.
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BURNETT: Breaking news. A scramble to prevent an all-out ground. War secretaries Rubio and Hegseth talking to India and Pakistani leaders after a top official in Pakistan posted that he had, quote, credible intelligence that India intends to carry out military action against Pakistan.
Nic Robertson is OUTFRONT. He is live from Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.
And, Nic, I know you just arrived on the ground. I mean, what is happening right now? Why are we here? How high are tensions?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yeah. Tensions are high. The British, the Pakistani military had a massive what they called effort to test the battlefield readiness of their forces. Simulate exact military battlefield conditions. It involved tanks. It involved artillery. It involved troops. It involved fighter jets.
And during that, the army chief of staff who was overseeing it had this. Very clear message, very clear for India. And I think it gives you a sense of where the tensions are.
He said: Let there be no ambiguity. Any military misadventure by India will be met with a swift, resolute and notch up response. While Pakistan remains committed to regional peace, our preparedness and resolve to safeguard national interests is absolute.
When you put the army out, albeit some distance from the front lines, to test them and make it public and make statements like that, you get a sense of the tensions. In Kashmir itself, the population there not seeing a buildup in troops, not rushing for their bunkers and shelters as they have done in the past. But the school children on both sides of the line of control, that's the front line, as its known. There have been getting lessons today on what to do if fighting breaks out, how to be safe in the classroom, something school kids in the United States might be familiar with.
But that's because this tension exists. So in their daily lives, maybe they're not seeing it, the people there, but they're very aware it's in the background. Pete Hegseth, for his part, speaking with his Indian counterpart today, taking quite a strong line, saying, look, the United States supports your right to self-defense, supports your right to strike back against terrorists.
Secretary Rubio, a slightly more diplomatic message to both sides. He spoke to the Pakistani prime minister yesterday, spoke to the Indian foreign minister yesterday. The message there was, look, both sides, try to work together encouraging them to kind of sort this out diplomatically.
BURNETT: Yeah. Of course. Rubio now taking on national security advisor as well.
Thank you very much, Nic, in Islamabad. And now a $2 billion deal using Trump's crypto could generate hundreds of millions of dollars for Trump's family. This is according to "The New York Times", an Abu Dhabi investment firm is using a crypto coin launched by Donald Trump's private company in the world's biggest crypto exchange.
Now, the deal was announced by the White House envoy to the Middle East's son, Zack Witkoff, who was there with Eric Trump. That's the issue, right?
Joining me now is Harry Enten to tell us something we don't know.
All right. So, tell us something we don't know because obviously, you know, the imagery there is very powerful.
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But what's the reality. How much is Trump making from crypto deals just right now?
HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: I mean, this is one of the most insane stats that I have seen. And I have brought you a lot of interesting nuggets. But the Trump family overall, how much have they made on crypto, at least on paper, get this number. It is about $1 billion -- $1 billion, because remember, it's not just Donald who's involved in crypto, it's Eric who's involved in crypto. And it's Melania who's involved in crypto.
That is an insane amount of money. I just only could wish I would one day touch that much cash.
BURNETT: I mean, that is incredible. And it is, as you've been looking at it, just part of a larger picture of Trump's wealth, his -- his wealth personally taking off. ENTEN: It has skyrocketed, Erin, skyrocketed. Look at what Forbes has
found. What they have found that over the last year, you go back to last year. Look, Trump was worth a lot of money, but it was $2.3 billion.
Look at how much he's worth now. It's more than doubled. More than doubled. He is now up. His net worth is now $5 billion. Part of that is crypto. But part of that is also, of course, Truth Social, part of the larger media conglomerate going public.
But you put it all together and Trump's wealth is through the roof over the last year.
BURNETT: Very different than most Americans' --
ENTEN: Yes.
BURNETT: -- 401(k)s right now.
All right. So you've told me a lot I don't know, maybe you don't need to tell me anything else, but --
ENTEN: I'll walk off the set.
BURNETT: One more thing. I don't know.
ENTEN: I'll tell you something you don't know. And you know, we're talking crypto here. And in my opinion, crypto voters, those who own crypto may have made the difference in the 2024 election. Why?
BURNETT: Wow.
ENTEN: Because take a look here. How much more did crypto voters support Donald Trump versus those who didn't own crypto? Look at that. Trump did get this. His margin was 24 points higher among crypto owners than non-owners.
They, of course, have made up an increasing share of the electorate north of 10 percent of the electorate now. And in my opinion, Trump getting close with crypto may have made the difference and put him over the top.
BURNETT: That is really incredible.
All right. Thank you very much.
ENTEN: I told you something you don't know like three times.
BURNETT: Like three times.
ENTEN: There you go.
BURNETT: Put it in the bank.
All right. Next, the legendary home to 18 miles of books. It is an incredible place. We don't always get to tell good news stories, but this is a great place. A place that I love to take my kids. And we'll explain.
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BURNETT: Tonight, a New York institution. And when you go inside, their secrets, mysteries and treasures. And tonight, we want to take you there. It's the iconic Strand Bookstore, and it's in Manhattan. My parents took me. Now, I love bringing my own children.
It's part of a CNN original series called "MY HAPPY PLACE". Take a look.
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BURNETT: The Strand, a New York bookstore is busy and is famous as the city itself, boasting 18 miles of books. The store is so big that even the owner still finds hidden treasures.
NANCY BASS WYDEN, OWNER, STRAND BOOKSTORE: You know what I found on the shelves? A signed copy by Helen Keller. I found it over there.
BURNETT: That's incredible. So, even for you in here.
WYDEN: Yes.
BURNETT: There are mysteries.
WYDEN: And customers always tell us things that they'll find. There was one book that my dad found. He opened it up and there was a bullet --
BURNETT: Bullet lodged in the book.
WYDEN: Yes.
BURNETT: New Yorkers and tourists come from all over, hoping to find their own prizes. I've been visiting since I was a kid, and I've always felt like I'm entering somewhere magical to find something secret. And that's why the strand is my happy place.
WYDEN: I grew up in the middle of nowhere, and I remember coming with my parents because we would come to New York City every Christmas.
And I feel like it hasn't changed.
BURNETT: Nancy Wyden grew up in the store. She's the third generation owner of Strand.
WYDEN: Here's grandpa.
BURNETT: Oh, wow.
WYDEN: This place is just filled with so much history. And to be in one family for 100 years, I think is kind of phenomenal.
BURNETT: It is really.
Over the years, the Strand has become a New York icon, appearing in films and TV shows. Even the books themselves have show credits. Customers can check any book to see what production it might have been rented out for.
Shoppers can find new books, weird books, used books and rare books.
Yeah, this is something I've never seen before.
WYDEN: Our most expensive book is this one. It's Ulysses. Its signed by Henri Matisse and James Joyce.
BURNETT: Wow.
This incredibly rare copy is worth $45,000.
WYDEN: It feels like there's -- there's, like, magical potions in here.
BURNETT: May I touch?
WYDEN: Yes.
BURNETT: Okay.
What's happening to bookstores now?
WYDEN: I mean, there are less and less of them. I think we have to just kind of continue with our past and our mission to put good books in the hands of readers and change with the times, too, and have fun with it.
BURNETT: And Wyden is having fun with it. Embracing new platforms like TikTok to get young readers in the door.
Weve got Percy Jackson, he's Indiana Jones.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is exactly what I was looking for.
BURNETT: It's important to pass down the magic of stumbling on a good book in a store, which is why I always bring my kids here during the holidays, just like my parents used to bring me.
What's the main character's name?
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: Jackie Robinson.
BURNETT: Jackie Robinson. Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: I like you stumbling on a book.
BURNETT: You like to stumbling on a book?
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: Yeah.
BURNETT: All right. You can go pick one more.
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BURNETT: We always let them pick one more. And there's just something still so wonderful. Maybe more than ever in this world of social media, of just going in a bookstore.
And CNN's all-new series is just an amazing cast of people, of people taking to their happy places around the world. This weekend, don't miss an all-new episode. She gets to go to Bali, so that's pretty awesome. "HAPPY PLACE", Sunday night at 10:00.
And before we go, a headline on this program last night said Ed Martin, Trump's nominee for U.S. attorney for Washington, contradicted himself in statements to the Senate. Martin said he did not recall making controversial statements about Democratic politicians and January 6th police officers.
And thanks so much to all of you for being with us.
Anderson starts now.
