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Glenn Beck

Are We Going Soft on Iraq?; Film Examines Motives of Suicide Killers

Aired December 05, 2006 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

GLENN BECK, HOST: Tonight from Denver, has President Bush lost his mojo and his spine?
Plus, health issues at taco bell. Could your next chalupa be your last? That and more next.

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ANNOUNCER: Tonight`s episode is brought to you by the Iraq Study Group Christmas spectacular with special guest stars President Ahmadinejad, the Bashar al-Assad dancers and funny man Jamie Farr. The Iraq Study Group Christmas spectacular. We`re inviting everybody.

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BECK: All right. We`re back for another night in beautiful Denver, Colorado. If you`ve never been here, you should. It is really pretty. It`s been a safe haven for me and coincidentally for hundreds and thousands of illegal immigrants. More on that in "The Real Story" later on in the show.

Two people in the news today. John Bolton is out as the ambassador to the U.N. and Robert Gates look like he`s going to be in as the new secretary of defense. Here is a look at the riveting confirmation hearing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Gates, do you believe that we are currently winning in Iraq?

ROBERT GATES, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE NOMINEE: No, sir.

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BECK: And? I mean, I agree with you here, but what are we going to do about it? Way to boost morale, Bob.

Here`s the point tonight: I said after 9/11 that President Bush`s vision for the Middle East, as understood by so few, clear and bold. And if he stayed true to it, they would have built statues of him from Baghdad to Tora Bora. The update on that, not so much.

President Bush, I believe, has sold his vision, the Middle East, and everybody who voted for him right down the river. It appears to me as if he has lost his nerve or his will, his spine, and if he continues down the path that it seems as though he has chosen, we will pay dearly.

Here`s how I got there. John Bolton, a man as tough and old school as that mustache of his, announced that he is resigning as ambassador to the United Nations. Since he never actually had to face a Senate confirmation, Bolton held his post thanks to a presidential recess appointment that expires at the end of the current Congress. Now, with the Democrats taking control, Bolton would have had a tough time getting confirmed.

So what does the president do? Abandons Bolton, takes his resignation, even though this guy has been a pit bull watch dog in the most inept organization our country has ever been involved with. And that includes the teachers union. Whoops? Did I say that?

John Bolton was a guy who would have held the U.N.`s feet to the fire, something we need now more than ever before, an organization that has become so dangerously out of touch with right and wrong. Who do you want representing us? You want a straight-talking pit bull or a cute little French poodle?

So while Bolton is gone, it looks like Robert Gates is going to be our next secretary of defense. This is a guy who is in favor of opening direct negotiations with the evil that is Iran in order to facilitate a regional approach to Iraq.

In 2004, he co-chaired a task force of the Council on Foreign Relations that endorsed engaging Iran. Wow. Bad idea there, Bob. Really. In fact, in the encyclopedia of crappy ideas, negotiating with mad men like Ahmadinejad lies somewhere between marrying K-Fed and letting John Mark Karr baby-sit your kids. Trust me, look it up.

By picking someone who endorses this strategy as his secretary of defense, President Bush is signaling to everybody in the Middle East that they can`t trust him, that we`re about to go soft. He`s saying the exact same thing I believe to everybody like me who voted for him.

So, here`s what I know tonight. President Bush needs a tattoo. He needs a simple tattoo right on the brain, just says this: secure the border. We`re not doing it here, which will destroy the middle class, and we`re not doing it with Iran and Syria, where soldiers and weapons are being channeled to our enemies.

But only a president who deserves a statue would understand that. By losing his nerve on the Middle East or caving into the Democrats, the president soon won`t even deserve a plaque at Arby`s.

Here`s what I know: how long will it take before America begins to feel the real significant effects of no longer acting like a superpower? I don`t know. We`re acting like France.

Peter Brooks, he is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a former deputy assistant secretary of defense.

Peter, roughly how long do you think that`s going to be?

PETER BROOKS, SENIOR FELLOW, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: What`s that?

BECK: How long is it going to be before we start to feel the real effects of these decisions?

BROOKS: I`m still reeling from what you -- what you said before. Now, look...

BECK: Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Let`s start here. Where am I wrong?

BROOKS: Glenn, look, Bob Gates may be confirmed as secretary of defense. I think it`s very much likely going to happen tomorrow. But the fact of the matter is the president is still the commander in chief. He`s still the chief executive. He calls the shots on foreign policy, calls the shots on defense. They`re not going to confirm Bob Gates to be commander in chief.

BECK: I know that. Every single signal that is being sent is that we are not securing our borders, we are not fighting to win in Iraq. We are sending every signal of going soft all the way around.

BROOKS: No, I don`t see it. I don`t see that at all.

BECK: Then show me how he`s a good chess player and not somebody who is saying, "Well, OK, then I`ve played my hand."

BROOKS: Hey, look, President Bush is going to -- the Iraq Study Group comes out tomorrow. He`ll look at those ideas. He has reviews going on within the government. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff has one going on. So does the National Security Council.

As Steve Hadley, the national security advisor said last weekend, in the next couple weeks we`re going to perhaps see some changes to our strategy tactics in Iraq.

Look, Glenn, no plans survive contact with the enemy. It`s a tough and complex situation in Iraq. You know that, and sometimes you have to change your plan. So, that is what the president`s doing. He`s taking inputs from many different corners on that.

BECK: I am -- I am not arguing with you on that. You know, it drives me nuts when people say, oh, look, he was changing course. That`s a good thing.

BROOKS: That`s right.

BECK: Battle changes and, you know, the war, it can be won, but we`ve got to stop worrying about other countries. We have to stop mincing words. If they`re in mosques, we kill them in mosques, and we must secure the borders. It seems to me that it`s not this complex. You have to fight to win, and I don`t think we`re doing that.

BROOKS: The other thing, Glenn, is that there`s probably not a military solution to what`s going on in Iraq. It`s a political solution. We need a reconciliation, a national reconciliation, bringing these parties in there.

Remember, we`re not doing most of the fighting. Most of the fighting and violence is happening between Iraqis themselves. It`s sectarian violence. You`re going to have to get these people around the table at some point, the Sunnis, the Shias, and talk about how to move forward in Iraq.

BECK: OK. But how do you...

BROOKS: It`s not just a military solution.

BECK: Right. But how do you get your arms around people who have the army of the Mahdi, the army of the messiah? How do you sit down at a table with people like Ahmadinejad who believes in doomsday and Armageddon? How do you do that? They`re not -- they`re not trustworthy partners.

BROOKS: Well, there`s two separate things here. First of all, you`re talking about Iran and Syria, and I agree with you. We should not embrace these guys. And I don`t think President Bush is going to embrace them even though the Iraq Study Group may recommend this tomorrow.

But then I`m talking about Iraq, and then you`re going to have to decide who you`re going to embrace and who you`re not going to embrace to bring them to the table.

Remember, we have a democratically elected government in Iraq. They have got to do the heavy lifting on dealing with these things, first of all, from a security standpoint as well as from a political element, a political aspect as well.

So you`ve got two different things here. I`m not talking about bringing Iran and Syria to the table in Iraq. I think that`s a bad idea. But you got two separate issues here. I think you`ve got to bring them to the table in Iraq, Sunni insurgents, Shia militias.

BECK: OK. Then show me -- then show me why it`s not yet another flare pointing in the wrong direction with Bolton. But show me where Bolton went wrong. Why did we cave? Why didn`t we fight for him?

BROOKS: Hey, look, the problem is that John Bolton is a good man. And you characterize him appropriately. We need a guy like that at the U.N.

But you know? You know what, Glenn? Well, even when we had a Republican majority in the Congress we couldn`t get him through. I think John Bolton is doing the honorable thing and stepping aside and letting somebody else.

But don`t expect John Bolton to necessarily disappear from government. The president may have other plans for him someplace else. The important thing is to find somebody of his character, toughness, and tenacity to go to New York to deal with the tough problems we have up there. But I don`t think it`s a cave. I think it`s just -- it`s embracing reality.

BECK: Peter, I`ve got to tell you. You`ve given me hope. I mean, you`ve given me hope today. I hope that the president isn`t caving. I sense the whole world is starting to go soft on this and somebody has got to stay strong. Peter, thank you very much.

BROOKS: Thank you.

BECK: I got to run. Thank you.

As you may know, I`m on the road for my Christmas tour, and I can tell you one thing that I`ve already discovered. When you do the radio show, and then the TV show, and then a two-hour stage show every night, there`s a lot of things you need to remember.

With a stage show, there`s lines, stage directions, you know, things like what city you`re in. And if you`re like me, short-term memory kind of shot. Hey, don`t worry.

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What, now you can`t remember where you left the phone? You know what? Forget it. The pills don`t even work. Forget you even heard this. Oh, you forgot already? Cool.

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ANNOUNCER: This is Glenn Beck.

BECK: Coming up, suicide bombing has become a frequent and terrifying weapon of war. I`ll talk to the creator of a documentary, "Suicide Killers". He`s got some shocking stories you have to hear.

A new Department of Homeland Security report says by next year we`ll have control of over 300 miles of our border. That`s great. Then only 1,600 more to go. Tonight, the real story behind the border security.

Plus, they aren`t actual terrorists but they play them on TV. The stars of "Sleeper Cell" stop by to talk about the hit series. Don`t miss it. Coming up.

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BECK: Doomsday means doomsday. Armageddon means Armageddon. Without chaos, the 12th imam can`t come back. I don`t know. Dan (ph), do you think chaos is kind of understating Armageddon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe a little bit.

BECK: Maybe a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s kind of like after a big game when the crowd`s going a little crazy going onto the field.

BECK: Yes. I don`t know if chaos would be the right word. How about wackiness? Armageddon. A slight wackiness. Whack, whack. I don`t think that works. All right.

So, use another word for chaos, because it doesn`t really translate the same as what I think is going to happen right before Armageddon. But know that that chaos means wackiness to us. Got it?

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BECK: Chaos, wackiness, whatever you want to call it, oh, it`s coming. Yes. How do I know? When people start blowing themselves up and others in the name of religion, how far off can the apocalypse really be? What kind of society teaches that something as barbaric as suicide bombing is a ticket to eternal glory?

In the new documentary, "Suicide Killers", filmmaker Pierre Rehov has decided to find out.

Here is a clip.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (speaking foreign language)

GRAPHIC: I am married. I have three kids. My family has six sisters and two daughters. My father is dead. My mother is alive. She always prays that we will become martyrs and God will accept our martyrdom, God willing.

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BECK: Pierre Rehov, he`s the movie`s director, and I can`t believe I`m saying this, a Frenchman that seems to get it.

Pierre, what set your feet on this course?

PIERRE REHOV, FILMMAKER: Well, I tell you, this is my seventh about the conflict in the Middle East. So, step by step, I got more and more interested in understanding what is -- what was going on on the other side.

And definitely, if you want to understand what is going on on the other side, you have to get into the mind of what they call kamikazes, which I personally call suicide killers.

BECK: Well, you -- it`s so amazing to hear somebody say these things with a French accent. Your country is on fire and in complete denial of what is coming, and you saw Nazism first hand. This is worse, isn`t it?

REHOV: Oh, it`s -- apology. It is definitely worse than Nazism. And when you talk to these people, you understand the level of hatred which is leading them to sacrificing their life. This is the thing that people have to understand. When you reach such a level of hatred that your own life doesn`t count anymore, there is something completely hopeless about it.

And I spent a long time with about 45 terrorists who actually were going to blow themselves up and were caught by Israeli police, and I spent time with them in jail among. We went among them. And I was really, you know, astonished by what is going on in their mind because for them, talking to me, I am a Jew.

And I`m -- I am also an Israeli, but they were talking to me about the elimination of all Jews on the planet like if they were talking about the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So, it`s very difficult to really get it unless you really spend a long time with them and to understand -- sorry.

BECK: No, no. I was just going to say, I mean, I just said to on my radio program today that when are -- when are the Jews around the world going to wake up? The trains are coming again. When are you going to hear the warning and stand up?

So many people will say, well, this is just about a Palestinian state. No, it`s not. It is about the extermination of Jews and the western way of life.

REHOV: And the western way of life. People should not forget that. It`s about the western way of life. We are dealing with a civilization which has built a neurosis which is so huge among its population that they have no other choice at this point but to destroy the other civilization to prove their right to exist.

Actually, you know, the Muslim world -- I`m talking mostly about Islamists, but the Muslim world is what created Islamism, and it was capable of reaching the 21st Century. But you don`t bring anything to the -- any science, anything new to the world we are living in, and basically, they miss the train.

So, the only solution for them at this point to prove their right to exist in the name of God is to kill other people. And this is what is happening now. Of course, it`s more complicated than that.

BECK: Yes. And...

REHOV: But I found out that this neurosis was that, a very strong sexual basis, and this is what is striking about that...

BECK: Wait a minute. Did you say a strong sexual basis?

REHOV: Yes.

BECK: Explain.

REHOV: Well, I -- well, I tell you what is going on is when -- first of all, all the males I`ve been talking to in Israeli jails, they do it with the hope that the next minute after they blow themselves up they will wake up in heaven surrounded by 72 virgins.

But one thing that people must understand is that most of the guys who are trying to do it are virgins themselves. They don`t know at all what is going on with sexuality.

The Muslim society divides men and women. And for a young man, 18 years old, 20 years old, who has a very strong libido, who thinks that every single one of his desires is subject to guilt, is forbidden by God, his only solutions to finally have pleasure is to blow himself up. And it was very, very clear after talking to most of them.

Now, when you talk to the females, when you talk to the females themselves, I talked to a couple of them who were telling me straight ahead they wanted to blow themselves up because they thought that in the afterlife they would become one of the 72 virgins given to the male terrorists.

BECK: Holy cow. Pierre, I wish we had more time.

REHOV: So, of course...

BECK: We`ve got to run. I appreciate it very much. And stay safe. We`ll be back in a minute.

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BECK: All right. Every day you can hear my radio program on stations all across the country, including right here in Denver on KHOW and 830-AM KLAA in Los Angeles. Now, if you can`t find an affiliate in your area, listen online on my web site, GlennBeck.com.

Dave Glover on our affiliate in St. Louis.

Hello, David.

DAVE GLOVER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Hey, there.

BECK: How are you?

GLOVER: I`m doing good. I`m doing good. It`s kind of rough here in St. Louis.

BECK: Yes, I know. You`re like in -- you`re like seemingly in Army fatigues. You really haven`t -- you`ve been living out of suitcase, haven`t you?

GLOVER: Yes, I was one of the lucky ones. I was without power for three days. A lot of people it`s been five days now, and we`re still looking at a few days more. About 300,000 people still without power and about a couple, two dozen deaths so far.

BECK: Now, I am somebody who is always pushing for everybody in the country to have a 72-hour kit, to have 72 hours of water and food and everything else. Did you do it, Dave?

GLOVER: You know what? It`s a true story. The power went out Friday night around midnight, and my first thought was about you, as it often is, disturbingly. But I turned to my wife, and I said, because we`re moving in a week, you know, and I said I`m totally going to Glenn Beck it. I know he`s insane. But I`m going to get a generator. I`m going to get a whole bunch of stuff.

But better to be stuck in St. Louis without power than New Jersey without Taco Bell.

BECK: Oh, my gosh.

GLOVER: Would you not agree?

BECK: Yes, I would, you know, although I think -- I mean, I think many of the items on the Taco Bell menu already sound like some sort of, you know, lower G.I., you know, problem like, "Oh, honey, I got a bad case of the chalupas." You know?

GLOVER: Even with the E. Coli I think they only really kind of doubled the normal number of people in the hospital from a normal Taco Bell night.

BECK: All right.

GLOVER: But you know what? Can you imagine a Taco Bell on a Royal Caribbean cruise line? Now you`ve got some sick people. Now you`re talking some dysentery. This is bad news.

BECK: You know, I was talking about this on the radio program today, and I said, "You know, America, I mean, let`s really get a handle on this. You`re getting meat that you don`t have to get out of the car to get and eat. We shouldn`t hold really high standards here, you know."

GLOVER: This is why you have the third biggest show in America. That kind of thing.

BECK: Yes.

GLOVER: Bringing it down to a level we can all relate to.

BECK: Yes, it is.

GLOVER: Thank you for that.

BECK: There`s one more thing. In San Francisco at the -- at the bus stops they`re doing a new kind of advertising that would drive me nuts.

GLOVER: Right. This is olfactory, the sense of smell. You show up at the bus stop and you smell warm cookies, which at a rest area, a bus stop in San Francisco, probably not the first time, but it`s completely unfair for guys like us, big, fat huge guys. You already have the billboards and the television. This one, like your radio show today, fat and happy.

BECK: Yes. No, we were talking about that on the radio program. Let me explain that. We were talking on the radio program, there`s a new study out that says a lot of people would rather be thin and depressed than fat and happy.

GLOVER: Yes.

BECK: Which speaks volumes about the American people.

GLOVER: Sure. I`ll take fat and depressed. I mean, thin is just too much. Can`t win, don`t try.

BECK: No. If I`m going to -- if I have to be depressed I`d rather be skinny, but if I could be happy, if you could be happy and fat and just dunking Oreo cookies all the time...

GLOVER: I`m still thinking fat. I`m still going fat.

BECK: Really? Even if you`re depressed?

GLOVER: Sure. Why not?

BECK: All right, Dave. Thanks a lot.

GLOVER: No problem.

BECK: Thanks a lot. Are you back in your house yet?

GLOVER: Back in the house.

BECK: Good. All right. Best of luck.

GLOVER: On my way to taco bell.

BECK: You bet.

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ANNOUNCER: It`s been a great year for inventions. The solar-powered salad spinner, the cordless jump rope, hummus in a tube, but only five will make Glenn`s top inventions of 2006 list. Find out which ones by going to CNN.com/podcasts or iTunes. Then download Glenn`s podcast, "Sick, Twisted Freak".

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BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story."

Last Saturday, a 16-year-old teenager from Virginia was pulled over by police on I-95. It was 3:00 in the morning. While the police investigated, he was handcuffed and locked in the front seat of the police car. Minutes later, the teenager escaped from the car and jumped over a concrete barrier on the side of the road. Unfortunately, the drop was 62 feet, and the boy drowned in the chilly waters of the river below.

It was a horrible, horrible tragedy. But I want you to listen to a few facts of the case that didn`t, for some reason or another, make any of the headlines.

The original article said that the teenager had left school. The truth: He was expelled. He was pulled over for driving 90 miles an hour, speed limit 55. He failed three field sobriety tests. He had no driver`s license. He was on probation for riding in a stolen car five months earlier. And perhaps most importantly, the original article said that he emigrated from Honduras 16 months ago. Not so much.

The reality is: He was smuggled across the Mexican border. Border Patrol caught him and issued a summons, which he then ignored and flew to Miami. The teenager was an illegal immigrant.

You know why that matters? Not because it makes his death any less tragic by any means, but because it illustrates perfectly just how broken our system is.

A couple of months ago, immigration seemed like the most important issue facing our country. It was everywhere. It was on TV, radio, newspapers. There was passion. Illegal immigrants held protests. Citizens held counter-protests. But now, at least according to the media, everything`s been solved. Not a problem here. It`s all fixed now. Doesn`t that the way it feel? Isn`t that the way it feels?

The media works itself up into a frenzy about an issue, and then, when there are no more ratings to milk out, they drop it. Well, that may be the way the experienced professionals do. But tonight, let me, a completely inexperienced rodeo clown, give you "The Real Story."

The real story is: Ratings are not -- I refuse to be a media zombie and pretend that everything is sunshine and lollipops, because it`s not. When it comes to stories like that Virginia teenager, people want to paint me and others as an emotionless hatemonger who just don`t care about poor, hardworking people.

But let me ask you something. How can you call yourself compassionate, when you don`t want to get serious about fixing a system that allows this to happen? How are you compassionate for letting a family be smuggled here to work in dangerous conditions with no benefits for below a minimum wage? How are you the one who cares when you support a system that permits a teenager being smuggled across the border to stay here, only to be expelled from school and arrested with virtually no consequences?

I do have compassion, and that`s why we need to fix the problem. But the million dollar question is: How?

Well, so far, we`ve been given the 50 cent answer. It`s called the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill. Come on. I`m all in favor of bipartisanship, but a solution from Ted Kennedy? Really? On an immigration and amnesty bill?

The real story is: I believe John McCain has sealed his fate with this one. Ninety percent of the American people believe that immigration, illegal immigration, is a serious problem. And you`ve chosen to represent the Republican Party by fining them $1,000, granting them amnesty, and giving them a path to citizenship, all the while standing hand in hand in victory with Ted Kennedy, and doing nothing to stop the influx of new offenders?

That`s the biggest problem. It`s like we`ve jumped 10 steps ahead in solving the problem. No, no, no, it`s worse than that. We`ve jumped 10 steps ahead, and we`re ignoring the problem.

Let me give it to you this way: Imagine if your house caught fire, OK? You call the fire department. They come over. And when they get there to start putting the fire out, you start bringing in new furniture in the house, and you say, "Yes, I`d like the couch maybe over there. That way, I can look out the window while I watch TV." "But, sir, your house is still burning." "Yes, yes, yes. I get it, I get it, I get it. So should I put new paint or wallpaper up on the walls once we put this thing out?"

We`re talking about amnesty and citizenship. We add a city of illegal aliens the size of Detroit to our country every single year. Put the fire out first.

Politicians talk tough, but when it really comes down to it, the 2,000-mile fence turned into 700 miles. And as I told you when we were talking about it in the first place, it`s going to turn out to be a virtual fence, which if you`re not, you know, a politician, let me translate bull crap to English. That means zero miles of actual fence.

Earlier this year, before the election, politicians were still pretending to care about immigration. Senator Bill Frist said, and I quote, "A nation that can`t secure its borders cannot secure its destiny or administer its laws."

Well, our borders are certainly not secured. And until they are, neither is this country`s destiny.

Congressman Tom Tancredo is a Republican representative of Colorado, author of "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America`s Border and Security."

Congressman, thank you for being on the program.

REP. TOM TANCREDO (R), COLORADO: Hi, Glenn.

BECK: One of the most frequently asked questions of me -- and I think anybody who is in talk radio or in the media -- they come up and say, "What the heck is wrong with the people in Washington? How is it they don`t get it? How is it that President Bush is doing this?"

TANCREDO: Well, he is committed. He is a committed internationalist. I`ve said it before. It caused quite some stir, although I don`t know why. I mean, it`s a pretty blatant fact.

The president looks at borders differently than you and I do. He looks at them as speed bumps, I think, on a highway to some sort of economic association with Mexico and Canada. And especially he is sensitive to Mexico`s concerns about a fence; hence we are now moving into this -- we`re going to just simply have a virtual fence on the border.

BECK: That`s ridiculous.

TANCREDO: You know, it is ridiculous. You know, if you want to defend a virtual country from virtual terrorists, then build a virtual fence.

BECK: You know, I have to tell you, I said to -- I think it was Karl Rove -- I said, "You know what? I tell you what. You want the virtual fence on the border? That`s fabulous. I tell you what. Why don`t we start protecting the president and the White House with a virtual fence? Take down the big fence around the White House. You`d never do it because you could never secure the White House."

TANCREDO: That`s exactly right. I have been in Border Patrol stations along the border where we have watched, you know, the big monitors. They`ve got cameras along the border. And we have watched as people have come through. And I`ll say, "Look, you know, what are you going to do?" "Yes, yes, they`re coming through on this sector. Unfortunately, we just don`t have anybody there."

And, of course, what good is it? It`s because they don`t have an intent to actually secure the border. It is all a ruse, Glenn. This is a ruse, because they don`t want a fence, they don`t want to secure the border, so all this is just nothing but happy talk.

BECK: OK. Let me go into the realm of the absolute insane. You know, there are people -- and I have always thought they were nuts -- they say that there`s a shadow government. I don`t believe in a shadow government with a bunch of people smoking cigars in the basement of the Capitol in Dick Cheney`s bunker.

But I do believe that there are globalists -- and, you know, they can include anyone from big oil companies to, you know, big industry -- that see America as a market, not as the country that allowed them the freedom to grow and be the company that they are. And so they don`t want any of these barriers. They see America as an idea, not as a place.

TANCREDO: A place. Glenn, I`ve said this over and over, and to the consternation of some, but there is no conspiracy. There is no conspiracy.

BECK: Oh, they`re out in the open.

TANCREDO: They are completely out in the open about what they want to accomplish, so you can`t call it a conspiracy. But it is absolutely the truth that there are a lot of people in this government -- I think including the president -- who look at this combination of economic blocs, this union that`s going to be formed -- and I don`t mean to say tomorrow all of a sudden we`re going to just erase the lines on the map or anything like that.

But what we`re going to do is minimize the importance of borders and maximize the importance of markets. And those markets mean -- they will determine the flow of goods, and services, and people, and not just borders. That is truly what is happening to us; it`s not a conspiracy.

BECK: How is it possible that somebody like John McCain, who`s from Arizona, can look at a bathtub that is overflowing and not turn the faucets off, but say, "Let`s go repair the ceiling in the floor below"? That`s what he`s doing with Kennedy. I mean, does he realize he`s wrecking his chances of winning?

TANCREDO: Well, perhaps, but on the other hand, he may think that this is, you know, the way that you will garner the support of a large percentage of the population. You know, he`s going to be a maverick...

BECK: We`ve never seen any polls that suggest that.

TANCREDO: Well, then it`s just because he`s committed to it. And by the way, you say his friend, Kennedy. We can just always shorten it to McKennedy, because every time you turn around out here, you just keep saying -- that`s the way I do it. It just saves time, because you can just say the McKennedy bill, because they`re always together on something. What does that tell you?

BECK: Yes, Congressman, thank you very much. I wish we had more time. That is the "Real Story" tonight. If you`d like to read more about this or if you`ve found a real story of your own you`d like to tell us about, please visit glennbeck.com and click on the "Real Story" button.

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BECK: I don`t know if you`ve noticed, but every time you turn on the TV just to zone out, it seems like you`re just seeing shows that revolve around America getting vaporized. From "Jericho," "Heroes," to, well, this show, and then there`s another program that takes a smart look at terrorism and the enemies among us. It is the Emmy-nominated "Sleeper Cell: America Terror." This is the second season that`s about to kick off on Showtime.

Actor Michael Ealy plays a Muslim man who goes undercover for the FBI and embeds himself in a Los Angeles terror cell. Take a look.

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MICHAEL EALY, ACTOR: I want you to repeat after me. I pledge my absolute fealty for a life of struggle, a life of jihad, and against all enemies of God.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to a life of struggle, a life of jihad, and against all enemies of God.

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BECK: You know, Michael Ealy now joins us along with his co-star, Oded Fehr, who plays a former terrorist cell leader detained by the Americans.

Guys, first of all, thank you for actually presenting the enemy as extremist Islam. But I have to tell you: I don`t know if you`re being politically correct or actual and ahead of the curve, because you don`t have to look like an Arab Muslim. Is that what you`re going for, or was this political correctness that that scene, nobody was an Arab?

EALY: You know, for me, I think one of the interesting things was, right after we finished filming the first season, I saw a report in the paper about this Belgian woman who was a suicide bomber herself. And so, you know, to me, you know, the idea that the show is being politically correct I think is somewhat nonsense.

I think, essentially, the show is more realistic because, at the end of the day, Islam, it does not -- it transcends race, it transcends cultures. It`s not just about only people of Arab descent can be, you know, Muslims.

BECK: Go ahead.

ODED FEHR, ACTOR: Well, I just think that we should fear terrorists as much as possible, meaning we should expect the unexpected from them. And I think, you know, that`s exactly what they would try to do, is recruit people who would never -- we would never imagine would be terrorists.

BECK: Right.

EALY: And actually, one more thing, Glenn. The goal of an extremist terrorist cell is to blend in. And one way in which you can do that is to diversify your clientele, so to speak. And I think that`s one of the things that the shows bring home.

BECK: No, I have to tell you, you know, I haven`t watched the show, but I`ve heard a lot about it, and I do have to hand it to you, because this is the future. I mean, they`re not stupid.

And you`re right: Extremist Islam goes way beyond race. It is an ideology. And this is the future. Right now, it`s generally Arab-looking men, but it`s radically changing.

I just had to ask because, if I see another episode of "24" where it`s a Hungarian Presbyterian that`s strapping on a suicide belt, I think I`m going to blow my head off, you know?

So, Oded, you play a guy who is captured by the United States...

FEHR: Yes.

BECK: ... and some pretty brutal torture scenes in it.

FEHR: Yes.

BECK: How much of this -- first of all, I`m all for Jack Bauer shooting people in the kneecaps if that`s what it`s going to take to save us. How much of this stuff is real?

FEHR: You know, the writers have been amazing on this show. They`ve really tried to make the show as real as dramatically possible. And they went into great lengths to really research everything that they`ve written before they`ve written it.

BECK: Yes.

FEHR: So, you know, all of the torture scenes that I`ve gone through, everything that we show, has been done before to someone or other. Look, I feel that my character deserves everything it gets, but I think it`s also something we should always ask ourselves.

BECK: Sure, absolutely.

FEHR: You know, are we doing the right thing? Are we not becoming a little bit of them, doing it that way?

BECK: Yes. Yes. It`s a great conversation to have, and we all should have that debate in our own head.

One quick, last question. You guys are taking on some serious media issues, and anybody who points these things out is in danger. Do you guys feel any fear at all for taking this subject on?

EALY: I think it`s unfortunate that the subject matter is so timely, but I think the way in which we`re handling the subject matter, with some integrity, with some dignity, and not just making everything so simple in black and white, I think that`s what helps the show at the end of the day.

BECK: Good. Thanks, Michael and Oded. Best of luck to you. You can catch the first episode of the new season on Showtime this Sunday night.

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BECK: All right. Let`s get right into the e-mail, with Lee in Illinois. "Glenn, you keep complaining about the Democrats cutting and running in Iraq. But how is that stay-the-course thing working for your GOPers?"

Lee, I`m not a GOPer. I`m a conservative; I`m definitely not a Republican. I don`t care about the parties, and I don`t think you should, either.

But to answer your question, how is the stay-the-course thing working for Republicans? Why not ask this question: How`s it work for America? Why not ask how it`s working for the cab drivers, or the Pittsburgh Steeler fans, or the ditzy pop stars who are on the verge of divorce and apparently can`t remember to wear underwear when getting out of the car in front of paparazzi.

It`s working the same for all of us. It affects all of us, regardless of the party. That`s why it has to be solved. But it doesn`t get turned around when you just leave when the polls are down. And it certainly doesn`t get fixed, you know, if you don`t decide to fight to win. All of us must decide that together.

"Hello, Glenn. I consider myself quite a liberal, yet your show is on my list of top-five favorite shows. This is because we share not only the same sense of humor, but also because you`re not afraid to report the truth, unlike so many other politically correct and paparazzi-saturated news outlets on television. Keep telling it like it is, with a sharp sense of satire. And despite being on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, I`ll keep being one of your biggest fans."

Vanessa, I mean, I`m confused. I thought we were supposed to separate ourselves by party. I think that`s what Lee was talking about a second ago, remember? You`re not supposed to allow -- you`re not allowed to like me, and I`m not supposed to like you, you know, while we both blindly pull the R or the D lever down in the voting booth. I`m the elephant; you`re the donkey. We`re supposed to hate each other.

And, by the way, just an ADD moment here for a second. Who came up with the elephant and the donkey as the symbols for the political parties? They`re awful. I mean, one`s a big, dumb animal that`s afraid of mice, and the other is an ass. Can we get something cool, like a tiger? Or I`ll take a wasp at this point, or a ditzy pop star who apparently can`t remember to wear underwear when getting out of the car in front of the paparazzi. Just an idea. Not a politician, but I am a thinker.

You can e-mail me at GlennBeck@CNN.com. Goodbye from Denver, Colorado. It`s just a great city. And thanks for the gracious welcome that we have had. We will see you tomorrow night on the radio and on stage from Omaha, Nebraska. See you then, you sick, twisted freak.

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