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Sherriff Department: Uptick In Tips After Major Break In Guthrie Case; Law Enforcement Searching Savannah Guthrie's Sister Neighborhood; Lutnick's Contact With Epstein Fuels Calls For Him To Resign. Aired 7-8p ET

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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT next:

The breaking news, the FBI and sheriff deputies are right now, as I speak, canvassing the neighborhood of savannah Guthrie sister after the biggest break yet in the Nancy Guthrie case. Officials releasing surveillance photos and video of an armed person at Guthrie's home on the day she vanished.

Plus, inside the search. I'm going to talk to a SWAT commander with the Pima County sheriff's department who just retired. He knows the officers searching right now for Guthrie.

And, Epstein ties. Trump's commerce secretary admitting tonight that he visited Epstein's island long after he claimed to have completely cut ties with the convicted pedophile. There are now more calls for Lutnick's resignation.

Let's go OUTFRONT.

And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett.

And OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news. Sheriff deputies and the FBI right now going door to door canvasing the neighborhood where Savannah Guthrie sister Annie lives.

Now, it is important to remember that it was at Annie's home where Nancy Guthrie had dinner hours before she vanished.

Now, this major presence on the ground is coming just hours after a major break in the Nancy Guthrie case, the first major clue since NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie's 84-year-old mother vanished 10 days ago.

So, this is what happened. You're looking at the video here the FBI came out and released this surveillance video from Guthrie's home. It shows an armed individual who is masked and is carrying what appears to be a gun on their waist. Now you can see them tampering with the camera before walking back to grab a handful of flowers from Guthrie's garden. Now, which the individual then used those flowers to try to block the camera lens, so you can actually see all of this happening. Now, the FBI says that they were able to retrieve these images from what they are calling, quote/unquote, "residual data" from Guthrie's camera. Now, according to NBC News, the Guthrie family was shown these images but they said they did not recognize the person that is why the FBI and sheriff's office decided to post the images and video.

And in a moment, we're going to speak to a facial recognition and A.I. expert who is going to break down what investigators can actually see here. Is this enough?

Ed Lavandera, though, begins our coverage OUTFRONT live in Tucson, Arizona.

And, Ed, a lot is happening as we're talking. You know, we're talking about FBI and sheriff's deputies canvasing the neighborhood of Savannah Guthrie's sister Annie's home and a lot seeming to be going on the ground where you are right now.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. You have to imagine that the new videos and still images that have been released by FBI investigators is generating a flood of tips and leads for investigators to chase down. We are outside Nancy Guthrie's home. You can see there through the trees that arched a brick way. That is the entrance into the home, and that is the area where these video images came from.

And that's also the area where investigators have said they found traces of Nancy Grace -- Nancy Guthrie's blood there on the porch leading out to the gravel circle driveway as well. So, a great deal of focus there on that particular area of the house.

In our reporting over the course of the last 10 days, we also know that there were other cameras inside the home as well. Now, whether or not investigators have been able to piece together and cobble together other video images like what we have seen now released from that front camera next to the front door, we do not know yet. But it's also coming as you mentioned, Erin, off the top, that there is continued focus and law enforcement activity in the neighborhood around Annie Guthrie's home as well, where neighbors are saying that they've been talked to by investigators, asking if they'd seen anything suspicious, and asking if they could search their properties as well.

And we know that that kind of work has also continued here in this neighborhood around Nancy Guthrie's home as well where investigators have been canvasing and canvasing the area asking neighbors if they've seen anyone suspicious, any vehicles that are suspicious once again, going back to people trying to get them to find videos during those crucial hours from Saturday night into early Sunday morning that might help them track down who this suspect is that we're now seeing for the first time on this video -- Erin.

BURNETT: All right. Ed Lavandera, thank you very much.

And they go from literally saying no suspect, no leads whatsoever to getting that video and putting it out. I mean it is as big as a break as they can get. And everyone is here. In a moment, we're also going to be joined by a

former member of the SWAT team in Pima county, Bob Krygier. He retired just 30 days ago after 25 years ago with the team there on the ground now.

So, first, Chip Massey, you're a retired FBI hostage negotiator. You see what's happening here? They are going door-to-door searching properties of neighborhoods to savannah Guthrie sisters home, as well as Nancy Guthrie's home. What is happening right now?

CHIP MASSEY, FORMER FBI HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR: Right. So they're following every investigative lead that they've got, right? Nothing is being left to chance. Every stone being overturned. So, when they go back to these properties, when they go back to do these other searches, what will agree with me here is that they're getting investigative lead material from interviews, from talking to neighbors. That's going to point them in another direction. So, they're going to double back and find what's there.

BURNETT: What do you think, Wally?

WALLACE ZEINS, FORMER NYPD HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR AND HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Absolutely. Right on. He's right on the target. And also, they'll be going through everything, even the garbage in the neighborhood. They'll be sifting through that. And that's a very important part because they don't need a search warrant or anything to go through that. It's in a public place if they find something.

But it's so important to take every little lead. And I must say that the FBI orchestrated a perfect timing with this. And I'll tell you why. This morning, when I heard the FBI say that they're bringing agents to many of all their field agents.

It's like the Mangione case. You know, people might see a little something out of that picture. Remember where they found in Pennsylvania, at a McDonald's? Someone found a little speck of information and brought it on. Someone might see throughout the United States something and the that fits, that fits and the FBI would want to get there extremely fast.

BURNETT: And it does feel as if things are moving extremely quickly in many ways right now with that breakthrough.

Bob Krygier is with us right now.

And, Bob, as I said, you just retired from the SWAT team in Pima County days ago and I know you spent 25 years working there.

So how close do you think they are to a breakthrough?

BOB KRYGIER, RETIRED SWAT COMMANDER, PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: With the video being released today in the still images, I imagine they're getting pretty close. Theres a lot of information out there. I'm sure this is going to help. And what I do know is that there are -- the tactical teams have to be ready to go at a moment's notice. They've probably got multiple teams ready to go between us. The Pima regional team, the FBI HRT team, whatever information comes in, I'm sure they're going to be able to act as soon as they get the info, where to go.

BURNETT: And so, do you think, Bob, from everything you know, when you're -- you're seeing this as someone who's from Tucson, has spent 25 years in SWAT team there, right? I mean, you know this.

So, when you see what's happening and where they're searching around Annie Guthrie's home and Nancy Guthrie's home, you know do you think this is somebody that they think this is all going to be right in those areas in terms of where they go?

KRYGIER: I think it could be anywhere. The metropolitan Tucson area and then the desert areas around us is so vast. It's hard to say exactly where they'd be focusing on without any investigative leads. With that being said, my guess would be it could be anywhere.

We go down to the border here in Pima County, so it could be anywhere from a shack down near the border to a house in the neighborhood. It's just so difficult to guess at this point.

BURNETT: And when you said those teams would be ready to go at a moment's notice, you know, how ready are they right now? When those pictures came out, was that sort of for them, the okay, we got to go, we're ready?

KRYGIER: Yes, I'm sure they had standby teams ready to go, at least contingent teams to get out to any locations, to start any prep that they need to do. And then usually they'd be supplemented by the full teams when they show up. But I'm very confident that they're -- they're ready to go.

BURNETT: And, Bob, what do you what do you think when you look at these images, you know, as a, you know, Tucson SWAT team professional, you look at the fact that the individuals seem to have a gun, a holster obviously fully masked, but then using flowers to cover the camera, right? Then there are some things that sort of don't fit with being very prepared, at least to the layperson. What do you see there?

KRYGIER: I would agree my initial reaction was he didn't seem like a professional bad guy just the way he moved, as long as he was in front of the camera the things with the flowers, the way he had the gun, the gun didn't appear to be the right gun for that holster. There were a lot of things that didn't make sense, from things that I've seen, from home invasions that I've worked over the years. And this, this -- there was just a lot of things that that made it look like this wasn't a very sophisticated criminal, in my opinion.

BURNETT: And, you know, Bob, as Bob is saying that, let me just ask you, Chip, do you agree?

MASSEY: Oh, yes, absolutely. You know, the way he comes at this, he's -- you know, he's trying to disguise his movement, the way he walks up to that door, right?

[19:10:01] He's hunched over.

BURNETT: It does appear to be a he. I think everyone would be shocked if it isn't. That appears to be a man.

MASSEY: Yeah. And then, you know, he's -- like you said, he's turning around. He's unsure. This is not somebody who is, you know, locked in, knows exactly what his steps are going to be.

And that's what's great about this, right because, you know every, every word before in the email. That was a crime scene for us, right? We were extracting from that. Now, we have a picture.

Now, the American people have a picture that they can look at it and somebody knows who this is.

BURNETT: Wally, when you see these images, you hear what bobs talking about, right? As SWAT team in Pima County, do you think that the person who is at that door was going intending to do a kidnapping, okay, or something else? And do you think it's the same individual that then sent those two letters that we know the local stations and TMZ receive part of.

ZEINS: The two letters I believe are different than the person walking in the door. The reason why I say that there's a lot of plusses and minuses on both ends of those of those letters.

But, you know, mathematics plays a big part in this investigation. And I'm just looking at this. And for an example, when he walks through the door first of all, his head is down. So, he knew that there were cameras there.

BURNETT: Yes.

ZEINS: And secondly, if you look on the ground, the tiles that are there, all the tiles on the floor are the same width and length, and the FBI mathematics falls in because they will take his footprint. His footstep, and he'll be able to measure the length and width of his foot compared to the length and width of the tile because all the tiles are the same.

BURNETT: Fine the exact size.

ZEINS: And they'll get the exact shoe size

BURNETT: Casey Jordan also here, criminologist.

And, Casey, you notice in this video a lot of things but one of the things you notice, I think, is what appears to be a cell phone in the person's pocket. How important could that be?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST, BEHAVIORAL ANALYST: I think it's incredibly important. And again, no one's confirmed that. That's just me going through that video frame by frame by frame and trying to pick out everything of note. I see next to his right hand, the top of his cell phone, peeking out of the jacket zippered pocket. It's unzipped, and if that cell phone was on, even if it was not on it, will be pinging off the towers. Given that we have an idea of the time frame, it's mostly narrowed down to about 43 and with this video we should have a timestamp that's incredibly accurate.

They can zero in on all of the devices pinging off the cell tower, and try to narrow it down to a cell phone, numbers that may not belong in the area, or if they do belong in the area who do they belong to? Did they belong to somebody who might fit this description?

So, if that culprit had a phone on him, that's going to be huge. You can be sure they're working on that right now.

BURNETT: Because you can triangulate. You can backwards triangulate right to see what was there.

ZEINS: Absolutely.

BURNETT: And with the precision, Wally, of not just getting to that, her phone would have been there because obviously it was, but that there would have been a phone.

ZEINS: Absolutely. It would have been any phone that was in that immediate area. They can triangulate and they would be able to ping it, and they would be able to get a determination and a location. And they go further, they'll get the subscriber.

BURNETT: Yeah.

Bob, how do you, you know talking to your all -- your former teammates, right? Who are ready to go right now if not already -- if not already out there what was their feeling when this video and picture came out today? I mean our understanding is, you know, this isn't something that the FBI was sitting on, you know for days before they decide to put it out but that they really put it out immediately when they got it.

KRYGIER: Yeah. What I can tell you is their main focus in all of this on the tactical side is getting Nancy back safely. Everything else is secondary. They want to focus on finding her, doing what they can, doing what they trained for, to get her back safely.

After that, the investigation can proceed. But the number one priority for every tactical team out there is solely focused on the -- on the hostage at this point which is Nancy. And that's really all they're concerned with.

BURNETT: And do you believe, Bob, that that is their focus right now, that they believe she is a hostage and that there's still a chance they can get her right? That that that sounds like that's what you believe they're operating under.

KRYGIER: Absolutely. Until there's any information otherwise, they're going to work under the facts that she was taken against her will. Theres a chance of rescuing her and that's all they're going to focus on and I do know that they, we train hours and hours and hours every year on these types of situations. Every team does, and they're ready for it.

BURNETT: Kasie, in the video, we see someone walk up to the door and you know, we can watch how he moves. When he does that. We see that backpack as well.

What does this say to you? Wally and Chip were talking about how they felt that, you know, this may be someone who's not a sophisticated, right, maybe not a professional kidnaper or, you know, there's plenty of theories out there. It didn't seem to fit that for them. What do you see?

JORDAN: I see amateur as well.

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Listen, we have never seen a kidnaping quite like this before, but, I mean, I almost lost it when he went and picked flowers and tried to jam them to the camera lens. A good burglar brings a little canister of spray paint, and spray paints the lenses of all the cameras. He came unprepared.

But what's in the backpack? He's prepared for something. That backpack is stuffed. And it really kind of comes down to he came there, I think, to get Nancy, but how long he'd been casing the place and how long the plan, totally unknown, as is the idea that maybe he is completely unrelated to the extortionist asking for the bitcoin.

There's still a lot of unknowns, but we are closer than we've ever been.

BURNETT: I mean, and just such a huge break.

Wally, I just will emphasize again, the significance -- is there a significance in where they are searching now? Obviously, you know, you hear Bob saying she could be anywhere, right? If they are in a hostage situation kidnapping situation.

But where they're searching, of course, is the scene of the crime that they, that they know the abduction. And her injury. But they're also searching around the other Guthrie home, which is where she had been the night before. So, it makes sense in that context.

ZEINS: They will always go back to the scene where they were and follow their instinct on tips that come in. They may have someone that said something. As you saw the other night, they walked out with two bags from that house, so there's something going on that they're very concerned about.

BURNETT: And could they have done that if they gave them this -- the thing?

ZEINS: Absolutely and if they didn't give it to him, they would have to have probable cause because they need a search warrant to get that. So, if they were agreed upon, they can take it. If they --

BURNETT: If they just had given. If they had enough of their mother's in the house or something like that.

ZEINS: Absolutely.

So, Chip, what do you think happens from here? I mean, are we -- are we -- are we on the finish line here to break through and them finding her

MASSEY: Absolutely. In terms of this guy, I think, you know, before they you know they were under a microscope. Now, it's like their world got so very small. Those eyes in that camera, his body composition, the way he's moving somebody out there knows exactly who that guy is like, one of the things I say is like when you go to a restaurant and you're expecting to meet somebody, but you notice somebody from behind and you recognize that person from the way he moves, right?

BURNETT: That's true.

MASSEY: You absolutely do. Somebody knows exactly who this guy is.

ZEINS: And the gait, the gait.

BURNETT: Just like in the Luigi Mangione case right. Somebody with the mask. Somebody did know.

All right. Thank you all very much. I appreciate you.

And next, our breaking news coverage continues. TMZ's Harvey Levin has some new breaking details from law enforcement sources about the possible kidnapper. So we've got that breaking news right after this.

And then an A.I. expert who is going to break down these images released by the FBI, you just heard them talking about the eyes. Are the eyes enough? So we're going to tell you exactly what's there.

And Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick insisting that he wasn't close to Jeffrey Epstein, far from it.

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HOWARD LUTNICK, COMMERCE SECRETARY: I did not have any relationship with him. I barely had anything to do with that person.

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BURNETT: That person. Then why did he admit today to visiting Epstein's private island?

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BURNETT: Breaking news, TMZ just reporting that law enforcement believes whomever kidnaped Nancy Guthrie is from the Tucson area. TMZ says that is according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation and this new news comes as officials are going door to door tonight at homes in the neighborhood of Nancy's daughter, Annie Guthrie, talking to residents and canvasing the area as part of their search for Nancy Guthrie.

Hours after the FBI released photos and video from a doorbell camera of a masked armed man approaching Nancy Guthrie's front door the night she disappeared, here we are. And we do know all these teams are out. We're not sure where we are in this, but it has been and is a crucial moment.

OUTFRONT now, Harvey Levin. He is the founder of TMZ, which also received that initial ransom note for Nancy Guthrie.

And, Harvey. Let me just start because I know you've got a lot of news here. Youve got some new information right now. What are you learning

HARVEY LEVIN, FOUNDER OF TMZ: So we have talked with multiple law enforcement sources who are involved in the investigation and they believe that whoever kidnaped Nancy Guthrie is from the Tucson area. One of the big reasons they believe that is because both ransom notes went to one or two local stations in Tucson.

And the person who wrote the ransom note and we are told that they believe that ransom note or they're operating under the belief now that that ransom note is real, is legit that it was written by somebody very familiar with the area, somebody in the area. And also, when you look at what they said and, Erin, we talked about this yesterday that they said, if you pay the money, we will get Nancy back to Tucson within 12 hours. So it's within a 700-mile radius of Tucson, but they believe its within that television market.

BURNETT: And it sounds like from what you're saying, that they're going under the assumption that and. Well, let me ask this to you directly the person who wrote the ransom note you're saying is from the Tucson area and is related to the kidnapping.

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What is your understanding as to whether they think that that is related to the person that we now have video of outside Nancy Guthrie's door? Are those the same people, the person at the door and the person writing the note?

LEVIN: It's the -- well, I can't say that that's the person who wrote the note. They haven't told me that.

BURNETT: Yeah.

LEVIN: But I think it's pretty easy to connect the dots that the person there, you know, who is completely covered up, who also has a gun, is probably the person who abducted Nancy. Now, whether that person had help, and that's the person who wrote the ransom note, I don't know, but they believe.

And again, the -- I don't want to say they are positive that the person is from the Tucson area. That is what they believe. And that they believe this ransom note is connected to the person who abducted Nancy.

BURNETT: So, obviously, that it's legitimate and it's from the Tucson area, that person is, which I know Harvey, is something you had been saying based on your own, you know, receiving of the note and how it read and what you had seen. So, this corroborates that.

Now, the ransom note that you received had that bitcoin address for ransom payment. We're now 24 hours and 25 minutes past the deadline for that payment. And I know you have still been checking for any payments. What are you seeing?

LEVIN: So, about 12 minutes ago we saw activity in that account.

BURNETT: Activity? Like what?

LEVIN: That's what I can't talk about. There are reasons I can't but all I can say is there is now activity in that bitcoin account.

BURNETT: Okay, now let me just ask one more question and you'll share with me what you can. But when you say activity is that that you can see money is going into the account, or are you able to tell whether its money going in or going out?

LEVIN: Well, it would only show as I understand this money going in. And the only thing you would see is money. And that's all I can say.

BURNETT: Okay. All right. So, obviously, that's crucial information. So you're saying about 12 minutes ago. So, you, you actually saw money go into that bitcoin account. And just to be clear, this is the bitcoin account in the first letter where the individual had said you're not going to hear from me again. And this is where to wire what the second letter made clear after last night would have been $6 million.

LEVIN: Yeah. Yesterday, I said to you that I didn't know whether that second letter may have contained a bitcoin address. I don't think it did now, because I can tell you that the link we have from the first letter is what we've been checking. And again, all I can say is as of a few minutes ago for the first time, we saw activity.

BURNETT: Now, Harvey, can I ask you one other thing? And I know you can't tell me how much money, and you can't -- you can't say that but does -- when -- does it allow you to see any kind of notification as to anything about, for example, when you Venmo somebody and you can sometimes see things publicly about who's Venmo-ing or what it's about, is there anything that would be identifying about it? Even if you can't understand what the identifying is, or is it simply a balance?

LEVIN: Yeah, I was worried coming on because of your persistence. I am in a tough spot right now and maybe later, we can talk about why, but I can only tell you that we have seen activity in the account.

BURNETT: Okay. Now, Harvey, from your understanding, from your law enforcement sources. Okay, is that activity related to. I mean because we obviously got the images just a few hours ago, right? Of that individual. And now we have all this action going on on the ground around Nancy Guthrie's house, around Annie Guthrie's house with FBI teams and sheriff teams. Is that related, in your understanding, to anything that were seeing in this account from law enforcement sources

LEVIN: I don't feel comfortable answering that. And I'm not trying to be cagey. Its I will explain at a point why, but I just cannot say anything right now.

I will say that, you know, it's not like -- I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but, you know, the images and the video that we saw today, this is not something that, law enforcement had and just decided to finally kind of dole out. They just got it as well.

So, they were not withholding it. They released it as soon as they got it. Whether you connect the dots or not, you do as you wish but I'm just telling you that, yes, the video came out earlier today, and a few minutes ago, there was activity for the first time in this account.

BURNETT: I mean, obviously, that's the most significant news that that we have received of the day here, what you're -- what you're saying about that. And just to emphasize it again, that Harvey Levin of TMZ is reporting because he has that bitcoin address in the first ransom note, that there was activity in it about now, 13 minutes ago Harvey. And that was what had been provided to the Guthrie family as to where they were supposed to send the ransom money.

So, Harvey, do you think that that were there that that something major is about to happen in this case tonight?

LEVIN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that there is an active investigation right now, and it feels -- it feels more vibrant than it did when it felt like everybody was at a kind of a standstill a few days ago. There seems to be more going on right now. There seems to be more moving parts.

BURNETT: All right. Harvey Levin, thank you very much. I appreciate talking to you so much. Thanks.

LEVIN: Sure, Erin.

BURNETT: All right. And next, on the heels of that major breaking news from Harvey, take a look at this video, because now perhaps, perhaps a breakthrough for the Guthrie family. Is that where we are? You can see how this person walks. You can see their eyes. And maybe is it all in the eyes?

I'm going to talk to an A.I. expert who knows facial recognition technology, and we're going to break down how this could identify the person in the video.

Plus, what is the White House saying about whether Trump called the police in the mid-2000s to say, quote, "everyone has known about Epstein's misconduct". (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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BURNETT: Breaking news, Savannah Guthrie's husband and NBC News colleagues pleading with the public to help identify the masked person seen at Nancy Guthrie's home. This after the FBI released that video of an armed and masked individual that the FBI describes as a subject in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.

And you just heard Harvey Levin from TMZ who received that first ransom letter with a bitcoin address, saying that just within the past 15 or 16 minutes, there was activity in that account, which he says would only show if money was going in.

So, obviously, we are at a crucial, crucial moment here.

And Kristian Hammond is with me now, an expert on A.I. and its uses, computer sciences professor at Northwestern.

So, Kristian, obviously, when we're talking facial recognition, now, you've got A.I. at the heart of it. So, all of a sudden, we get these images of an armed person wearing a mask. And Harvey Levin's reporting that the FBI didn't have these for a couple of days. They got them today and they put them out there right away, right?

So, this whole case now is -- suddenly feels as if major breakthroughs are happening. Then that payment he's reporting. In this video, you know, you see the individual holding a flashlight in their mouth and you get a fairly good view of the eyes. And so what do you see there?

KRISTIAN HAMMOND, A.I. EXPERT: Well, I -- first of all, thank you for having me on, Erin.

BURNETT: Yeah.

HAMMOND: But what I see, unfortunately, is eyes and facial recognition is really all based on relationships between objects on a face. It's not just your eyes. It's how wide your eyes are compared to your eyebrows, compared to your nose, your mouth.

All of these ratios, and we don't have a lot of ratio data coming off of -- off of these images, but --

BURNETT: So, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

HAMMOND: We have to remember that faces aren't the only things that we can recognize. And so, how he moves, his size, his -- the clothing he's wearing the backpack. These are all now features that can be used to find things in images. And that's the -- that's the thing that is exciting here is that there's so much new information that can be used to actually mine other video sources like the neighbors.

BURNETT: Okay. Yeah, like the neighbors. And I know, as you said, you know we've been saying they've been searching neighbors houses by Nancy Guthrie's home, as well as -- as well as her daughter Annie's. So, at one point, I just want to show that when the video shows the person walking away to find something, I guess that's when he grabs the flowers to obscure the camera.

And so in that image though, you do see the person move. You see how they turn around, how they lean, how they walk carrying the backpack, you know, I guess it would seem, Kristian, that if you knew this person, some of that, without even realizing why, would be familiar to you.

HAMMOND: Oh, absolutely. I mean, along with the facial recognition technology, there's gait recognition technology.

BURNETT: Wow.

HAMMOND: -- which is just as accurate because the way we walk and the way we move is as much a fingerprint for us as our fingerprints as our faces. And what's going to be interesting here is figuring out a way to take all of these features and use them to guide the mining of other videos.

And when I mentioned the neighbors, it's like the reality is that, there will be people in the neighborhood who also have cameras and those cameras may have a different subscription service, and there may be more data on those cameras. And getting to that might actually get to more information about the movement, not in the house, but outside the house.

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BURNETT: All right. Well, Kristian, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

I mean, amazing, as you say that there's even A.I. for gait. I guess it makes sense but it's still pretty incredible to hear. Thank you so much.

HAMMOND: Oh, thank you.

BURNETT: And next, top Trump official Howard Lutnick confronted today about why he went to Jeffrey Epstein's private island after he claimed to have cut off contact with the convicted sex offender. Calls growing louder tonight for a resignation.

And we are continuing to follow the breaking news this hour on Nancy Guthrie. FBI and sheriff's deputies scouring the neighborhood where Savannah Guthrie sister lives. As TMZ reports, money has gone in to that bitcoin account.

We'll be back

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BURNETT: Tonight, the White House says Trump is standing by Howard Lutnick as he faces calls to resign over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, Trump's commerce secretary, admitting on the Hill today that he visited Epstein's island long after he previously claimed he cut ties. [19:45:03]

M.J. Lee is OUTFRONT.

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HOWARD LUTNICK, COMMERCE SECRETARY: I did not have any relationship with him.

M.J. LEE, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL ENTERPRISE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): President Trump's commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, under intense scrutiny tonight for his connections to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

LUTNICK: Of these millions and millions of documents, there may be 10 emails connecting me with him, probably about 10 emails connecting me with him over a 14-year period.

LEE (voice-over): Testifying on Capitol Hill Tuesday, Lutnick tried to downplay the numerous times that he and his wife appear in the Epstein files released by the Justice Department. The cabinet official had also claimed in an interview last year that he had cut off all contact with Epstein, who happened to be his next door neighbor in New York city after this disturbing visit to Epstein's townhouse in 2005

LUTNICK: And he opens the doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff. I say to him, "Massage table in the middle of your house? How often do you have a massage?" And he says, "Every day." And then he, like, gets like weirdly close to me and he says, "And the right kind of massage."

My wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So, I was never in the room with him socially, for business or for even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's gross.

LEE (voice-over): But a CNN review of the newly released files tells a different story. Lutnick corresponded with Epstein through intermediaries several times after Epstein pled guilty to procuring prostitution from a minor in 2008.

LUTNICK: She's on the board of the Kennedy Center.

LEE (voice-over): In 2012, Lutnick's wife communicated with an Epstein assistant about arranging a visit and lunch on one of Epstein's private islands in the Caribbean. "Jeffrey Epstein understands you will be down in Saint Thomas over the holidays," Epstein's assistant wrote to Lutnick. "Jeffrey requested I please pass along some phone numbers to you so the two of you can possibly get together."

The next month, Lutnick wife saying in an email that was forwarded to Epstein, "We are looking forward to visiting you." She even inquired about the best place to dock their 188-foot yacht. "Where should we anchor exactly?"

Lutnick confirming Tuesday that he did visit Epstein's infamous island where Epstein was accused of transporting underage girls for sex work.

LUTNICK: My wife was with me, as were my four children and nannies. I had another couple with -- they were there as well, with their children. And we had lunch on the island. That is true for an hour. And we left with all of my children, with my nannies and my wife all together. I don't -- I don't recall why we did it.

SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): And you realize that, you know, this -- this visit took place after he had been convicted, right?

LEE (voice-over): The files show numerous other correspondents several years after Epstein was convicted for procuring a child for prostitution. Epstein's assistant telling Epstein in 2011, "Howard Lutnick returned your call." In another email, an assistant writing, "Howard Lutnick will come see you at 5:00 p.m."

Meanwhile, the heading of a reminder message reads, "Drinks with Howard Lutnick". Lutnick and Epstein also appear to have invested together in an advertising analytics firm in 2013, according to a contract found in the Epstein files.

The revelation of Lutnick's additional contacts with Epstein fueling outrage and calls for the secretary's resignation.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE (R-KY): He should make life easier on the president, frankly, and just resign. If this were Great Britain, he'd already be gone.

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LEE (on camera): Now, in terms of the potential political fallout for Lutnick, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt saying this afternoon that Trump fully supports Lutnick and that he remains an important member of the Trump administration, Erin.

BURNETT: M.J., thank you very much.

And I want to go now to Congressman Robert Garcia. He's the top Democrat on Oversight.

Congressman Garcia, Lutnick was adamant today. He had no relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. He said he only met him three times over the 14 years they were neighbors, in which he included a lunch on Epstein's island with his family. I don't know, does that fit with you with meeting someone just three times over 14 years that you'd have lunch on an island in the Caribbean with your family? Does that add up to you? And do you still think he should resign?

REP. ROBERT GARCIA (D-CA): The secretary should absolutely resign. And we should be very clear that these conversations, the visit, the communication, the going into investments together, that was all happening after Secretary Lutnick understood who Jeffrey Epstein was, that he was already engaged in the trafficking and abuse of women and children

[19:50:04] And he himself just recently said that he had no contact with Epstein post 2005. Well, he was lying about his relationship, he's now underplaying what he did and what he knew. And I think it's very important that all of this information that Howard Lutnick had, he made decisions, business decisions, decisions to meet with Epstein, had to have his wife communicate with him, knowing the monster that Jeffrey Epstein already was.

This is a person that should not be a cabinet secretary in the United States. He should resign or be fired. We're going to stay on Howard Lutnick. We're going to continue to ask questions. And we -- he -- we've told James Comer this as well. He should testify in front of the Oversight Committee.

BURNETTT: So that interview that Miranda Devine did with Howard Lutnick was really incredible. I mean, he just he was telling a story. He revealed himself. I have played clips from that so many times because it was just phenomenally done.

And now, here we are playing it again in the context of the fact that it seems that what was said there doesn't comport with what happened.

So let me play something else that he said on the podcast. Here he is.

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LUTNICK: That's what his M.O. was, you know. Get a massage, get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume, was on video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmailed people. That's how he had money.

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BURNETT: Okay. I guess a few questions. First of all, given what we know now, do you think he really -- you know, he knew that, right? I mean that that was not just supposition that that was fact. And secondly, in all these documents, we've gotten -- we've gotten documents, but no tapes. No videos. Do you think they're all sitting there at DOJ?

GARCIA: So, first, I'm glad you played that clip. We should be really clear. That is Lutnick is giving this interview and describing how horrified he is about the massage table and the candles, and he himself going back to his wife and describing how awful things are. He then goes on to try to do business with them, to visit him, to communicate him through third parties, to invest with him.

So, clearly, the man is lying. He's a liar. He palled around with a known pedophile and he right now is a secretary of the Commerce Department here in the United States. The man needs to be fired or resigned period. He's a disgrace to the United States. And the fact that he did this, he needs to be held accountable. And no, no question.

The other thing I think is really important at this moment is folks like whether its Howard Lutnick or whether it's Alex Acosta or so many other people involved have been involved in government that have been in the president's orbit. It's clear that the president and the DOJ have been involved in not just a cover but hiding in over redacting documents.

And so, where are those videos that Howard Lutnick is talking about? Who are the names that are being redacted by the DOJ? We now know that much of the documents are redacted we can't even read what's on them.

The DOJ has to follow not just the law that was passed, but the subpoena that was passed by the oversight committee in the summer that calls for a full release of the files. No redactions of anyone but the survivors and all the information that the DOJ is still hiding. They actually have to release.

BURNETT: All right. So when you talk about people in President Trump, President Trump's orbit -- obviously, President Trump himself is also mentioned many times in the files and the White House is today refusing to confirm whether Trump called the palm beach police chief in 2006 about Epstein because there's a newly released FBI doc, which, of course, you're aware of, Congressman, which quotes Trump as telling that police chief. And here's the quote, "Thank goodness you're stopping him. Everyone has known he's been doing this," which is an absolutely stunning thing, of course. Again, they're saying this was 2006.

So, Karoline Leavitt was asked about it today, the press secretary. And here's how she responded.

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KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It was a phone call that may or may not have happened in 2006. I don't know the answer to that question. What I'm telling you is that what President Trump has always said is that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club because Jeffrey Epstein was a creep and that remains true. And this call, if it did happen, corroborates exactly what President Trump has said from the beginning.

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BURNETT: Is that how you see it?

GARCIA: That's false. I mean, first, there's been reporting, including by "The Wall Street Journal" and others, that, in fact Jeffrey Epstein continued to actually go to Mar-a-Lago. He actually continued to actually seek out women and girls at Mar-a-Lago spa to break them, to bring them back for in for house visits to men.

And so, I don't care.

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I mean, the press secretary enjoys to lie on television consistently for the president. What's important here are the facts. The facts are that Jeffrey Epstein continued to go to Mar-a-Lago. That has been reported by "The Wall Street Journal" and others. The facts are that Howard Lutnick has now lied multiple times and

palled around with a known pedophile, and chooses to continue to stay in office and disgrace the United States.

So, there's a lot of unanswered questions. But the most important thing that needs to be answered right now is why Pam Bondi and Donald Trump continue to protect powerful men and coconspirators and not release the rest of the files.

BURNETT: Yeah, there's real questions as to these redactions and not even just the redactions that didn't need to be there, but also all the documents. We still haven't even gotten, never mind the videos and tapes that possibly are there that that we haven't seen.

Congressman, thank you so much. I appreciate you.

And next here, the shocking admission from an Olympian who had just won a bronze

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BURNETT: Tonight, a way, I suppose to celebrate an Olympic medal, a Norwegian Olympian just minutes after winning the bronze in the men's 20 kilometer biathlon, confessing to the entire world that he had been unfaithful to his girlfriend. The wild interview ending with the athlete in tears.

Twenty-eight-year-old Sturla Holm Laegreid reportedly said that he hoped by, quote, "committing" social suicide and revealing his infidelity on the global stage, that he would win her back. And then he said this.

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STURLA HOLM LAEGREID, NORWEGIAN OLYMPIAN: Today, I made the choice to tell the world what I did so maybe, maybe there is a chance that she will show -- see what she really means to me. And maybe not. But I don't want to think I didn't try everything to get her back.

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BURNETT: Well, whether she decides to take him back or not, she's got a story for the rest of her life to share.

All right. Thanks so much to all of you for being with us.

Our coverage tonight continues now with Anderson Cooper and "AC360".