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Glenn Beck
Encore Presentation: Duane "Dog" D. Chapman: The Hunted and the Hunter
Aired July 05, 2007 - 19:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): He`s considered one of the greatest bounty hunters in the world.
DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER: Go, go, go. Move it. Move it.
BECK: Duane "Dog" Chapman. He`s made more than 6,000 captures in his 27-year career.
D. CHAPMAN: You`re going to jail, too. You`re lying.
BECK: He`s an ex-con who says now he`s on the right side of the law.
But it doesn`t keep him out of trouble. The Mexican government has a warrant out for his arrest for capturing a dangerous rapist when no one else could or would.
D. CHAPMAN: The last thing was Luster, that`s it.
BECK: He`s fighting back, and so is his posse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re like a bad storm. We`ll be there every time you least expect it.
BECK: You can watch the gritty, tough-love approach to catching cons every week on A&E, and you can catch him here tonight for a full hour-long special: Duane "Dog" Chapman, the hunted and the hunter.
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BECK: Tonight for the full hour, Duane and his wife, Beth.
Hi, Beth, how are you?
BETH CHAPMAN, WIFE OF DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN: Hi. Fine, how are you?
BECK: Good to see you guys again.
I`m just going to start -- I`m going to start at the end. Wanted by U.S. marshals. What is it like to have you a wanted man and your child?
D. CHAPMAN: And my brother.
BECK: I`m sorry, your brother.
D. CHAPMAN: We didn`t bring the brothers.
BECK: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, you know, the picture and all that came off the driver`s license, so that`s OK. And they wanted usually, you know, if you did it, it`s OK, also. The underlying charges, underlining charges is what`s humiliating, embarrassing and wrong.
BECK: Yes. It`s amazing, wanted for illegal detention, kidnapping and conspiracy by the American government. So let`s -- or by the Mexican government.
Let`s back up and, for anybody who doesn`t know the story, let`s start with who is Andrew Luster?
D. CHAPMAN: Andrew Luster, in 2003, was convicted in absentia. Absentia means as he was going through trial, he split, said, "I`m not coming back tomorrow."
But the judge said, "Well, we`re still having your trial." And he was convicted of 86 out of 86 counts of rape, poisoning. You name it, he did it, as far as a pedophile.
BECK: Give me -- give me -- it`s one thing to say that. Explain the kind of stuff this guy`s responsible for.
B. CHAPMAN: Andrew Luster was a very arrogant, very cocky, had a lot of money, had been raised as the great-grandson of Max Factor. He was raised around a lot of celebrities. He was, you know, lived in Mussel Shoals, which was outside of Santa Barbara.
He preyed on the Santa Barbara college town, where all of the kids would go to party at night and clubs that were in the local Santa Barbara area.
And he would basically drug these women with the date rape drug, GHB. Most of them had in common remembering this man giving them a glass of water. That was usually the last recollection that any of them had.
And it wasn`t until one of the girls, Shauna Doe, came forward and said, "Hey, there`s something wrong with me. I do not feel right." And she took herself to the hospital, and she took herself to police.
And as people who knew him started getting word that he had been under arrest, all of these women started coming to the police department saying, "Hey, I knew Andrew." And one of them in particular, the police were just like, "Oh, my God, you need to come in, because they had seen her on videotapes."
So, what he`d do is, is he would date rape drug them in Santa Barbara. Then he would drive them back to his Mussel Shoals home, where he would then perform sex acts on them that are those of, you know, necrophilia. I mean, these women are like snoring, asleep, you know, clearly drugged out of their minds, and then he would then rape them. And he would sodomize them and he...
BECK: So, how did he get -- how did he get away from the cops in the first place?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, he was placed on in-home detention with an ankle bracelet.
BECK: How?
B. CHAPMAN: WE all know the ankle bracelet works great.
D. CHAPMAN: His bond was $10 million when he got arrested. Then, he filed for what is, you know, normal course, a bond reduction. So, our Constitution says that, unless you`re -- you know, you`re innocent until proven guilty. So, his bond was reduced to a million dollars.
So the court thinking, you know, this guy won`t run, he`s a multi- millionaire, but the million dollars, if he does run, is going to secure it. So he was like anybody else, you know, charged with a crime and then posted bail of a million to get out.
B. CHAPMAN: What happened then, Glenn, is they put him on this in- home detention on an ankle bracelet and he allowed him out during eight hours of the day, so he planned his escape very methodically. He left red herring clues and on the day that he was ready to take flight, he transferred $300,000 out of his Dean Wittier account. There was all these paper trails to all this money that was being transferred.
BECK: How is this even possible? I mean, how is it even possible?
B. CHAPMAN: He checked in in the morning, pretrial and said, "Hey, I`m going to work on my case." He left for the day, and he didn`t come back in at 8 p.m. at night. So, of course, an alarm sounds at pretrial. They start calling. Nobody`s there, of course.
They send a police officer by 11 or 12. Knocks on the door. Nobody responds. This was a Friday. So nobody followed up with this until Monday, and by Monday, he was gone.
BECK: So then you guys tracked him. How did you find him?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we had several hundred leads. We just started working every single lead, you know, until we visually saw him. But we had leads all over the world, Thailand, Mexico.
B. CHAPMAN: We tracked his behavior and we talked to his friends. And mostly...
D. CHAPMAN: Tracked his cell phone.
B. CHAPMAN: Tracked his cell phone. I would say the most helpful things were his friends, because they would play with us, you know, like, we`re not giving you nothing, but as they were giving us nothing, they gave us everything.
BECK: Really cocky.
B. CHAPMAN: Very cocky.
D. CHAPMAN: Very cocky.
BECK: All the people around him very cocky, including his mom.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes. So.
BECK: OK. So now you go down and you take the team down. And you find him. You hire somebody to take you to him. He`s a cop, right?
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: Mexican cop.
D. CHAPMAN: Mexican police officer.
BECK: And you -- how do you catch him? Where do you catch him?
D. CHAPMAN: We see him in a -- my brother sees him in a bar. The cop finds him, OK? My brother then follow -- goes into a bar, and there`s Luster. He sits down, and he`s wringing his hands and walking around looking inside drinks.
Then he asks a girl to dance and then watches where she stands. My brother witnesses, you know -- we, of course, studied Andrew Luster to know his M.O., his method of operation. We know what he`s doing.
My brother says, "Listen, he`s on the hunt right now. He`s ready to rape someone."
Outside is two or three bodyguards that he`s got. So I know that taking him out in front of bodyguards is, you know, a shootout. So we wait until he leaves the bar. He heads to a taco stand. The police officer tells me, "I`ve got the traffic under control."
And all of a sudden, you know, hmm? What were you going to say?
BECK: She was saying...
D. CHAPMAN: And all this...
B. CHAPMAN: Don`t leave them hanging out.
BECK: You`ve got this Dog trained, don`t you?
D. CHAPMAN: All of a sudden, you know, I spot his shoulders, because I`ve never seen him live, only pictures of him and, you know, television shows of him. And finally, to see, you know, his -- the actual guy, it was like, you can imagine everything just slowed way down to slow motion.
And, you know, all this morality thing started entering my mind. And the 20-something, 27 years of bounty hunting is only for this second, right now, that there he is. There the guy is, 86 counts of rape.
My father was always telling -- would always tell me, you know, don`t cross the line. Don`t take chances. He was a Navy man that didn`t gamble too much and, of course, I`m just the opposite.
My dad, I could -- you know, my dad had passed away and I could hear my father say, "Well, what are you waiting for?" Because this time, there was no question. There he was, the No. 1 rapist in America standing right in front of you. My dad would say, "It doesn`t take an idiot to do something about it."
So, I did something about it. We helped grab Luster. The officer was there. We knocked on a police -- a cop shop door. They`re closed. I said to the cop, "Where`s the next police station?"
He said, "Down the road."
We jump in the vehicles, head down to the road. On the way to the police station right in the front of it, we see these lights flashing, and in Mexico, they`re not red, like they are here. I think they are blue. And I figured, you know, that must be where the cop shop is, so head for the light.
So we head towards it. It`s -- the lights were at the police department. We head there.
As we pull up to it, it`s a roadblock by the police department. And the Mexican police, you know, pulled down on us and say, you know, "Everyone here is under arrest."
BECK: How did they -- how did they get word so fast? His bodyguards call the cops?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, we believe that it was, you know -- the person that he hired was, we believed, was an off-duty police officer. At some point, we -- much later on, we found out that he was some kind of off-duty security guy or whomever.
But that person, when we were pounding on the door, he knew that we had to get to police immediately, right? And so, I believe that he radioed or called ahead and said, you know, that they were coming.
BECK: OK.
B. CHAPMAN: Also, there was witnesses, you know, across the street at a gas station who witnessed the entire thing go down. They called for police.
And in their statements, they`re saying, "It was very odd because there was no police anywhere." There was -- usually on this very busy street in Puerta Vallarta there`s usually a lot of tourists and a lot of police activity. There was none on this night, you know. And so, you know, the only thing he could do is take him to police, because he was too valuable.
BECK: OK. So they nail you. They -- they talk to you. You go to a judge. He says you can go, it`s no big deal.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: You know, just, there will be a fine. We`ll talk to you later. You can go. You crossed the border, back and forth, several times just to make sure that there`s nothing wrong. You go in and out the right way.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: Correct?
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
BECK: Then you go home, a few months later, you get a knock on your door. We`re going to pick the story up there and then get the update on what`s happened since last time we spoke, next.
Back in a minute.
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D. CHAPMAN: Come on, I`m a Chapman, the original D-O-G. You`re going back to Oklahoma, son. You`re going to a motel without a window.
B. CHAPMAN: I think it`s a room without a view.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECK: I love you two. OK.
So, first of all, there`s a couple of updates. Last time you were here, you used my studio to cut a piece of audio, and you were making a cartoon. Quickly, just tell me what that was, because we`re going to debut it here in a few minutes.
B. CHAPMAN: There`s an animated piece -- we call it "Dog 2.0" -- which is basically pointing people to the direction of the Mexico petition.
BECK: OK.
B. CHAPMAN: To help us out with the Mexico government in the Luster case.
BECK: OK. All right. So you`ll see it here for the first time coming up in a second. OK.
So now, you`re at home. You get a knock on the door. It`s our guys. They say that you`re wanted by U.S. marshals.
D. CHAPMAN: This is 3 1/2, 4 years later.
B. CHAPMAN: Three and a half years later.
D. CHAPMAN: Everything goes fine, you know, Dog, thank you for getting Luster. It`s all cool. He`s doing 121 out of 124 years left. And we get a -- she...
B. CHAPMAN: There`s no knock. I wish there would have been a knock. That would have been, you know, polite. But there was no knock. They basically just burst in the doors.
D. CHAPMAN: And they say -- I say, "What`s the warrant for?"
And he says, "For Mexico."
And I said, "Well, you can`t do that. It`s a misdemeanor."
B. CHAPMAN: Kidnapping and conspiracy.
D. CHAPMAN: And he says, "A kidnapping and conspiracy warrant." And I say this can`t be. We weren`t charged with kidnapping there.
And of course, you know, they`re my friends. I can`t -- all of a sudden I`m public enemy No. 1. So they`re not going to explain everything. Their job is to catch me, take me to jail. And I end up in the federal holding facility.
BECK: OK. So what has happened since then? Because that`s -- that`s pretty much where we left the story. And you said, hey, you know, anybody that can help. And I know I heard from people, members of Congress. I know I heard from state attorney generals.
What has happened since? And, you know, millions of people have also been involved.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, a couple things have happened. We`re -- we`re figuring out, you know, why that our attorney general is of Hispanic descent and he does not know how to interpret his own Spanish word for "deprivation of liberty", means holding someone against their will.
How did his office, who`s responsible for this, interpret that charge to kidnapping, when that charge carries a minimum three-month sentence and kidnapping carries a 20-year?
BECK: I want to show this. Zoom in on this. I want to show this. It says, "Wanted for illegal detention," but then it`s parenthetically "kidnapping,"
B. CHAPMAN: And conspiracy.
BECK: And conspiracy.
B. CHAPMAN: And conspiracy was dismissed.
BECK: You`re seeing conspiracy has been dismissed?
D. CHAPMAN: Has been gone from the very beginning.
BECK: And you`re saying kidnapping is our interpretation of it?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, it really isn`t. You know.
B. CHAPMAN: No, it is, because what came over from Mexico was illegal detention.
BECK: OK.
B. CHAPMAN: And someone in America took it upon themselves to put their own...
D. CHAPMAN: Spin on it.
BECK: So what`s happened since? What progress have you guys made? Since you appeared on this show, what happened?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, what we`ve done now is we`ve really beefed up our legal defense team. We`ve added more attorneys in Mexico. We`ve added more attorneys in the mainland. We`re really beefing this up. We`re fighting this tooth and nail in Mexico, because we believe that we broke no laws in Mexico.
And we`re also beefing up our front in America. Because of the great exposure that we got on your show, Glenn, a lot of questions have been being asked of the Justice Department by Congress, by senators, by representatives saying, "Hey, what are we doing? Where did you get this?"
And now, the Justice Department is in a little bit of a panic, and they`re asking our prosecutor to step it up. So we`ve had...
BECK: They`re asking them to move it faster?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes. So we`ve got to beef up our defense on both sides of the border so that we have an aggressive attack going on in Mexico trying to, you know -- we need to get something that works there. We did not break their laws.
And I know they feel their sovereignty is at issue. But we come from a sovereign land also. Hawaii is very, very serious about their sovereignty.
And so we feel that we did everything lawfully.
So we have a bigger team in Mexico to -- to make sure that the truth is found out in Mexico. And we have also added to our team in America, because it is very important that America does not extradite three American citizens for...
BECK: It`s insanity. It`s insanity. So, when does the trial start or when does the hearing start?
B. CHAPMAN: The paper shuffling starts about June 16.
BECK: How long -- how long is this process, do you think?
B. CHAPMAN: We`re expected to go to trial on the extradition sometime around October.
BECK: OK.
B. CHAPMAN: If, you know, if everybody`s motions are in. You know, nothing else comes up.
D. CHAPMAN: That`s her way. I -- I -- now that`s her thing about it, OK? I have been not a policeman but a law enforcement for 29 years. If I book someone in jail for murder, and the next day the judge saw the alleged victim walking around, I think something should have been done.
I don`t, you know, I mean, I am more cop than a lot of cops. And I`m more G-man than a lot of G-men. I would die for my badge.
I want to know who interpreted a minor crime to be now one of the greatest -- there`s like kidnapping, murder, sexual assault against a child and rape.
Who interpreted out of my own country a light misdemeanor to be one of the most highest crimes in the world and why would they do that? Because we have "Dog, the Bounty Hunter" on TV and it shows us catching people as a family in two days when those guys make $3,000, $4,000 a week and catch no one?
Why are they after us? Is that why? Or was it just a mistake? Was it really that a clerk read "deprivation of liberty" and went, "Oh, that must mean kidnapping," and sent it forward? Or is it, you know, they didn`t like the Dog, because you know, Dog`s not just pulling over girls and getting their phone numbers. Dog`s trying to get law breakers. What is it?
BECK: I have to tell you, as I`m listening to you, I`m watching you, and I can see your heart is just broken from this.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: I want to talk about you two and your history here in just a second.
We`ll be back in just a minute.
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BECK: We`re back with Duane "Dog" Chapman and his wife, Beth, who have been telling us here in the last few minutes about a really frightening scenario that`s happening in their personal life.
What role -- I know you pray on your show. What role does God play in your life?
B. CHAPMAN: The lead role.
BECK: That`s a very good answer.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, he`s the head boss. He`s the guy. The guideline is, of course, the Bible and our conscience, but he`s -- you know, I sure hope there`s a God. My God, I hope to God there is. I hope we just don`t all die, you know, like birds and then not get to go anywhere.
BECK: Me, too.
D. CHAPMAN: I really hope that there -- I really hope to God, especially we`ve lost a child, and I hope I get to see her. And my ma, my dad and grandpa.
You know, so God plays a big part in our life because we hope and we believe that there is a hereafter.
B. CHAPMAN: And we anchor -- we anchor our spirituality on that fact, that we really didn`t come this far to get let down. You know, we feel that we were put on a mission.
I personally know from myself that I was shown years ago that Duane was going to catch someone very high-profile and that it was going to be a huge controversy. I was told that in my spirit, you know...
BECK: How do you mean?
B. CHAPMAN: You know, I think the Lord comes to people in different ways. You know, for me, it`s just basically, you`re shown something. You`re shown something, you know.
I was doing something one day for Duane`s career, and the Lord was like laughing at me. It`s going to be this. It`s going to be this big guy. It`s going to be someone famous. It`s going to be a big controversy. And you`re going to come through it, right? I was like, OK, great.
And so, on that morning, when I read "millionaire may have jumped bail," I cracked him with the newspaper on the airplane and I, "Look! That`s the guy. This is it. This is the guy. This is the guy that the Lord told me about. This is him."
And so then for 166 days, we ate, slept and drank that guy. We did everything...
BECK: So did you feel you had a premonition that you were going to catch somebody like this, and you knew when you saw him, you`re like, this is the guy?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: But your message was going to be a huge controversy, but you`re going to get through it.
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: You`re pretty -- you feel, if you really have faith, you feel that you`re going to be OK.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, yes, you have 80 percent...
B. CHAPMAN: Underlining, yes.
D. CHAPMAN: You have 80 percent chance, you know, 80 percent, just like you and I know, right now, 80 percent to 90 percent when we get in the car we came here in, it`s going to start, right? But what if it don`t?
BECK: Right.
D. CHAPMAN: You`re like, "Oh, nuts, I didn`t bring an extra battery or my"...
BECK: You`re going to do your part, too.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, you`ve got to -- you just can`t say, weeds be gone out of the garden and they`re gone.
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: Right.
B. CHAPMAN: There are days that we`re just like, how are we ever going to get through this? It`s hopeless, we`re going to prison, you know. And you have those days.
But then one of us, depending on whichever one of us is having that day, stops and says, "Wait a minute. We need to pray right now over our family, because you`re letting the devil and his thoughts and you`re letting negative things come into play.
BECK: A lot of people in the world today don`t believe in a literal devil.
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: Do you believe -- do you believe that in a literal, evil force?
D. CHAPMAN: You know, as far as I believe that there is a -- you know, an evil and a good. I mean, I`ve seen and put in jail guys that would, like, just start like biting and eating you. Or if they see a little girl get ran over by a car, will stand up and cheer. Evil, I mean, you would not believe that.
And all talk about something spiritual. Never have they just been nuts. They`ve always had to say something about God or Virgin Mary or thrown some kind of biblical something into the reason they`re freaks. You know what I mean?
BECK: Hang on just a second. We`ve got to take a break. We`ll be back.
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B. CHAPMAN: You promised that you were not going to get angry.
D. CHAPMAN: About?
B. CHAPMAN: Anything.
D. CHAPMAN: Any pictures over there I won`t like?
B. CHAPMAN: And you`re not going to ask how much anything costs.
D. CHAPMAN: I probably will ask that later.
B. CHAPMAN: No.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m not swearing.
B. CHAPMAN: You have to swear.
B. CHAPMAN: You have to swear. You just pinky promised.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECK: You know, we`re back with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife and partner, Beth. I want to go to -- I`m not somebody who has watched the show for years and years and years. I know pieces of your life and your life together. You were a bad guy starting really early. Tell me about -- your mom was a minister.
D. CHAPMAN: My mother was a minister. My father was in the Navy, and, in the early `70s, I went to prison in Texas.
BECK: OK. Your father, you grew up in an abusive family.
D. CHAPMAN: Correct. Not sexually, but physically very abusive, a typical -- well, see, it wasn`t typical. A very abusive family, yes.
BECK: OK, for mom and dad or just...
D. CHAPMAN: Just dad.
BECK: Just dad. And he kind of set your feet in the wrong course.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, basically, correct. Correct.
BECK: And you used to take your Bible to school, and you were a minority in school. You used to take your Bible to school, and they used to beat the snot out of you.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, I was at the age where we were bussed. The middle- class kids were bussed to the poor kids. So in the seventh grade, you know, I was with my mother in the missionary fields, you know, with the American Indians, so I had just got from New Mexico, and my mother preaching, and me collecting an offering.
And I went to the school, got bussed to a school, and a group of guys was, you know, going to beat me up, and I said -- you know, I whipped out my Bible like it was a .45 and said, "You know, in Jesus` name, I rebuke you," and they said, you know, "(INAUDIBLE) what is that? What kind of gun is that?" And I said, "It`s the spirit of the lord." And they said, "No, no, we (bleep) here."
And, you know, I was like, what? So, and I -- I mean, turning points in life, we can all look back and know that. But I was going to tell you this, too. And I know you don`t get to see this show on A&E a lot. But we`ve, for three years, almost four years now, we`ve worked on the book. And it`s called, "You Can Run, But You Can`t Hide."
Now, is it, you can run, you can`t hide from God, or is it you can run but you can`t hide from Dog? I want to you read it and decide. But we have put all that together, three years now, we put it all together. Imperium has...
B. CHAPMAN: Hyperion.
D. CHAPMAN: Hyperion Books has purchased the book.
B. CHAPMAN: Comes out August 7th.
D. CHAPMAN: It comes out August 7th. I met with the guy who owns it. He is...
BECK: You hold his hand a lot.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, she does.
BECK: You hold his hand a lot.
D. CHAPMAN: Please tell him about my book, because I want him to read it.
(CROSSTALK)
D. CHAPMAN: I want your dad to read it. But is there a book -- can everybody know that I love your dad, know your dad?
BECK: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: And your stepmom, too. I love her, too. But your dad, tell him I said hi.
B. CHAPMAN: I think that there`s really endearing qualities, you know, and that a lot of people want to know what really makes the Dog tick. In other words, they want the recipe to the Dog. And so I think it`s an important book, because he basically goes through the pivot points in his life. "Here`s the road that I was on. Here`s where it forked." You know, then it got worse.
BECK: The fork came when you actually made friends with a motorcycle gang just to protect yourself from the other guys, right?
B. CHAPMAN: From the beatings, right.
BECK: And then you were involved in a murder?
D. CHAPMAN: Right, absolutely, yes, in the `70s. Then I went to prison in Texas. And I became...
BECK: Wait, wait, wait, wait, slow down. Slow down on the murder.
D. CHAPMAN: I like to skip over that.
BECK: I`ve never sat a table with a guy who was involved with a murder that I like.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, thank you.
B. CHAPMAN: And that`s the good quality about the book, because there is nobody in America that has gone to jail for first-degree murder who has actually come out and done anything with themselves, let alone captured 6,000 of the most dangerous fugitives, and basically changes the lives of drug addicts every single day on our island.
BECK: How often do you think of the person that -- tell me the circumstances. How were you -- how were you involved in the murder?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, there was four of us involved. We pulled up to buy some dope. My brother, biker brother, got out of the car to go up to purchase it. We all sat and waited. We heard, "Boom," a shot. He came outside and said, "I barely hit him in the shoulder." I said, "What?" Because he had been -- the gun that he had halfway put together, he pulled it on the guy. The guy grabbed it, and the gun blew up in my brother`s hand, and hit the guy right here.
I said, "Take my brother to the hospital." I drove back over, saw the victim laying on the stretcher. He was talking to me. I said, "Jerry, you OK?" He told the cops it wasn`t Dog, but it was one of his brothers, got in an ambulance at 6:00 in the morning. The radio said...
B. CHAPMAN: Duane "Dog" Chapman is being sought...
D. CHAPMAN: ... Duane "Dog" Chapman is being sought for the shotgun- slaying massacre of Jerry Oliver last night in Pampa, Texas, and my world just went, "Oh, my god." I just was like, "Oh, my god, he died." I couldn`t believe it.
B. CHAPMAN: In 1976, when this actually happened, there wasn`t an accessory to a crime at that time. So in Texas, in the mid-`70s, if you were there, and you could have stopped it or done something, you got charged with first-degree murder. So all four parties in the car...
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D. CHAPMAN: All four of us were charged.
BECK: So you went -- but another turning point in your life is, you saved a man`s life in prison.
D. CHAPMAN: In prison, I worked as a warden`s barber, because I just -- they could trust me, so they let me use razors on the warden and all the guards. So I worked right outside the prison.
BECK: You don`t look like a guy I would trust with razors.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, thank you very much. Now I dress the part to please.
B. CHAPMAN: Still don`t trust him with razors.
D. CHAPMAN: So I was working really quick outside the gate, and they was going to put an inmate in the hole because his mother died. And as they went to put him in the hole, solitary confinement, he hit a guard in the mouth and started running.
So the road in Texas, you can see, they say, for three miles, and all of a sudden, here`s this big guy running down the middle of the road, and the guards have to stop him. And one of the guards happened to be my lieutenant. And as my lieutenant was going to shoot him, I don`t know if he was going to kill him or wound him or whatever, but he was a fleeing felon, I jumped in front of the lieutenant and said, "I`ll catch him."
And as I turned around to run, I thought, "God, I hope he heard what I said." Obviously, he did.
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D. CHAPMAN: Right, because I could feel the bullet entering my back and thinking, "Oh, my god." And as I captured the guy, the lieutenant threw down the handcuffs and said, "Hook him up, bounty hunter." And when he said those words, right then I thought, "Oh, my god."
So another pivot point is when I first heard that word, because my favorite show was Steve McQueen -- you`re too young -- was Steve McQueen -- your dad would know -- Steve McQueen in "Wanted: Dead or Alive." I mean, he saved the blonde mama, and he was the good guy, but he wasn`t the law, but he wasn`t a bad guy, but he was like in between.
BECK: You know, what kills me about you two is, if I saw you in a dark alley, I`d run like hell. Yet it strikes -- correct me if I`m wrong - - in the two times or three times now that we`ve spent time together, you`re the tough one.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: You`re the tough one. You are -- you know, you try to act all tough, but you`re still that, "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ" kind of guy, and you protect him. You`re the protector. Aren`t you?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: How did you guys meet?
B. CHAPMAN: You know what? That`s a terrible question, terrible.
D. CHAPMAN: Let me answer that.
B. CHAPMAN: Oh, great.
D. CHAPMAN: She was arrested for stealing a lemon, which wasn`t her fault, OK? And she didn`t come in soon enough.
BECK: I`m seeing a pattern here.
B. CHAPMAN: He set my bond out on the bus.
BECK: I took my time bonding her out, because it was a small bond, shoplifting, and I wasn`t making that much money.
BECK: I mean, stealing a lemon? What were you thinking?
D. CHAPMAN: She was also packing, all right? So that was...
B. CHAPMAN: A .9 millimeter.
D. CHAPMAN: In the West in Colorado, it`s a $500 bond. I made $50.
B. CHAPMAN: Whatever...
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D. CHAPMAN: She it took a while to get the bond out, so when she came strolling...
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D. CHAPMAN: ... she came strolling into the office after I threatened, "I`m going to come arrest you." And I looked up, and there`s Beth, and I`m like, "Oh, my god."
B. CHAPMAN: Right, moreover than that, he came out with this blonde, you know, bombshell that he is, and...
D. CHAPMAN: Stop it.
B. CHAPMAN: And I said, "Oh, yes, he will be mine. Let the stalking begin," you know, because I determined on that day that that was going to be mine.
D. CHAPMAN: And she became a bail bondsman and started writing all this terrible bail and would call me up and say, "Would you catch this guy?" And, of course, I`m going to catch the bad guy. I don`t care what the money is.
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BECK: I mean, look at this, here`s a guy who was in prison, another one that was arrested, and you both flipped and went the other way.
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
D. CHAPMAN: Because we`re not stupid. But, listen, can I say this on your show? And I feel bad about this, and my dad would simply and probably is rolling over in his grave. I the other day went to a prison and I said -- I stood up and said, "Hello, meet your leader, because I`m your leader. You see these shoes?" As I pulled my boot off, "I`m going to give you something to follow. Now you can`t say, `Poor me. I`m an ex-con. Poor me, I`m an ex-con.` Now you`re going to meet an ex-con that`s now called an icon. And I`m sorry to say it, but here`s your leader. Follow me."
You know what they did? They started cheering, and they started clapping. And they didn`t flip me the bird and say, "Copper, go home." They said, "Dog, yes, we can." So I guess that we`re made to be, you know...
B. CHAPMAN: Examples.
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BECK: I`m an alcoholic. It`s AA. You know, you have somebody who stands in front of a bunch of drunks and they say, "Hey, don`t do that." You`re like, "Yes, pipe down."
B. CHAPMAN: Because you`ve never done it before.
BECK: That`s right.
B. CHAPMAN: But once you`ve walked a mile in their shoes, you`ve been to jail, you`ve ran the game, the probation game. "Oh, I didn`t like the probation. I didn`t want to check in." OK, I`ve already been through all this crap, and I`m going to tell you right now, you`d be the wise man and take my advice. You can be the fool and learn from your own mistakes.
D. CHAPMAN: I`d rather much be, not just because he`s president, but Mr. Bush, had his problems same year I had mine, but he snapped out of it. Look at him today. I snapped out of it, but, you know, different, so I rather have not...
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BECK: No, you guys have a lot -- I mean, just look at the way you dress. You have a lot in common. Be back here with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife, Beth, just a second.
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BECK: Back with Duane Chapman, better known as Dog the Bounty Hunter, and his wife, Beth, who appear in their fourth season of "Dog the Bounty Hunter" on A&E. In just a minute, you have kind of a cartoon thing you have been working on to get people to understand what`s going on with Andrew Luster. And we`re going to get to that here in a second.
I want to finish up our conversation here. We left the story with you two meeting.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: And then you lived together for 16 years?
D. CHAPMAN: About that, yes.
BECK: OK, lived together for 16 years. You have, I believe, 487 children.
D. CHAPMAN: Right, correct.
B. CHAPMAN: Exactly.
BECK: How many children are we talking here?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, 12, plus -- 12. Plus grandkids now, and, you know, what I say was that...
B. CHAPMAN: That`s the one we don`t talk about.
D. CHAPMAN: No, what I say was that I married my common-law wife the Christian way.
B. CHAPMAN: Very well-thought-out.
D. CHAPMAN: No, as you know, the Christians...
BECK: You`re an old-fashioned couple, you two, I mean, 200 children and then get married.
D. CHAPMAN: Christians say, though, that, you know, you should do it by the cloth and the preacher. And all that, so not to make Christians mad, right, then we did it the right way. I mean, I guess, the biblical way.
BECK: Now, hang on. Are you guys -- are you guys Christians?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: OK. So you didn`t think that you should get married?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, the Bible says -- there you go -- the Bible says, "Obey the laws of the land," so if the laws of the land say common-law, if you live with the girl, it`s cool, it`s cool. And one day she came to me and she said, "Honey, in Hawaii, there`s no such thing as common law."
B. CHAPMAN: And then I introduced him to Gene Simmons, and the next day we were getting married.
BECK: Hold it just a second. So that`s the way the proposal came? She came to you and said, "There is no common law"?
D. CHAPMAN: I said, "She`s my common-law wife." And she said, "Honey, in Hawaii, there`s no common law." And so I`m like, "Oh, no."
B. CHAPMAN: He`s full of crud. He meet Gene Simmons, who is -- what does he say? He`s happily unmarried.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, he started...
B. CHAPMAN: And started to proclaim about how great it is to be not married. And then the next day, we got married.
D. CHAPMAN: No, that`s not how it worked.
B. CHAPMAN: Pretty much. He said, "I`ve been thinking about this, and this is not right."
BECK: I think I believe Beth.
B. CHAPMAN: He said, "This is not right."
BECK: May I ask a really tough question of you, Dog?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, sure.
BECK: Abuse is a hard cycle to break.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BECK: How did you break it? How tough is it for you to be a dad and not be the dad that your dad was?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, my kids know 911.
B. CHAPMAN: Very well.
D. CHAPMAN: And if I beat them like my dad beat me, they would snitch me off and tell on me.
BECK: Not the question. Not the question. The question is, the question is -- how did you conquer that?
D. CHAPMAN: Because as a little boy, I sat there and said, "When I have -- I`m going to have more kids than God -- than Abraham. Just like the Bible says, I`m going to have more kids than the sands of the sea. And I`m going to"...
BECK: Well, you`re working on that.
D. CHAPMAN: And I said, "And when I have this kid, I`m not going to beat it, and I`m not going to"...
BECK: Yes, but, you know, a lot of people say that. A lot of people say, "I don`t want to be my parents," but then they are their parents.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, you can`t be. You can remember your heart when it hurt so bad, I would cry to -- they say, "Dog, you`re a good salesman." I go, "Yes, because I begged my dad not to beat me." I mean, that`s how it was. It hurts; it physically hurts. So I don`t want to ever physically hurt my kid like that. A lot of...
BECK: Were you ever -- did you ever find yourself, ever...
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, yes, the other day, some guy beat down baby Lisa. I had to stare at the badge and kept saying out loud in Jesus` name, because I wanted to crack him right in the mouth. It comes. The feelings there will always come. It`s the action that you have to say, "No, stop, change the subject."
B. CHAPMAN: And it`s self-control. You know, you have to have self- control. You have to have patience, and you have to realize they`re smaller than you and they don`t quite get what you`re saying sometimes.
BECK: OK. Got to change. Let`s go to this cartoon. Tell me the story behind the cartoon.
B. CHAPMAN: We`re very proud of our animation. It`s produced by Cup of Coffee Productions. And, of course, you donated your studio for our audience.
BECK: It was tough. We turned on the mikes.
B. CHAPMAN: So we had (INAUDIBLE) they came to us and said, "Hey, we want to help you on your fight, and we do claymation, and so we would like to do a version of Dog to help drive people to your petition to help save the Dog."
BECK: Here it is, the world premiere of "Save the Dog."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
D. CHAPMAN: I`m the Dog, the big, bad Dog, the bounty hunter. Beth. Beth. They`re here.
B. CHAPMAN: I`m busy, Duane.
D. CHAPMAN: Aloha. Beth was supposed to be here to explain this to you, but since she`s not cooperating, as usual, I`ll tell you myself. As you may know, I`m facing unjust extradition to Mexico for the minor crime of deprivation of liberty. Now Mexico wants me and my family back.
B. CHAPMAN: Make sure you send them to the Web site, big daddy.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m telling them, Beth. Please take 30 seconds of your time to click on my Web site and help free the Dog. It`s easy. Just go to www.dogthebountyhunter.com and sign the letter, please, asking the Mexican government to set the Dog free. And as we say in Hawaii, mahalo, my brothers and sisters. And Aloha.
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BECK: All right, final segment here, and we`ve got e-mail. Lots of e-mail questions for you guys. Now, I`m just debating whether I should give the name and where they`re from to you...
B. CHAPMAN: Please.
BECK: ... or maybe I should hold out and say, "Craig, I could give your state out and your last name unless you send me a check." Here comes the first one, cussing and God.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BECK: "You guys pray before each mission, call yourself a Christian. I`m wondering how you reconcile your belief with the fact that you and your team cuss a lot during the catcher. I`m not judging your actions; I`m just trying to understand your point of view. Craig in Oklahoma," if you`d like to find him later.
D. CHAPMAN: Craig in Oklahoma. Well, praise in the name of Jesus doesn`t work. The Bible says, "Be all things to all men." We`re working on our language, but when we call people an S.B., we don`t mean their mother`s really a female dog. And when we go F.U., we don`t really mean the actual word. That`s just the language the world we live in.
B. CHAPMAN: The world that we run in doesn`t understand, "Could you please come here?"
D. CHAPMAN: But you shouldn`t hurt people`s feelings. So I apologize for swearing, and I really am -- Tim Story (ph), my preacher, working on my mouth.
BECK: OK. "Have you had any support from the senators and representatives from your state fighting your Mexican extradition? Trish in Delaware."
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, we have.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, we have.
BECK: "My wife loves you guys so much, I think she`s ready to become a criminal in Hawaii just so she can meet you. Keep fighting the fight and everything will work out. You are in our prayers, Trent from Missouri."
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you, Trent.
BECK: "Is it really worth doing the job you do, considering what`s being done to others to protect us, like the border guards, and how these stupid P.C. groups try to take you out in any way they can every time you bring somebody in? Craig from Washington State."
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, it is, because, believe me, border guards are going to be freed, we know that, with your help. But you`re going to win in the end. And them border guards are going to have a story, too.
B. CHAPMAN: But the saving of the lives is absolutely worth it, because if...
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BECK: I only have 30 seconds. Are you telling me you guys have not considered quitting? You haven`t hit a moment in the middle of the night?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, we have.
BECK: You have?
B. CHAPMAN: We have.
BECK: What turned it around, quickly? I`ve only got 15 now.
D. CHAPMAN: Jail was the only thing I could do besides this.
B. CHAPMAN: It`s been a long time since he did felony.
BECK: It is such a pleasure.
B. CHAPMAN: Thank you so much.
BECK: You stay in touch.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you, my brother. God bless.
B. CHAPMAN: Thank you so much, Glenn.
BECK: We`ll see you again from New York. Good night.
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