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CNN sees what Russians left after being Run Out of City; Ukraine takes back Territory in Swift Counteroffensive; King Charles, Queen Consort visit Belfast, Northern Island; Thousands pay Respects to the Queen in Edinburgh; Service of Prayer, reflection to be Held at St. Anne's Cathedral in Belfast; King and Queen Consort Arrive at Belfast Cathedral. Aired 9-10a ET
Aired September 13, 2022 - 09:00:00 ET
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JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN HOST, FIRST MOVE: Welcome I'm Julia Chatterley in New York. And as you've been hearing over the past few hours, King Charles III
and his wife, Camilla, the Queen Consort are in Northern Ireland as part of their tour of nations. They've been meeting with party leaders from
Stormont, the Northern Ireland Assembly.
I imagine will have been delicate discussions given the complicated political nature, of course in Northern Ireland. And will get to that later
on in the show. What you are looking at now is live pictures of the Queen Consort Camilla there shaking hands with the first Minister Designate
Michelle O'Neill there, important moment there.
And we will continue to see and we hope further interactions between King Charles III, and her specifically expected to offer condolences but this is
a roomful of political leaders, of religious leaders, official figureheads in Northern Ireland and you can see there the offering of condolences
smiles among them.
And once again in the shop there, Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill as you can see there in the center of your screen now before leaving the Royal
Residents there at Hillsborough Castle for the journey to Belfast. That's where King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla will attend a service of
prayer and reflection it's in Anne's Cathedral.
Meanwhile, the Queen's coffin remains at rest in St. Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh, with thousands of people have been waiting to pay their
respects. The Scottish Government says over 26,000 people turned out to see her. And then the coming hours it will begin the journey to London then and
Buckingham Palace and then on to Westminster Hall, where the Queen will lie in state for four days.
So you're seeing live pictures there at St. Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh, I believe the queues have now closed for those people that are hoping to
attend there. Authorities there are saying they will do everything they can that everyone in those queues will be able to pass by the Queen's coffin
and pay their respects.
But for now, you can just see those pictures there. And of course, the casket containing Queen Elizabeth II and we will continue to bring you
those pictures throughout the show today. For now, we're following another key story today and that is in Ukraine and stunning advances on the
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: From the beginning of September until today, our soldiers have already liberated more than 6000 square
kilometers of the territory of Ukraine in the East and South. The movement of our troops continues.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHATTERLEY: And the advances happened quickly take a look at this map starting on September 3rd, the yellow areas show just how fast Ukrainian
troops have recaptured territory and this video from Monday from a town in the Donetsk region show you just what they're finding.
On Monday night U.S. Secretary of State's Antony Blinken called the recent gains by Ukrainians encouraging. Ukrainian troops in liberated cities are
being met with flowers and tears of joy. However, Russian forces have left behind a trail of destruction too. Sam Kiley has an exclusive look at what
remains in the City of Izium.
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): It's been a stunning advance Ukraine's route of Russian invaders has recaptured 6000
square kilometers. Ukraine's President says this land was held by Russia just a few days ago. Now it's providing a rich harvest to Ukraine's army of
abandoned Russian equipment. The Russian Z symbol painted over the guns ready to kill Russians the recapture of Izium, a strategic prize
accelerated by precision strikes for new artillery donated by Western allies.
KILEY (on camera): This was clearly hit with a very large piece of artillery or an air strike. You can see how important it was strategically
clearly a former school there's a kind of children's painting on the wall. But it's also got these large halls which would have been dug to store
tanks or armored personnel carriers even artillery pieces there's 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
KILEY (voice over): We were shown into a command center in the bunkers of an old factory.
KILEY (on camera): So down here we've seen the medical facility call it something like that inside this bunker. There's a barracks.
KILEY (voice over): The top brass here slept in beds made of old doors.
KILEY (on camera): And then of course leading from the command center here. As I walk along here, it's absolutely extraordinary. There are the
different labels for the different roles of the red senior Russian officers on these school desks that have been arranged in this bunker in an old what
looks like a brick factory.
Now, they were safe down here, underground, but they didn't feel safe enough to stay in Izium. And what's critical, ultimately for the Ukrainian
Armed Forces is making sure that the senior officers of the Russian army stay on the run. If they do that the Russian Armed Forces will collapse
completely in Ukraine and potentially threaten the longevity of one Vladimir Putin.
KILEY (voice over): This couple celebrated liberation. They told me that some of their neighbors were less delighted and had blamed Ukrainian forces
for shelling their homes. But he insisted the incoming shells never hit the checkpoints or Russian artillery base right outside his house, and so
blamed the Russians for false flag attacks on civilians
He said the Russians behaved like pigs. They stole everything from all the empty houses before they ran away. The Russian guns were busy here. They
would now ammunition boxes now stockpiled for winter fuel. And to the Ukrainian victors here, the spoils have been rich. The capture of Izium and
the route of Russia here have broken a key link in Putin's logistics chain in the battle for the East.
KILEY (on camera): We have the remarkable scene of a tank coming to collect an abandoned Russian howitzer.
KILEY (voice over): I asked him if it had been a hard fight. Not really, he said. The latest Ukrainian successes may not be the beginning of the end of
this war. But not even the Kremlin can deny that this chapter has been a very sorry tale for Russia.
CHATTERLEY: So Russia is describing the loss of territory to Ukrainian forces as a "Regrouping". The Kremlin says President Putin is aware of the
situation. And insists Russia will achieve all of its goals despite the setback in Kharkiv.
Clare Sebastian has been following all this for us. So Clare, what the West is calling a retreat, Russia, or at least the Russian authorities are
calling a "Regrouping". It hasn't stopped sporadic criticism. I think of President Putin's leadership in the region, wrap it up for us. What are we
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Julia, I think we have to be careful; this is not something that is sort of sweeping across Russia in
large scale. But since you know, throughout this conflict, we have seen an ever tighter control of information from Russia really cracking down on any
signs of dissent, since those early protests at the beginning of the war, this is still significant.
A couple of things that we're seeing a growing number of municipal deputies, those are basically local councilors quite sort of low down local
politicians. A growing number of signed a petition calling for President Putin to resign saying his presence is bad for Russia.
We're seeing comments this week from Ramzan Kadyrov, the Head of the Chechen Republic, who was actually sent a number of his own troops to help
Russia in this conflict. He has said that he's questioned the wars that he wants to talk to Russian Defense Ministry officials about this. We're
seeing comments from military bloggers, Russian military bloggers talking about the lack of equipment and training and sort of guidance for the
Russian forces in the field, some even calling it a war, which is you know, it is sort of punishable by law in Russia under the new laws that have come
in since the start of the conflict.
Again, we're not seeing the wholesale collapse of the Russian propaganda machine. I think it's telling that in local and regional elections that
took place over the weekend, the United Russia party did have a decisive victory. That's the pro that's Putin own party. So it's worth keeping that
But the control of information, the control of Russian public opinion is a key pillar of this conflict. Russia needs to keep its public on the side,
especially since this war is going on much longer than expected. So certainly worth keeping this in mind as we see the Ukrainian advances.
CHATTERLEY: Clare Sebastian thank you so much for that, and we certainly will keep it in mind. Now joining us Former Ukrainian Defense Minister,
Andriy Zagorodnyuk Andriy, great to have you on the show, once again what do you make of what you're seeing and hearing? How significant is this
ANDRIY ZAGORODNYUK, FORMER UKRAINIAN DEFENSE MINISTER: Of course, the breakthrough has a historical importance because this is the first time a
Russian arm is not just retreating; it's actually runs away in an uncontrolled way.
So it's, it's very important and we see this as a major sign that their morale and generally their capabilities are not able to sustain that for.
So I'm not saying we won completely. It's too early to say that, but certainly, this has a major effect.
CHATTERLEY: You've described what you think you're seeing as a fear of failure among Russian leadership in that no one's willing to make strategic
decisions. So they're pushing up those decision making requirements higher and higher up the line. And it's centralizing control among the Russian
forces and as part of what we're seeing in terms of perhaps the splintering of strategic decisions. Just describe why you're thinking there's what
you're hearing? And describe how it results in perhaps what we're seeing on the ground?
ZAGORODNYUK: So the situation is this in Russian army, it's a very blaming culture. And it's a culture of extremely bureaucratic. And it's been like
this for years, it's actually comes from the Soviet times. But in the times when things go wrong, and something happens not according to the plan,
they're constantly looking who to blame.
And they already have like countless criminal cases against the officers. Because if something doesn't work out, like Donbas offensive or Kyiv
offensive, they need to find somebody who should be guilty that that comes from deep from the Soviet culture, actually.
So in this case, particularly this tradition, or these culture works very much against the operational goals. Because officers right now simply are
not going to make any decisions, they would be afraid to make wrong decisions make mistakes. And the best thing they can do is to push the
responsibility upwards to the superior commanding officers and superiors.
And so eventually, this comes from all directions, all units and ends up was extremely centralization of the decision making so lots of decisions
actually made personally by President as far as we heard from some of the partner's intelligence, but also by top officers, to top commanders, top
generals. And in this case, they cannot be effective. So they can easily overlook serious mistakes and serious problems. And they cannot support
equal attention on all operational zones.
So which means that if they are looking at your sonar, they're looking somewhere in this house, they completely overlook the situation and the
north. And that's one of the reasons why that counter offensive became possible. But also, it's going to be determining how the Russian army will
behave in the future as well.
CHATTERLEY: --do you think this continues? I think you raised a very important point or two very important points, which is, can the Ukrainian
forces continue to take advantage of this? And perhaps what response do the Russians then follow with and we've already seen this to a certain extent
with air rate around the region already. Particularly if the pressure, the blame, if we can call it that falls right at President Putin's store?
ZAGORODNYUK: Yes, so, of course, Ukraine will continue doing that Ukraine will study Russian presence in in Ukraine, and wherever we see the
opportunity to hit will hit. So that would be the one place, the next place will be somewhere that Russians don't expect it could be could be in the
south could be in the north, whatever.
So yes, so they know that and they know that Ukraine looks at different directions at the same time and look for the further opportunities. And the
issues which Russia has this hasn't been an accident. So what the - you know, the coincidence of what happened in Kharkiv, it's the consequence of
the fundamental flaws of the Russian organization or military organization.
So, what they can do, they cannot substantially accelerate their efforts in Russia, they cannot they cannot escalate conventionally they cannot double
the effort, because they actually having troubles, as is widely known of hiring additional personnel, additional manpower and mobilizing additional
equipment and weapons.
So, what they will do, most likely they will be hitting civilian quarters, they will be hitting critical infrastructure, and doing all kinds of things
like, which essentially what they can do when they cannot reply with the normal military means.
CHATTERLEY: What's your sense of weaponry, from particularly provisioned by the Allies and what difference that is making in terms of these, this area
that's been recaptured?
ZAGORODNYUK: The difference is all across the front. So it's not exactly like the reference from some particular type of a weapon. But, but the
critical mass of the equipment coming in weapons coming from the West reached a certain point, which would substantially increase Ukrainian
So you may remember, we've been constantly saying that Ukrainian is more and more. And finally, we started to reach numbers, which made a
substantial difference. So what we've seen in the last few days, this is a direct consequence of the Western support. Without that Western support,
Ukraine wouldn't be able to achieve that much.
ZAGORODNYUK: And that's why it's a massive difference. It's actually the crucial difference.
CHATTERLEY: Which is showing images of soldier giving a big thing thumbs up and securing a Ukrainian flag. How important is this moment, Andriy for
morale for Ukrainian soldiers too?
ZAGORODNYUK: Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian civilian people, we always believed in the army, but things like that, of course, it's makes enormous
it's very difficult to explain how impactful it is. Of course, this is something like first of all; people see that perhaps the war is maybe
coming to an end at some point of time in the foreseeable future.
And also that Russians can run and they can run very fast and they can run in panic and for the army, which is, which has a budget like 11 times less
than Russian and much less people and capabilities. Of course, it's a huge boost. But yes, so we'll see what happens in the future. But right now, we
certainly see that we are capable of winning. And this is like effect, you know now.
CHATTERLEY: Sir we appreciate your perspective. Thank you once again for joining us a Former Ukrainian Defense Minister there Andriy Zagorodnyuk sir
OK, coming up after the break. We're live in Belfast where King Charles III is meeting Northern Ireland's political leaders as part of his tour of
nations and of course commemorating the life and service of Queen Elizabeth II.
CHATTERLEY: Welcome back! King Charles III and his wife Camilla, the Queen Consort currently in Northern Ireland of course, as we've been describing
as part of their tour of nations just moments ago, they attended a reception of political and religious leaders, including Sinn Fein's
Michelle O'Neill. She shook hands as you saw earlier with the Queen consort at Hillsborough Castle ahead of their onward journey to Belfast.
They will then attend the service of prayer and reflection at St. Anne's Cathedral. Earlier, the King met with party leaders from Stormont, the
Northern Ireland assembly and acknowledged the Queen's role in its complicated political landscape.
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CHARLES III, THE KING OF UNITED KINGDOM: My mother felt deeply I know the significance of the role she herself played in bringing together those whom
history had separated and extending a hand to make possible the healing of long held hurts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHATTERLEY: And meanwhile, the Queen's coffin remains at rest at St. Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh where thousands of people have been waiting to pay
CHATTERLEY: The Scottish Government sees over 26,000 People turned out to pay those respects. And in the coming hours it will begin the journey to
London and Buckingham Palace and then on to Westminster Hall where the Queen will lie in state for four days. Nic Robertson has more on the
relationship between the Crown and Northern Ireland.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice over): In Belfast tributes to the Late Queen Elizabeth pile up, flowers laid under a mural of
the much love monarch notes of condolences. Thank her for her service, but this is a pro-British neighborhood. And like many things in Northern
Ireland, how you view the monarchy depends largely on whether you're a pro- British Unionist, most often protestant or a pro-Irish nationalist, mostly Catholic.
For almost half of Queen Elizabeth's 70-year reign, the two sides Loyalist and Republican fought over their competing views. More than 3000 people
were killed when it came to peace almost 25 years ago it was the Queen who would later help heal some of the divisions by reaching out to anti British
pro-Irish former paramilitaries turn politicians.
Now it's Charles' turn. He inherited to politically broken Northern Ireland. Its power sharing government, paralyzed by pro-British
politicians, who refuse to join a government with the pro-Irish Sinn Fein, who for the first time in Northern Ireland's 100 year history, won more
seats than any other party during an election in May.
Charles's own history with Sinn Fein hit a low point in 1979, after the murder of his mentor, his father's uncle Lord Louie Mountbatten by the
group's paramilitary wing, the IRA. But Sinn Fein has long since renounced violence, and after its election win is already pushing for a vote to help
unite Ireland. But despite their differences with the monarchy, its leaders offered words of praise for the Late Queen after her passing.
MICHELLE O'NEILL, SINN FEIN VICE PRESIDENT: --Martin McGuinness and Queen Elizabeth herself had a very significant role in terms of satellite and
very strong message that we appealing to those - islands between the people who live on this island.
ROBERTSON (voice over): A similar message of respect and gratitude from pro-British Unionists.
JEFFREY DONALDSON, DEMOCRATIC UNIONIST PARTY LEADER: Her Majesty led by example in Northern Ireland and reached out the hand of friendship to help
with the reconciliation process. We are duty bound to build on those foundations.
ROBERTSON (voice over): But Brexit is reviving old tensions. Pro-British Unionists fear it's led to increasing isolation from mainland U.K. and
blame the EU to put pressure on the U.K. Government to get a better deal from the EU.
They're refusing to join Northern Ireland's power sharing government, leaving schools, hospitals, road repairs, municipal offices and much else
in limbo. It's yet another testing time in Northern Ireland, though violence is not imminent, and would be highly unlikely to reach the scale
of the past.
CHARLES III: My Lords and Members of the House of Commons.
ROBERTSON (voice over): But as King Charles the new symbol of British rule, steps into his mother's role there can be only hope he helped soothe frayed
relations, as his mother once did.
CHATTERLEY: Nic Robertson is in Belfast for us now. Nic, good to have you with us, a political Queen Elizabeth II did manage to be an extraordinary
diplomat with so many layers of complications between Northern Ireland. It is about sympathy and condolences today, but the politics of this very
close to the surface too.
ROBERTSON: Oh, they are absolutely and I think King Charles already steadfastly negotiating his way through those very nuances. Of course, this
is his 40th visit to Northern Ireland. This is his first time however, visiting as king, the speech that he gave a few minutes ago at Hillsborough
Castle, very important, very telling. And the nuance in it, I think, very telling when he spoke about his mother's work here to sort of bring a
better life and hopes for a better life.
He spoke about this place rather than saying Northern Ireland or Ireland because these words have so much meaning for the different parts of the
divided community here whether you're more sort of pro-Irish or more pro- British, so his words very careful. And we've already seen just in the past few minutes go into St. Anne's cathedral here, where this remembrance
service will begin very shortly.
ROBERTSON: We just saw the Irish Foreign Minister going in we know the Irish President is coming we know the Irish Prime Minister is coming. And
this is these are also sort of very symbolic that important messages, a lot of local leaders, local clergy, local politicians, local community leaders,
but actually inviting here for this service leaders from Ireland as well. So this is a very important part of visiting all parts of the United
Kingdom, but perhaps today, potentially the most sensitive, Julia.
CHATTERLEY: And we do have live pictures I believe, of King Charles III and Queen Consort, Camilla there just wiping her hands after she's written.
Actually, King Charles, I believe wrote first in the condolences book and now in Consort Camilla doing the same, as you can see there.
So once again, King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla signing the condolences - too.
And Nic coming as well because we have been showing some of the visuals, all important visuals and the symbolism of this moment as you were just
illustrating there, we did see the Queen Consort speaking very briefly to Michelle O'Neill, Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill of course, too. We didn't
see on air pictures of the King speaking to her too, but I do believe they also shared some words as well.
ROBERTSON: Yes, Michelle O'Neill a leader of Sinn Fein, a pro-Irish party here anti monarchy. And actually in the last elections, the largest
political party within Northern Ireland's assembly, so a significant political figure and it was expected that King Charles would meet with
leaders of the five different political parties here privately.
So the expectation is that has actually happened already. And of course, King Charles has reached out across that sort of anti-monarchy divide to
form a paramilitary leaders met with them in the past as well, in the same way that his mother had in the same way that the Queen shook hands with
Martin McGuinness, one of the commanders I know he disputed, of the IRA, a paramilitary of which Sinn Fein grew out of.
And I think very significant as well, that today when the speaker of Northern Ireland - gave that speech of condolence to King Charles and the
Queen consort, hears from Sinn Fein, Alex Maskey (ph) from the political party that opposes the monarchy.
But his speech was well reaching across communities talking about the importance of what the queen had done here and helping heal within the
community that she had shaken hands with former paramilitaries that she had used the Irish language spoken in the Irish language.
And he spoke about how important that was and hoping that King Charles will do the same but these moments here, when they arrive shortly when they
leave the Hillsborough castle and arrive here at St. Anne's cathedral will be about remembrance, will be about the Queen who has passed and it is a
will be a very solemn time here.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, and actually I love the reference that King Charles make to the Rose Garden there as well, at Hillsborough Castle, which was one of
the Queen's apparent delights as well as - this is about commemorating life and service of the Queen too. And it's nice to finish there. Nic, great to
chat to you, thank you, Nic Robertson, in Belfast for us there!
Now up next we're live in Scotland has the first public vigil for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II draws to a close.
CHATTERLEY: Welcome back! You are looking at live pictures now of the King and Queen Consort who have departed, Hillsborough Castle. They're now on
the drive to St. Anne's Cathedral where a service of prayer and reflection for Queen Elizabeth II will be held.
I believe this is around a 24 minute drive northeast it's around 13 miles. So it should take them to around at the top of the hour if not before.
You're also seeing pictures there of Union Jacks being waved people obviously following their progress, sending their guards not only I think
to the new King, but of course again, today is about condolences, once again for Queen Elizabeth II.
There you can see people waving there as well as the King and Queen pass just trying to see there if we could see waves after the window I believe I
can see a hand there waving. I'm not sure whether that was the King or the Queen Consort but nice to see them interacting with the crowds there too
once again the King and Queen Consort having departed Hillsborough Castle now on their way to St. Anne's cathedral.
Now meanwhile, in Edinburgh, members of the public are paying their final respects to Queen Elizabeth. The Scottish Government estimates 26,000
people have followed past her coffin in St. Giles' Cathedral, the 24 hour lying at rest period ends in less than one hour.
And Isa Soares has been there now for many hours talking to people coming out. Isa I believe it multi hour wait. But people actually that I saw
coming out with saying that it wasn't like they were rushed when they were given the chance to actually see the Queen's coffin they had time to pay
their respects which is important too?
ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed very important. And this is what I've been hearing throughout the morning Julia. I've been here since about six
o'clock this morning and people really liked the fact they weren't rushed inside the cathedral that they had the time to pause reflect of course of
the Queen's life of service.
One former serviceman said to me that he actually stopped and saluted her. And he told me Julia he wanted to thank his old boss. Those were his words.
And I've seen from the early hours of this morning, children coming in and their uniform before they went off to school talk less with their cereal
bars, obviously trying to keep them fueled as they've rushed - as they made their way inside.
But 26,000 people have paid their respects. There'll be many thousands more Julia that will be somewhat disappointed because they've now stopped giving
out wristbands. You get a wristband first you join the line and then obviously they'll let you in.
You pass security like airport light security and the let you in. So those people don't have a wristband can no longer come inside St. Giles'
Cathedral to pay their respects and no doubt there'll be people be very upset.
I actually met one little girl today. She's about five or six who was crying in front of me because her mother couldn't wait in line because she
had to go to work really, really heartbreaking. But I'm joined now by Jane (ph) who has actually been inside. You've just made your way inside. How
long did you have to wait?
JANE: Two and a half hours?
SOARES: Too bad?
JANE: Not bad at all?
SOARES: When did you make - you came this morning? Or did you arrive last night?
JANE: We came up at 12 o'clock this morning.
SOARES: Were you surprised at how quickly it was? How quickly you moved?
JANE: It went really quite fast. And we got talking a group of us walking together about different things and for our reasons for coming in things
that was really good.
SOARES: And talk to us and to our viewers watching around the world the importance for you and for Scotland to have this moment?
JANE: So for me, it was recognition of who she was, and that she'd kept on working to the end. So at 96, she gets to retire. So for her she looked -
she was smiling the day before - meeting the new Prime Minister.
SOARES: Prime Minister, yes.
JANE: And to see her relaxed and smiling in that picture.
JANE: And then to know that her job was finished. And I think your colleague asked me, what I thought of when I went came through and I
thought, she's not there she's gone. And I think she's got to the end of life here. And she's been able - she's now gone when she's at peace. And
that's what I thought.
SOARES: It that comfort you?
JANE: Yes, it comforted me. And I think it was good to go. She was of the same era as my parents. And I just felt thankful for her. She spoke about
her Christian faith. And she let it infuse what she did. And I'm just very thankful for the Queen that we've had. And pray for Charles III.
SOARES: Yes. Yes. Thank you very much, Jane.
JANE: Thank you.
SOARES: I really appreciate you taking the time to speak to us. Thank you. I know it was very emotional. I know. Thank you very much. And Julia, from
many Scots, I've been speaking to something very poignant in many ways that you know that the Queen, of course, as you well knows loved Scotland and
And that love was reciprocated, that she died here because at least they get to be part of her final fair well, and for many here with the 26000,
46,000 or so that's exactly what it meant? It meant the world to them to saying thank you, for years of service. And this was of course, Scotland's
moment, we know that the coffin will depart at 5 pm 12 pm Eastern making great last journey as King Charles III said, on its way to London, Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Isa it was quite emotional listening to that, to be honest. And I think the point that she made that I think will stay with many people is
that last photograph that we have of her knowing that within two days, she would no longer be with us. And yet she still managed to stand.
Her hands were clearly injured, the beaming smile that we all know so well, I think for many people, whether or not you're a royalist or otherwise,
that degree of dedication and service, I think is the memory we'll all have?
SOARES: Yes. And I think that speaks Julia, on that point that speaks so much about the Monarch and the woman that matriarch that she was, and even
those who are not pro monarchy, Julia have said to me, they have deep love and affection for the Queen that says so much of course, about Queen
Many others though saying that, that King Charles III Julia has big shoes to fill. But he's got a good apprentice, and he's had a good teacher. And
they are confident on the whole all very positive so far regarding King Charles III Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Yes. A good sign too. Isa, great to have you with us, thank you Isa Soares in Edinburgh there!
Now from Edinburgh the Queen's coffin will travel to Buckingham Palace as Isa was saying. It will be received by God of Honor before lying at rest
overnight in the ballroom. From Wednesday onwards the coffin will lie in public view at Westminster Cathedral until her majesty's funeral on Monday.
And Nina Dos Santos joins us now from Buckingham Palace. Nina, good to have you with us Isa was just saying the authorities there was saying 26,000
people went to see the Queen's coffin there in Edinburgh.
I heard you saying earlier that they're expected to be up to 2 million people coming to London over the coming days. How many of those people do
we think are actually going to try and queue up and wait to pay their respects to the Queen at Westminster?
NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and people are already starting to line the streets as we speak. You can see some of them behind me in
Buckingham Palace Julia over my left shoulder.
You can also see heightened security presence which is tightening by the hour as we speak. As the journey the final one back towards Buckingham
Palace will begin in a few hours' time when the Queen's coffin will be loaded onto a C-17 plane alongside her only daughter the Princess Royal
They'll make that one hour flight down to London landing at an Air Force Base RAF North Hall just about 15 miles northwest of the capital and then
obviously the main motorway freeway from the north down into London will be closed for the hearse to move closer and closer to the British Capital.
SANTOS: It will then head into London central true and proper, and pass through a number of important monuments that many of our viewers might be
familiar with heading over to Hyde Park, at Paddington Basin, it'll move towards Marble Arch Hyde Park Corner, and then eventually head down Horse
The mail which is over here on my right before being greeted here at Buckingham Palace probably in the early evening by other members of the
Royal Family in particular, the Queen's three of the children were expecting King Charles III, and his Queen Consort, Camilla, to have come
back from their trip to Northern Ireland by this time to greet his late mother and to bring her here to Buckingham Palace. The seat of the British
Monarchy, and also a place that was central to her 70 year long reign.
Now, as you said, this presents a huge logistical and security challenge. In fact, some of the drilling you can hear on my left and right is TV
studios that are being built on an ad hoc basis, huge media enclosures are being constructed but also they have to set up barriers in various parts of
And already you're starting to see signs guiding people to various parts of the line where over the next few days; they're going to have to line up.
This is going to be probably the biggest undertaking that London's Metropolitan Police Service has ever undertaken.
The only thing that they've seen similar was probably the state funeral in 1965, the great wartime leader, Prime Minister Winston Churchill, by the
way, the Queen's first Prime Minister, when she extended to the throne herself.
But obviously, the pressures of the day and the threats of the day are more significant. They're very real. This is a country that still remains in a
heightened state of security alert after various terrorist attacks have happened over recent years. And so you can bet that there will be many,
many police officers deployed over the next few days to guard both the crowds who are going to pay their respects to her majesty, but then the
dignitaries that will start to arrive, as we head into the state funeral taking place on Monday, Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Nina Dos Santos there thank you so much! And of course that is later on. Today for now the Queen's coffin remains in Edinburgh and the
King and Queen Consort, of course, winding their way having departed Hillsborough Castle.
Now on their way northeast to St. Anne's Cathedral for service of prayer and reflection on the life of Queen Elizabeth II you are looking at live
pictures there of their car and each one tracking their way towards St. Anne's. We'll be back after this. Stay with us.
CHATTERLEY: Welcome back! And as we're speaking the King and Queen Consort heading to St. Anne's Cathedral in Belfast for a service of prayer and
reflection in Honor of Queen Elizabeth II. The King has been meeting mourners in Northern Ireland this morning too as the Queen's coffin, of
course prepared to be flown to London.
And what you're looking at there is images of the new UK Prime Minister Liz Truss entering St. Anne's Cathedral for that service. Of course, as we were
just describing, before the break that iconic image of her meeting with the Queen earlier last week, the final image of the Queen that we saw she there
being greeted by other mourners in St. Anne's Cathedral and of course, yes, that's image that we were talking about.
And of course, we are awaiting the King and Queen Consort to arrive momentarily too. Much to discuss let's speak to Author and Royal
Commentator, Sarah Gristwood. Sarah, great to have you with us once again!
And we were talking, you and I on Thursday, last week when we were awaiting news on the health of the Queen and obviously it feels like a long time has
passed since then. One of the one of the things that actually caught my attention over the days that we've seen and the images that we've captured
actually is this morning when King Charles III arrived at Hillsborough Castle and children, meeting him smiling.
Maybe also happy that they didn't actually have to be in school today but there was real joy at meeting the new King and the Queen Consort and for me
that was among many, a very strong and positive image to come from something so sad?
SARAH GRISTWOOD, AUTHOR AND ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, that is indeed one of the nice things in these last difficult days has been the warmth with which
the new Charles III is being greeted. Because of course, that didn't always look like a given.
You know, over the decades, there were times when there really wasn't an enormous amount of warmth to the thought of Charles as King. But at the
moment, at least, it seems as if there is a great a feeling of affection, and acceptance. And as if he and those around him are doing everything they
can to foster that.
CHATTERLEY: Vitally important too. And if we look at the situation today, and we're seeing him visiting all the different nations within Great
Britain, Northern Ireland, of course, perhaps of all of them politically that the most delicate and where the Queen played such an important, a
political but essential, I think diplomatic role. How confident are you that he's going to be capable of, of achieving the same?
GRISTWOOD: Well, of course, the situation in Northern Ireland at the moment is extremely difficult to the point of really compromising government
there. The long strife of the 20th century was ended by the peace process at the end of that century.
But as all seemed thrown in jeopardy, again, by Brexit by Britain's exit from the European Union, that leaves you know, the southern the Republic of
Ireland, still part of that union, the northern with the rest of the United Kingdom out of it is there to be a hard border.
The Northern Irish officials, the European Union, and indeed President Biden have made it very clear don't - that they feel that you know, the
Northern Ireland protocol, which tried to calm everything down to prevent a hard border should be respected.
But there have been very worrying signs that the conservative government in Westminster, are not prepared to go along with that. So what that does? You
could say that King Charles has no more chance than anybody else of sorting out this mess with one stroke, but a big but.
He spoke in his speech, this earlier today, this morning, of extending a hand of healing, long hurt will hurt, long felt wounds. That's very much
what his mother did more than a decade ago, when she made a historic visit to the Republic of Ireland.
And, you know, tried to heal wounds there. So if he can exercise any kind of soft power any kind of reconciliatory function it's never been more
CHATTERLEY: I couldn't agree more. And actually I agree with you on the parallels in tone between Queen Elizabeth II and King Charles III. And on
that note, we are actually continuing to watch live pictures you can see the car there containing King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla as they
track their way to St. Anne's Cathedral for that service of prayer and reflection.
We know UK Prime Minister Liz Truss among others are patiently now waiting for them to arrive. What's striking to me is once again this is a working
day in Belfast, but you can see the crowds lining the streets waving flags, waiting to greet him a spectacle and it but also I think to share the
sadness and to share their condolences.
You can see the waving crowds there I think at the bottom of your screen. Yes, once again there as the King and Queen Consort pass and their flag
flying there in the sunshine in Belfast. No shortage of challenges but for now the day is about commemorating the life of Queen Elizabeth II. Sarah,
thank you so much for your time and your thoughts today Sarah Gristwood there! We're going to take a quick break we'll be back after this.
CHATTERLEY: Welcome back! You are looking at live pictures outside St. Anne's Cathedral in Belfast, Northern Ireland where King Charles III and
Queen Consort Camilla are about to arrive for a service of prayer and reflection celebrating commemorating to the life and service of Queen
Earlier the Royal couple met political and religious leaders at the Royal Residence at Hillsborough Castle. The King spoke of how Queen Elizabeth
extended a hand to heal long held hurts in Northern Ireland? He went on to sign the visitor's book at the Hillsborough Estate.
Nic Robertson is back with us now. Nic and I'm sharing live pictures once again of the motorcade and the King and Queen Consort arriving but we can
already hear rising cheers behind you I think as they approach?
ROBERTSON: You've heard people shouting "Long live the King" "Long live the King" as they came around the corner. The King gets out of his car even
before his - he was waving at the crowd waving again being greeted here by the Lord Lieutenant of Belfast introducing the Queen Consort for the Lord
Lieutenant introducing the King to others dignitaries here from Northern Ireland, for that change of office Mayors, Leaders of Council, Leaders of
This service will be about remembrance, remembrance of the Queen. Solemn moments that are so significant that as the King drove up of course I can
hear people singing "Long live the King".
ROBERTSON: Strains of the national anthem ringing out from the crowd about hundred yards away from the King. This is a crowd here, deeply appreciative
of the King and the Queen Consort. Listen to the cheers those waves as they're walking into St. Anne's there loved by the crowd.
You heard those cheers coming up I thought it was so significant there. But as the King's car pulled up, the window was rolled down just a little bit.
And he was waving at the crowd, even before he got out of the vehicle, making that connection making that human connection.
This is what we've seen, the King do over the past few days is rise into this role of Monarch, rising to that position of connecting with his
subjects. These here collected today, in this location, his loyal subjects, and people here very much pro the United Kingdom.
The speech earlier we heard from a politician who was pro a united Ireland, but praising the King, praising the King's mother, the Queen for all she'd
done to help. He's here by outstretching her hand and handshake to former paramilitaries.
Those that have even attacked her own family, her husband's uncle, one of those who were killed by the IRA but no rancor shown and what King Charles
had to say, reaching out across the communities here, saying that he hoped to ease the pain of history of those who felt separated by history,
speaking about wanting a better life for the people of this place rather than saying, what's so sensitive here?
You can say, Northern Ireland and that means you're pro-British. If you say the North of Ireland, that means you're pro-United Ireland the words here
so important and King Charles navigating his way so carefully through it.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, Nic, she never ceased to pray for the best of times for this place and for its people, heartwarming to hear those tears of support.
Nic Robertson there, thank you! And I believe Becky Anderson is with us. Becky, I'm going to hand over to you.
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: Thank you very much indeed. And you are watching CNN's Special Coverage Remembering Queen Elizabeth II live from Buckingham
I'm Becky Anderson. And you are looking at live pictures of King Charles III and his Queen Consort, who are attending a prayer service at St. Anne's
Cathedral in Belfast honoring his late mother her Majesty the Queen.
I'm joined by Royal Biographer Mark Saunders with me here. And as we look at these pictures, just reflect on what you believe and what is a broken
heart of Monarch will be going through at this point?
MARK SAUNDERS, ROYAL BIOGRAPHER: I think that he's going to feel extreme warmth coming at him from the public. And that's going to help him through.
He was originally amazed by the reaction. I remember watching him get out of the car, that very first time when was that? That would have been
Saturday, wouldn't it?
And the reaction from the crowd was amazing. And I don't think he expected that. So I think that's where he's going to get his strength. I think it
was always going to be where he was going to get his strength. But he's the more he realizes how he loved he is and I say surprisingly because the
Queen Consort I didn't think we would get this reaction. Didn't think we'd see this level of affection. I think that's going to carry him through.
ANDERSON: They are attending this service of prayers and remembrance. It's in Anne's Cathedral as a service of prayer and reflection for the life of
Queen Elizabeth. It will be underway shortly. They are attending this alongside many invited guests and just being introduced to those who are
gathered here today. Just remind us about the complexities of this relationship between country of Northern Ireland and the Royal Family.
SAUNDERS: I think--
ANDERSON: Just before you do that, let's just listen in.