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Republican Congressman Rebuked; Yale Murder Mystery

Aired September 15, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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CAMPBELL BROWN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Tonight, here are the questions we want answered.

Congressman Joe Wilson, folk hero or fool? Today, the man who heckled the president...

REP. JOE WILSON (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: You lie.

C. BROWN: ... under fire on Capitol Hill, formally reprimanded by his own colleagues.

REP. STENY HOYER (D-MD), MAJORITY LEADER: Mr. Wilson did not so conduct himself on the evening of September 9.

WILSON: There far more important issues facing this nation.

C. BROWN: Republicans call today's move a big fat stunt. Our question tonight, can we finally put a stop to the shouting and get back to a civil debate?

Also tonight, new details in the shocking murder of a Yale grad student just days before her wedding. How close are police to arresting the killer of Annie Le? We will have all the latest developments.

Plus, the chairman of the Federal Reserve says the recession is very likely over. Really? We're getting some straight talk from the most trusted voice out there, billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

And tennis legend Billie Jean King speaks out on Serena Williams' U.S. Open outburst.

BILLIE JEAN KING, FORMER PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: I just couldn't believe that happened. But we all have our meltdowns.

C. BROWN: And Kim Clijsters' big win for moms everywhere.

KING: I think it meant a lot of her to win in front of her baby.

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ANNOUNCER: This is your only source for news. CNN prime time begins now. Here's Campbell Brown.

C. BROWN: Hi, everybody. We are coming to you tonight from just north of San Diego at the Four Seasons resort in Carlsbad. I am here for "Fortune" magazine's Most Powerful Women Summit. This is an annual gathering of newsmakers from government, from corporate America, from media, from entertainment, a gathering of women to talk about ways to try to effect change in this country and how to increase the power of women.

We have a lot of ground to cover and a lot to talk about tonight, but we're going to start as we always do with the "Mash-Up." It is of course our look at the stories making an impact right now, the moments you may have missed.

And for that, we're going to go back to New York and Erica Hill.

Hey, Erica.

ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Campbell, thanks.

An official slap on the wrist for Congressman Joe Wilson this afternoon, the House passing a resolution of disapproval because Wilson refused to apologize on the House floor for shouting at President Obama last week. The congressman, though, also weighed in on today's move.

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WILSON: The president said the time for games is over. I agree with the president. He graciously accepted my apology, and the issue is over. It is time that we move forward and get to work for the American people.

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HILL: The two-paragraph resolution states Wilson's outburst when he shouted "You lie" during the president's address was a breech of decorum and degraded the proceedings. The House voted not surprisingly mostly along party lines. So, here's a look at the view from the left and the right.

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: Nothing more than a partisan stunt aimed at trying to divert people's attention from the real issue that the American people want to talk, and that's talk about health care.

REP. JAMES CLYBURN (D), SOUTH CAROLINA: This is not a partisan stunt. This is about the proper decorum that should take place on the floor of the United States House of Representatives.

REP. ERIC CANTOR (R-VA), HOUSE MINORITY WHIP: Plain and simple, this resolution doesn't reflect the priority of the American people.

HOYER: This House ought not to stand silent in the face of conduct almost universally and by Mr. Wilson himself that was felt to be inappropriate. (END VIDEO CLIP)

HILL: Other lawmakers went a step further, hinting at racism.

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REP. HANK JOHNSON (D), GEORGIA: He did not help the cause of diversity and tolerance.

I guess we will probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside intimidating people.

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HILL: Well, Congressman Wilson of course did apologize to the president right after the speech. The president accepted that apology, but it's never really over that quickly. And we will have more on this coming up for you.

Meantime, President Barack Obama seemingly back in campaign mode today -- the White House confirming today he will appear on five Sunday morning shows this week, including right here on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION." And then Monday night, it's off to "The Late Show With David Letterman."

And check out this stop today in Ohio, where the president spoke to autoworkers and was very clearly on message. In fact, it sounded a little bit like a pep rally.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm fighting for you and your families and I'm going to keep on doing it as long as I'm president of the United States.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: That's what I'm fighting for every day. We are fighting for an America where your children will be armed with the skills they need to compete with any worker anywhere in the world.

We are fighting for an America where clean energy generates green jobs. Just in case you are wondering, we are fighting for an America where no American should have to worry about going without health insurance. As long as you still have got an ounce of fight left in you, I have got a ton of fight left in me. I'm going to keep fighting for a future that is brighter for this community and brighter for Ohio and brighter for the United States of America. I'm skinny, but I'm tough.

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HILL: Mr. Obama speaking at a GM plant where more than 1,000 employees will be back to work in the next few weeks to build more Chevy Cobalts. When it comes to the recession, there is a mixed message from the president's economic team. Is it over? It all depends on who you ask.

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BEN BERNANKE, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: The economic activity appears to be leveling out both in the United States and abroad and the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good. The recession is very likely over.

TIMOTHY GEITHNER, U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY: We don't have in place yet a real recovery. We define recovery and the president will define recovery as people back to work. And we are not at the point where we can say that yet.

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HILL: Unemployment of course now stands at a 26-year high, 9.7 percent.

We do want to ask one more person, though, about the recovery, the oracle of Omaha. Billionaire Warren Buffett himself will weigh in just ahead.

Vice President Biden in Iraq today for a surprise visit. And just hours after his arrival, the heavily fortified Green Zone came under fire.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Duck and cover. Get away from the window. Take cover and await further instructions.

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HILL: Four loud booms were heard. One round hit. It's not known, though, just how close the vice president was, as reporters are not allowed to disclose his exact location for security reasons. Mr. Biden is expected to meet with the Iraqi prime minister, though, during his visit.

Also in Iraq, the journalist who famously threw his shoes at then President George W. Bush released from jail today. Muntazer al-Zaidi also called President Bush a dog. Both are considered grave insults in Arabic culture. While the attacks made him a hero to some, the Iraqi courts didn't exactly see it that way, originally sentencing him to three years.

After nine months in prison, though, he is now a free man.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's an image that nobody is likely to forget about any time soon, two shoes being hurled towards the former U.S. President George W. Bush. Well, the man responsible for that today walked out of prison today, a hero to millions and unrepentant after nearly a year behind bars.

His first words to the world -- quote -- "Here, I am free, and the country is still prisoner."

He launched into a speech seemingly still filled with anger haunted by the images he saw as a reporter in Baghdad, a hero in his home, but not necessarily everywhere else. Some believe journalists believe he should have used the power of his pen, rather than his attack with his shoes.

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HILL: Now, he also alleges he was tortured in prison. CNN has confirmed he has now left Iraq and may not return.

It turns out even the president has a little something to say about Kanye West's on-stage ambush of Taylor Swift at the MTV Video Music Awards on Sunday night, but probably didn't want all of us to hear it.

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BLITZER: It was off the record, but posted on Twitter, President Obama calling Kanye West a jackass -- quote -- "jackass," for his outburst during singer Taylor Swift's speech at the MTV Video Music Awards.

ABBI TATTON, CNN INTERNET REPORTER: Mistakenly posted to Twitter by ABC News, taken down, but it was already out there.

OBAMA: The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's getting her award. What's he doing out there?

QUESTION: Why would he do that?

OBAMA: He's a jackass.

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OBAMA: Well, he may not have wanted everybody to hear it, but plenty of Americans might agree.

Kanye himself not done talking about the incident, although Jay Leno actually seemed to catch the rapper in a rare moment where he was at a loss for words last night.

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JAY LENO, HOST, "THE JAY LENO SHOW": I was fortunate enough to meet your mom and talk with your mom a number of years ago. What do you think she would have said about this? Would she be disappointed in this? Would she give you a lecture?

KANYE WEST, MUSICIAN: Yes. I'm just ashamed that my hurt caused someone else's hurt.

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HILL: As for that someone else, Taylor Swift welcomed today with open arms by the ladies of "The View." The audience also making it very clear just whose side they are on.

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TAYLOR SWIFT, MUSICIAN: My overall thought process went something like, wow, I can't believe I won. This is awesome. Don't trip and fall. I'm going to get to thank the fans. This is so cool. Oh, Kanye West is here.

(LAUGHTER)

SWIFT: Cool haircut.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

SWIFT: Kanye West is here. Cool haircut. What are you doing there?

(LAUGHTER)

SWIFT: And then ouch. And then I guess I'm not going to get to thank the fans.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If he came to you, would you want to meet with you face-to-face?

SWIFT: Sure. He has not personally reached out or anything, but if he wanted to say hi.

BARBARA WALTERS, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": He hasn't called or send a message or an e-mail or anything?

SWIFT: No.

WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": Well, hopefully, if Kanye is watching, he will know what to do.

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HILL: Whoopi was right. According to team Taylor, Kanye reached out right after "The View" and personally apologized.

Kanye West's bad behavior prime fodder for late-night comedians, which of course brings us to tonight's "Punchline" courtesy of Conan O'Brien.

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CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, "LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN": Of course, you all saw this last -- this is what I'm talking about, Kanye West at the Video Music Awards. Kanye West interrupted Taylor Swift's acceptance speech. And after he did that, after he was done interrupting her, MTV threw him out. They threw him out of the building.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O'BRIEN: Yes, they just tossed him out. So, it's official. MTV has a lower tolerance for bad behavior than the United States Congress.

(LAUGHTER)

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HILL: No official resolution though, Campbell.

That of course is the "Mash-Up" -- back over to you in sunny Southern California, not a bad place to be.

C. BROWN: I'm not complaining. I miss my babies, but I got to admit it's pretty nice out here. Erica, thanks very much.

And, as Erica reported, late today, the House did reprimand the congressman who had shouted "You lie" at President Obama last week. But will that be enough to get us back to a civil debate?

And billionaire Warren Buffett speaks out on what's gone wrong with our economy. Listen.

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WARREN BUFFETT, CHAIRMAN & CEO, BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY: We had a huge bubble. And it started out in residential real estate and then it spread throughout. And people generally got -- it was almost a mass delusion that houses could go no -- nothing but go up in price and financial instruments were sold based on that and people made all kinds of decisions based on it, and we learned we were wrong on that.

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C. BROWN: Just a little while ago, the House of Representatives formally rebuked Congressman Joe Wilson. He is, of course, the South Carolina Republican who shouted "You lie" during President Obama's speech last week. He apologized to the president, but today he refused to apologize to his colleagues. Listen.

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WILSON: It is the Democrat leadership in their rush to pass a very bad government health care plan that is bad medicine for America. It has muzzled the voices we represent and provoked partisanship.

When we are done here today, we will not have taken any steps closer to helping more American families afford health insurance or helping small businesses create new jobs. The challenges our nation faces something are far bigger than any one member of the House. It is time we move forward and get to work for the American people.

I yield the balance of my time.

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C. BROWN: So, it's over. It's done. Will this stop all the shouting now?

Joining me to talk about this, Tina Brown, who is folks, the founder of TheDailyBeast.com, Arianna Huffington, founder of "The Huffington Post," former New York Republican Congresswoman Susan Molinari with us as well, and "TIME" magazine national political correspondent Karen Tumulty.

Welcome to everybody.

Arianna, Republicans are calling today's proceedings a big stunt. Are they right?

ARIANNA HUFFINGTON, CO-FOUNDER, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM: Well, no, they're not.

Republicans are always asking for censure motions whenever a Democrat goes over the top. So that was fine. What is amazing is how long this has gone on and the unprecedented amounts of money that both Joe Wilson and his Democratic opponent have raised. It's over a million dollars each.

C. BROWN: But why is that amazing? Isn't that par for the course, too, in a way?

HUFFINGTON: Well, what is interesting is that there are actually rules in the House about what you can and cannot say. And liar is not among the things you can say. You can say disgrace. You can say nitwit. You can say quite a lot of things, but not liar.

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C. BROWN: What do you think, Tina?

TINA BROWN, CO-FOUNDER, THEDAILYBEAST.COM: Well, I think that the trouble is that there is a lot of anger out there, and there is.

And Joe Wilson had his buffoon moment, and it -- but it's beyond that at this point. Those big crowds that came out really showed that the displaced anger that people feel I think from the meltdown a year ago and what it's done to their lives ever since. We have had Detroit and we have had the banks and we have had the foreclosures.

I think it's taken all this time for things to sink through. So, Joe Wilson has just become a kind of icon of that group of people in a sense, which is a big amount of people who feel that they are the roadkill in all these measures. C. BROWN: And they may be a fringe element, Susan, but what we are seeing at some of -- at these tea parties are some pretty over- the-top things. A lot of people are charging racism and these images of President Obama as an African witch doctor when they talk about health care.

SUSAN MOLINARI (R), FORMER U.S. CONGRESSWOMAN: Sure. Look, I think it's very important in this debate to separate those people who are fringe elements and those people who are racist and those people who have some serious concerns about the direction of this country and who want to both voice their anger and who probably came and demonstrated in Washington, D.C., very peaceably and very angrily and with a great deal of concern about the direction of the deficit and the increasing deficit and all the expansion of government programs that President Obama and the Democrats are suggesting.

So, yes, of course, there is an element of fringe and hatred and ugliness, as there is when there is a Republican in the White House, and some terrible, terrible things were said about George Bush over the last eight years. So, I think that's not to excuse them, but it's not to minimize the people who are concerned out there.

C. BROWN: So, Karen, when the White House observes these kinds of protests, the Joe Wilson incident, what's their take on it? How worried are they?

KAREN TUMULTY, NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, "TIME": At the White House, they will tell you that what they have seen since August, the near riots at the town halls, the craziness of death panels, that this is not really what worries them, that they feel like their numbers have held up pretty well through the month of August, that this is something the president can handle.

What worries them is actually what they began seeing all the way back in June. And that was a sort of quieter and deeper unease with what people see, what independents, what moderates see coming out of Washington. They feel as though it's just too much, it's overwhelming. And they also feel that on health care in particular, people who have coverage, who -- that's the vast majority of Americans, people who are fairly satisfied with their coverage understand there is a problem out there, they understand this is bad for the economy, but they're starting to worry that Washington's idea of fixing it is going to make their own health care worse.

C. BROWN: But they are in this situation, Arianna, where you can't win over independents and those sort of conservative Democrats I guess who think maybe he has bitten off more than he can chew, but at the same time he is losing the far left, who thinks he is not going far enough.

HUFFINGTON: I really don't think it has anything to do with left and right. I think it has to do with this very deep unease, that sense that we are not living in a fair country.

And it's displaced, as Tina said, because it has different direct causes for different people. But the point is that people see these trillions of dollars that went to the banks, even if they don't know the details, even if they don't know exactly what happened, and they see that in their communities, the recession is not over.

They can hear Ben Bernanke say today the recession is over, but that's not the feeling of millions of Americans.

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HUFFINGTON: They don't feel it. So, there is a real disconnect, and this administration has not come to terms with the disconnect, with the fact that when you are losing your job or losing your home or being in debt with your credit card, you can't feel the recession is over.

C. BROWN: All right, stand by, guys. We are going to talk about when we come back this media blitz that the president is about to go on to try to convey what -- the message that clearly hasn't gotten through, at least not yet, from the White House perspective, his thoughts on health care. He's got a brand-new push planned, as we said.

Will it work? We will talk about that when we come back, though.

Just ahead, though, the very latest news on swine flu. Roll up your sleeve. The vaccine apparently is going to be ready sooner than we thought.

Also, what Billie Jean King thinks of Serena Williams and her outburst at the U.S. Open.

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KING: You could just see Serena was uptight that night. I have never heard her use the language she used. And I'm thinking, God, that's not the Serena I know.

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C. BROWN: Are we are back coming to you tonight from San Diego at "Fortune" magazine's Most Powerful Women Summit. We're going to have a lot more from here shortly.

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C. BROWN: What can President Obama do to get America on board with his health care plan?

Plus, is the recession over? You're going to hear from legendary investor Warren Buffett when we come back.

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C. BROWN: We are here at "Fortune" magazine's Most Powerful Women Summit coming up -- or coming to you tonight from just north of San Diego, at the Four Seasons resort in Carlsbad.

Big week for the president, opening a new front in his battle for health care reform.

And with me once again to talk about all this, Tina Brown, Arianna Huffington, Susan Molinari, and Karen Tumulty.

And, Tina, the president making the rounds to push this, the media rounds. He's doing five interviews, television interviews, on Sunday. And then he's doing "David Letterman" on Monday.

What does he need to say, what does he need to convey in these interviews?

T. BROWN: I think he has to just be very, very sort of short and clear and emotional when he talks about this, because he's -- it's just been so much wonkery, that everybody is just worn out...

C. BROWN: Wonked out.

T. BROWN: ... wonked out with it. They don't understand it.

And I think it's one of the reasons, frankly, for the hostility, is the inability to quite grasp what's being said, because when he ran on change, people like the idea of change, but actually they don't really like the reality of change. Change has become a very fearful thing in their lives.

In fact, I think most people are thinking, I want my old life back, whatever it was like before. It's not as scary as it is now. So, somehow, he got to be reassuring now and clear and concise, so that we can just grasp it and feel there's some emotional warmth to it all.

C. BROWN: Susan, is this the right strategy? George Bush was often criticized when he was president for not speaking out enough when he was trying to make the case for Iraq or whatever.

MOLINARI: Well, look, I think it's the only thing he can do at this point.

This is -- he has made this the linchpin of the rest of his presidency, quite frankly. And if he is going to sort of get the mojo back to continue down the road, if he can, on climate change and financial services modernization -- I mean, pick an issue -- he's got to win this, no matter how you define win. And obviously how we define win has changed.

But I agree with Tina in one aspect. When he gave the speech the other night and he talked about Senator Kennedy, I think he really, for the first time, and probably a little too late, described the moral imperative of why he wanted to do this, not change for change sake, for the patriotic sake, the moral imperative sake.

But, to Karen's point, one of the reasons why people are so unsure and feel the ground shifting underneath them, you can't just me about a moral imperative. This is my health care, my kids' health care. How much is it going to cost? What does it do to the deficit? How are we going to handle it?

The Democrats today are still fighting over public option inclusion. What is it going to look like? You know, the big laugh line of the health care speech, will the -- you know, we -- I still have details to iron out.

Time's up. You know, that's why people are getting unsure. What are those details? What are you going to sell this week? There has to be more details forthcoming in his television appearances.

C. BROWN: And, Arianna, he has been called a great communicator, but one thing he said a couple of times today, over and over, he's a fighter. Why did he feel compelled to keep saying that when he was talking today? Does he have a toughness problem as some people, you know, may be beginning to suggest a little bit in terms of trying to just close the deal and get it done?

HUFFINGTON: What he has demonstrated in the last few months that he wasn't willing to fight, that he wanted to bring everybody along. He wanted to have a kind of beer summit with everybody in the White House and sing Kumbaya (ph) and sign health care reform. And that was really very naive.

You know, there are many competing interests. You don't pass major reform without having a lot of people against you. He tried to bring the pharmaceutical industry, the health insurance industry, the hospitals, everybody in the White House, give them something in advance then pretend that he didn't give them something in advance.

He was triangulating. He was sounding like a fixer and not like the great leader who was going to be transformational, and that's what people have voted for. So there was a real disconnect between the campaign Obama and the governing Obama.

BROWN: But he has also -- I mean, it hasn't been a lack of disability that's the problem here, Karen. I mean, he may not have been saying it as effectively as some people want or fighting, you know, as vocally, but he's been out there with news conferences and speech after speech. Are they worried all about sort of overexposure?

TUMULTY: Well, I talked to the president in late July. He said this has been -- communicating this has been the hardest challenge of my public life. But the fact is the president is the only person who can really keep people focused on why we're doing this and where we're going. And if he is not speaking, then what people see is the back and forth in Congress over the individual elements of this bill, none of which all by itself is particularly popular.

C. BROWN: All right. To end it there, Karen, Susan, Arianna, Tina, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

C. BROWN: When we come back, tonight's newsmaker, the most powerful woman that you have never heard of. Stay there and find out who she is.

Plus, we'll find out whether Warren Buffett agrees with the fed chairman that the recession is basically over. And we're going to bring in the latest details on the search for the killer of the Yale grad student, Annie Le, when we come back.

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HILL: We will have more from Campbell Brown and "Fortune" magazine's most powerful women summit in California. But first, we do want to get you caught up on some new developments tonight in the Jaycee Dugard kidnapping case.

Investigators today searching the home of her alleged abductors, looking for clues in the unsolved disappearances of two other young girls who vanished in the late 1980s. Now police say Phillip Garrido cannot be eliminated as a suspect in neither case, and they actually have said they plan to take apart his house if necessary.

Dan Simon is outside that home in Contra Costa County, California. Criminologist Casey Jordan joins us here in New York.

Dan, I want to go first to you just for an update on what happened today, what they were looking for and what was found.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Erica, first of all when this case broke late last month, police said they were going to look at Phillip and Nancy Garrido as possible suspects in other high profile crimes, including kidnappings.

Well, today, police were back out at the house using some ground- penetrating radar to look for anything that might be buried beneath the ground, including bodies. About 60 law enforcement personnel here on hand looking for all kinds of evidence. Again, they're looking at a connection between the Garridos and two kidnappings that occurred about 20 years ago.

The first case involved Ilene Misheloff who was just 13 years old when she vanished while walking home from school in 1989. The second case involving Michaela Garecht, 9 years old, when she was abducted outside of a supermarket.

That case in particular has gotten a lot of attention because police say that Michaela Garecht and Jaycee Dugard, of course, the victim who was held captive for about 20 year, they say that Dugard and Garecht look similar in appearance when they were both abducted, about the same age as well. In addition, police are also saying that a composite sketch of the suspect in the Garecht case also bears a striking resemblance to Phillip Garrido back in the late '70s and the early '80s.

I want you to listen now to the mother of Michaela Garecht who spoke out just a short time ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SHARON MURCH, MOTHER OF MICHAELA GARECHT: I am hoping that this will lead to a resolution and I'm hoping that it will lead to a positive resolution. I know that if Jaycee Dugard can be found alive and come home after 18 years, then my daughter can be found alive and come home after 18 years.

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SIMON: And, Erica, police say this search will continue through at least the rest of the week. Back to you.

HILL: All right. Dan Simon live for us in Contra Costa County. Dan, thanks.

Casey, I want to turn to you now. Dan mentioned there not only the similarities of Michaela Garecht and Jaycee Dugard at the time of their abduction. They looked alike. There were the sketches. Police also talking about a similar car was sighted.

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Exactly.

HILL: They're going to need more than that, though, obviously, to make some sort of a concrete connection between these abductions. So what specifically do you think police are looking for, hoping to make that link?

JORDAN: Physical evidence. Now, the circumstantial evidence that you just went over, all those add up. You've got these two girls abducted and missing for more than 20 years, both within four or five months of each other, and just a few months before Jaycee was abducted. It is entirely in keeping with predatory behavior that if, indeed, he had abducted these other girls and they did not survive the experience, they could be buried on the property.

He had access to his neighbor's house where he was a caretaker. They have found a bone fragment. They are currently testing it to see if it's human, but they would be remiss if they did not fully investigate, turn that soil, look for any clues.

HILL: And they have actually said they think it's human. They have not positively identified it as human.

JORDAN: Correct.

HILL: But that came out which really raised a lot of people's -- a lot of people's ears, made you think a little bit about it.

JORDAN: Absolutely. And the parents want closure one way or the other. If there are human remains back there, they can't leave any stone unturned until they get the answers.

HILL: We will continue to follow that. But we also do want to some developments which happened today in the Annie Le case, specifically law enforcement officials telling CNN they don't have a person of interest. They're telling us they're actually expanding the circle of people they want to talk to, which already numbers more than 200. And also very clear today, with our team in New Haven, that DNA is going to play a significant role here and that they don't want to make any arrests, it sounds like, until the DNA test results are back. Why is that so important here?

JORDAN: Oh, that's just good policing, good investigation work. Keep in mind, they're interviewing 200 people, but they don't have 200 suspects. And many of the people they're talking to, they're probably talking to about their suspects. So if they have a specific person they're looking at very carefully, there has been a lot of talk about this.

Understand what they're doing right now is probably back pedaling to preserve their investigation. You don't want to have anything screwed up that going to keep you from getting an arrest warrant.

HILL: And that's why they're not releasing details of the autopsy...

JORDAN: Of course not.

HILL: ... even though it was planned to be released today?

JORDAN: Correct, because that keeps their investigation clean. No details released to the press means that any information they get is clean. It hasn't been tainted by media reports.

It's really just good investigation. I think they have a suspect, and I like that they're saying they don't because that's just -- if he's out there, it gives him enough rope to hang himself with.

HILL: All right. Well, we'll be talking to you then hopefully soon about an arrest if and when there is one. Casey Jordan, good to have you with us.

JORDAN: I will. Good to be here.

HILL: In just a minute, Campbell's interview with Billie Jean King. The long-time queen of women's tennis speaking out tonight on Serena Williams' outburst and Kim Clijsters' big win in the U.S. Open.

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BILLIE JEAN KING, FORMER WOMEN'S PRO-TENNIS PLAYER: When she went away so young, I went oh, wow, and now she's back. She's happily married, has a sweet little child. And I think it meant a lot to her to win in front of her baby.

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C. BROWN: Welcome back, everybody. We're coming to you tonight from "Fortune" magazine's most powerful women's summit near San Diego. Tonight's newsmaker is pioneering tennis legend Billie Jean King who recently received the presidential Medal of Freedom. And we sat down here a little bit ago to talk about her ongoing fight for equality in sports and this week's big news out of the U.S. Open.

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C. BROWN: You are a hero to so many people, not just women. But because of what you have done in your life, you have made things possible for a lot of women. I know for you it's not just about women, but, I mean, look at the WNBA, pro-women's soccer. When you see those kind of successes that you know you inspired and in some way, are you proud of it?

BILLIE JEAN KING, FORMER WOMEN'S PRO-TENNIS PLAYER: I'm proud of it, but I don't really look back very much. I'm antsy for the day and tomorrow and like trying to help the change continue. Because for instance, you just brought women's sports, we're so far behind compared to men's sports that we are in infancy. We've got in the market place very late. So it's going to be very difficult.

C. BROWN: So, what needs to happen?

KING: We need women and men to support us because most people at least have daughters or nieces or granddaughters and both boys and girls have to really come out and support these women, and particularly women have to support because they are kind of role models for their daughters.

C. BROWN: Let me ask you about the U.S. Open.

KING: Everyone is.

C. BROWN: I know. Without question.

KING: Thanks, Campbell. I think I know what I'm going to ask me.

C. BROWN: Well, I may surprise you. There were two moments at the U.S. Open that were stand-out moments for me. One, and this may have been my favorite picture of the year I'm going to share with yours, was Kim Clijsters' winning the U.S. Open.

KING: That's right.

C. BROWN: And seeing her daughter run out there, and me as a working mom to know how hard it is to leave your career, to take a maternity leave and then to try to get back in to see her leave tennis to start a family, to come back and to win was pretty extraordinary. What did you think about that?

KING: How about it was extraordinary, but she did leave early. And Kim was starting to get unhappy on the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour. She was starting to -- you could see she wanted to get married and have children. She had a yearning for that.

I don't know if people realized, but she was the most liked player on the tour. When she went away so young, I went oh, wow, and now she's back. She's happily married, has a sweet little child. And I think it meant a lot to her to win in front of her baby. C. BROWN: To me, she is such a role model for so many women.

KING: Yes.

C. BROWN: I mean, well beyond sports.

KING: Yes, exactly. That's what I'm saying.

C. BROWN: You can attempt to have it all at least.

KING: It's true, but she's balanced it well.

C. BROWN: Also at the U.S. Open this year, we saw Serena Williams out on the court have this meltdown basically.

KING: It's the first time I've ever seen that.

C. BROWN: What did you think when you watched?

KING: Well, I was at the match at the early part of the match and she was wound very tightly, even at the first point.

C. BROWN: Yes.

KING: She was edgy. I just couldn't believe that happened because I've never seen Serena. I've known Serena since she was 10 years old. I've never seen her do that.

So, I don't know what's going on in her life. I don't know what set her off. I wish she'd apologize more quickly.

C. BROWN: Quickly, yes.

KING: I don't know where she was coming from until I talk with her and listen to her. I don't know, but the three most important words in the English language are I'm sorry, I apologize, I made a mistake. And I felt like, just say it quickly...

C. BROWN: Yes.

KING: ... because show remorse, show it, because I know she was feeling it, but she was having such a hard time articulating it.

C. BROWN: Do you think a bit of a double standard. You look at McEnroe and Connors and the antics we saw from them on the court a lot of the times.

KING: Yes.

C. BROWN: And we don't expect that from women. I mean, is that fair?

KING: Well, I expect it from both because I've seen it. If you're an athlete out there and you're giving everything you've got, you're bringing all of yourself to something because it's so physical, emotional and mental. BC. ROWN: You were invited to the White House to receive the Medal of Freedom. This is a huge honor. Tell me what it was like.

KING: Well, my mother who almost passed away this year got to go. That was major.

C. BROWN: Oh.

KING: (INAUDIBLE) partner in life, her mother got to go. Our nephew and her sister and two friends of ours got to go. They only let us invite eight because there were 16 recipients.

C. BROWN: Right.

KING: But it was such a surreal moment for me because it doesn't seem real, but I got to see Muhammad Yunus (ph) again, who's one of my heroes, and Harvey Milk's nephew is there, and finally, the elderly (ph) community has been acknowledged by the leader of our country, President Obama. That was a very special moment for me personally and to think about all those people that I was fortunate enough to be in the same room with. And then I look at this medal and I go, I have so many things flashing through my mind about all the people who have helped me in my life because you never do anything alone.

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C. BROWN: Tonight, Warren Buffett talks to CNN about today's big news from the head of the Federal Reserve. Is the recession finally over? That's coming up when we come back.

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C. BROWN: Here at "Fortune"'s most powerful women in business summit, we're also hearing from some pretty powerful men like Warren Buffett. The billionaire investor sat down out here with CNN's Poppy Harlow and she asked him the day's big question. Take a look.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: This morning, Fed Chief Ben Bernanke said it is very likely at this point the recession is over. Do you agree, Warren?

WARREN BUFFETT, BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY CEO: Well, I don't know the answer to that. I don't hold myself out as an economics seer or anything. And I don't worry about it too much.

I mean, we're buying stocks this morning. I can tell you that. I'm not buying them based on whether we're going to come out of a recession in three months or six months or a year. I'm buying them because I think we're getting good value overtime, and I think it's a mistake for investors to focus on business forecasts instead of looking at the intrinsic value of business (ph).

(END VIDEO CLIP) C. BROWN: It's an important question, especially for Sheila Bair, the chairwoman of the FDIC who "Fortune" magazine calls one of the most powerful women in Washington, in other lists ranked as one of the most powerful women in the world. She is playing a vital role in keeping the economy stable right now by making sure the money that you put in the bank is protected. And I spoke with her here a short time ago.

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C. BROWN: So the Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said this morning that this recession is, in his words, very likely over.

SHEILA BAIR, FDIC CHAIRWOMAN: Right.

C. BROWN: Do you agree?

BAIR: Well, I would prefer to bend on that. That's a part of the fed's admission to closely monitor economic health. We certainly have seen some strong signs that would suggest that the recovery is real. And so, the question is now whether we're going to be going on the bottom for a while or how quickly will economic activity start picking up again.

C. BROWN: Do you get the sense that Wall Street has learned from its mistakes?

BAIR: No, I have to say I don't, and it concerns me. I do think there is a little too much of business as usual. I think the leadership of these large firms need to speak out more about a culture change. I think they need to offer an exercise, allow more restraint on bonuses. They need to be contrite and recognize the need for taxpayers to come in and stabilize the system because there's some excessive risk taking.

And so, I don't see as many changes as I would like. And we will be increasingly having more of a regulatory response and we need some new statutory authorities from regulatory reform that we hope we'll get in the not too distant future. But no, I don't think things have changed as much as they need to.

C. BROWN: Well, they had it over the last year really at all in terms of regulation.

BAIR: Right. Yes, yes, yes.

C. BROWN: Has that been a mistake? Not enacting things more quickly?

BAIR: Well, I think it's -- it's -- when you're dealing with a crisis and, you know, reacting to all the problems that we've had and getting systems stabilized, I think that had to be the first priority. Now we are in the phase where we need to be stepping up for regulation.

I think capital requirements, first and foremost, need to be raised. We need stronger capital buffers. Over the long term, they need to be built up overtime as the economy recovers.

C. BROWN: About 90 bank, if I have that number right, have failed in this year alone.

BAIR: Right.

C. BROWN: And we sort of see a handful.

BAIR: Right.

C. BROWN: It seems like every Friday.

BAIR: Right. Yes, we do.

C. BROWN: Do you ever worry that the FDIC may not have enough money to cover this also?

BAIR: Right. Yes. We cannot run out of money. We're backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government. We have wide authority to assess the industry, to cover our costs. And behind that, we have up to $500 billion and a lot of credit from treasury that we can tap into if we need to.

Right now, our resources are about $42 billion. And for now, that is more than enough, though we are looking down the road at whether we will need to assess the industry more or borrow from treasury. For insured depositors, they have nothing to worry about. There are plenty of resources there. Nobody has ever lost a penny of insured deposits and never will.

We've been around for over 75 years. But for the industry, the real issue whether we're going to keep assessing them or whether we'll borrow from treasury for a while and pay that back later. That happened once in 1991 in the FDIC's history. We did have to borrow for about six quarters and paid it back in three years. So that may be an option. I never say never but I'd like to continue to rely on our industry kind of resources if we can.

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C. BROWN: And that was FDIC Chairwoman Sheila Bair. If you do want to see Poppy Harlow's complete interview also with Warren Buffett, we should mention, just log on to CNNmoney.com for that.

And that is going to do it from here in sunny California. Erica Hill holding down the fort in New York tonight -- Erica.

HILL: Campbell, thanks.

Movie lovers around the world tonight remembering the late Patrick Swayze. Of course, it wasn't just his acting that left a lasting impression. We'll take a look back at his impact also on dance.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HILL: Actor Patrick Swayze never won an Oscar, or Tony or a Grammy, but his impact on pop culture is undeniable. And today, fans remembering him with flowers on Hollywood's Walk of Fame, a fitting tribute for an American movie icon.

In London, though, at the city's Alwych Theatre where a stage version of his breakthrough "Dirty Dancing" is now playing. They are remembering Patrick Swayze as the man who inspired the world to dance.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I watched an interview earlier here today of him in January saying that he wanted to fight it. He had such courage about him. It's really, really sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To me, it made me not scared to go out and dance because Patrick Swayze was this kind of male man figure that could still move, you know, beautifully and his pattern of work was amazing. So I kind of got rid of that stigma, you know, of men taking up dancing.

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HILL: There is much more on Patrick Swayze coming up next right here on "LARRY KING LIVE."

That does it for us. For Campbell Brown, I'm Erica Hill. Good night.