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Can Monsters like John Mark Karr Be Put Away?; Far Right Backs ACLU`s Defense of Bong Hits for Jesus Case

Aired March 19, 2007 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Tonight shocking revelations from -- oh, yes, he`s back -- John Mark Karr. Why is this nut job still roaming free?

And the case of "Bong Hits for Jesus" makes it all the way to our country`s highest court. Why is the religious right getting behind "Bong Hits for Jesus?"

Plus, our weeklong series gets under way, "Special Ops: Combat Search and Rescue". Never before seen video from behind enemy lines. All this and more, tonight.

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BECK: The "New York Post" obtained a bunch of e-mails that John Mark Karr, the dirt bag who made that false confession in the JonBenet Ramsey murder, wrote while he was an elementary school teacher in Georgia.

Here is the point tonight. We`ve got to find a way to lock this guy up right now. If we don`t, one of our kids is going to wind up raped and murdered. And here`s how I got there.

Let me start with this. What do you get when you cross "Penthouse Forum" with "Highlights for Kids"? Answer: e-mails from John Mark Karr. Here`s a sample, and if you`ve got kids watching the show in the room, please be advised. This is -- this gets really nasty. Just put it on pause if you`re watching on TiVo. Let the kids go away.

Here we go. E-mail from March 2001. Karr wrote to his pen-pal, Wendy Hutchens, and this is what he said: "Today, a lovely 8-year-old girl came over to me and started to get into my lap. She ran her legs across me until she was pressing her crotch against my knee. It was sweet to gaze into her eyes. I wanted to kiss her all over her face."

First of all, God bless you if you live in Georgia; luckily, he`s not teaching anymore. You might want to think about home-schooling your kids.

Second, is there any reason that you can think of? If common sense weren`t dead today, this guy would not be walking around a free man. Am I wrong?

John Mark Karr does not deny writing these e-mails, but he did say there was nothing in those e-mails that suggested anything sexual with a child, because, quote, "I detest sexual molestation."

Really, Captain Highpants? Then what do you call this? Quote, "I have a 9-year-old friend who loves to have her feet massaged and caressed. Many of my students are Hispanic. I have had some very affectionate encounters with some of them."

I don`t even understand the Hispanic thing. What, are you an equal opportunity molester?

What are we waiting for, America? Whose child needs to be raped before we say, "Gee, you think we should put that guy away?"

I mean, I`ve been thinking about this all day, and I know it`s not a little like the "Minority Report" with Tom Cruise. It`s a lot like "Minority Report" with Tom Cruise.

But come on. The little ping pong balls have already come out of the machines, and even the creepy bald chick is down in the water saying, "Hello, this guy`s a child molester."

And if you still have doubts, watch this clip and see if this doesn`t make your skin crawl.

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JOHN MARK KARR, FALSELY CONFESSED TO JONBENET RAMSEY MURDER: I protect the children. I`ve been -- I`ve been a teacher for -- this is my tenth year of teaching. I still call myself a teacher.

I`ve heard some people say, "Well, you`ll never teach again." In the profession of teaching, once you`re a teacher, you`re always a teacher.

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BECK: Oh, boy. What do you think? Is the guy, A, a poor soul who just had a really tough upbringing, or B, a sick, demented kid rapist wannabe who will likely harm an innocent child? This guy belongs in prison. The question is, how do we do it?

Even John Mark Karr thinks the answer is B, a guy who should be in prison. In his own words, he claimed, quote, "I am fortunate to be free and not in prison. Yes. It`s quite miraculous."

Yes, John, even Satan can perform miracles, it seems.

So here`s what I know tonight. The only thing currently preventing John Mark Karr from acting out his sick child rape fantasies, I believe, a lack of access. Thank goodness, we`re all vigilant. But it`s only a matter of time before that`s not an issue. Lock him and others like him up, and our kids will be safer.

Here`s what I don`t know. How do you do it? How do you do it? And how are there people in America that still think that freaks like John Mark Karr can be rehabilitated?

He says he "detests child molestation." Of course, he does. That`s because to it`s not molestation; it`s a beautiful, romantic thing. It`s an affair to remember.

You either like having sex with kids, or you don`t. In my world, it`s not really fuzzy. There`s not a lot of middle ground when it comes to child molestation. When will people start to realize that and start calling evil evil and wrong wrong and right right?

Tonight, Marc Klaas. He is the father of Polly Klaas, founder of the Klaas Kids Foundation. Also, Wendy Murphy is joining me. She`s the former prosecutor and professor at New England School of Law.

Marc, I want to start with you. Is there any doubt in your mind that this guy will rape and/or harm a kid?

MARC KLAAS, FOUNDER, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, there`s no doubt at all. This guy has fantasies about -- about murdering little girls. He had fantasies about my child. He had these very same fantasies about JonBenet Ramsey. So it`s only a matter of time before he acts out on those fantasies.

Which is why I think it`s very good that we`re doing this segment this evening. CNN has a world-wide audience. And this guy is somewhere out in the world fantasizing these things right now.

BECK: Wendy, let me ask you the same question and then follow it with where`s "Dateline"? Why aren`t they going after this guy?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, look, I think Marc`s point is a good one, which is your program is kind of like a sex offender registry of one for this guy. And it`s too bad we can`t do this for every person who has made statements that they haven`t yet acted on.

And I know this may sound strange. But the guy has been infamous for a very long time on the world stage, and not one child has stepped forward yet to say, "He touched me."

I think that`s a bit strange. Because most of these types of guy who talk about it, they really do act on it. That`s why on average over the course of a lifetime, a guy who does enjoy sex with children has about 100 victims under his belt, so to speak.

And you know, I worry because we have the ACLU and we have NAMBLA defending the rights of these kinds of people to say whatever they want about what pleasures they`d like to engage in with the child in the name of love and affection. And it`s all about free speech. And nobody seems to care these are the red flags that we`re supposed to latch onto and do prevention work about.

That is all about "Dateline". It`s all about police treating this as the kind of case where they should have a sting operation in case. You dangle the carrot in front of a guy like this. You let him latch on. You plan a meeting space. You show up with a cop instead of a kid and you arrest him. That`s how you catch these guys.

BECK: So -- all right. So I happen to believe, Marc, you -- you know, your thoughts become your words, and your words become your action. This guy is -- it`s only a matter of time. But how do you do this without it becoming "The Minority Report"? He`s not done anything.

KLAAS: Well, has he not done anything? I mean, you know, the intent is there. He`s a walking molestation. He looks at a little girl; it`s a molestation. Every time a little girl crawls up onto his lap, it`s a molestation.

BECK: But isn`t this the kind of stuff that gets us into trouble? I mean, look at what we`re talking about here. I`m just playing devil`s advocate. I think this guy is a danger.

But at the same time, I say to myself, my gosh, listen to the conversation we`re having. The guy hasn`t done anything. We just know he will.

KLAAS: I suspect that he probably has. I mean, he was traveling the world for a very long time, coming into contact with these young girls and actually moving from place to place. So you know, I`m sure that he`s running from something besides his own wild fantasies, because he seems to embrace those.

Let`s only hope that we are able to get him before he does any real harm to a child and then we get him in some place where they`re able to maintain him under a sexual predator civil commitment law so that he never is able to get back out onto the street.

BECK: Wendy, help me out here. I truly believe, again, thoughts become words, words become actions. My thought are why isn`t this guy in jail now? I`m saying it. That`s the action. Convince me this isn`t "Minority Report". Convince me that we`re not on -- we`re not on really spooky ground.

MURPHY: No, I think you`re actually asking an important question, which is can we lock somebody up for thoughts and fantasies? The answer is no.

But we can do things before we lock them up to try to catch them if we think they are the smoke and the fire is right around the corner.

BECK: Wouldn`t that be entrapment, if you targeted him?

MURPHY: No, absolutely not. No, no. I mean, look, cops do this all the time with what are called buy-busts, with drug cases. Right? They try to sell drugs to somebody who`s looking to buy them. They bring powder, not drugs, to the scene, and they arrest the guy. It happens all the time.

It`s perfectly legal. And it`s the way to intervene before, saying, we have to let a child be raped before we can do anything about it.

We can`t -- we have solicitation crimes, conspiracy crimes, attempt crimes. They all take a little extra energy, a little extra resources, but we have them. We just have to make that commitment to the kids.

And you know what else? We have child pornography laws. This guy was charged with child pornography. And he would be behind bars if, oops, the feds hadn`t lost the computer. So you know, there are things we can do.

BECK: Somebody told me that it`s unconstitutional to give a child molester life in prison, that we can`t just change the law and say, if you commit that crime, it`s life. Is that true or false, either one of you?

MURPHY: That`s absolutely false that it`s unconstitutional to lock up a child molester for life.

BECK: Then -- then, Marc, why haven`t we done it?

KLAAS: Actually, we have. The Adam Walsh Children`s Protection Act that was signed by President Bush last summer mandates mandatory minimums, sometimes as high life for the aggravated sexual assault of children.

What it really needs, what that piece of legislation needs right now is it needs funding by the federal government. And I would encourage all of your -- I would encourage your listeners to contact their federal legislators and tell them to fund this bill.

BECK: Wendy, Marc, thanks.

Coming up, "Bong Hits for Jesus". This case is actually headed to the Supreme Court, instead of the kid going to his room. The ruling may have serious legal and religious ramifications. It`s not what you think it is. I`ll have the latest details coming up.

Plus, Penn Jillette stops by to tells us about his new season of his hit TV show, "B.S.", and anything else that`s in mind. Wait until you hear the little quiz I`m going to give him.

And tonight, while everybody is giving you the bad news on the anniversary of the Iraq war, we`ve decided to be different and give you the truth. We begin our weeklong series, "Special Ops: Combat Search and Rescue". We go behind enemy lines with an elite squad, risking it all to rescue our fallen troops, coming up.

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BECK: Do you know what everybody`s favorite coffee shop is now? It`s no longer Starbucks. What is it? Duncan Donuts.

And one of the main reasons why is because Dunkin Donuts is a coffee and donut place, whereas Starbucks has become, you know, this way of life and everything else.

Starbucks is becoming Cracker Barrel. I can`t get to the coffee because I`ve got to go through the gift shop. They`re becoming a gift shop that also, oh, by the way, sells some coffee! What is this?

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BECK: They`ve actually started their new line of music, yes, at Starbucks.

Now, let`s shift gears and go to "Bong Hits for Jesus". That is what Joseph Frederick spelled out on a giant banner that he was displaying at his Juneau, Alaska, high school event back in 2002.

Frederick says that he was just trying get on TV -- what a surprise a teen would want to do that -- and annoy his principal. The event was in honor of the Olympic torch passing through town.

But he ended up igniting what some are calling the most important free speech case since the Vietnam War. I am so sick of Vietnam, and I want to thank everybody who was an adult in the `60s for bringing it to us.

As punishment, Frederick`s school suspended him for 10 days and took away the banner. Now most people would say, OK, small price for a stupid stunt. The ACLU, however, decided that that poor kid`s rights were being denied. He no longer has the right to free speech. Blahdy, blahdy, blahdy.

The courts disagreed, ruled in favor of the school, but then a federal appeals court said that Frederick`s rights were violated. Today, the case was taken all the way to the Supreme Court.

Now, it`s not surprising that the absurdly liberal ponytail, tie-dyed morons at the ACLU are still bummed out that most of the Grateful Dead are, you know, dead. But their crying about cases like this isn`t surprising.

What is surprising is that this time, the religious right actually agrees with the ACLU. Groups like Pat Robertson`s American Center for Law and Justice have actually gotten into bed with the ACLU in this fight. Question: what do they know that I don`t know?

Jordan Lorence is the senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.

Jordan, that`s Christian group, right?

JORDAN LORENCE, SENIOR LEGAL COUNSEL, ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND: That is correct, yes.

BECK: What is it you know that I don`t know?

LORENCE: Well, what is going on out there in America`s schools. And I think this case should have been resolved at a much lower level than at the U.S. Supreme Court.

BECK: Jordan, do you know where this should have been resolved? This should have been resolved in the kid`s house. If I would have brought home a picture of me with "Bong Hits for Jesus", my folks would have said, "What the hell is wrong with you?" And it would have been solved in my bedroom without any dinner. That`s where it would have been solved.

LORENCE: Yes. This was a discipline issue from a kid doing an unruly prank, a sophomoric prank.

BECK: Yes, bad parents.

LORENCE: But unfortunately, what has happened is that the school district has basically tried to swat a gnat with an atomic bomb and to say that anything that a student says that violates school policy they should be able to censor. And we at the Alliance Defense Fund believe that when you expand the ability of school districts to censor, you take away liberty.

And that`s -- most of the cases that are going on around the country are kids wearing pro-life T-shirts or kids trying to define marriage as a man and a woman. They`re the ones that are violating school policy and being censored. That`s why we`re involved.

BECK: But wait a minute. There was just a case, and it`s one of my favorite cases because of what it turned into. There was a girl. I don`t remember where it was. She was wearing a T-shirt that said, "I heart my vagina."

All the girls started to wear those T-shirts. So all the boys decided to wear shirts that said, "I heart your vagina."

LORENCE: Right.

BECK: It got completely out of control. The principal had to call a meeting with all the students and say, "No T-shirts. This is about math and reading. It`s not about your body parts."

That`s -- what`s going to happen if you guys win? How are you going to stop that T-shirt?

LORENCE: Well, what the Supreme Court has said in this Vietnam War case that you were talking about with the black arm bands, the Tinker case, is that it`s to be materially disruptive.

And I think that if a teenager is wearing these sexually provocative T-shirts that they are being disruptive. But when somebody says, you know, abortion is wrong or, you know, marriage is a man and a woman, then they`re being hauled out and had their t-shirts taken off, that, then, I think, is basically not teaching students to be citizens in a free society, to tolerate opinions they disagree with.

And I think it`s very unfortunate that a student speech case is being before the Supreme Court that has such facts of a kid being immature and really not advocating anything. There`s no viewpoint he`s advocating there. It`s not for Jesus or against Jesus or even for drugs.

And I think the Supreme Court -- I was at the oral arguments today -- are striving to figure out a way to resolve this case without trashing the First Amendment.

BECK: What do you think`s going to happen? What`s the fall-out on both sides, win or lose? What`s the fall-out?

LORENE: Well, I think if there`s a loss, it`s going to be a tremendous erosion of free speech rights for students, because school districts can make anything be their policy that they`re advocating or trying to inculcate to the kids and then censor anybody that disagrees.

What I think, and the school -- the Supreme Court justices were kind of trying on for size, different legal theories to narrow what the ACLU was arguing and even what Ken Starr was arguing, which is a pretty extreme club for the school districts to knock down any students.

They were pretty moderate. I think they`re going to come out with a pretty unanimous decision in a direction that will favor free speech.

BECK: I have to tell you, I mean, it`s one -- one reason I just don`t want to send my kids to public school, because they`re already doing it. They`re already showing the Al Gore film at school. And if you disagree with it, you get a lower grade in many schools.

Jordan, thanks a lot.

LORENCE: Thank you.

BECK: Coming up, Penn Jillette stops by to tell us, well, one or two of his ideas on this one, "Bong Hits for Jesus", gun control and global warming.

And Hillary Clinton as Big Brother. An online ad takes a swing at the senator from New York. We`ll show you the video that`s burning up the Web and ask you who`s behind it.

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BECK: Penn & Teller are comedian/magicians who take great pride in calling out high-minded hypocrisy that they see all around all of us. The Showtime series is called "B.S." It starts its fifth season on Thursday with a look at obesity.

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PENN JILLETTE, COMEDIAN/MAGICIAN: I need to get to 124 pounds and 5`4" inches.

Hey, hey, hey! Hey, hey, hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!

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BECK: Joined now from -- from -- what city are you in? Are you in Vegas?

JILLETTE: Las Vegas. Where else would I be, Glenn? Where else would I be?

BECK: You`re an atheist. That`s perfect for you. Penn Jillette.

JILLETTE: Are you kidding? We`re lousy with Mormons here.

BECK: I know. Is it true that you wouldn`t have me over to your house because I`m a religious zealot? I heard that -- I`ve heard that you won`t have anybody who believes in God at your house.

JILLETTE: Have you heard that rumor? Have you heard that rumor?

BECK: I have.

JILLETTE: We can meet at Starbucks and we`d be very happy.

BECK: OK. I just want to.

JILLETTE: I`ll talk about anything.

BECK: OK.

JILLETTE: I`ll talk to you about anything you want to talk about. I`ll talk about the funny underwear. I`ll talk about religion. I`ll talk about politics. We`ll meet at Starbucks. We`ll talk honestly. Without the TV cameras.

BECK: Right. But not your -- not your house.

JILLETTE: Yes.

BECK: I`d have you at my house. I think you`re a nice guy.

JILLETTE: There`s a lot of TV cameras at my house.

BECK: OK. Let me just run down a few things and just get your thoughts quickly.

You got to believe the same way I do, that schools, public schools just stink beyond belief, and this "Bong Hits for Jesus" thing should have been taken care of by the parents long ago.

JILLETTE: Well, sure. Taken care of by the parents. But also, when you`re a free speech nut, which I know I am and I think you are, you often have to stick up for speech you don`t agree with.

As you know very well, I`ve never had a bong hit. I`ve never even had a sip of beer or alcohol in my life. And no drugs. And yet you should be able to hold up signs that say "Jesus is great" or "bong hits are great" or the two together are great.

And if your parents don`t like that, that`s one thing, but I don`t think schools should get involved in that.

BECK: The parents should have gotten involved. Because...

JILLETTE: Sure. I don`t think the parents to be told what to do by force.

BECK: Let me -- let me take you here. I hear from so many people about the global warming thing that`s now being jammed -- I mean, the movie is being jammed down people`s throats in math classes, in art classes, in science and literature, you name it. It is being shown all across the country. And if you disagree with it, your kids are getting a lower score.

JILLETTE: I`m all for that. I just wish they`d show all documentaries in school, especially my movie "The Aristocrats".

BECK: Right.

JILLETTE: I want to see that in every school.

BECK: Right.

JILLETTE: But I think that you have this problem that, when you have public education and people forced to go and not having that much freedom, that you always are going to have to go with the majority. And right now, the majority of people in power tend to be on Al Gore`s bandwagon here. So you`re going to get that.

BECK: You do -- your series, "B.S.", is just -- it`s really tremendous. And it is a fair look. And you really never know what side you`re going to come out on. It starts Thursday.

What is the thing that you have gotten the most mail on, that people have just hammered you for?

JILLETTE: You know, it`s surprising. You know, you started out talking about religion. And what really fills my heart with joy, we`ve done the things that have been on creationism, on real biblical talk, very, very hot topics.

The letters we tend to get tend to be measured and sane and really beautiful celebrating the marketplace of ideas. The fans that have different beliefs than ours are always very...

BECK: We have about ten seconds. What`s the word?

JILLETTE: But the conspiracy people, when we said that on 9/11, possibly the terrorists caused that trouble...

BECK: Yes.

JILLETTE: ... we got all sorts of mail calling us CIA Zionist operatives.

BECK: Al right, Penn. Thanks a lot.

Be back with "The Real Story".

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BECK: Welcome to "The Real Story."

On this program, we`ve done a lot of talking about "sanctuary cities" for illegal aliens lately. Those are the towns like Cambridge, Massachusetts, Newark, New Jersey, or New Haven, Connecticut, where an illegal aliens that are stopped by police are more likely to get sent to a city-sponsored workshop than back to Mexico.

But the real story is, some towns in America actually have what I like to call a spine. They`re trying to enforce our laws. Last summer, after a spike in violent crime was attributed to illegal aliens in Hazleton, Pennsylvania, the city council decided to crack down by passing an ordinance that would deny business permits to companies that hired illegal aliens and fine landlords who rent to them.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I`ve been saying for years, best way to stop illegal immigration not even the fence. It`s to fine the bat crap out of those companies that hire illegal aliens.

Unfortunately, and I know this is going to come as a shock to many people in America, the ACLU doesn`t exactly agree with me. Yes, it`s true. They sued the town on the grounds that -- get this -- the town has no jurisdiction over illegal immigrants in their city. That`s the job of the federal government.

And you know what? As much as it makes blood shoot out of my eyes to say this, the ACLU may actually win this case. It is unbelievable that we can have a town like Hazleton that wants to enforce our immigration laws, because the federal government won`t do it, and 100 miles away in Newark, New Jersey, they`re basically throwing parades for these people. That is the very definition of "united we stand, divided we fall." And right now, we could not be more divided on this issue.

Hazleton, Pennsylvania, Mayor Lou Barletta, he is joining us now from just outside the county courthouse where day six of the trial has just concluded. Lou, what happened today?

MAYOR LOU BARLETTA, HAZLETON, PENNSYLVANIA: Well, again, today, we heard more testimony. The chief of police is on the stand right now and a city administrator testified, as well, as an expert to talk about the impact illegal immigration has on depressing the wages of Hazleton workers, as well as the fact that our population has increased by 50 percent, but our earned income tax has not gone up at all, which would be another indication of an underground workforce that are not paying taxes.

BECK: Last week, is it true that the ACLU put on, what was it, six different illegal immigrants, and they all told their tales of woe to the court?

BARLETTA: Well, they have. And, in fact, some of them actually did not tell the truth as to why they went out of business. Some of the plaintiffs that are suing us, as well as some of the plaintiffs that are suing us who are illegal aliens who did not have to come here to Scranton to testify, which, again, did not give us the ability to cross-examine them, as we have been cross-examined the past six days.

But, you know, all told, I`m fighting for my city. There`s 25 lawyers from the ACLU and Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund. We have five lawyers. They have millions of dollars, and we`re counting on $5 and $10 donations from Americans across the country, but we`re not going to back down, Glenn.

BECK: How do you give? If somebody wants to give, where do they send the money?

BARLETTA: We have a Web site, smalltowndefenders.com, where they can pledge over the Internet or they can simply send a check to the city of Hazleton Legal Defense Fund. And, again, we realize this is going to be a long, hard fight, but, you know, somebody needs to do it. Enough is enough.

BECK: ACLU says this is not your job, it`s the federal government. But if the federal government isn`t doing it, I mean, where do you go? Why is this your job?

BARLETTA: It is my job, because 30 percent of the drug arrests in the city of Hazleton have been illegal aliens. That`s thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars and man hours that we`re using on people who shouldn`t be in the country.

When a 29-year-old in your city is shot between the eyes, I don`t believe it`s federal issue. It`s a local issue. When 14-year-old illegal aliens are shooting guns on playgrounds, it`s an issue in your town. I took an oath to protect the people, and this is not just a federal issue. This is an issue that happening on our streets and in our city.

BECK: Mr. Mayor, we wish you all the best. Thank you.

BARLETTA: Thank you very much.

BECK: Next, got a public service announcement for all Americans. Just because someone is willing to sell you a million dollar home by using some exotic, negative amortization 3/1 ARM loan doesn`t mean you should actually do it. No matter what some greasy banker says, if you can`t afford something, don`t buy it.

Unfortunately, millions of Americans have ignored that little piece of advice, evidenced by the fact that sub-prime loans -- translation, no job, no credit, no problem loans -- make up almost a quarter of all new mortgages in America. Some experts believe now that 20 percent of these types of loans made in the last two years are going to end in foreclosure.

Now, I`m no Alan Greenspan, but I am a thinker. And I don`t think that that`s going to be really good for the economy. The real story tonight, some people are just too stupid to own a home. There, I`ve said it. I feel better. No, I do.

Some people should never have kids. Some people should never own a gun. And, yes, some people should never own a home. That`s just the way it is.

Do you remember back in the late 1990s, before the Internet stock bubble was about to burst, everybody was suddenly an expert, "Oh, let me tell you, I`ve got a hot tip for you." Some people who couldn`t balance their own checkbook were out there buying shares of a revolutionary new company like Pets.com, because they thought it was easy money. Well, we all kind of know how that turned out, don`t we?

But those same people have migrated to real estate and exotic mortgages have become the new Pets.com. On my radio show this morning, I said it`s only a matter time before we start hearing stupid politicians saying, "Oh, these poor people. Oh, we need to bail them out."

Well, I guess I`m not Kreskin. I was already too late. It`s already happening.

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SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: Well, we have to put ourselves in the shoes of a parent signing a mortgage product unaware of a complicated escalating payment formula that has been worked out on some computer, that has balloon payments and prepayment penalties, which includes the cost of taxes, and insurance, and other added-on costs that the owner doesn`t really understand and nobody takes the time to explain.

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BECK: Two things. "On some computer," like it`s some exotic device that nobody has.

Second thing, "The owner doesn`t really understand"? Hillary, isn`t that the key phrase here? You can milk this for all you want, for all the political gain you can get, by railing against the big, bad, greedy mortgage companies, but the bottom line is, it takes two to tango, Hillary. All I`m looking for is a little consistency. Use some brainpower here.

If you want to bailout all the people who bought mortgages they just didn`t understand because they`re too stupid, then you better be willing to bail out all the people who bought into the Pets.com IPO without really understanding bad business model.

But you know what? Maybe there`s a bright side here. Maybe this culture we`ve created, where nobody wants to hear the words anymore, "You can`t have that, you can`t afford it," will finally be broken as children see their parents struggle to pay for a home they couldn`t afford in the first place. Maybe people will finally begin to understand that owning a home is a privilege, not a right, and that privilege takes decades sometimes of very hard work and tough sacrifice, not something that`s done by calling your broker to figure out the highest mortgage you can qualify for.

Maybe this is nothing more than financial Darwinism, where only the strongest survive and the weakest sit in their brand-new BMW that they couldn`t afford, in their brand-new garage, part of their brand-new house that they couldn`t afford, and start the engine, roll down the window, and just start taking in long, deep breaths. Maybe!

Greg McBride, senior financial analyst with Bankrate.com. Where am I wrong here, Greg?

GREG MCBRIDE, SENIOR ANALYST, BANKRATE.COM: Well, the fact is that, you know, subprime lending has been around for quite some time. What happened here in the last few years that`s causing problems is that lenders, they really ramped up the risk.

Instead of just making loans to borrowers that had a shaky credit history, on top of that, they made those same loans without verifying borrower`s incomes, without looking at their budget to see if they could afford higher monthly payments, even without requiring a down payment. And when you couple that together, it`s like driving a car without ever looking out the window.

BECK: Greg, this is really a case of greed in the banks. They all knew what they were doing. These mortgage lenders knew exactly what they were doing, who would most likely default and who wouldn`t. So it was greed coupled with stupidity. Am I wrong?

MCBRIDE: Well, there`s plenty of blame to go around. I mean, the lenders were not very thorough, because this was an effort to grow their book of business. And the risk they were taking was that, they didn`t want to say no if one of their competitors would say yes.

But on the other side of equation, I mean, look, there are borrowers that will drive to the other side of town to save 10 cents on a gallon of gas but they won`t spend a couple of hours on the Internet researching the biggest financial transaction of their lives. And that`s a mistake. That`s a big mistake. And that`s a mistake that`s coming home to roost for some borrowers now.

BECK: Some experts say 20 percent of these loans will end in foreclosure. What does that mean, big picture? I know what that means, unfortunately, for these families that are in on this. What does that mean, big picture, for the rest of us?

MCBRIDE: We`re still talking about a very small segment of the overall borrowing public. I mean, the fact is, right now, you have about 14 percent of borrowers that are accounting for 70 percent of the increase in delinquencies.

So this is still a problem that`s very much confined to subprime. And the fact is this, Glenn: The majority of borrowers, those that have good credit, they`re in a position now where they can actually refinance out of harm`s way, because lenders -- credit is plentiful to borrowers that have good credit. Those are the loans that they want to make. And rates have come down, so a lot of people can refinance and get out of that adjustable 7.5 and get into a fixed rate at a little over 6 percent and avoid that.

BECK: America, do it and do it now. Greg, thanks.

That`s "The Real Story" tonight. To read more about this, visit glennbeck.com and click on the "Real Story" button.

Now, coming up, the bravest of the brave. I`m going to introduce you to the guys who go behind enemy lines to save our soldiers. Do not miss the start of our exclusive series, "Special Ops: Combat, Search and Rescue." It`s next.

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BECK: Tania?

TANIA BECK, WIFE OF GLENN BECK: Yes?

BECK: Do you know, are we members of the NRA?

TANIA BECK: Not that I`m aware of.

BECK: I think we need to become members of the NRA. I think when we bought, you know, all of our guns, and, you know, started building the bunkers and the moats around our house and everything else, I think I said, "I don`t want to be a member of the NRA, because I don`t like my name on anybody`s list." Can you find out, and let`s join. And if they have like super platinum titanium-type level, let`s do that.

TANIA BECK: OK.

BECK: I love you.

TANIA BECK: I love you, too.

BECK: All right, bye-bye.

TANIA BECK: Wow, you know how to talk to a woman.

BECK: Yes, I do.

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BECK: Today marks the fourth anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq. Everybody else on television tonight, I can guarantee you, flip around, they`re giving you nothing but bad news. We thought we would try something different. We thought we`d give you the truth.

There are good things happening in Iraq, as well, and our troops are doing some incredibly heroic things under horrifying conditions. And so tonight, we begin our exclusive series that will take you inside the world of "Combat Search and Rescue." These are special operations men and women who go behind enemy lines -- under fire -- to save American lives.

For the first time ever, our special correspondent Alex Quade was able to convince these secretive, elite units to go on camera to share their stories from the front lines. This is incredible stuff that you will not see anywhere else.

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ALEX QUADE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Downed aircrews, looking for cover. Isolated, in the middle of a war zone. Desperate for rescue, before enemy insurgents find them first. Training based on the real thing, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That`s what happened to these soldiers, their Chinook in a sandstorm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were on a re-supply mission. Dust and the sand -- the aircraft started to roll. We really didn`t have time to think,. We had to ground the aircraft, roll over onto its right side.

QUADE: Two combat search and rescue helicopters, known as jollys (ph), responded. Pilot, call sign Shrimp.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They worried that you wouldn`t come get them because of the sandstorm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That crashed helicopter is like a beacon to the insurgents. They will definitely descend on that, and they would have became POWs.

QUADE: So Shrimp and the second jolly, piloted by Chef, flew into the same sandstorm that took the Chinook out.

(on screen): How difficult were the conditions?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s kind of like being in a heavy rainstorm without the windshield wipers on.

QUADE (voice-over): The soldiers injured, but alive, waiting for the pararescuemen, or PJs, just like they`ve learned.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The PJs run out, armed, you know, to the teeth. They kind of drag them back to the aircraft, you know, because we need to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sight of these guys coming in, those two aircraft coming in to pick us up, that was the best sights I`ve ever seen in my life.

QUADE: It was the best sight, too, during a different incident for a shaken-up Master Sergeant Jeff Gore, cousin of former Vice President Al Gore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we picked him up, he just watched a very close friend of his die.

QUADE: Pilot, call sign Eeyore, picked Gore up after a fatal convoy attack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, he was just another serviceman on the field of battle who was injured. And it was our job to take care of him.

QUADE: PJs treated Gore in flight to the CSH, Combat Support Hospital Baghdad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took the time, as he went by, to give me the thumbs up. And I saw him say, "Thank you," as he passed the cockpit.

QUADE: Later, the PJs who treated Gore went on to ground rescue and recovery back home.

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, breaking news, and it`s tragic news from high atop Oregon`s Mount Hood.

QUADE: Their photos of this high-risk mission seen now for the first time. PJ Mark.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn`t have to be overseas to make it dangerous. It`s one of those careers where a few miles away from home base can be dangerous.

QUADE: The PJ`s war experiences, from Iraq to the mountains of Afghanistan, prepared them for this challenge. And the challenges don`t end once they`re back in the helicopter.

Remember pilot Shrimp and Chef rescuing those soldiers in that sandstorm? They now face an insurgent ambush, the events sketched by one of their co-pilots.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re being engaged.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Multiple missiles fired from shoulder of insurgents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Corkscrew missiles come up. I kind of break to the right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was being shot at. And the only thing I knew to do at that time was to turn back into it and put as many rounds in that area that I could.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He fired a .50 caliber. The .50 caliber is a very intimidating weapon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I`m being all I can be on the controls trying to evade the missiles coming in at, you know, plus mach two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Almost immediately, he gets to come out the left- hand side of his aircraft. I did the same for him. I just opened up the .50 caliber.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We evaded the missiles, broke hard, banked, caught our breath, and flew the rest of the way back to our base, and delivered the five individuals to the hospital.

QUADE: These are their night scope photos landing at Balad Air Base, delivering the soldiers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seemed like one of the longest nights of my life.

QUADE: The soldier most injured, Specialist Roxanne Shim (ph), now back home with her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was wonderful. She walked in and she went, "Mom?" You know, she couldn`t believe it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that we`re going to go through some hard stuff, but that`s why we do it.

QUADE: They`re doing it in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say the two soldiers have been recovered. The crash site has been secured.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both of the soldiers were recovered.

QUADE: Combat search and rescue men, ready for the next call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a recovery operation going on...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it happened once, there`s a very good chance it could happen again.

QUADE: Alex Quade, for GLENN BECK, Avon Park Air Force Range, Florida.

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BECK: Finally the truth. Tomorrow night, our week-long series continues when we bring you the stories of daring rescues in hostile urban environments where the citizens are armed to the teeth, tomorrow. Back in a minute.

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BECK: All right, let`s go to the e-mail. Greg writes in, "Glenn, is there more bad blood between Hillary and Obama or the Shias and Sunnis?"

Greg, I don`t know. I mean, it`s closer than you would apparently think. Remember, it`s only March of 2007. Today, the talk was of a commercial that popped up on YouTube. Here`s a clip.

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SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: ... November 2008...

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BECK: You know, when I first saw that, I thought, "Wow, that`s a really good remake of that famous Apple computer Super Bowl spot. Must have cost a fortune."

Actually, it`s the exact same video, with Hillary`s face superimposed on the screen. And already on YouTube, you can see other versions with Obama`s face on or, you know -- I would like to see one with my face on the screen, except I`m going to catch the hammer in my mouth and spit it back at the lady. Wouldn`t that be good, knock her little Hooter`s uniform off like the evil corporate monolith that I am? In fact, I`ll give you the audio, and you do this, and when you have it done, you just e-mail the link GlennBeck@CNN.com. But here`s the face that you would use. There, and you make that into a commercial.

Now, Obama`s campaign said that have no idea who did it, but it brings up two important points about the Internet age we`re living in. One, as some have suggested, if somebody in Obama`s camp had a hand in this, it kind of shows the campaigns can do this sort of thing, keep their hands totally clean. All the dirt they want to release can be put out there with no filter and no fingerprints.

Two, the more likely scenario is Obama had no idea. I mean, why would he want to stir this sort of stuff up so early? And if that`s true, it shows campaigns cannot control the message anymore. That should make for a very interesting next year and a half.

Derrick in Tampa writes in, "Glenn, do you think Phil Spector knows what happened? I mean, I don`t mean about the murder, I mean his hair. Does he know how ridiculous he looks?"

Well, Derrick, let`s take a look at his hair. Honestly, I don`t know how he couldn`t. I think his hair may be his entire defense. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, could a guy with hair that looks like this actually be the murderer?

In fact, if I were the judge, I`d do a full search of the hair for weapons before he even is allowed in the courtroom. But, you know, maybe that`s just me.

You can e-mail your hair or your links to GlennBeck@CNN.com. We`ll see you back here tomorrow night and on the radio tomorrow morning. Until then, from New York, good night.

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