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Mickey Sherman Weighs in on O.J. Case; Student, University President Discuss Tasering Incident; Nebraska State Senator Sues God

Aired September 19, 2007 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): O.J. Simpson now free on bail. But will what happened in Vegas force O.J. to stay in jail for life?

Plus, creepy John Mark Karr now apparently even more creepy. We`ll tell you about his new, shocking web site starring -- you guessed it -- JonBenet Ramsey.

And a college student gets tasered for being extremely annoying.

ANDREW MEYER, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA STUDENT: Don`t tase me, bro. Don`t tase me! I didn`t do anything wrong! Ow!

BECK: I say hit him with another 50,000 volts.

MEYER: Ow!

BECK: All this and more, tonight.

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BECK: Well, hello, America. Welcome to day three of the latest O.J. Simpson scandal. In addition to armed robbery another of the 11 charges Las Vegas prosecutors filed against the Juice was kidnapping. The maximum sentence for that is life in prison. So here`s "The Point" tonight.

O.J. Simpson is guilty of kidnapping. He`s been holding America hostage for three days. And there`s no end in sight. And here`s how I got there.

Take a look. Here he is, standing there in the courtroom in front of the judge. That`s great, isn`t it? I know that since I`m on TV and I have to cover the latest developments in the O.J. case, no matter how small or insignificant every little detail`s got to be covered; otherwise, I think the world will spin off its axis and fly into the sun.

Forget the fact that it looks like, you know, China building an alliance with Russia and they`ve clearly stated this week that anybody who has a problem with their new pals over in Iran should back right on off, but we should do the O.J. thing again.

There he is. Look at that. Standing in front of a judge wearing a prison shirt or golf shirt or something. He`s about to get out of jail. That`s amazing.

Never mind the mortgage foreclosures up 115 percent over this time last year. People are actually losing their homes now. For the first time in history, the current generation is in worse economic shape than their parents. But why think about that? We can -- see -- I mean, you know?

He`s innocent. He`s a victim. Yes. Not guilty. That`s what he`s saying. So there he is. He`s entering the plea. And then he`s standing there front of a judge. And why pay attention to anything else? I mean, you know, like the kid.

In Florida, 70,000 volts of justice shot right through his chest. That`s some good -- you know. That`s good television. He`s acting up in a speech by Senator John Kerry. Why worry about that when you`ve got O.J., standing in front of a judge?

So tonight, here`s what you need to know. If we`re going to pay so much attention to O.J.`s case, let`s at least fall to our knees tonight and beg God in his heavens that we get him this time. Whether it`s for robbery, kidnapping, stealing milk, I don`t care. Just put him behind bars.

No one in Chicago complained when Al Capone got locked up for income tax evasion. Let`s not look a gift conviction in the mouth, right? Any day when a murderer, even alleged one, could be, goes to jail is a good day.

O.J. has been bumping up against the law for the last 13 years, and it seems like we finally may get a crack at tossing him some well-deserved justice. Maybe then we could get back to the real news. You know, like Britney Spears. I mean, what`s she going to do without her kids?

Lindsay is on perpetual rehab. I`m so worried. But then there`s the new season of "American Idol".

Mickey Sherman is a criminal defense attorney.

Mickey, oh, you`re upset with me.

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not at all. Last I checked, I`m hoping that we get him this time. It`s not part of the American jurisprudence deal.

BECK: I`m not a lawyer or a judge.

SHERMAN: A presumption of innocence, you know?

BECK: I don`t have to presume. The judge and the jury do. I don`t have to presume. I can look at him and go, "Hmm, he should be in jail."

SHERMAN: No question. And, you know, the old cases are the 400-pound gorilla that`s always going to be in that courtroom and in the building.

BECK: Mickey, come on. When you saw that videotape today, did you not go, boy, seems like I`ve seen that 400 times with this guy?

SHERMAN: No, it means I should get some plastic surgery, because with the high-def TV and the 700 hours of TV that people like me are going to be doing over the next year.

BECK: Yes.

SHERMAN: I don`t want to look like a jerk.

BECK: A hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars in bail.

SHERMAN: Yes.

BECK: They took away my passport, but he can travel around. Can he still rent a Bronco?

SHERMAN: He can. Only at slow speeds. And you know, I`ve got to tell you, the 125 grand, that`s a reasonable bond. The D.A. made a statement that`s the standard bond out there. And that`s the way it should be.

And you`ve got to hand it to the judge for allowing to make that deal for the bond in private, being behind closed doors in the judge`s Chambers. It`s not a bad thing. That`s the way things usually work.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you, I`ve got to hand it to the judge for not passing out resumes. I mean...

SHERMAN: That`s what I`m saying, Glenn. He didn`t need to put on the big show like that guy in Florida did.

BECK: Right.

SHERMAN: He was able to stay out of the limelight and just let justice work effectively. That was pretty classy of both the prosecutor and the judge.

BECK: OK. I guess -- let me just skip ahead here on this case a little bit. Riccio, who is the guy who apparently set O.J. up, who I`d like to point out is white...

SHERMAN: Yes.

BECK: He -- he -- even if he did set O.J. Simpson up, does it matter? I mean...

SHERMAN: Here`s the deal. Somebody like me, if it`s Yale Galanter or anybody else, at the end of the O.J. trial, in front of the jury, is going to say, "OK, folks, the big witness against him, this guy, Riccio, the guy with the really bad hair." He may not say the bad hair bit.

BECK: Yes.

SHERMAN: "But would you buy a used car from him?"

And the jury is going to say, "No, I wouldn`t trust this guy for anything. So if you buy a used car, if you don`t trust him, then why trust him to give evidence that`s going to put O.J. away for umpteen years?

BECK: Come on. You`re going to trust his word over O.J.`s word. I mean, this is -- this is the black hat and the blacker hats. I mean, three`s no good guys here.

SHERMAN: No. You don`t know who to root for. It`s like being forced to pick your favorite Menendez brothers.

BECK: So you are -- so are Menudo, member of Menudo. He`s got to find 12 people that can give him a fair trial. I mean, in Vegas, should we send 12 drool cups for the people that will actually not have an opinion on O.J. Simpson?

SHERMAN: But pull them right out of a Caesar`s buffet line, I think, and have them just go right on the beeline (ph)...

BECK: Come on. Who`s going to give these guys -- I mean, who can look at him and just go, "I don`t know"?

SHERMAN: A few years ago, he was charged with road rage when he had the motor vehicle spite -- spat with some guy down there. Yale Galanter represented him. They went to a trial, and it was not an all African- American jury, by any means, and they found him not guilty.

So the Americans -- the America juries, I`ve got to tell you -- as much as some times I get pissed off, because my client will be found guilty -- not that often but too often -- they really generally, generally do the right thing. And they`ll sift through all the garbage and try and get to the real heart of the case.

And they`ll see this Riccio -- Riccio. And they`ll see O.J. And they may say, all these people, you know, they deserve each other. Don`t bother us. Give the guy a breach of the peace and charge him $50.

BECK: Any -- any jail time?

SHERMAN: I don`t -- I personally think that he`s going to be found not guilty. I don`t think he`s going to plead. I think there will be a trial. I don`t think he`ll be found guilty and if he does, I think it`s minor jail time: under a year, two years at the most.

BECK: Do you think there`s anything to the -- see, I have the opposite opinion on this. Everybody`s like, "Oh, if it wasn`t O.J. Simpson they would just let him go." I think it`s the opposite. Either that or the Las Vegas police are as dumb as a box of rocks.

If you have O.J. Simpson, isn`t there somebody in the room going, "Do everything exactly right"? Because you know it`s going to be a media circus. You know everything is going to be examined. You know you`re going to be made into a laughingstock. You know somebody is going to sue you, call you racist, whatever. This is very careful?

SHERMAN: Worse than that, Glenn, they`re going to be second-guessed every night 17 hours a day by people like you and me, and they don`t look like a jerk in front of their mothers watching in Sheboygan.

And I think the cops did everything right. I have no issue with that. And I think the D.A. has done everything right.

But not every case is a great case. They`ve got a bunch of jerks who are claiming another bunch of jerks did something wrong here. The problem is the guns. That`s the -- that`s the wild card here, which ratchets this up to a dangerous level.

BECK: All right, Mickey, thank you very much.

SHERMAN: Pleasure.

BECK: Making a tedious story actually entertaining.

Coming up, a college student is tasered by campus police during a John Kerry event. Some say the action was overly aggressive. I say he was asking for it and deserved every single volt that he got. I`ll explain.

Plus, all last week in our special series "Exposed: The Perfect Day" I told you how terrorists may be planning an attack on our schools. A lot of people called me crazy. Well, tonight, I`m going to give you the inside look on how we might respond to that event, thanks to the FBI. That`s tonight`s "Real Story."

And this Florida prosecutor finds himself behind bars for flying to Florida for a sex date with a 5-year-old girl. Oh, it just doesn`t get any worse. Coming up.

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BECK: Coming up, America`s health care system is in shambles, and if you think our government can fix it, well then, why are you watching this show? You`re not smart enough to find the remote control. I barely trust them to send my mail. What`s the solution? I actually found one. It`s in tonight`s "Real Story."

Now, I`d like to say that my sense of humor has evolved past the point where I don`t enjoy watching someone get tasered. I`d like to say that, but I can`t. To me, taser videos are a little like potato chips. I just can`t watch just one.

But the latest edition to the genre is a little more layered than the usual demonstration video that local newscasters love to make. Andrew Meyer is pinhead from the University of Florida, who attended a speech by Senator John Kerry.

During the question and answer period, he went off on a long, convoluted rant about why Kerry conceded the 2004 election and then proceeded to accuse Kerry of not trying to impeach President Bush because they`re both members of the Yale Skull and Bones secret society, you know? Ooh.

Campus security then tried to gently escort Meyer out of the building, but he seriously resisted. And they felt a tasering might do him some good. So they did.

I would have tasered him just for being stupid enough to listen to John Kerry for two hours, just yammering on. In my opinion, I don`t see Meyer as a victim of an overly aggressively law enforcement agency. Looks as though this guy wanted to get tasered.

And don`t we live in a world of cell phone cameras and everything else, but there seemed to be more cameras on this guy than we use to tape this national show.

Bottom line, I think Meyer was grandstanding, looking for publicity. What better way in this YouTube culture than to star in your own video? Shocking, isn`t it?

I`ve got to tell you something: I am so sick of hearing of student`s rights. When are we going to start talking about the responsibility that these people have? And you know what, if he didn`t want to get tasered, I certainly would have put the idea in security`s head by repeatedly screaming, "Don`t taser me, no."

Andrew Meyer, you got your 15 minutes of fame. Sit down. Shut the pie hole.

Eunic Ortiz is a University of Florida student and former (ph) CNN U. Campus correspondent. Eunic, I`m guessing you disagree with me?

EUNIC ORTIZ, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA STUDENT: No. Not necessarily. I mean, I see both points. I see both points. I also heard that you mentioned it`s like a bag of potato chips. You can also say once you pop, you just can`t stop.

BECK: Yes. See?

ORTIZ: So you can also...

BECK: You kids these days.

Let me ask you this. Do you know him?

ORTIZ: Yes.

BECK: He`s known for pranks. He`s got a video with all kind of pranks. I mean, he`s got a web site where he`s got a lot of pranks on it. Is this guy really serious or, in your opinion, is this just trying to be famous?

ORTIZ: Well, have you seen his website? It`s the -- AndrewMeyer.com. I mean, if you read his blogs, you see his videos, I mean, someone can see for themselves.

Personally, I really don`t have an opinion of whether he`s a prankster or not. I don`t know him that, that well. I know him through classes and, you know, I`ve seen him around the station. Would I consider him a really close friend? No, not at all.

BECK: OK. The vibe on campus?

ORTIZ: Mm-hmm.

BECK: What is it? I mean, what are people saying? What are people saying? I`m sure it`s all like, "Hey man, I just need to smoke some dope, and why are all these police coming down on us?" I mean, that`s my `60s version of anything that might happen on a campus. What`s happening there?

ORTIZ: The only people you`re actually seeing on campus speak their opinion are the people, you know, police brutality, the ones who are protesting and walking across campus. But if you look at FaceBook and if you talk to people and talk to students, you see that it`s kind of down the middle.

Some students actually agree with the police of what they did and actually support them. Others say it`s police brutality. So I mean...

BECK: How is this police brutality? What else were they supposed to do? Do you have any idea? What else -- what are they supposed to do? Ask him kindly a seventh time? Maybe send me -- maybe a pick-me-up bouquet?

ORTIZ: Well, I don`t know. I mean, like I said, the vibe on campus is pretty down the middle. So, how students feel about it is, you know, whether or not -- whether or not the police did the right thing hasn`t been decided yet.

BECK: All right.

ORTIZ: That`s going to be up to the courts, I assure you.

BECK: Eunic, thank you very much for stopping by. Appreciate it.

It`s easy to cry police brutality when cartoonish activists like Andrew Meyer, just trying to prove a point. It just diminishes the few legitimate cases when law enforcement actually does cross the line. But where is the line? What happened here?

Bernie Machen, he is -- he is the president of the University of Florida.

Hello, Bernie. How are you? Thank you so much for accepting our offer to be on the program, sir.

BERNIE MACHEN, PRESIDENT, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA: Fine, Glenn. I`m glad to be here tonight.

BECK: Thank you.

You know, I have to tell you, when I thought this kid was a loud-mouth conservative, because I didn`t hear what he was saying. I just saw it up on the TV screen. The TV was muted. I thought he was just some conservative mouthing off to him, and I was glad they tasered him.

Now I found out that he was, you know, some sort of, you know, left- wing guy. I`m still glad they tasered him. I think the guy was out of line. Am I wrong?

MACHEN: Well, Glenn, that`s sort of what we`re trying to find out down here in Florida. You mentioned where the line is. We`re trying to determine what happened yesterday at that open forum that prevented civil discourse from occurring.

BECK: But wait a minute. Bernie, I mean, I`m just looking at the deal right here. He`s resisting arrest. They`re not -- they`re not even trying to arrest him. They`re just trying to escort him out.

Isn`t there something to be said -- I`m so sick of hearing about peoples` rights. You have a right. But you also, with that right, have a responsibility. And if you`re out of line, and they ask you to leave, leave.

MACHEN: Well, that`s -- that`s exactly the issue we`re looking at, Glenn. And in order to have civil discourse on a campus, there are rights and responsibilities for all the people that are involved. The speakers, the questioners and everyone.

And at this time, we don`t really know what caused this student to do what he did. Nor do we know exactly what the police`s response was in terms of protocol and how they`re supposed to react. But we`re going to find out.

BECK: But you and the police department have already been tried in public opinion. I mean, in the new YouTube world that we live in, you`re getting -- you`re getting hate mail from all over the world, aren`t you?

MACHEN: That`s correct.

You know, Glenn, one of the interesting things about this is that everyone with whom I`ve spoken who was in attendance at the town forum believes that there`s a case that the student and perhaps the police did some things that were a little excessive.

But the people on YouTube in England and California and New York who only see small clips have already decided what should happen and who`s guilty.

BECK: But Bernie, you know, I just -- I`ve got to go back to the clip. They`re trying to get him out. What else are the police supposed to do? You can`t use pepper spray, because there are other people there that would have been affected it.

They couldn`t -- they couldn`t lift the guy out. There`s one guy who`s trying to lift him out. He`s resisting the police. In my book, when you resist the police, you get what you got. I mean, what else were they supposed to do?

MACHEN: Well, the organizers of the event did ask that the microphone be quieted and that the questions terminate, so the police responded when asked by the organizers.

BECK: Which are students, right? Those are students?

MACHEN: Students themselves, correct.

BECK: OK.

MACHEN: And then the issue gets down to did we use too much force or did we use appropriate force. And that`s something where we`re going to get an outside expert opinion to sort it out.

BECK: You know, you go to all the experts you want. Here`s your outside opinion. They were fine. They were fine.

I don`t care what this kid`s opinion was. There`s some responsibility in public discourse.

Have you talked to John Kerry? I mean, I can`t imagine. I was thinking, if this were Dick Cheney standing on that stage, oh my gosh, they would have said, and he had helicopters trying to shoot at the kid as he ran out.

Did John Kerry react to this at all? Has he -- have you talked to him?

MACHEN: I have. He actually called me personally last night. And apologized for the University of Florida being involved in a situation like this.

BECK: Yes, well, wasn`t his fault. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, sir.

MACHEN: You bet.

BECK: And best of luck to you in the firestorm of insanity that is our education system.

Now time to find out where I`m wrong. I think the guy, his outburst was a planned prank. He deserves every volt that he got. In fact, I`d like to give him a few more shots, if we could. Go to CNN.com/Glenn right now and cast your vote.

Coming up, Andrew Meyer isn`t the only one who`s been tasered on tape. In fact, this is where it gets fun. A lot of people have done it on purpose. We have all of the shocking videos for you in tonight`s Taserpalooza, coming up at the end of the show.

Plus, state senator from Nebraska files a suit against God. Yes. We don`t have anything more important to do with our life or our political system. Huh-uh. That`s coming up next.

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BECK: You know, my folks used to tell me all the time, life ain`t fair. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Just look at that poor O.J. Simpson. Yes. Or Lindsay Lohan.

What are you supposed to do? It`s not like you can sue God or anything. Oh, no. In today`s America you can. That`s exactly what Nebraska Democratic State Senator Ernie Chambers has decided to do.

Chambers says his point isn`t to get damages from the king of kings, but rather, to prove a point about frivolous lawsuits by filing a frivolous lawsuit, which would be kind of like teaching my son Rafe not to crap his pants by crapping my pants, I think.

Joining me now is the senator himself.

ERNIE CHAMBERS (I), NEBRASKA STATE SENATOR: Yes, and I`m an independent, by the way.

BECK: You are an independent.

CHAMBERS: Yes.

BECK: OK. That`s good. Tell me, sir, how exactly -- give me your point.

CHAMBERS: From time to time, senators have been asked by special interest groups to pass laws prohibiting certain kinds of suits from being filed, but the Constitution requires that the doors of the courts be open to everybody. So I would tell my colleagues that means you can sue anybody, including God.

I offered this amendment -- this lawsuit to make that point, to generate a discussion about the nature of the judicial and the court systems, and to inform the public about these issues.

BECK: OK. So what -- what do you expect to come out of this? What do you -- what do you want? I agree with you. Frivolous lawsuits are enough to drive me out of my mind but what`s going to happen now?

CHAMBERS: I want the public to understand that anybody can file a lawsuit but that nearly filing it does not guarantee a favorable outcome and that not every wrong has a judicial remedy. And if that message can be drilled home, and I`m hoping this discussion we hope to do it, public opposition might prevent some of the types of frivolous lawsuits from being filed.

BECK: All right. What are you suing God for?

CHAMBERS: Well, because, that`s the way to get peoples` attention. In Nebraska...

BECK: I mean, you have no case?

CHAMBERS: There`s subtlety of the kind that is amenable to a bowling ball at very close range upside the head. So if I merely stated what I`m telling you, nobody would have listened.

BECK: Right.

CHAMBERS: By getting the peoples` attention, now we might can do some educating.

BECK: You serving papers to God?

CHAMBERS: Well, since God is everywhere, he has -- he is in Omaha and Douglas County. And since he knows everything, he is aware of the fact that this lawsuit was filed, so he has noticed.

BECK: Should this be filed in superior court?

CHAMBERS: Well, I don`t think so because we don`t have a superior court in Nebraska. But even if I filed it in the lowest court, it would have the same effect and impact.

BECK: Some people might say -- because I found this picture of you. And you know how sometimes they find spooky pictures of people. And you`re like, "Oh, my gosh. I had no idea." You know, there`s like a ghost in the picture or something.

You were -- you were in the -- you were speaking some place. That`s a fan behind you.

CHAMBERS: No. There`s no fan behind me.

BECK: Is that a halo?

CHAMBERS: If that`s what it is. I can`t see it.

BECK: Yes.

CHAMBERS: But maybe it`s punishing you all on your end for what I have done.

BECK: Is that what it is?

Real quick. One quick question. Your critics are saying you`re an agnostic and so you`re just trying to drag this -- you know, you`re trying to make some anti-religious point. I don`t see it. Is that...

CHAMBERS: No, no. I tell people whatever makes their boat float go for it. I`m not trying to take anybody`s faith. I`m not trying to diminish their God. I needed for a teaching instrument, and I think it`s serving that purpose.

BECK: All right. Senator Chambers, thank you very much.

CHAMBERS: My pleasure.

BECK: Up next, how do we fix America`s health care system? Maybe we should sue God because I`m sick. I`ll explain in tonight`s "Real Story". There is an answer. We, the people. Next.

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BECK: Coming up, an assistant U.S. attorney from Florida is busted for setting up a date with a 5-year-old girl. He worked out all the travel plans with the girl`s mother, or so he thought. His little date with the 5-year-old didn`t go exactly as planned. Wait until you hear the details.

But first, welcome to the "Real Story." We`re going to tell you a story about -- it happened back in 1936, Johnstown, Pennsylvania. It was hit by a second devastating flood less than 50 years. The water rose 14 feet in some areas, over a dozen people were killed, and total property damage was estimated at over $40 million.

Well, to help the town get back on its feet, the government decided to swoop in, and they levied a temporary 10 percent tax on alcohol sales in the state. All the proceeds were going to go help the poor flood victims. Well, here it is 71 years later. That little tax, that 10 percent temporary tax, turned into an 18 percent permanent one that now brings in about $200 million a year to all of Pennsylvania. Not a single red cent goes to help Johnstown flood victims because they`re all dead.

The reason I tell you this story is because it represents the "Real Story," that when it comes to government intervention, they got no clue. Even when they have the best of intentions, like helping the poor flood victims or, yes, making sure that everybody has access to health care, they always screw it up in the end. I don`t know if you`ve noticed, but once you start giving the government money, you`re never going to stop. In fact, they usually like to ask for more.

Hillary`s new mandatory health care plan, ironically titled American Health Choices, may seem like a bargain at only more than double the cost of the entire U.S. Department of Homeland Security, but, trust me, that`s just a teaser rate, and we all know how well those worked out in the end.

The way to solve our health care problem is not to give government more power. It`s to give the people more power. Capitalism can find the answer. Capitalism is always the answer, but only if we stop pretending that the government has any answer.

Take the airline industry, for example. After the government stopped dictating ticket prices and routes, fares dropped over 40 percent. Now the market`s able to come up with alternatives to the old legacy carriers. One of the alternatives is JetBlue. It has revolutionized the way some people think about air travel and the brother of JetBlue founder David Neeleman thinks he can do the same thing for health care.

Dr. Steven Neeleman is the founder and CEO of HealthEquity. I have to tell you, Steve, I heard your solution today, and I think it`s brilliant. It`s exactly the kind of thing that we would need. It makes all the sense in the world and keeps big, fat government`s nose out of it. Tell me how it works.

DR. STEVE NEELEMAN, CEO AND CO-FOUNDER, HEALTHEQUITY: Well, the key, Glenn -- thank you for having me on the show -- the key is that we need to give people great coverage for major events, excellent coverage for preventive care, and then we need to give them the same tax advantages that we give to insurance companies for paying for routine care. And the center point of this can be a health savings account. The key to the excellent coverage for major events is that, when somebody has a big issue, you need to have the safety net...

BECK: Yes.

NEELEMAN: ... for them. But, also, we know that preventive care is the thing that keeps people out of the emergency room. It`s the thing that keeps people from going in to see the cancer specialist when you can treat it. And so, the problem, though, is that people right now are addicted to what I would call HMOs and things like that, and it keeps them from using these types of plans.

BECK: OK, so wait a minute. I just want to make sure I understand this right. What you do is you pay for catastrophic care...

NEELEMAN: Right.

BECK: ... so if I have to have heart surgery this afternoon, which I might, because I think I have a French fry stuck in one of my valves, if I have to have that, then what happens is I get covered by you.

NEELEMAN: Yes.

BECK: But I pay very little because it`s only catastrophic care to you.

NEELEMAN: That`s right.

BECK: But I also pay a couple hundred of dollars a month and it goes into a savings account.

NEELEMAN: That`s right.

BECK: Right?

NEELEMAN: And the key to the savings account, it`s not like a flexible spending account that`s use it or lose it. The FSAs cause people to spend more money because, when it`s the middle of December and you still have money in your FSA, you head off to the optometrist and buy a bunch of pairs of glasses. The health savings account rolls over. You can invest it. You can see growth in that account. It`s all tax free.

BECK: OK. I`m trying to figure out what the problem with this would be. Why would anyone say, no, we should go with Hillarycare?

NEELEMAN: You know, I think that people are worried that American consumers don`t have the ability to carefully shop for health care the same way we carefully shop for other things.

BECK: You know, does it seem to you at all that people just either don`t understand capitalism or don`t like capitalism? There`s something in America that just -- it drives me crazy. These politicians don`t seem to understand the free market system, that there are bad people in the free market system that will screw people. That`s what they do. Those people need to be punished. But the capitalist system, the free market system, will always invent the best wheel.

NEELEMAN: Yes, I think Milton Friedman said it best. Nobody spends somebody else`s money as carefully as they spend their own. And what happens is, when people are in a free market spending their own money, they`ll end up requiring the providers not to rip them off and give them better deals and better quality.

BECK: OK, so tell me the one thing that I do hear from people that makes sense to me is, you have people going into emergency rooms, you`re going to pay for them anyway. We`ve got to cover those people. How do you respond to that?

NEELEMAN: Look, many, many people -- over half of the people that are uninsured in this country right now are gainfully employed. Over half of them have household incomes that are over $50,000 a year. You`ve got to give them an insurance benefit they want to use.

People that make money want to be able to have good insurance. And when you offer them insurance that they just -- if they don`t use it, they lose it every month, then they`re going to turn away from it. We need to give people good options in a free market, and when they buy those...

BECK: And then if they don`t use it, then they get that money at the end of the year.

NEELEMAN: Yes, exactly.

BECK: So it`s like an investment. Thank you very much. Good luck. Thank you.

NEELEMAN: Appreciate it.

BECK: All right, now we`re hearing from lots of people in the wake of our "Perfect Day" series from last week, where the focus that we put on was on the threat of terrorists attacking our schools. Most people are writing in and thanking us for trying to sound the alarm that our government won`t or, probably better put, can`t sound because of the fear of panic that something like this would cause. And other people believe that we`re just fear mongering alarmists who should keep the pie hole shut.

Well, to those people, then I`d like you to consider why at least one FBI field office is now preparing for a very similar situation to what we`ve been talking about. In the video that you`re about to see, agents perform a full-scale exercise involving a terror threat to a school. And while they substitute the far more politically correct Canadian skinhead terrorists, which I`m afraid of, instead of Islamic extremists, the idea is exactly the same.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is where it ends. FBI SWAT teams converge on an elementary school 28 hours after the crisis begins. Students flee. It`s a scenario the FBI doesn`t usually let cameras in to see.

MARK MERSHON, ASSISTANT DIR. FBI NEW YORK: This is the single most ambitious field training exercise any FBI field office has ever undertaken.

FEYERICK: The training exercise starts here with a plastic dummy wearing military fatigues shot through the head.

A short distance away acting on a tip, FBI divers make their own discovery. This scenario may be pretend but what happens here has been taken from real cases. The pressure on for investigators to solve the crime before anyone else dies.

Near the car pulled from the lake divers also found a backpack and inside this tool which represents a weapon and printouts from an international skinhead group out of Canada. They also found a receipt for a storage company and it`s this receipt that links the murder here to the murder back at the ravine. Because investigators there found a business card for the very same storage company in the pocket of the dead man.

What does not suggest?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That suggests that we`re dealing with some dangerous people.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Dangerous people in this exercise who turn out to be domestic terrorists. They go to retrieve a bomb hidden in a storage unit. I`m not allowed to show you the FBI surveillance techniques.

(on camera): The agents now have a beat on a possible suspect. It is critical to get the snipers and the assault teams into position.

(voice-over): The snipers dressed in gillie suits vanish around a house in the woods, hostages inside. The mock terrorists demand to speak with an FBI boss. Tensions run high.

FEYERICK (on camera): The negotiations have been going on for more than six hours. One woman and two children have been released in exchange for food, cigarettes, and insulin. But negotiations are about to break down.

(voice-over): One of the hostages in this drill is killed. Agents uncover the ultimate plot. The mock terror group plants bombs in a school. Time is running out.

JIM GAGLIANO, FBI CRISIS MGMT. COORDINATOR: As soon as something happens at a school it changes everything because you`re not going sit there and do a risk assessment. You`re going to go in and you`re going to stop harm being done to children.

FEYERICK: It`s now or never. This time, it`s a game, one that ends well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ultimate objective for us is to prevent the next terrorist act in the United States and for all of us to go home safely at the end of the day.

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BECK: Again, America, I ask you to keep your eyes peeled for those vicious Canadian skinhead terrorists. They`re everywhere. Honestly, if the FBI has to be politically correct to get this message out, I don`t care. I`m just glad that somebody is finally taking the threat seriously in a public way. Our government has been preparing for this. I`m glad they`re now recognizing it.

You can ignore everything I say if you`d like to, but what you can`t ignore is what the FBI is doing. Remember, they may not be able to come out and talk about this, but actions speak louder than words.

Also, just a reminder that today is the last day to subscribe to my "Fusion" magazine in time to get the October issue. This features an article by Brad Thor. It`s an exclusive report on the terror threat to our schools. You can order it right now calling 888-GLENN-BECK or go to glennbeck.com. But remember, the deadline is tonight, so you must call now.

Coming up next, John Mark Karr is it again. He`s got a tribute Web site out to JonBenet Ramsey. This guy can`t get out of his own way. We`ll have all the details and something much more sinister, right around the corner.

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BECK: You know what`s really sad, Stu, is that, in our society, we are the losers, and those who are focused today on whether Britney Spears is going to keep her child or not...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you think?

BECK: ... whether -- I think she`s going to -- I think she`s going to lose the kid. I don`t think -- I don`t think she can do the drug testing thing.

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BECK: All right, I`m going to take a dark turn here. Every time a creepy new pedophile story comes out, I think this is it. I mean, after this story, it just can`t get anymore disturbing. Sadly, I am always wrong.

First story, John Mark Karr, you remember him, Captain High Pants? Launching a new tribute Web site to JonBenet Ramsey. The pervs are all over this one. Again, he`s like, "Oh, I`m so sorry for what I did." This guy is -- I mean, I don`t know what`s wrong with him. No, better yet, I don`t know what`s wrong with his new wife.

Now, it gets worse. There is also a new pedophile joining the ranks of John Mark Karr and Jack McClellan. This scumbag`s name is John Atchison. He is a 53-year-old U.S. attorney from Florida. He was arrested at the Michigan airport after flying halfway across the country to have sex with a 5-year-old. According to Internet messages obtained by authorities, it doesn`t look like it was a first time he has done this.

Wendy Murphy is a former prosecutor, author of "And Justice for Some." Wendy, this -- this is -- I think this is the most disturbing you and I have talked about in the year, maybe longer.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes. Yes. I mean, it`s bad enough that he was going there for a 5-year-old child. Sex with a 5-year-old child? But he`s a federal prosecutor. You know what? I think it`s time we understand the types of people who are hunting for children are not John Mark Karr and McClellan and the sort of weirdos who keep going on television and saying, "I like to do bad things to children." They`re probably going to be the least dangerous, because the real pervs don`t want to be caught, so they`re not yakking up a storm on television. They`re hiding because they don`t want to go to prison. You know why? There aren`t any kiddies in prison.

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BECK: This guy -- good. Good. He should be in a prison or an incinerator. This guy wrote -- and this is extraordinarily graphic and, if you have kids, turn off the TV for just a second. "During continuous conversations on the Internet, he expressed a desire to engage in three different kinds of sex with this 5-year-old girl." He wrote, "I`m always gentle and loving. Not to worry. No damage ever. No rough stuff. I can absolutely be sure there would be no harm. I go slow. It`s very easy. I`ve done it before." He appeared at the airport on Sunday with a Dora the Explorer doll, hoop earrings, and petroleum jelly. He told the fictitious mom, who was actually an undercover cop, to tell the girl that she had found her a new boyfriend and he was bringing presents.

MURPHY: So sweet. You know, the one thing that`s good about this story -- and the gory details do have to come out, Glenn. I mean, it`s terrible to talk about this stuff, but it`s got to come out, because he really does fit the profile. Strange as it may sound, and he is not the type we think who does this, this extraordinary interest in little girls, the fact that he is narcissistic about it, the fact that he thinks it`s not harmful, these are the kinds of things people say in the name of trying to get access. This is partly the personality we don`t think is so dangerous, when a guy who, for example, you know -- this guy also volunteers in his community in the youth groups and so forth. Those are the kinds of red flags we, as parents, have to be paying attention to, the guy who might be too good to be true.

BECK: Wendy, Wendy, how do you trust anybody? I mean, honestly. This guy was a U.S. attorney. He was married. I think he has children. We have more on this dirtbag tomorrow. He was volunteering, the president of his town sports league. How do you know?

MURPHY: Well, look, you don`t know. And I`m going to say something, and you know, you know that this is going to sound like I`m sweeping with a very broad brush. There are certain characteristics that, if they`re present, could well mean we`re talking about a predator.

BECK: What are they? What are they?

MURPHY: But that doesn`t mean everyone who has these characteristics is a predator.

BECK: I get it. I get it. I get it. What are they?

MURPHY: First and foremost, they spend an awful lot of time with kids, almost too good to be true amount of time with kids. They don`t have a lot of peers that they like to hang around with. You know, they`re not going to the bar with the guys. They are narcissistic more often than not and, you know, not surprisingly, they`re a bit naive. They almost come across as not understanding the social rules of behavior in other settings.

And I`ve got to tell you, we always look back when a guy like this gets caught and we go, "Oh, now that you mention it, he was kind of like that." You can`t arrest somebody for having those characteristics, but you can watch more carefully, if you`re a parent worried about figuring out who the scary people are.

BECK: And I have to tell you, Wendy, I`ve had nightmares the last couple of weeks. For the first time in I don`t know in how many years, with all the stuff that are going on in the world, and these pedophiles, and me exposing them on the air, I have had nightmares with my kids. It`s a horrific thing. I am afraid of pedophiles. You know, I`m not changing my behavior. I`m just more aware. But I also find myself disengaging from kids and not -- you know, just not doing anything with kids, because you don`t ever want anybody to look at you and say -- because I do. I look at somebody who looks at my kid and they just go, "Oh, what a cute kid." I`m immediately like, "What do you mean by that?"

MURPHY: But you know what, Glenn? You`re making an important point, which is that we seem more willing to trust certain types, the beautiful people, and not other types, the scary-looking people. The truth is, we shouldn`t naturally or automatically trust anybody. How about we let them earn our trust? How`s that for an idea? We don`t do that nearly enough.

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MURPHY: You know what? It is not that scary. We should like each other and be open, but let`s not be dumb. Eyes wide open.

BECK: OK, Wendy, thanks a lot.

Coming up, you have seen criminals Tasered on TV, but what about those who willingly shock themselves in the name of education or, dare I say it, ratings? Don`t miss Taser-palooza after the break. Oh, it`s going to be fun with morons, next.

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BECK: Well, earlier in the program, I brought you the story of the University of Florida student Andrew Meyer who was Tasered by campus police when had disrupted a John Kerry speech and then wouldn`t leave willingly. I`d run for the exits if he was speaking.

It got me to thinking, you know, I`m almost in my mid-40s now, I have yet to be Tasered which, I mean, that`s hard for me to say. I don`t think I could say that for a lot of our best journalists working today. And maybe that`s because I`m not an actual journalist, nor do I pretend to be. I wear it as a badge of honor, quite frankly.

The reason I bring this up is I don`t understand why, over the years, dozens of newscasters have taken it upon themselves to risk life and limb just for the sake of showing viewers that getting Tasered is excruciatingly painful. I mean, I`m not Tasered, and I think I get that. I`d like to take a few moments now to salute the brave men and women of our country, both professionals and amateurs alike, thanks YouTube, who willingly risk life, limb, great pain, humiliation all in the name of public service.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here we go. Three, two, one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do it, dude.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, oh, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, boy, that felt good

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I`m not going. I`m not going.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, jeez.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop. Oh.

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BECK: Jeez. Don`t forget, if you want to know what`s on tomorrow`s show or if you`d like to get a little more -- I`m kidding -- a little more in-depth commentary on the news of the day, just sign for my free e-mail newsletter at glennbeck.com. From New York...

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