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Which Candidate is Best for Security?; Congress Plays Football with War Funding; Ex-Employee Sue Salvation Army about English Only Policy; "American Idol" Fans Feel Gypped by Special

Aired April 26, 2007 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Democrats square off for the first presidential debate.

JOHN EDWARDS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I`m also thankful that...

BECK: Which one is more likely to prevent another 9/11? I`ll tell you why the answer is none of the above.

Plus, here she is, Miss America. Helping to catch a predator? I`ll talk to John Walsh, host of "America`s Most Wanted".

And with the owner of Girls Gone Wild now behind bars, I`ll have "The Real Story" on this exploitation phenomenon.

All this and more tonight.

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BECK: Is it just me? Did it look blurry enough on that last photo?

By the way, there`s a presidential debate going on right now. No, I`m not kidding. As we speak, the Democratic presidential contenders are debating in South Carolina a mere 18 1/2 months before the election. You didn`t know? I`ll give you a chance to turn the channel. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Yes. You`re still here, aren`t you? I thought so.

Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani got the Democrats riled up when he suggested that Americans would be more vulnerable to a terrorist attack with a Democrat in the White House.

Well, here`s the point tonight. Rudy Giuliani was right. Here`s how I got there.

Before all the liberal bloggers who still live in mom`s basement get all bent out of shape, let`s take a closer look at exactly what Rudy Giuliani said.

He said that a Democratic president would wave the white flag in Iraq. Well, that`s true, isn`t it? Harry Reid just said the other day, "War`s lost. Let`s go home." And he`s the majority leader in the Senate. This is the party line now.

He also said that the Democrats would cut back on the Patriot Act. That`s what Giuliani said. Does anybody disagree with that? They`ve already stated that they`d scale down electronic surveillance. And if I hear one more time, "George Bush is listening to my Aunt Marge about her pie recipes," I think my head is going to explode.

Giuliani said that the Democrats wouldn`t be tough on interrogating terrorist suspects. Well, they say they want to shut down Guantanamo. I mean, this is -- they`re lying, too? Does it sound like science fiction to you or just yesterday`s headlines?

Look, I don`t know if any of this stuff would happen if a Democrat becomes president, but it`s not really that farfetched, is it? And if all of those things do happen, then, yes, we would be more vulnerable to a terrorist attack. That`s why Rudolph Giuliani was right.

However, that`s only half of the story. Here`s what everybody in America is missing.

Speaking purely hypothetical and just putting these people in. I mean, you can interchange them for your own, but let`s just say America elects Hillary Clinton. If you elect Hillary Clinton, let`s say we die all after, you know, Tuesday`s the election. On Sunday we all die.

But if we elect a Republican, in the mold of George Bush, then we die? This guy fights the war, but he`s got the hands tied behind his back. Yes, we die, but we die on Thursday.

I made up this chart to help illustrate my theory, and here it is. You have Hillary up there at the top of the doomsday chart. George Bush, his clone would be terror alert orange. John McCain, I don`t know, maybe buy an extra few days. Rudy Giuliani gets an extra week and even with Vin Diesel, who`s at the very bottom, you`ve still got about a month to live. OK?

May sound a tad pessimistic. But we`re goners, no matter who`s in the White House, hypothetically speaking. The point is it`s not a question of if. It`s when. The real question is, who`s going to do the best job of delaying what they`re planning?

You know, I`m sorry to say, it ain`t going to be a mealy-mouthed washy-washy, compromise bull crap fight the war like we`ve been doing that`s going to keep us alive. This is not a Republican or Democrat thing.

You know what? My grandfather was a Democrat. I`d vote for my grandfather if I could. And you know what? If my grandfather were elected, he`d be kicking bin Laden`s ass right now.

Now here`s what I know tonight. I am so sick of these politicians on both sides of the aisle. You know, they`re all taking us to exactly the same destination, except one`s taking us by a train, and the other`s taking us there in a jet. Buckle up, brother. Because unless we start taking this seriously, another 9/11 is on the way.

What I don`t know: do these politicians like the ones who are saying that the war is lost and demanding the immediate withdrawal, do they have any idea of the message that they`re sending to our enemies? The message is basically, "We`re a bunch of French girls. Come and get us, Mr. Frenchie Frenchman."

Joining me now is Peter Brooks, senior fellow from the Heritage Foundation.

Peter, where am I wrong?

PETER BROOKS, SENIOR FELLOW, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: I can`t say that you are, Glenn. I mean, I think we have two enemies in this war on terror. One of them is terrorism and the other is complacency. I`m really worried about complacency.

I don`t think that it`s inevitable that we`re going to be attacked. I mean, it isn`t by mistake that it`s been five and a half years, Glenn, that we haven`t had an attack here in the United States. We`re fighting al Qaeda in Iraq. We`re fighting terrorism elsewhere.

I mean, the fact of the matter is we have to remember we`re at war. There are people out there that want to inflict unspeakable horrors on the scale of 9/11 on us again.

BECK: OK. Well, what I`m saying here, Peter, is I mean, look, they only have to be right once. We have to be right every time.

BROOKS: That`s right.

BECK: So we are going to be hit again at some point, and it`s not -- you know, it`s not the fault of the Democrats or the Republicans. What it is the fault of is not taking these people seriously.

When I was talking to Rudy Giuliani, he said to me -- I said, "What would you have done with the British sailors? If those sailors were ours and you were president of the United States, would you have handled it that way?"

And he said, "Glenn, no. Because they would have known I was cut from the cloth of Ronald Reagan. They wouldn`t have pushed me there, because they would have known my response."

That`s the difference. And that`s not necessarily a Republican response. That`s just somebody who understands these guys are defeated through the -- through actual strength and the projection of strength. Right?

BROOKS: That`s right. Weakness -- weakness brings on -- is provocative. It allows people to think that you`re vulnerable. We don`t want people to think the United States is a paper tiger. We don`t want them to think that we`ll retreat beyond our borders, because we have interests overseas.

We need to take the fight to the enemy. We have to realize that we are still at war. And if we don`t, we`re going to get sucker punched, and it could be worse than 9/11.

BECK: You talked to Petraeus this morning, did you not? What did he say?

BROOKS: I was in a conference. I mean, he laid it out for all of us, just like he did in the Senate and he`s done elsewhere with the press.

The fact of the matter is, is that we have a real battle on our hands in Iraq. I mean, I`m not going to quote the general here, but as my view is that we`re sending the wrong signals, not only to the Iraqi people but to our enemies and making them think that we are vulnerable, that we are a paper tiger and all they have to do is wait us out. We will leave and they will do their evil -- their evil trade craft.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you, Peter. I`m afraid we didn`t -- we didn`t learn the lesson of Vietnam, and we haven`t learned the lessons of 9/11.

Thanks for being on the program.

BROOKS: Thank you.

BECK: You bet.

Meanwhile, as politicians haggle over the Iraq war funding bill, which is going to make blood shoot out of my eyes, the Senate just approved it. And the president has vowed to veto the thing.

The real casualties in all of this, I believe, are our troops and our vets. They`re the ones who are truly getting the shaft.

Democrats have earmarked for the veterans $1.8 billion towards -- towards the vets in the bill. It`s all really nice, but they know that the president`s going to veto this thing.

I believe they put it in there so the Democrats can then cut a cute commercial saying, "We wanted to give the veterans money. But Bush hates them."

This is why, at least to me, I believe everybody in America would like to see it rain rocks over the Capitol building in Washington.

Joining me now is Steve Robertson, legislative director at the American Legion and a Gulf War vet.

Steve, your son is getting ready for his second tour in Iraq. How sick are you and your family of this war being used as a political football?

STEVE ROBERTS, LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR, AMERICAN LEGION: Well, the American Legion has taken a stand. We`ve developed a resolution asking for the American people to be behind the military in this war on terrorism.

I think you highlighted it exactly right. The military is trained to fight and win wars, and that`s probably one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers didn`t include the congressmen and the senators in the military chain of command.

BECK: You know, I am so -- I have -- I have family serving, and I am -- I`m ashamed at the way we have supported our military. You know, everybody says, oh, we support our troops, yada, yada.

The only way you can support our troops at this point is you either give them everything they need when they need and then give them more than what they need and just fight to win, or you take them home right now. To leave them in -- you want to talk about a quagmire. This is it, isn`t it?

ROBERTS: Well, the military, as I say, is trained to fight and win battles. The word lose isn`t in the vocabulary.

There is no veteran that has ever served in harm`s way that is an advocate of continuing to fight a war, just for the sake of fighting a war. We`re there to win.

Sending out a message that the war`s over, that we`ve lost or whatever is the worst message. That`s telling the enemy that you`ve got one of two choices. Either sit back and don`t do anything and we`ll leave by date certain, or pick up your activities and we`ll leave sooner.

BECK: You -- you`ve spoken to Harry Reid. And I can`t -- you know, I don`t want to say anything bad about Harry Reid, you know, because I don`t know him personally at all, but I can`t -- is he this stupid? Does he actually believe this is the right thing to do? Or do you think this is politics? What has he said to you?

ROBERTS: With all due respect to Senator Reid, and I have the utmost respect for him, I think he`s getting bad advice. Obviously, I don`t get to sit in the classified briefings he is getting so how he claim to -- came to this conclusion is beyond me.

But all I know is that I wouldn`t want him making a half time speech at my football game if we were trailing six to nothing, because he would have us stay in the locker room.

BECK: Do you think there comes a point where Congress has made it impossible to win? I mean, because it`s like you said. Here we are, you know, half time. And here comes the coach coming out and saying, "We got to get out of this thing."

ROBERTS: You have to have your eyes focused on who the enemy is here. We don`t need to be pointing fingers at each other. We need to stay focused on the enemy. Right now, the G.I.`s need their money. They need to money to continue the military operations that they were sent over there to do. To do anything short of that is wrong.

The American Legion wrote to the leadership of the House and the Senate, asked them to pass the president`s budget recommendation. Yes, if they want to add money for military health care, veterans` health care, that`s part of the ongoing cost of war, and it shouldn`t be as a plum or a lollipop to try to get people to vote with them.

I`m sorry. They missed the boat on this one.

BECK: I thank you for your service, sir, and I thank your son and your whole family for everything that they`ve done. Coming up...

ROBERTS: And I wish your family members well, as well.

BECK: Thank you. Coming up, two women are suing their employer because they don`t want to learn English. Who is this ruthless, hateful company? It`s the Salvation Army. I`ll have the details next.

Plus, big "Idol" disappointment last night. I`ll tell you who they didn`t kick off and why so many fans are upset about it. At least Sanjaya didn`t come back.

And you thought John Walsh was tough on child predators. Wait until you see Miss America in action. John Walsh joining me for an interview you don`t want to miss, coming up.

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BECK: An increasing number of businesses, cities and entire states are adopting English only policies, mandating that English be the only language used in the workplace. A lot of people think that`s discrimination.

We as Americans we have the right to disagree about this. Yes, we do. We have a right to disagree about this or anything else. But the solution for changing a law that you don`t agree with isn`t ignoring it. We have a system for legal reform in this country, and I don`t think we should abandon it, at least not quite yet.

Some people have -- seem to have forgotten this in Boston. There`s two women there that are suing their employee -- employer because their employer fired them for speaking Spanish on the job, not English. That was against the company`s new rule, a policy these women were given a full year to comply with.

Now, they`re not expected to become English scholars, but simply learn enough to be able to conduct simple business in the English language. How hateful.

The Equal Opportunity Employment Condition -- Commission -- a federal agency -- is now suing on behalf of these two women, claiming the firing has caused them emotional pain, embarrassment and humiliation.

Oh, and what is the name of this oppressive corporation that fired these women? Oh, don`t you know that it was the heartless monsters at the Salvation Army. Yes, the bell ringers.

Tom Tancredo is a presidential candidate and Republican congressman from Colorado.

Congressman, I don`t even understand this. Are they not a private company and do they not have the right to say everybody here speaks English?

REP. TOM TANCREDO (R-CO), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We should be giving them a medal for doing so. That`s -- that`s the way we should be treating this. Of course they have the right to say so. And of course, it is an important -- it`s an important thing to do from a variety of standpoints.

You started out by saying we all have a right to disagree about these things. Certainly that`s true. In what language? If we don`t even -- if we don`t have -- if we don`t speak the same language, then our disagreements aren`t really understood by anybody, are they, and the other side of this thing?

A language is what holds a country together. It is the glue that binds a country together, especially a country like the United States that is so diverse, that has so many people coming from so many places. It is imperative that we have something that holds us together. It`s called the English language.

BECK: But hang on just a second. You know what? I agree with you 110 percent. But I want to come something even more basic than that. And that is, doesn`t the company have a right -- what is this? Lawyers, lobbyists.

How is the federal government suing a private company for saying, "I`d like to be crazy and make sure everybody can speak basic English here"?

TANCREDO: Well, of course, the federal government has come down on lots of private companies, and that`s what OSHA is about, and EEOC, it`s all to regulate private business in America. It isn`t just public corporations that are -- I mean, it isn`t just the government that is -- that is ruled or governed by OSHA. It`s every corporation in America, every single business in America.

BECK: And unfortunately, we don`t require anybody to learn Latin anymore. Otherwise, we would understand E. Pluribus Unum and what it means.

TANCREDO: Yes.

BECK: Today you met with prison officials this morning on Compean and Ramos, did you not?

TANCREDO: I talked to them on the phone, yes.

BECK: What happened there? These are, by the way, in case you don`t know. These are the two prison guards that are serving -- I don`t know. Over a decade.

TANCREDO: Eleven and 12 years respectively, yes.

BECK: Yes. For shooting a drug smuggler in the butt as he was running. And -- and now they`re serving over a decade in prison. I think these guys are our first political prisoners.

What did they say at the prison?

TANCREDO: Well, what we were talking about is how we could actually get one of them in particular, Mr. Ramos, out of the situation he`s in, which is, unfortunately, solitary confinement for his own safety. He`s in solitary confinement. He was the one who was -- you may recall, he was beaten very severely by other prisoners at the Yazu City facility.

BECK: Why are they in these maximum security prisons? Why aren`t they at least in, you know, some country club prison?

TANCREDO: Right. That`s -- that`s exactly what I`m trying to do is to get him moved from that environment to a minimum security facility, where the population is quite different.

One of the things that they are asking us to do, that is the Bureau of Prisons, is to sort of reduce the amount of visibility of this particular case or these two cases because they say that prisoners see it and...

BECK: The visibility of their face or the case?

TANCREDO: Particularly that. No. The face.

BECK: Because I ain`t letting up on the case. But I`ll stop showing their face.

TANCREDO: Nor am I. But that is what they asked me to try to do. I am -- I`ve talked to your producers.

BECK: Do you believe that or is that an agenda? Do you believe that would be helpful?

TANCREDO: What can I tell you? It`s at least a promise they have made to me to go ahead and try.

BECK: OK. I`ll tell you what.

TANCREDO: I`m not going to say no to it.

BECK: Congressman, here`s what I`m going to do. I`m going to go ahead and I`ll stop showing these two guy`s face on television. But you know what I`m going to do? I`m going to show the other people that are involved in this, and I believe it is Bush and Johnny Sutton. There you go.

TANCREDO: You go right at it, buddy. That sounds great to me.

BECK: Thanks a lot, Congressman. I appreciate it.

TANCREDO: OK.

BECK: Coming up, what did "American Idol" do that last night had some fans crying foul? I`ll tell you about it and have details from last night`s show, although it`s kind of spooky.

Also, John Walsh, Miss America. What do they have in common? Here it is. They`re both out to get child predators. John Walsh will be here in just a minute. Don`t miss it.

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BECK: Last night`s "American Idol" was a two-hour telethon featuring Ben Stiller, Ellen DeGeneres and a really creepy duet between Celine Dion and a dead Elvis. I wasn`t sure which one was -- which one was dead and which one was alive. But that`s -- maybe that was just me.

At least we got to find out who was kicked off the show at the end. Right?

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RYAN SEACREST, HOST, FOX`S "AMERICAN IDOL": Let me explain this. Over the weeks, we`ve asked you to vote for your favorites, and tonight all your favorites are still in the competition. How can we let anybody go on a charity night?

So all your votes are still valid. This week`s votes will be...

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BECK: That`s just great. I was talking to one of my producers just a second ago, and he was -- he actually said that he TiVo`d all the way through it, and he still felt gypped. He watched, like, a minute of it, and he`s still, like, "Come on. I wasted two minutes TiVo`ing this."

Joining me now is the host of "Idol Chat" on the TV Guide Channel, former Idol finalist Kim Caldwell.

Hello, Kim.

KIM CALDWELL, HOST, TV GUIDE CHANNEL`S "IDOL CHAT": Hi, Glenn. You`re so pleasant.

BECK: Well, you know, I`m just honest. I mean, it was, you know, it was nice the charity thing, but screw the starving kids. Kick somebody off.

CALDWELL: Oh, come on -- that is horrible of you to say.

BECK: Come on.

CALDWELL: Let me stop you. I thought that it would have been horrible if they kicked somebody off. I mean, we`re going to make a drama about kicking somebody off "American Idol" when there`s starving children all over the world?

BECK: Yes. That`s exactly right.

CALDWELL: I actually felt better about the fact that they didn`t kick anybody off. And I thought that it would have been very rude and totally inappropriate if they did.

BECK: Yes. No, no. Seriously. That`s what "American Idol" cares about: if they`re rude. You know, that`s what...

CALDWELL: Horrible. Horrible.

BECK: You know what it was? It was a politically correct thing. They`re like, "Hey, we can`t show the starving children and then kick somebody off. Because I mean, it really looks bad."

CALDWELL: I`m sure. I`m sure part of it -- I`m sure part of it was that. I really do. And this was actually the only time that it`s ever been done in Idol history, except for my season when the whole Corey Clark scandal...

BECK: I remember that.

CALDWELL: ... exploded, and nobody went home that week, because obviously, Corey was kicked off the show.

BECK: I know.

CALDWELL: But I actually truly -- I truly did enjoy the show, and I thought that it was really cool. And I thought that it was something that, you know -- that all the big shows should do.

BECK: And that`s why we`re not doing it.

CALDWELL: Right. A big show.

BECK: I know. That`s why we`re not doing it.

CALDWELL: Just kidding.

BECK: I truly, truly, -- like you, truly, really didn`t even watch the show, but I do have this.

CALDWELL: I know you didn`t. That`s why I`m here.

BECK: I want to know this. I have a theory that they`ve just jumped the shark. Because every TV show that`s ever any good when they ever start doing, "It`s a very special" -- then it`s over.

I mean, the next thing is, Simon`s going to, like, adopt his little nephew. Some little -- "I don`t know Uncle Simon. I think she`s mighty pretty." That`s what`s going to happen.

CALDWELL: I seriously doubt that Simon is going to be adopting children from Africa.

BECK: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Hollywood would never adopt children from Africa. That`s crazy.

CALDWELL: I`m talking about Simon Cowell, Glenn.

BECK: No. You know what? He might do it. But nobody would let him adopt.

CALDWELL: Exactly. I mean, at least we hope not.

BECK: Yes.

CALDWELL: The duet. What did you think about the duet? I actually was -- I thought that it was very modern, and it was very new and very cool and unique.

BECK: Modern and new. Yes.

CALDWELL: But -- I wanted to see like Elton John or like Prince.

BECK: Yes. I would like -- here`s what I would like to do. By the way, those are all stars that are alive, Kim. But...

CALDWELL: I know. That would have just been inappropriate.

BECK: I would like to stop having, you know, these -- dead people, you know, drinking Coors beer or singing songs or things like -- maybe it`s just me.

Kim, thanks a lot.

CALDWELL: You`re so silly. Thank you.

BECK: Up -- up next, "The Real Story" on "Girls Gone Wild". Back in a second.

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BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story."

We need to get right to some important breaking news. Joe Francis, he`s the visionary behind one of the most important documentaries of our generation, has been charged with sexual battery. Of course, you probably know Francis as the filmmaker whose reputation for meticulous attention to detail and groundbreaking camera angles led to a total of, I believe, zero awards, but classics like "Girls Gone Wild: College Spring Break," "Girls Gone Wild: Sorority Sweethearts Volume 1 through 4."

But the latest charges are obscuring the harsh reality that America doesn`t want to face. And the real story tonight is that, prison or not, girls are still going to go wild. Locking away the luminaries of this genre just because he allegedly sexually battered an 18-year-old girl -- this guy`s amazing -- he was fined for filming underage girls engaged in explicit sex acts, has been indicted for income tax evasion, and is already in prison for contempt of court, doesn`t mean that girls are suddenly going to turn away from their primal instincts.

While I want this guy to spend as much time in prison as possible, girls are still going to go wild. And no one, not me, not you, not even the state pen can stop them. We`ll keep an eye on this story as it continues to develop.

Next, last night in New York City, three Muslim community leaders held a panel discussion. The topic? How Muslims just don`t trust our legal system. In front of dozens of judges, these leaders explained how their communities often don`t report crimes because they don`t trust the legal process, and they fear scrutiny from the government and the media.

Sound familiar? It should, because just a few days ago we were talking about how many people in the African-American community feel the same way. Did you see the rapper who told Anderson Cooper the other night that he wouldn`t turn in a serial killer living next door?

But it`s not just religions and race that are fed up and alienated. What about the poor? They feel like they`re working harder for less and less. The middle class? They see Social Security going bankrupt, health care costs skyrocketing, the president spending money like he`s Rosie O`Donnell at IHOP. They`re being ripped apart, as well. The rich aren`t happy because they feel like they`re being taxed to death and blamed for everybody`s problems.

Meanwhile, Democrats feel like Republicans have driven this country into a war and want to ruin the environment. On the other hand, Republicans feel like Democrats just don`t understand what we`re really fighting for and want to use global warming as a ploy to create global government and new global taxes. Got it?

The real story is that almost every single American now feels disenfranchised or abandoned by our so-called leaders, and I believe that disenfranchisement has been created by those leaders for their own struggle for power.

For the first time that I can remember in my life, we all seem to be looking for what divides us instead of looking to what unites us. We don`t have political debates anymore; we have political and personal hate. Instead of genuinely trying to understand the other side, we just dig our heels in and get defensive about what our own position is, no matter how much we really even believe in it.

You know, I know it`s been said a million times and it`s a cliche, but Lincoln was right. United we stand, divided we fall. I really believe that. What is the point of tearing each other apart if, in the end, we don`t even have a country left to fight over? Someday, when you can`t sleep, I mean, really can`t sleep, go back and read "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." I swear to you, if you replace the word "Rome," you`ll think that he was writing about us.

But the difference is that, unlike the Romans, maybe a lot of us realize it`s happening. We see the divisions. We see the political correctness. We see the political games. We see how everything is tearing us apart. But now what? Is the end already written, or can we still change the course of our civilization?

With me now is Alan Dershowitz, professor of law at Harvard University, Richard Shenkman, presidential historian at George Mason University.

Rick, I want to start with you. Are we Rome?

RICHARD SHENKMAN, HISTORIAN: Well, no, we`re not Rome. We`re certainly in a lot better position than Rome was, but there are some parallels between the Roman empire and, if you will, the American empire, and here are some of the parallels.

One, you can argue that America, like Rome, is overextended. Also, the founding fathers were very fearful of having a standing army. They believed that, if you have a standing army, you`re going to use it. That`s going to lead to wars. That`s going to create tax burdens. And the people would then have to pay a very high price for having a large military establishment, so they argued against having a standing army.

You can look at Rome and you can say, "Well, their problem was they were overextended. They had a very expensive military operation." That resonates with us.

BECK: You know, I`ve got to tell you. I look more at the Roman coliseum. That`s reality television. Look at what we`re watching for entertainment now. We don`t have actual lions tearing each other apart, but it`s darn near the same thing.

You look at the distrust between people now. Alan, you look at Muslims up in Minnesota. They`re now trying to get -- some are -- a lot of people in the Somali community are fighting against this -- Sharia law. You look at what`s happening in Boston, where you have the United States government suing the Salvation Army that is just trying to ask people to speak basic English to do business. We are dividing ourselves left and right.

ALAN DERSHOWITZ, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL: Well, you know, we`ve always been a divided nation. We`re a nation of immigrants. When Irish-Americans came here during the Civil War, people thought that was the end of America. When Jews and Italians came, when Greeks came, when Asians came, everybody thought it was the end of the world.

Most immigrants groups have assimilated very well. There have been kind of four models. Total assimilation, Scots, Germans. They just assimilate into the population. Jews, others who say, "Look, we`ll become part of the mainstream, but we`ll preserve our culture," Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans. Some groups who want to stay completely separate, the Amish, the Hassidic Jews, some black separatists.

But some Muslims are trying to do something that nobody ever did to America before: They`re trying to take us over, change us, convert us, and make us like them. That`s going on in Europe today. It`s going on in Britain today. It`s going on in France today, and that is unacceptable.

BECK: But hang on just a second. They`re not the only ones that are doing that. There are a lot of people that come to this country and they see us as -- you know, our grandparents came over here, and they saw us as a country that you could live your dreams and you could become America. It was part of the dream to become American. Now, it`s just, "Let me just use this vehicle to get me what I want." And they don`t assimilate. And it`s not just Muslims; it`s a lot of people.

DERSHOWITZ: Well, I see among my students, particularly the newest group of students at Harvard Law School in large numbers are Asian-American students. They maintain their culture. They maintain some of their old traditions. But they mainstream. They become extremely successful. They give back, as well as they take.

They are very, very American, and yet they preserve their culture. They are a model group. There are many model immigrant groups in this country, and there are some who have been less than models, and there are many Muslim-Americans who have done the same thing, come to America for the American dream, but there are some who want to change us and want to make us into their model of Sharia law.

BECK: Rick, I have to tell you, Rick, I don`t want to make this look like it`s the immigrants that are doing this to us, because I think -- look, I think we`ve become a selfish people, that we`re just all looking out for ourselves. We don`t really care -- a lot of people don`t really care about others. We become greedy. We have horrible, horrible leaders.

And the average person is starting to just withdraw and say -- I know I do, as a Republican. I felt so betrayed by the Republicans saying that they`re conservatives -- it`s laughable -- that I think to myself, and I`ve heard this from Democrats and Republicans, why should I even vote? Why should I be involved? How do you reverse this course? And has any society ever reversed its course from here?

SHENKMAN: Well, one of the things that historians try to do is put things in perspective and just say, "OK, the sky isn`t falling. We`ve always had problems. We`ve had disunity," but there is something that is new occasionally under the sun, and here`s what`s new in American history.

If you look back through the course of most of American history, most Americans, most of the time, had great faith in their institutions and in their leaders. In 1960, when Americans were polled and were asked, "Do you believe that your leaders will, most of the time, take the right course of action and do the right thing?" Seventy percent, 75 percent of Americans said yes.

BECK: Do you have any idea what it is today?

SHENKMAN: Sure. Today, it`s down around 30 percent, 35 percent. We had a brief change after 9/11, Americans and the crisis. They rallied around their country. They rallied around their government, and they said that we had faith, renewed faith in our institutions and our leaders, but that quickly dissipated and we`re now back to where we were, and there all kinds of reasons for this.

BECK: OK, guys, thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Coming up, that is "The Real Story." We have John Walsh in just a second. I did promise earlier on the program that we would keep an eye on the girls who have been going wild. The guys in the control room inform me that, yes, they are still going wild. I mean, look at this. This is -- you know, John Walsh is here next. I would like to send him into the control room. He`ll bust half the people that are working in the control room. Back in a second.

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BECK: Hey, quick programming reminder. On Wednesday, May 2nd, we have a one-hour special you have to see. It`s called "Exposed: The Climate of Fear." It looks at the flip side of global warming. Remember, there are two sides to every debate, and you`re not getting the other side on the story. The implications are enormous. Please don`t miss this show.

Now, "America`s Most Wanted" is a program with a mission, informing you about dangerous criminals so we can catch these scumbags and get them off the streets, put them behind bars where they belong. So far, they`ve taken down over a thousand fugitives.

And in a new twist in the show, they`ve now enlisted the help of Lauren Nelson. You might remember her -- I think it was 2007`s Miss America. Along with host John Walsh, "America`s Most Wanted" is now catching sexual predators who are ready and willing to commit despicable crimes against the most vulnerable victims. I want you to take a look here.

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JOHN WALSH, HOST, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": And you admit you came here to have sex with a 14-year-old girl?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not to have sex. To hang out.

WALSH: To hang out? That`s not what you said on the Internet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

WALSH: You were pretty explicit. You said you wanted to do certain things to this 14-year-old girl. It`s a bad day for you, buddy.

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BECK: John Walsh is the host of "America`s Most Wanted." John, thank you, by the way, first of all, for everything that you do for our country.

WALSH: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: Just a personal note. Thank you for -- I spoke to you the day I met my daughter`s first boyfriend. And I asked you, I said, "Can I just say to him that I have a shovel and a big backyard and -- you know, he`ll never be missed and John Walsh will never put my face on TV?" And you laughed, and I took that as a yes, so I told him, and it was fabulous. Every dad should try it.

WALSH: Absolutely, absolutely.

BECK: I`m just saying.

WALSH: I have a 24-year-old daughter, and she`s finally thanked me for terrorizing every boyfriend she ever had.

BECK: Oh, I terrorize.

WALSH: I told one of them, I hunt people down for a living, so I want you to bring this girl back in the exact same shape you`re taking her out.

BECK: Holy cow. How would anybody date your daughter?

WALSH: It`s OK.

BECK: First of all, great use of television. I just think this is a really good way to use television. Let me play devil`s advocate here on this. How is this not entrapment?

WALSH: Well, it is an entrapment, because I`ve been doing this for years. I mean, "America`s Most Wanted" is on because Rupert Murdoch and FOX had the guts to put the first reality television program on, and it`s been supported by fans all over the world, the American public. So that`s the reason it`s on.

Number two, this Saturday`s show is very powerful, with the catching of these four predators, and that`s a legitimate question. But the Suffolk County police who I`ve worked with before, and I`ve done lots of predator stings before it became fashionable, and Miss America, we don`t entice these guys. These are guys that are roaming the Internet like predators, in their own private hunting preserve, looking for that vulnerable person.

So these guys sent explicit messages, knew who they were coming to get, they thought. Two of them sent Webcam videos of themselves masturbating. One of them sent pictures of their genitals. And they came to that house on their own volition, not solicited by Lauren Nelson, Miss America, or John Walsh, or the Suffolk County police. They came there to have sex with what they thought was a 13-year-old girl.

BECK: How do you get permission to put their faces on TV? I mean, what kind of dummy -- I`ve always wondered this, like, about "Cops." What dummy says, "Yes, I`ll sign the release"?

WALSH: Well, they`ve been charged. You know, they`re all alleged to have committed the crime. So, you know, I believe...

BECK: OK.

WALSH: ... we get the bad guys, we get the fugitive, we get the sexual predators. Then it`s up to the D.A., either on a federal or on the state level, to prosecute these guys. So these guys came with the intent. They have the e-mails. Now they look at their computers to see if they had child porn. I would be willing to bet every single one of them. That`s now a federal crime, because of the Adam Walsh Child Protection Act that President Bush signed last July. So now we jump into the federal realm.

So they`ve been charged. They`re going to go to trial, and we get to put their faces on there, because, you know, they did -- you know, I believe, if you do the crime, you`ve got to do the time, although they`re not convicted yet. But most of them sign releases, and, you know...

BECK: Can this be used in a court of law against them?

WALSH: Most of the time, "America`s Most Wanted" isn`t used in a court of law. It`s what they did; it`s the crime. So, you know, I`m a great believer that you`re innocent until proven guilty, and they will find 12 men or women or six men or women or a judge who didn`t see that "America`s Most Wanted" or the GLENN BECK show, and they`ll get a fair trial. Usually they don`t use our recreations.

BECK: I was in Philadelphia. This is a couple of years ago, and some TV station did this, and they didn`t alert the neighborhood. And all the neighbors were like, "What are you doing bringing child predators into my neighborhood?" Have you run up against that at all? What do you do to protect the neighborhood?

WALSH: No, well, we partner up with a really good professional police organization, the Suffolk County Police Department, and John Cowey (ph), the head of that unit, I use them as the gold standard. They`ve been to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, our non-profit in Washington. They`re been trained.

They alert the neighbors that something is going down so people don`t get freaked out, but we usually pick areas that aren`t right next door to a homeowner. I mean, we set up places that look like they`re fairly normal. But I don`t want to see anybody get hurt. I mean, I`ve been doing this for 20 years, and I respect people`s privacy very much.

BECK: So you have -- I mean, you know, you just said it. You`ve been doing this for 20 years. I saw a story with Dog the Bounty Hunter that I just can`t believe. It just doesn`t -- something feels wrong here. You`re familiar with the case.

WALSH: Well, let`s talk about the hypocrisy of the Mexican government trying to extradite Dog the Bounty Hunter back to Mexico. They`re one of the few neighbors that we have that hasn`t signed an extradition treaty. We lent them billions of dollars during NAFTA and tried to get them to sign an extradition treaty, because, when they say, well, we`re opposed to the death penalty, I understand that. Countries have the right to do this.

BECK: Sure.

WALSH: But there are literally thousands and thousands of illegal Mexican criminals -- I mean, were illegals when they were here in the United States -- that have run back to Mexico, as well as hundreds of American fugitives who cross the border.

We caught a guy today, as we speak -- he was on my 12 most wanted. His name is Perkins, and he went to Puerto Vallarta with the girlfriend. He was in federal prison. His son was dying, a son that he never cared about and needed a kidney transplant. And on the way to the hospital, this guy escaped with the girlfriend. And they were down in Mexico.

And the point I`m making is thank God they got caught today. There`s no extradition treaty. It sends a big message. If you want to murder and rape in the United States, if you`re a Mexican illegal, somebody there, or a Mexican national that wants to come back, or you`re an American citizen and you want to run, go to Mexico. So when they sign an extradition treaty, then let them maybe have the right to extradite Dog.

BECK: John Walsh, thank you very much, sir. "America`s Most Wanted." We`ll be back in just a second.

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BECK: All right. Let`s check out the e-mail, starting with Tom in Illinois. "I hear a new planet has been discovered. Maybe Rosie could start a new life there."

That, Tom, is a very good point. However, not nearly as good of a point as Mark in California. He writes, "I don`t understand why the cast of "The View" is a news story. Can you help me here?" No, not really. "Is it just because the media likes to talk about themselves?" Yes. "Even you talked about it. I thought you had a better concept of what`s news and what`s not news." No, not really. "And please don`t do a story on whether or not this is a story. I don`t think I could handle a story of the media talking about themselves talking about themselves and if they should be talking about themselves."

I`m not sure, Mark, but I think I just did that. I`m sorry. There is good news, though. Just like with California and global warming, we have introduced a GLENN BECK program legislation to cap our Rosie O`Donnell coverage and reduce all stories about "The View" by 25 percent by 2020. Those caps, however, will not go into effect and there will be no gratuitous filler video of Elisabeth Hasselbeck that is affected by it. We pledge steep increases in that area.

Kianni writes, "In my science class, my teacher is making us watch `An Inconvenient Truth` and she won`t present both sides. I know, if the climate change people said there was no global warming, they wouldn`t have a job. Help."

You know what? This sort of thing is happening all around the country, and I hear about it on my radio program all the time. Schools are showing "An Inconvenient Truth" like it was one of those scholastic films that we used to watch in elementary school.

Look, there is some truth in this movie. For example, the globe has warmed 0.6 degrees Celsius since around 1880. And there`s a place called Greenland, things like that. But Al Gore also presents a very alarmist view of the issue, and a lot of parents would just like their kids to learn both sides.

Well, on Wednesday, we`re going to be showing the other side in our special, "Exposed: The Climate of Fear," which includes a whole segment dedicated to looking at "An Inconvenient Truth." Now, we had a bunch of requests for flyers that people could print and spread the word about the special, so there is one up now on my Web site at glennbeck.com. You can hang it in your school, you know, if you want, but, beware, you`ll probably be expelled, and, I`m just saying, perhaps accosted by an Al Gore zombie. Not that there are any Al Gore zombies out there at all.

That`s it. Don`t forget the special is next Wednesday. Please, please spread the word, and don`t miss it, "Exposed: The Climate of Fear." You ain`t going to see anything like this on television any place else. We`ll see you on Monday. Good night from New York.

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