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Is Axis of Evil Real Threat?; What Causes Violence in Schools?; Marine Holds Online Auction for New Name

Aired October 10, 2006 - 19:00   ET


GLENN BECK, HOST: Coming up, how evil is the axis of evil? And are they lining up against us?
Plus our food supply vulnerable to terrorists? That is coming up next.


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BECK: The whole Barbra Streisand, doesn`t this make you want to vomit? It`s always a delight to have Barbra in town. I mean that. I just -- I wish I would have had the $700 to see her tell the audience off at Madison Square Garden.

All right, let`s get to the news. You remember when everybody jumped on President Bush for his axis of evil speech. North Korea, Iran, what is he even talking about? It happened a few years ago. Let`s just see where all three players are today.

Iraq is a mess. Iran is run by a religious felon who`s trying to bring about Armageddon through his nuclear program, and North Korea is run by a porn-addicted, alcoholic 5`2" nut job in platform shoes who may have just detonated a nuke. Sounds great.

Here`s the point tonight. The axis of evil is definitely evil, and they may actually be a true axis, as well. Here`s how we got there.

North Korea, we find out today, may or may not have actually tested a nuclear weapon. It may have been a dud. I don`t know. It could have been a barrel full of Pop Rocks and soda for all we know today.

The good news is, if he did fake it, that could mean that our sanctions are actually working and this was just a desperate attempt to get some attention.

The bad news is, doesn`t really matters. We can`t prove anything either way. We need to treat him like he does have a weapon. Because, you know, if we say he doesn`t, this guy is just nuts enough, kind of like John Mark Karr, he may just go out and prove he has one by detonating it above ground.

Now an unidentified North Korea official has said that they will fire a nuclear missile if the United States doesn`t sit down at the table with Kim Jong-Il for one-on-one talks. The answer to that thinly veiled threat has to be a clear and definite no.

People are definitely going to say this, people like Barbra Streisand: "Oh, you hate mongers. Why won`t you just sit down and work this out with Kim Jong-Il?"

Let me give those people a word of advice: you cannot negotiate with crazy people, period. You know, one of my favorite stories from World War II, 1939, it was right after Hitler invaded Poland. There was a Republican senator from Idaho. His name was William Boria (ph), and he said at the time, "Lord, if I could have only talked with Hitler, all of this might have been avoided."

Really? You think so? You think Hitler would have put aside his crazy plans for global domination if he just had that chat with a senator from Idaho? I don`t think so. And neither will Kim Jong-Il, President Ahmadinejad, or Osama bin Laden or any of the other nut jobs that are lining up to destroy us.

If someone was in jail, and they were in jail because they tried to murder you and your family, and Barbra Streisand comes up to you and says, "You need to sit down and talk to him," are you going to go to jail and have coffee with the guy? No. You leave him in jail.

This guy wants to destroy us. We cannot talk to him. We don`t trust him.

What we need to do is say simply, "You launch a missile, we launch 10." That`s something I actually learned in, you remember the movie "The Untouchables" with Sean Connery. Sean Connery said in that movie, "It`s the Chicago way. You don`t bring a knife to a gun fight."

It is vital that we take strong action because Iran, Iran is watching with baited breath. If you think Kim Jong-Il with a nuke is scary, imagine if President Tom gets his hands on one. He`s not going to say, "Hey, you need to sit down and have one-on-one talks with us."

This is what President Tom will say: "You have two weeks to completely remove yourself from the Middle East or we`ll drop a bomb on Israel."

That is why Kim Jong-Il needs deeds and not words.

Here`s what I know tonight. These guys in North Korea are all about pride. It`s weird. After the Korean War, the South raised a 328-foot flagpole, so the North put up a 520-foot pole. Then the North built a two- story building in the joint security area, so the South built a three-story building. Then the North added another story to the building. This guy is nuts.

He once held a meeting for 11 hours straight. There wasn`t any formal agreement about when to take a break, so neither side would be willing to say, "We need to go to the bathroom." The meeting has become known as the Battle of the Bladders.

Kim Jong-Il wants to be the big dog here. If he did indeed fake a nuclear test, it could be perhaps just to take attention away from the fact that a South Korean just got nominated to the top post at the United Nations.

We cannot get sucked into his dangerous game of chicken. He`s a bad boy, and we`re not going to give him his toy.

Here`s what I don`t know. The axis of evil, it is real. But I don`t know if there are any specific connections. Iranian soldiers were present for North Korea`s failed missile test in July.

Now Ted Galen Carpenter, he is the vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, co-author of "The Korean Conundrum".

Ted, did Kim Jong-Il, in your opinion, actually detonate a nuclear bomb or is he just playing some weird sort of game?

TED GALEN CARPENTER, CO-AUTHOR, "THE KOREAN CONUNDRUM": Well, I don`t have access to the intelligence data from Japan, the U.S. and South Korea, so we cannot be sure. If it was a nuclear explosion, it was a very small explosion.

BECK: Right.

CARPENTER: Now the South Koreans are indicating the North may be prepared to conduct a second, larger nuclear test. And we`ll probably know within a matter of a few weeks whether the North really has those capability or is just bluffing.

BECK: You know, I`m trying to figure this guy out. And he`s -- he`s a tough nut to crack. I think if I would put him in a category or try to figure out what he`s trying to do, is it possible he`s trying to be the evil Musharraf, where he watched Pakistan, the way they got their nuke and the way they were treated and how Musharraf is now a world player, and he wants to be on the other side? Does that make sense?

CARPENTER: Yes, I think Pakistan, in fact, was North Korea`s model. They saw how Pakistan was viewed in the 1990s, that it was seen as this third world underachiever, a potential failed state, wasn`t respected.

Once it got nukes, it was treated very differently. And the North has nothing else going for it. This is a poverty stricken little hellhole.

BECK: Right.

CARPENTER: And the one thing that gives them clout is their military capability, and if they can add to that a nuclear capability, they suddenly become a player in the region and in the international system generally.

BECK: Tell me what you think this all means. This is a quote from a Chinese news agency today: "We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes. That will depend on how the U.S. will act."

And the last one, the official went on to say, "The nuclear test was an expression of our intention to face the United States against or across the negotiating table."

What happens if we say, we`re not sitting down to the table with you?

CARPENTER: Probably not much. At least 80 percent of what comes out of the North Korean propaganda machine is sheer blather. The North does want to extract concessions from the United States from Japan from other countries and it has concluded the way to do this is to have a nuclear weapons capability. U.S. negotiators have misinterpreted this situation from the beginning.

We have presented a choice to North Korea: either give up the quest for nuclear weapons or enjoy engagement with the rest of the world. You can`t have nukes and engagement. They think they can.

BECK: Right.

CARPENTER: They`re probably right in the long run.

BECK: Well, if Musharraf and Pakistan is their model, absolutely they can.

Let me show you a poster here. This is a poster. I showed another one very similar to this last night. This is a poster. You see the U.S. Capital. Do we have it? You`ll see the U.S. Capital being destroyed and the flag. There it is. The translation says, `If there is a preemptive attack, we will demolish the U.S. first."

I mean, I can`t imagine our government printing up posters like this. Where does the hatred for the United States in South Korea come from -- or North Korea? Where does it come from?

CARPENTER: Well, part of it is just ideological. I mean, communist regimes have always hated the United States. This is a particularly weird communist regime so the level of hatred is probably greater.

They also fear the United States. They saw what the United States did to non-nuclear adversaries like Serbia and Iraq. And they fear -- and I suspect Iranians feel the same way -- that their country might be next on the U.S. hit list. The way to prevent that is to have a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent.

So I think a lot of this is defensive, surrounded with a lot of blather that we will wipe the U.S. off the face of the earth if the U.S. attacks. The reality is, North Korea`s capabilities for many years to come will be very, very limited, even if it does have a small number of nuclear weapons.

BECK: Ted, thank you very much.

We all know that Kim Jong-Il is a nut job, although, you know, some experts say that he`s, you know, not crazy, just crazy like a fox, which I don`t even know what the hell that even means. Crazy is crazy. The real question is, how crazy?


ANNOUNCER: Now it`s time to play "Know Your Dictator". Which fun fact attributed to Kim Jong-Il is not true: A, he once kidnapped a South Korean film director and teamed up with him to produce a movie about a monster made of rice with an insatiable appetite for metal objects; B, according to official state-sanctioned media reports, the first time Kim Jong-Il ever played golf he had 11 holes in one, shattering the PGA record by 25 strokes or; C, when frightened or cornered Kim Jong-Il will make his hair stand on end to appear larger than he actually is.

The answer is C. Kim Jong-Il actually looks like this all the time. Yikes.



BECK: All right. Coming up, the president holds a summit as a video of a brutal beating on a school bus circulates. We`ll ask an expert, how safe are our kids at school?

Also, what`s in a name? How about $26,000. Meet a Marine who is auctioning off the rights to call him whatever the heck you want to.

And the culture of Islamic extremism. It may be being taught in our universities, and ex-terrorists and former Nazis are here to tell me how a look at history may actually hold the answer to solving it. Coming up.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I teach my kids a very simple phrase. We have to be kind and thoughtful. If we can just get that through our heads.

BECK: It really is what`s destroying us. And if we could, just -- if we could just insist in our own homes that we don`t care who`s right, who`s wrong, who started it, we just are trying to be decent people. There are certain principles that you never compromise in your family, we would be able to raise a next generation that would be able to demand that those values are held by our leaders.


BECK: After three tragic school shootings in two weeks, President Bush responded by convening a summit today that hopefully is going to get the word out about school safety. But I mean, don`t we all know? How much of an impact is that really going to have?

Last week, two teenagers from New Mexico were involved in a brutal altercation on a school bus. I want you to watch this. You`ll see, this one girl pulling the other girl back by the hair and then they`re just beating on her. How did we get this way?

As a parent, it is impossible to look at this and not think, "Is there no place where my kids are safe?"

William Lassiter, he works for the Center for the Prevention of School Violence. He`s a school safety expert.

William, welcome to the program. We -- I want to -- you`ve seen this video, I am sure, sir. How did we get here?

WILLIAM LASSITER, CENTER FOR THE PREVENTION OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE: I think the big thing we are talking about, especially with bullying incidents such as these, is that kids don`t learn that these behaviors are inappropriate, and we need to make sure that they understand that these behaviors are inappropriate.

When we look at school violence, we look at it as a continual acts, and a lot of times those little things that we should be stepping and saying these things are not acceptable, we don`t do that.

BECK: Right. There`s -- you know, we`re just watching the video now. If you`re at home watching this, you`ll see, nobody on the bus does anything.

First of all, I don`t know. Maybe it`s just me because I`m a sexist conservative, but there are girls doing this to each other, and then no one does anything to stop it. What does this say about us?

LASSITER: Well, it`s interesting the fact that it`s called the bistandard effect. Especially we see it a lot of times in bullying incidents that nobody steps up to the plate to help out.

What we find is that about three percent of the population in a school are bullies and about 13 percent of the population are the targets, and then the rest of the kids are what we call bystanders. They just don`t want to get involved, because they`re scared: "I`m going to get hurt. I`m going to get retaliated against. I`m going to be called a rat or a snitch."

And they just don`t want those things to happen. And last of all, they don`t want to -- they think there`s not going to be a response if they do say something about it.

BECK: So I mean, I`m so frustrated. Because when I saw that, you know, we were having another summit. Please, we had a summit after Columbine. And we`ve already -- I mean, a lot of the plans that were put into place in schools after Columbine, they`re old and they are -- they`re covered with dust right now.

What exactly do you think the government could do? Doesn`t the solution really start with the family?

LASSITER: Absolutely. We say that school violence starts at home, and parents have to get involved. You know, this is the issue that we`ve seen for many years, and we know that the kids that perpetrate these crimes, for the most part, do not have parent involvement. And we need that.

BECK: The Secret Service, if I`m not mistaken, did a study -- I believe it was right after Columbine. And it is part of a brochure: We Want to Be Bully Free. Can you fill me in on this study, what they found?

LASSITER: Yes. The U.S. Secret Service did a study, and they found some really interesting findings. They wanted to create a profile of what a school shooter could look like. But they couldn`t do that. So what they did find was rationales behind the behaviors why these kids went into schools and shot up other classmates and teachers.

And the rationale that they found in 75 percent of the cases, the reason why they said they did it was because they were sick and tired of being bullied at school.

The other finding that was really interesting from that study was that, in 80 percent of the cases, other students knew about the incidents before they occurred. And they could have said something to an administrator, a teacher, to a parent, a law enforcement official that could have stepped in and stopped this incident from occurring. In 80 percent of the cases that was true.

BECK: You know, I -- and maybe I`m just a simpleton. I don`t know. I -- I`m an alcoholic. I have been rich. I have been poor. And I`ve been miserable in both cases.

I think the problem that we have in our society with our kids is people feel helpless in our society. The No. 1 e-mail we get from people is, what do I do? I know there are problems out there, but I can`t do anything about it, so you feel helpless.

And the second thing is, I think especially with our kids and a lot of people in our society, they feel empty inside, because we have built a society around stuff and success.

I mean, how early do we start asking our kids, what do you want to be when you grow up? Here`s the answer: happy. It`s about family. Is that too simple of an answer?

LASSITER: I don`t think it`s too simple at all. You know, a recent study was done, and they found that, you know, that the average father only spends 13 minutes a day with their children. And of that time, the No. 1 thing that they do in those 13 minutes is disciplining their children.

Now, I believe that discipline is important, but that shouldn`t be the only interaction you have with your kids.

BECK: Right. William, thank you very much.

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BECK: You know, when I was a kid people always made fun of my name. They called me Glenda, or you know, Glenn, the big, fat pale kid. But still, I never wanted to actually change my name.

Sergeant Cody Baker, however, is a little different. He`s not only changing his name, but he`s letting the world do it for him. And that`s one of the reasons why he is going to be able to help out an orphanage in Thailand.

Joining us now is the man who on January 1 will be known as formerly Sergeant Cody Baker.

Cody, tell me why you are doing this.

SGT. CODY BAKER, SELLING RIGHTS TO HIS NAME: I`m doing this for my family and the reason we`re raising awareness for an orphanage in Thailand, the Im Jai House.

I`m going to be separated from the Marine Corps in about a year and a half, and I`ve got to take care of my family. And the way to do that is go back to college, and I want to do that full time. I never had the full- time experience.

So I thought of a way to supplement my income when I`m doing that. So I started this, where people can go and bid on changing my name.

BECK: Right. How much money do you need to be able to go to college full time?

BAKER: That`s a good question. I guess I`ll find out in a year and a half.

BECK: Yes. You -- you`re currently up to $26,000. The name that is being picked for you, I mean, this is as of January 1, if $26,000 is still the highest bid, you will be named Finest Freshest Fastest.

BAKER: That`s correct. Who wouldn`t want to have their first name Finest?

BECK: Well, me, I guess. This comes from a company called, Marcus Seigle. I don`t think you`ve even met this gentleman. He`s the guy bidding on the name, and he`s on the phone.

Marcus, are you there?

MARCUS SEIGLE, CUPOFJOE.COM: Yes, Glenn. Good afternoon.

BECK: OK. How are you, sir?

SEIGLE: I`m doing great. How are you?

BECK: Good. The finest, freshest, fastest. Have you thought about naming him

SEIGLE: Well, we did think about that, but our motto on our web site is finest, freshest and fastest coffee on the Internet, so that`s what we chose. It reflects if you look at a phone dialing pad, the amount we offered is coffee one.

BECK: Where is this -- Where is this...

SEIGLE: Reflex, if you look at a phone dialing pad, it`s the amount we offer to Coffee One.

BECK: Right. Are you -- where is your coffee from?

SEIGLE: We have coffees from throughout the world.


SEIGLE: We can -- you can get coffee from India, Indonesia, Hawaii, Jamaica, any country.

BECK: OK. Because I read on the web site that you -- you`ve got coffee from the Middle East, and I thought, how ironic that this would be selling coffee from the Middle East to a Marine.

SEIGLE: Very few of our coffees are. I think we have a coffee from Yemen.

BECK: Right. Oh, that`s got to be good coffee. Cody, are you excited about the Yemenese coffee bean?

BAKER: Oh, yes, yes. I`ll take -- I`ll take any kind of coffee.

BECK: Right. So how much are you willing to pay for this, Marcus?

SEIGLE: We offered $26,333.31.

BECK: Yes, I know, but somebody is going to bid this up by January 1. Somebody else is going to do it. How much you got at

SEIGLE: Well, we -- we`ve decided that this is a good investment for us. It certainly brought us a tremendous amount of notoriety.

BECK: Sure.

SEIGLE: And we wish Sergeant Baker the best. I have a nephew who`s an active duty Marine in Iraq. He`s going to be back this week.

BECK: Cody, when do you -- are you going to be serving in Iraq. Do you know 00 do you go back into active service?

BAKER: I could be going back sometime in the near future, but I don`t know. That`s always a possibility in the Marines.

BECK: Sergeant, thank you so much for your service and best of luck. We`ll check back with you in January. Marcus...


BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story." This is the section of the show where we try to cut through the media spin and try to figure out why a story is actually important to you.

First tonight, Mexico`s foreign secretary said that his government is conducting a legal investigation to determine if America can actually build a fence along their own border. Right. Now, try not to be too frightened when I tell you the next piece of news. He said they may actually have to go to the U.N. and ask them to intervene. Oh, no! Maybe they`ll pass a resolution against us and then never enforce it.

Now, as much as I`d like to spend the next two to three hours trashing the U.N., the real story is that Mexico is throwing stones from the world`s largest glasshouse. I want you to take a look at this: This is a page out of a booklet published by the office of the very same secretary who wants to take his case to the U.N. It is called "The Guide for the Mexican Migrant."

It is made to provide, quote, "practical advice for crossing the border illegally." This particular page is offering helpful tips on how to properly cross a river. But there are also tips on how to hire personal human traffickers, how to survive in the desert, what your rights are if you`re arrested in the U.S.

But Mexico`s glasshouse gets even bigger when you consider that their immigration laws are more strict than ours. You know, if you enter Mexico illegally, you can be thrown into jail for up to two years, fined, and then deported? If you try to enter again, you will face 10 years in a Mexican jail.

Oh, and I almost forgot. Mexican businesses, they`re not allowed to hire illegals. And if they have any doubt as to the employee`s status, they must consult with a government entity first. And if they don`t -- get ready for this -- the business owners face fines and prison time. Man, Americans are just such hatemongers to want to build that fence.

You know, I read a quote from a guy the other day who was just deported back to Mexico. And I think he summed it up perfectly and what this is really all about. He said, quote, "Wall or no wall, I will try at least three more times to enter the U.S. I have three girls to support. And in Mexico, there is no work," end quote.

Let`s be honest: The real reason Mexico doesn`t want a fence is simple. When the poorest and least educated people from their country come to our country, it does nothing but help their economy, as it destroys ours.

Next, a company in California said they have found E. coli bacteria in the water used for irrigation. That, of course, comes right on the heels of the E. coli spinach outbreak that killed three people and hospitalized over 100.

But the real story tonight is that, until proven otherwise, we need to consider the possibility that at least one of these incidents was intentional. Even if they turn out to be unintentional, this should serve as a warning to all of us on just how vulnerable our food supply really is.

You know, I read years ago -- and I don`t even if most people are aware of this -- in 1984, there was a small town in Oregon. They saw that vulnerability firsthand. There was a religious cult in the town. They wanted to take control of the city. And what they thought they could do was influence the election by poisoning people, poisoning the food and kill enough or hospitalize enough people so they could steer the polls in their direction. Not kidding.

After researching hepatitis, and typhoid, and typhoid fever, they settled on salmonella. This was their weapon of choice. Beginning that summer, they began to poison the town`s water supply, the salad bars at local restaurants, and the produce at the supermarket. By September 9th, the first illnesses were reported. And by late September, nearly 1,000 people had chills and fever and dizziness and nausea. Local hospitals was overwhelmed, and it was a breaking point. By the time it was all over, 750 people had gotten ill.

Now, remember, this is one small town with one small religious group. About 11,000 people in the town. Imagine what a serious terrorist organization intent on mass casualties could do on a national scale?

But the other frightening part of the story is that it took officials nearly a year to figure out that this was an attack. That`s why I said at the beginning that we shouldn`t all just assume that the current outbreaks are natural, even though all signs point that way now.

Luckily for the people in Oregon, the food was poisoned at the salad bar, which is at the end of the distribution line. It`s at the beginning of the chain -- the farms, the factories -- where things can really spread and do the most damage.

The speed and efficiency of our food distribution system is what makes it the best in the world. But it`s also those very things that also makes it the most vulnerable in the world. Two different governmental agencies are currently in charge of our food safety, but unfortunately, homeland security is just not one of them. Maybe it`s time for a change.

Dr. Irwin Redlener, he is a author of "Americans at Risk: Why We Are Not Prepared for Mega Disasters and What We Can Do About it Now."

Doctor, what leads us to believe that the food being poisoned would not look like what we`ve just seen?

DR. IRWIN REDLENER, M.D., AUTHOR, "AMERICANS AT RISK": Well, it`s hard to completely rule that out, in fact, Glenn. I think your point is very well-taken, that, you know, we have a very vulnerable food supply and food supply chain. And that applies to livestock, as well as grown food and agriculture.

So we do have a lot that we have to worry about, because there`s actually a significant amount of access that ill-wishers for us can get to our food supply, either in the farming of it, or the production of it, or the distribution of it to really cause problems.

BECK: So the lettuce or the spinach, that comes because we`ve got all of these farms, and everything from all of these farms taken and put into one place, and then mixed up in different bags, and shipped all over the country, right?

REDLENER: Exactly. So it`s like a built-in distribution center, not just for the food products, but for people that want to contaminate the food. And I don`t think we need to get overly paranoid about it, but it is clearly an area that has been neglected, in terms of homeland security and what it should be focused on, because that`s one of the main things that I think make us vulnerable that we do need to pay attention to.

BECK: What would this look like if somebody did attack us?

REDLENER: Well, it would depend on what part of the agricultural system or livestock production they went after us on.

BECK: Well, without giving anybody any tips, where are we really the most -- where should we be looking to shore ourselves up?

REDLENER: Well, there`s a couple of things we should do, even before we start the looking, and one of them is that, by research, we can actually make some of our plant material and certainly some of the animals less susceptible to some of the agents that might be used, by vaccinations and by growing certain species that are able to not be so susceptible to the kinds of things that might endanger us.

But beyond that, we need to be looking at the fields, where they`re grown, at the places where they`re packaged, and then what the distribution process is like. And I think so just it would make sense, if you think about it, that a terrorist might be thinking about the place where you get the biggest bang for the buck, that is, where is the most material at one time that can be contaminated before distribution?

That is actually probably the point. And without getting into much detail about that for obvious reasons, I think we can all imagine where that might be, not to mention the fact that, along many of our highways and byways where we`re going through farm country, it`s absolutely beautiful, but totally open. And it does present that kind of threat to us.

BECK: All right. So is anybody really pushing, I mean, in a credible way to spend this money? This would take millions of dollars to be able to do this. Is anybody out there ringing the bell, saying, "Hey, let`s watch our farms"? Or are we just purely, "Take the shoes off at the airport, once we have that threat"?

REDLENER: Well, there`s certain amount of that. We`ve gotten addicted to that M.O., which is that something happens, then we react to it, we pour a lot of money into it and neglect everything else. In this particular case, the Department of Agriculture has been looking at it, and they have been working to a certain extent with the Department of Homeland Security.

The question is: How fast are they working? Do they have enough resources to do the job? And that`s where it starts to get a little bit shaky. And I do think this is an area where we obviously have to spend a lot more time and a lot more money. But it`s among many other priorities, of course, that we have in trying to deal with prevention of terrorism and the preparation for any kind of major disaster we might experience.

BECK: Gosh, imagine the price of a salad if we had to put in these kinds of things.

REDLENER: I shudder to think.

BECK: All right. Doctor, thanks a lot.

REDLENER: Thanks, Glenn.

BECK: That is tonight`s "Real Story." And if you`d like to read more about the vulnerability of our food supply or if you`ve found a real story of your own, please tell us about it. Visit, click on the "Real Story" button.

Now, let`s go straight "Straight to Hill." It`s Erica Hill, the anchor of "PRIME NEWS" on Headline News.

ERICA HILL, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Ho, ho, my friend, have I got a real story for you tonight.

BECK: Yes? What is it?

HILL: Jennifer Wilbanks, remember her, the runaway bride?

BECK: Oh, I can`t believe this story.

HILL: She`s back!

BECK: I can`t believe it.

HILL: You thought she was gone, but, no, she`s back, and here`s why: You may recall, in case, you know, you were living under a rock and you forget who the runaway bride is, she ran off just before the wedding, this huge, lavish wedding, had this bogus story about being kidnapped, huge massive manhunt. Well, it turns out, she got cold feet. Now she`s suing her former fiance for $500,000.

BECK: Yes.

HILL: Yes.

BECK: You know, Erica, here is the real story behind this. This guy has been regretting slipping that ring on her finger since, I believe, that night.

HILL: It may be.

BECK: Can you even imagine how many times this guy is just kicking himself going, "What the hell is wrong with me? How did I pick this loser?"

HILL: I can`t. But can I tell you one more thing that really shocked me in this whole thing? She wants some of the shower gifts back. Honey, shouldn`t you have returned those when you called off the wedding? You don`t get to keep that stuff.

BECK: Yes. "Here`s your frickin` blender!" That`s the way it would be in my house.

HILL: I think it was a toaster.

BECK: OK, all right, good. Erica, thanks a lot.

HILL: See you tomorrow.

BECK: You bet. Bye-bye.



BECK: Anybody who has those giant missile parades where they, you know, have people in stands, and there`s always giant flags everywhere, and the missiles come down the street, I think that`s a sign that you`re a bad country that probably should be overrun.

I think the missile parade is just one of the telltale signs, you know? If you can`t resist that irresistible urge to publicly celebrate the ownership of explosive devices, you got to go.


BECK: And if you`re one of those countries with the giant posters of your leader.

You know, if you`ve watched this show over the last month, then you know that I`ve tried very, very hard to show you the propaganda, the lies, and the hate that makes its way onto television in the Middle East. I take it so seriously, I believe so strongly that you need to see this and share this with your friends that we are working on an hour-long special to show you all of the unbelievable and heartbreaking video that we have found.

But in putting this special together, the part that has been the most eye-opening is the culture of hate that is so easily transferred to children. When you grow up hearing everyday that all Jews are literally monsters with fangs who drink the blood of your Arab friends, your life is changed forever. This week, the Columbia University, the Columbia College Republicans here in New York are holding an event featuring three people who were changed forever by this culture of hate but are now speaking out about the brainwashing they endured.

Two of them join us now. Zachariah Anani, he is a former Lebanese terrorist, and Hilmar Von Campe, he is a member or was a member of the Hitler Youth and a German soldier in World War II.

Gentlemen, let me start with Zachariah, you actually left the Middle East, and the hatred was so deep-rooted in your family, when you left Islam, they tried to kill you for several years, your own family, right?

ZACHARIAH ANANI, WALID SHOEBAT FOUNDATION: Right. And within 20 years, they try to assassinate me about 18 times.

BECK: In what way, what shape or form did that happen?

ANANI: Well, they knifed me. Most of the times they tried to cut off my throat. They poisoned me once. They shot me once.

BECK: How do you balance this in your head? How do you deal with your family being so filled with hate?

ANANI: Ironically, when I became a Christian -- praise God -- this hatred is washed away. And even now, after all of this, I look upon my family and whoever tried to kill me with love.

BECK: When you were a terrorist back in the 1970s, it was not the same kind of world as it is now. You didn`t have the suicide bombers that we have now. This is much more a throwback to the Ottoman Empire and the really spooky kind of level of Islam now, isn`t it?

ANANI: Yes. Well, actually, in my time, suicide means you are outnumbered, and you`ll be killed, and you still go to the fight. But what`s happening now is what you call it is rebirth of the fundamentalist Islamic doctrine of fight and death.

BECK: Hilmar, it`s so fascinating to be able to have the opportunity to talk to somebody who was over in Germany back in 1938. I`ve been saying for a while that I think America is Europe 1938. I think we just had our Chamberlain moment this summer, making peace with Hezbollah, and everybody saying, "Oh, let`s deal with these people."

Do you see echoes of Europe 1938 or the eve of World War II going on right now?


BECK: In what way?

VON CAMPE: Well, being blind to what is really happening. Because what connects me with former terrorists is that moral and ideological bases of society, in Germany at that time and in America today, comes ever closer. And it can be defined -- the words I use is that there is a dividing wall and the battle line is between truth and lies.

What takes me to the former Islamic terrorists is what you said earlier. It`s a common base of hatred, as the basis of the ideology of hate, which kills people without regards whatsoever, and plans its own road to world government for their specific ideology. And I don`t find that it`s adequately represented, neither in the media -- I`m sorry to say -- nor by our government.

BECK: Yes. Now, you know, what we`re showing -- and we`re doing this special in a few weeks on the media over in the Middle East -- it is very, very reminiscent -- in fact, we just showed a poster from North Korea, where they are training their people that we will attack them first, and they will just be defending themselves.

Hilmar, isn`t that pretty much what happened with Hitler after he went into Poland? Didn`t he blame it on the Polish, saying that the Polish people attacked Germany?

VON CAMPE: Well, this is a very decisive point which I wanted to mention tomorrow. Hitler lied to us. He said that the Polish army attacked on Germany territory, German installation, and said the next day, on the 1st of September, we are shooting back. That was a lie, because he had sent S.S. people in Poland uniforms into Poland, and they had killed a number of people from the concentration camps and put them in Polish uniforms, and put them on German grounds.

BECK: Zachariah and Hilmar, thank you very much.

VON CAMPE: Can I say one more thing?

BECK: Yes, real quickly, sir.

VON CAMPE: Next day, the England and France declared war on Germany, and we said that is not a Nazi war what is coming, that has the same enemies from World War I. And, therefore, we first have to win the war, and then we have to deal with the Nazis. And that is how we got the army behind this.

BECK: That sounds very reminiscent of what`s going on in the Middle East now. Zachariah and Hilmar, best of luck at Columbia University. Back in a minute.


BECK: All right. Let`s go to the e-mail. And, in a minute, I will tell you about a new way to get involved in this segment and get your face on the magical TV box, as well.

First, tons of e-mail, like this from Molly in Iowa, on the segment I did yesterday on the crazy new church-run haunted houses. "Glenn, your segment on `Hell House` made me angry enough to sit down and start writing this e-mail before the show even ended. As a Christian, I am fed up with such displays. Making a gruesome spectacle out of an already horrible reality of school violence, AIDS, and abortion is repugnant."

It is unexplainable. It really is. It`s kind of like the fusion of the fundamentalist gospel and "Saw 3." Luckily, these things aren`t widespread. I mean, I got to tell you, I have a tough enough time seeing Jesus coming back and saying, "Hey, add a little more blood in that abortion scene." Or, "We need to get a tad more teenage brain on the blackboards." And maybe it`s just me. I can`t see it.

Alex in Seattle wrote in, "Dumb as a rock, clever as a donkey, the `Glenn Beck Show` is a complete dud."

Alex, I`m not the smartest guy, but I think what you just said is that a rock was equally as intelligent as a donkey, which would be an insult to all donkeys, although you are absolutely right on the show.

Ed writes in from Tampa, "Glenn, relax. On North Korea, everything is going to be OK. This situation is all a setup by FOX Television to promote the new season of `24.` Remember, Jack Bauer was kidnapped by China, so he`s already in the area and he`s going to take care of North Korea and their bomb. P.S.: Been here from day one."

Wow, so you`re the one that`s been sticking around from the beginning, huh? Thanks, Ed. I hope that you`re right. We need some real-life Jack Bauers right about now, minus the hot daughter that almost gets thousands of people killed every season.

You can e-mail me at or, better yet, send me your thoughts on video. That`s right: Just film yourself with your camera or your cell phone and then go to and click on the "Video Mail" link. It`s kind of like YouTube, except not quite as many people getting kicked in the groin. And Google will also never want to buy us for $1.65 billion.

Anyway, a couple of ground rules on this: Use a microphone. Keep it short. No groin-kicking, unless it is incredibly vital to your point and then go ahead. So we`ll see you tomorrow on the radio and then back here tomorrow night, you sick, twisted freak. Thanks for watching.