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Is Foley Truly Contrite?; What`s Leading to School Shootings?; How Can We Win Iraq War?

Aired October 02, 2006 - 19:00   ET


GLENN BECK, HOST: Tonight a revealing look at an out of control congressman. And our schools are under siege again today. Also a TV host that won`t be winning the Cy Young Award any time soon. It`s all coming up, next.

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BECK: That was so embarrassing.

All right. Let me start here with a message directly to Washington. Let me speak directly to the politicians in Washington, D.C. You may not know this, but the rest of America doesn`t think everything is about politics.

Here`s tonight`s point. Average Americans really don`t care about what`s good for the Democrats or the Republicans. They care about what is good for America. We all know that you are so unbelievably out of touch inside the beltway, but can you really be so removed from real life that you can only look at issues through the prism of reelection?

Here`s where my frustration comes from. Over the weekend I was in Los Angeles, and I really don`t want to talk about that any more. But I was in Los Angeles, and I picked up Saturday`s "L.A. Times". And I`m sitting there reading it, and there`s a huge story on Congressman Mark Foley.

The first few lines laid out the basic, horrifying details of the story, and then the remaining quarter page went on to analyze what this means for the Democrats and Republicans as the election season heats up. Are you forgetting that Mark Foley can be a sexual predator with a taste for teens?

I know I was reading the paper in L.A., so most of it`s filled with movie listings and casting calls, but, still, everywhere I look, there is far more emphasis on what the Foley effect will be on party politics than what it means that we have a pervert in the halls of Congress.

The Democrats started immediately mobilized, making the best of this situation for their election pursuits. Then, the Republicans today responded with Tony Snow, the white house press secretary, this guy actually had the audacity to initially state that too much was being made of these naughty e-mails. Naughty, Tony? Did you read the e-mails? This is a 54-year-old man preying on a 16-year-old boy!

Now maybe it`s just that I`m a parent four times over, but I find this a whole lot worse than just naughty, Tony.

You know, Congressman Foley, you, away from the kids. You`re a dangerous, sick, amoral and, yes, naughty freak.

Tonight, here is what I know. The following quote from Mark Foley is bull crap. He said, quote "I strongly believe that I`m an alcoholic, and I`ve accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems." You strongly believe?

Let me tell you something, if you`re an alcoholic, you know you`re an alcoholic. I`m an alcoholic. I knew it before I admitted it. Good for you, now, getting help, if you need it. But you know what? Shut up and stop using confirmed alcoholics like me. You`re giving us winos a bad name.

I also know that sometimes alcoholism is a symptom of something bigger. Look at Mel Gibson with his anti-Semitism, Mark Foley with his boy love and our good old friend George Michael, who, just this morning, took a nap at a stoplight because he was full of weed and whiskey.

When we have bad feelings inside of us, things that we don`t want to confront, sometimes some people look for something that either makes -- makes us forget about it or allows us to express the darker side. Some will choose the bottle.

What I don`t know is when are we going to stop letting these freaks of nature use alcoholism as the ultimate "get out of jail free" card. Alcohol does not make you a monster. I truly believe it unleashes the monster you already are.

I also don`t know what happened to owning up to your mistakes and taking the consequences like a man: I`m sorry; I screwed up; I`ll never do it again. It may sound antiquated, but there`s a lot to be said for the unqualified apology.

Joining me now is a man who has heard them all, Richard Shenkman. He`s the author and presidential historian from George Mason University.

Richard, is there anything original in Mark Foley`s act of contrition?

RICK SHENKMAN, AUTHOR AND PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: No, he`s following the script that politicians have used, really, for the last 30 or 40 years. And I don`t think in his case it will lead to redemption, because this isn`t one of the usual kind of offenses, unlike Patrick Kennedy plowing into a concrete barrier at the Capitol a few months ago.

This is much more serious. He clearly doesn`t have a future in politics. He`s through. The question really now is whether or not he`s going to be prosecuted.

BECK: You know, you say that about Kennedy. I was just as offended - - I mean, the crime is much more serious here. But I was just as offended. I mean, I can`t believe I`m saying this. As an alcoholic, can you stop giving alcoholics a bad name here? You know, just to be using this. Did it start with Betty Ford?

SHENKMAN: Exactly. This is really the turning point of American political history with these kinds of, let`s blame it on alcohol.

You know, for 150 years the press didn`t go there. The American public didn`t want to talk about it. You could have had politicians who were wife beaters; they were alcoholics. Nobody talked about it; it was hushed up.

Betty Ford talks about her own dependence on prescription drugs, on alcohol, seeing a psychiatrist in 1973. This is when Gerry Ford has been appointed vice president by President Nixon and 359 FBI agents fan out across the country to find out all the dirt that they can on Gerry Ford and bring this information to the Congress before the hearings.

And at this point, Betty Ford knows that she`s got this past, and she faces a question: is she going to tell all or is she going to try to hush it up the way it`s been hushed up in the past?

She decides she really doesn`t have a choice. She talks openly about it with interviews with the media, and the American people embrace it. Why? Because after Watergate and secrecy, all of a sudden they said, wow, this is refreshing, honesty.

From that point on, politicians learned that they needed to be honest about the political past. Reporters were going to ask questions about it.

BECK: But wait a minute.

SHENKMAN: And then they start saying when they get caught, "Aha, I`ve got an alcohol problem. I`ve got to go to a treatment center." And they`re looking for redemption.

BECK: See, that is -- that`s the problem, though. With Betty Ford, it was about -- the secret was she was an alcoholic. Now, you have people -- what was the guy`s name? He was in Congress, and he actually blamed his homosexuality on...

SHENKMAN: Bob Bowman (ph), who was a Maryland representative. He blamed his homosexuality on it. So did, a year later, a guy by the name of Jim Henson (sic), who also was claiming that alcohol had made him into a homosexual. John Henson, John Henson.

BECK: Now, this didn`t work at all. It kind of had the Bob Packwood effect, right, where it just didn`t work.

SHENKMAN: Bob Packwood was another one. U.S. senator, caught groping women, and 27 women come forward and said that they had groped by this fellow. He says, "OK, I`ve got an alcohol problem."

And he goes off. He enrolls himself in one of these clinics, treatment plans. He comes back. And he`s trying to you know, say, "I`ve been redeemed. I`ve recognized my demons." It didn`t work. He was forced out of Congress.

BECK: All right. Richard, thank you very much. I appreciate it. I think what people are missing in Congress is it`s about honesty, and you don`t hear that very often in Washington. Thanks so much.

So, I mean, what is a congressman supposed to do when he gets, you know, caught with sexually revealing, naughty e-mails to young boys. Gosh, if there was just a disease we could blame it on.


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BECK: Three deadly school shootings in one week, the latest today in Amish country in Pennsylvania. What the heck is going on?

Also, things in Iraq, not going so well. Hey, thanks for the heads up on that one. Let`s stop playing politics and win the war.

And why life in prison may be the worst sentence a child killer can get: inmates exact revenge on behalf of one man`s victim. Don`t miss it.



BECK: Do you believe that if -- there is no -- I mean, Henry Kissinger was raked through the mud by Bob Woodward for his crazy advice of win? Do you believe there is any other option than winning?

JOHN ASHCROFT, FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL: We get conditioned by TV to think that everything is over at the bottom of the hour. After three or four commercial breaks...

BECK: Right.

ASHCROFT: ... and so we think we want things to be wrapped up in tiny packages. I think the other guys, frankly, are not episodic. They`re intergenerational. They`re training kids to kill us and the next generation, if they don`t get it done this time.

BECK: Right.

ASHCROFT: So, I think we have to be very careful to win, to prevail, not to signal that we don`t have the -- both the will, the character and determination to do what`s necessary.


BECK: That was John Ashcroft on my radio program earlier today. Most of the things that I think are going on in Washington are politicians just playing games when our soldiers` lives are at stake.

Unfortunately, we have more on that and more on the Middle East and, unfortunately, again, the Middle East isn`t the only place where you can find shocking violence.

Just this morning, Charles Carl Roberts IV, a Pennsylvania truck driver, dropped his three little kids off at a bus stop and then continued on to this cute little one-room school house in Amish country, where he then ordered all the male students and teachers to leave before he shot and killed at least three little girls and wounded seven others. Then he shot himself. One of the little girls died in the arms of a state trooper.

It is outrageous on the face, but, maybe even more so because other incidents just like it are happening at an alarming rate. A gunman in Colorado took a classroom full of kids hostage before he eventually killed one student. And in Wisconsin just last Friday, a student gunned down his principal.

Pat Brown is a criminal profiler.

Pat, as a parent, I don`t know if you`re a parent, but I`m freaked out. Only one of these attacks actually came from someone inside the school. What is going on?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Glenn, as a parent I home schooled all three of my children all the way to college because of this kind of problem.

BECK: Good for you. Good for you.

BROWN: I got fed up -- I got fed up with what was going on in the schools. I got fed up with the violence out there and the fact that we`re not protecting our children very well.

We refused to put armed guards in our schools, which we absolutely need. Because one thing that will stop these shooters from coming in and killing is someone who`s going to shoot them before they get a chance.

BECK: You know, Pat, wait, wait, wait. Back up for a second, because I agree with you.

BROWN: Good.

BECK: I`d love to have armed guards. Don`t want to have armed guards in the schools, but do want to have armed guards in the school. It`s a bigger problem than that. Help me -- give me -- give me a lifeline here. Why do people go in and target children?

BROWN: Well, because they hate everyone. They hate society. And they get a lot of fame for doing a horrible, horrible crime.

And this particular man, who slot up these poor little children today in Amish country wanted to beat out the guy in Colorado. After all, the guy in Colorado got lots and lots of fame. And this guy says, "Hey, look, I can do one better."

We weren`t politically correct about this, as well, Glenn. We have lots of nice things to call this guy. We call him perhaps -- I think he was called the actor today by the police. Sometimes people will call him just the suspect or they`ll call him a disturbed man.

No, he`s a scum bagging, mass murdering creep. Why don`t we just call him that and not give a lot of -- you know, look back at his life and talk about his poor childhood.

BECK: Right.

BROWN: And his excuse 20 years ago and all that crap. Why don`t we pay attention to the victims and call this guy a disease and get them over with. It wouldn`t be so thrilling to go out and commit these crimes.

BECK: All right. So you could -- you can say, well, things have not gotten worse. These people, you know, existed 50 years ago. But I saw something last night. I want to play this for you. I saw this last night on "60 Minutes", and this actually made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Watch this clip.


ED BRADLEY, "60 MINUTES": You all thought that was funny?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was funny.

BRADLEY: Help me understand this. How is that fun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know, just exciting, I guess. Entertainment.


BECK: This kid, in case you didn`t see this, this kid beat up, you know, homeless people.

BROWN: yes.

BECK: Beat them up, killed a guy. It was fun. Even spookier, it was entertainment. Have we crossed some weird invisible line, Pat?

BROWN: Well, psychopaths, when they commit horrible crimes, do think it`s fun. I use that term fun all the time and people say, what? They say, "You`re saying killing -- raping and killing women is fun?" Yes, exactly. It`s his hobby. He thinks it is fun. It`s thrilling for him. He gets to play god. He gets to do something that makes him laugh. This is the development of a psychopath.

And our society is, indeed, developing psychopaths. You`re right, they`re multiplying. Why? Because as parents and as a society, we`re hiding our heads in the sand and we`re saying the stuff that goes into our kids` head doesn`t matter.

Now mind you, you can spend a fortune putting a little 30-second ad on the Super Bowl, but we think that if you put 10 hours a day of violence into your kid`s head, I don`t know how much pornography, violent pornography you can download on the Net without even paying these days.

Children access pornography, violent pornography. They access violent games. They access violent movies, tons of this stuff, constantly, and we wonder why these kids grow up thinking all people do not matter. They`re all just cockroaches. Let`s do something to them and that`s a fun thing.

BECK: Yes.

BROWN: That`s what we`re creating in this society.

BECK: You know, I`ll tell you. I don`t know what we have planned for "The Real Story" tomorrow. I know we`re working on several things. I may just change direction because you gave me an idea. There`s an interesting story of the history of video games.

Those were actually developed by the Pentagon. And we don`t understand that we are training our children exactly the way the Pentagon trained people to kill people in war.

Pat, thank you very much, I appreciate it.

BROWN: My pleasure, Glenn.

BECK: Here`s today`s installment of our continuing series called "Missed by the Media". This is where we show you what some in the Middle East consider must-see TV, but it goes completely unreported here.

Today`s clip was supplied to us by memory, and it features a talk show where one lunatic makes up stuff about us infidels marrying watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (speaking foreign language)

GRAPHIC: One of the most important things that distinguish man from beast is the ability to confront one`s desires. Allah said about some of the infidels, "They are like cattle, nay, they stray farther off the path." Therefore, as I said on previous shows, they have organizations for homosexuals, organizations for people who marry animals. She marries a dog, a donkey and so on. These organizations exist, and strangely enough, they are official. They have web sites, and they publish magazines with pictures.


BECK: Unbelievable. Well, I think I better update my magazine subscriptions, because I missed that some place. We`ll be back in a second.


BECK: All right. Bob Woodward has a new book out where he talks about George W. Bush and his handling of the war in Iraq. Hey Bob, you`re not exactly breaking Watergate "Part Deux" when you tell us that things aren`t going well over there. We get it.

What is interesting, however, in Woodward`s new book is his explanation on how George W. Bush has solicited the advice of Henry Kissinger, and Henry Kissinger is telling Bush crazy things like, we got to win the war.

Well, he`s right. We do have to win the war, but how is the question. What we need is a strategy. And I don`t care if it comes from the Republicans or the Democrats. We`ve come too far, and pulling out isn`t a plan. It`s the absence of one.

Joining me now with his thoughts is retired Lieutenant Colonel Robert Maginnis.

Colonel, what do we have to do to win the war?

LT. COL. ROBERT MAGINNIS (RET.), U.S. ARMY: We have to kill the enemy. It`s very simple, Glenn.

BECK: Thank you for saying that.

MAGINNIS: Somehow we have to find out who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. Clearly, you have people we`ve been fighting across the spectrum. You`ve got the jihadists that invite themselves into the country.

You have the Sunnis, you know, on again/off again against us. You have Muqtada al-Sadr. Part of the government, but he likes to fight us in Najaf and in Sadr City.

You have the Iranians coming in to be, quote, unhelpful. You have the Turks from the north, interestingly, after the Kurds, and they`re trying to push them south. You have the Syrians that aren`t cooperating. So you have a bag of problems here. And so, trying to fix the enemy.

Now of course, recently, most of the killing has been sectarian. You`ve got 24 different militia in Baghdad alone. And they`re going after one another. That`s where you see 15, 20 people that are either beheaded or shot in the head with their hands tied behind their backs. So it`s really fixing the enemy.

And then, of course, standing up a military over there. And we`re working at it.

BECK: Right.

MAGINNIS: And it takes a while and so that they can take control of all the battle space, all 18 provinces and especially there in Baghdad. So, those are things you have to do.

BECK: Let me -- let me ask you this. I think part of the problem is America -- it was misframed, I believe, by the Bush administration. Americans don`t understand why we`re even -- they don`t understand the connection to the philosophy of "let`s end the west." Do you understand what I`m saying?

MAGINNIS: Well, I do. Osama bin Laden clearly does. He says Baghdad is the center of it the combat (ph).

BECK: Right.

MAGINNIS: And his deputy says it`s the arena of the jihad. So, clearly, the enemy, the people that bombed us in New York City at the Twin Towers, they understand what they want to do over there.

BECK: So -- so, how do convince Americans? What -- who`s got the message that Americans need to hear?

MAGINNIS: Well, they need to understand the reality of some of these jihadists. The Khalid Shaikh Mohammads of the world that really would rather cut our heads off than look at us.

And in fact, there are a lot of them out there. It`s just a matter, you know, our special operating forces have gone all over the world. And we`re in 125 countries, by the way.

And we`ve killed a lot of them, but we haven`t killed, clearly, enough. And they, in fact, want to get big, nasty weapons, weapons of mass destruction. They, in fact, would use them in our cities to kill a lot of us.

So it going to take another one of these 9/11 episodes, perhaps even far worse...

BECK: Yes.

MAGINNIS: ... where tens of hundreds of thousands of people are killed to convince people? I hope not.

BECK: I will -- I will tell you. Tomorrow we have a guest on who`s going to tell us about what is being called the American Hiroshima. That is frightening stuff.

Lieutenant Maginnis, thank you very much. Lieutenant Colonel Maginnis. I appreciate it.



BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story". This is where we try to cut through the media spin to try to figure out why a story is actually important to you.

Yesterday, the "New York Times Magazine" ran a story about all the various names this war has been called, for an entire page. The article talked about all of the brainpower in Washington, D.C., that`s been used to come up with and shoot down the names like, "the Iraq war." Nah, that doesn`t really work. They`re sort of an ally now; plus, we can`t forget about Afghanistan, remember.

Then there was "the war on terror." That one stuck for a while, but then people realized that terror isn`t the enemy, it`s just a tactic.

"The war on Saddam." Kind of dumb, because Saddam was captured, then it was useless. Then at some point, we moved on to trying to define it as an ideology instead. "The war on Islam." Who do you think was upset about that? Yes, Muslims didn`t appreciate that one too much. How about "the war on Islamic radicals"? No, not catchy enough. And this time, Democratic senators nixed it for being insensitive.

How about "the war on Islamic radicalism"? Sort of the same thing. Do I hear "war on Islamofascism"? Not bad, but really all you`ve done is change Islamic to Islamo. It`s not really creative. You get the point.

The real story here is: I don`t care what you call the damn thing. Just win it. Are we really full of that much free time in Washington, D.C., that the brain trust has nothing better to do than sit around and debate this stuff? How is it that any time we actually face a real major obstacle, we spend more time trying to be politically correct than we spend on trying to solve it?

Take illegal immigration, for example. How many different names can you list off right now for all of the things that we`ve called illegal aliens? There is "illegal aliens." There`s "undocumented workers," "deportable immigrants," "prohibited citizens." I mean, come on. Are we serious? Solve the problem, Washington!

You want a name for the war that doesn`t alienate anybody, doesn`t leave anybody out? Great. Try "World War III" on for size with your focus groups and your speechwriters. Or, better yet, don`t. Just go win it.

Next, President Bush met today with Turkey`s prime minister to talk about the continuing alliance between the two countries in the war of whatever you want to call it. But the real story is that the meeting was probably a lot more heated and divisive than either side will let on publicly.

To understand what I mean, I need you to go back to July 4, 2003, a date which -- I mean, if you`re like me, I just remember it from stuffing my face with hot dogs and lighting up sparklers. But if you were in Turkey and a Turkish citizen, oh, you will remember it for a very different reason.

It was on that day back in 2003 in a small town in northern Iraq that the U.S. military arrested 11 foreign troops based on, quote, "reports of disturbing activity." Well, they put hoods over the troops` heads, threw them in the back of a truck, and brought them back for interrogation. It quickly became apparent that they were legitimate Turkish soldiers.

After about 60 hours in custody and multiple phone calls to the White House, they were all released. Well, war zone, no harm, no foul, right? No, no, not for Turkey. This event, which has become known as the "Hood Event" was barely reported here in America, but it was a national embarrassment for Turkey, a huge thing.

And that`s not really a trivial thing when it`s an embarrassment. Remember, almost every war fought in the Middle East has been, you know, to avenge some past humiliation. A couple of years later -- now, this is 2005 -- a movie came out. It was called "Valley of the Wolves Iraq." It was released in Turkey.

It used the hood event as a starting point to build up the "based on a true story" element, but then it morphed into just spooky propaganda, with scenes of our troops massacring civilians at a wedding, and then American doctors coming in and taking the organs out of children and sending them to Jews in Tel Aviv. It`s frightening stuff.

Meanwhile, the anti-Semitism also seems to be growing in Turkey. Last year, Hitler`s book, "Mein Kampf," sold over 100,000 copies. And in March of 2005, this poster was distributed. Look at this. This went all throughout Istanbul. The headline is: "America, get your hands off the Middle East."

Now, what you just see on your screen here is another poster, side by side. The other one is Nazi propaganda that portrayed Israel as trying to take over the world in the 1930s. Look at the similarities here. Stunning, isn`t it?

But all the negative sentiment aside, I think the biggest threat Turkey poses is their ongoing clash with the PKK Kurds in northern Iraq. The Turkish foreign minister said this last weekend, quote, "If our friend won`t help us, then we`ll do the job ourselves," end quote, implying, I believe, that they will cross the Iraqi border to fight if they have to.

To me, that would be the proverbial shot heard around the world. That would trigger an avalanche of events, beginning with Iran crossing the border, as well, something that would put our troops in extremely dangerous situations. But how likely is any of that to happen?

Walid Shoebat, he is a former PLO terrorist and author of "Why I Left Jihad."

Walid, you say that Turkey is actually a bigger enemy to us than Iran. Why?

WALID SHOEBAT, FORMER PLO TERRORIST: After the fall of communism, there was a vacuum in the Middle East and specifically also in the southern parts of Russia, after the fall of communism. The CIS nations, the Commonwealth of Independent States, specifically Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, those countries have a vacuum of power. Iran now is flexing its muscle to become the superpower.

Of course, Turkey is not going to sit idle watching this happen, but Turkey has to kind of downgrade their secularism in order to win the Muslim world and to polarize the Middle East to see Turkey as the superpower. This is why you see Saudi Arabia now coming to visit Turkey and doing some sort of business together and things like that.

So Turkey wants to flex its muscle right now, and the only way to do it is by being the dominant force to represent Islam to the Muslim world.

BECK: Turkey is kind of -- correct me if I`m wrong -- but as I see Turkey, it`s kind of like Pakistan, where there`s good Turkey and the bad Turkey.


BECK: Am I wrong on that? Or is that accurate?

SHOEBAT: You`re right. The generals in Turkey, the military machine, still, by far, is secularist. However, the elections of a Muslim fundamentalist governing party changes the status quo. And that`s what you see happening.

In fact, Erdogan, who`s the chief in charge there, had made his famous speech -- his "Mein Kampf," if you will -- in which he stated the mosques are our refuge, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our bayonets, which landed him in jail. In fact, his wife is wearing a Hijab and trying to say that we`re going back to Sharia Islam.

They cannot win and polarize the Middle East unless to go back to Islamic fundamentalism. Sunni and Shia are both fighting over this issue, and America is kind of living in a dream world, where they think secularism still, by far, is dominating Turkey, when that`s not true.

BECK: OK, Walid, you are a former terrorist. I mean, you were a guy who went out and, you know, did what terrorists do. You left it. Your solution here, if I`m not mistaken on Turkey, is to disengage from these guys and don`t treat them as friends or allies, which is the exact opposite suggestion that everybody else has. They all say, "Oh, we`ve got to stay engaged. Let`s go rush to Iran." Wouldn`t this make things worse if we would follow your advice?

SHOEBAT: Well, America needs to understand, when I was fundamentalist, when I was fighting in jihad movement, if you will, the thought is that the fall of the caliphate was in Turkey, the Ottoman Empire. This is why you see -- just last month, there was demonstrations throughout the streets of Gaza calling for Turkey to re-establish the caliphate from Turkey, from the Ottoman Empire.

So, in essence, we wanted to revive the Ottoman Empire centered in Turkey. So we have to support governments, I mean, countries like Cyprus. Cyprus was being occupied by Turkey. Turkey, even with the aid of the United Nations, the United Nations is trying to suppress the Cypriots and trying to make the foothold of the Turkish government even forever in Cyprus, in which they`ve burned so many churches, they`ve persecuted for many, many years.

Turkey alone, historically -- let`s not forget -- Turkey alone was responsible for the death of 10 million people throughout its history.

BECK: OK, Walid, we have to have you back on. I`d love to have you on the radio show, because I`ve read your book recently. And I`m currently re-researching some of the claims that you have made, because you talk about this in biblical fashion towards the end of your book, and it`s hair- raising stuff. So we`ll talk to you again. Walid, thank you very much.

That is "The Real Story" tonight. If you would like to read more about this or if you`ve found a real story of your own that you`d like to tell us about, please visit and click on the "Real Story" button.

Let`s go "Straight to Hill," Erica Hill, the anchor of "PRIME NEWS" on Headline News. Hello, Erica.


BECK: Happy Monday to you, too. Of course, not really happy for George Michael.

HILL: Not for everyone, no.

BECK: No, not for everyone, not for pop singers.

HILL: No, it`s not. You love these celebrity stories, by the way. Don`t think I haven`t noticed.

So here`s your daily dose of celeb gossip. Pop star George Michael in trouble with the law again. He was picked up on suspicion of marijuana possession. But how he got there is really the interesting part. Police found him slumped over the steering wheel in his car a little after 3:00 a.m. Sunday morning in London, and they found him because people in the area had called to complain that a car was blocking an intersection.

BECK: It`s like a third time he`s done this, too.

HILL: It`s the third time he`s been found asleep in his car. He was taken to the hospital as a precaution, released on bail. He got a warning and was charged with being unfit to drive.

BECK: Yes, let me tell you something: There`s no problems going on in his head. None whatsoever. Thanks a lot, Erica.

HILL: Have a good night.

BECK: You bet.



BECK: Am I the only one in America not molesting children? No, I think that`s a legitimate question, because I`m beginning to feel very alone. I`m beginning to look at it and say, "Gee, I don`t know. I mean, everybody`s doing it. There must be something to having sex with children."

What is it? What is it that I`m missing, America? I would like to know. To me, having sex with children just doesn`t seem hot or interesting at all. But, hey, hey, I know I`m in the vast minority in America today, or at least it seems so, but maybe you can help me out how having sex with children is a good thing. I don`t get it. I don`t get it.


BECK: I really don`t. And is it me or does it seem like there`s some new creepy child molestation story virtually every day? It was August 30th, this was the day after charges against John Mark Karr, Captain Highpants, were dropped in Colorado. And I shared my belief at that time that the people in this country have had it with these molesters. And I warned them.

I said we`re not surrounded by you; you`re surrounded by us. And we`re not a country that sits idly by as our children are taken advantage of and changed for life by some monster.

The very next day, that prediction came true, unfortunately. After hearing that his 2-year-old daughter had been molested by a neighbor, a dad goes in, breaks in through a window of the guy next door, the suspect`s house, and stabbed him 12 times in the chest.

Three weeks later, a Long Island father was arrested for planning to set fire to residences of four convicted sex offenders living nearby. Just a day later, a man in Texas was beaten by a mob of 15 people after he allegedly exposed children to pornographic magazines while they were on the playground.

And now another case of apparent vigilante justice has occurred. An inmate serving life in prison for molesting and killing a 10-year-old girl was branded with a makeshift tattoo, reading "Katie`s Revenge," across his forehead. There it is.

Now, prison officials aren`t talking yet. The girl`s father believes that the inmates are responsible. And given that a relative of Katie`s is serving time in the general population at the same prison, probably not too far-fetched.

Dr. Jeffrey Ian Ross, he`s a criminologist and the author of "Behind Bars: Surviving Prison."

Jeff, that picture actually came from the guards. Were the guars involved in this, do you suppose?

JEFFREY IAN ROSS, PHD, CRIMINOLOGIST: Possibly, possibly. What we learned is that the photograph was released to a woman who has some sort of a blog, and I think the photograph was taken as evidence into the assault against Anthony.

BECK: I mean, if you look at that, that took some time. How does something like that happen in prison?

ROSS: Well, it wasn`t done voluntarily, I don`t think.

BECK: Well, I don`t think he said, "I don`t know. I`d like to have `Katie`s Revenge` on my forehead." I mean, I get that, but, I mean, it took a lot of time, didn`t it?

ROSS: It must have. If an inmate gets a tattoo, usually it`s voluntary. And they get it from the in-house tattoo artists. Having tattoos, getting a tattoo is against most jail and prison regulations, so somebody must have held him down or he was drugged, and it took some time to do the artwork. It`s not the most sophisticated kind of jailhouse tattoo, but it did take some time.

Now, whether or not the correctional officers were complicit in that they were looking the other way when this happened or they were holding the man down at the same time, it`s hard to say. There`s an ongoing investigation.

BECK: You know, this is the worst -- this is the absolute worst part of me. As a dad, I`m so sick of these guys. There`s part of me that says, "Oh, that`s the least of your worries is getting that tattoo."

I sympathize with the father who broke into the neighbor`s house and stabbed the guy to death, and that`s horrible. Is it really as bad in prison for molest -- and we should stop it, but not too quickly -- is it really as bad in prison for child molesters as we`ve grown up hearing?

ROSS: Sure. Sure. There`s a pecking order in all correctional facilities. And individuals who are charged or convicted of sexual molestation, killing a young child, are the lowest of the low. And typically what happens is they are either asked if they want to go into segregation or they are removed from general population.

Sometimes there`s an advantage for somebody who`s charged like that to go into general population to see how they can handle it. If it`s too tough on them, then they will ask the correctional officers to be placed in some sort of segregation.

Typically what happens: They are harassed. They`re spit on. They are cursed at. They are assaulted and sometimes killed. Rarely, I`ve never heard of a case where somebody has been tattooed. This is probably the first in American correctional history.

BECK: Well, it`s a kinder, gentler prison justice. This guy is not going to talk, is he? He`s not going to rat anybody out. He`ll be dead if he does, don`t you think?

ROSS: It`s doubtful, but, you know, he has a long time to serve behind bars. And he may very well turn to the legal system and sue the correctional system for failure to ensure his safety. And this could be played out in the courts over the next, you know, two, three, five years. And so he has a lot of time to make it work its way through the state criminal justice system.

BECK: And that, America, is his revenge. Jeff, thank you very much.

ROSS: My pleasure.

BECK: Back in a minute.


BECK: Now, as you might know, I`m not exactly what you would call a sports fan. I don`t play sports, and honestly I get tired lifting a box of pizza rolls from my freezer into my microwave and then into my mouth. Yet somehow, I agreed or at least they told me on record that I would show you my first pitch from the Angels` game in Los Angeles on Thursday.

Now, the way I see it, first pitches at baseball games can be put into the Bush-Kerry scale. The top has to be George W. Bush`s first pitch. I mean, look at him. The guy looks like he belongs out there. Then, the bottom of the scale is John Kerry. And this -- wow, even our troops couldn`t stop that disaster.

But I don`t even think that I`ve even made the scale at all. Here is the actual footage of my first pitch at the Angels` game.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His morning show can be heard on AM 830 Monday through Friday, from 7:00 until 9:00 a.m. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Glenn Beck tossing our first pitch to Dino Ivo (ph). Big hand and welcome to Glenn Beck, from 8:30 a.m. Monday through Friday, 7:00 to 9:00 a.m.


BECK: Yes, nice close-up view. That`s why you can`t see the details. But for some unknown reason, my, quote, unquote "friends" went out of their way to get another camera angle. Here you can see my weight printed on the back of the jersey. And coming up, you will notice the trajectory of the ball. Here it comes. What I was going for was a sparrow soaring through the sky, then having a stroke, and lifelessly crashing to Earth. But, you know, at least I made it to home plate.

I mean, I don`t think we need to go into slow motion, do we? Some would notice that the catcher actually left his feet to grab the ball, but that is, honestly, just hurtful. However, I did have some post-throw self- analysis.


BECK: OK, not too embarrassing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, but still good for the news.

BECK: Yes, still, enough girlish...


BECK: I mean, apparently, you can go to my Web site at and vote for how pathetic you thought the first pitch was. I would like to publicly apologize to every baseball player that has ever lived and, of course, my family, my friends, and, most of all -- and I mean this sincerely -- my son, Raphe, who I believe I have made him a laughingstock for the rest of his life.

Good night. We`ll see you on the radio tomorrow. Bye.