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Peaceful Night Of Protest In Charlotte; Victim's Family Allowed To See Police Videos; Yahoo: Data From 500M User Accounts Stolen; Clinton Stares Down Galifianakis On "Between Two Ferns"; Jacoby Brissett Leads Patriots Over Texans; New Data Shows Incomes Rising Faster Than Home Prices. Aired 5:30-6a ET

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: For the most part, the demonstrations broke up over the last couple of hours, well past the midnight curfew that was declared overnight by Charlotte's mayor.

[05:30:02] But police decided not to enforce the curfew because officials said the demonstrations remained peaceful.

Still, protesters are calling for the release of videos that show Officer Brentley Vinson shooting Keith Scott. This morning, the police chief is still refusing to make that footage public but he did allow Scott's family to watch it and what they say the saw is quite different than the events described by police.

Joining us now with the latest from Charlotte, CNN's Nick Valencia. Nick, give us a sense of the night and this early morning.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John. The last two nights were much more chaotic than what we witnessed last night. The few hundred protesters that took to the streets marched peacefully for a third straight night, protesting against the fatal shooting of Keith Scott, a black man shot and killed by the police officer -- by a police officer here in Charlotte.

The scenes we witnessed -- we saw some protesters shaking hands with National Guardsmen. When we arrived on the scene early this morning the National Guard was just about to pull out, but before they did they were mingling with demonstrators. It was a much different feeling than what we saw 24 hours ago -- those sights of vandalism, the scenes of riots that had happened the night before.

The curfew that was in effect was not implemented by police because those that marched on the streets were so peaceful and the protest went, by and large, pretty well last night -- John.

BERMAN: And, of course, one of the sticking points now is this video or videos that show the death of Keith Scott, shot by police. The family has now seen it but the police chief makes clear he has no immediate plans, or maybe no plans at all, to make it public.

VALENCIA: There is no expectation. There's no timetable given on if or when we will see these police videos. We do know that a video or two videos, at least, exist of this police shooting. Yesterday, as you mentioned, the Scott family saw it for the first time, releasing a statement through their attorney saying it was ambiguous, at best. They saw no aggressive acts toward police officers. In fact, saying that Keith Scott was walking backwards when he was fatally shot by police.

It's turned into somewhat of a 'he said, she said' between the Scott family and the police chief here. The police chief saying he's adamant that there was a gun -- that a gun was recovered from Scott's body -- and that he was fatally shot because he refused to comply with police. But I think we should anticipate, perhaps, another round of demonstrations tonight until that video is made public -- John.

BERMAN: All right, Nick Valencia for us in Charlotte. Thanks a lot, Nick.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: In Tulsa now -- a peaceful night there in Tulsa, Oklahoma, as well, where another police officer who shot and killed a black man has now been charged with felony manslaughter in the first degree. Officer Betty Shelby was just released a few hours ago on $50,000 bond. She faces four years to life in prison if convicted. One week ago Shelby fatally shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher after his SUV broke down in the middle of the road.

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The entire event visible in police chopper and squad car dash cam video. You can see Crutcher's got his hands up, raised above his head. He's not fully visible at the very moment of the shooting. That's when Shelby's attorney says he was reaching into the car causing Shelby to fear for her life. But Tulsa's district attorney says Shelby had checked the SUV and already knew there was no threat on the driver's side.

Lawyers for Crutcher's family say they are happy charges have been brought but they will seek a vigorous prosecution.

BERMAN: All right, joining us this morning to discuss what's going on in this country on the streets, retired LAPD sergeant Cheryl Dorsey. Cheryl, thanks so much for being with us.

ROMANS: Nice to see you again.

BERMAN: I want to start with the issue of the video in Charlotte because the family of Keith Scott has now seen it and this is the statement they've put out. They said "After watching the videos the family, again, has more questions than answers. It is impossible to discern from the videos what, if anything, Mr. Scott is holding in his hands. When he was shot and killed, Mr. Scott's hands were by his side and he was slowly walking backwards."

Now, the police chief, Kerr Putney, actually says -- he has seen the video too, obviously, and he says he doesn't see evidence in the video. He doesn't see any evidence -- or absolute evidence -- in the video that Scott was pointing a gun, he says. That's what he says there. But he says based on witness accounts and other things there he is confident that he has the story straight. CHERYL DORSEY, RETIRED LAPD POLICE SERGEANT: But we're hearing that there are varying accounts from the witnesses, as well, right? Some witnesses said it was a book, others are saying that it was a gun. And so, again, having a weapon in and of itself in an open carry state is not problematic unless you use it in a threatening manner.

And I understand that if he pointed that at an officer -- you know, we're not required to really have any dialogue with you at that point. Bad things happen if you point a weapon at a police officer. But we're not hearing evidence of that. It doesn't sound like they even are sure that that's what occurred. And so I feel that they're trying to create a situation to justify escalating this to a deadly force incident when deadly force may not have been warranted.

ROMANS: So should they release the video -- all the video -- and let the public decide or in doing that you're bypassing an investigation. You're bypassing the critical judgment of the people who are on the ground every day facing these threats.

[05:35:00] DORSEY: I think they need to release the video because there's too many differing stories. And, you know, the police chief said initially that he would make it available. He said he was going to be transparent, and then in a press conference later he said well, transparency is in the eye of the beholder. I mean, what does that mean? That's insulting if you've lost a loved one. I'm going to be transparent but there won't be full transparency. There's no such thing. Let us see it. Let the family see it in its entirety and then let the chips fall where they may.

BERMAN: It's interesting, he said I never said full transparency, I said transparency, there. I'm not sure the public will buy that difference. Can I ask about last night -- the curfew, right, because the mayor at one point imposed a midnight to 6:00 a.m. curfew but then the police didn't enforce it because they said it was relatively peaceful. I found that to be a fairly interesting chain of events.

DORSEY: I think the police showed great restraint when this thing started and even last night. And to allow the protesters to continue to protest because they were acting appropriately makes sense, right? And so, we want to be fair and that's what police work is all about. It's about having a delicate balance, right? It's about common sense, right? And I say all the time, if sense was common everybody would have it, right, and we wouldn't have these problems.

And so last night -- OK, there's a curfew and technically they could have sent them home, but everybody was behaving and protesting appropriately and so they let it continue.

ROMANS: You've been a -- you've been a police officer in riots.

DORSEY: I've been a police officer in riots, in uniform for 20 years in South Central Los Angeles and so I know what it's like, right?

ROMANS: Terrifying.

DORSEY: It can be, but listen, it's inherent to police work. ROMANS: It's your job.

DORSEY: We deal with bad guys, we deal with people who are combative, who are verbally aggressive, who don't come here, who don't get out of the street, who don't put cigarettes out where we tell them to. I expect bad guys to not want to go to jail if I stop you. And so if I do that I can become personally involved in that encounter. If you run from me I have two choices, get ready to get some exercise and chase you or let you go. I don't get to kill you because you don't comply.

Police officers have a tremendous amount of authority and great deference is given to what we say in an encounter, right? And so the onus is on me, as a trained professional, to escalate and then de- escalate that force as necessary and as required by my training.

BERMAN: Cheryl Dorsey, great to have you with us this morning. Thanks so much.

ROMANS: Nice to see you this morning. Thanks.

DORSEY: Thanks for having me. I appreciate you.

ROMANS: All right, 37 minutes past the hour this Friday morning. This could be the largest data breach of all time. Yahoo says the data -- the information of at least 500 million user accounts was stolen. This happened in late 2014. It was discovered in August after a hacker claimed to be selling data from 200 million Yahoo accounts. Yahoo says this. A state-sponsored actor is behind the hack. Maybe somebody working on behalf of a government -- a foreign government. They wouldn't say what country.

No bank account or credit card information is believed to have been stolen but usernames, credit cards, telephone numbers, and birthdays were compromised. Experts say Yahoo users should do the following. Change your password, both on Yahoo and other sites with the same password because a lot of us, apparently, use all of the same passwords. Make them different.

BERMAN: One, two, three, four.

ROMANS: Create -- no, no, no, no. Create new security questions and answers. Your first pet. Poor Candy is now going to not be in my -- any of my profiles anymore. Turn on two-factor authentication. That's the system that sends you a text or email to verify your login on a new device.

BERMAN: All right, we are just three days away -- can you believe it? We are three days away --

ROMANS: It could be pivotal.

BERMAN: -- from the first presidential debate. What the candidates are doing today to prepare for this moment, and also how the backdrop of the violence in Charlotte and also the police shooting in Tulsa -- how they will play into this, as well. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[05:43:00] ROMANS: Donald Trump says he may visit Charlotte after Monday night's big debate with Hillary Clinton. Yes, there is a debate in three days --

BERMAN: What?

ROMANS: -- and it is big.

BERMAN: I hadn't heard.

ROMANS: It is big. Trump is calling for a national anti-crime agenda, but claiming violent protests are making America "look bad to the world". On Thursday, he ramped up his tough law and order message at a rally in Pennsylvania.

Joining us this morning to talk Trump and Clinton, "CNN POLITICS DIGITAL" reporter Tal Kopan, live in Washington. Good morning. And, you know, it was just a few days ago we were talking about how this bomber in New York and New Jersey -- this suspected bomber -- how that was going to influence the tone of the race and direction of the race.

But now it has completely shifted and we're talking about law and order, we're talking about communities and police distrust, we're talking about racism and opportunity in America, and that will clearly be front and center, I think, on Monday, won't it?

TAL KOPAN, REPORTER, "CNN POLITICS DIGITAL": Yes, absolutely. You know, presidential elections always tap into the sort of feelings of the electorate, right? You know, when the economy is suffering it's all economic.

And when you have major events like we've seen, whether it be terrorism or these really unfortunate incidents with the police shootings and protests that have followed, that is what people are talking about and that is what people are feeling. And if presidential candidates don't respond to that I don't really know what the point is.

So, of course, this is going to be front and center during the debate. It depends on how the moderator handles it. But we've seen it sort of dominate the conversation from the candidates on the trail in recent days and so I expect it to be front and center, for sure.

BERMAN: So both candidates off the trail today. Both candidates doing debate prep including Donald Trump, by the way. You know, for the last several weeks Trump advisors would have you thinking this debate prep thing, we don't need to do it. We're having cheeseburgers at golf clubs instead of rehearsing questions here. They're both off the trail. They're both getting ready for this thing.

In the Clinton campaign they would have you believe that it's very hard for them because we don't know what kind of Donald Trump we're going to get. And they point to pictures like this from past Donald Trump debates. Let's watch. [05:45:00] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Most of the people on the stage I've given to, just so you understand. A lot of money.

First of all, Rand Paul shouldn't even be on this stage.

You get along with nobody. Excuse me one second.

GOV. JEB BUSH (R-FL), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No.

TRUMP: I didn't want to forget --

BUSH: The simple fact is, Donald, you cannot take --

TRUMP: More energy tonight. I like that.

BUSH: No.

TRUMP: He referred to my hands. If they're small, something else must be small. I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee it.

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ROMANS: I'd almost erased that from my memory, that last one.

BERMAN: Yes, here's betting -- here's betting that line doesn't come up at the debate on Monday night. But, Tal, how are both sides working the refs here? I mean, it really does seem like we're full into the expectations game and more than expectations. Both sides talking about what they need from the moderator. The moderator -- he needs to be aggressive to check the facts or not, depending on who you listen to.

KOPAN: Yes, absolutely. I mean, this is gamesmanship. The debate doesn't start and end only on the debate stage. There's an expectations game you set. The Clinton campaign really wants to sort of go out there and say expectations are low for Donald Trump, don't let him off easy. They're trying to make it seem like he needs to be held to a higher bar.

And then, of course, the Trump campaign is saying Clinton should be wiping the floor with them. She's an experienced debater. But, you know, Donald Trump's pretty good, too. I mean, watching those folks. Remember the primaries? Those were some debates to watch. You never really knew what to expect.

So it's not just about what they say on the stage. They're trying to set the ground for themselves to succeed. And, yes, they're trying to influence the moderators and what those moderators might feel comfortable asking. It's all part of the game.

ROMANS: You know, Hillary Clinton also trying to go after that coveted millennial vote -- the kids these days -- and whether they're going to vote for her. She was on with Zach Galifianakis "BETWEEN TWO FERNS". Can we listen to a little bit of this? Do we have a little bit we can listen to?

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ZACH GALIFIANAKIS, HOST, "BETWEEN TWO FERNS WITH ZACH GALIFIANKIS": First, you supported Obama's Trans-Pacific Partnership deal and then you were against it. I think that people deserve to know, are you down with TPP?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not down with TPP.

GALIFIANAKIS: No, you're supposed to say yes, you know me, like the hip-hop group.

CLINTON: Don't tell me what to say.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROMANS: I guess, you know, millennials or Gen Xers is what this is going for here. But as our resident millennial expert and political guru, does this -- does this do well for her?

KOPAN: Well, you know, it's about humanizing her, to a certain extent, and also showing that she can be in on the joke, right? If you've watched "BETWEEN TWO FERNS" before, Zach Galifianakis is sort of out there and ridiculous and then it's up to the guest to sort of deadpan and play the straight sort of sidekick, and so she delivered. She did her role within that sketch.

And we actually had some reporting that this was her idea. So the idea behind it is to show that she can be human, she can be in on the joke, she can be relaxed, and sort of cut through some of the negative noise that might be out there and speak directly to those people watching viral videos. So, in some ways it was probably effective in that regard. I don't know if it like wiped everything off the map in terms of the millennial vote but it was certainly effective.

BERMAN: All right, Tal, great to have you with us. Thanks so much.

KOPAN: Thank you.

ROMANS: All right, somewhere Steve Grogan is smiling as the Patriots third-string rookie quarterback --

BERMAN: You have no idea what that means.

ROMANS: -- comes up with his first NFL start -- John, I can read the prompter and make it appear that I know what I'm talking about. Details in the Bleacher Report, next.

BERMAN: Do you make conference calls? Today, companies are using virtual hubs to get everyone on the same page. Vanessa Yurkevich looks at how Boeing uses technology to spur collaboration and design.

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VANESSA YURKEVICH, DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT, "CNNMONEY" (voice-over): It takes five to 10 years to take an airplane from the drawing toward the runway, and every year on an assembly line is another year manufacturers aren't getting a return on their investment. So companies like Boeing are speeding up that process right from the beginning by cutting the design time.

HAMSEL ADAM, BOEING EMPLOYEE: The complexities are only going higher and higher because the demands of the customers are also getting higher and higher. They want to be able to do a lot more with their airplanes for a lot less.

Let's start with Spain. Go ahead, Ramon, introduce yourself, please.

YURKEVICH: Boeing has 11 different design centers, hundreds of different offices around the world and almost 20,000 suppliers who make everything from engines to seats to software. To get everyone on the same page, Boeing created the Casa Lab in Huntsville, Alabama.

ADAM: We deal with a lot of data. We've been able to put in place the computing infrastructure to be able to deal with that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, I'll take it from here, Andrew.

ADAM: And you will see the handoff of the design between the different sites, which is the power of collaboration.

YURKEVICH: It can cost $400 million just to develop one plane. Researchers are hoping better collaboration can reduce that cost.

ADAM: Designs used to be done in what I would refer to as silos. You don't want that system of marking up a design and saying here's my input, and passing it on to the next person. If there is an error in it and it's not caught, it keeps getting passed on. And you don't discover that you have a problem until you start to build the thing.

ADAM: The power of being together virtually allows us to be a lot more productive, but also be able to come up with solutions much faster.

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BERMAN: Tom Brady out, Jimmy Garoppolo out, who needs them?

ROMANS: Are those CEO's?

BERMAN: We have a third-string quarterback who just won his first game, Jacoby Brissett. The era officially begins. Coy Wire, now, in the Bleacher Report. Hey, Coy.

ROMANS: Translate, please.

[05:55:00] COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: (Laughing) Good morning, Christine and John. Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy Garoppolo -- shoot, throw John Berman in there. Apparently, playing quarterback for the Patriots is a pretty good gig.

Now, I've got a pretty good gig, as well. I'm on Michigan State's campus here in East Lansing, the epicenter of college football this weekend as the eighth-ranked Spartans are taking on Big 10 foe 11th- ranked Wisconsin. These folks here know their football and they love their football.

You know who else knows a thing or two about football? That would be that darn Patriots head coach, Bill Belichick. He plugs in Jacoby Brissett for injured Jimmy Garoppolo, who was plugged in for injured -- a suspended Tom Brady, rather, and Brissett brings it. I've never seen a coach know how to maximize players' ability and his roster better than Bill Belichick. Unbelievable.

You have a third-string quarterback stepping up. Special team steps up. Defense steps up to Texan's quarterback, Brock Osweiler, under duress all night. Pats pitch a shutout. They crush Houston 27 to zip. Look at that grin on John Berman's face.

Big college football game in Atlanta last night. Fifth-ranked Clemson winning at Georgia Tech for the first time in 13 years. Deshaun Watson throwing for two touchdowns, showing why he's a favorite for the Heisman this year. Now, Clemson moves to four and zero but they have a huge matchup with third-ranked Louisville next week, who have their own Heisman hopeful quarterback in Lamar Jackson. That will be a good one.

Now, some quick news for you regarding Charlotte, guys. The Panthers announced that their game on Sunday against the Vikings will go on as planned. The Panthers were in talks with the NFL regarding the city's unrest but, for now, that game will go on against the Vikings in Charlotte at 1:00 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.

ROMANS: All right.

BERMAN: Nice to see you. Sports can bring people together and that's what that city needs right now. Thanks, Coy.

ROMANS: All right, let's get an EARLY START on your money this Friday morning -- Friday edition. Stocks riding a three-day winning streak thanks to the Federal Reserve. Held interest rates low and steady. The Nasdaq even hit a record closing high yesterday.

Amazon shares -- if you are a shareholder in Amazon, record high for those shares. Dow futures are dipping a bit right now. Stock markets in Europe and Asia are mostly lower. Oil is down, as well. You can probably expect a Federal Reserve rate hike later this year.

Shares of Facebook dropping two percent in premarket trading. A "Wall Street Journal" report overnight claimed Facebook vastly overestimated average viewing time for video ads on its platform for two years. That's according to anonymous sources. Again, that's a "Wall Street Journal" report. The social network tells "CNNMONEY" it has fixed the problem and it is only one of several metrics its partners use to assess video campaigns. So watch Facebook -- FB -- shares today.

There's some good news this morning for house hunters. People being priced out of the housing market might finally be getting some relief and here is why. For the first time since 2011 incomes are rising faster than home prices. They're both rising but median home prices up five percent in August. The average home price now about $188,000. That's according to Zillow.

And then last week we learned the Census Bureau reported median household income up 5.2 percent, $56,516. And that's been a big problem, Berman, because you've seen home prices recovering faster than wages. And there's just, you know -- house hunters get out there and they just can't find something in their price range.

BERMAN: Good news. An important milestone there. All right, we have new protests in Charlotte. Peaceful protests, this time, overnight. Keith Scott's family is speaking out about the video of the shooting. They have now seen that video. "NEW DAY" begins right now.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone, welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Friday, September 23rd, 6:00 in the East.

We do have breaking news for you this morning. People taking to the streets for a third straight night in Charlotte despite a midnight curfew. Demonstrations largely peaceful. People chanting release the tape over that deadly police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Now, on the tape we had what could be a major development and, yet, it turned into more controversy. The Scott family did see the video but they came out of it with a wildly different account from what the police say happen. This comes as a Tulsa police officer is charged in the shooting death of an unarmed black man. Both of these cases reigniting a debate about policing and race.

We begin our coverage with CNN's Nick Valencia, live in Charlotte. The curfew just ending there. What's the situation?

VALENCIA: Good morning, Chris. A welcome sign of relief here on the streets of downtown Charlotte, peace and quiet. Last night's protests were, by and large, peaceful. You mentioned that curfew that technically went into effect a midnight, just a few moment ago lifted. But it was never implemented by police, they say, because last night went so well.

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PROTESTERS: Hands up, don't shoot. Hand up, don't shoot.

VALENCIA: A third night of protests remained largely peaceful Thursday night despite Charlotte officials enacting a midnight curfew. A small group thanking National Guard members for their service.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, sir.

VALENCIA: Others laying down to protest the shooting death of Keith Lamont Scott --

PROTESTERS: Release the video. VALENCIA: -- and demanding that police video of the incident be released to the public. Charlotte's police chief concedes the video doesn't show Scott pointing a gun at officers.

CHIEF KERR PUTNEY, CHARLOTTE-MECKLENBURG POLICE: The video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence.