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Explosive Start to First GOP Presidential Debate; Chuck Schumer to Vote Against Iran Nuclear Deal; Search for Debris from Flight 370. Aired 5-5:30a ET
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Our leaders are stupid. Our politicians are stupid.
JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm my own man.
SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's used to buying politicians.
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How is Hillary Clinton going to lecture me about living paycheck to paycheck?
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's not lying. He's just wrong.
MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: President Obama is trust but vilified.
BUSH: When we invaded, it was a mistake.
GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R-WI), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Iran is not a place we should be doing business with.
PAUL: I oppose the Iranian deal and will vote against it.
HUCKABEE: We didn't even get four hostages out.
[05:00:00] RICK PERRY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would whole lot rather had Carly than John Kerry.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer says he will oppose the agreement.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Those who say we can just walk away from the deal are selling a fantasy.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.
Welcome to a special edition of NEW DAY. Brooke Baldwin and J.B. here with me.
Well, you wanted it and you got it. The Republican Party's top candidates debated and all cliches applied.
Not holding back, and came out swinging and yet, at times, en fuego.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: En fuego.
CUOMO: Oh, yes.
Frontrunner Donald Trump did the most talking. But he did try to stay above the fray except when he didn't. Some of Trump's remarks this morning about his rivals last night and moderators being widely criticized.
BALDWIN: Meanwhile, Carly Fiorina is scoring huge points for the performance in dubbed so-called "happy hour" debate for lower ranked candidates, who won and who lost the raucous debate? How could it all affect the race?
Let's begin our comprehensive debate coverage this morning with CNN political reporter Sara Murray live in Cleveland.
Sara, good morning.
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Good morning, Brooke.
Well, I guess we didn't really have to worry about there not being fireworks on stage. If you wanted them, you got them as all of these candidates tried to break out of the GOP pack.
Let's talk a lot at the highlights.
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MODERATOR: Donald Trump.
MURRAY (voice-over): Right out of the gate, Donald Trump's presence made this a very different Republican debate -- a question about a pledge not to run as an independent.
MODERATOR: Raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. Mr. Trump --
TRUMP: I cannot say. I have to respect the person that if it's not me, the person that wins. If I do win and I'm leading by a bit, that's what I want to do. I can totally make that pledge. If I'm the nominee, I will pledge, I will not run as an independent.
MURRAY: As the GOP crowd booed, Rand Paul, whose outsider status tumbled thanks to Trump, couldn't wait to pounce.
PAUL: This is what's wrong. He buys and sells politicians of all stripes. He's already -- hey, look, look, hedging already his bet on the Clintons. OK?
MURRAY: Trump later lashed out at Paul.
TRUMP: I don't think you heard me. You are having a hard time tonight.
MURRAY: Most of his ire was not aimed not at the competitor, but a FOX moderator.
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS MODERATOR: You called women you don't like fat pig, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your twitter account --
TRUMP: Only Rosie O'Donnell.
I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. I have been -- I have been challenged by so many people and I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. To be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either.
And, honestly, Megyn, if you don't like it, I'm sorry. I have been very nice to you, but I could not be based on the way you treated me, but I wouldn't do that.
MURRAY: But the biggest fireworks flew over Trump's head between Chris Christie and Rand Paul, over personal liberty versus security.
CHRISTIE: When you sit in the sub committee just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that.
PAUL: I don't trust President Obama with our records. I know you gave him a big hug. If you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead.
CHRISTIE: You know, you know, Senator Paul? Senator Paul, you know the hugs that I remember are the hugs I gave to the families who lost their people on September 11th.
MURRAY: All GOP establishment eyes were on Jeb Bush to see if he showed fire in the belly often lacking in his performances.
BUSH: I believe that the great majority of people coming here illegally have no other option. They want to provide for their families. But we need to control our border. There should be a path to earned legal status for those here. Not amnesty. Earned legal status.
MURRAY: Bush's former protege, Marco Rubio, showed off his talent for rhetorical flare.
RUBIO: I think God has blessed us. He blessed the Republican Party with good candidates. Democrats cannot find one.
MURRAY: Ohio's Governor John Kasich had this memorial moment.
GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. Because somebody doesn't think the way I do doesn't mean I can't care about them or can't love them. So, if one of my daughters happen to be that, of course I would love them and I would accept them.
MURRAY: These candidates know a key test for many GOP voters is who can best take on Hillary Clinton.
WALKER: For the cyber attack with Russia the other day, it is sad to think, but the Russian and Chinese government know more about Hillary Clinton's e-mail server than the members of the United States Congress. And that has put our national security at risk.
MURRAY: But the standout moments against Clinton did not happen at this debate, but hours earlier, with the undercard.
[05:05:02] CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary Clinton lies about Benghazi. She lies about e-mails. She is still depending Planned Parenthood and she is still her party's frontrunner.
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MURRAY: You can see there are lots of candidates who managed to get zingers in even with Donald Trump on stage. As for Trump, his campaign quickly put out a press release declaring himself the winner of the debate. He spent most of the night tweeting about the unfair questions from FOX and from Megyn Kelly.
Back to you, Brooke and Chris.
CUOMO: Sara, you did a very nice --
BALDWIN: Still tweeting.
CUOMO: -- yes, he is tweeting right now, Sara. You may be added to the list.
Very nice job setting the tables. So, let's bring in a few other analysts with Sara to kind of figure out who made ground last night and who did not.
We have Peter Hamby, CNN contributor and the head of news at Snapchat, Ron Brownstein, CNN senior political analyst and editorial director at "The National Journal".
Gentlemen, thank you.
Sara, you are with us. Yes.
So, let's start with you, Ron.
When you look at it last night, we knew what the expectations were. What did and did not meet your expectations last night?
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: You know. It was a very entertaining debate. Moderators did a great job. It was gripping and riveting at times.
But I think it left the race more muddled than when it began, because what they did above all, I think it showed the limitations of the candidates of the top tier. Donald Trump was very effective in speaking to his audience. But I think he showed he doesn't have a second gear, that has a broader reach potentially in the Republican Party, that was more presidential and inclusive.
Jeb Bush, as Sara noted, faced questions if he has the energy and vision to really be the frontrunner that his financial status would suggest. And he did nothing to answer those questions.
And the top gear candidate, Scott Walker, really kind of faded into the curtain.
So, what you had were Marco Rubio I thought emphasizing the future. John Kasich emphasizing empathy, probably doing the best.
But the overall story, Chris, I think, is that a race in which there has been a vacuum at the top where no one seized control in the long run, is now I think even more open than it was before this debate begun.
BALDWIN: Let me follow-up to that, and, Peter Hamby, let me bring you in, because you know, Ron talks about the muddling politically. And I'm wondering with Jeb Bush, because a lot of eyes on him. I'm wondering if you felt like a lot of people have been saying he needs to show I want to be president. Show the fire in his belly.
It seemed to me he improved as the night went on. How do you think Jeb Bush did?
PETER HAMBY, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, I disagree with Ron a little bit on that. Look, if you covered him, if you're covering the race and you know his staff, it always kind of feels like Jeb Bush was one stumble away from completely imploding.
He started off a little shaky, but I think he found his footing throughout the debate. His answer on social issues when he was talking about his record on abortion in Florida was very strong and I thought resonated with the audience. His answers on education and immigration, I think, you know, that was him talking about controversial issues in his own terms and on his own words. He did fine.
I think that -- look, he still has lots to prove, but he has plenty of money in the bank, $100 million. That's going to serve him well. I think he was totally fine.
CUOMO: Hamby used a very loaded word in politics, "fine."
BALDWIN: Fine.
CUOMO: It could be a very loaded in politics is fine.
HAMBY: He was not superman. But he's OK. The bar is low.
CUOMO: I hear you, Hamby. That's good word choice.
Sara, you know, a big part of the challenge last night was who could appeal to Trump's base other than Trump, right? You had Cruz wanted to do it, Rand Paul a little bit who wanted to do it, really, everybody. Certainly, Chris Christie.
Do you think anybody got in on his action effectively?
MURRAY: You know, if you were fired up by Donald Trump, I don't think you looked at Ted Cruz on the stage and thought this guy could be my guy if Donald doesn't make it all the way. Ted Cruz felt like he was barely there in that debate.
I don't necessarily think that anyone really broke in to the Trump voters. I think people started sort of edging in that direction in terms of where they stood on a couple of issues in ensuring the base that they are conservatives, assuring the base that they will try to stick it to Washington.
But there is no person I could point to and say you, you're the one who's going to break into Trump supporters. Obviously, Ted Cruz wants to, but after that debate last night, I just don't see it happening.
BALDWIN: Let's pause and take a look. You have ten voices here on stage. A graphic showing who did most of the talking, you can see by far.
Let me put on my shocked face. You have Trump at the top, Bush, Kasich, Rubio.
CUOMO: But in fairness, they were saying his name which was triggering the 30-second rebuttal time a lot also.
BALDWIN: Yes.
CUOMO: You know what I mean? Every time you say Brooke, Brooke gets to talk. So, it wasn't like he was talking over people all night?
BALDWIN: Who was trying to sort of talk over him and who I notice really was the only one, Ron Brownstein, was Rand Paul. That was instantly, right?
BROWNSTEIN: Right.
BALDIWN: That was once we had the hand raise moment, talking about a potential third party candidacy, Rand Paul, I mean, he seems sort of poised and ready to jump in, and that was the first of several attacks on Donald Trump. Maybe it worked because we're talking about it this morning.
Do you think it all backfired on the senator, Ron?
[05:10:02] BROWNSTEIN: No, I think Rand Paul -- look, I mean, Rand Paul is in a difficult position. Even just this ten, much less the seven in the afternoon is a large field. And Rand Paul, after starting with a lot of expectations has kind of faded back into the pack. I think he was trying to be aggressive and reestablish his relevance and get notice.
I thought it was a mixed success. I would agree with Peter, by the way, that Jeb Bush got better as it went. But I think it was telling that in many ways, he was overshadowed by John Kasich who seemed both more energetic and emphatic in really appealing to the same lane of voters that Jeb Bush needs to move forward in this race. I think it sort of came out feeling from the debate that with both Rubio and Kasich presenting I think a revitalized threat to Bush in the center of the party while you have this other competition going on in the more populist blue collar alienated segment of the party around Donald Trump.
CUOMO: I know the governor was a homer last night, Kasich, but I thought it was a great contrast in styles between him and Donald in terms of how to deal with the questions. That was a little bit loaded of snark.
You know, Trump went back at the questioner. Kasich, Peter Hamby, when he was asked that Republicans like small government. So, your whole St. Peter thing.
What did you think about the answer on Medicaid about how he took on what would notably be a non-GOP stance about Medicaid in general? What did you think about how he did that?
HAMBY: Yes, I mean, look, it has been reported widely in front of the Koch brothers conference a couple of years, he gave a similar answer and was booed by an audience of conservative donors. I thought that Kasich was sort of admirably pragmatic about problem solving. I think he masks issues that may be provocative in the Republican primary with the kind of, you know, unpredictable authenticity.
He -- I thought he was actually wonderful last night. For those of us who covered Kasich for a long time, I didn't cover him in Congress, but I covered him for five years, you know, when he ran for governor of Ohio in 2010. He is always a little irascible, a little cranky. He came off sunnier last night.
And even in moments, for example, when he was talking about same-sex marriage, he seemed to win the crowd over. Again, it was a hometown crowd. I got to spend time with him back stage after the event last night. He had a spring in his step.
I think he just thought that he walked away the clean winner. And I think in a state like New Hampshire where the voters are less beholden to the ideological dogma, I think he's definitely going to be someone to watch. And Ron is right. He is playing in the same lane as Jeb Bush and I think that the Bush folks should be worried about Kasich.
Again, he is a completely unpredictable guy, combustible. We will see if he sort of maintains that discipline throughout the race, Chris.
CUOMO: Those are qualities that work against the field.
BALDWIN: Combustible and crazy.
CUOMO: Except Trump who is like a rocket in the ratings on those qualities.
BALDWIN: I know. Thanks, everyone. Sara and Ron and Peter, thank you all so much.
Coming up, by the way, on NEW DAY this morning, we'll talk to two presidential candidates in our next hour. We will talk to the winner of the happy hour debate, Carly Fiorina. In the 8:00 a.m. hour, we will talk to Marco Rubio.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Big. All right. Well, so many eyes on the debate, there was a development of potentially much greater near term significance.
New York Senator Chuck Schumer announced he will vote against President Obama's nuclear deal with Iran. The decision by the influential Jewish Democrat and Obama ally. The guy who will be the next Democratic leader presents an enormous hurdle for the deal's passage in Congress.
CNN's Sunlen Serfaty live in Washington with the latest.
Good morning, Sunlen.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, John. Yes. This is a big blow to President Obama. Senator Schumer has been eyed as a key vote on this. But Schumer coming out in the statement, quote, "I will vote to disapprove the agreement not because I believe war is a viable or desirable option nor to challenge the path of diplomacy. It is because I believe Iran will not change."
Now, this on Capitol Hill could pave the way for other Democrats who are also undecided to come out against the deal as well. And quickly after we saw Representative Engle of New York, he had a one- on-one with President Obama last week, also come out against it. The White House needs to hold on to a majority of Democrats in Congress to sustain a potential veto.
A White House official really downplaying this, suggesting that the Schumer's announcement came only after enough Democratic support, like in recent days from Senator Shaheen and Senator Gillibrand, who assured they said to basically keep a firewall in place to uphold the deal.
The president is trying to keep up the pressure on lawmakers as they head home for August recess. But his sales job drew some heat from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blasting the president for what he calls his crass tone.
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SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: The president strikes me as so far, as treating this like a political campaign: demonize your opponents, gin up the base, and get the Democrats all angry.
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[05:15:1] SERFATY: And the Senate will be on recess until September. Their first order of business when they come back is debating this deal.
The president, he leaves for his two-week vacation on Martha's Vineyard today where White House officials say, Chris, he will continue to drum up support for the deal -- Chris.
CUOMO: Sunlen, interesting timing with Schumer coming out so early against the deal before debate is even started. What that is about we'll probably find out in the near future as well.
All right. Here's the question for you, how much debris is there to be found? Crews taking to air, land and sea today looking for more signs of MH370 in the South Indian Ocean. This as the families of those killed on that doomed flight demand answers from Malaysian officials.
CNN's Will Ripley is live in Beijing where most of the passengers are from.
Will, what are they saying about these recent developments?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're seeing more protests here in Beijing today from the families of MH370 passengers. They say they simply don't believe Malaysian authorities when they say there is conclusive proof that the plane crashed and that pieces of debris are washing up on Reunion Island. We saw people sobbing and crawling on the ground demanding to meet with Malaysian authorities before they were being shooed away.
Their uncertainty continues. The pain and anguish continues 17 months into this investigation, as Malaysian authorities tell CNN that more parts believed to be from the missing plane are washing up. That, by the way, has not been confirmed by the other investigative agencies.
But we know that there is an intense search right now focusing in and around Reunion Island. There are crews scouring the beach. There are ships out at sea and there are planes flying overhead trying to find more evidence, trying to find other pieces that potentially could be from mh-370 and hopefully bring closure to the families of those 239 people on board who still do not have answers as the investigation enters its 17th month -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: Devastating for them.
Will Ripley, thank you so much.
Also, breaking overnight, a deadly suicide attack in the capital of Afghanistan. Eight people dead, about 400 wounded. Authorities say a bomb hidden in a truck exploded near the defense ministry compound in Kabul. All of the victims were civilians.
Earlier this week, the United Nations said the surge in attack is taking a toll on civilians.
BERMAN: U.S. officials believe Russia is behind a hack of an unclassified email server used by the Pentagon's office of Joint Chiefs. Defense officials say the breach exposed a new vulnerability in government systems that hasn't been seen before. Four thousand Pentagon workers have been without e-mail for ten days while the server is scrubbed and rebuilt.
CUOMO: All right. So the first presidential debate is in the books. You got to score it. Who came out on top? Who was the biggest flop? Who was going after who the most and all the different ways?
We can quantify the crazy. We have the score cards for you when NEW DAY continues.
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[05:22:02] BALDWIN: We have more now on last night's first fascinating Republican debate, which candidates were the winners, who were the losers, let's bring in John Avlon, CNN political analyst the editor and chief of "The Daily Beast." And in Cleveland for us this morning, Chris Moody, CNN senior digital politics correspondent.
So, good morning, gentlemen.
John Avlon, to you and then Chris, to you. First off the top. Rapid fire.
I want you throw out who you thought won and who lost.
JOHN AVLON, THE DAILY BEAST: You know, I think if you judge by exceeding expectations, I think Marco Rubio had a strong night.
And John Kasich had a strong night, hometown crowd, governor of Ohio. But he really disarmed the crowd, took some tough questions and he showed a lot of heart and optimism, which are the key qualities he need.
CUOMO: Give me a moment. For people who didn't stay up last night to watch. What's the moment that stood out for you?
AVLON: You know, for me, I think it was when Kasich got a question about marriage. About gay marriage.
BALDWIN: We have it. Let's roll it.
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KASICH: I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay, because somebody doesn't think the way I do doesn't mean that I can't care about them or can't love them. So, if one of my daughters happened to be that, of course I would love them and I would accept them because you know what? That's what we're taught when we have strong faith.
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AVLON: That kind of applause in the room --
BALDWIN: It was huge.
AVLON: -- is huge. When you compare it with four years ago --
CUOMO: It was a homer, though.
AVLON: It was a home run, but four years ago --
CUOMO: No, a homer. It was home crowd.
AVLON: It was hometown crowd, yes, that's fair. This was not a question that played to, you know, hometown crowd Buckeye State beliefs here. Four years ago, candidates got booed when this question about marriage came up. Here, he turned it up attending a wedding of a friend who is gay. That is a sea change -- that indicates only a national sea change, but progress in the Republican Party --
BALDWIN: Is that emblematic of progress in the party, or is that just a Kasich progress?
AVLON: It is a small measure of progress in the party in terms of atmosphere in the room.
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CUOMO: Reince Priebus was on the show yesterday. He was talking about turning down these two planks that were offered for the party platform that went to balancing out what you teach about homosexuality and another kind of targeting of homosexuality. He said it was procedure. They didn't make it through.
But they put out those did not make it those two planks that make it out there.
AVLON: Yes.
CUOMO: Moody, what two moments stood out to you? I agree with John about Kasich. He took a question that was typical GOP red meat. Your whole St. Peter empathy thing and, you know, we want small government. I thought he turned it on his head very well.
What stood out to you last night there as a moment?
CHRIS MOODY, CNN SENIOR DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: Two things stood out to me. One was Carly Fiorina's performance in the way she introduced herself to a lot of people who may have never heard of her before. She came out articulate, very forceful, especially in her attacks on Hillary Clinton. I think she's going to be someone people will look to now they know who she is.
She is certainly the name that I heard on the lips of many conservative activists watching the debate here in Cleveland.
[05:25:04] I thought it was also very interesting at the very beginning of the debate, that the tone was set immediately.
This thing started off with a bang with the question about Donald Trump. Whether he would support the GOP nominee. This was no sleeper. It was no sleeper from the very beginning.
CUOMO: Let's play it, Chris.
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MODERATOR: Is there anyone on stage and can I see hands who is unwilling tonight to pledge support to the eventual nominee of the Republican Party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person?
Again, we are looking for you to raise your hand now, raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight.
Mr. Trump.
Mr. Trump, to be clear, you are standing on a Republican primary debate stage.
TRUMP: I fully understand.
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CUOMO: Chris, did you think that was a set-up to ding the Donald early on?
BALDWIN: I mean, come on, we know who the question was directed toward, right, Chris?
CUOMO: It was early. You knew there would be negligence negative reaction there. But do you think they were setting them up a little bit there?
MOODY: I don't think they're setting him up. They are putting him on the record in front of all the candidates to get him to say will he support the candidate who is the GOP nominee? And he said, well, not unless it's Donald Trump or maybe.
Look, he said it himself. This gives him leverage. This forces the RNC, Republican National Convention to play nice with Trump. They cannot completely write him off because they know he can really mess them up in 2016 if he is not the nominee.
This makes -- continues his relevancy in the campaign. He is playing it to his advantage. He knows what he has. He knows he's got this 10 percent to 15 percent baked into the cake if he runs as an independent. That as Bret Baier mentioned takes it away from the Republicans as their opportunity to win. That gives to presumably Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee.
BALDWIN: OK, quickly, one moment, I want to -- let me just tee up. Chris Christie was asked about a question on terror. It then led to this back and forth between Christie and Rand Paul, and the hug moment. Roll it.
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CHRISTIE: Listen, Senator, when you are sitting in the sub committee just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that. When you're responsible for protecting the lives of the American people, then what you need is to make sure -- is to make sure that you use the system the way it is supposed to work.
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PAUL: Here is the problem, Governor -- you misunderstand the Bill of Rights. Every time you did a case, you got a warrant from a judge. I'm talking about searches without warrants indiscriminately of all Americans' records, and that's what I fought to end.
I don't trust President Obama with our records. I know you gave him a big hug. If you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead.
MODERATOR: Go ahead, Governor.
CHRISTIE: You know, Senator Paul -- Senator Paul, you know, the hugs I remember are the hugs I gave to the families who lost their people on September 11th. Those are the hugs I remember.
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AVLON: That's a strong substantive moment. That was a lot of heated back and forth. Some great sound bytes. But that was a philosophical debate on the presidential stage is what it should be, that it very often isn't. So, credit to both Christie and Paul for slugging it out on something --
CUOMO: I tell you, Christie needs help back home right now in New Jersey. After Sandy, when that hug happened, there are a lot of families down there who needed the help of the federal government. They knew what it was about for Governor Christie. And that's how they remember that hug. It will be interesting to see what happens when he comes home.
BALDWIN: Right, right.
John Avlon and Chris Moody, thank you so much.
A programming note: CNN will host the next Republican debate, September 16th at the Reagan Presidential Library in California. And CNN will be hosting the very first Democratic debate on October 13th in Nevada.
BERMAN: All right. Plenty of claims, plenty of accusations, some of them credible, some incredible during the debate last night. So, how do we know who is fibbing? How do we know who is not fibbing? Or we call that telling the truth. The CNN fact checkers -- me -- break it all down for you, me, when the special edition of NEW DAY continues.
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