Return to Transcripts main page

Fareed Zakaria GPS

Interview with Dmitry Peskov; Russia and Vladimir Putin Discussed; Interview with Trump Advisor Stephen Schwarzman. Aired 10- 11a ET

Aired March 12, 2017 - 10:00   ET


[10:00:08] FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST: This is GPS, the GLOBAL PUBLIC SQUARE. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. I'm Fareed Zakaria.

We'll start with the ever swirling controversies concerning the Trump White House and its ties to Russia. Today we have the other side of the story.

Longtime Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov tells me what Russia did and did not do and how Putin and the Russian people view the American accusations.


DMITRY PESKOV, KREMLIN SPOKESMAN: We do not have and we will not have any intention to interfere in someone's domestic affairs especially in America's domestic affairs.


ZAKARIA: Then the head of President Trump's Economic Advisory Council. Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman. The billionaire businessman will tell me what effect Trump's plans will have on American wallets and the global economy.

But first, here's my take. This week we've watched the perfect illustration of a country fighting the last war. The Trump administration has now devoted weeks of time, energy and political capital to rolling out its temporary travel ban against citizens of six Muslim majority countries who, according to the libertarian Cato Institute, have collectively not committed a single deadly terrorist attack in the United States over the last four decades.

Meanwhile, the White House's response to a devastating barrage of WikiLeaks disclosures that will compromise national security for years was a general prosecute leakers. The WikiLeaks revelations are designed to cripple American intelligence operations from of all kinds against any foe from Russia or China, from ISIS or al Qaeda.

WikiLeaks claims to be devoted to exposing and undermining centralized power everywhere yet it has never revealed anything about the intelligence or domestic policing operations of the Russian or Chinese governments, both highly centralized dictatorships with extensive and advanced cyber intelligence units. In fact WikiLeaks has chosen as its obsessive target the United States

which probably has more Democratic oversight of its intelligence agencies than any other major world power. In 2015, U.S. cyber war chief Mike Rogers warned that we are at a tipping point testifying that the country had no adequate deterrent against cyber attacks.

The digital realm is a complex one and old rules won't easily translate. The analogy that many makers to nuclear weapons. In the early Cold War they say that new category of weaponry led to the doctrine of deterrence, which in turn led to arms control negotiations and other mechanisms to create stable, predictable relations among the world's nuclear powers.

But this won't work in the cyber realm, says Joseph Nye, in a new important essay in the "Journal of International of National Security." First, the goal of nuclear deterrence has been total prevention. Cyber attacks by contrast happen all the time everywhere. The Pentagon already reports getting 10 million attacks a day.

Second, there's the problem of attribution. Nye quotes that Defense official William Lynn who said in 2010, "Whereas a missile comes with a return address, a computer virus generally does not." That's why it's so easy for the Russian government to deny any involvement with the hacking against the Democratic National Committee. Nobody can be sure.

Nye argues that there are several ways to deal with cyber attacks, punishment, defense and taboos. Now punishment involves retaliation. And while it's worth pursuing both sides can play that game and it could easily spiral out of control. The other strategies that merit more consideration in my view are one that the United States should develop a serious set of defenses beyond simply governmental networks that are modeled on public health.

Regulations and information would encourage the private sector to follow simple rules of cyber hygiene. This will go a long way to creating a secure national network.

The final strategy Nye suggests is to develop taboos against certain forms of cyber warfare. He points out that after the use of chemical weapons in World War I, a taboo around their use grew was enacted into international law and is largely held for a century. Similarly in the 1950s, many strategists saw no distinction between tactical nuclear weapons and normal weapons and advocated using them. But gradually countries came to shun any use of nuclear weaponry. A mutual understanding that has also survived for decades.

Nye recognizes that no one is going to stop using cyber tools but he believes that perhaps certain targets could be deemed off limits such as purely civilian equipment.

[10:05:12] Of course, the development of such norms would require multilateral negotiations, international fora, rules and institutions. All of which the Trump administration seems to view as globaloney. But at least the administration is working hard to prevent those Yemeni tourists from entering the United States. For more go to and read my "Washington Post" column

this week, and let's get started.

On Monday night at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific my latest documentary will air right here on CNN. It is called "THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD." In it we examine the rise and reign of none other than Russia's president, Vladimir Putin. His day of fight in parts of Russia and vilified in much of the West, what can we learn about this man who inspire such passion and who has so much power? Tune in to find out. Again that's 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific on CNN.

For the documentary and for GPS earlier this week I had the rare opportunity to interview one of the men who knows Vladimir Putin best. Dmitry Peskov has been at the president's side as his spokesman and top aide for almost two decades. It is an almost unique opportunity to hear a senior Russian official offered the Kremlin side of the controversies that have been roiling the White House the world.

I spoke to Peskov from New York. He was of course in Moscow.


ZAKARIA: Mr. Peskov, I don't know where to begin with all the allegations about Donald Trump and his campaign and the Russian government. So let me ask you very directly, did the Russian government have any collaboration or serious communication back and forth with Donald Trump's campaign during the election campaign last year?

PESKOV: The answer is very simple. No. And the fact that Russia is being demonized in that sense comes very strange to us. And we are really sorry about that because this is -- the whole situation takes us from -- takes us away from the perspective of getting our relationship to a better condition.

Quite unexpectedly we were faced a situation when Russia all of a sudden became, let's say, a nightmare for the United States. And we sincerely cannot understand why American people and American politicians started the process of self-humiliation. You're self- humiliating yourself saying that a country can intervene in your election process.

America, huge country. Country number -- the most powerful country in the world with a -- yes, with a very, very stable political traditions and you say that a country can easily intervene and easily influence your electoral process. This is simply impossible. This is simply impossible and when it comes to Russia I can tell you that we never had, we do not have and we will not have any intention to interfere in someone's domestic affairs especially in America's domestic affairs. We will never let anyone to put his nose in our domestic affairs. But we're quite reciprocal in that attitude when it comes to our country -- into other countries.

ZAKARIA: So what was it that the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak was talking to so many of Donald Trump's associates about? PESKOV: This is his job. He was talking about bilateral relations.

He was talking about what is going on in the United States so we have a better understanding in Moscow. This is what is being performed by every ambassador of Russia abroad. Every ambassador of the United States abroad, including in Moscow. Because the more ambassador talks to people in his country of residence, the better job he does.

ZAKARIA: Did he have similar meetings with Clinton campaign officials? Because I don't know of any.

PESKOV: Well, if you look at some people connected with Hillary Clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind.

[10:10:08] But there were no meetings about election -- electoral process. There was -- in no way it should be percepted as interference in electoral process. There are lots of specialists in politology, people who are working in think tanks, advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary, so if you look at it with intention, to demonize Russia, you would probably see that yes, he was trying to interfere in Hillary's activities. But it would be nonsense because this is not true.

ZAKARIA: But isn't it fair to say that Mr. Putin did not warm to Hillary Clinton and he accused her of meddling in Russia's internal affairs during the 2011-2012 campaign for his own presidency? You know, so it does seem as though he might have had a preference for Mr. Trump given that in his view Hillary Clinton tried to interfere in Russian domestic politics.

PESKOV: You would probably recall that president Putin during election campaign and never answered direct question about his candidate of his support. He kept saying that we will respect the choice of American people and only American people can and should choose their own president.

These were the words of President Putin that he had repeated numerous times during this couple of -- last couple of years. But of course, if you ask him whether he had mentioned the then candidate Donald Trump, I will answer yes, he had. Why? The candidate Hillary Clinton was quite negative about our country and her attitude. And in your program, declaring Russia being nearly the main evil in the world and the main threat for the United States.

And to the contrary, the other candidate, Donald Trump was saying that yes, we disagree with the Russians for -- in lots of issues but we have to talk to them in order to try to find some understanding.

Whom would you like better? The one who says that Russia is evil or the one who says that yes, we disagree, but let's talk to understand and to try to find some points of agreement? But of course, public opinion will likely be the other one. It's quite natural. It's quite natural. But it doesn't mean in no way that Russia has interfered in the electoral process.

ZAKARIA: So what do you make of the fact that every intelligence agency in the United States, as you know, they rarely agree on everything -- on anything and all 16 of them say that they have high confidence that Russia tried to alter the outcome of the elections in the United States?

PESKOV: You know, we don't know what's the reason for these words. We've never seen any evidence. And we've never heard something trustful. What we have seen and open in public part of a report by one of the agencies, special agencies of the United States, and I would humbly say that it's not a paper of a high quality in terms of being really trustful.


ZAKARIA: Next on GPS, from the election of Trump to his presidency. What does President Putin make of President Trump? And when will the two meet face-to-face?

Dmitry Peskov will tell us all when we come back.


[10:18:14] ZAKARIA: And we are back with our exclusive with Dmitry Peskov. He is spokesman, top aide and confidant of Vladimir Putin.


ZAKARIA: What do you and what does Mr. Putin make of the first few weeks of the Trump administration?

PESKOV: Well, unfortunately we do have a proper understanding of perspectives, a future of our bilateral relationship. We certainly would expect our contacts to be more frequent, more in-depth in order to sit and then talk to each other to try to understand because we had quite a significant pause in our bilateral relations.

And for countries like Russia and the United States, it's unpardonable not to be in dialogue especially against this amount of regional and global problems that we have. And instead of trying to unite our efforts in solving those problems, we are losing potential by blaming everything on earth on each other.

ZAKARIA: When President Putin spoke with President Trump, what was his reaction? What did he think of President Trump?

PESKOV: Well, actually it was quite promising. He's very pragmatic, I mean, President Trump. He's not hiding the fact that he disagrees in lots of things with Russia. But he's quite enough -- pragmatic enough to say that we have to talk.

[10:20:06] We have to be in a dialogue. We have to compare our positions in order to find some common ground and having some dead ends in our relationship. He says that there are some issues that we cannot agree upon that we'll never be able to agree upon with you, with the Russians, but at the same time he says that we have to come together and start our dialogue. And unfortunately, we don't have a better understanding on when these dialogue can begin, can start. ZAKARIA: Does the Russian government hope that President Trump will

be willing to consider relaxing or overturning entirely the Western sanctions against Russia that will put in place in the wake of the Ukrainian crisis? President Trump has certainly said some things that suggest he might be willing to weaken the sanctions.

PESKOV: It was never on the agenda until now. And Russia will never initiate putting this issue on the agenda. Those were the words of President Putin. And he said that we're not going to touch this issue. As soon as you are ready and as soon as you are willing because you initiated those sanctions then you will put it on agenda by yourselves but we're not going to be the first.

ZAKARIA: Do you now worry, Mr. Peskov, that in the climate that exists now in the United States, in Washington, 65 percent of Americans want a special prosecutor to look into the issue of Russia's connections with the Trump campaign? In that environment do you worry that it will be very difficult for the Trump administration to have a cooperative relationship with Russia?

PESKOV: Yes, we do worry. We do worry. And you know, public opinion, if you load the public opinion with a huge burden of fake news of this fake blaming of Russia -- on Russia, if you repeat every day numerous times that Russia is guilty of everything, Russia is interfering, Russia is trying to hack everything in our country, and everything that goes wrong in our country is because of Russia. If you repeat it, repeat it, and repeat it, then you will have more than 65 percent.

So we consider it a real danger for the future of our bilateral relationship. And we sincerely want to see this hysteria coming to its logic hand better sooner than later.

ZAKARIA: What do you think it's going to look like when Putin and Trump meet for the first time?

PESKOV: They will talk to each other. They will talk to each other. Let's skip the emotional part. Let's keep protocol part and that matters actually. It's important they just sit in front of each other and start talking. If we don't have an agreement, if we don't have an agreement for early summit, then presumably we can expect that they meet each other on G-20 summit in Hamburg in the beginning of July because this is the first place when they will come across each other.


ZAKARIA: Next on GPS, what kind of a person is Vladimir Putin? What is he like to work for? What motivates him? Dmitry Peskov will tell us.


[10:27:41] ZAKARIA: So just who is Vladimir Putin? Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman and one of his closest advisers talked to me about the man he has known for two decades.


ZAKARIA: Americans are very curious about Vladimir Putin. How would you describe him?

PESKOV: If you ask me what is Mr. Putin, well, he's a president of the Russian Federation. He came to power in a country that was about to collapse to lose its territorial and political integrity. There was a country with a huge foreign debt. A country that couldn't afford paying off their foreign debt and that was in a very tense negotiations with (INAUDIBLE), and other dead holders. And a man who managed in a decade using his management skills, using his personal talents, using positive international and economic environment to make Russia stable again. To make Russia being a country with increasing level of standards of living. We're more prosperous, more united, developing quite fast and playing more and more serious role in global affairs. So this is Mr. Putin.

ZAKARIA: Is that why he's so popular? To what do you attribute the popularity he has in Russia?

PESKOV: He's different from lots of statesmen and politicians that we see in the world and that we see in Russia. First of all, he's not a populist oriented politician. So he does what he says and he never says more than what he will be able to do in the future. That's why people trust him. Plus, if you imagine a politician, every and each of them would promise a lot. Would promise a lot for coming generations. Would promise that coming generations and generations after coming generations will feel better in their life and would feel better standards of living.

But what he did -- I mean, what Mr. Putin did in this country -- he made life better not for coming generations but for the present generation. And when one -- cannot ignore that.

That's why his level of support after 17 years in power is unique. And I think it's -- it's a little bit more than 80 percent or even 85 percent. It's unimaginable in global politics.

ZAKARIA: Dmitry Peskov, pleasure to have you on, sir.

PESKOV: Thank you very much.

ZAKARIA: Don't forget, Monday night at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific, right here on CNN, you can catch the premiere of "The Most Powerful Man in the World," my new documentary. It is on the rise and reign of Vladimir Putin. Don't miss it.

Next on "GPS," the billionaire businessman who has President Trump's ear on economic matters, the founder of Blackstone, Stephen Schwarzman, the head of the president's Strategic and Policy Forum, when we come back.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: Thank you, everybody, for being here this morning. This is a really world-class group. And I want to thank and congratulate Steve. You have done, as usual, an amazing job.


ZAKARIA: That was President Trump at the top of the first meeting of his Strategy and Policy Forum. It is a very impressive collection of American business leaders who will come together to give the businessman-turned-president advice on how to bring back jobs, grow the economy and, well, make America great again.

The "Steve" that Trump said was doing an amazing job is my next guest. Stephen Schwarzman is the chair of that White House advisory council, and his day job is chair of Blackstone, the world's largest private equity firm, which he co-founded.



ZAKARIA: Why did Trump pick you for this job? You're a very prominent New York financier. Have you known Trump for years? Have you worked with him ever?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, I've known Donald a long time. And I've always had a pretty direct, candid relationship with him. And he called me after he was elected and asked me if I wanted to do something officially in the government, and I said no; I'm very happy with my day job. And he said, "I thought that's what you would tell me, and I'd appreciate if you would give me advice on a longer-term basis, and if you could form a group of really remarkable people who could get together every month or two with me, tell me what's going on in the world, give me advice on things and just be straight shooters, that would be an enormous contribution. You pick 'em. Check them with me. I'll tell you if I like them. Ask them, and then let's get to work."

So that's where it came from.

ZAKARIA: You said "be a straight shooter." So the question I would have for you, which a lot of people wonder about, is, have you been able to pick up the phone, talk to President Trump and tell him things that you disagreed with? And what was his reaction when you'd do that?

SCHWARZMAN: He's better face-to-face, actually. But I'm not going to tell you what I said.

ZAKARIA: But has he -- have you told him things that he -- that -- you know, have you been able to say to him, "You're doing this; I disagree with it"?

You don't have to tell me the specifics. People are trying to understand, is he a guy who is able to take criticism, to hear that kind of... SCHWARZMAN: Yeah, well, he's somebody who basically likes to know

what you think is the right thing to do. You know, he was a real estate person. That was his basic job. And so there are a lot of things outside of that sphere which are new and different. And to the extent someone else that he trusts has a view on things that are unfamiliar to him, he's very open to learn. And if he has some instincts that are countered by reality, he'll let his, you know, previous perceptions of things go and move to what he sees or what somebody tells him.

So I find him pretty easy to deal with, actually.

ZAKARIA: When you look at the markets, it seems to me there have, broadly speaking, been a big bull run since -- since the president was elected. They look at a lot of things that he has said as very pro- business, corporate tax cuts, tax reform, deregulation, the big infrastructure push.

But he's also said other things such as, you know, trade wars, tariffs on China, tariffs on Mexico, labeling China a currency manipulator.

Do you think that the markets are guessing that all the good stuff, from their point of view, will happen and all the bad stuff won't?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, no one knows for sure. But the good stuff is really good. And it's important that those type of things be achieved not for the benefit of just the business community but for the benefit of the people in the United States who haven't had a great run. About 60 percent of them since the year 2000 have not had an increase in their disposable income. And they're frustrated, and they should be.

In terms of the things with a negative spin, or the trade things, I think he looks at life and says, "We should have more or less equivalency in trade. If we're out-competed, that's fine, no problem with that. But barriers that stop our companies from bringing in, you know, their goods, or doing it at the same price, from a tariff perspective, or other non-tariff barriers, that's unfair. And we ought to just, like, be equal. So that -- that's where it comes from.

ZAKARIA: You expect that you will see a very significant change in the real GDP, which, as you know, has not grown really much more than 1 percent, 1.5 percent over the last eight years?

SCHWARZMAN: Yeah, absolutely.

ZAKARIA: What do you predict, in terms of GDP growth?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, it's hard to know. It should end up in the threes, which would be pretty much a doubling of what we've done. There's enormous inhibition to growth built into the United States from the perspective of regulatory overload, you might call it.

And that doesn't mean you get rid of all good things that are necessary. But there's a lot of stuff that is not really helpful, that's retarded lending in certain sectors. And infrastructure is another one. For example, Fareed, you remember, in the -- the stimulus program,

there was $175 billion allocated to build infrastructure. Well, hardly anything ever got built. And it was because the laws basically almost contradict each other. The policies that exist contradict each other, and so do regulations.

So, for example, to do big projects in the United States could take 10 to 20 -- 10 to 15 years to get approved. In Germany, to do big projects, it's two years. In Canada, it's two years. So our system, just because of the way things get enacted over time, has made it so difficult that, in the stimulus plan, nobody knows what was built. But the numbers I've been told is roughly $30 billion got built, but there was $175 billion available. So we have to change that.

ZAKARIA: Stay with me, Steve. Up next, I'm going to ask Stephen Schwarzman about another country he knows better than most, China. I will ask him if there is a danger that the United States and China will be in a trade war or worse, when we come back.


ZAKARIA: And we are back with Stephen Schwarzman, the CEO, founder of Blackstone, the world's largest private equity company, and now one of the top advisors to Donald Trump.

So let me ask you, what does happen if you end up with some protectionist measures?

What happens if you start deporting many of the undocumented workers who work in construction and agriculture?

Won't that have a depressing effect in a very similar way?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, let's talk about the trade stuff first. I think, with trade, everybody in the world now is on notice, in an odd delivery system, but nonetheless on notice, that the U.S. really wants equivalence. And I think the president would call that fair trade.

And -- and so there are countries that have actually shown up and said, "I want to negotiate a different deal with you." And there's a list of countries who -- who are having discussions with us. And there will be changes as a result of that. And if those are handled well, you know, that will be successful. If it's handled poorly -- and you mentioned in your opener, there, after the advertisements, a potential trade war.

So everyone involved with discussions -- and China is the biggest one; it's a trade deficit of around $360 billion, $370 billion, soon to be $400 billion. That doesn't mean much to anybody who's probably watching, but it's half of the total U.S. trade deficit.

ZAKARIA: But you have a particular relationship with China that's very deep. You founded Schwarzman College, which is a kind of Rhodes Scholar program...

SCHWARZMAN: Yes. ZAKARIA: ... for people to go to China.

Surely you're worried -- I mean, here is a president who has said he's going to label China a currency manipulator. In fact, he promised he was going to do it the first week -- I guess that didn't happen -- that he was going to slap a 45 percent tariff on China.

When you talk to the Chinese, aren't they worried that this will lead to a trade war?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, I think they have a certain equanimity that these are early days. And there's a learning curve, as President Xi referred to himself and said, "After three years of doing my job, I know much, much more than I did my first day." And he said "That's the nature of being president of any country." He said, "If you've never had that job, you have no idea what being the head of state is in a major country."

And the Chinese are waiting to see what the U.S. positions are. And as they said, they are very patient and they'll be there. And they said they've -- they've worked with many U.S. presidents, and U.S. presidents have worked with many presidents of -- of China. And they want a long-term relationship with the United States. And we'll see how things go with the discussions.

But it's very measured and not quite as hyperbolic as things are on our side. But I don't think that there's going to be issues regarding China as a currency manipulator and some of the other things that...

ZAKARIA: You think some of that will be dialed back?

SCHWARZMAN: I think so, yeah.

ZAKARIA: Do you think, when you look at something like immigration, for example, will there similarly be a dialing back?

Because, again, if you're going to start deporting the numbers that Trump talked about during the campaign, it will have a big impact on construction, on agriculture, where they use a lot of immigrant labor.

SCHWARZMAN: Fareed, that one's not just over my pay grade but outside of my pay grade. So I don't really...

ZAKARIA: I didn't know there was anything over your pay grade...


SCHWARZMAN: Well, I'm declaring this as one.

ZAKARIA: And you -- you see already a big shift in terms of the way this administration is viewed by the business community? And you think that that will translate directly into economic growth?

SCHWARZMAN: Yeah, the question is how long will that take, how many things have to be enacted for that to happen? But I have no doubt, actually, which is unusual for me, because I'm

usually pretty nuanced, as to whether that will result in significantly higher growth.

ZAKARIA: You're investing on the assumption of greater growth?

SCHWARZMAN: Well, I guess 12 percent, 13 percent in the last few months isn't so bad. In the stock market we're at a record. Consumer confidence in America is at a record since the year 2000. These aren't about Republicans having confidence. It's not about Democrats having confidence. It's about the country having confidence, and the world. The U.S. stock market is a global market. And all of these indicia of confidence ultimately result in changed behavior.

ZAKARIA: Stephen Schwarzman, pleasure to have you on.

Next on "GPS," Donald Trump's approval rating here in the United States is rather low. But there are two foreign countries where he has majority support. Where? Find out when we come back.


ZAKARIA: America, it turns out, is the seventh best country in the world, according to a U.S. News and World Report out this week. The report ranks countries using categories like "perception of quality of life," "openness for business" and "religious freedom." The U.S. slid from fourth place the previous year in part because of the global view of the election.

This brings me to my question of the week. Of the countries surveyed, only two demonstrated majority support for Donald Trump. The first was Russia, of course, and what other nation: Israel, Nigeria, Turkey or China?

Stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer.

And now, the book of the week. President Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, recommended a set of classics on international affairs. They're all excellent, but I thought I would recommend one in particular, Michael Howard's "War in European History," a set of essays by the greatest living military historian that are sweeping, highly intelligent and beautifully written -- a quick, wonderful read.

And now for the last look. Thousands of soldiers in perfect formation, streams of military vehicles, helicopters flying overhead: at first glance, this could be a full-scale military invasion. Actually, it was a massive anti-terror rally held by more than 10,000 armed police in a contentious western Chinese region last week.

This staggering show of force was not the only one like it this year, Reuters reported. These rallies are a response to what the Chinese government calls terror but observers say is ethnic violence between the country's Han Chinese majority and the native minority Uyghurs Muslims. Human rights groups say that the Uyghurs are oppressed. Beijing blames them for fomenting unrest. There have been a few acts of terror in recent years. On the same day as the rally, an ISIS propaganda video surfaced showing fighters purportedly from the Uyghur minority pledging to, quote, "shed blood like rivers," unquote, in attacks against the Chinese.

China's display of military might has been matched with its own hefty rhetoric aimed at the violence within the country. One politician said China should, quote, "bury the corpses of terrorists in the vast sea of the people's war."

The Chinese Communist Party knows a thing or two about guerrilla warfare. Its founder, Mao Zedong, literally wrote the book on it.

The correct answer to the "GPS" challenge question is D, China. According to the U.S. News and World Report survey, 54 percent of Chinese surveyed view Donald Trump favorably, while that number was 83 percent among Russians.

When asked which American candidate they would have voted for, 59 percent of global respondents said Hillary Clinton, while 27 percent would have voted for President Trump.

If you had signed up for our new newsletter, Fareed's Global Briefing, you may have known the answer to this already. So go to and subscribe. It will take you less than a minute. You will receive insights and analysis right in your inbox every day. And don't forget to catch "The Most Powerful Man in the World" Monday at 9:00 p.m. here on CNN.

Thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. I will see you next week.