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Supreme Court Draft Roe V. Wade Opinion Jolts Abortion Clinics; ADP: 247,000 Jobs Added In April, Almost 150,000 Short Of Expectations; Space-X Crew Undocks From International Space Station. Aired 5:30-6a ET

Aired May 05, 2022 - 05:30   ET

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AMBER HEARD, ACTRESS: And then he proceeds to do a cavity search.

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: Depp is suing Heard over a Washington Post op-ed she wrote that she said was, quote, "a public figure representing domestic abuse." Though Depp was not named in that article he claims it cost him lucrative roles.

Depp testified he has never hit a woman, including Heard, and he accused Heard of abuse. Each denies the other's accusations.

LAURA JARRETT, CNN ANCHOR: It's certainly a disturbing case all around -- the more we hear.

Just ahead for you, President Biden's new move to try to tackle inflation.

ROMANS: But first, people in red states and blue states brace for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.

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JARRETT: Abortion clinics in Republican-led states are scrambling to prepare for a post-Roe world where abortion is illegal. At the same time, The Washington Post reports health providers in Democratic-led states are already planning to expand their operations to welcome patients from red states.

Let's bring in Caroline Kitchener, national reporter -- national political reporter for The Washington Post. That is a mouthful. Caroline, thank you so much for joining us this morning.

You have been doing so many great pieces in the Post about this way before that explosive draft even leaked. One of the things that I've been interested in that you've been following is how the clinics in blue states are gearing up to meet the need. Tell us about that. CAROLINE KITCHENER, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST (via Webex by Cisco): Well, I mean, we see this playing out all over the country -- in Connecticut, in California, in Illinois.

I spent some time at an Illinois clinic that is preparing for 14,000 patients from other states if Roe is overturned, which it now looks very likely to be. They are opening call centers. They are expanding their operations in every way that they can think to in order to accommodate this surge, which they expect to come one to two weeks after Roe is overturned.

ROMANS: You've been doing some reporting on how lawmakers don't want to stop at Roe. Some have their eyes set on a nationwide ban.

KITCHENER: Absolutely. I mean, I think up until now, this really played out in the states. That is where we have seen all of this legislation. But when you talk to these anti-abortion lawmakers they truly believe that abortion is murder. And they are not content with it just being banned in Texas or in Oklahoma. They want to see it banned in California and New York as well.

So, we are seeing now, in Washington, anti-abortion activists -- that very top leaders in the movement are starting to meet with senators. They're talking about a potential six-week abortion ban on a national level which, of course, would be very, very difficult to pass. But that conversation is happening in Washington right now.

JARRETT: Yes, almost impossible to pass as long as President Biden is president and as long as the Congress looks the way it does. But seats may change this coming November.

And speaking of November, this has not historically been an issue that has been a galvanizing force on the left the same way it has been on the right. And I -- it's interesting that even after that Texas decision you don't see women just in the streets every day over this. And part of the reason, I wonder, is that people are busy. People are busy with jobs and their lives, and taking care of the children that they already have.

What do you hear from women across the country that you speak to? Are they confused about this ruling? Are they just angry and exhausted? What do you hear?

KITCHENER: Well, we actually just published a Washington Post-ABC News poll that showed that six in 10 people that live in states where abortion restrictions have recently been implemented don't know that they have been implemented.

JARRETT: Yes.

KITCHENER: So the big question now is now that this is everywhere -- all over the national news with this big explosive news that Roe is very likely to fall, is that going to change? Are people going to wake up and realize? Are Democrats going to wake up and realize that this is happening and how much are they going to care about it? I think that is -- that is the big, big question on everybody's mind I think for the next couple of weeks and couple of months leading up to November.

ROMANS: You so accurately captured just, I think, the shock on both sides that this is happening, you know? I mean, people who've been working for 50 years to try to overturn Roe are shocked and energized. And people on the other side can't imagine a post-Roe world. I mean, there's just a lot here.

Caroline Kitchener, of The Washington Post, thank you so much. Nice to see you this morning.

JARRETT: All right. Coming up, the American workers who say they'd rather quit than come back to the office.

ROMANS: And he quit his job and then changed his mind. Tom Brady tells CNN why he decided to come back.

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ROMANS: All right, let's get a check on CNN Business this morning. Looking at markets around the world, Asian shares have closed mixed. Europe has opened higher.

And on Wall Street, stock index futures leaning down a little bit after a very big rally yesterday. Investors really liked what they heard from the Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell. A 900-point relief rally on Wall Street -- the market's best day in two years. It followed word of another half-point, short-term interest rate hike.

Interest rates are rising, folks. Mark my words here they'll keep rising. The central bank is attempting to rein in inflation. Powell says more half-point rate hikes are coming, which was music to many investors who had feared the possibility of even more aggressive interest rate hikes.

Right now, a check on S&P 500 futures -- we showed you that before -- they're leaning down just a little bit after that big rally in the morning -- or yesterday, rather.

President Biden says his administration's efforts to reduce the deficit appear to be working. Speaking in the Roosevelt Room at the White House, he anticipates a $1.5 trillion cut in the federal deficit by the end of the year. He says it's a stark contrast to the reckless policies of his predecessor.

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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't want to hear Republicans talk about deficits and their ultra-MAGA agenda. I want to hear about fairness. I want to hear about decency. I want to hear about help on ordinary people. The bottom line is that, for decades, the trickle-down economics has failed.

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ROMANS: It comes as a new CNN poll finds Americans are very pessimistic about the economy. Look at that. Only 23% rate conditions as even somewhat good -- only 23% in, by the way, a booming economy. An economy booming so much the Fed has to step in to cool it off. That's down from 37% in December and 54% last April.

The Federal Reserve says the United States is moving closer to maximum employment, meaning everyone who wants a job has one, and the lowest unemployment rate without spinning off unwelcome inflation -- maximum employment. The government's official jobs numbers come Friday, but a sneak preview from ADP shows America's private employers added 247,000 jobs in April. Economists had expected a little bit more than that.

Let's bring in Nela Richardson, chief economist at ADP here. What's going on with workers here? What are they waiting for? All I keep hearing from employers is there is a war for talent. There are so many unfilled -- a record number of unfilled positions and still, all this job-hopping. What do workers want?

NELA RICHARDSON, CHIEF ECONOMIST, ADP (via Skype): Good morning, Christine. That's a great question. One thing we know is that they want more flexibility.

So let's go back a little bit about what the jobs are that are really in high demand. They tend to be in leisure and hospitality, which is historically a lower-paying industry. And as you just noted, inflation is a front-burner concern -- it's 80%. So even though we've seen a big jump in wages in this industry, it's not necessarily keeping up with inflation.

It's also an industry where you have to go into the workplace. You actually have to be customer-facing for a lot of these jobs. And what our survey showed at ADP is that people want flexibility. They want flexibility on their hours and to some extent, on their location. So this is one industry that's not particularly, at this moment, giving workers exactly what they want post-pandemic.

ROMANS: I mean, you've written that 64% of the workforce would consider looking for a new job if asked to return to the office full- time. I wonder if that's what's driving some of the quits we saw -- people quitting their jobs in March, right, because they were asked to return to in-person work and they said no, I'm going to try something else.

RICHARDSON: You know, workers have this option of plentiful jobs -- 11 1/2 million jobs openings in March. That's a record high and it's been at that near-record high for a while. So there are more options.

And you really can have this kind of a la carte career where you can pick and choose. Do I enjoy this job, is it flexible, can I set the hours -- to an extent that we haven't seen in a really long time, if ever, Christine. So that gives some optionality.

Now, what we need, though, from a macro standpoint is for more people to come back into the labor market. And they're not roaring back in; they're trickling back in -- and probably not fast enough to meet the demand that companies have right now.

ROMANS: Well, I've heard so many economists talk about the incentives for returning to work. They might have to be higher, which might mean more pay. It might be hiring bonuses, better working conditions. Some companies are trying to start help paying off student loan debt of their -- of their employees.

But I just -- the economy is so strong and we have this poll that shows that 66% of Americans disapprove of the way Biden is handling the economy.

What is the disconnect here? You have a Fed that has to step in and cool off a roaring American economy, right? But people just feel so bad about it. What's the disconnect here, inflation? All inflation?

RICHARDSON: Inflation --

ROMANS: Yes.

RICHARDSON: Inflation distorts even good news. A pay raise isn't a pay raise if you go and you see that you have to buy more milk and it's higher, and the gas prices are higher, and everything is higher. And you can't find childcare because there's no one -- the childcare industry is still lower than it was in 2019.

So, inflation is distorting what is good fundamentals. That's why it's so important to get inflation down.

Even in our survey, though, money isn't everything. It's great -- and I think that's why you're seeing companies offer this buffet of different ways to entice. On the one hand, they can't really just keep increasing wages up and up. A lot of companies have a thin margin. They can't do that.

But enticing workers with other things that they care about -- like we show in our survey that the average pay cut people are willing to take is 11% to have more flexibility. That's a big deal when inflation is around 8%. So, this is a --

ROMANS: Yes.

RICHARDSON: -- real big way to get people back into the office, or at least have some dominance competitively with other companies.

ROMANS: Nela Richardson, you always put so much great context and contour around this so-called Great Resignation. There's so much going on here it's just fascinating. Come back again soon and talk to us about it again, OK?

RICHARDSON: I'd love to. Thank you so much.

ROMANS: Thanks, Nela.

All right. Just ahead, Ukrainian troops make a bloody final stand in the face of a bloody Russian onslaught at a steel plant.

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JARRETT: And plenty of planes but not enough pilots. Wait until you hear how the airlines want to fix that.

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ROMANS: All right, the Suns used a fourth-quarter surge to take command in their series with the Mavericks.

Coy Wire has more in this morning's Bleacher Report. Good morning, Coy.

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COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christine.

The Suns just have the Mavs number. Heading into last night's game, Phoenix had beaten them 10 straight times dating all the way back to November of 2019. Down six heading into the fourth, it looked like Dallas might finally break that losing streak. Luka Doncic doing a little dance, dropping 35 points. Still not enough, like his 45-point performance in game one.

Chris Paul -- turns 37 tomorrow, turning this into a runaway win. Look at him telling the bench call time out, Dallas. It's getting too hot for you. The 12-time All-Star scoring 14 of his 28 points in the fourth, including six shots in a row at one point.

The Suns win 129-109 taking the 2-0 series lead. Game three tomorrow night.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Philly and James Harden playing game two shorthanded again without MVP finalist Joel Embiid, due to an orbital fracture and concussion. Bam Adebayo and Jimmy Butler delivering a one-two punch in Miami's win.

History says this series is over, Christine. The Heat have been up 2-0 in 18 previous series and won the matchup every time.

Bam scores 23; Jimmy, 22. Heat legends Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union approve. Philly is 0-19 all-time after dropping games one and two.

Let's go to hockey with two-time defending Stanley Cup champs Tampa Bay Lightning. Look at those fans in Toronto. Coming off the worst game won -- lost by a reigning champ ever Monday in Toronto. They got the revenge on the Maple Leafs last night, though.

Victor Hedman coming up huge with a goal and three assists in the Bolts' 5-3 win. It's the 16th time -- straight time, rather, that they've won a playoff game after suffering a loss. The series tied at one apiece heading to Tampa for game three tomorrow.

NHL Playoff hockey making its Turner Sports debut tonight. Two games on both TNT and TBS beginning with the Rangers-Penguins at 7:00 eastern. It took Pittsburgh three overtimes to win game one. Diamondbacks pitcher Madison Bumgarner had a short but eventful start

in Miami -- ejected after just one inning. The umpire turning a foreign substance hands check into what looked more like a hand massage with lots of eye contact and heated words not safe for T.V. A furious Bumgarner needs to be held back by teammates and coaches. This was only his second ejection in 14 seasons.

Arizona ended up winning the game 8-7.

And the NFL announcing that Tom Brady and the Bucs will play the first-ever game in Germany. Tampa taking on the Seahawks in Munich this season.

I talked with Tom and another GOAT, 7-time Formula One champ Lewis Hamilton at Miami Beach Golf Club yesterday as they teamed up with IWC to raise money for local community programs. And Brady tells us what keeps him coming back as he enters now his 23rd NFL season.

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TOM BRADY, QUARTERBACK, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS: When people make the commitment to you, in the end, you want to fulfill that -- you know, what they're coming to see. People want to come and see me do great. They want to see Lewis do great. They follow their sports heroes and their favorite sports teams because they want to see you -- you know, the thrill of victory.

And I feel like I want to -- when I make that commitment to play, it's that kind of all-encompassing commitment. And I want to go out there and I want -- I want to perform at my best. And that requires, really, at this point in my life, a year-round effort to do that.

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WIRE: Yes. So, it's the fans, Christine. He always talks about the love of the game and the passion he has for that, Laura. But he says I love playing in front of the fans and he's enjoying it. At 45, it's a lot different than 35. He turns 45 very soon.

But incredible to see him out there ahead of the first-ever F1 race in Miami, which should also be awesome this weekend.

ROMANS: All right, Coy Wire. Great assignment. Coy gets great assignments.

JARRETT: Always.

ROMANS: Thanks, Coy.

JARRETT: Thanks, Coy.

WIRE: I'm lucky.

JARRETT: All right, the SpaceX Endurance Dragon crew is homeward bound right now, undocking from the International Space Station just a few hours ago. There was no sign of international conflict when the astronauts handed over the keys to a Russian cosmonaut.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the Crew Dragon Endurance has undocked from the International Space Station. Four astronauts aboard the orbital outpost, completing their six-month mission. Undocking did occur at 12:20 a.m. central time, 1:20 a.m. eastern time, while the International Space Station was flying southeast over Australia.

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JARRETT: The splashdown should be early tomorrow morning, and I'm sure CNN will be all over it with our amazing space team.

ROMANS: Absolutely.

All right, thanks for joining us, everybody. I'm Christine Romans.

JARRETT: I'm Laura Jarrett. "NEW DAY" starts right now.

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