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Killer of Jessie Davis Made Stupid Mistakes; Will Swipes at Religion Actually Help Romney?; Judge Throws out Lawsuit Over Lost Pants

Aired June 25, 2007 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a second suspect arrested in the murder of the pregnant Ohio mom. We`ll have the latest details.

And an immigration showdown. The Senate set for another do or die vote. It`s the immigration bill that just won`t go away.

Plus, the verdict is in. I`ll tell you what happened to the man who was suing his drycleaners for $54 million.

All this and more, tonight.

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BECK: Hello, America.

Ohio police have finally found the body of Jessie Davis, that pregnant woman who went missing over a week ago. Authorities have taken Bobby Cutts Jr. and Myisha Ferrell, Cutts`s alleged accomplice, into custody. She`s good looking, too. She`s worth killing for, isn`t she?

They both appeared in court to face charges of double murder and obstruction of justice.

Here`s the point tonight. If this guy did it, not only are he and his lovely accomplice pure unadulterated evil, but they`re also wildly stupid. And here`s how I got there.

Like you, I can`t imagine what goes through the mind of a murder, but at the same time I can`t imagine how somebody who could commit such heinous crimes at the same time screw it up so horribly. Evil and stupidity are a one-two punch in this case.

Why didn`t Cutts just leave a note at the crime scene, telling police what would be a convenient time for them to come by and arrest him? He allegedly killed Jessie Davis in front of her own son. Then he moved the body and left the 2-year-old alive to tell the tale.

Then he used gallons of bleach to clean up the crime scene, a method known to work especially well by cops. Oh, and that`s weird, because he`s a Canton cop.

Then he denied any knowledge of what happened to Jessie until the body was found. And once they found the body, he reportedly said, "Well, I walked into the house and I -- I saw her dying. And I freaked out, and instead of calling 911, my buddies, I decided to dump her in the woods." Sure. Sure, makes sense.

Meanwhile, almost two weeks after the crime, his alleged accomplice still has a house full of bleach. They found her because they could smell the bleach and containers of fabric freshener, but she doesn`t have a washing machine. She says she`s really clean. Dumb as a box of rocks.

Now I`m sure this case is going to continue to unfold. But tonight, here`s what you need to know.

There`s nothing we can do for Jessie Davis now, but her son Blake is thankfully safe. Probably not sound. I can only imagine what scars this ordeal will leave, and our prayers and our thoughts are with him.

However, for any future super criminals out here, here`s a tip for you. Before you commit a brutal double murder, why not catch an episode of "Columbo". You know, maybe some "Matlocks". Throw in a couple of "Murder She Wrotes", the first season. Barney Fife could have figured this one out.

Now let`s hope the men and women prosecuting this case show Cutts and his accomplice how bad your day can go when smart prosecutors happen to stupid criminals.

James Ewinger, he is a court reporter for "The Cleveland Plain Dealer".

James, what happened in court today?

JAMES EWINGER, COURT REPORTER, "THE CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER": Well, today they just showed up, and the judge set bond for them and set a preliminary hearing, at which point he would be able to decide in about ten days it is the evidence exists to allow this to go forward.

However, it may be an academic exercise, because the prosecutors have the power to bring in a direct indictment without waiting for the preliminary hearing.

BECK: OK. How involved is Myisha?

EWINGER: Well, it`s a good question. I mean, you know, clearly, I think that, in a case like this, I`m sure that the prosecution and the investigators hope that the two defendants turn on one another like hungry sharks. But it remains to be seen.

I mean, her culpability here is that she lied or helped cover this up after the fact.

BECK: And the attitude in Canton with the cops? I mean, here is a guy who was a cop. They say, everything that I`ve read, starting with last week -- and I didn`t want to throw this guy under the bus until we had some indication that he was a serious suspect. His profile fits the profile of a guy who would do this.

EWINGER: Indeed. But I must say that, you know, the grandmother, the mother of the dead woman and the dead baby, said that he bore no ill will to the police at all. They were there supporting her. They were there behind her this evening when she gave a press conference.

And she said that it would be utterly unfair to lump any group together, whether you`re talking about the police or a particular culture or a particular race.

BECK: Yes, I actually -- I actually mean about the attitude with the cops. How are the cops feeling, I mean, having this guy? Have you heard anybody say, "Ain`t a surprise with this guy`s history"?

EWINGER: Well, let me say this. That in court today, the police officers who were there and, you know, they`re not normally required to be at a hearing like this, but they were there. And the sense that I got was that it was a show of support for the family of the dead woman and the dead child. And not support for this disgraced police officer.

BECK: OK.

EWINGER: So I think they`re not going to say anything too obvious, but you know, they`re rallying around the victims here.

BECK: OK. James, thanks a lot.

I want to walk through some of the specifics now of the case with Florida prosecutor Pam Bondi.

Pam, obstruction of justice for his good-looking accomplice. What exactly does that mean?

PAM BONDI, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, the lovely Myisha Ferrell is charged with a third-degree felony. It`s punishable by up to five years in prison, Glenn.

You`ve got to know, she`s not charged with accessory after the fact to murder. That`s significant to me, because right now that doesn`t mean they have evidence that she helped dispose of the body or tamper with any evidence.

BECK: Well, she...

BONDI: My guess is that -- my guess is that he made incriminating statements to her. They know that by the cell phone calls. That`s how they tracked her down. And she lied to police.

And that`s very significant, because days went by where they could have found Jessie`s body a lot sooner, but they didn`t because of Myisha`s lies.

BECK: So she was just like his connection for bleach?

BONDI: Well, you know, that`s -- they`re keeping this investigation very close to the vest, which actually, I`m very proud of law enforcement and the prosecutors. I think everybody learned the hard way with Nifong. They`re not talking about the evidence that they have.

So we can only speculate at this point that she wasn`t actively involved in hiding the body and burying the body, or I think she would have been charged with a much more serious crime.

But they clearly went and talked to her, I believe because they found cell phone records with him calling her the night this happened. And she lied to police to protect him. And in doing so, Jessie`s body sat there for days longer than it should have, and we all know a body deteriorates over time. So the medical examiner is going to have a much tougher time, as well.

When this woman could have come forward. She could have done the right thing. She could have told the truth and helped this family get on with their lives and have some type of closure.

BECK: She -- and you know, just having gallons and gallons of bleach doesn`t make you guilty of anything except being weird, especially when you don`t have a washing machine.

But she says -- you know, they -- it`s my understanding that they actually found her because of the overwhelming smell of bleach in her house. And...

BONDI: Unbelievable.

BECK: Which is -- which may go to one of her either family or friends said, hey, you can`t convict somebody on bleach. She`s just very, very clean.

BONDI: Yes, I don`t think that`s going to hold water. And again, we don`t know all the evidence they have, but I wouldn`t be surprised if they are able to add additional charges against her.

They may be able to add tampering with witness -- with evidence. If she helped him watch some of his clothes that had blood on him, if she did help dispose of the body, they could charge her with accessory after the fact. We have to see what they indict her for.

Now again, she may end up being a crucial witness against Bobby Cutts, so she may be a very valuable prosecution witness in the end.

BECK: They`re going after double murder in Ohio, which is the death penalty.

BONDI: Yes. Thank goodness.

BECK: Does Ohio -- does Ohio kill people?

BONDI: Ohio is still a death penalty state.

BECK: No I know that, but do they actually kill people there?

BONDI: I think there`s a long -- there`s a long waiting period, just like in Florida, just like in California. I mean, unfortunately, that`s the way our law is now. But Glenn, at least they have the death penalty.

BECK: OK.

BONDI: And again, we don`t know all the facts, but we do know that he killed an unborn child in the presence of his 2-year-old child. So those are going to be aggravating factors.

BECK: Allegedly. Allegedly.

BONDI: Allegedly.

BECK: All right.

BONDI: He`s charged with that.

BECK: OK. Thanks a lot, Pam.

Coming up, Mitt Romney gets tough as his fellow candidates take some shots at his faith. Funny thing is, I think these attacks are actually going to help him in the long run. And I`ll explain in a second.

Plus, the immigration bill heads back to the Senate. At least both political parties can agree on one thing: we all hate it! This is why it will fail again, kind of. That`s tonight`s "Real Story".

And rock legend Ted Nugent stops by to talk politics, gun control, Paris Hilton. I`m going to try to make his head pop. Yes, I am. Blood will shoot out of his eyes. It`s my goal. Don`t miss it.

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BECK: All right. Coming up a little later in the program, the Senate is gearing up for a showdown over the immigration bill. Are we one step closer to this amnesty monster? We`ll have the latest in just a second.

But first, in a recent speech, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said perhaps the most lucid and intelligent thing I`ve heard from a candidate in a long time. He said, quote, "Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together. Faith started being used to drive us apart."

Amen, Brother Barack.

In this presidential campaign, the religious briefs of the candidates are being used against them, and it is just un-American. There is simply no excusing it.

As we reported, Barack Obama took the first hit months ago when a blog falsely suggested that he was raised with extreme Islamic beliefs. Now Mitt Romney and his Mormon religion are wearing the target. Over the weekend, Romney had this to say about it.

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MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I hope that we`re able to manage a campaign on all sides that focuses on issues and vision and direction that each candidate would take the nation and that we can avoid derogatory comments about people`s faith.

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BECK: When will we, the people, get together and say, yes, we can disagree about the issues facing our country, but personal beliefs are off limits? I mean, what`s next, are people going to make fun of candidate`s mothers?

Let me ask the chief political correspondent for the Politico, Mike Allen, and the director of communications for the Catholic League, Kiera McCaffrey.

Mike, let me start with you. Open season. I mean, this is just too easy of a target, isn`t it? I mean, is this the best they got against Romney?

MIKE ALLEN, THE POLITICO: Well, Brother Beck, you`re right. For some reason, the Mormon Church has been exempt from political correctness. There`s almost no other group that people as free to make fun of or ask questions about as Mormons. Maybe people from Harvard, that`s about it.

I have a close friend in the church, Michael Kennedy, who thinks that there should be a Mormon Anti-Defamation League, the MADL, to push back against this a little bit. And this is what you`re seeing Governor Romney doing, which is very smart.

His campaign from day one has been extremely attentive to either blatant or innuendo attacks, references to his faith. They have pushed back hard, and they have been exacting apologies. And they have been hurting the candidates whose followers did this.

In one case, a local supporter of Senator McCain made a comment like this, and it wound up upsetting the followers of Senator McCain in Utah. So they`re getting response by pushing back.

BECK: So Kiera, I saw your boss, Bill Donahue, on "The today Show" on Saturday. He was talking about something that Robin Williams said on, I think it was Friday night on "The Tonight Show" about Catholics and priests.

And he made a great point. He said, "You know what? We`ll tolerate that when people can feel free to make jokes against Islam."

But there is a different standard. It just depends on what religion you`re in. He said that the reason why people don`t make fun of Islam, but they do make fun of Catholics or Mormons is because they`re not afraid of Catholics or Mormons. Do you think that`s true?

KIERA MCCAFFREY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, CATHOLIC LEAGUE: Absolutely. And you know, I`m proud that people aren`t afraid of violent reactions by Catholics and the same can be said for Mormons, but that doesn`t justify it.

And it`s not that people trying to make inherently bigoted comments. People feel the -- the ability to probe into Romney`s religion, in the case that we don`t see other places. Sure, it`s fair to ask questions about how does your faith, how will that influence your politics? How does it affect your life? Those are things everyone wants to know and Romney should be open to.

However, when you have people like Mike Wallace asking Romney if he and his wife had sex before marriage, come on. This is absolutely across the line. And do we see that happening to any other candidate? No. But for some reason, the religious minority, Mormons, they`re open here. They`re a target.

BECK: See, Mike, let me go off with something that I`m feeling here from Kiera, who is a Catholic. And I think that this thing is going to come back and bite people in the butt, because when it`s all said and done, people of faith, all faiths, feel like they`re under attack.

And I really think, and I`m not -- you know, look, you`re the political expert, not me. I think people are going to come back in the end and say, back off, man. His faith is his faith, and he seems to be living it. Am I wrong?

ALLEN: You know, Glenn, I agree with that, and if you push evangelicals, they eventually say that they would vote for Governor Romney if he were the nominee. In fact, as you well know and you and I have discussed, there are many important evangelical leaders who`ve said that it shouldn`t an issue at all.

But Glenn, unquestionably, polls show that people are skeptical about it.

BECK: Sure.

ALLEN: And I think a much smaller number than the polls suggest. But it is the number that makes a difference.

And this is going to be an election where turning out your base is very important, where Republicans are not psyched about how life is. And it`s just a fact that ministers from their pulpits are not going to be pushing people to go out for Governor Romney. And so that`s something he has to deal with.

But I think the one thing that will alleviate this, as people get more information about why are Mormons exempt from political correctness? And I think one of the reasons is people just-- everybody knows a Catholic. Not everyone is lucky enough to know someone in the church.

And as a result, they have a lot of misconceptions, some of them fueled by the news media, some of them fuelled by entertainment media. For example, some people have the idea that it`s somehow secretive.

In fact, I`ve gone and worshipped at wards here. They will always welcome you. There`s a young lawyer in Salt Lake City, Ryan Bell, who started a blog, RomneyExperience.com, RomneyExperience.com, that seeks to just inject a few facts into the bid, to go into a place, to provide a place where there can be some rebuttal to these incorrect assumptions and ideas and facts that are thrown out in this discussion.

BECK: Kiera, let me just change this, because your faith experiences with JFK. And the big question was, how much of a role does government (sic) play in JFK`s life?

Why is it that people don`t see Harry Reid and Orrin hatch, both members of the same church, and say, "Wait a minute. They don`t really agree on a lot. Doesn`t that say something about the church?" Why do they miss that?

MCCAFFREY: Well, there`s a tendency to sort of overlook the religion of candidates when they`re not always embracing it. I mean, we forget that Catholics are also -- you know, we`ve got Ted Kennedy on the abortion side, and we`re all over the place. So certain politicians.

BECK: Right.

MCCAFFREY: And you know, the same goes true for every religion. But for some reason, when people hold to orthodoxy in their faith, that`s when it starts to be questioned. But it`s important to remember that the general idea here is that it`s these religious conservatives that are going to be so skeptical, but it`s really secularists more than anybody else.

BECK: OK. Kiera, Mike, thanks a lot.

Coming up, a court case that gives a new meaning to the phrase "take it to the cleaners." We`ll have the latest on that ridiculous $54 million pants suit, so to speak.

Plus, think corn is the answer to solving our oil dependency problems? Think again. How much ethanol production will actually cost you. Have you checked the price of milk lately? That`s tonight`s "Real Story".

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BECK: Well, in a verdict that surprised no one, this morning Judge Roy Pearson, who is suing a dry cleaner for $54 million over his lost pants, got a grand sum of -- wait for it, wait for it -- nothing.

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CHRIS MANNING, DRY CLEANER`S ATTORNEY: Essentially, Judge Bartnoff showed common sense over irrationality, and what we have here today is justice done.

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BECK: OK, actually Pearson may have ended up even a bigger loser. He may have to pay thousands of dollars in court costs. Good. And even better, he could lose his $96,000 a year job.

Now, I may not be a fancy old judge like Roy, but I find him guilty of being a moron. Wow. Did I sound like Nancy Grace there for a second?

Sherman Joyce from the American Tort Reform Association may just agree with me on this one, because he`s got a button with pants on it.

How are you, sir?

SHERMAN JOYCE, AMERICAN TORT REFORM ASSOCIATION: I`m terrific, and I agree. And it`s -- I agree with the lawyer for the dry cleaners, that common sense triumphed today. It`s nice to see that happen.

BECK: Please tell me this guy is going to lose his job.

JOYCE: Well, I can`t see -- I can`t see how it`s possible that he could be -- he actually has to be reappointed to his job. He has a pretty major strike against him. I can`t think of a bigger one for a judge.

By awarding costs already, Judge Bartnoff has -- has indicated very clearly that this case didn`t belong there. And I think that, when you talk about judicial temperament and the qualifications that a judge should have, this is a pretty serious strike against you. But we`ll see.

Representatives of the mayor`s office, the city council, and others have to decide, because Judge Pearson is technically, I believe, on administrative leave right now.

BECK: He`s on much more leave than administrative.

The -- the poor dry cleaners, were they compensated at all? I mean, what -- what hell they went through with this guy. I mean, can you imagine what their life was like over a pair of pants? Are they compensated at all or just -- or just do they get their attorney fees?

JOYCE: Well, right now, what they`ve been awarded by Judge Bartnoff is the -- is the actual court costs. The costs have been assessed. So whatever costs they may have had to incur would be taken care of.

But it`s going to be a separate proceeding in front of the judge to see if they can, in fact, recover their own attorney`s fees. And that certainly, in this case, ought to take place.

BECK: Wait a minute, so they`re not even getting their own attorney fees back?

JOYCE: That`s going to be a separate proceeding.

BECK: You`ve got to be kidding me.

JOYCE: Well...

BECK: I`m looking for lost time. Can you imagine what these poor people -- here`s small business people, just trying to, you know, stake out, you know, a place in the world, and they`ve got to put up with a judge like this? I`d go after his house. I think the guy would owe me some sort of compensation for the year of hell this guy put me through.

JOYCE: Well, I think, actually, Glenn, it`s been two years of hell. And this case is the poster child of lawsuit abuse for a small business. You put your finger on what is the most significant issue. You can win a case but lose at the end of the day.

And if, at a minimum, we don`t see an awarding of attorney`s fees to the dry cleaners, to these hard-working people operating a legitimate business in the District of Columbia, you`re really seeing our legal system at its worst.

But let`s give the judge credit. The judge did the right thing to throw the case out.

BECK: Thank goodness. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Now, the never ending immigration bill. Does it have a chance of passing? It`s the story and the bill that just don`t go away. That`s tonight`s "Real Story".

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BECK: Coming up, do you believe in UFOs? We`re going to talk to a British pilot who says he saw one over the English Channel. If you`re still skeptical, he had a plane full of passengers that back up the story. More on this story in just a minute.

But, first, it`s time for "The Real Story." The immigration bill is likely to be back in the Senate tomorrow for a key test. The supporters need 60 votes to invoke cloture, something that really doesn`t mean anything to you and me. It just moves the debate forward. Unlike most votes in Washington, people seem to have no clue as to how this thing is going to turn out, because politicians keep flip-flopping on their positions. Just in the last couple of days, two more Republican senators who actually helped put this bill together are now saying, "Whoa, nothing to see here, people, back away from this bill."

The "Real Story" is that the only constant throughout this whole process has been us, we, the people. When the bill was first introduced, just 23 percent of the American public supported it. But now, after all the lobbying by the White House and Congress, 22 percent, and it enjoys a bipartisan hatred. Yes, it does, Democrats, Republicans, independents, all coming together to reject it. Ask yourself a simple question: When was the last time you remember so many politicians that are so universally disliked taking a stand on an issue that most people are almost unanimously against? It doesn`t happen. Why?

People with a 14 percent approval rating, they just don`t support issues with a 22 percent approval rating. That`s how you lose your job, and politicians really, really like their job.

So why is this issue and this bill so different? Why have spineless politicians suddenly decided, "I found my spine, and I`m going to stand up against the American people who put me in office"? Well, there`s one thing more powerful than voters, and that`s the special interest groups that control the money and the votes. So who`s working behind the scenes with this bill? And what are their agendas?

Congressman Ed Royce, welcome to the program, sir.

REP. ED ROYCE (R), CALIFORNIA: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: I have not heard anyone -- I just said this to -- who was it? It wasn`t Sessions today. I had one of the senators on with me today on the radio program, and I asked him point blank -- yes, Cornyn -- "Senator Cornyn, what`s going on? Who`s really behind this? What is the real special interest here?" Nobody will ever give me an answer. Will you, sir?

ROYCE: I`ll do it, Glenn. The special interests here are two-fold. It is certain businesses that employ illegal labor, and it is also the Democrats who want more voters in their bloc. And if they can get amnesty for illegal immigrants, they assume that they`ll vote in their direction.

BECK: So you`re saying -- OK, would that put Bush just in bed with big business? Because that`s...

ROYCE: That is right. It`s an open borders lobby that includes the president, who has sided with amnesty, and the Democratic leadership, such as Senator Kennedy. Now, as you correctly pointed out, the overwhelming majority of Americans are against this amnesty, as are the former Border Patrol agents who held their press conference explaining the dangers to national security...

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BECK: Oh, these guys are incredible. I mean, they are heroes, and they are on the front lines here in America, and we`re not paying any attention to them at all, or even listening to them. And, meanwhile, our special interest groups -- you know what? Congressman, I truly believe that this -- with Bush, at least, comes right down to the SPP, a taking away of any kind of border between us and Canada and us and Mexico and just one shared border. Am I wrong?

ROYCE: And you notice how difficult it is to get that border fence built even though we`ve appropriated money, we`ve passed the authorization. But here`s the point: If the American public will do what they did last month, which is call their senators -- today and tomorrow morning -- we have an opportunity to stop this bill as it was stopped yesterday. Just remember, a vote for cloture is a vote for amnesty. So call and tell those members of the Senate: Vote no on amnesty, vote no on cloture.

BECK: Congressman, you know what? I`m so disillusioned, because today in "The Washington Times" there was a story that Bush put the Mexican truck part of this bill into the emergency war spending bill. There are parts of the SPP. There`s some really frightening things that they`re just pushing through. If it doesn`t happen in this bill, are you going to be able to keep the American public`s attention on this and say, "Look, guys, they are taking this country onto a highway of Hell, and they`re going to do it -- if it`s not in the open, they`ll do it in the cover of night"?

ROYCE: You know, the advantage, though, of them having tried to pull this in the cover of night is that it`s waking people up to the fact that they need to be involved, engaged, go to those town hall meetings, contact their senators, call them, go to the offices, send them letters, send them those e-mails, because that`s what`s going to turn this around. Last month, you and others managed to turn this around and stop it. Now it`s back on track, but we`ve got to stop it tomorrow.

BECK: OK.

ROYCE: Tomorrow`s the key vote.

BECK: Congressman, thank you very much.

ROYCE: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: Next, last Friday, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced that the minimum milk price that processors pay to farmers for the month of July is up 17 percent from last month and 84 percent from last year. Why is this happening, you might ask? Well, let me take you back to the State of the Union address from last January.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Tonight, I ask Congress to join me in pursuing a great goal: Let`s build on the work we`ve done and reduce gasoline usage in the United States by 20 percent in 10 years.

To reach this goal, we must increase the supply of alternative fuels by setting a mandatory fuel standard to require 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels in 2017, and that is nearly five times the current target.

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BECK: So here`s the real story. Milk prices are rising because cows eat corn. And corn has doubled in price because ethanol was anointed the savior to our oil addiction problem.

But here`s a fact you`re not going to hear at any State of the Union address: To reach the president`s goal of replacing 20 percent of gasoline with ethanol, most of which would have to be corn-based, approximately 270,000 square miles of our country would have to be dedicated to growing corn and corn alone. To give you some idea, here`s a new map of the United States. This is how much land it actually is. Yes, yes, New England, good luck, Godspeed. That`s from Washington to Maine to Ohio. Ohio, I hate to do this to you, but we need to land. But it`s nice to see that, you know, it`s a red state now. That`s just the farmland, by the way. We probably need all of West Virginia just to park the stupid tractors.

It is incredible when you actually look at this on how impractical this solution is. Quite honestly, if planting corn could actually get us off the Middle East teat, then I wouldn`t care if milk costs $400 a gallon. I mean, cows aren`t likely to strap suicide belts on and try to kill us. Well, PETA might actually disagree with that, but this is not the answer to our problem.

Corn ethanol is not a practical solution. It`s a political one. I don`t mean to single out ethanol; I`d just like to for once make sure that we actually solve a problem the right way, you know, the first time.

Global warming is the same way. The government sees a problem. They see some votes attached to it. Then they come up with solutions based on special interest money that end up causing more problems down the road. And then when we realize our mistake, it`s too late. We haven`t noticed yet that government-mandated anything just doesn`t work?

Where`s the presidential candidate who really wants to get us of foreign oil once and for all, the candidate that will stand up and say, "I want to do a JFK moon-shot-type program, and I`ll fund it to find real solutions, not just politically expedient ones"? We all know we need a new source of liquid fuel in this country -- nobody disputes that -- but ethanol just is not it.

Chris Horner is the author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism." Chris, milk, $4 a gallon. Do you blame this on corn?

CHRIS HORNER, AUTHOR: I do, because I read "The Washington Post," because where I live I can`t get "The Times" delivered. And "The Washington Post" in the article you cited said most parties are -- corn is getting all the blame. And after the GLENN BECK show is over, I want everyone to switch over to C-span and watch the replay of today`s events in the Senate, where these large, novelty, oversized ears of corns come down and cast votes to provide all of this port to, not just farmers. It isn`t just the farmer`s fault.

Chuck Grassley, the senior Republican senator on the tax-writing committee, last week said, "I hope you`re not going to blame the farmers." We`re not. We`re blaming the lawmakers who are succumbing to pressure from, yes, the farm lobby, but also big agri-business like ADM. What in the world is ADM doing as such massive political contributor, except that it relies almost exclusively, but greatly, on products that require massive political intervention, as you just described?

BECK: OK. So a farm that big -- I mean, this map is incredible. That`s just farmland. That`s not the houses and everything else. That`s just the farmland.

HORNER: Let`s just remember something, Glenn. We know that weather is always stable; we know it`s always predictable; and we know that severe weather and drought never occur, right?

BECK: Right.

HORNER: And what happens just in case they do? Bad things.

BECK: How do we grow the rest of the food that we need?

HORNER: We don`t. We import it, because there simply is not enough land there to replace our dependence on the technology of the day, and we will remain in the fossil fuel age for some time. Bjorn Lomborg says we didn`t leave the Stone Age because we ran out of stones; we won`t leave the fossil fuel age because we ran out of fossil fuels.

If you want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, a, stop drafting legislation with the groups that brought us dependence on foreign oil, the environmentalists, and, b, reverse this course, where we are the only nation in the world sitting on massive reserves of hydrocarbons, oil and gas, that we refuse to tap because we are too pure, so we`re going to then begin creating these convoluted government schemes like this, leading to, for example, of course, food inflation, fuel inflation, leading to housing price problems.

This factors into whether or not the Fed tightens the money supply or loosens it, which this has economic implications beyond just the food inflation. And it has health impacts, as well, and obesity impacts. This is not just pork.

BECK: Real quick, Chris, I`ve only got about 15 seconds now. A farmer called the radio program today and said to me that, "I`ve sold corn for a lot more than it`s being sold right now." What is the real reason why it`s being jacked up now and it wasn`t 10 years ago?

HORNER: We`re changing food crops into energy crops, and we have a finite number of acres of arable land. And we can clear 50 million acres minimum of forest if you want to replace a significant portion of oil with corn, but that`s not going to happen.

BECK: Can you imagine cutting the forests, what the environmentalists would say then? Chris, thanks a lot.

Up next, rock legend Ted Nugent will join me in the studio. I think I can make his head pop. I`m just saying, between Paris Hilton, gun control, politics, border, I can make his head pop. I`m going to try, next.

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BECK: All right. I`m not going to give you the usual B.S. about, you know, this guest has done all this. I`m just going to introduce you, Ted Nugent.

TED NUGENT, MUSICIAN: Full-time.

BECK: How are you, sir?

NUGENT: I`m on fire. I`m so happy.

BECK: Where do you get a hat like this?

NUGENT: I shot this hat just around the corner here. Actually, you know, I hunt a lot. I do a lot of hunting and fishing. And over the years, I moved to Texas, and, you know, I got a redneck as it is, so I wanted to protect what`s left, and I got this cowboy hat. I thought it was kind of cute.

BECK: I like the cowboy hat. It`s like a janitorial shirt, and then we`ve got the cargo pants and sandals.

NUGENT: Well...

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NUGENT: But I`m a pragmatist. You know, I just wanted to be here. I`m happy. I need barbeque allowed in the car and a dialogue with Glenn Beck, and see you later.

BECK: So you know what? You know what I want to do here? I want to play a little word game with you, all right? I`m going to give you names and events, and you just free-wheel.

NUGENT: OK.

BECK: I want to start with -- because I saw the op-ed piece that you wrote on Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton?

NUGENT: Inconsequential when it comes to any quality of life, but a reminder of how skewered and illogical our court system is and our so- called justice system. I think the hoopla about her jail time or no jail time misses the point that drunken drivers are killing innocent Americans every hour of the day.

BECK: You actually compare her to a terrorist.

NUGENT: I think drunk drivers are terrorists. They`re terrorizing our neighborhoods and terrorizing innocent lives every day. And yet we yawn as if it`s cute because -- well, that drunk driver didn`t kill anybody this weekend. Maybe next weekend. I`m really angry at the inbreeding and the cannibalism in America. And, remember, the good outweighs the bad and the ugly.

BECK: Wait, what does that mean, the inbreeding and the cannibalism?

NUGENT: Well, that we don`t pick quality over offensiveness. The spiritual inbreeding, if you will. The carelessness towards our neighbors that I`m going to get up -- I know you have the same column of the good things. In that good column is the same stuff I have. In the bad, dangerous, illegal column is the same list I have.

I don`t do things in the illegal column. I don`t do things in the column that will hurt someone. I just don`t do them. I do the stuff in the good column, and I`m a goofy guitar player that wrote "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang." If I can do it, nobody has an excuse. So my point is that she`s an example of how cute we make deadly behavior.

BECK: Yes. Let me say two words that I`m afraid to say to you: immigration reform.

NUGENT: We need it desperately, don`t we? And I`ll try to simplify it, because this is a quick show. I`m just a father and a husband and a guitar player. But I have a home, and I think my first responsibility is to secure that for my family. I take care of Shemane and my children.

If I come home and there`s some unauthorized people in there, I`m going to get them out of there. I don`t know who you are, you might be nice, but I don`t know, because you`re unauthorized. Get out!

And then if you want to come in, we`ll see if you pass the screening process of what I think deserves to be in my home. I`d like a commander- in-chief that would do the same thing. I just want security and goodwill and legality.

BECK: Did you see that Ted Kennedy has reframed this, this weekend, or in the last few days as a security reform bill? This is for our security.

NUGENT: See, what bureaucrats call "reform" doesn`t qualify as reform. They probably consider if I played a country link that I was reforming my rock guitar playing. That`s not reform! And what Ted Kennedy thinks of security has got to be crazy.

BECK: What do you think of -- I think America is fundamentally changing. I think that we`re onto the bull crap. I think the Democrats and the Republicans from the same heaping pile of dog crap there.

NUGENT: Yes, but, Glenn, the real horror is that the anti-logic Kennedys and Pelosis of the world aren`t the real curse. It`s the people that still apply logic and goodwill and decency in their lives that are not paying attention, that those are chipping away at this goodness of America, and the apathy that is really hurting us.

BECK: But it`s not just the Pelosis. It`s both parties. They`re taking us to the same destination, one in a jet, one in a train.

NUGENT: The Republicans spending jihad ring any bells?

BECK: Oh, my gosh.

NUGENT: Yes, but let me tell you, I`m a traveling guy. I`m a gregarious guy. I have barbecues in every corner of this great country. The good overwhelmingly outweighs the bad in our country...

BECK: Oh, yes.

NUGENT: ... but the bad and ugly is growing horns like I haven`t seen in my 59 years. So you`re correct about that. But the real answer is to blow whistles, as you`ve been doing, as so many people are increasing their activism, at church, at school, at the workplace. Talk about those quality of life issues.

And it boils down to this. Grasp this one. The guitar player figured this out all by himself. If you don`t care about your health, how dare you ask for health care? If you don`t care about your health, how do you ask for health care? Before you get health care, you`ve got to at least start caring about your health. Am I out of my mind?

BECK: So then you would be a vegetarian?

NUGENT: No, I eat vegetarians. Big difference. Garlic and butter, and I`ll eat it, cabbage and Paul McCartney`s -- never mind. No, the point is, is that there`s a lot of logic out there, and I see it every day. I`m having the greatest tour of my life. I don`t know how I deserve this, but I`m adorable.

And I`ve got to tell you, last night in New York City, Bay City, Detroit, Des Moines, and Fargo, I`m seeing families, little boys and girls, singing my songs because they see them on "The Spirit of the Wild" show, and they like to hunting, and the fishing, and the camp, and the canoe. And I`m seeing a vibrosity and vitality, it`s wonderful. But there is that incrementalism chipping away at the Ten Commandments, chipping away at the golden rule, chipping away at the Constitution, and we, the people, have to get more involved. Activism is the answer, I believe.

BECK: The answer is we, the people. Ted Nugent, thank you very much.

All right, up next, close encounter over England. We have a British pilot who claims he say a mile-long UFO. He`s going to be on the program, next.

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BECK: I believe in life in outer space, but I`m not sure I believe in UFOs, but the next story is pretty convincing. A pilot flying over the English Channel is carrying a planeload of passengers, when all of a sudden he and the rest of the passengers get a bird`s-eye view of an enormous flying saucer. It`s a mile wide, they say. Now, are they all crazy?

Joining me now from London is that pilot, Captain Ray Bowyer. Captain, how are you, sir?

RAY BOWYER, UFO EYEWITNESS: Pretty good. Thank you, Glenn. Hope you`re well, too.

BECK: Tell us exactly what happened. You saw it -- it was a mile- wide, cigar-shaped?

BOWYER: Yes, that`s an estimate, only that, at the moment. We`re looking at some radar plots that might be able to help us with the actually size of the thing. It`s difficult to say how far away it was. However, there`s a possibility that it could have been up to a mile wide, that`s correct.

BECK: Right, OK, this by the way -- there is no video. This is video that we made. But there was nobody with a camera or anything on the plane?

BOWYER: No, unfortunately not. However, there was another aircraft flying fairly close that did see the same object.

BECK: Did you make an announcement to the passengers or did they...

BOWYER: No, I didn`t have to. No, I didn`t have to. They actually managed to see it for themselves quite quickly.

BECK: OK. And then you saw another one?

BOWYER: Yes, a second object appeared about five minutes after the first one appeared further to the west. So, yes, two objects quite clearly visible by some of the passengers on the aircraft.

BECK: Had you ever seen this -- this is a reenactment of the other one -- have you ever seen UFOs before?

BOWYER: I have had a sighting which I can`t explain previously.

BECK: So you have seen them before?

BOWYER: Well, I had one sighting previously which I can`t explain. A few days later, it was seen elsewhere in the area, yes.

BECK: I think that the video is not doing this justice. What do you think it was?

BOWYER: Well, I`ve been asked that question many times since the incident, which is quite a little while ago now. And all I can say to you positively is that I don`t think it`s from around here.

BECK: You think it`s from outer space?

BOWYER: I can`t answer that; I don`t know.

BECK: So it could have been from New Jersey or outer space? I mean, it could be...

BOWYER: Probably Milwaukee.

BECK: Might have been. Has this wrecked your life in a way? Has this changed your life? Are you getting hassled?

BOWYER: Not yet, but I`m sure CNN will do that for me. But, no, it`s been fun.

BECK: No, really, we`ve got a low budget. That`s all it is. Ray, thank you very much.

BOWYER: I didn`t know that.

BECK: I appreciate it, and best of luck to you.

That`s it from New York. Don`t forget, if you want to know what`s happening on tomorrow`s program, you can sign up for my free daily newsletter at glennbeck.com. From New York, good night, space rangers.

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