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Encore Presentation: Behind the Cover Girl: Getting Real with Janice Dickinson
Aired January 10, 2007 - 19:00 ET
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GLENN BECK, HOST: Yes, yes, I know the president is giving a speech tonight on his new Iraq policy. I told you what he was going to say last night.
So for those of you who are a little sick and tired of politics and politicians, want a little hug for your brain, a little candy, here`s a cookie. Check out the interview with former supermodel Janice Dickinson.
BECK (voice-over): Once known for grabbing the spotlight with her cover girl looks, these days, it`s her mouth that`s getting all the attention.
JANICE DICKINSON, SUPERMODEL: Wait, wait. There`s only one diva in this place and that`s me.
BECK: Demanding high pay, star treatment, and even naming herself the world`s first supermodel, Janice Dickinson is a force to be reckoned with.
DICKINSON: I`m going to have heads rolling on this one.
BECK: She`s reinventing herself for a whole new generation. A nasty judge on "America`s Next Top Model." A crazy cast mate on VH1`s "The Surreal Life." Now, she`s putting it all on the line with her own modeling agency and her own show. Dickinson, still making waves, and for thousands of wannabe models, she could be their meal ticket.
Divorce, drug abuse and more plastic surgeries than she can count. Get ready to be blunt. Janice Dickinson here for the full hour for honest questions.
BECK: Janice Dickinson. For the full hour.
DICKINSON: Hi, thanks for having me, Glenn.
BECK: You bet. I don`t even know where to begin. Because you have led such a fascinating life. Let`s start kind of at where you are now. Let`s start at the end, if you will.
DICKINSON: The end? This is the beginning.
BECK: Not the end of the life. But start where you`re at now. You`ve got season two of your television show on Oxygen.
BECK: Coming now. Just getting ready to start again?
DICKINSON: January 10 on the great Oxygen network, for women, operated by women. I love my job. I love working on this network, and I love being a single mom, doing a start-up business, a fledgling modeling agency, and it`s actually working. Trying to find the balance of being a single mom and doing a start-up business, something I never thought or dreamt possible that I would be able to do.
BECK: You are -- and don`t pretend to have seen the show. And I apologize for that. But I`ve seen...
DICKINSON: Are you crazy? I haven`t seen yours either.
BECK: OK. I just wanted to be honest with you.
DICKINSON: That`s all right.
BECK: Your show is, to be honest with you, not one that would be on in my house, because I`ve got three daughters. Hang on. I have three daughters. We don`t put fashion magazines in the house.
DICKINSON: Why? Why not?
BECK: Because -- because I think it is -- for girls, they have such a hard time with body image as it is.
DICKINSON: That`s a big mistake, Mr. Beck, in my opinion. Because you know, the fashion magazine for me has been my dream because of the art of the photograph. For example, "Vogue". There`s some pretty good topics.
BECK: Yes, but let`s not kid each other. See, girls are not looking at those pictures and saying, "Look at the art of this photo." They are seeing these beautiful, striking women that are, quite honestly, most of them need a sandwich.
DICKINSON: Well, well, define sandwich. You know? We can do baguettes or we could do very...
BECK: Come on. You know what I`m talking about. You`re an outspoken -- you`re an outspoken person. You know exactly what I`m talking about.
DICKINSON: Back up. When I was 9 years old I wanted to be Lauren Hutton.
DICKINSON: I wanted to be a model, and I became a model because of the photograph. I grew up with "Life" magazine, "Newsweek", "TIME", back in the day.
DICKINSON: In the late `60s, early `70s. I`m 52. So I was always very aware of journals and fashion magazines.
DICKINSON: I wanted to be that model. So, if your daughters and your son don`t get it in the house, they`re going to get it somewhere else. Why not -- why not afford them that?
BECK: No, no, no. I know that. Don`t you think -- for instance, on your show, correct me if I`m wrong, on your show you have a scale in the lobby of your model agency so the girls can come and weigh themselves.
DICKINSON: Yes. Since like a doctor`s office. It`s a very -- it`s a very medicinal industry. For example, proper diet, proper nutrition. If a girl is unable to lose weight, I get her a trainer. I get he or she a nutritionist. Yes, there`s a scale and there`s also toothbrushes and proper hygiene. Do you weigh yourself every day?
BECK: I do. I do. And you know what? I`ve got to tell you something. I told a vice president of this network the first week that I was here, I had three people come up to me in the cafeteria and say, whoa, three people, three different days, whoa, whoa. You know? Slow down on the blue cheese dressing or whatever.
I finally turned around to one of the vice presidents in the network, and I said, all the women in this building barfing right now? Back off. Don`t ever say anything about my weight ever again.
DICKINSON: Wow. Was she a woman?
BECK: One of them was a women. Two were men.
DICKINSON: Well, you know, if I were there, I would have just backed you right up as far as your personal diet.
DICKINSON: But blue cheese dressing is pretty, you know, filled with sodium.
BECK: See what I mean?
BECK: See what`s happening?
DICKINSON: It`s -- it`s the law of balance.
BECK: You`ve been...
DICKINSON: You know, you slather on the blue cheese, you`re going to gain weight, Glenn.
BECK: I know that. You`ve been around -- you`ve been around television long enough to know you see people on television, the No. 1 response I had from people who meet me in person is, "Oh, my gosh. I thought you were fat. Watching you on of TV." You see me in real life, and I`m a normal sized guy.
DICKINSON: OK. Are you?
BECK: You see...
DICKINSON: Define normal. I don`t know what normal is anymore.
BECK: See what`s happening?
DICKINSON: No. The camera puts on the pounds.
BECK: But that`s my point.
DICKINSON: People don`t know that unless they read it in the magazines. I do.
BECK: You just said that you didn`t.
DICKINSON: No. I didn`t say that I didn`t. I just said what is normal? Define normal. You define normal.
BECK: Not an anorexic weight. You look at women who are on TV. You look at models, they are so bone skinny right now.
DICKINSON: No. This is true. There`s an epidemic of anorexia going on in Barcelona, in Brazil. Girls are dying of anorexia in Brazil. You know, I don`t -- I don`t advocate that for any of my models.
DICKINSON: I don`t hire any of the models if they are anorexic or if a girl has, I believe, eating disorders. I get therapy for the girls or try to help them. Because I was formerly -- I had problems with myself with weight issues so -- I was a ballerina at the same time when I was struggling to be a model. So there`s always that issue of being, you know, fit for dance class and as well modeling industry.
BECK: There`s a huge difference between being fit and being, you know, just starving yourself to be able to...
DICKINSON: Glenn, tune in. See my show. The guys are fit. I put them through boot camp. The guys are fit.
DICKINSON: The girls are healthy. My girls -- I have a 12-year-old daughter. She knows the difference between eating the yolk and the whites. She knows that yolk kind of takes cholesterol, you know, in the latter part of the years. It can lead to heart disease.
DICKINSON: We read about these things in magazines, Glenn.
BECK: It`s gotten ugly.
DICKINSON: No, no, no, no.
BECK: It has gotten ugly already.
DICKINSON: We`re debating. This isn`t ugly. I think you`re kind of cute, and I don`t think you`re fat.
BECK: See. I think you could use a sandwich. I`m just saying.
DICKINSON: Well, thank God I`m not wearing that wedding ring on my finger. Because if I had a husband like you, telling me what to eat. "I`ll eat what I want to eat." Is that you said to the lady in the dining room?
BECK: So, you are -- you are known...
DICKINSON: Do you have a sandwich? I asked for lunch. No one provided.
BECK: You want a sandwich? Somebody run upstairs and get her a sandwich for the love of Pete.
DICKINSON: Turkey, tuna, chicken breast, that will be fine.
BECK: You are known as the Simon Cowell of modeling. What do you think that means?
DICKINSON: Well, I wish I had his bank account. That would be good.
BECK: Yes, I know. Don`t you?
DICKINSON: I was hired on "America`s Next Top Model" because of the books that I`ve written by Miss Tyra Banks to be the authority and the words and insight because I was the world`s first supermodel, having coined the term in 1979.
BECK: You really are the one that coined the term?
DICKINSON: I sure am. Look it up. I`m in the dictionary. Yes, that`s me.
BECK: That`s amazing.
DICKINSON: I coin terms.
BECK: Yes. What other -- do you have other terms?
DICKINSON: I do.
BECK: What other?
DICKINSON: Perfliction. You like that word?
BECK: Perfliction? It means...
DICKINSON: The addiction to being perfect, which is what some people do.
BECK: Very good.
DICKINSON: Actresses, dentists. Stockbrokers. Have to be perfect, perfect, perfect all the time. You know, raising your children without magazines in the house, you know, very perfect in your world.
BECK: No, no. Hang on just a second.
DICKINSON: It is a perfliction thing.
BECK: That`s not -- no, no, no. I`m trying to not -- I`m trying to let my daughters just not have unreasonable expectations...
DICKINSON: Do you let them watch television?
BECK: Sure do.
DICKINSON: See, my -- the daughter -- my daughter`s father will not allow my daughter to watch TV. He just -- he advocates her reading all the time and when she`s -- we have a split household. She`s with me, I let her watch television.
DICKINSON: I think television is good. I think magazines are good. I think all reading is most important.
BECK: Do you find -- do you find that I`m a freak on this issue, or do you hear -- do you hear other people who are raising children and daughters and that`s not -- I`m not coming down on the modeling agency. I`m saying Nicole Richie.
DICKINSON: You`re very controlling with what you -- by not allowing your daughters.
BECK: I really -- I`m a dad. And you know what? It`s not me. It`s their mother.
DICKINSON: Blatant lesbians, if you don`t allow them, like, a sense of fashion or style. Think about it.
BECK: My girls are a -- have a great sense of...
DICKINSON: Do they go to uniform schools?
BECK: One of them does. One of them does not.
DICKINSON: My daughter does. She hates it.
BECK: Yes. My daughter hates it, as well. So it`s not a controlling -- it`s not a controlling thing. It`s just...
DICKINSON: You know...
BECK: It`s a Nicole Richie thing.
DICKINSON: What`s wrong -- let`s get...
BECK: What`s wrong with Nicole Richie? She`s in the hospital at 93 pounds.
DICKINSON: She -- she has problems. She had problems to begin with. I know Nicole. She`s a friend of mine. She was a -- excuse me. She`s adopted. She`s always -- she`s got unresolved issues and she`s had problems. I can`t speak for what her personal problems are, but she has unresolved issues.
And certainly the weight falls prey to it when you`re up all night and you`re partying and you can`t sleep.
BECK: It`s not that hard. You know what?
DICKINSON: You work too hard.
BECK: I think you`re in denial. It`s not that. It is...
DICKINSON: I know her. I know what I`m talking about.
BECK: You know what it is? How many times have you seen her in a magazine where they have pictures of her saying she`s too fat and then they have pictures of her, saying she`s too skinny. How about when is this woman ever just right?
DICKINSON: Sensationalism. Tabloid trash. Just it`s stunning...
BECK: And you don`t think that affects people?
DICKINSON: I know Nicole. And she got the job on "Simple Life", and being on television or having reality show, having survived "America`s Next Top Model", "Surreal Life" and my own show, of course, "The Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency" on the Oxygen Network.
BECK: I`m going to have to charge you for that.
DICKINSON: Hello. No, there is -- there is a credence of just nervousness all the time by having the cameras nonstop. On my show, there`s no script. On her show, there`s no script. But driving around and, you know, farming and just living that celebrity life. It`s nerve wrecking.
DICKINSON: She needs a parent.
BECK: Back in a second. Janice Dickinson, more with her in just a second, the world`s first supermodel.
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DICKINSON: Wait, wait. There`s only one diva in this place, and that`s me. All right. You`re out. You`re out. You`re out. I`ve got two words for people who don`t want to work with me, out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECK: You are -- I mean, just watching that clip, you are less of Simon Cowell, more of Donald Trump.
DICKINSON: I wish I had either one of their bank accounts.
BECK: Yes, but it`s not about the money.
DICKINSON: It`s a man`s world.
BECK: No, it`s...
DICKINSON: Are you referring to me as, like, two very ugly men?
BECK: Wow, wow. That is true. No, Simon Cowell is...
DICKINSON: You know what? At least the Donald and I have, like, fake hair. That`s cool.
BECK: Yes. Looks very real.
DICKINSON: No, this is all -- everything about me is fake, and I`m perfect. Fake breasts, fake teeth, fake nails, fake hair. I`m perfect.
DICKINSON: Why not? I`m on television.
BECK: So am I.
DICKINSON: Well, you don`t need these. I like these.
BECK: I have these, but they`re real.
DICKINSON: After I had my -- after I had my son, you know, and I started to do develop, you know, milk glands for the very first time, I was enjoying, you know, having breasts for the first time in my life. Can I say breasts?
BECK: You can say breast.
DICKINSON: I said breasts.
DICKINSON: So I enjoy them.
BECK: And I do, too.
DICKINSON: After -- excuse me, after I had had them done, I thought I had ketchup on my shirt, because for the first time, people were staring at my chest. I kind of liked it.
BECK: Yes. I don`t think -- I don`t think you had ketchup. You didn`t buy them.
DICKINSON: Of course I bought them. These are store bought.
BECK: I thought these were gifts.
DICKINSON: Oh, these were gifts.
BECK: Those are gifts.
DICKINSON: These are gifts.
BECK: By a boyfriend?
DICKINSON: Yes. A very famous actor that I dated. I`ve dated a lot of actors that have given me things.
BECK: What is your -- what is your...
DICKINSON: Dying to ask aren`t you?
BECK: What is your reaction when someone -- you open up a box and they say, "Boobs. Merry Christmas."
DICKINSON: My reaction?
BECK: Yes. I mean, is that...
DICKINSON: You mean with chicken cutlets or breast implants? Merry Christmas?
BECK: Yes. If I gave my wife...
DICKINSON: Boobs. Breasts.
BECK: Boobs. For Christmas.
DICKINSON: I would say thank you. I wouldn`t have to pay for the operation.
BECK: Can we say that...
BECK: Yes. OK.
DICKINSON: Boobs. (sing) Two giant breasts.
BECK: Right. If I gave my wife a box of boobs for Christmas or her birthday, isn`t that sending a message?
DICKINSON: Yes. If you don`t pre-discuss, "Hey, baby, have a set of (expletive deleted)." You can`t...
BECK: OK. That one we can`t do.
DICKINSON: Sorry. Or you say, "Hey, baby, have a set of breasts." You can`t really -- no. That`s -- I would object...
BECK: You would object?
DICKINSON: I would object. These were discussed.
BECK: May I mention who gave these to you?
DICKINSON: Yes, Sylvester Stallone paid for my breasts when I dated him.
BECK: Right, OK. So he -- so he talked to you about that. How does a guy...
DICKINSON: How would you feel if I were your wife and I said, "Here, have a penis."
BECK: I would say no. I would say, no.
DICKINSON: Or grow a (expletive deleted)? Can I say that?
BECK: No, you can`t say that.
DICKINSON: You can`t? I don`t know what. I`m sorry.
BECK: This has spiraled out of control quickly.
DICKINSON: Sorry. Well, I`m just -- you know, I`m turning the...
BECK: Yes. You`re trying to turn the tables on me.
DICKINSON: How do you react to it unless you pre-discuss the breast order?
BECK: How does a guy suddenly bring that up to a woman?
DICKINSON: Well, sometimes girls hint. "You know, honey, I`d really like to" -- you know. I`ve heard it all.
BECK: Is that what happened with you?
DICKINSON: No, no. We discussed it.
BECK: So how did it come up?
DICKINSON: I discussed it. I said, "I think I would look better with a set of nice breasts."
And he said, "Yes, yes, yes." And voila.
BECK: Did you help pick them out?
DICKINSON: Oh, absolutely. We`re not even going do go but, you know, you know, chicken cutlets. When I was growing up, I would stuff my bra with socks and real chicken.
BECK: and real chicken?
DICKINSON: Real chicken breasts.
BECK: I would hope that...
DICKINSON: Because it was the closest thing to, you know, chicken. Chicken cutlets. Synthetic.
BECK: Did you grow up in a cold area of the country?
BECK: I would hope. That would probably go bad quickly.
DICKINSON: After three or four days -- kidding. Today they`re referred to as chicken cutlets. The silicone inserts.
BECK: Sure. So what have you had done? What have you had done?
DICKINSON: Name it. I`ve had my face lifted, my breasts augmented. I`ve had a bunionectomy and appendectomy. I`m perfect.
BECK: So what -- how do you -- is that because you do what you do? Or you just weren`t happy...
DICKINSON: Have you ever suffered from bad feet?
BECK: No, I`m not talking about the bunions.
DICKINSON: You asked, you know.
BECK: I`m not talking about the bunions.
DICKINSON: My operation started with my feet, because my feet were just genetically stuffed into shoes that were too tight, loping down several hundred thousand miles of runways.
DICKINSON: So it started with my feet.
DICKINSON: After my feet, I had an appendix taken out.
BECK: Not talking about the appendix.
DICKINSON: Well, you`re talking about operations.
BECK: I`m not talking about...
DICKINSON: Get real. You want to know plastic surgery.
BECK: Yes. And what I`m asking you is, did you do this -- I know why you had your appendix out. I assume it wasn`t a weight thing.
DICKINSON: You want to know what have I had done?
BECK: No, I want to know why did you wait...
DICKINSON: Was there a line...
BECK: No, I don`t want to know that. I want to know why did you do it? Was it because of work or is it because it just made you feel better?
DICKINSON: Glenn, I said, after I lactated and I felt more robust for the first time, I felt very comfortable with my body. After lactating because I was flat as a board. I mean, very flat...
BECK: Right. That explains this.
DICKINSON: To be a supermodel, you have to be -- can I finish?
DICKINSON: You just want to cut to chase. I`m 52 years old. Not bad for 52. And I had my face uplifted in order to stay still looking nice for the camera and for myself.
DICKINSON: Restylane, Botox, you name it. I`m the first to sign up for it.
BECK: How do you -- I`m not against plastic surgery. I`m really not. Whatever makes you feel good, that`s great. How do you tell your daughter it`s OK to be who you are? You are who you are.
DICKINSON: My daughter has a really good sense of what`s right and what`s wrong, what`s perfect for her and what`s not right for me anymore.
For example, there`s no way she`ll ever allow me to have any more surgery because I was contemplating having -- maybe I need another facelift. She goes, "Mom, you are not going to be Joan Rivers. No. You`ve had enough."
And so I was like, "You know what? You`re right." Because it can become addicting. I`m not addicted to it, but I could see where, you know, some grotesque faces...
BECK: I`ve seen people -- you go out to Los Angeles, you see people who are monsters, monsters.
DICKINSON: Well, they`re walking around New York City, too.
BECK: But it`s a higher percentage. It`s -- you go out to Beverly Hills and Los Angeles, it`s the land of monsters.
DICKINSON: You`re not an advocate of surgery, plastic surgery.
BECK: Overdone? No, if my wife wanted to have a breast job, fine. I don`t care.
DICKINSON: Mrs. Beck.
BECK: And honey, may I suggest -- no. All right.
Much more with Janice Dickinson here in just a second.
BECK: We`re back with the world`s first supermodel, Janice Dickinson. And you know, it`s crazy, as I said a few minutes ago. I said I think you need a sandwich.
And you said, "Give me a sandwich."
So we brought you a sandwich. She had one bite and she said, "I`m done."
DICKINSON: It was in the break, Beck. Come on. What are you trying to do? Give me a sandwich. I`ll eat the sandwich.
BECK: Eat the sandwich.
DICKINSON: You want a sandwich? You want a half?
BECK: Look at me. Do I look like I need a sandwich?
DICKINSON: If you`re hungry, I say, you know, do what makes you happy.
BECK: Yes, then you`ll have me on a scale.
DICKINSON: Well, not unless you ask. You`re not trying to be a male model, are you?
BECK: But you know what? This is what society is all about. Society is all about weight and everything else. Fat. Look at us. We love skinny. The fatter we get as a nation, the skinnier people like you get.
DICKINSON: You`re kidding me, right? You did not just say that to me.
DICKINSON: The skinnier people like you. What are you talking, "People like you"?
BECK: You are a model. You`re a model.
DICKINSON: I`m a woman with two children at -- and a photographer and a writer. And a philanthropist and an AIDS activist.
BECK: Come on. Come on.
DICKINSON: And I enjoy, you know, my past as being the world`s first supermodel and a writer and a photographer. Now I have an agency.
BECK: Yes, but...
DICKINSON: People like me.
BECK: You`re known for what?
DICKINSON: Being the world`s first supermodel.
BECK: OK. People like you.
DICKINSON: Being really good at what I do.
BECK: People like you, models. The fatter we get, the more obsessed we become with weight, the skinnier our models are getting. To where you...
BECK: ... brought it up a minute ago in -- was it Spain or was it Brazil? Two women come off of the runway and they...
DICKINSON: They die.
BECK: They die.
DICKINSON: They just walk off and die. Back in my day, I just walked off because, you know, for other reasons because the flash and -- too much champagne backstage. Just stuff.
BECK: What`s changed? In 30 years, what`s changed?
DICKINSON: Absolutely nothing. Women still strive to be -- you can`t be too rich or too thin. That old motto that came from, I believe, a Jacklyn Suzanne (ph) novel. You can never be too rich or too thin. You know, the socialite women that starve themselves to get inside of couture dresses that are designed by the coterie. Socialites, come on. It`s a -- the buck doesn`t stop with the model.
BECK: You might have perspective on what changed -- I mean, you go -- have you ever -- you`ve been to the Met and you`ve gone to the...
DICKINSON: Of course.
BECK: ... Museum of Art. You look at the old paintings of big fat women laying on couches. That was the super model...
DICKINSON: Reubenesque period. Reuben -- painting of Reubenesque style. Women lounging or pateras (ph), obese statues and so forth.
BECK: So you`ve got -- you`ve got the women who have fat, that was the image of beauty.
DICKINSON: Not cool.
BECK: What happened?
DICKINSON: Not cool.
BECK: What happened? It was because you couldn`t -- back then, it was a sign of life of leisure and wealth, right.
DICKINSON: Times have changed. Times have changed. It`s a changing of the times.
DICKINSON: Right? Eh? Is it changing of the times? Absolutely? From the `20s, and the `30s and the `40s.
In the `60s, Twiggy, the model, who`s a judge on "America`s Next Top Model", the icon shot by Richard Abernon (ph) and David Bailey (ph), was the first waif pin-thin, stick thin model...
DICKINSON: ... of the day. And everyone went crazy for her look. And since then, since the `60s, there hasn`t been another waif like model, with the exception of Kate Moss, who came along as the heroin chic waif- like model.
BECK: And all I`m saying...
DICKINSON: She is now the No. 1 in the world.
BECK: All I`m saying at this point is I believe I`ve only counted two bites of the sandwich.
DICKINSON: Oh, please. Come on. I can`t talk and eat at the same time.
BECK: Well, I can.
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DICKINSON: Hello. My name is Janice Dickinson. For those of you that don`t know me, I am the world`s first supermodel. I was the hottest girl in the world for a minute.
You`re not being nice to the supermodel. I`m a supermodel. You know, I`m a supermodel. I can`t sit and dig up a garden.
I am larger than life. I have a big personality. Call me a bitch, because I`ve earned my capital B letter.
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BECK: We`re back with Janice Dickinson, whose reality show, "The Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency, airs on Oxygen. You also have...
DICKINSON: But that wasn`t it. That was "The Surreal Life," which I did only for the money.
BECK: This is the one...
DICKINSON: Only for the money. It put my daughter through private education for three straight years, thank you.
BECK: Good for you. That was the one where you were yelling at Omarosa.
DICKINSON: Oh, they didn`t have a show. I wasn`t drinking or sleeping or having sex in the Jacuzzi with Canseco, who destroyed baseball.
BECK: Wait a minute. So you were just acting when you took her on?
DICKINSON: Oh, she was cake. Just like toying.
BECK: Right, no, but did you mean any of that stuff?
DICKINSON: Well, she meant -- she meant calling me the names that she was calling me...
DICKINSON: ... to provoke me calling her words that are atrocities in the English language. She wanted me to call her...
BECK: Well, I want to shake your hand and thank you for that, because I could only scream at her through the television when I was watching her on the Trump show, and she made blood shoot out of my eyes.
DICKINSON: I have children and I have a whole slew of children that look up to me, so I try to, no matter what, I try -- at the end of the day, I look in the mirror, and just say, "Have I done the best job?"
My son said to me when I was doing that show, "Mom, take her down. Come on. You can do it. I`ve seen you do it. You do (INAUDIBLE) come on. Road rage." I said, "No. I can`t do that." Because, you know, I have to deal with the parents on the school yard. So, what`s it going to get me? She`s an idiot.
BECK: Right. Let me take you some place not so nice. Let me...
DICKINSON: Not so nice than Omarosa? There`s no such thing. She`s toxic pond scum. No. No can do.
BECK: Your childhood. And I want to see -- I`m just curious if there`s a connection between what you do and what happened to you as a child. Talk to me a little bit about the world you grew up in.
DICKINSON: I grew up in a family of women. My father had three daughters. And I was the middle child. My father, he was a sailor. My mother was a nurse. I was a latchkey child. My father was at sea most of my life.
He was a very angry, hostile, racist -- you name it, he was that. And I always fought back with the remarks that would come out of his mouth. And they were always disturbing, hearing the things that would just come out.
When I was 7, he molested my older sister. And I was privy to this information growing up for about nine years after that, having to keep a secret of incest in my family...
BECK: Was it -- I mean, not that this makes it any better...
DICKINSON: To my sister.
BECK: I know, but was it a one-time or was it ongoing that you were keeping...
DICKINSON: It was persisting throughout my entire childhood. And I was asked not to tell my mother or, you know, there would be...
BECK: By your sister?
DICKINSON: By my sister and my father. And it was a real prison of hell growing up with this dark secret of having a pedophile for a father.
BECK: Never happened to you or your other sisters?
DICKINSON: No, he tried. He tried with me when I was young, and I just said, "No, hands off," because I was -- I am far too aggressive, not passive, like some people. And so growing up with this hell, I vowed to myself that one day I would tell the secret, not only of him, I would tell it for myself to purge myself of this just vile, violently catastrophic traumatic childhood that I grew up with, and battled a lot of demons after it, to help people, because there are millions of people that have been molested by uncles, cousins, neighbors.
It`s wrong. And I`ve helped a lot of people. And if anyone out there is listening, please just read my book, know my story, that if you are molested or touched in inappropriate areas, please, tell a neighbor, tell a friend, tell a priest. Not a priest, they`re all pedophiles, but tell someone.
BECK: I don`t think that`s necessary.
DICKINSON: Oh, yes, they are. No, I`m serious. Because when I was writing the book, all these pedophile priests were coming out, you know, about four years ago, and I was writing about pedophiles. My father`s a pedophile, and the priests are pedophiles. And I was like, "What is this world coming to?"
BECK: I grew up in a family of abuse myself, not sexual abuse, but verbal abuse. And it started the generation before. It went through my generation. And I`m seeing it passed on in the next generation.
And it is so damn insidious and so hard to stop, especially when it`s -- the verbal abuse that my sisters went through, and they have, at certain times in their life, accepted it, again, a second time around, and I have seen it now being passed on. How do you...
DICKINSON: With your family or your...
BECK: Extended family.
DICKINSON: Your extended family. You stop it, Glenn.
BECK: It`s through uncles and everything else.
DICKINSON: Honestly, you stop it, and do not tolerate it. And have an intervention with the family. Just don`t tolerate it.
BECK: Have done it. Have done it.
BECK: Do you think it -- can it stop? Here, let me go back.
DICKINSON: Yes, it can.
BECK: Let me go back. How much -- and I don`t mean this in an offensive way at all...
DICKINSON: Please, bring it.
BECK: ... but you are this. You have made your living with this, with your body, with your face, with your beauty.
DICKINSON: Yes. Ain`t it great?
BECK: How much of that -- how much of that came from, "Am I ugly?" The ugliness that you grew up with, the twisted sex, et cetera, et cetera, have you linked that at all or...
DICKINSON: There`s correlations to why my competitive drive is what it is, because I was told as a young child that, "You`ll never make it. You look like a boy. You should have been a boy."
You know, foulest, the beatings I suffered, and to prove to myself that, yes, I can make it, because while I was being verbally abused, and witnessed and privy to sexual abuse in my household, I knew in my mind`s eye and I listened to my voice, "That man`s wrong. I`ll prove it to not only him, I`ll prove it to myself, because I can do it, because I know I`m a winner, and I know that I have winning qualities."
And I knew it -- all children are innocent, and children should be just enveloped with love and just tenderness, not hostile, verbal abuse. Abuse is abuse.
BECK: It`s ugly.
DICKINSON: In any way, shape or form, it`s terrible.
BECK: I`m a guy who -- I mean, I`m a recovering alcoholic, and I about destroyed myself...
BECK: ... thank you -- through you name it. Suicide in my family, and I was almost there. I`m a guy who`s into turning points.
You had a rough go in your life on several fronts. Was there a turning point? Where did you say, "Bah, the world opened up for me, and I found myself"? Was there a place?
DICKINSON: Yes, almost on a daily basis, seriously. But there have been, in 52 years, there have been moments where I did hit bottom, with just being tired of my behavior, of the way I was lashing out, because I wasn`t in -- I wasn`t aware of the unresolved issues that I had as a child.
You know, I`ve had hundreds of thousands of dollars of therapy, didn`t help. You know, I was prescribed pills by experts, didn`t help. I abused the pills. You name it; I`ll abuse it. Hair dye, you know, cereal, I`ll abuse it, because I`m an addictive type.
BECK: Yes, right.
DICKINSON: But the pivotal time came when I was 47 and I was in my closet. I had conquered a lot of jobs, a lot of industries, raised two children, but I was so empty inside. And I joined a step program, a 12- step program, and I sought outside help.
BECK: Good for you.
DICKINSON: Thank God for a program of 12 steps, because it saved my life.
BECK: Mine, too. Mine, too. Great. More in just a second. Stand by.
BECK: Back with Janice Dickinson.
I want to just go through a list of people that are in the news that you see all the time on television, and I want to get your thoughts on them.
DICKINSON: OK, Glenn!
BECK: I mean, this is a workout. This is a good workout.
DICKINSON: You bet.
BECK: And when I said that to you in the break, you said, "Oh, please, they`re all people I slept with."
DICKINSON: Oh, God, I`ve slept with the pope. It doesn`t matter. Name it. No, kidding.
BECK: I don`t -- see, I don`t know. You might have slept with the pope.
DICKINSON: Oh, I`m just joking. OK, let`s play your game, Glenn.
BECK: I don`t think there`s anybody on here that you`ve slept with...
DICKINSON: You don`t know.
BECK: ... because if we do...
DICKINSON: There`s time.
BECK: ... you feel free to point this out. Madonna?
DICKINSON: Hmm, what about her?
BECK: That`s what I -- that`s kind of my question.
DICKINSON: My ex-husband dated her, so there`s always this kind of thing for Madonna, you know?
BECK: What does that mean?
DICKINSON: It means, you know, it`s like he had a thing with her before I married him, so she was always the big fish that got away in the house.
BECK: So, in a way, you have slept with Madonna.
DICKINSON: Ew! Ew!
BECK: Yes, that`s right.
DICKINSON: She had hairy armpits, no.
BECK: Oh. Britney Spears?
DICKINSON: I`m so glad she dumped that hick. She needs help, though. Britney needs to stay in the nursery and not party out at night with Vegas with her gal pals. She needs to become a responsible mother.
BECK: OK. Let me ask you this.
DICKINSON: I would help her.
BECK: Let me go on this. Britney Spears going out -- have you noticed how, for instance, Janet Jackson, did you see the picture of Janet Jackson in the tabloids big as a blimp?
DICKINSON: Like a balloon.
BECK: Big as a blimp. I think that`s because...
DICKINSON: She ate too much.
BECK: Next one. No, I think that`s because...
DICKINSON: She stopped doing drugs? I don`t know. What could it be?
BECK: No. It`s because -- you really don`t think that women have so many pressure on them to be perfect and to be thin...
DICKINSON: You don`t think growing up in the Jackson Five household, that it was a joy to be Janet, with Michael as a brother. I`d eat, too. My brother, the (bleep).
No, so she`s thin again. Good for her. You know, she worked out. She trained hard to hawk her album.
BECK: So she ate. So she ate, and he did plastic surgery.
DICKINSON: Ugh, sounds like my family.
BECK: By the way, how is your sister?
DICKINSON: My sister`s wonderful. She`s a great mother. She`s a great sister.
BECK: She dealt with it and got all the demons out?
DICKINSON: She`s perfect. Let`s move on.
BECK: Good. Paris Hilton?
DICKINSON: Great girl. Great girl. She`s turned herself into a brand. She`s a great girl.
BECK: Paris Hilton?
DICKINSON: Paris Hilton is a great girl. She`s a friend of mine.
BECK: Paris Hilton, she`s blonde. She`s thin...
DICKINSON: I love Paris Hilton.
BECK: ... she doesn`t really...
DICKINSON: I`m friends with Kathy, Rick, Nikki. I`m friends with the whole family.
BECK: Right, OK. Paris Hilton is a great girl?
DICKINSON: She`s a great girl. She does what she does. She`s a party girl.
BECK: Which leads to a lot of penicillin.
BECK: I`m just saying.
DICKINSON: Oh, I`m going to hit you for that one. Paris, this is for you, honey. You can`t talk about my buddy, Paris, like that.
BECK: Come on, Paris Hilton.
DICKINSON: She`s a friend of mine. She`s cool. I got nothing bad to say about Paris.
BECK: You don`t think at some point she`s just...
DICKINSON: I`ve got nothing. Listen to me. I have nothing bad to say about Paris.
BECK: You don`t think at some point she`s going to say, "What the hell have I done with my life?"
DICKINSON: She`s going to have fun on the way out. She`s living large.
BECK: So is that what -- no judgment here, is that what life is about?
DICKINSON: Is this the game, you want my opinion on Paris? I think she`s a great girl. I`ve known Paris and Nicole for the past seven or eight years. I used to see them out on the scene. I was the sober driver. The girls would party on down, babe.
I`d be the designated driver, you know, getting tickets for making the illegal left. Everybody else in the car is bombed. I`m like, "Officer, when`s wrong with the story? I`m clearly sober."
Paris has always been very attracted to the limelight, you know, stepping out on the red carpets after, you know, turning herself into that brand, outside of night clubs. She made $35 million last year. She donates a large part of it to charities. I think she`s a great girl.
BECK: OK. Lindsay Lohan?
DICKINSON: I think she needs a little bit of help. I think she`s stepping out in a dangerous field by, you know, going out every night and being unprofessional at work, or so I`ve read.
BECK: OK, wait, wait, wait. So what`s the difference between going out every night for Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan?
DICKINSON: She`s an actress.
BECK: And Paris?
DICKINSON: Lindsay Lohan is an actress. Paris Hilton is not an actress. So she`s made bad -- you know, one or two bad choices in films, but that`s not her field. Paris is a brand. She does perfume. She does handbags.
BECK: So you`re saying her lifestyle is the deal?
DICKINSON: It kind of takes, you know, her lifestyle. She also probably makes about -- I don`t know -- a million dollars a night in Vegas opening there, sitting there in a nightclub per night. She`s not stupid.
BECK: That`s crazy. I didn`t say she was stupid.
DICKINSON: Big money.
BECK: Didn`t say she was stupid.
DICKINSON: Great girl. Wish I could get a piece of the Hilton Hotel chain.
BECK: Oh, my gosh.
DICKINSON: This is your game, my friend.
Let`s play the game. I`ll give you some names.
BECK: Tara Conner?
DICKINSON: Who`s that?
BECK: She`s the Miss USA chick.
DICKINSON: You know, I haven`t been following the Miss USA chick.
BECK: She goes out, allegedly. She`s going out and she`s drinking with Miss Teen USA. She`s underage. Miss Teen USA is underage. They`re having...
DICKINSON: No underage drinking, not in my book.
BECK: The quote is, "She makes Paris Hilton look like Mother Theresa."
DICKINSON: Who quoted that?
BECK: I did. I don`t know who I`m quoting.
DICKINSON: Who said that?
BECK: I don`t remember who it was. She was called out on the carpet. Donald Trump forgave her and said, "Whatever," and let her keep the crown.
DICKINSON: I guess it would connotate ratings, wouldn`t it, just, you know, to drill up all this trash about what she does with underage drinking? But that`s not good, in my opinion, to be a role model to young girls who aspire to become beauty pageant contestants.
BECK: Right. So do you think there is a responsibility for people like Tara Conner or even you...
BECK: ... to be a role model?
DICKINSON: Absolutely, absolutely. I have children, and I became a decent human being when I had my son, because he taught me how to live.
BECK: Yes. That`s funny how children will do that. I did that with my first daughter. OK, back in just a second.
DICKINSON: More sandwich!
BECK: All right, back with Janice Dickinson. She has authored a book on dating, called "Check, Please." I`ve wanted to ask Condoleezza Rice this question. I have a thing for Condoleezza Rice.
DICKINSON: Do you now?
BECK: Oh, yes. I think she`s...
DICKINSON: Not stupid.
BECK: Yes, she`s amazing.
DICKINSON: No, you.
BECK: What, me?
DICKINSON: Yes, she`s great. I have a thing for her, too.
BECK: OK. I`m not going to pursue this. She`s just amazing. And one question I want to ask her is, who the hell has the courage to ask you out for a date? Who would come up to Condoleezza Rice and say, "You know, I think I could complete you"? I mean, I just...
BECK: I mean, do you think that`s when`s going on?
DICKINSON: I think something`s going on that`s funny. I think Mrs. Bush is getting a little annoyed that he`s spending so much time with Condi.
BECK: So as a supermodel, what kind of -- did you find it -- I mean, it`s clearly honey attracting the flies, but is it also vinegar? Do you know what I`m saying?
DICKINSON: No. What`s your question?
BECK: My request is, you`re a supermodel.
DICKINSON: Yes, former supermodel.
BECK: Once a supermodel, always a supermodel.
DICKINSON: Thank you.
BECK: So you`ve got this out there, which you would think would be a great blessing for a woman, because, hey, I`m a supermodel, but it`s got to also be a curse when it comes to dating.
DICKINSON: Supermodels are at the top of the food chain, in my book.
DICKINSON: Then you have the others.
BECK: What a surprise. What a surprise.
DICKINSON: It`s just -- no. I mean, well, I had to -- you know, I didn`t have a college education. I just have a PhD in "Vogue."
DICKINSON: Who do I attract? I`ve dated actors, politicians, attorneys, comedians.
BECK: Politicians. Bill Clinton, yes or no?
DICKINSON: I`d love to go out with Bill Clinton, but he`s married.
BECK: That wasn`t the question.
BECK: There was nothing between you and Bill Clinton?
DICKINSON: No. I`d love -- I mean, if he weren`t married and he weren`t such an idiot with Lewinsky, I would have dated him, sure. Pretty smart guy, Rhodes Scholar, no?
BECK: Yes, no, he`s -- no, he`s quite a bright guy.
DICKINSON: See, I need me a Rhodes Scholar.
BECK: So what is your number-one advice for women dating, number one piece of advice?
DICKINSON: Women and men.
DICKINSON: My advice, after penning the book "Check, Please," is knowing how to have the maximum amount of fun on a date with the least amount of pain.
BECK: OK, you know, with 10 seconds left, I`m not really going to pursue that...
DICKINSON: No, it`s about, you know, sticking the money in your back pocket and knowing if the date`s going. Like, for example, this show has been so much fun for me, otherwise I would have said, "Check, please. I`m out of here."
BECK: All right. Janice, best of luck.
DICKINSON: Thank you.
BECK: Thank you very much.
DICKINSON: And, Mrs. Beck, you call me any time, and I`ll give her the name of a doctor should she ever...
BECK: That`s a -- can I have these reduced?
DICKINSON: Oh, no, you did not. No, you did not.
BECK: I`m just saying.