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Popular Video Game a Murder Simulator?; Congressman Speaks Out about Immigration; Public Viewer Compares His Book to Glenn`s

Aired May 01, 2008 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Tonight, learn how to rape, lie and murder. All from the comfort of your own home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, no more killing.

BECK: How the hottest new video game is the latest example of how we`re teaching our children a deadly lesson.

Plus, as open border rallies spread across the country today, a new DVD shows illegal immigrants how they can stay just one step ahead of the law.

And a special GLENN BECK report. Reverend Jeremiah Wright in his own words. He says he`s been taken out of context. So, today, we put him in context, and you be the judge.

All this and more, tonight.

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BECK: Well, tonight, we`ve got -- it`s a full show of video that will blow your mind. Later on in the program, we`re going to talk about Reverend Wright. He has spent decades preaching hateful anti-American sermons, trying to justify his radical politics by calling it religion. He says, "Oh, I`ve just been taken out of context." You know the truth.

What I don`t understand, what a lot of America doesn`t understand is, how did Barack Obama miss it? That is an important question to answer. Was Wright`s message hard to see? Was it easy? Was it buried? I say it calls Barack Obama`s judgment into question. Tonight, you can see for yourself.

I`m not going to show you the sound bytes that you`ve seen a million times. We`re going to show you huge chunks of tape, of Reverend Wright, all in his own words, from the pulpit for the entire second half of tonight`s show. You do not want to miss that.

But first, I want to pick up a topic that we`ve been talking about all week, about the dangers of sexualizing teen girls. We had Miley Cyrus on the cover of "Vanity Fair," and it crashed their servers this week. We talked about the hook-up culture, a stupid show on CW that has kids in high school making out and having sex on television.

Well, we`re not done. If you`re a parent, there are some other things that you should know that should send shivers down your spine if you hear these three words: Grand Theft Auto.

I know that when I say this, about 80 percent of the people in America that hear me are going to go, "Oh, jeez, here`s a crazy conservative on TV screaming about the dangers of video games." But like it or not, here`s "The Point" tonight.

We are training our kids to be killers. And we are training our sons to treat women like whores. And here`s how I got there.

If you think that video games are just harmless fun, which everybody always says, you should know that our military, our leaders at the Pentagon have never seen it that way.

It started back in World War I. Young soldiers -- we sent Americans out to the front lines over in Europe, and they wouldn`t pull the trigger. Even there on the front lines with people charging them, they would not pull the trigger. It seems hard to believe in today`s world. But killing each other is actually not a natural human instinct.

Senior officers found if they trained the soldiers by putting a human silhouette on the bulls-eye during Target practice, they could actually condition men to shoot more easily.

The technology progressed. So did the training. Paper Targets evolved into electronic simulations and welcome to the great-great- grandfather of the video game, developed by the Pentagon.

The method proved so successful that the military`s firing rate, first time you had to shoot a human being, went from 15 percent in World War II to 55 percent in the Korean War to over 90 percent in Vietnam, and now that number is almost 100.

I want to make one thing clear before we go any further. I am not blaming all of society`s problems on video games. That would be stupid to do. It is the entire pop culture. It`s music. It`s movies. It`s radio. It`s television. It`s all of it.

According to the "Journal of American Medical Association," just television, the introduction of television in the 1950s, caused a doubling of the homicide rate in America. These are all just small pieces of the same small nightmarish puzzle.

Grand Theft Auto -- Grand Theft Auto was originally released back in 1997. The first three versions of the game have sold over 70 million copies. The newest version was released this week, and there were lines outside of the stores, waiting to grab a copy. GTA, version four, projected to sell 9 million copies just by the end of the year. That is $450 million in sales, and who says crime doesn`t pay?

The game, in case you don`t know -- and God bless you if you don`t -- features Nico. He is a low-level eastern European thug. He tries to rise up through the ranks through unbelievable acts of violence.

Parents, listen up, because here`s what you need to know tonight. In Grand Theft Auto, your son, or your husband or your boyfriend, or whoever, can hire a prostitute, have sex with her and then beat her to death with a baseball bat. When a police officer comes after him, he can either light that police officer on fire or cut him in half with a chain saw. This is entertainment?

As he makes his getaway, Nico can car jack the ride of his choice and drive down a sidewalk, mowing down as many pedestrian as he likes.

It took 75 years and countless billions of dollars to train our soldiers to kill. Today, 60 bucks buys your kid the same thing. Whatever happened to Pong?

Gavin McKiernan is the national grassroots director for the Parents Television Counsel. And Jack Thompson is a Miami attorney who knows just how influential Grand Theft Auto can actually be.

Jack, let me start with you. Tell me what happened in Alabama in 2003.

JACK THOMPSON, MIAMI ATTORNEY: In Alabama in June 2003, Devin Moore, having bought Grand Theft Auto 3 and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, with no parent in sight at stores, played it obsessively, 10, 12, sometimes 16 hours a day.

I`ve talked with Devin Moore on Death Row in the Atmore Facility in Alabama, and there`s no doubt in my mind, nor was there any doubt in the mind of Ed Bradley on "60 Minutes" who broadcast this story that, before Devin Moore`s training on this cop-killing simulator, he would have not been able to kill three cops in Alabama, who are now dead and in the ground.

We are suing Take Two, Sony, Wal-Mart and Game Stop for having trained Devin Moore to kill. He had no history of violence, no criminal record.

BECK: A lot of people will say -- a lot of people, Jack, will say, you know what? OK, so, there`s one kid that went bad.

THOMPSON: Oh, no. There have been dozens. I could -- we could fill up the next 30 minutes talking about school shootings linked to Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, such as the one in Red Lake, Minnesota. Cho of Virginia Tech, who killed 32, trained by the way, on Counterstrike: Half Life.

This is a murder simulator. And what makes the sale of this game, Glenn, a criminal act, which Take Two knows is a criminal lack act, is the incredible levels of simulated sex in the game. You can go into an adult strip club, have oral and anal sex, S&M between women in the club.

And, indeed, to sell this to a minor, which is occurring at Wal-Mart and Best Buy right now is a criminal act. And I`m working with law enforcement to have criminal prosecutions brought.

BECK: Gavin, let me go to you. I want to show -- I saw some of the video, and I`m not going to play any of the stuff that Jack just talked about. I want to show you just a scene here.

This is where the character that your son or husband or whoever is playing this game becomes. He`s just had sex with a prostitute and then he kills her in any fashion that he wants. It could include a baseball bat, but here are some of the highlights. Watch this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a hired killer and I pay for sex. My mother would be ashamed. Come on, out of the way.

Stop crying and stay down.

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BECK: This is -- this is what people are playing for entertainment. Tell me, Gavin, my kid understands the difference or I understand the difference. It`s just a game. Why is that not true?

GAVIN MCKIERNAN, PARENTS TELEVISION COUNCIL: Well, it really isn`t. This is really an adult product we`re talking about here. It`s more than just a game. We`re not, you know, Miss Pacman and Space Invaders anymore.

And 30 years of medical research has shown over and over again, in thousands of studies, the potential effect for, you know, violent media to have on children, on the developing mind as you grow.

And common sense tells you, and the medical profession has backed up, that there is definitely a difference between casually watching a two-hour movie with horrific acts, and participating, where you are the person going through these horrific acts, and not for two hours, but you can spend 70 or 80 hours on Grand Theft Auto, just to finish the game. And that`s if you`re good at it.

BECK: Jack, I see that this is "M" for mature, which is not the worst rating.

THOMPSON: No. This is -- Glenn, this is a -- in fact, a subterfuge by the entertainment software rating board. This game should be related adults only. In fact, the sex in the game was taken out so it could even be sold to adults in Australia.

BECK: So, what is -- what is adults only, if this is only getting -- where you can have sex with a prostitute and beat her to death with a baseball bat. What is adults only?

THOMPSON: Well, this -- that`s what this game ought to be. And what happens, Glenn, is that because Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, so forth, are not selling adults-only games. The ESRB comes one a phony rating and puts a mature on it, and therefore, it is being sold to teens.

This is a criminal act in violation of 47 states and the federal jurisdictions laws regarding sexual material harmful to minors. And so, this is clearly an attempt by the ESRB to sell this to kids, which is being done.

BECK: Jack, Gavin, appreciate the time. I`m sorry, we`ve run out of time now.

But coming up, May Day is here. And, immigration protests are clogging the streets. It`s May Day, everybody. We`ve got some more videos to show you. This one will show illegals exactly how to work the immigration system. It`s a night of unbelievable videos.

Then, after that, a closer look at Reverend Wright. His greatest hits. If you can call them that. You`ve seen the sound bytes. He says they`re taken out of context. You decide how Barack Obama might have missed this, coming up.

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BECK: Coming up, Reverend Wright`s outrageous anti-American comments may very well cost Barack Obama the election this November. The good Reverend says that his words have been taken out of context, are being twisted by people like me. Blah, blah, blah. You know what? I don`t really care. I -- the question I want to answer is, how did Barack Obama miss this in church? Is it possible that he missed that? Well, you decide yourself.

Tonight, on the program, you`re going to hear the Reverend in full context. You`ve heard all of the sound bytes before. Tonight, you`ll hear a big chunk of them, and believe me, it`s a good thing the media took them out of context, because it only gets worse. Don`t miss the whole back half hour, coming up in just a few minutes.

But first, it`s May Day. That means more immigration protests and people complaining about the rights that I don`t think they`ve got. They`re here illegally in the first place. One of the most offensive new voices in the debate comes from the Coalition of Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. Oh, that sounds nice.

They released a new video that supposedly advises illegal immigrants of their rights when arrested. Here`s more video for you to watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Please have your identification ready.

Don`t run! Stop right there!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In every language, we hope you`re having a wonderful morning, listening to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in your car, at home or at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but nowadays people are scared to go to work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Brothers and sisters, no matter where you are from, this is your home now, and nobody should be afraid to be at home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Especially when you`re actually at your house. Can you believe all these raids, Vanessa? Coming into people`s homes in the middle of the night, or, early in the morning.

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BECK: Almost like the way you came into my home, crossed the border in the middle of the night at 4 a.m. in the morning. No matter where you`re from, this is your home? Bull crap, Jose. Get the hell out of my country, unless you came in the front door.

I`ve been saying this for years. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with the country you`re from. I don`t care if you`re from Mexico. I don`t care where you`re from. It has to do with the laws that you broke in the country you now want to call home.

Yesterday, to prove the point, Ireland`s prime minister addressed Congress and received a standing ovation as he made an impassioned plea for the plight of the Irish immigrants in America. Or shall we call a spade a spade and name it Irish illegal immigrants.

I know this comes as a shock to all of those who want to believe that I`m a racist, but I don`t really care what country you came from. I don`t care if it`s Mexico. I don`t care if it`s Iceland, Ireland, I don`t care. You snuck into my country illegally. You stopped being an immigrant at that moment, and you started becoming a criminal. That is the simple reality every day, even on May Day.

Representative Brian Bilbray is the Republican from California, chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus. I have to tell you, first of all, let me start with this. Please tell me that we`re taking a stand against the Irish illegal immigrant just the same way we do against the Mexican illegal immigrants.

REP. BRIAN BILBRAY (R), CALIFORNIA: Glenn, absolutely. If we believe in the rule of law, if we believe what makes this the most prosperous and free country in the world, we can`t pick and choose between what group, where they came from and what hue they are.

We`ve got to make sure that we send a very clear message to everyone that if you want to come to this country, either from Ireland or from anywhere else, come here legally. But we`re not going to reward you to be here illegally.

And I`ve had my office full of people with, you know, Irish T-shirts saying, you know, legalize the Irish. And I just can`t believe their attitude. And frankly, I think it`s a very racist attitude that somehow we should be endorsing our law differently based on where you came from, or what ethnic group you belong to. And that -- that concept runs pretty deep across the amnesty crowd that somehow their group should be exempt from the law.

BECK: Yes, I can`t believe it. What is -- is the -- is the feeling in Congress that this is going to pass, that somehow or another we`ll give these people amnesty?

BILBRAY: Well, what is scary is, there`s an attitude, don`t worry, after the election, we`ll put together a deal for them and reward all illegals in this country with some kind of deal. Than is why you are seeing that the Democratic leadership and people are saying, let`s not have any vote before the election. Let`s look the other way.

BECK: You know, here`s the -- first of all, the immigrant rights group that made that video tape that I played just a minute ago, on their Web site, they say one of their goals is to promote economic justice.

Let me give you this quote. This is a report from Cranes New York Business. They found that immigrant workers in unregulated businesses here in New York, quote, "The workers will be quoted a flat weekly salary of $300, and they have to work 60 hours a week, receiving an effective wage of $5 an honor with no provision for overtime, no health care, nothing else." This is modern-day slavery.

How is it that this -- the protecting of their rights to work here illegally is a good thing?

BILBRAY: Well, Glenn, that`s the problem is that when you start with the premise that somebody is going to be allowed to be legally in the country, you open up exploitation for everything. And this is where this cruel little bait and switch.

They send out the world around the world that you can come here illegally and we`ll give you a job. It may not be equal to everyone else`s, but we`ll reward you for breaking the law. And then you`ve got people who are doing that, and then whining and complaining when this kind of exploitation happens.

That`s why they should join with us. Heath Shuler, a Democrat from North Carolina, has a great bill called Savax (ph) that says, we`re going to finally start requiring these employers to check these people are legally in the country before you hire them.

That`s somebody that everybody should agree on. They want to find an excuse to complain about the exploitation, but they encourage the entire problem by encouraging illegal immigration.

BECK: Congressman, thank you so much. I`d love to have you on the radio program. I want to make sure that people are aware that this Irish thing is going on, because it is an outrage. And you keep fighting the fight, Congressman.

Coming up, Brian Sack`s new book, "In the Event of My Untimely Demise," has been out there for three days. I think it`s time to see if it matches up against a juggernaut like -- I don`t know -- "An Inconvenient Book." I`m just saying.

And then we`ve all heard the outrageous comments by Barack Obama`s former pastor. But tonight, you`ll hear the full context. And it only gets worse. Coming up.

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BECK: Well, the writer Gore Vidal said once, "Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." I really disagree with that, for the most part.

For instance, a good friend of mine has just published his first book, and I couldn`t be happier for him. It`s a wonderfully warm and funny book called "In the Event of My Untimely Demise: 20 Things My Son Needs to Know" by my friend and the guy who`s just caused me to die a little bit, fellow author Brian Sack.

BRIAN SACK, AUTHOR, "IN THE EVENT OF MY UNTIMELY DEMISE": Fellow author.

BECK: Fellow author.

SACK: Isn`t that exciting?

BECK: Maybe some day I can say fellow "New York Times" No. 1 best seller.

SACK: OK. Well, working on it. And I did a little research for this particular segment.

BECK: Yes, you did.

SACK: Now that we`re both published authors.

BECK: Yes.

SACK: My book, "In the Event of My Untimely Demise," it`s about in case I die, here`s what you should know.

BECK: Right.

SACK: Your book, "An Inconvenient Book," is, "We`re all going to die. Let me tell you how."

BECK: Yes. Yes.

SACK: That`s how we`re different, in that respect.

BECK: OK.

SACK: Also, writing a book, I discovered, very hard. And I did it all wrong, apparently. Because I was looking at the title page of your book, and I realized I didn`t know you could bring people on board to help you.

BECK: Right.

SACK: So, I -- I did not have the resources so, unfortunately, I did it all wrong and it was just me. It`s weird. It`s weird, because, you know, leaving me alone sitting there at the typewriter.

BECK: Yes. That`s quaint.

SACK: Like Andy Rooney.

BECK: Yes.

SACK: You know, my book is all words. It`s just words, words, words, words. And it`s weird, because I was going through your book, and reading it again, chapter to chapter, cover to cover, as I have, and you just have so many pictures in there. A lot of pictures.

BECK: Yes. Look at that. See? You don`t have to put as many words. Or in my case, you don`t have to hire as many people to write those words.

SACK: Right.

BECK: You just put a bunch of pictures in there.

SACK: See?

BECK: And you`re done. It`s like, whatever.

SACK: Color scheme.

BECK: Yes.

SACK: My book, very patriotic. I love America. The enemies hate our freedom. My book, very red, white and blue if you look at the colors there on the cover.

Your book, gold and bluish if you see there. And that`s actually -- those are the colors of Ukraine, Bosnia and Kazakhstan. Those are the three states.

BECK: Really?

SACK: And speaking of Kazakhstan.

BECK: It`s weird, because I have the same color in the tie now, too. Oh, there it is.

SACK: As Kazakhstan? Speaking of -- I dug into some photo files, and look what I dug up there. Your book is technically an homage to Kazakhstan, because you love it so much.

BECK: That is a good looking picture.

SACK: Now, my book...

BECK: Yes.

SACK: ... has a great endorsement from you on the front cover. OK? But for some reason, your book, "An Inconvenient Book," doesn`t have an endorsement from me.

BECK: Nope. Nope.

SACK: But maybe when I`m a No. 1 "New York Times" best seller like you.

BECK: Nope.

SACK: Right now, I`m on Amazon, 300 -- No. 300 ranking.

BECK: Three hundred, wow.

SACK: No. 10 for entertainment humor category. No. 2 for parenting and family humor.

BECK: This is not a parenting book.

SACK: No, it isn`t. And also for parenting and family written by people who like wine too much and have the initials B.S., No. 1.

BECK: That`s great. Brian Sacks, best of luck to you. Please, America, grab this book. It is very, very funny. Brian Sack. And Brian has also been contributing to my free daily e-mail newsletter. Sometimes it`s funny, sometimes it`s kind of like this segment. But it doesn`t cost you anything. Kind of like this segment.

So head on over to GlennBeck.com and sign up for your free copy today.

Up next, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, not out of context, in his own worlds. You decide. Should Barack have known this? Don`t miss it. It`s next.

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BECK: You know, they used to say never argue with people who buy ink by the gallon. Well, the modern version of that is, never argue with people who measure their national air time in hours. Reverend Jeremiah Wright has tried time and time again to explain his ridiculous statements by saying things like this...

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REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT, BARACK OBAMA`S FMR. PASTOR: Have you heard the whole sermon? Have you heard the whole sermon?

I feel those citizens who say they have never heard my sermons, nor do they know me, they are unfair accusations taken from sound bites and that which is looped over and over again on certain channels.

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BECK: OK. I mean, I`ve seen that happen before. Unfortunately, for Reverend Wright, I am one of those people measure my air time, nationally speaking, in hours.

I have 30 hours a week, to be exact. So, instead of just taking Wright`s word that it`s been taken out of context, once it`s in context it will clear everything up, I figured I would let you decide for yourself.

For the rest of tonight`s show and for a full hour tomorrow, we`re going to play an uncut sermon on tomorrow`s radio program. You are going to hear Reverend Wright, his sermons, as you have never heard them before, most likely. As you listen, I want you to ask yourself if the context is making things better or much, much worse.

The biggest question I need you to keep in mind is this -- ask yourself, could Barack Obama have missed this message in his sermons?

First up is the sermon that Wright gave five days after the 9/11 attacks. Here`s a clip that you probably heard a thousand times.

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WRIGHT: The stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards! America`s chickens are coming home to roost.

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BECK: OK. He says that`s been taken out of context. I want to play now about three minutes from that same sermon. You decide if you would sit in that pew every single week for 20 years if this was coming from your pastor.

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WRIGHT: I heard Ambassador Peck (ph) on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News.

This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out -- did you see him? A white man, he pointed out -- an ambassador. And what did Malcolm X say when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true. America`s chickens are coming home to roost.

We took this country by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arawak, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

We bombed Grenada and kill innocent civilians, babies, nonmilitary personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard-working fathers.

We bombed Gaddafi`s home and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children`s heads against a rock.

We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard-working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day, not knowing that they`d never get back home.

We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon. And we never batted an eye.

Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilians, not soldiers. People just trying to make it day by day.

We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards! America`s chickens are coming home to roost!

Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism.

A white ambassador said that, you all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised.

The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don`t have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to dive and to take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that.

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BECK: Does the full context make you feel any better about this man? Does it clear up how Obama was sitting in this church?

The next clip you`ve heard over and over again as well. It sticks with the theme that America is the root of all evil.

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WRIGHT: Not God bless America, God damn America. That`s in the bible for killing innocent people.

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BECK: OK. That`s what you`ve heard a million times. This comes from a sermon back in April 2003, and buckle up. Because if you thought the last one was bad, the full context might be much, much worse than the sound bite.

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WRIGHT: Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change.

And I`m through now. But let me leave you with one more thing.

Government`s fail. The government in this text comprised of Cesar, Pontius Pilate. The Roman government failed.

The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, and Hong Kong.

Her navies ruled the seven seas, all the way down to the tip of our Argentina in the Falklands. But the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed.

And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on the reservations.

When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps.

When it came to treating the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest-paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.

The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing "God bless America"? No, no, no. Not God bless America. God damn America that`s in the bible for killing innocent people!

God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human!

God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme!

The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.

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BECK: The only people that are treating people less than human, I believe, is that man. He is the one that is putting people in chains by preaching hate and hopelessness and intolerance.

Now, here to try to make some sense of all of this is Joe Hicks. He`s the vice president of Community Advocates Incorporated.

Joe, I find this stuff extraordinarily disturbing. He says that this is the black church. This is not the black church. Is it?

JOE HICKS, COMMUNITY ADVOCATES INCORPORATED: Well, it`s his version of the black church.

You know, listen, Glenn, I used to be the executor director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. The organization, by the way, founded by Martin Luther King.

My job was to be in black churches almost every Sunday when I was running the organization, the western region. And I would never hear the kind of things coming out of this pastor`s mouth.

Listen, Dr. King gave a very dramatic speech at the Riverside Church in New York City where he condemned the war in Vietnam. A lot of black pastors at that point broke with him. They said he was going outside of the civil rights domain. But you never heard the kind of things coming out of Dr. King`s mouth that you hear coming out of this man`s mouth.

He`s an embarrassment.

BECK: Here is what -- here is what people have to understand. This is black liberation theology. Now, is there a chance that this is just a small part of this church, that some how or another Barack Obama might have missed this? I mean, this has nothing to do -- it seems with the atonement and being set free by Jesus Christ, it seems to have everything to do with being set free by destroying the United States government.

HICKS: Well, listen, it`s unlikely that somebody could sit in a church and not be aware that these were the kind of things that were being said by your pastor, that you may not have heard, but you`re sure hearing it from other congregants. Here`s a man who apparently was in a very casual relationship with his pastor. They may have sat and had dinner.

He must have known that this man had these kind of anti-white, anti- American views. So it doesn`t quite work that Barack Obama can say, well, I wasn`t there when he said this.

Well, come on. You`ve got to be aware of it. So these explanations simply don`t work, which is why the guy`s dropping in the polls, because the explanations so far don`t make sense. Even though he condemned and severed ties with this man this week, there are still a lot of questions left to be answered.

BECK: Joe, here`s what I think. I mean, I don`t -- you know what? If this is what your church is, that`s great. I`m just glad it`s on my radar screen so I know exactly who you are. And if you go to this church, I know exactly the kind of things you think.

Barack Obama is trying to make it past that, oh, well, I mean, he can go and -- you know what? They do a lot of good, too.

How is it possible to believe that you can be influenced by this man, a guy who married your -- you and your wife, who baptized your children, who you say is like a family member, and not be influenced by this kind of stuff?

HICKS: Well, I don`t believe for a minute that Barack Obama believes this kind of conspiratorial nonsense. What I think we may have had here is a marriage of convenience, because here`s a guy who came from elite universities, who`s looking for black street cred, that got offered up by what was known to be the blackest church in Chicago.

So, I think it offered him the racial authenticity he sought as he sought public office, and he needed that to then court black votes. So, you know, look, but listen, as Shelby Steele says, here`s a bound man.

He needs white votes, he needs black votes. And he`s trying to cross back and forth across this aisle to do both.

BECK: Yes.

HICKS: And I think now it`s not working very well because this history now has caught up with him.

BECK: OK.

HICKS: And it`s simply not working very well.

BECK: Joe, we have to take a break. Stay where you are.

We`ll be right back with more stuff that you just won`t believe from the reverend in just a second.

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BECK: If you`re joining us tonight, we`re putting Reverend Wright`s own assertations to the test tonight. You have heard him say things like this...

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WRIGHT: The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie.

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BECK: When he`s pressed, Wright always uses the same excuse.

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WRIGHT: The persons who heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly. And failure to communicate is when something is taken like a sound bite for political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public.

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BECK: OK, so I get it. He only sounds crazy because we just took that eight seconds and used it for political purposes. All right, fair enough.

So here is two and a half minutes from that same sermon, including the HIV comment. You tell me, is the media taking him out of context and making him sound crazy?

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WRIGHT: The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence, who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and the closeted Klan court that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, caught (ph) between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe versus Wade, just like they are about to undo affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents, and the government is still lying today.

Governments lie! Turn to your neighbor and say, "Governments lie!"

AUDIENCE: Governments lie!

WRIGHT: The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack.

Governments lie.

The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War.

Governments lie.

The government lied about Nelson Manuela, and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Manuela.

Governments lie.

Turn back to your neighbor and say it again, governments lie!

AUDIENCE: Governments lie!

WRIGHT: The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African-American men with syphilis.

Governments lie.

The government lied about bombing Cambodia, and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera -- let me make myself perfectly clear. We are not -- governments lie.

The government lied about the drugs for arms contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then they pardoned -- the government pardoned all of the perpetrators so they can get better jobs in the government.

Governments lie!

The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.

Governments lie!

The government lied about a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9/11/01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Governments lie!

The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don`t find them some weapons of mass destruction, they`re going to do just like the LAPD and plant them some weapons of mass destruction.

Governments lie!

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BECK: Well, there`s the full context. Is it really a sound bite issue?

Here`s Wright trying to explain now the HIV comment earlier this week.

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WRIGHT: As I said to my members, if you haven`t read things and you can`t -- based on the Tuskegee experiment and based on what`s happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.

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BECK: OK. So now it`s not a sound bite problem, now it`s just that we`re just not educated enough to know the truth. I get it.

We`re going to bring back Joe Hicks from Community Advocates.

Joe, I was watching your picture back coming from Los Angeles here in the monitor, and you are as disturbed by this as I am. It makes me physically uncomfortable to listen to this and hear it.

HICKS: It`s tough stuff, you know? And what you`re really hearing is the ignorant ravings of a near madman here.

And, you know, what I think is shocking, you listen to the reactions of the audience in that church who are standing and yelling and screaming in response to -- it makes for good theater, but this is horrible history.

BECK: But Joe, it`s not only good theater. Put yourself into the role of an 8-year-old kid who is sitting there listening to it.

HICKS: Well...

BECK: Or, you know, a man who sat there for 20 years. How does this not affect your thinking?

I mean, I looked at your pin, your flag lapel pin. I can understand listening to it why Barack Obama didn`t want to wear a flag lapel pin.

HICKS: Well, this is the epitome of racial victimization. As you say, think of being an 8 or 11-year-old kid sitting in that church that particular Sunday, hearing your government spoken about in that regard.

Why would you want to stay in school if your country conspires against you? This is a completely disempowering message, and it really is embarrassing. This is the kind of stuff you`d expect to hear from some traveling itinerate preacher somewhere, not someone heading up one of the largest black churches in the city of Chicago.

This is really shocking stuff. And it also -- it ties in as almost Marxian kind of notion of black liberation theology that is really an anti- American, hate American rant.

BECK: Except it`s not about black liberation because they took down - - what did he call him? Uncle Clarence Thomas. I guess al blacks are not created equal.

HICKS: Oh, yes.

BECK: Joe, thank you very much.

We`ll have some closing thoughts here in a minute. Do not go anywhere.

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BECK: All right, you`ve just heard over eight minutes of Jeremiah Wright in his sermons over the years. No sound bites, you know, or excerpts, just the full context.

So, what does it say to us? I don`t really care about Jeremiah Wright. I get what he`s all about. But Barack Obama, this is a guy whose judgment is apparently so poor that he spent 20 years listening to these things without ever getting up and walking out.

Day Gardner is the founder and president of the National Pro-Life Black Union.

Day, I mean, one of them is lying here. Reverend Wright says, well, Barack Obama is just being a politician saying what he has to say to get elected. Barack Obama is saying, I didn`t know. He wasn`t like this around me.

Is that even plausible?

DAY GARDNER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL PRO-LIFE BLACK UNION: No, it is not. It is not.

There`s no way that you can sit there for 20 years and not hear -- I mean, I`ve been listening to him now for the past few weeks and I`m already sick of him.

BECK: Yes.

GARDNER: I don`t know how you manage to -- you can sit there for 20 years and not have any of it sink in.

We have to keep in mind also that Reverend Wright and also Barack Obama share a lot of similarities. They are both -- Reverend Wright mentioned Roe v. Wade. Barack also wants to keep Roe v. Wade in existence.

Even though as much as he said he supports blacks, and his focus on black families and children, there have been more than 17 million children killed since 1973 by abortion. Abortion is the number one killer of black Americans in this country, yet he says nothing about that.

As a matter of fact, he is on the board -- or was on the board in the `80s of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. He is considered a clergy for choice. He supports the killing of unborn children.

BECK: OK. So, how do you -- how do you -- how is America supposed to process -- you see Barack Obama, he seems reasonable, he seems like a good guy. I know about his record, I know he`s the most liberal guy. But this puts him into another category.

How do we process this?

GARDNER: First, you have to realize, first of all, that Barack Obama and Reverend Wright share a lot of similarities. Abortion being one of them. They also share the fact about gay marriage.

There`s just so many things that...

BECK: But there`s a difference between policies and hatred. This is -- this is hatred.

GARDNER: You know, Glenn, why is it that during the playing of the National Anthem, way back when in the beginning of the campaign...

BECK: Well, you know what? I used to believe that it was just, you know, I`ve done that before. But I`m not so sure now.

I`ve got to run, Day. Thank you very much.

America, a lot to think about. From New York, goodnight.

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