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American Facing Food Rationing?; Carter Doing More Harm than Good in Middle East; What`s Real Price of Oil?

Aired April 21, 2008 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the global food crisis is growing. We`re feeling here it in the breadbasket as retailers actually begin to limit purchases on stable items. Is there a growing fear that food rationing might not be too far behind? You`re beginning to feel the crunch. And we`ll at least admit it.

Plus, former President Carter returns from the Middle East with an odd souvenir: an agreement of sorts with an Islamic militant group, Hamas. I`ll explain why this could be the beginning of the end?

And while I was on vacation last week, I did notice that Barack Obama said that people cling to religion and guns because they`re bitter. Oh, why this disconnect from America`s heartland could cost more than just Pennsylvania.

All this and more tonight.

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BECK: Well, hello, America.

I said on my radio program, back on February 11, and if I can quote, here it is: "America, for the first time in history we will have to import wheat. Now, what does that mean to the rest of the world? We`ve sold too much wheat. We don`t have enough wheat for ourselves," end quote.

Food shortages and rationing are not just memories from World War II; they`re beginning to be real and happening now. So here`s "The Point" tonight. The breadbasket of the world is burning through its food supply, and it`s our leaders in Washington who are taking the food right directly out of your and your children`s mouths. And here is how I got there.

We used to be so good at producing food in this country that American farmers grew more than we could eat. That`s how we became one of the world`s primary food suppliers. Well, today slightly a different story. Demand for staples like flour, rice, cooking oil, are as high as they have ever been, but the supply is getting lower by the day. And for the first time in our history, we`re actually importing wheat. Told you that back in February.

I said prices haven`t changed yet, but they will. Here it is. The price of eggs and milk skyrocketing 11 to 25 percent higher than this time last year. It is the largest increase in almost two decades.

And now, according to an article in today`s "New York Sun," some Costco stores have placed restrictions and buying limits on food staples, the foundations many people like you and I rely on to feed our families.

Well I`ve been saying for a while now we are on the brink of some real troubled times, and we should prepare so nobody has to panic. While others have said that we`re on the eve of the second Great Depression, still others say nothing to worry about. I think we`re somewhere in between.

Many say there`s financial security in buying gold. I know I have some. I think that the only thing that you want to -- you ought to do is, if you`re somebody says, "Hey, you know, that`s a little unreasonable." Don`t worry about the gold. Maybe you should think about putting some of your money into rice and wheat.

Tonight America, here`s what you need to know. Go to the store, please, and buy some food and then store it. Please. I`ve been telling you for months and it still makes sense. It`s not because I think we`re going to run out of food. We`re America. We`re not going to run out of food. But demand and inflation are only going to increase. The price of food is going to get a lot worse before it even gets just a little bit better.

So, save money. Insure your family`s safety at the same time, just go out and buy some food and store it. Don`t go crazy.

How did we get in this mess? Well, I`ll tell you about that in just a second. But first, I`m going to give you an idea about how serious this problem really is.

Josh Gerstein is the national reporter for "The New York Sun."

Josh, I read your story today and found it fascinating. Some of this is just evidence that you saw just, you know, walking through the store in California. Can you tell me about the experience?

JOSH GERSTEIN, "THE NEW YORK SUN": Yes, I was in a Costco store down the road from me now in Mountain View, California, just on Friday. And I was doing some shopping for my daughter`s birthday party, actually. And as I was checking out, I noticed this sign behind the manager`s desk there saying, "Due to a shortage of rice, we`re limiting purchases based on your prior purchasing history. Please contact a manager if you want to know your personal limit."

And I thought, well, that`s a little weird. I`ve never heard of anything like that in my entire lifetime growing up in this country. And so I went back there on Sunday and, indeed, it was the case that not only were they limiting the purchases of rice, but it turned out they only had one kind that most people don`t use, which is Indian basmati rice. They had no other rice.

And there were a lot of people -- this area has a lot of Indian, and Chinese and other Asian folks that live in this area. And they were wandering the aisles sort of looking for the rice, which frankly wasn`t there.

BECK: OK. Now you, you then did some further checking. And this is not widespread at this point. But you say here in New York, they`re also limiting purchases of flour?

GERSTEIN: Yes, I checked in with a Costco store in Queens, and was told that they don`t limit rice but they do limit your purchases of flour and cooking oil.

And then I began checking on the Internet, some blogs -- you know, strangely, you have to go to the survival blogs to get the information. But it turns out there have been sporadic shortages of all those staples up and down the West Coast for the last couple of months. And also in New England and New York, Western Massachusetts, I`ve heard about similar kinds of limitations.

And when you research it a little more, you find out, well, some wholesalers are saying they`re having trouble keeping rice in stock. And the stuff you were talking about earlier with the wheat. A lot of wheat is just being bought right out of this country, because our currency has collapsed, making all these things really, really cheap for foreigners that want to come in here and buy them.

BECK: But you also have the -- the problem that -- I mean, I know I grew up in a bakery. Not literally, but my family owned a bakery. And when prices would get crazy you`d go out and you`d buy extra because you`d know. OK, this is only going to get worse, so you`d go out and buy extra flour. And that`s what`s happening with some of these -- with some of these products. Like bakeries are coming in, and they`re buying up a lot of flour. And so there are shortages. Right or wrong?

GERSTEIN: That`s part of what`s going on. Sure. When the bakery suppliers find out the price of wheat has gone up double or triple, naturally the bakery manager is going to look around the neighborhood and think, "Where else can I get some flour, at least for the next few weeks." And that`s part of what`s causing this shortage.

In the bigger stores -- I`m not saying you can`t get a small package of flour at the supermarket.

BECK: Sure.

GERSTEIN: But if you want a 50-pound bag, it`s becoming scarce in some areas.

BECK: You know, did you meet anybody that is at all concerned? Did you meet anybody, besides survivalists, that are like, "Wait a minute. This should be -- this should be on my radar screen now"?

GERSTEIN: Yes, I mean, people were surprised. I talked to folks at the store. And, you know, Costco is such a tribute to consumer mania. You know, you can see everything in there. There`s all kinds of things that you certainly don`t need, although they would be nice to have.

So the stores` shelves are not bare. But you get to the rice, which is sort of a staple.

BECK: Yes.

GERSTEIN: And there`s virtually nothing there. And people were saying to me, like, why is it there are plenty of TVs and plenty of dog food, but I can`t buy any rice? It just seemed weird to folks.

BECK: OK. Josh, thanks a lot.

Now that`s the effect. What`s the cause of this? Well, it`s something we have told you about for a long time. We are burning our food supply.

Michael Grunwald, he`s the national correspondent for "TIME" magazine.

I have to tell you, Michael. When you have global food prices going up in the last year 83 percent -- I`m sorry, over the last three years, 83 percent increase in global food prices, you have a problem. One of the problems is ethanol. You want to explain?

MICHAEL GRUNWALD, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Sure. And it`s biofuels in general. I mean, as you mentioned there are other parts of the problem. You know, gas prices are skyrocketing. And you know, there`s been some weird weather.

But -- but at least a third of the problem probably is the fact that farmers around the world and particularly in the United States are growing fuel instead of food. And that`s -- as you mentioned, supply and demand. When you increase the demand, the price is going to go up.

BECK: All right. But give -- let`s put this in context. Because this is something that we have been talking about. Before anybody started down this ethanol stuff, we were on this program saying this is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Let`s not burn through our fuel supply -- supply. Ethanol doesn`t work.

Tell me how much grain does it take to fill up an SUV and use that same grain. How long does it -- how long can a human survive on the same amount of grain?

GRUNWALD: You could -- you could feed an adult male for a year on the amount of grain it would take to fill up an SUV. So, you know, this is -- this is a problem. Because of government subsidies and government mandates, that have created this artificial demand for, basically, growing fuel. And so we`re feeding -- feeding our gas tanks instead of feeding ourselves.

BECK: You know, there`s a lot of people -- because I don`t think it`s getting a lot of coverage. There`s -- there`s riots in the Middle East. There`s riots in Indonesia. I mean, it`s bad -- the demand for food and rice that is being rationed now around the world.

You`ve got to ask yourself -- you know they hate us right now because of our foreign policy and us being in bed with dictators like Egypt or Saudi Arabia just for oil. How much is the rest of the world going to hate us when we are -- when we`re starving their people to death because of an invisible gas?

GRUNWALD: I think that`s a fair point. I mean, you know, there are riots in Mexico, riots in Haiti, right in our backyard. I mean, you talk about a place like Pakistan which, already, you know as if it wasn`t unstable enough. The rising food prices there have added to that instability. And as we found out, you know, when Pakistan gets unstable, we can feel it here in the United States.

ECK: Yes. Give me -- just give me one last -- one last piece here. The government is currently paying in our tax dollars $1.8 billion a year to stop farmers from farming on good land for environmental reasons.

You say we`re doing the same thing with -- for environmental reasons with ethanol and, you know, fuel for our hybrids. You actually say that all of this stuff is making the environment much, much worse?

GRUNWALD: Yes. Almost all of it. I think, you know, deforestation right now is about 20 percent of our carbon emissions. And the sort of long story short is that when you create this artificial demand for -- for grain, people are going to grow more grain. And they`re not going to grow it in parking lots. They`re going to grow it in forest and wetlands. And these are places that originally stored immerse amounts of carbon.

So while these biofuels do burn, in some cases, slightly cleaner than gas and, in some cases, considerably cleaner, but you burn off all the excess carbon when you tear down these forests.

BECK: Unbelievable. All right. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, Michael.

Now, coming up, Jimmy Carter is in the news -- could it go from bad to worse? Oh, yes, he`s back from his trip to the Mideast. He had a little chat with a terrorist organization named Hamas. I`ve got the results. Also the context of that meeting -- I`m sure you`re not going to get any place else.

And I want to introduce you to the newest Jimmy Carter. Yes, there he is, Barack Obama, the subject of tonight`s "Real Story."

And then the latest from the federal raid on the fundamentalist sect in Texas. DNA testing begins today. But the legal tango may be much more complicated. Was this all started by a hoax?

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BECK: Well now, what Obama need and, to be honest, what the entire Democratic Party needed, was a decisive win in Pennsylvania to wrap up the Democratic primaries. Ten days ago, it seemed like that wouldn`t have been, you know, too much to ask for. But then Obama opened up his mouth, you know, saying people like you and me, bitter. We cling to our guns and our religion.

We`ll look at how those words will haunt Obama through November in tonight`s "Real Story."

But first call me an optimist but honestly, I didn`t think the news could get any worse. And then Jimmy Carter showed up. Let me just remind you, Jimmy Carter, horrible president. But at least we only had to deal with his energy crisis, his Iran hostage crisis, and the -- oh, yes, the economic crisis for four years. Thank goodness for Ronald Reagan. I don`t think America could have survived a second Carter term.

But now I feel Jimmy Carter may actually do more harm as a former president than he did as president. And that`s saying something.

I think it`s great that Jimmy Carter likes to build houses for the poor. No, I really do. But when he stops being a carpenter and starts thinking, "Hey, maybe I`ll be a peacemaker," I kind of feel like boycotting peanuts. How about you?

Carter has just ended his Middle East peace trip. And he says now -- and he`s bringing home a souvenir, an agreement from the terrorist group Hamas, that says, they`ll accept a peaceful co-existence with Israel. Oh, that`s great. And I believe them. This is -- even though they refuse to officially recognize Israel as a nation. And they still proclaim that they want Israel wiped off the map, which is weird because it seems like the second part negates the first part of that. But I`m sure Jim has got that all figured out.

So to sum up, Jimmy Carter is a stooge. Is this just another argument against him or is this a sign of what some people have been waiting for, for like, say, the last 2,000 years.

Joel Rosenberg is the author of "Dead Heat" and the founder of the Joshua Fund. He`ll be joining me all week to answer some of these questions about the Middle East and the end of days -- Joel.

JOEL ROSENBERG, AUTHOR, "DEAD HEAT": Hey, Glenn, how are you?

BECK: Very good. President/preacher boy, Jimmy Carter, doesn`t seem to understand a little something I like to call evil.

ROSENBERG: He doesn`t. This president is literally the worst ex- president we`ve ever had. And he displayed it this week. He literally doesn`t understand the difference between good and evil.

And you know, look, Hamas is a terrorist organization. They`re a genocidal organization. You read the founding document of the Hamas charter, back in 1988, `89. Read it. It says, "Under no circumstances will we allow a peace treaty between us and the Jews, the Zionists. We`re going to wipe them off the face of the planet."

BECK: Well, that`s 1897 -- 1988. Those are old details. Why do you keep bringing up the past like that?

ROSENBERG: Well, because just this year, Hamas television is running cartoons of Asud (ph) the bunny. Asud (ph) the bunny is claiming he will eat all the Jews in Palestine in order to liberate the homeland of Palestine.

BECK: It`s a bunny.

ROSENBERG: This is just the type of examples of how they are inciting children, not to mention adults, for genocide. Genocide is what Hamas wants. Carter doesn`t understand this.

BECK: Joel, children know the difference that a cartoon bunny is not going to eat all the Jews.

ROSENBERG: Well -- and yet the Hamas leaders are raising terrorists, suicide bombers.

I mean, look, the problem is. And I make this point in "Dead Heat" the central theme of my political thriller, which is to misunderstand the nature and threat of evil is to risk being blindsided by it.

BECK: You know, the last time we failed to recognize evil, we failed to recognize evil in Germany. And we waited and we waited. And we said, "Oh, well they don`t really mean that." They were very clear. Anybody who read "Mein Kampf," you can`t deny that, you know -- look, I`m of German descent. I remember when I went in and bought "Mein Kampf." Because I wanted to know if the German people really knew or not.

If you read "Mein Kampf," you have no excuse. He was extraordinarily clear on how he felt about the Jews. And it`s the same thing that`s happening now. And yet all of these people are just in absolute denial. Jimmy Carter, he`s got to be an anti-Semite.

ROSENBERG: You know, look, I think often of the Jerry Seinfeld episode where George Costanza -- where Jerry says, "Look, George if every instinct you`ve ever had is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."

And I look at Jimmy Carter. And any instinct that he has had in foreign policy has always been wrong.

BECK: No.

ROSENBERG: And we have to just do the exact opposite. I mean this is -- look, if you read "Mein Kampf" in 1939, and you said, "Well, Hitler wrote that years ago. What does that have to do with becoming final solution?" Come 1945, everybody understood that.

BECK: OK. So let me change gears real quick. Because we`re spending time with you, because I read "Dead Heat," and it`s fantastic. And I know your other books have -- have, in a way, come true. Some of the things that you`ve written about, and 9/11 was one of them. You predicted the planes and everything else.

I want to talk to you a little bit about. Jeez, and I`m getting a 30- second. Quick, let`s tie it into the end time. Any sign of the end times here in anything of this stuff with Hamas and peace deals?

ROSENBERG: Well, what`s weird about this right now is that Hamas -- what Carter is coming home is saying Hamas is allowing for a ten-year hudna, a 10-year truce. In other words, Hamas won`t say they recognize Israel. But for ten years, let`s cut a deal. Let`s create a Palestinian state, and we`ll have ten years of semi-peace.

What`s interesting about this is this may set into motion -- I don`t know. But it may set in motion what the Bible talks about: a seven-year peace deal in which the leader that signs the deal with Israel then breaks the deal halfway through. This comes from Daniel, comes from Revelations.

BECK: OK. Joel, we`ll talk to you more about that later on this week.

Every night, join us as he joins us. And again, "Dead Heat" is a phenomenal book.

Coming up: oil prices continue to rise to alarming heights. But is there a magic number that will finally break our oil-friendly economy`s back? You bet there is. I`ll give it to you, coming up.

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BECK: When it comes to crunching the numbers on oil prices, analysts tend to get a little slippery. When oil was, I think, $60 or $70 a barrel, experts told me that, "Oh, the economy won`t take a hit as soon as the price hits $100 a barrel." Well, $100 a barrel oil seems like the good old days, quite frankly. This morning, a barrel of oil was just under $118 a barrel.

So what is the real number when the price of oil stops our cars and our economy from running?

David Andelman is the executive editor for Forbes.com.

David, $118 a barrel. That`s not the $3.50 a gallon that we`re seeing right now, because these are oil futures. When does $118 a barrel actually hit us at the pump? And what is that number going to be?

DAVID ANDELMAN, FORBES.COM: Pretty soon. I mean, certainly by the summer. There`s no question we could be seeing $4 oil. Frankly, by a year from now we could be seeing $5 a barrel oil. Remember, in Europe they`re already paying $8...

BECK: OK.

ANDELMAN: ... a gallon. A gallon. Absolutely. Eight dollars a gallon they`re paying in Europe. We could be paying $5 here before very long.

BECK: OK. Well, they`re paying $8. I know the UK today, I think, hit $10 a gallon. But that`s -- that`s not because of oil prices. That`s because their government is just screwing them at the pump.

ANDELMAN: Well, there is that.

BECK: Yes, but that`s a different story.

So tell me what the number actually is. Because you`re starting to see it now. Food prices are going up. You`re seeing these airlines having problems. Jets were not built, these giant jets were not built to be profitable over $100 a barrel. When do things like trucking, when do they just stop?

ANDELMAN: Well, nothing is going to stop, obviously. But things could get very bad very quickly. There`s no question about that.

Look, OPEC said today it was not going to produce any more oil because -- to raise to lower prices. Well, guess what? They can`t. There isn`t any more there. There`s only as much as they`re pumping now. And that`s as much as there`s ever going to be.

Frankly, the peak oil people are probably right. We`ve gotten about as much oil out of the ground or are getting as much oil out of the ground as we possibly can.

So what happens? We keep using more. China is going to be using more. India is going to be using more. They`re all out there using more. We could see $200 a barrel oil very soon, $300 within the next couple of years.

BECK: Wait, wait, wait. David, this -- this economy was not built for $100. It`s like we`re like the 727s. We`re not built for that.

ANDELMAN: Nor was society. There seems to be a God-given right in America to think that you can just fly home to Chicago from New York for the weekend. Well, guess what? You`re not going to be able to.

I just booked a ticket to Switzerland. The end of June I have to get over there. Right? I paid a $200 a ticket fuel surcharge on a $600 ticket.

BECK: David, let me ask you this. I read a story just recently that said that intercontinental travel, from flying from, you know, New York to Europe, or -- will be a thing of the past for, except for the real rich. And even cross-continental travel will be a once, twice, three times in a lifetime kind of event. Do you believe that to be true?

ANDELMAN: Absolutely. Look, my grandparents, when they came from the old country, they came by boat. And that was the only way they could get here. Look at the Conestoga wagons. That`s how we settled America. We could be back to the Conestoga wagons before long.

BECK: Well, that`s good. I should have stayed on vacation a little - - just a little longer.

ANDELMAN: If you could afford to.

BECK: Have some cake and ice cream. Thank you very much, David.

Now, coming up, Jimmy Carter having discussions with Hamas. Bad enough. But a presidential candidate hoping to embrace that kind of foreign policy, much, much worse. Barack Obama, the subject of tonight`s "Real Story," coming up.

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BECK: All right. Coming up I want to talk to you about the 400 kids from that sick Texas polygamist sect. They`re now going to undergo DNA testing throughout the week to determine bloodlines and possible connections to domestic and sexual abuse. If they`re breaking the law they deserve to be punished. But what evidence will investigators find? Find out next.

But first welcome to the "Real Story." With all do apologies to real actual journalists I am about to break every rule in how the news cycle works. Because quite frankly I don`t really give a flying crap how it is supposed to work. By now I am sure you have heard the comments Barack Obama made about small town blue collar Americans that came out last week. I was on vacation. So here is quick refresher. "They get bitter, cling to their guns, religion, to people who aren`t like them, or, anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as their way to explain their frustrations."

Oh, Barack, my vacation last week came at a very good time for you didn`t it? Sorry to drag these comments back into the news, but the real story is -- I think the news got it all wrong last week. I was watching it screaming at the TV saying that`s not what this means. This statement may have been the most important, telling sentence that Barack Obama has ever uttered in his political career. It encompasses everything you need to know about him. And everything you need to know about what kind of president this guy would be.

Let`s just put aside for a second the fact that his comment makes him sound like a wealthy elitist. I went to Columbia, you know. Let`s put aside the second amendment implications it has. Let`s even forget he made the comment in front of wealthy donors in San Francisco, a place, I`m sure was filled with people who couldn`t identify a gun or a church.

Put all of these things aside and you`re still left with somebody who has absolutely no concept about how the average American, you know in those pesky flyover states actually think.

Are a lot of people in this country bitter? You`re damn right they are. I`m one of them because the weasels in Washington are torpedoing our country. But people like me, we don`t run to religion or guns because our politicians are spineless, those things are not our fallback position. I can`t think of anything more insulting than for somebody to tell me I practice my faith because I have lost faith in my leaders. I have never had any faith in those people. I practice my faith because it is a part of me. It`s a central part of who I am. I do it despite our government, not because of it.

You want to know who the real gun owners really are in this country? Well you know what? Tell you what if you are sitting in your easy chair right now. Look to the house on your right and then look to the house on your left. Chances are between your house and those two houses, somebody is packing heat. Because over a third of American homes now have guns in them. And guess what else? Gun owners, believe it or not, are happier than everybody else too. I saw these stats, man, I couldn`t wait to bring them to you. Bah it says everything.

Now Barack Obama doesn`t get this. I mean, you know he never would have made these comments if he understood this. But us gun-toting, religious zealots, yeehoo, are happy because we`re in control of our lives. We understand that the government`s not responsible for our happiness, we are. We`re responsible. And when things go bad we don`t stand on the roof with signs asking the government for help. We grab our children and get the hell out of there.

When we lose our jobs we don`t stand in line for handouts we go to our church, we go to our communities. When things get really bad, quite frankly, we don`t wait for the police, you know what I mean. We`re in charge, we grab the gun. We have the power. And we get the power from those pesky three little words that start that thing called the Constitution, "We the People." David Freddoso is a political reporter for "The National Review."

DAVID FREDDOSO, "NATIONAL REVIEW": Hey, Glenn.

BECK: How are you, sir?

FREDDOSO: Good, thanks.

BECK: Here is a guy, Joe Lieberman said, I read this quote the other day. "I can`t say I believe he is a Marxist." But if Joe Lieberman is saying he`s extraordinarily liberal and this close to a Marxist, this guy just doesn`t get it.

FREDDOSO: You know he is employing a classic Marxist analysis of people particularly when it comes to religion. Religion is the opium of the people or opiate of the masses as it is often said. That`s what Obama`s analysis is about. That`s part of why it`s so insulting to people of faith. Suddenly everything I believe, like you said, is my fallback position, it`s something that I embrace because I`m bitter at someone else, because I`m discontented, because I`m ignored.

But what Obama was really trying to do there in Marin County is interesting. He`s telling people, I have compassion on these poor, deceived folks who believe in this stuff. There is a reason they do this, it`s because they`re economically discontented, it`s because they`re politically ignored. Take gun owners for example. Are gun owners politically ignored. You ever hear the NRA, did you know the last several elections have been swung by gun owners.

BECK: You know, here`s what I -- love to get your opinion on this, David, I think the black liberation theology part of his church and Reverend Wright and everything else that was started as a political movement. It is politics masquerading as religion. And so, that -- if you understand that, you understand his statements. This is what I have been trying to get at for the last few weeks when we`ve been looking at black liberation theology. It is a political movement. It replaces really God with government. You`ve been so disenfranchised you need somebody to stand up for you.

FREDOSSO: Yeah, classic liberation theology big problem in the Catholic Church especially we`re talking 1980, Latin America, right, it`s, you`re basically replacing Christianity with a Marxist analysis using parts of the gospel that you pick here and there. You are trying to -- but it is not really a religion. It is a religion not about Jesus Christ anyway but it`s a religion about grievances and revenge, about class envy, and righting that through some form of social revolution.

BECK: I saw .

FREDOSSO: That really fits with the Wright thing. That`s what he is all about.

BECK: It does. I saw Frank Rich or maybe it was Michael Moore, same person, just different weight scale, but I saw -- an article by one of the guys they said that -- that -- Hillary Clinton was only mentioning Farrakhan`s name and tying him to Barack Obama to scare white people. White people, black people. Asian people, people, I don`t care what color you are, you should be concerned by some of the things you are starting to see from Barack Obama.

FREDOSSO: Yes, this Wright business, the Bill Ayres problem, the comments about people of faith, gun owners. You know another thing about the comments by the way, Glenn. You notice how he takes religion and gun ownership and puts them together with xenophobia.

BECK: Yeah.

FREDOSSO: Yeah. Anyway.

BECK: David, thanks. Got to run. Now, let me lay a few facts on the table here. One, the terrorist group Hamas has endorsed Barack Obama. Did you hear that last week? Two, Jimmy Carter recently met with Hamas. And three, Jimmy Carter has hinted strongly that he was going to endorse Barack Obama. So if I use this Obama-style stereotyping which I can do because I`m a gun-carrying religious nut who is so bitter that I must think that Barack Obama endorses Hamas. Right? See how ridiculous. That doesn`t really work does it, Barack.

As I told you earlier in the program I think Obama, may be Jimmy Carter in training. But the fact is we still have the real Jimmy Carter to contend with. And he`s been a busy little bee. Carter just finished up a nine-day trip to the Middle East where he met with top Hamas leaders. Yeah, yeah, same Hamas that has killed over 250 Israelis. They`re great.

Anyway, Carter says because of his fearless diplomacy Hamas is now going to agree to live next door to Israel in peace. How big of them. But he just can`t believe how he had to negotiate that all by him little self. He called it a problem that the U.S. won`t meet with Hamas.

But the real story is -- there is only one problem here and its name is Jimmy Carter. The man is always wrong. Combine that with somebody who in my opinion is a borderline anti-Semite, fold in a helping of ex- president on the power trip and just a dash of insanity and you have a recipe for hostages in an embassy and burning helicopters in the desert. Those were those weren`t they. For average Americans, people like us just clinging to our guns and God because we are so spooked it`s frustrating to see somebody like Carter who is a always wrong by the way engaged directly with our enemies. What can we do?

Well, one congressman thinks we should use our resource that we still have trumps everything else that is money. The Carter Center needs our money and we control that money. Stop our federal government from funding the Carter Center with our tax dollars and maybe, just maybe, Jimmy Carter, who I don`t know if I mentioned this -- is always wrong -- will finally get the message. That message is, Jim, move to Florida. Play golf. You know enjoy the early bird specials, I hear they`re great. Eating at 4:00 in the afternoon it`s sweet. And then stay the heck out of the Middle East, will you?

Representative Joe Knollenberg, he is the Republican from Michigan proposing this bill, the CARTER Act. What exactly is the -- you people in Washington love these acronyms, what is the CARTER Act?

REP. JOE KNOLLENBERG, (R) MI: Very simple. My staff kind of put that together. Mainly what it does is separates us, the federal government from President Carter. Because what he is doing honestly is over the top and no reason in the world for us to accept it. I think what he is doing is delivering some consequences that frankly we are going to have to pay for. And already you see, see what is happening because the credibility of the, in the eyes of the Hamas folks and the terrorists, that`s gone up. Simply because Jimmy Carter is there.

BECK: Here is, here`s the thing I just don`t understand. Liberals -- and I am too. I don`t think we should be in bed with Saudi Arabia. I think these guys are bad. If you want to look at discontent or where we started to shimmy apart in the Middle East it`s because we are in bed with brutal dictators. We`re in bed with bad governments. So wait a minute. They tell us we shouldn`t be in bed with Saudi Arabia. And yet Jimmy Carter wants to be in bed with Syria and Hamas.

KNOLLENBERG: He wants to be bed with terrorists and completed some three meetings maybe a fourth going on now. I tried to warn him before I sent this bill up for consideration. To not go over there. Not even go there. Well he has gone there. I can see that he was beginning to lose us. I thought I better do something more serious. That`s this idea of taking the money away from him by not appropriating money for the Carter Center.

BECK: Is this where we are headed? Are we headed with this, I think Barack Obama is a little baby Jimmy Carter. We have Pelosi. This is the Democratic style of just -- just meeting with whoever. Is this where we are headed?

KNOLLENBERG: I would hope not. I think it is time we stop him. As you know there is no reason in the world why he should have the power or authority to go over there.

BECK: All right. So, so what are you going to do? You are going to cut off the money. How much money is it? And how do you get it done?

KNOLLENBERG: It works out to 4 or 5 million a year, last several years, totals $19 million, $20 million all told. That may not sound like enough money to take care of this problem. But that`s money, that is taxpayer money. No reason in the world that he should be spending taxpayer money in the process of carrying out his mission.

BECK: Have you introduced the bill?

KNOLLENBERG: It has been introduced. In fact we`re getting a number of people on board already. Over 60 members of Congress have already complained about Carter and what he is doing.

BECK: This is a nightmare. Thank you very much, Congressman. That`s the real story. Coming up. What will investigators find out from Rosita Swinton? We had the details on this mystery person of interest and her connection to the Texas polygamist sect coming up in just a second.

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BECK: Call me crazy, and plenty of people do. But I am actually a big fan of law and order and not the TV show, the actual concept. We elect representatives, they pass laws and everybody is supposed to follow them. Right? Great system. Unfortunately the government seems to be a little iffy on the whole let`s enforce the law thing. They may be under the mistaken impression that the system doesn`t really apply to them. It`s made me more cynical as I watch what goes on on the border, you know what? I`m sorry, but the actions of our government, the decisions that they make, makes me question them.

For example, a few years ago, I would have never questioned why the government chose to raid that fundamentalist compound of polygamists in Texas. I think these people are sick. But given how they lie and cheat and abuse their power every chance they get. I think I need a little more details before I start letting them take DNA from people. Word is that, you know their word is no longer good enough for a lot of people including me. If these people in Texas are guilty then they should be sent to jail. My gut tells me they are.

But I think we should have a little bit more than gut going for the government. What is the probable cause to bust into that compound in the first place? I hear now it kind of centers around one person whose testimony may be in question. Robert Garrett is an Austin-based reporter with the "Dallas Morning News", Jami Floyd is anchor of "In Session" on TruTV. Robert tell me who Rosita Swinton is?

ROBERT GARRETT, "DALLAS MORNING NEWS": Well, Glenn she is a 33-year- old Colorado woman with a history of making false reports to the police.

BECK: OK, do we know? She was arrested last week and it was -- it was not in connection to this. But they think that she may be the woman who posed as this young girl and said, hey I`m in the compound. Help me, help me. Right?

GARRETT: That`s right. Texas Rangers are investigating that possibility.

BECK: OK. All right. So help me out on this, by the way. I heard, I heard a report earlier today she may be an Obama delegate. Have you heard that? Is that true?

GARRETT: I got that e-mail. I don`t know anything about that.

BECK: I don`t know if that is true either.

OK. Is that the only thing that we have on this polygamist sect? Is that the evidence?

GARRETT: No, I think - think of it as a battering ram. That was the wedge that got the Texas cops escorting the social workers, the Child Protective Services workers into the ranch. And then the child protective services workers that first night interviewed I believe 18 girls. And asked to come back the next day.

And so they, the Child Protective Services people say they have found indications that at least 20 of the girls out there have been pregnant or in the past or now before they were 17.

BECK: OK. But Jami, that`s not against the law to be pregnant under 17. Do we have evidence that this is pedophilia? That we are taking, you know, 40-year-olds, even 20-year-olds and having them bed 13-year-ol 13- year-olds? Do we have the evidence?

JAMI FLOYD, TRUTV: I`m really glad you put the question that way. Because we have been hearing all along in the coverage of the story, this term sexual abuse. And obviously we all agree. Glenn, we actually agree on something. If a crime is going on let`s yank the criminal out of there and prosecute him.

BECK: Right.

FLOYD: But that battering ram that my colleague refers to may have been constitutionally faulty. And so even if you get in there and you think you found some evidence of some wrongdoing, if you go in there on bad information, in other word a crazy woman who says he is a young girl on a rant, when in fact an African American woman in Colorado who has nothing to do with the group, if that is your basis for your probable cause and warrant then your case starts to fall apart.

That is why the Constitution is in place to protect us against unreasonable searches and seizures even if wrongdoing has occurred.

BECK: I want to be very, very clear with America. America, if this is going on -- first of all, this is why we enforce our laws. We can`t just say, "Oh, well that border thing. Well we won`t enforce it this time." If there is a law that is being broken they need to go to jail. Polygamy is against the law. So let`s all agree that polygamy is either, should be taken off the books or it should be enforced.

I don`t even know what is the -- what is the law against, punishment for polygamy? Do we know?

FLOYD: You may be surprised to learn, Glenn, that polygamy is not against the law in every state of the country. Nor is adultery. Though they are in some parts of the country. What is against the law clearly in the State of Texas is for someone who is under the age of 17 to be married even with consent of a parent. So now that`s what`s got to be proved that this law was violated.

BECK: This is killing me. And Robert, maybe you can answer this. Here we have people, they`re going after DNA because there is evidence that they might have been pregnant under 17. Yet some states give out condoms to 11-year-olds. So in other words they couldn`t be pregnant around their parents, but the state could give them condoms and say hey, you don`t need to tell your parents about it and have sex at 11. So is the crime here that the teenager got pregnant without a condom from the state? I don`t even know.

GARRETT: Well I can assure you we don`t give out condoms to 11-year- olds in Texas.

FLOYD: Texas wouldn`t be one of those states. Glenn. Not in Texas.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you. That`s what I love about Texas. Guys, I`m being told I`m out of time. Thank you very much. Robert and Jami. We`ll be back in a minute with "Final Thoughts."

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BECK: Well, America`s biggest documentary filmmaker back in the news. Good news. I have missed him. Michael Moore, shockingly has endorsed the most liberal Marxist candidate in the field. Barack Obama. Who would have thunk it? Why doesn`t he like Hillary? Moore says, quote, "The actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting."

Moore is basing most of his distaste for Hillary on the comment from last week`s debate.

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SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is clear that as leaders we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn`t only the specific remarks but you know some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas, to put a message in. These are, these are problems. And they raise questions in people`s minds.

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BECK: Yeah. Moore says that, "She said the F word, Farrakhan to scare white people pure and simple." Moore goes on to chastise Clinton for trying to tie Obama to Farrakhan through a third party in this case, Reverend Wright, his spiritual advisor of a mere 20 years.

But Moore, I hate to point this out, Michael, you have made a career out of this tactic. You essentially have even tried to make a tie between George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden. Because if I remember right person b he knew from military service two who worked with family c and then invested in company d, college h, and think-tank m, run by person g, and company d owned by company f and then a member of the board, e, who worked with family c, and then the excommunicated brother q was person o and I think that was Osama bin Laden, something like that. But that is Hillary`s ridiculous truth now she was saying. Moore`s underlying reasons for the endorsement are very similar to -- you know, the people who support Obama. If I may quote, he says, "I am almost at the point where I don`t care if the Democrats don`t have a backbone. As long as their name ain`t Bush, and the word Republican is not beside theirs on the ballot. That`s good enough for me."

And that is the truth, my friend, about Obama`s change. It is change for the sake of change. With no real regard to what or who, what kind of change that really is. At least Moore is being honest about it. Don`t forget if you want more in-depth commentary you can sign up now for my free daily e-mail newsletter at glennbeck.com. From New York, good night, America.

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