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Flight Data Appears To Show Black Hawk Off Course; U.S. Tariffs On Mexico, China, Canada Start Saturday; Remembering Victims Of Deadly D.C.- Area Collision; Hamas Reveals Details Of Hostages To Be Released; Trump Increases Pressure On Egypt And Jordan; Grammy Awards Preview. Aired 6-7p ET
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Dean. And wherever you are in the world, this is your "First Move."
A warm welcome to "First Move." Here's today's need to know. Flight data appears to show the Black Hawk helicopter, which collided with a commercial
jet, was off course. Now, the FAA indefinitely has closed helicopter routes near Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C.
Hamas gives Israel the names of three additional hostages it will release on Saturday as part of the current ceasefire deal. One of them is a dual
Israeli-American citizen.
And it's tariff time. The White House pushing ahead with a 25 percent duty on goods from Mexico and Canada and 10 percent from China starting
Saturday.
And we're going to look at the runners and riders ahead of this weekend's Grammy Music Award. That conversation and more coming up.
But first today, difficult recovery operations continue in Washington, D.C. after Wednesday's tragic midair collision between a passenger jet and an
Army helicopter. 41 bodies have so far been recovered. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board has just announced it has recovered the black
boxes and it says interviews of air traffic control personnel have begun. President Trump says the helicopter was flying too high.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: The helicopter, as you know, was out of its zone. It shouldn't have been out of its zone. It was at the same height as
the airplane. Now, the airplane was coming down on its track. It was perfect. It was in perfect shape coming down and something was in its way.
You can't let that happen.
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DEAN: New video obtained by CNN shows a previously unseen angle of the crash, and I do want to warn you that this is a disturbing video to see.
When you watch it, you see here that Black Hawk helicopter and the American Airlines plane flying toward each other. And then, you see that bright
explosion, both aircraft spinning out of control and crashing there into the Potomac River.
Data from flight tracking company Flightradar24 appears to show the helicopter was flying 100 feet or 30 meters above the maximum allowed
altitude in that area. Danny Freeman has more on the developments from today.
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DANNY FREEMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Surveillance video obtained by CNN showing the final moments before the two aircraft collide, the type
of evidence investigators are sure to examine carefully as they work to determine what happened.
TODD INMAN, NTSB MEMBER: We take everything serious. Every potential scenario. So, it's helpful as we see all these different new pieces of
evidence, whether it be eyewitness or video in this case, those things help give us a lot more details.
FREEMAN (voice-over): In the video, you can see the Black Hawk helicopter flying seemingly as normal straight into the descending passenger jet.
Neither aircraft appeared to try to avoid the other, a sign they may not have seen each other until it was too late. This despite the helicopter
pilots confirming to air traffic controllers it saw the plane seconds before the crash.
INMAN: Right now, it's too early to speculate on what exactly occurred, but you've got a lot of different moving parts. So, we're in the early stages.
FREEMAN (voice-over): Now, the altitude of the Black Hawk helicopter is coming under increased scrutiny. Flight tracking data from the company
Flightradar24 appeared to show the helicopter was flying 100 feet above the maximum allowed altitude and veering off the prescribed route along the
east side of the Potomac River.
On Friday, CNN learned the Federal Aviation Administration indefinitely shut down the low altitude helicopter corridor used by the Black Hawk on
Wednesday night. Lawmakers are looking to see if permanent changes are needed around one of the busiest runways in the country.
SEN. MARIA CANTWELL (D-WA): What the video shows is that they were flying at the same altitude at a moment when that shouldn't have happened. That
somewhere in the process of what is now established as these two routes, which I think will raise a lot of questions for lawmakers to discuss, how
are those two routes and even the level of separation that is expected, how could how -- how are we even doing that?
FREEMAN (voice-over): Investigators now have their hands on the airliners' two black boxes. The device is crucial to understanding what may have
happened in the final moments of that flight. Meanwhile, recovery efforts continued on the cold and rainy Potomac River Friday. D.C. officials
determined to recover every victim under the water, whatever it takes.
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CHIEF JOHN DONNELLY SR., WASHINGTON, D.C. FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT: Yes, we expect to recover all of the bodies. That's why our teams are still
working. We're going to have to work with the salvage company to do some of that work.
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DEAN: And that was Danny Freeman. For more on this, Shawn Pruchnicki is joining us now. He's an assistant professor at the Center for Aviation
Studies at Ohio State University and a former commercial airline pilot and accident investigator. Shawn, thanks for being here with us.
We just heard that latest briefing from the NTSB. We know now that these interviews have begun with the air traffic controllers. What does that tell
you about where this investigation is?
SHAWN PRUCHNICKI, FORMER ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR, AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION AND FORMER COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT: Well, that's certainly going to be an
early part of this investigation and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. You know, that's going to be a significant part of this. The other
part is listening to the cockpit voice recorder of the helicopter, and I haven't heard any information yet if they have retrieved that, because it's
going to be very interesting to see if the pilots in the helicopter -- to what extent they discussed what they were seeing, what they were not
seeing.
DEAN: Right. Because there's so many questions that are still unanswered about who saw what in the moments before impact.
PRUCHNICKI: Exactly. So, you know, we don't know what they were talking about right before that. There's some -- you know, there's obviously
questions about the altitude discrepancy. So, we don't know why they were possibly 100 feet high. There might have been a good reason. They might
have been, you know, having a mechanical problem, and that caused them to become distracted.
And, you know, I mean, there's just all kinds of different explanations why that could be. So, it's going to be really crucial to hear those two,
three, five minutes prior to this whole discussion about, do you have that traffic in sight, to hear and possibly explain why this helicopter was too
high for that route?
DEAN: And another thing that struck me during that Q&A section of that briefing was they alluded to, again, you know, the Swiss cheese model in
aviation, which is that there's all these things put into place that if something does go wrong, the whole thing shouldn't fall apart. There should
be other ways that prevent disasters like this from happening. And they said like, this should have just never happened.
And it is still now, two days later, really striking when we're watching these videos that this even was able to happen.
PRUCHNICKI: Well, yes, they're exactly right. I mean, this -- you know, this type of operation at DCA with the helicopters over the Potomac and
this very busy airspace, this is operations as normal at this airport. I have flown in there well over 100 times if not more.
And what we typically do see in most accidents is, one, they are multifactorial. There's lots of, you know, moving parts that play a role in
these accidents. And that they're typically factors and things that we find that go on a regular basis, that all kind of come together to form the, you
know, perfect storm, if you will, as opposed to one large explanation, one, you know, huge error that, you know, responsible for the whole system
collapsing.
So, you know, the NTSB is going to be able to look at all the information. That's why these investigations sometimes can take as long as a year.
There's a lot to look at here.
DEAN: Yes, and I know, and they will be sorting through so much, as you note. Shawn Pruchnicki at the Center for Aviation Studies at Ohio State
University, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate it.
President Trump says a 25 percent tariff on Mexican and Canadian imports will start Saturday. He's also raising tariffs on Chinese imports by 10
percent. The president has been threatening the top three U.S. trading partners for some time now on the campaign trail again and again. A report
by Reuters suggested on Friday he would delay the tariffs until March 1st, but Mr. Trump told reporters just a few hours ago he is staying the course.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, is there anything China, Canada, and Mexico can do tonight to forestall your implementation of tariffs tomorrow?
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: No, nothing. Not right now. No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not a negotiating tool?
TRUMP: No, it's not. No, it's pure economic. We have big deficits with -- as you know, with all three of them. And in one case, they're sending
massive amounts of fentanyl, killing hundreds of thousands of people a year with the fentanyl. And in the other two cases, they're making it possible
for this poison to get in, number one. And number two, we have big deficits and it's something we're doing.
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DEAN: The president said he will soon go further and put tariffs on semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, steel, and other metals, all of this
despite warnings of potential economic harm. The Tax Foundation is a nonpartisan think tank. It says the tariffs against Canada and Mexico will
shrink U.S. economic output by about half a percent, and they will amount to an 830-tax hike on average U.S. households.
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Knowing all of that, let's bring in Jeff Zeleny now, who has been at the White House following this today. President Trump, Jeff, forging ahead
here. What more are you learning about the thinking going into saying we're going ahead with this on February 1st?
JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Jessica, forging ahead, even as the stock market had a reaction of its own, really
in real-time today here at the White House, as the White House press secretary was confirming that the president does indeed plan to go forward
with these tariffs on Mexico and Canada and China on February 1st. Tomorrow the market reacted. We saw that happen, of course.
But the president actually acknowledged, when he was doing some other business in the Oval Office, he said, yes, there may be some short-term of
disruption. There may be some temporary pain here, but he said people will understand that.
That really is essential question hanging over all of this, will people understand it? What type of effect will this have on inflation? He went on
to say that tariffs do not lead to inflation. Of course, a lot of economists do not agree with that. We shall see.
So up until now, this administration has been still talking about the Biden inflation. But this is now something that this president owns. But, I mean,
in terms of oil and gas, we are learning, the president said so himself in the Oval Office a short time ago, that that is likely to be a put off until
February 18th, and it will likely be a lower percentage.
So, Jessica, as we have seen before, we will wait until we see the actual documents of these tariffs until we know exactly what the fallout will be,
as well as the timing. But it is looking like there's going to be a slight delay on oil and gas tariffs, but not the rest of the goods.
But the bottom line to all of this is he is a believer in tariffs, it's controversial inside the administration, and certainly among economists as
well.
DEAN: Yes, certainly. And -- but well known to the American people who went ahead and did vote for him. So, we will see how this all shakes out. All
right. Jeff Zeleny, thank you so much from the White House.
Moments after Mr. Trump pledged to move ahead with 25 percent tariffs on Canada, this was the response from Canada's energy and national resources
minister.
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JONATHAN WILKINSON, CANADIAN ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER: We are so integrated from an economic perspective for mutual benefit that we can
actually do so much more together in terms of countering the threat that is posed by China and Russia and, you know, countries that historically have
been very much best friends. I find it very, very strange.
But certainly, you know, Canada is a sovereign nation, if in fact there is an aggressive action, which this would be an aggressive action against
Canada and Canadians, the Canadian government would have to respond. Canadians would expect the Canadian government to respond and to try to
target goods that are exported from the United States to Canada.
We don't want to be here. I mean, at the end of the day, I'd rather be having a conversation about how we actually strengthen the work that we're
doing together, not going down this kind of tit for tat, lose-lose proposition.
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DEAN: Joining us now, Everett Eissenstat, a partner at the law firm Squire Patton Boggs. He also worked on economic policy in the first Trump White
House. Thanks so much for being here with us today.
Let's just start first with this idea of tariffs. We just heard that reporting from my colleague Jeff Zeleny at the White House, that Trump --
President Trump continues to say that Trump -- that tariffs will not lead to inflation. We know some economists disagree with that. What's your take
on that?
EVERETT EISSENSTAT, PARTNER, SQUIRE PATTON BOGGS AND FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: No, he certainly
doesn't believe that it will cause inflation. And in fact, part of the evidence of that is during the first term when he put tariffs on China, the
inflation was not forthcoming. So, I think that is evidence to him that it won't cause inflation.
There's also other parts of the administration's agenda, deregulatory agenda and tax cut agenda, that believe -- that make many in the
administration think that tariffs will not have an inflationary impact. So, that doesn't seem to be curtailing the desire to use them. And in fact, as
we heard today, he's determined to go forward and we'll be doing so very soon.
DEAN: Yes. And I hear you on the first administration, these are just bigger and they're going to affect more countries and they're going to
affect more items that people buy every single day. Do you think -- when do you think people, Americans, regular Americans, might start to notice a
difference?
EISSENSTAT: It's hard to say because supply chains have an amazing way of moving around and getting around obstacles. And that doesn't mean that it
won't have an impact. But it does mean that supply chains will change. And where that really impacts immediately is companies who have orders and have
built contracts on understandings and certain prices, from certain countries. And they'll need to adapt to that. They'll need to accommodate
that. And perhaps revise their plans and recalibrate.
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I think the president believes, and he said as much, that this will drive more manufacturing in the United States. And then, eventually, some of
those exports that are coming into the country will eventually be made here in the United States, thereby creating a more prosperous economy here in
the U.S.
DEAN: Yes. But that takes some time, right, to get all of that up and going and manufacturing moved. If you're a small business in America and you
import things from Mexico or Canada to sell to Americans, what does the next six months look like for you?
EISSENSTAT: Well, it's going to be disruptive. There's no question about that. And it's important for any business that has any exposure to an
international market like this to think about where their significant risks are and how to mitigate those risks.
There are steps that can be taken internally from the company that are business mitigation efforts. There's also ways to affect, you know, risk
externally. So that's the first thing, is to think about your risk exposure and have a plan and then be ready to execute that plan. Because as we have
seen over the last few days, even the first few weeks of the administration, tariffs are being applied or could be applied for any
number of reasons against any number of countries.
So, being nimble and understanding that it is a volatile environment and being prepared for that and having a plan in place to address that
volatility is very, very important, I think.
DEAN: And is it clear at this point exactly what he wants Canada to do?
EISSENSTAT: Well, we started out -- and this is really interesting because even prior to the inauguration, if you go back and look at his campaign
statements, he had articulated tariffs use for many, many different purposes. And as a tool to both, you know, undo unfair trade practices, as
a tool to raise revenue, to offset the deficit that this country has and also as a tool to reduce deficits over all with other countries.
So, it's really almost like a Swiss army knife of tools. And I think from what we heard tonight, it is not just about migration and fentanyl, it's
also about having a balanced trading relationship. And this word reciprocity is when you're probably going to hear more and more in this
administration. The idea that we should have a reciprocal trading relationship, that tariffs should be equal among countries, and there
should be a fair and balanced trading relationship. And that is what I think he's really driving toward.
DEAN: And there -- obviously, he said he's going to delay any tariffs on oil until later in February. How do you see that playing out?
EISSENSTAT: Well, it's interesting. I heard that tonight as well. And one of the initial reactions was that it would be done over the weekend. And
perhaps there's some market reasons that's not being done. I think there's a lot of, you know, energy markets are very fluid, of course, and they also
have national security implications and there may be some other reasons that we are not purview to about why February 18th matters, and that's the
date and not this date. I understand there may be the beginning of a smaller tariff in place initially that may go up on February 18th. But
we'll just have to wait and see. And, you know, it's a moving target and one we're going to be watching very, very closely.
DEAN: But when those ultimately do go into place, whenever that might be, it seems oil prices will go up.
EISSENSTAT: That -- I'm not an energy expert. I can't say. That would be my assumption. Yes, I do think that is possible. And it certainly will have an
impact on where oil comes from. And there's many different types of oil, right? And our country uses -- some of the oil from Canada is produced and
it fits well with our refiners. So, there's definitely going to be disruption there.
So, the oil markets are something we, again, we'll want to watch that very closely.
DEAN: All right. Everett Eissenstat who served as deputy director of the National Economic Council during the first Trump administration, thank you
so much for your time. We appreciate it.
EISSENSTAT: My pleasure. Thank you.
DEAN: Thanks. Straight ahead, the Israeli government and Hamas gearing up for the next hostage and prisoner exchange. We've got details on the three
men Hamas is set to free on Saturday. That's coming up.
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DEAN: Welcome back. Red Arrows on Wall Street, topping today's Money Move. U.S. stocks giving back earlier gains on word the U.S. will go ahead with
those 25 percent tariffs on Mexico and Canada and 10 percent tariffs on China Saturday. The Dow, the hardest hit as you see. Stocks finishing out a
volatile week that began with news of the shocking A.I. advances from China's DeepSeek. A mixed set of tech earnings later in the week. And an
encouraging read on U.S. prices on Friday, the Fed's preferred measure of inflation coming in as expected.
In other business news, another U.S. corporate giant is heeding President Trump's call to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. Chevron
referring to the Gulf of America a number of times in its fourth quarter report -- profit report released Friday. Google also promising to make the
change to Google Maps soon.
Germany's parliament has rejected a draft law on tightening immigration policy there. That bill put forward by Friedrich Merz, the leader of the
opposition CDU Conservatives, with the support of the far-right. Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel criticizing Merz for working with the far-
right, a long held political taboo. Our Fred Pleitgen has more now from Berlin.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a pretty big blow for German conservative political hopeful Friedrich Merz as a
motion that he tabled in German parliament seeking to severely restrict migration into this country was rejected by German parliament after what
was a long and very controversial debate in the Bundestag.
Now, Friedrich Merz mbade an impassioned plea for other parties to vote in favor of his motion, saying that in the end, all of these were common sense
measures that other parties could support.
FRIEDRICH MERZ, GERMAN LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (through translator): Are you serious that in view of the fact that groups of parents are now coming
together all over Germany, of children who have been victimized by asylum seekers, of the most serious criminal offenses, are you serious that we
cannot make a decision on this today in the center of the German Bundestag? You can't be serious.
PLEITGEN: In the end, however, that was not enough to convince, especially Merz's political rivals in German parliament. First and foremost, of
course, the Social Democrats around German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, but of course, the Green Party, which is in a coalition with Scholz as well.
Now, on the face of it, the measures that were promoted by Merz don't appear to be very controversial and certainly are things that other
political parties have talked about in the past as well. One of them is making it a goal of German migration policy to curb migration into Germany
rather than to manage migration, which is the wording now.
It also wants to give more authority to the German Federal Police to stop illegal border crossings into Germany. And it also wants to make sure that
asylum seekers whose claims have been rejected are not allowed to bring further family members into Germany as well. All of this has become a big-
ticket issue here in this country after a string of attacks by mostly rejected asylum seekers, often leading to the deaths of German citizens.
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And the Green Party and the Social Democrats had said that they do want to tighten restrictions and allow fewer people into the country, but the big
issue for them was that votes from the right-wing Alternative for Germany, AfD, were necessary to push the measure through. In fact, the parliamentary
whip of the Social Democrats said that Merz was doing a deal with the devil.
ROLF MUTZENICH, CHAIRMAN, BUNDESTAG'S SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY GROUP (through translator): It's not too late, this sin will forever be with you.
But the door to hell, yes, I am saying the door to hell, we can still close together. You must put the firewall up again. Put up the firewall again.
PLEITGEN: All of this, of course, is a big issue and a controversial issue here in the society as well, with polls indicating that a majority of
Germans do want tighter restrictions on migration into this country. At the same time, though, there were also protests against these measures in front
of the headquarters of the Conservative Party.
The one party that says it came out a winner in all of this is the alternative for Germany, the right-wing party, which says that they were
the ones who remained strong in all of this.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Berlin.
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DEAN: More than a dozen U.S. prosecutors who worked on the January 6th cases have lost their jobs now with the Justice Department. This is
according to communications obtained by CNN. Sources telling CNN the White House has been set to purge career law enforcement officials. People
briefed on the matter say the firings will include dozens of FBI agents who worked on the January 6th Capitol attack.
Interim leaders of the Department of Justice have apparently drawn up a list of people who are out of favor with President Trump, and sources say
some career lawyers have been reassigned.
Meanwhile, the CDC has removed websites and data sets related to LGBTQ people, HIV, and more. This is part of the Trump administration's pushback
against so-called gender ideology. Several U.S. government agencies have also told employees to delete pronouns from their e-mail signatures, this
is according to internal e-mails seen by CNN. The State Department and the Department of Defense among the agencies sending out such directives.
Straight ahead, remembering the victims of Wednesday's plane crash, we're going to share some of their stories and the tragic similarities to another
plane crash. That's in just a moment.
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DEAN: Welcome back to "First Move" with a look now at more international headlines this hour. A Trump administration official has met with
authoritarian Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Envoy Richard Grinnell was expected to discuss deportation flights and other topics. Mr. Maduro
has refused to take back Venezuelan citizens deported by the Trump administration. Their meeting comes ahead of a Central American trip by
Secretary of State Marco Rubio this weekend.
Norway has seized a ship suspected of sabotaging an undersea cable between Latvia and Sweden. The ship is Norwegian-owned with a Russian crew, and
it's the latest such incident in the Baltic Sea. Russia has repeatedly been accused of committing sabotage, but the Kremlin has denied those claims.
We're turning now to our top story. The deadly midair collision that killed 67 people on Wednesday near Washington, D.C. In its latest briefing a short
time ago, the NTSB said barges are now on the way to assist with salvage operations.
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TODD INMAN, NTSB MEMBER: Barges are in route from Virginia Beach, and we anticipate them to be on scene early tomorrow morning. After their arrival,
they will be secured, located, and then significant salvage operations will continue. They are ongoing right now, but this will be the main lifting.
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DEAN: We're learning more about the victims, parents, educators, promising young athletes, just some of those killed in the deadliest U.S. Aviation
disaster since 2001. Several were members or relatives of the figure skating community, and it's a somber echo of a 1961 crash, which killed all
18 members of the U.S. figure skating team. Ed Lavandera reports on some of the lives lost in the crash.
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NANCY KERRIGAN, TWO-TIME OLYMPIC MEDALIST: We just wanted to be here with each other.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): Six members of The Skating Club of Boston died Wednesday. Olympic medalist Nancy Kerrigan
came together with the Boston skating community after the unimaginable tragedy.
KERRIGAN: I'm not sure how to process it.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): Among the 67 victims of the deadly collision two teenage figure skaters, Spencer Lane --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you please welcome to the ice Gina Hahn.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): -- and Gina Hahn.
DOUG ZEGHIBE, CEO, THE SKATING CLUB OF BOSTON: We watched Gina just grow up here from just a tiny little tike into this amazingly mature 13-year-old.
And we talk a lot about the athletes, but I think we're going to miss their moms as much. Just really good people.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): Their mothers were also on the plane along with two coaches, Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov, from Boston seen here winning
the 1994 World Figure Skating Pairs Championship.
DR. TENLEY ALBRIGHT, STAKING CLUB BOSTON/OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST (1956): I really can't believe that it happened because I picture them right here.
The coaches always stood at that entrance. The skaters just flew all over the ice doing remarkable things, inspiring all of us.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): They were just a handful of a larger group of skaters on American Eagle flight 5342.
ZEGHIBE: Fourteen skaters returning home from the National Development Camp at Wichita, Kansas, put on by U.S. Figure Skating, were lost in the plane
crash.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): The Russian couple's son Maxim returned home on an earlier flight and just medaled at the U.S. Men's Figure Skating
Championship over the weekend.
An eerie silence at the Wichita Ice Center as the magnitude of the loss keeps growing. A mourner left a simple tribute on the bare ice days after
an intense three-day training took place here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're some of my daughter's best friends.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): One of the crash victims was playing a video game with this man's 10-year-old daughter from the plane just before the
accident occurred.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she would always be there to talk to me.
LAVANDERA (voiceover): Tragedy has struck this skating community before in 1961 when the entire Boston Club's team was killed in a plane crash heading
to the World Championships.
Other victims in Wednesday's crash over the Potomac River were three U.S. service members aboard the Black Hawk helicopter, and four crew members on
the plane that left Wichita, including American Airlines flight attendant Ian Epstein, first officer Samuel Lilley, and Captain Jonathan Campos.
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MAYOR LILY WU, WICHITA, KANSAS: This is a terrible tragedy that will unite those in Washington, D.C. and Wichita, Kansas forever.
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DEAN: Ed Lavandera, thank you. And still ahead, three more Israeli hostages set to be released from Gaza in exchange for dozens of Palestinian
prisoners. We're going to have the latest from the Middle East. That's next.
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DEAN: Let's turn now to the Middle East where Hamas has given Israel the name, the names of three more hostages it will release on Saturday as part
of a ceasefire agreement. All of them are men. One is a French-Israeli citizen, another, Keith Siegel, is an Israeli-American. Siegel's family
sharing this emotional moment, his wife and daughter embracing when they heard he was on the list. Jeremy Diamond has more now from Jerusalem.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, one of seven Americans still held hostage in Gaza is set to be released tomorrow. Keith Siegel, a
65-year-old who was taken hostage from his home in Kibbutz Kfar Aza, will be released alongside two other Israeli hostages. His wife, Aviva Siegel,
who was also taken captive on October 7th, she has relentlessly advocated for his release in both the United States and Israel since she was released
in that November 2023 ceasefire deal.
Ofer Calderon is the second hostages set to be released. His two children had been held hostage in Gaza and were also released during that November
2023 hostage deal. And we are also expecting Yarden Bibas to be released. He is, of course, the father of the two youngest Israeli hostages being
held captive in Gaza. Kfir and Ariel were just nine months old and four years old when they were taken captive from Kibbutz Nir Oz on October 7th
and truly became a symbol of the brutality of that day.
Hamas claimed that they had been killed in an Israeli airstrike alongside their mother, Shiri Bibas, but the Israeli government has never actually
confirmed their fate. The fact that Yarden Bibas is now expected to be released before them, raising serious concerns about their fate.
This is a statement from the Bibas family saying, our Yarden is supposed to return tomorrow and we are so excited. But Shiri and the children still
haven't returned. We have such mixed emotions and we are facing extremely complex days.
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Important to note that last week, Admiral Daniel Hagari, the spokesman of the Israeli military, said that they were, quote, "gravely concerned" for
the fate of Shiri, Kfir, and Ariel. All eyes will also be on how this hostage release actually unfolds tomorrow following those chaotic scenes
from that release of hostages on Thursday in the Southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. And now the fate of the Rafah Crossing depends on that.
An Israeli official telling us that the Rafah Crossing will only become fully operational as long as that chaotic hostage release we saw on
Thursday does not unfold once again. If it does become fully operational, the World Health Organization says that 50 wounded patients from the Gaza
Strip are set to be medically evacuated through that crossing. The first time that will happen since May of 2024.
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DEAN: All right. Jeremy Diamond, thank you. In the meantime, U.S. President Donald Trump is stepping up pressure on Egypt and Jordan to resettle
Palestinians from Gaza. It's something both Arab States have flatly rejected. It's part of Mr. Trump's proposal to, quote, "clean Gaza out."
Here's what he told reporters.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, Egypt's presidents and the king of Jordan have both said that they won't take in displaced people from Gaza like you
suggested. Is there anything you can do to make them do that? I mean, tariffs against those countries, for example?
TRUMP: They will do it. They will do it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What makes you say that?
TRUMP: They're going to do it. OK? We do a lot for them, and they're going to do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DEAN: Let's get more now on the developments in the Middle East. I want to bring in Mara Rudman. She's the Director of the Ripples of Hope Project at
the University of Virginia, as well as a former deputy Middle East Envoy and deputy national security adviser under Presidents Bill Clinton and
Barack Obama. Thank you so much for your time and for being here with us.
I just want to -- let's just start where the president left off there and then we can kind of back into some of the other things I want to talk
about, but this idea that President Trump continues to push Egypt and Jordan to take Palestinians, something as we noted, that they just simply
said, we are not doing, they feel like it is displacing them from their homeland. How do you see that playing out?
MARA RUDMAN, RIPPLES OF HOPE PROJECT DIRECTOR, MILLER CENTER AT UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA AND FORMER U.S. DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I see it as
highly problematic. I would love to say that I'm surprised by what President Trump has done or the edicts he's issued, but I'm not because we
see these kinds of edicts and expectation, whether it's domestically or internationally for him to say jump and others to say how high.
He is finding here at home, and I think with some of our neighbors, that that doesn't work and play out as he expected. I think he's hearing some of
that from Jordan and Egypt.
I'd like to take a step back just to talk about also how appalling it is that he is language like cleaning, a cleaning out Gaza, the concerns about
ethnic cleansing throughout the world are significant and that language is so close really is the same as that. And frankly, part of Israel being a
state is in part because of the ethnic cleansing of Jews in Germany and in Europe that led to World War II and that occurred during World War II.
DEAN: And we know Trump and Netanyahu are likely to meet. That's still taking shape. But what do you -- how do you see that relationship as it
stands right now?
RUDMAN: So, there's been a lot of questions about the strength of the relationship. For Prime Minister Netanyahu, I think he, certainly in
Trump's first term, was close to him, and President Trump, in his first term, was very popular in Israel. But there's also been some fractures in
their relationships.
I think Prime Minister Netanyahu has a tendency to overstep not just with the United States, and I think he did that towards the end of President
Trump's first term in a way that angered him. And I think that President Trump as well has some interests. He does not want to see additional wars,
additional conflicts on his watch. He's made that clear. And yet, his ability to control that is in question.
But he's probably going to be making some points to Prime Minister Netanyahu that the prime minister may not want to hear. While this is his -
- the first visit of an official visit of a foreign leader to Washington, which is a big deal for Prime Minister Netanyahu, President Trump's first
foreign call was with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, and he made that call the first day he was in office.
And so, there are a number of different aspects likely to what President Trump is going to try to do, wants to accomplish. Not clear that this
meeting will meet either his or Prime Minister Netanyahu's objectives.
DEAN: And then, let's look ahead to tomorrow and this other exchange where we see the hostages coming back from Gaza and the Palestinian prisoners
being released Thursday, as Jeremy Diamond noted, was quite chaotic when those hostages were being released. How do you expect this to play out?
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And as Jeremy noted too, the Rafah Crossing tied into all of this as well, there's a lot at stake for how this goes tomorrow.
RUDMAN: Sure. There are a lot of different moving pieces. I will say that the hostage for whom the release was most chaotic was 29-year-old Arbel
Yehud, who was being held by Islamic Jihad, and that she had been -- she was supposed to be released days earlier and was not. And so, some of the
challenges may have been, who was holding her and who was in control of the movement.
Israel delayed initially their concurrent -- what was meant to be a concurrent release of Palestinian prisoners and they delayed that and yet,
went forward with it ultimately based on assurances from the mediators that what happened with her in the -- in her release would not reoccur. Their
added assurance apparently is also what they have committed to do in Rafah, which is the full opening of the passage under terms agreed to with Egypt
and with the Palestinian Authority for the passage of sick and wounded Palestinians into Egypt.
And so, they -- what you have reported is that they are essentially slow walking that until they see how the release tomorrow goes.
DEAN: Yes. All right. Well, we will see it all play out. Mara Rudman, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it.
RUDMAN: Thank you for having me.
DEAN: We're going to have more "First Move" after the break.
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DEAN: Welcome back to "First Move." Cutting down on alcohol is a common New Year's resolution. You've probably heard of people giving up drinking for
dry January. And now, a new way to enjoy it in a moderate way is gaining ground. Anna Stewart explains.
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ANNA STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A drink in the pub is at the heart of British culture, but the way people drink is changing.
To survive, the industry needs to understand how, apparently, people zebra stripe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is zebra striping? I don't know. Is it the thing you put on a black and white horse?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some form of dance? No, no idea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I would imagine us painting something in black and white, but apart from that, I don't really know.
STEWART: So, say you're going to start the night drinking beer. This would be your black stripe. Then, your next drink would be nonalcoholic. We have
a nonalcoholic gin and tonic here. This is your white stripe. And then, perhaps for your next drink, go back to alcohol. Nice glass of red wine.
Another black stripe. Simple.
STEWART (voice-over): It's a tactic to moderate drinking that's becoming more popular. More than half of U.S. and U.K. consumers are likely to zebra
strike in January, and 61 percent are either definitely or likely to moderate alcohol this way in 2025. But are people actually using the term?
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BEN BRANSON, FOUNDER, SEEDLIP: I've not come across anyone saying, actually, tonight, I'm zebra striping. It's not catchy. I'm here going, oh,
I don't like the phrase, but I don't have a better one. But I think the ritual and behavior of alternating is brilliant. That's what you call
moderation.
STEWART (voice-over): Ben Branson was at the forefront of the non-drinking drinks industry when Seedlip was launched in 2015, billed as the world's
first nonalcoholic spirit. At the time, he had a lot of pushback.
BRANSON: This is never going to sell. This is a ridiculous idea. What is the point? We don't need nonalcoholic options. And so, you fast forward to
there being a thousand brands, a $23 billion category, global, growing, exciting.
STEWART (voice-over): Diageo is now the majority shareholder of Seedlip, and all the major players are invested in the alcohol-free space, promoting
options for when people mix it up.
BRANSON: We saw this play out with Coca-Cola, PepsiCo, where sugar was concerned, probably back in the '90s. The big companies see what's going
on, I'm sure. I don't think they're worried, I think they are just working out how and where and when to -- yes, to get involved.
STEWART (voice-over): Zebra striping, as a term, may still be earning its stripes. Not everyone is convinced.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have an alcoholic drink, then you have a nonalcoholic drink, then you have a nonalcoholic drink, and so on and so
forth. What is the point?
STEWART (voice-over): But the wider shift away from traditional drinking isn't going away.
Anna Stewart, CNN, London.
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DEAN: Call it a case of songs amid the sadness. The 67th Annual Grammy Awards will take place on Sunday in wildfire-ravaged Los Angeles. This
year's ceremony will feature a rematch between Beyonce and Taylor Swift for album of the year. It's an award Beyonce has not won.
Also, up for big awards, breakout female pop singer Sabrina Carpenter and Chappell Roan, as well as established superstars, including Billie Eilish.
Behind the scenes, organizers will attempt to strike the appropriate tone after the recent disasters on both coasts of the U.S. Elizabeth Wagmeister
reports now from Los Angeles.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ELIZABETH WAGMEISTER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Amid a backdrop of tragedy, the nation's deadliest air disaster since 2001 and the
most destructive wildfires in Southern California history.
HARVEY MASON JR. CEO, RECORDING ACADEMY: Grammys and this platform is cool, but it's not the most important thing in the world.
WAGMEISTER (voice-over): Recording Academy CEO, Harvey Mason Jr. and Grammys executive producer, Ben Winston, are tasked with putting on a show
that some thought should be called off.
WAGMEISTER: There have been some people who say award season should be cancelled. This is not what we need right now.
BEN WINSTON, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, 67TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS: If you could actually take the Grammys, where we know we've got an audience who are
going to watch it, we know we've got the biggest stars in the whole world that are sitting there, and we bring real awareness to what's happened, we
do some really serious fundraising for the causes that need it so much right now, we pay tribute to our first responders, we showcase L.A.
businesses, surely that is worth doing rather than not doing.
WAGMEISTER: Winston and Mason Jr. sat down with CNN during a break in construction of the Grammy set. For them, this show feels personal.
MASON JR.: I know one guy that lost his entire studio, burned, all his collections, all his instruments, and this is how they make a living. So,
if we were to postpone the show, we wouldn't be able to raise the money that we need to support those people.
WINSTON: Before this happened, I probably knew the name of four of my neighbors. I reckon I now know about, like, 23 of them. Like, there is a
sense of community right now in Los Angeles that I personally haven't seen before, where people are helping each other, and I think we can reflect
that on the show.
WAGMEISTER (voice-over): They point out the majority of working musicians in L.A. aren't wealthy superstars. Plus, the Grammys telecast brings income
to 6,500 workers who depend on award season paychecks.
WINSTON: The drivers, the florists, the builders, the PAs, people, some of whom have lost their homes.
WAGMEISTER (voice-over): That said, the Grammys will still be the Grammys, with performances from pop stars like Chappell Roan, Charli XCX, and
Sabrina Carpenter, country Star, Brad Paisley, and legends like Stevie Wonder.
MASON JR.: There'll be incredible performances, but there's also going to be a layer of emotion and heart and storytelling about the heroes.
WAGMEISTER (voice-over): And if you're in it for, well, the awards, there's that too.
WAGMEISTER: The Beyonce question. You brought up the race for best album.
WINSTON: Yes.
WAGMEISTER: Is this the year for Beyonce?
MASON JR.: I'm going to give you a hot take. I feel like she's got a one in 8 chance of winning that thing. I'm serious.
WAGMEISTER: Statistically, that is absolutely accurate. It's actual. No fact-checking needed.
WINTSON: That's all you're going to get out of us.
WAGMEISTER (voice-over): Elizabeth Wagmeister, CNN, Los Angeles.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
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DEAN: And finally, on "First Move," basketball superstar Angel Reese surprising her mom with a very special birthday gift. Her mother, also
named Angel Reese, was so surprised, she almost dropped her cake. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANGEL REESE: You said that if your mortgage was paid off that you would retire or you can pick -- if you want to work still, so your mortgage today
has been paid. Oh, you're dropping the cake.
ANGEL REESE: What?
ANGEL REESE: Today, your mortgage has been paid. You ain't got to worry about your mortgage no more And if you want to still work and keep yourself
--
ANGEL REESE: Oh, my goodness.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DEAN: Wow. Reese is, of course, one of the most famous players in the WNBA with sponsors that -- sponsorship deals with McDonald's, Reebok, and
Reese's Candy.
That just about wraps up our show. Thanks so much for joining us. Stay with CNN.
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