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Glenn Beck

Does Justice System Deal with Child Molesters Properly?; How Can We Fix the Immigration Problems with Mexico?; New Jersey Town Objects to Spanish Billboard

Aired July 10, 2006 - 19:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: And now, a message from Glenn Beck to the people of France on their World Cup loss.

GLENN BECK, HOST: (laughing)

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BECK: I don`t know. There was something sickly satisfying in the loss of France.

I want to take you back to something that you remember, I`m sure, clearly, vividly. It was March 19, 2005. Body of a little 9-year-old girl, Jessica Lunsford, in Florida was found in a makeshift shallow grave. It was one foot. It was in the backyard of a trailer. She had been raped. She had been starved for three days, suffocated, tied up with speaker wire. As she was buried alive she had in her hands a little stuffed dolphin that was her favorite toy.

She was 150 feet from her own bedroom window, where she had been taken out in the middle of the night just days earlier by this monster.

Now, the guy who originally admitted he was the monster, he stands accused of being the monster. His name is John Couey. He sat today in a Florida courtroom as the jury selection began in his trial.

I`ve got to tell you, I am really not into cruel and unusual punishment, but in cases like this, none of the three strikes and you`re out crap happens. It`s one strike, and the punishment should fit the crime. And I don`t want to hear any of the "Oh, we should listen to his childhood. He needs to be reformed and rehabilitated." Shut up!

You know what, if you`re one of those people, you think that child rapists can be reformed, great, let them live on your fricking block, let them walk with your kids to school. My kid`s not going to be a subject to some social experiment.

Now here`s what I do know about cases like these. Child killers, I don`t think you get a second chance. No, in fact, I know you don`t get a second chance. This isn`t like stealing a Three Musketeers at a Circle K; you`ve raped a child.

Two, I`ve never seen anyone with any credibility actually say that these people can be reformed. You know, you don`t see a lot of convicted child rapists run Fortune 500 companies.

And I definitely know that our judicial system needs to be reformed. Why are these guys walking among us?

Now, when you look at these stories, there`s one thing I can`t figure out, the one thing I don`t know. I don`t know how the judges who have given light sentences to people who harm kids can look into the eyes of their own kids. You know, how do they do it? How do they let their kids go to school without them?

Lisa Bloom, Court TV anchor and attorney.

How do the judges do it, Lisa?

LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Well, it`s tough. Look, I agree with you 100 percent, and this horrible killing -- and by the way, when she was buried in that trash bag and they found her after she died, they found holes in the trash bag that lined up with her first and second fingers. She`d been trying to poke holes to get out, because he buried her alive.

OK. So I don`t know how the judge back in 1991 on his prior sexual abuse case, where he masturbated in front of a 5-year-old girl, gave him only three years, knowing what you and I know, Glenn, which is they`re going to do it over and over again.

BECK: Didn`t he say he couldn`t be reformed at that time? Didn`t -- in 1991 when he was originally convicted with the 5-year-old, didn`t he say, "I need to be in jail"?

BLOOM: Well, I think you`re right, and this time around he said, "I deserve to die," and that`s probably the only thing that John Couey and I agree on, is that he deserves to die. Of course, that confession has been ruled inadmissible by the judge. The jury`s not going to hear that.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you, these -- whoever they were, these investigators. The reason why -- well, you better explain it. You`re the attorney. Tell me -- tell me what happened, why this guy`s not dead already?

BLOOM: Well, I`ll tell you what happened. She was missing for three weeks. The country was going crazy. Her family was desperate to know, of course, where their little 9-year-old daughter was.

The cops felt that they had this guy. They felt that it was probably him because he was a convicted sex offender, he lived across the street from her, and he had fled. But they didn`t have any hard evidence.

They get him into custody. They asked him questions: "Where is Jessica?" They feel after hours of questioning that he`s starting to turn. He does ask for a lawyer. OK. At that point they are supposed to stop asking him questions, but they don`t.

And I think on this, to be fair to the investigators, they thought perhaps she was still alive. They don`t torture the guy. They don`t beat him. They don`t put nails under his fingernails. But they do keep asking the question, "Where is Jessica?" Ultimately, he says, "She`s buried in a grave under the steps of my sister`s trailer" where this guy had been living, across the street from Jessica. The cops make a phone call and the detectives go and they find her body.

Now, all of the confession that came after he said about seven times, "I want to talk to a lawyer," that`s inadmissible under our Constitution, fine. But I don`t fault the prosecutors, the investigators in this case, for continuing to ask the questions, because they thought they might be saving a 9-year-old girl`s life.

BECK: We -- they`re not going to be able to use the quote from him, "She was still alive. I buried her alive, and she suffered."

BLOOM: No, but any are going to be able to use two other quotes that he made to corrections officials when he was behind bars: "I didn`t mean to kill her."

They`re also going to have a substantial amount of Jessica`s blood that was found on the mattress in his room. And I wonder if there`s any forensic evidence in the closet where he says he kept her alive for three days. And he did that, and she was in there. There`s got to be some hair, fiber, blood, something in there.

BECK: He actually claimed that he was good to her, that he treated her well.

BLOOM: That`s sick.

BECK: There was nothing in her stomach. She had been starved for three days. She had been repeatedly raped, then bound and gagged and -- I mean, horrible.

BLOOM: And she has -- I mean, she has vaginal abrasions consistent with being raped. There`s no way that she was treated well. He also said that she was very compliant. She never screamed. She had opportunities to leave. He let her look through the window at the police who were searching for her, and she didn`t try to escape.

I mean, obviously, this is part of his sick fantasy. There`s not a human being on earth that`s going to be tortured like that and not complain.

BECK: Do you know anybody that has ever made a real cogent case for rehabilitation for these guys?

BLOOM: No, I don`t. I used to practice child sexual abuse law. I don`t think it can happen. And until there is a cure, until there`s some real chance of reformation, the only solution is to keep them behind bars. This case led to a change in the law and now he`s got to be locked up for life.

BECK: All right. Lisa, thanks a lot.

Actually, Lisa says the only real solution is to keep them locked behind bars. Actually, if you`re a fan of the radio show, you know that my executive producer, Stu, has his own theory. It`s not really a happy theory, and when he first presented it I went, "Ooh, this isn`t real good." But when you see somebody like Couey, you think I don`t know, maybe we should give it a whirl.

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BECK: Kentucky pledged to send troops to the Mexican border. Minnesota has pledged to send troops. Minnesota? I don`t think Minnesota wanted to send troops to Hurricane Katrina.

Montana pledged to send troops, New Jersey send troops, New Mexico`s pledged to send troops, North Carolina has pledged to send troops. When you`ve got the state legislatures getting together and saying, "We will send troops to the Mexican-American border," you know you`ve got a hot button issue.

Congress, what are they doing about it? Oh, wait, oh, yes, blood shoots from your eyes in just a few minutes. Stand by.

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BECK: Actually -- actually, blood shooting from your eyes right now. Here`s something that just -- I mean, if you care about our security, you care about the border, and you`ll wonder why our government isn`t doing anything about it? Well, let me share something here where nobody is talking about.

Basically, it`s a port being built in Kansas City. "But Glenn, Kansas City`s not on any body of water." Yes, that`s weird, isn`t it? You can find out all of this great information from government web site, SPP.gov. Check it out for yourself. It stands for Security and Prosperity Partnership.

Here`s what this means, I mean, at least in my hypothetical paranoid universe. All right. Stop it. A shipment comes in on a boat from China. It`s then inspected in Mexico. Then the shipment gets loaded onto a truck or a train, goes right into the heart of our country, without ever being looked at by our own border patrol. In fact, the only thing on these trucks will be inspected by is a sticker. Yes, "inspected by" sticker.

So, we`re basically inspecting our trunks -- our trucks the same way Fruit of the Loom inspects underpants. More disturbingly, we`re trusting our safety to another government -- I love this one -- the Mexican federales. You can never bribe them. Everything`s going to be fine.

Dr. Tim Kane, from the Heritage Foundation, please tell me, sir, you got the problem with the superhighway?

DR. TIM KANE, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: It sounds like you are paranoid. You`re so worried about this little thing called sovereignty. If you`d just learn to let go, you`ll be OK.

BECK: Yes, sure. We`ve got the U.N. and now SPP. I think it`s a great thing, seriously.

KANE: Honestly, I`ve looked at the SPP. It seems to me to be one of these intergovernmental agreements.

BECK: Yes.

KANE: I`m not really sure what`s going to come from it. I`m willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. A little bit like I don`t know where NAFTA came from, but I now I actually think it`s a good thing. Economic integration, benefits both countries. I`m a big free trader, but -- but if it goes towards political integration, toward like an E.U. model, then I get nervous.

BECK: Well, see I think that`s honestly -- and you`re a doctor, I only play one on TV -- I think that`s exactly the answer of why our politicians aren`t doing anything. They believe that for us to compete economically in 20 years from now, we`ve got to be an E.U. And I think that`s a nightmare.

KANE: Yes, absolutely. You look at European countries right now, they basically try to protest the past. They`re trying to protect all these jobs that they used to have, and they end up with unemployment rates for their young population of like 25 percent. We don`t want that.

America`s done a great job of creating the new industries all the way back from cars to now Silicon Valley, but we`ve done that, I think, by being open, and right now, you know, France and these other countries, they`re trying to stall trade talks through the Doha round. I think we should look at NAFTA in Canada as potential partners economically and then draw the line there and let`s keep our own separate political boundaries.

BECK: Well, they`re saying that if we -- I mean, basically the plan is from SPP. You`re right, if you read it, it`s very vague. You can say, "Oh, well there`s nothing wrong with this," or you can be a paranoid nut job like me, who -- I`m storing food right now. You could be a paranoid nut job, and you can look at it and say, "Wait a minute, this is not good."

They`re talking about how we can really affect economically Mexico, which I`m all for helping Mexico out, et cetera, et cetera, but how do you balance Mexico? How do you fix Mexico? The way you fix it is stop the corruption in Mexico, and that`s their job, isn`t it?

KANE: It is, absolutely right. We live in a world where it`s easier to compare countries. In fact, the thing that I work on is called the Index of Economic Freedom, and Mexico doesn`t score very well, so it`s 60 out of about 160 countries. Canada is 12, the U.S. is No. 9 this most recent year.

We need to, I think, help Mexico by spotlighting things like you point out: the corruption there, the lack of property rights, the limits on foreign investment. Free trade is not a problem. Bring in goods from China, but what we want to avoid is giving Mexico sovereign authority over our land or over our laws.

BECK: Boy, I`ve got to tell you, bring stuff in from China. That`s totally fine as long as they`re televisions. I`d like to check -- I`d like to check all the electronics that are coming in from China and going across our border before they get to the heartland of America.

Tim, thank you very much.

KANE: You bet.

BECK: MexAmeriCanada already taking shape. I`m telling you I`m not nuts.

Over in New Jersey, the town of Bogota is fired up over an iced coffee ad. The mayor is calling for the removal of a McDonald`s billboard, written in Spanish. It says "un frente helado se aproxima. Nuevo cafe helado."

For those of you who don`t speak Spanish, the English translation, is "A cold front is coming. A new iced coffee."

Mayor Steve Lonegan is here now. Hi, Steve.

STEVE LONEGAN, MAYOR, BOGOTA, NEW JERSEY: Hi, Glenn.

BECK: So you reminded me right before we went on the air, you were actually on my radio show, what about six, eight months, nine months ago?

LONEGAN: December 2004.

BECK: In December `04. I thought it was this last Christmas, because I know you made a big stink about Christmas carols.

LONEGAN: Carols being outlawed by the Maplewood School Board.

BECK: Right. God bless you on that.

Now, you`re going after the billboard. Why?

LONEGAN: Well, Glenn, Bogota is a very ethnically diverse community. I think we`re a real microcosm of the United States. And we have a growing Latino population, but we`ve always had a Latino population.

Unfortunately, McDonalds has come along with a new what I call racial profiling marketing plan, and what I think is a racist maneuver has decided that 21 percent Latino population can`t speak English. Confused with the fact that they thing Bogota is Bogota. And they proceeded to put us this whole Spanish billboard.

Now, well, that creates resentment. It would create animosity, especially in -- with this big debate raging over illegal immigration and people being sensitive to that. A lot of non-Latinos look at this and say why doesn`t the Latino population want to assimilate like we`ve done for the past 100 years?

BECK: Right.

LONEGAN: And that`s the wrong message. It`s a divisive message, because that`s not true about our Latino population. They`re terrific people. I know them.

BECK: Steve, I`m just noticing, and I don`t know if I have to adjust my set at home, but you appear to be white so...

LONEGAN: Well, that`s why I`m being called a racist, a bigot, narrow- minded, because if you speak out on something that bothers people.

BECK: Right.

LONEGAN: And that`s how the left fights back.

BECK: You would have had to have expected that you were going to be called a racist?

LONEGAN: Well, this thing took off. I wasn`t -- yes, I guess I should have expected it. That`s OK. It`s too important an issue. My grandparents came here over 60 years ago, couldn`t speak a word of English, and like many people in town they worked hard to assimilate.

It seems to me the message is that today people don`t want to assimilate. Rather than being a melting pot they want to make us multicultural.

BECK: Thank you for saying that. You know, I remember my grandparents telling me all the time, my parents tell me as well, we`re a melting pot. Nobody wants to melt in anymore. Nobody wants -- nobody wants to find what`s truly American and melt in and become one. We`re all so -- so fascinated by what makes it different. That`s going to be the death of us, don`t you think?

LONEGAN: I do. I think it is very harmful. I`m learning that even more with the name calling that I`ve been subjected to and anybody in town who agrees with me. It`s dividing neighbor against neighbor.

BECK: Quickly.

LONEGAN: McDonald`s should not be doing this.

BECK: Quickly, McDonald`s, their response?

LONEGAN: They don`t care, basically. I`d love for them to divulge their marketing plan and their demographics and how they tried to do this.

BECK: Mayor, I thank you very much.

LONEGAN: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: All right. Joining us now is another mayor. On the phone with us is Mayor McCheese. Hello, Mayor.

CALLER: Yes. Great. He wants to know our advertising plan? How about it`s to make money? We make money in some stupid town in New Jersey.

BECK: But I mean, you are a talking hamburger?

CALLER: Yes I am, but I mean, can`t we choose how to advertise our own products the way we want? If Spanish is illegal, somebody let me know, but should I pull the fajita off the menu?

BECK: Right.

CALLER: Should I pull the breakfast burrito off the menu? I mean, this is our company. We`ll run it the way we want to run it.

BECK: OK. I don`t think he said that you couldn`t run it that way.

By the way, nice glasses there, mayor.

CALLER: Thanks a lot. You know, tell the mayor to worry why he`s got illegal aliens living there rather than worrying about my advertising campaign. Could I get a quick plug in for the McGriddle?

BECK: No.

CALLER: It`s tasty. Mmm.

BECK: Yes, OK, got it. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Bye now.

ANNOUNCER: Later, on GLENN BECK.

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BECK: Every day coast to coast, you can hear my radio program on, like, 250 stations. One of them is in St. Louis, 971 FM-Talk, and a good friend of mine does afternoons, Dave Glover.

You know what I like about Dave, is you`re a normal human being, Dave. You can relate to what I say. What`s it like to live in a city where they`re not thinking about blowing up the tunnels?

DAVE GLOVER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: It`s sweet. It`s sweet.

BECK: Yes.

GLOVER: I`m not going to lie to you.

BECK: Yes, it is nice. Are you following this at all in the heartland of America?

GLOVER: Following it, but, again, like you, I`m always drawn to the bizarre aspect.

BECK: Yes.

GLOVER: And so the fact that this guy was leading the life of a playboy, that`s all I can see.

BECK: Yes. Do we happen to have the picture of the guy who was caught? There he is. Look at him. He`s on a boat. They have pictures of him, you know, hanging out in the club. He`s clubbing at night. And what he actually said was that he was told by a superior, one of, you know, Osama bin Laden`s people, to live the life of a playboy.

GLOVER: It`s a sweet gig, man.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you. I mean, Jerry Falwell, shut the pie hole, man. What are you thinking? Just tell people for Jesus, you need to sleep around.

GLOVER: Well, I love it, too. I love that he said, "I needed to seem the farther thing away from a fundamental, you know, Islamist."

BECK: Right. Right.

GLOVER: So now we have to start profiling, like, Muslim honey baked ham stores and things like this, you know. It`s as far away, you know, a rabbi eating pork rinds.

BECK: Sure, I`ve got it. I got it.

Also this weekend I don`t know if you followed the bull run in Spain.

GLOVER: I loved the bull run. Here`s what I love about it. It goes to show you that the longer you do something really stupid, it can become a grand tradition.

It`s like the first time they ran the bulls, I`m sure they`re like "Look at the idiots." So I`m going to have the first annual rectal examination of a grizzly.

BECK: Right. Right.

GLOVER: And in 500 years from now there are going to be a bunch of idiots with scarves and rubber gloves, going, "Yes, it`s Grizzly Day."

BECK: And they`ll say we can`t stop giving the rectal exam to grizzlies. It`s a tradition. It`s a 500-year tradition.

Here`s what I like. The PETA people got naked, and I would like to publicly plead with PETA to please get hotter women.

GLOVER: You know what I love, too. I swear this is true. I knew we were going to talk about this. I went and I looked up the web site for the running of the bulls, and they have safety tips. I swear this is true.

First one. Avoid the bulls.

BECK: Right.

GLOVER: Which I found interestingly -- interestingly, the first line in the pamphlet for Rosie O`Donnell`s cruise. So both ways.

BECK: Right. OK. I don`t really think that that`s necessary. There was a guy that was -- that was gored this weekend at the annual taunting of the bulls.

GLOVER: You know what? It`s not even -- it`s worse than that. They were cows. Swear to you. This is true. The guy who was paralyzed, it was like a precursor warm up, you know, just like the sharp version of the running. They let these cows go.

BECK: Right. OK. Real quick, I just have to ask you, were you as happy and as satisfied -- I could care less about the World Cup.

GLOVER: Yes.

BECK: Good, gosh, man, we have Super Bowl Sunday. They`ve got, like, 1,400 weeks of this stupid World Cup thing. But were you strangely satisfied that France lost?

GLOVER: Oh, my lord. I would watch any competition where France was going to lose.

BECK: Me, too. Well, that would be every competition.

GLOVER: Absolutely.

BECK: Honestly, I heard the problem was that we didn`t get in, you know, at the very end and save them. I think that`s what they were expecting.

Dave, we`ll talk to you later.

GLOVER: All right, buddy. Thank you.

BECK: Bye-bye.

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BECK: All right. Welcome back to the show, where we`re counting down the minutes to World War III.

Let`s see: Japan is now thinking about launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea`s missile bases, which puts us up about another minute.

U.N. Security Council supposed to vote on sanctions today. Oh, no, but China and Russia? They threatened to veto, so that didn`t happen, although China says they might support a softer resolution. And we all know how effective U.N. resolutions are. Uh-huh.

Then, over the weekend word got out that the U.S. might actually consider bilateral talks, you know, between us and North Korea. That`s great, as long as they`re within the framework of six-party talks. Kim Jong Il will scrap his nuclear program, and we can sit down and have a cup of Joe. That`s right: the nut job who lied on every agreement he`s ever made, we`re going to sit down one-on-one.

Oh, and then today, the Chinese delegation arrived in Seoul to celebrate 45 years of a friendship treaty between the North and China. This is great. Hang on just a second: Wasn`t it China that warned North Korea not to fire any missiles? How`d that work out, China? Shouldn`t you be the one stepping up to the plate here?

Listen to this from James Woolsey. He`s a guy who, you know, kind of knows a lot about this kind of stuff. He used to head up the CIA.

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JAMES WOOLSEY, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: I mean, I don`t know what it takes for China to stand up as a sovereign nation. But the way China is going, it`s going to produce four new nuclear powers in East Asia: North Korea; South Korea will follow at some point; Japan will follow maybe sooner than that; and Taiwan might follow at some point.

Why China thinks its situation in the world is safer with four new nuclear powers in East Asia rather than none is beyond me. I don`t know what`s going through the minds of Chinese leaders.

ANNOUNCER: And now something to take your mind off what he just said.

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BECK: Look at the puppies. Hello, Mr. Puppy. What a cute, squishy nose. You cute, yes.

OK.

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ANNOUNCER: This has been something to take your mind off what he just said.

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BECK: All right, now, here`s the deal. I said to you last week I don`t have the answers on this. I really -- I don`t. I`m not a talk show host that`s pretending that I do.

I do believe in talking, but talking with reasonable people. These guys have already proven themselves to be completely untrustworthy.

However, then I`m stuck with, "Well, I don`t really want to go in and bomb them right now, either." So what I thought I`d do is I would set out -- you and I could be on a quest together. Somebody`s got to have an answer out there.

And I`ve got two guests; maybe one of them can convince us what we should be doing. The first one is Andrew Grotto. He`s the national security analyst at the Center for American Progress which, honestly, Andrew, a Center for American Progress, it would make blood shoot out of my eyes, wouldn`t it?

Are you there, Andrew?

ANDREW GROTTO, EXPERT ON NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION: I am, taking it all in.

BECK: You`re not going to respond to that, are you? You know why? Because you would make blood shoot out of my eyes. Why should we negotiate one-on-one with a guy who we know is a nut job and a liar?

GROTTO: Well, I think because, in this -- Kim Jong Il is not crazy. He may be cunning. He may be...

BECK: Well, wait a minute. That`s new. I hadn`t heard that he wasn`t crazy. That`s a new development.

GROTTO: Well, being crazy is different from being cunning and calculating. I think Kim Jong Il knows what he`s doing. Now, we have a fundamental disagreement with his goals, obviously...

BECK: Right.

GROTTO: ... but I think this is someone who, at the end of the day, knows where his interests lie, and I think we need to tailor our strategies to affect his interests.

BECK: Wait a minute. How do you know when talking to him hasn`t worked? Because we`ve been talking to him, and it hasn`t worked, seemingly. But everybody else, you know -- they all want to say, "Well, we should talk to him some more."

GROTTO: Well, I think that the situation now is very different than it was several years ago. As you know, North Korea launched some missile tests last week.

Those tests were enormously provocative, and it had the impact, the effect of actually of galvanizing East Asia against North Korea. Remember, as you mentioned in your introduction, this was a thumb in the eye of China. China asked North Korea not to test. North Korea went ahead and did it anyways.

BECK: Yes, but China doesn`t want to do anything, because they don`t want a bunch of refugees coming across the border. I mean, that`s why -- they`re not going to do anything about it. I don`t know why they would, you know, rather not have refugees as opposed to nuclear weapons, but that`s really what`s going on, isn`t it?

GROTTO: Well, China I think is -- they have very complex interests. You`re right to note that China certainly does not have an interest in refugees streaming across, you know, the North Korean border into China. But that would only happen in the event of a war. What we need to do is get China put to tighten the thumbscrews a bit on the North Korean regime. China and North Korea have...

BECK: Yes, but who`s going to put the thumbscrews to them? The only country that`s going to stand up to anybody is us. And when you stand up, what is -- look, let me ask you this. Are you married?

GROTTO: No.

BECK: OK. Are you planning on having married, having children?

GROTTO: Yes.

BECK: OK, a war game -- I hate to use that phraseology here -- but war game this with me. You`ve got a teenager. Your teenager takes the car out. And he gets behind the wheel of the car, starts it up, takes it. You find out they`re drinking and driving. They lie to you, and say, "Oh, no, I`m not doing it."

And you decide, "Well, I`m going to continue to give you the keys to the car, and I`m going to let your sister, who also is drinking and driving, watch you."

Why would you do that? That seems to me what we`re doing. We keep going to the U.N. We keep going to these partners who we also don`t trust and say, "Well, why don`t you guys go inspect? Why don`t you guys sit down and talk to us, too?" Why should we trust China?

GROTTO: Well, the reasons this time are that, if you noticed today, this morning, the chief cabinet secretary in Japan, Shinzo Abe, who is next in line to be prime minister in Japan, suggested that Japan might revise its constitution to allow pre-emptive military strikes.

Now, this is psychological, of course. I don`t think Japan would consider doing this now. But it sends a very strong signal to China that: Look, China, if you don`t get your act together in North Korea, guess what? We, Japan, we`re going to remilitarize. And that is -- and China does not want that. They want that less than they want a volatile Korean peninsula.

BECK: OK, so real quick, because I keep hearing people saying we should talk. This is the answer that I want: How do we know, I mean, besides the flash going off, how do we know enough talk?

GROTTO: Hmm. I think we have to -- we have to actually give talk a chance to succeed. Last September, the United States and North Korea actually achieved a real breakthrough on this issue. The North Koreans agreed in principle to dismantling their nuclear program. The United States agreed in principle to...

BECK: Yes, but they`re also -- you know, they`re launching missiles. Andrew, I`ve got to go to the next guest, but I appreciate it. We`ll have you back.

GROTTO: Any time.

BECK: Thank you very much.

GROTTO: Thanks, Glenn. Appreciate it.

BECK: So now let me go to another guy, because he also believes in talk, as I do, too. I mean, I really do. We should talk to each other. But when is enough talk? And then what`s the next step if talk doesn`t work?

Philip Coyle, he spent 20 years running weapons testing for the Defense Department.

Let me start with you on, before I hear, you know, what other ideas we have besides talk, how do you know when talk is enough? When do you say -- when is somebody going to say, "OK, we`ve talked enough"?

PHILIP COYLE, CENTER FOR DEFENSE INFORMATION: Well, a real good example was, in 1999, former Secretary of Defense William Perry, as an ambassador, met with North Korea to try to talk them out of developing long-range missiles, the kind that could reach the United States. And he was successful, and North Korea agreed to the moratorium that they`ve now broken.

BECK: They were building weapons while they were saying that they agreed to this.

COYLE: Well...

BECK: I mean, that`s the little, you know, puzzling part for me. Everybody says, "Oh, they worked last time." They were building nuclear weapons while they were saying, "No, what? We`re not doing anything over here. What? Don`t look in this room."

COYLE: But their point of view is that we broke the agreement that Dr. Perry negotiated, because we started threatening them again. Part of the deal was that we would stop threatening them.

BECK: OK. So you`ve convinced me now -- I mean, I know that you`ve first you`ve got to talk. But if talks break down, can we actually go in and win a war with these guys, I mean, in today`s landscape?

COYLE: It would be pretty tough. People who remember the Korean War, that was not an easy war. North Korea has got a million soldiers in arms. We`ve got about 30,000 U.S. soldiers in South Korea, and, of course, South Korea has a substantial army, also. But it would be a miserable place to fight.

BECK: What does the world look like in five years?

COYLE: Well, it depends which way North Korea goes. If they keep building missiles that can threaten other countries -- they already have missiles that do work that will reach South Korea or Japan -- and if they keep developing missiles that can reach the United States, it could really raise tensions. And we might feel that we would have to act militarily.

BECK: I only have a couple of seconds. What is the straw that breaks the camel`s back? What is it that a reasonable human being should look for and say, "OK, now we`ve got to move"?

COYLE: I think it`s after they`ve developed a missile which really works, and they`ve got one on the launch pad pointed at us.

BECK: OK, Philip, thank you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (speaking French)

BECK: Yes, bonjour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oui?

BECK: Do you speak English?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, a bit.

BECK: Hey, a bit. Well, I don`t speak any French, but...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

BECK: The World Cup, I just wanted to tell you we watched that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

BECK: And it was pretty tragic, wasn`t it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven`t seen it.

BECK: Oh, you didn`t watch? You`re not a World Cup fan?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t have any TV.

BECK: Hey, let me ask you this: Is it true that you guys only lost because you thought that, about halfway through, the U.S. would come and bail you guys out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really don`t know, because I don`t follow any...

BECK: Oh, you should ask somebody, because I`ve heard that. I didn`t know.

But I want you to know that, you know, we might have our differences, you know, here and there, but, when I saw you guys lose in the World Cup, I only had one feeling...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes?

BECK: ... and that was...

(LAUGHTER)

... total joy!

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BECK: All right. If you`ve ever served -- wasn`t it satisfying, though, really, America? If you`ve ever served in the military, there are three letters that will instantly remind you of home: It`s USO.

In World War II, Korea, Vietnam, it meant counseling, and care packages, and Bob Hope. Sixty five years later, you can now add airport care centers -- you`ve probably seen them if you`re in the airport -- Internet access, phone cards, and a whole new generation of entertainers.

One guy who`s carrying on the tradition of bringing punch lines to the frontlines is comedian Jeffrey Ross, yes, in Iraq.

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JEFFREY ROSS, "PATRIOT ACT": When I was in college, I spent a semester in Iraq. And I met a girl here in Iraq. And we fell in love. And this is a poem I wrote for her.

(INAUDIBLE) was her name. But everybody called her (INAUDIBLE)

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BECK: I don`t know what`s up with that, man. Jeffrey documented his entire USO trip in a new DVD called "Patriot Act." He joins me now from Los Angeles.

Jeffrey, what is up with the whole (INAUDIBLE) thing? I mean, it`s a little disturbing.

ROSS: It`s catchy. It`s catchy.

BECK: Yes, well, OK. You actually shot this whole thing on a camcorder, right? I mean, was this -- did you intend on making this into a special or did this kind of just unfold?

ROSS: It was sort of a happy accident, Glenn. The night before I left, I bought a $600 Handycam, went to see my pal, Larry Gelbart, who created the show "MASH" and had written for Bob Hope, and I asked him for advice on military audiences. I didn`t know what I was getting into. It was a secret itinerary that the USO had set up. And once I got there, I realized I was seeing things that most civilians could never imagine, so I kept shooting.

BECK: Let`s go two ways here. I want to talk about some of the things that you couldn`t imagine that you saw in a second, but I want to ask you what you saw in the troops. I would imagine they were extraordinarily grateful.

ROSS: The best audiences I ever performed for, honestly. I was tired. I had something called Saddam`s Revenge. I wasn`t going at full cylinders, but the military audiences were so awesome that it didn`t matter. Even though I was exhausted, they were so energetic and happy to have a little taste of home. They`re really -- it was love at first sight for me.

BECK: Is there anything that -- let me think how I can rephrase this, because I don`t want to know if you`re for the war or against the war. I like you. I think you`re funny. I don`t want to wreck that.

But was there anything in your act that you had to edit because you were asked to edit or you just thought, "Well, this is a bad idea"?

ROSS: One of the things about the USO that`s great is that they don`t care. I do a joke in the movie. I say, "I have sort of mixed feelings about the war. I support the war, but I`m against the troops."

(LAUGHTER)

My whole sort of agenda was to flip the whole thing upside down. It doesn`t matter. You know, I tell my friends, you know, you don`t always have to love the quarterback to root for the team. This isn`t about the government. This is about the military, and these people need a laugh more than anybody else in the world.

BECK: They`re amazing...

ROSS: And I felt like it was the little bit I could do.

BECK: Yes, good for you. They`re absolutely amazing people. I`ve got to tell you, the troops really have restored my hope in the future and the coming generations.

I mean, not that -- I feel like I`m 800 years old. "In my day, we walked on broken glass." But these guys are really truly phenomenal. They`re just not what I expected from...

ROSS: They`re much smarter than people give them credit for. The military is diverse.

BECK: Oh, these guys, they`re amazing.

ROSS: You could walk down any street in New York or any street in -- wherever you`re watching from right now and just switch the clothes up, and they look just like regular folks. The military is engineers, and scientists, and accountants, and just regular people. And people don`t realize that, and we have to.

BECK: I want to play something that you shot on the camera that might be something that other people have not seen. Go ahead and role this, please.

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ROSS: These helmets were taken off dead Iranians. Now they`re speed bumps. Saddam had these giant fists modeled after his own hands.

This is crazy, man. This is right where the troops were, where Saddam`s troops marched. It`s where I`m marching right now, biatch.

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BECK: It`s a different culture, man. It`s a different world, isn`t it? But you can still say biatch and feel good about it.

(LAUGHTER)

ROSS: I think my patriotism was heightened when I got over there. I was cocky.

BECK: You are -- actually, you`re known as the guy really bringing the roast back. I mean, you know, you`ve done some incredible, incredible roasts over the last few years that I know I have seen you at. And, you know, I`m -- you know, I`m available at any time to...

ROSS: To roast you?

BECK: No, no, no -- there`s nothing really on me.

ROSS: Oh, no, not much. Please. First of all, I would never roast you because I only roast celebrities.

BECK: OK, that`s -- I mean, see what I mean? This is not -- I mean, if you`re going to go for a joke, you`ve got to go for the strange two-tone hair that looks like I`m wearing William Shatner`s wig.

ROSS: Your hair?

BECK: Yes, don`t you think it looks like William Shatner`s wig?

ROSS: I don`t know what that thing is on your head, Glenn, but it winked at me.

BECK: Yes, all right...

ROSS: Let me tell you something: How far did CNN have to look around to find a host that made Larry King look handsome?

BECK: A long, long, long time.

Jeffrey, the DVD is out, "Patriot Act." It hits stores tomorrow. It`s also on which network?

ROSS: It was on Showtime all month...

BECK: Showtime.

ROSS: ... and now it`s available on Amazon.

BECK: Great. Jeffrey Ross, thank you. See you again.

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BECK: The World Cup hate mail was -- I mean, it was world class. I got this in from Enrique.

He says, "Hey, Glenn, I`ve heard you ripping soccer since the World Cup started. Well, millions of people were watching it around the world, and you were the one in the minority. How`s it feel, white man?"

You`ve got to bring my race into it? I`m sure that`s true, Enrique. The world does care about the World Cup. And, you know, it is just America who doesn`t. But soccer is just one of three sports from this weekend vying for the title of "most likely to be ignored."

And I think the real problem is they just need to be more American- friendly. For instance, did you know the Tour de France was going on. No, no, it is. But who`s going to watch this? I mean, you`ve got to solve a couple of major problems.

First of all, I mean, there`s just too much bike-riding. I mean, mix in a hang glider or maybe a Jet Ski or something.

And then there`s always riding on the street. How about some jumps? Dodge some gunfire. Think Tour de Lebanon. I`m just saying.

And Lance Armstrong is gone now. I mean, France could win. I mean, first of all, find somebody who could beat France and somebody else with a rubber bracelet to cure a disease. I mean, Americans will only watch cycling if we`re guaranteed to cure cancer, period. That` it.

Then you had the Wimbledon finals. I mean, first of all, you need more American-sounding names. Americans like to have stars with names like Michael and Tiger. But Mauresmo? It`s like something you find in a spice rack. Come on. "Honey, I think we need more Maurenzo (sic)." Please.

Next, fit my schedule. I don`t care if it`s on at 4:00 a.m. in the Philippines. Get it into frickin` primetime, will you?

And finally, tennis, you need more of her. I mean, she needs to be in every single match. It doesn`t matter if she plays. Just get her in the frickin` building, will you?

And then there`s the World Cup final. Look at these highlights. I mean, nothing ever happens in this stupid sport. That`s step number one: Got to have somebody score a goal on occasion.

Two, avoid the trampling of fans in the stands. You know, I`m just saying, I like to be able to go see a game without needing rebel fighters to protect me.

And, three, we like our violence, but on the field. And if you`re going to do it, let`s do it right. This is the worst attempt at violence I have ever seen. Head-butting somebody in the chest? Who does that? I mean, no wonder France never wins a war.

But I guess we`ll just argue about it again in four years. Thanks for the e-mail, you sick freak. We`ll see you tomorrow.

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