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Egyptian Hijacker Arrested, All Hostages Released; Five Thousand Detained after Easter Bombing in Pakistan; Inside the Suicide Bomber Brothers' Apartment; Republican Presidential Candidates Vie for Wisconsin; Talking to Women Who Stump for Trump; Taliban Splinter Group Claims Responsibility for Lahore Attack; Israeli Distillery Aims to Serve Israel and Beyond. Aired 10-11a ET

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IVAN WATSON, CNN HOST: Ahead at the INTERNATIONAL DESK, the EgyptAir hijacker did not have explosives.

Thousands are detained in Pakistan over the deadly bombing.

And the FBI hacks into a terrorist's iPhone without Apple's help.

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WATSON: Hello and welcome. I'm Ivan Watson, live in Hong Kong.

Now we start with a peaceful end to a scary scene. On a runway in Cyprus, a hijacker arrested and led away after diverting an EgyptAir jet to the

island.

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WATSON (voice-over): You can see him there in the white shirt. Officials say the suspect claimed to be wearing an explosive belt but that no

explosives were found. They also say this was not an act of terrorism.

At one point, someone on board was seen escaping through the cockpit window. The flight was originally a short domestic route from Alexandria,

Egypt, to Cairo. And I want to bring in our Ian Lee; he joins us from Cairo now with the latest.

And I understand you've been speaking to some of the passengers?

Must be breathing a huge sigh of relief. And you've got new details for us about this scary incident.

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. This incident couldn't have ended any better than it did, where you have this hijacker arrested and

everyone is safe. But for the passengers on the plane, this was a very terrifying flight.

One passenger I spoke with said that, during the flight, they really realized that it was not going to Cairo when it was flying over the

Mediterranean, not on the flight path; that the flight attendants went to the passengers, telling them that the plane had been hijacked.

There was people screaming and crying when they heard this information but the flight crew, we're being told, was very professional throughout the

entire incident, that they kept people calm, kept people safe for this plane so that it could land and that authorities could take care of the

situation.

But what we're hearing from Cypriot officials and Egyptian officials is they're describing this person as being very mentally disturbed, saying

that over the course of the negotiations he had many demands, there was talk about an ex-wife, there was talk about potentially female prisoners

here in Egypt, also about going to -- getting the plane refueled and going to Istanbul. The whole time they were trying to negotiate a peaceful

resolution.

And towards the end, you can see some of the passengers leaving but one person, again, leaving from the window of the cockpit. We don't know what

really transpired around that moment but authorities were able to move in, able to make that arrest, which is crucial to learn, to get answers to a

lot of these crucial questions.

But also learning that that bomb was, indeed, a fake. And there is video also coming out now of this person going through security out of airports

out of Alexandria. You can see him walking through, being patted down by a security official.

The question there is what was the security official, what was the exchange between the hijacker and the security official to let him go through?

But right now, I think everyone is relieved that this ended the way it did and no one was hurt.

WATSON: So Ian, this is presumably video we're looking at of the suspected hijacker, Seif Eldin Mustafa, again, that we don't know very much about

him.

Do we know anything about who the person was who jumped out of the cockpit window in that dramatic escape?

LEE: We don't know really the details of that escape. Hearing some aviation experts talk, though, they say that it could likely be a crew

member, that this is something they would know how to do, that it's not very easy to get out of an airplane cockpit window like that and also could

possibly be the captain or the pilot, the last person on the plane.

We really don't know, though, exactly who that person is. This is what aviation experts are speculating. We're hoping to get that in the hours to

come.

But really quite a dramatic scene and quite a scene where a lot of people are relieved that it did end the way it did, that security forces were able

to get inside there and detain him and that it did not end with any bloodshed.

WATSON: Absolutely. Thanks very much. That's Ian Lee live from Cairo. Thanks a lot, Ian.

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WATSON: Now let's take a closer look at the security situation and how this could have happened. So CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo, she joins

me now from London.

Mary, is it OK?

We're all, I think, breathing a sigh of relief after this ended with nobody really getting hurt.

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, absolutely. And a lot of things went well. And lucky for a lot of the people, not the least of which is

this criminal who did the hijacking, by keeping the plane on the ground and apparently negotiating, trying to keep him talking, et cetera. That's

textbook of what you're supposed to do.

And, I, too, unless everyone else was off the plane, I don't think the pilots would have left but you do have to get that window open and there is

an escape rope down and you have to be trained how to do that. So it certainly is someone who is familiar with aircraft.

But at least on the plane side, it appears they did everything that was necessary. And, of course, the criminal was lucky because, had everyone

been off the plane and he had not surrendered and was not taken off peacefully, at that point, obviously, the SWAT teams would have stormed it

and that result is never calm or good.

WATSON: Now it sounds like this was all pretty much a hoax from somebody who's been described as quite deranged. But I think a lot of people may

remember that just five months ago you had the Metrojet flight from Sharm el-Sheikh that was downed with a large number of casualties.

Would any of the lessons from that case have applied to this one, which is a very different story?

SCHIAVO: Well, they may apply, depending upon what is learned. Now on the equipment that we see from the tape, from the video of this person going

through security screening, I mean, some things that you can see is rather apparent -- it's not the most modern equipment.

It's not the oldest equipment in the world but it's not the most modern equipment. Some equipment does have the capability of recording what has

been screened and what has gone through it. So obviously, what investigators will want to know is really look at that security screening

checkpoint.

Is there anything that he had, although he didn't have explosives?

Did he have containers or bottles or cylinders that they should have picked up in the screening?

Did he take the materials that he used to make the alleged fake explosive?

Did he take those through security?

Was there anyone on the inside that's helping him?

Certainly doesn't sound like it at this point. But that screening checkpoint should come under tremendous scrutiny to see if there's anything

else they could have done to flag some items or a person going through security.

Now of course, many -- well, let's use El Al; they, of course, have behavioral screening as well, which could have helped and probably would

have helped. But most airports and most airlines don't have behavioral screening to a wide degree. But that would have been the additional thing

that might have helped.

WATSON: You know, in an age of terrorism, I've also covered other incidents that have involved passengers who were perhaps under the

influence of chemicals, of alcohol, who may have had mental or emotional problems and led to kind of hijacking fears.

That's just kind of one of the threats of flying, isn't it?

SCHIAVO: Well, it is.

And again, many countries, United States and Britain among many, do have rules about boarding anyone who appears -- now this is the key word -- who

appears to be intoxicated or incapacitated, under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

But there's really not a way to test. It just depends upon the gate agents and the flight crew's opinion as to whether someone appears to be under the

influence -- and that's a real problem.

And for many of the incidents in places around the world, including the United States, after September 11, 2001, when airport security and airline

security changed dramatically because of the hijacking of the four planes and flying them into the buildings in the United States, things tightened

up significantly.

But that's still a problem. You can't really tell if someone hasn't taken their medications or is behaving strangely or is really unstable. And

that's a big issue that the airports and airlines of the world are trying to deal with right now.

And that's why many airlines and security forces have thought about doing the behavioral analysis. But that's tough. You need a lot of training for

that.

WATSON: All right. Mary Schiavo live in London, thanks for helping explain that.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

WATSON: Now in Central Asia, we're dealing with a really horrific atrocity Sunday. Pakistan is in the midst of a crackdown following this horrific

bombing in Lahore. Authorities conducted more than 100 raids and detained over 5,000 people in just the last two days.

Families of the victims have started to bury their loved ones. At least 72 people died from the attack. It was a suicide bombing on a crowded park.

CNN's Saima Mohsin is in Lahore and she takes us to the scene.

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SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The park remains closed, this area remains a crime scene and police teams have been arriving as we've been

here to carry out more analysis, detectives meeting with local police.

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MOHSIN: I want to take you in to show you exactly where this attack took place inside a child's playground; families had come here because this is

an amusement park. If we take you in closer, you can see the dark black soot, the scars of where the bomb was detonated.

We believe one unidentified suicide bomber carried out this attack, right next to a children's ride, unimaginable and horrifying. While police still

work this crime scene, the military and paramilitary forces have been conducting raids in Lahore, Faisalabad and Multan. They say they've

arrested a number of suspected terrorists and found caches of arms and ammunition.

Now a Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, Taliban splinter group, has claimed responsibility for this attack, saying they were targeting the Christian community on

Easter Sunday. But the simple fact is families from all over the city come to this park. The majority of those killed and injured are, in fact,

Muslim.

And that is what people really want to point out, that they are targeting Pakistanis and terrorism has no religion.

Almost 400 people were injured. Only 90 of them have been released from hospitals so far, 300 still being treated. And those people that have

managed to get into the park have made this makeshift memorial for those killed and injured in this.

This says, "May those killed in this attack rest in peace."

Flowers have been left, candles lit. And this over here, The Lord's Prayer in Urdu and then "Lord, make me a means of your peace." -- Saima Mohsin,

CNN, Lahore, Pakistan.

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WATSON: What's so devastating, so many of the casualties, the victims there, were children.

Coming up at the bottom of the hour, we'll hear from an author and journalist, whose father was killed because he defended a Christian in

Pakistan.

Let's turn now to Brussels, where it's been one week since terrorists attacked the airport and a city metro station. Police are scouring

multiple European countries for at least eight suspects. Nick Paton Walsh, he joins me live from Brussels with the latest on the investigation.

And this has covered a number of different European countries and cities, Nick.

What are we hearing now?

What's the latest on the investigation?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SR. INTL. CORRESPONDENT: You're right, the dragnet pan European has the scale, potentially the links to other cells or the

size of this cell becomes more apparent to investigators. But there are also some inadequacies in their investigation.

The two key suspects, the man in white at the airport and the accomplice to the metro bomber, they're still at large.

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WALSH (voice-over): A brief glimmer of hope that potentially the man at the airport had been arrested vanished yesterday when the man that many

media speculated was him was released and declared innocent.

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WALSH: But the scale, Ivan, of the clues that were available before these attacks, even to those living alongside the Bakraoui brothers in the

apartment when they prepared the chemicals for the bombs, is become increasingly apparent. We saw ourselves at that yesterday.

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WALSH (voice-over): It's the apartment at the heart of the Brussels attacks where the Bakraoui brothers, Ibrahim and Khalid, lived and made the

bombs that tore through the metro and airport.

This video shot Monday shows how police left it. But a source with knowledge of the brothers' lives there has revealed to CNN a remarkable

incident just 10 days ahead of the blasts.

He explained to CNN that, as this exclusive video shows, police have sealed off both the top floor where the brothers lived and the one below it.

Why?

Because the brothers spilled so many chemicals 10 days before the blasts when preparing their bombs it leaked through the top floor into the

apartment below.

WALSH: The fact that chemicals could have leaked between entire floors in that building betrays really how careless the brothers must have been with

the liquids they used to build those bombs but also how many signs there were to the outside world that something was amiss.

WALSH (voice-over): One man who regularly met the brothers there and doesn't want to be identified for his own safety told CNN they were kind

men and only had two beds and a refrigerator in the apartment.

"Each time they went up with things in their hands, suitcases, things like that," he says.

"When you saw their face, you'd have no idea they were terrorists because they were good people. I just saw one visitor just one time."

The man he recognized is airport bomber and ISIS bombmaker Najim Laachraoui. His expertise would have been vital to the brothers in

preparing the bombs.

He also explained that the brothers kept their working clothes and overalls in the basement of the building, another mysterious window onto what the

brothers did there with such impunity for so long.

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WALSH: Ivan, we're also hearing now from U.S. officials that the FBI's assisting in this investigation through taking some of the laptops and

mobile phones that were seized during the raids after the attacks. They contain hard drives and data which apparently can't be read here by Belgian

authorities.

And FBI agents here, assisting in the investigation, have shipped them back to the U.S. for further probing. That thing suggests that there's a lot of

encrypted information that they might be trying to lay their hands on.

But still, with those two key suspects at large, there is, I think, a sense here that security is not what it should be, that the country, the capital,

can't get back to normal daily life, knowing that those two very public figures involved in these attacks are somewhere out there still -- Ivan.

WATSON: I think that also underscores, Nick, the limitations of the Belgian security forces, that they can't handle the hardware and the phones

and the analysis themselves. They have to call in the FBI for help.

That's Nick Paton Walsh, live from the Belgian capital, live from the European capital.

Thank you very much, Nick.

Coming up, Republican presidential candidates are heading to a high-stakes state. We'll tell you what to watch for at CNN's own town hall in

Wisconsin. Stay with CNN.

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WATSON: Welcome back to CNN. I'm Ivan Watson live in Hong Kong.

Now the Republican race for the White House is heading to Wisconsin. That's a swing state and voters there may reshape this election next week.

The pressure is making this a messy week in politics.

But in just a few hours, candidates will have an opportunity to clear the air, so to speak, at CNN's own town hall event. CNN's Phil Mattingly is

there with more.

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PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): All three GOP candidates converging on the battleground state, Wisconsin, for tonight's CNN town

hall, a week before voters head to the polls in the high-stakes primary.

Republican front-runner Donald Trump receiving a hostile reception Monday, protesters demanding Trump cancel a rally later today, saying to, quote,

"keep hate out of our state."

Popular Wisconsin conservative radio host Charlie Sykes, who's endorsed Ted Cruz, also giving Trump the cold shoulder.

CHARLIE SYKES, RADIO HOST: Mr. Trump, before you called into my show, did you know that I'm a #NeverTrump guy?

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That I didn't know.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): An opening act for a state with 42 delegates at stake and a strong anti-Trump movement.

SYKES: Here in Wisconsin, we value things like civility, decency and actual conservative principles, so let's possibly make some news.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Trump continuing to defend his campaign's attacks on Ted Cruz and his wife, Heidi, again blaming Cruz for a --

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MATTINGLY (voice-over): -- super PAC ad in Utah that featured Trump's wife, Melania.

TRUMP: He owes me an apology, because what he did was wrong. He sent out a picture to people in Utah --

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SYKES: He didn't. You know that he didn't. You know that it was a super PAC.

TRUMP: I know he knew about it.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): In an interview with CNN's Sunlen Serfaty, Cruz laying down another challenge to Trump.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have heard that you wanted to beat Donald Trump one on one.

Why?

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: CNN has two town halls back to back, an hour with me, an hour with Donald Trump, in the exact same location. We should

make it a debate. Let's make it a two-hour debate. Let's combine our events.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): And Ohio governor John Kasich attacking both of his opponents on their foreign policy positions.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), OHIO: We've got one guy saying we should patrol Muslim neighborhoods and the other one saying we should have a religious

test. It's not good foreign policy.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): All while Trump threatens to sue over delegate allegiances in Louisiana, a state Trump won but Cruz could walk away with

more delegates, the Texas senator brushing off Trump's litigation threats.

CRUZ: Who cares?

He can threaten whoever he likes.

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WATSON: OK, so, the town hall, it takes place in just a matter of hours in Milwaukee. Phil Mattingly is there at the site right now and he joins us

live.

So as we heard there, this is not going to be a face-to-face debate in the town hall, Phil.

Are you getting a sense of what kind of strategy the different candidates are going to use in this town hall and in this week, running up to what

could be a pivotal primary in Wisconsin?

MATTINGLY: You've gotten a little bit of a look at it over the last couple days, Ivan: John Kasich in Wisconsin campaigning, Ted Cruz also in

Wisconsin campaigning. And you heard from Ted Cruz right there, challenged Donald Trump regularly.

John Kasich's starting to do the same, primarily on foreign policy in the wake of that lengthy "The New York Times" interview, that was really kind

of the most illuminating thing we've seen related to what Donald Trump thinks on foreign policy.

You've got two candidates not named Donald Trump who are going to try and score points tonight against Donald Trump.

And here's why, Ivan. Wisconsin is a state that's very much in play. Donald Trump has a lot of support here, no question about it.

But Ted Cruz and John Kasich see openings here not just to steal delegates but, in Ted Cruz's case, potentially win the state. And so what you're

going to see tonight and what you're going to see over the next couple days, Ivan, is real efforts to halt Donald Trump's momentum and really kind

of throw a wrench in the process of him getting to that Republican nomination.

WATSON: All right, so, we're hearing some reports about the possibility of some backroom deals taking place between some of the candidates.

What more can you tell us about that?

MATTINGLY: So John Kasich, obviously, is trailing both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz by a wide margin. But he is not going to get out of this race.

He has said he's going to take it all the way to the convention in the hopes that an open convention would in some way open the door to his

nomination.

Now he needs help, though. He's reaching out to Ted Cruz for that help. His chief strategist, John Weaver, saying that his campaign has tried to

get in touch with Ted Cruz's campaign to work on a strategy to work together to stop Trump, say John Kasich focus on the states that best suit

his campaign, Ted Cruz focus on the states that best suit him. Stay out of one another's way, use that to block delegates for Donald Trump.

John Kasich's campaign even trying to enlist Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee, to help in their cause.

Up to this point, Ivan, Ted Cruz's campaign has rejected this outright. They believe that John Kasich is a spoiler. They just want him to get out

of the race, so no chance, at least as it currently stands, of cooperation on that front, no matter how much both candidates want to stop Donald

Trump.

WATSON: It's a remarkable campaign. All right, Phil Mattingly live from Milwaukee, thank you very, very much.

You can hear the Republican candidates' answers, questions directly from voters Tuesday night. CNN is hosting a new town hall in Milwaukee,

Wisconsin. Watch it here live at 1:00 in the morning London time.

Recent polls show that Donald Trump has a problem with female voters and his recent flare-up with Ted Cruz over their wives, well, that would seem

to make the problem worse. But CNN's Martin Savidge found one group of women who are standing behind their candidate.

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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Who is for Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm for Trump.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm for Trump.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): I'm in Tucson with a group of conservative women. They meet every month to talk about politics. And they all support Donald

Trump.

SAVIDGE: So I'm going to go around and just say, why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just find that what you see is what you get with this man and that is what I want.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's not afraid to say what he thinks. He is a strong man with a strong personality. He really does love his country. He

loves people. He really has a respect for women.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): To non-Trump supporters, that may seem ridiculous, given some of the things that Trump has said and done.

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SAVIDGE (voice-over): For example, the weekend Twitter fight between Ted Cruz and Trump over their wives.

SAVIDGE: OK, so, you have all seen --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

SAVIDGE: -- this, right?

This is the tweet -- this was a retweet by Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

SAVIDGE: Have we crossed some sort of line here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This tweeting, it's quite ridiculous. We need to focus on the issues at hand and what's going on in our country and around

the world and the problems.

SAVIDGE: This latest incident involving the wives does not change your support -- ?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This kind of thing, this mud-slinging, isn't new to politics.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So I mean, it's not nice.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): He's unfiltered, not politically correct. That's something these women love, even if they don't always love how he says

things.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I've cringed maybe on occasion when he's said a certain thing. I've wondered why he said a certain thing. But that's his

personality. He's just -- he just lets it roll.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): And nowhere has Trump perhaps let it roll more than with his feud with FOX anchor Megyn Kelly.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's been baited. He's been baited by Megyn Kelly. I can't even believe --

SAVIDGE: You really think that?

You think that Megyn Kelly --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Come on. The first question that asked by her at that first debate was to bait Donald Trump and to get him in a position

where he would react.

SAVIDGE: What about his reaction to that?

TRUMP: You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He did say it but you don't know what his connotation was. I didn't take it that way.

SAVIDGE: I would have thought those really would have got you upset.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not necessarily, just because he insults men as well. And because he insults men as well, I can't be upset that he's insulting

the women.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): I asked how is it that they didn't seem to think their personal values of honesty, respect and decency weren't compromised

by supporting someone who seems to go against those principles.

SAVIDGE: How do you balance that with your support of a man who seems to violate every aspect of what you believe?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because the other side is worse.

SAVIDGE: Is there anything Donald Trump could do that would make you change your support?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just going back on his policies and on the issues.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Martin Savidge, CNN, Tucson.

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WATSON: Still ahead, Pakistan is reeling after Sunday's park bombing in Lahore. A Taliban splinter group says it targeted Christians in the

attack. When we come back, we're joined by a man whose father was killed for defending a Christian in Pakistan.

Also ahead, it seems the FBI does not need Apple's help after all. How law enforcement officials say they were able to break into the iPhone of a

terrorist. Stay with CNN.

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WATSON: Welcome back to the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Ivan Watson. Here are the headlines.

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WATSON: Now I want to focus on that aspect of the Lahore attack with someone who is affected personally by religious violence in Pakistan. Our

next guest's father, he was assassinated while serving as governor of Punjab province. He was killed by his bodyguard for defending a Christian

woman against accusations of blasphemy.

Aatish Taseer is a columnist and author of the novel, "The Way Things Were." In a "New York Times" column this month, he wrote about how his

father's killer, though tried and executed, became a public hero. Aatish joins us now.

Thank you for joining us, Aatish.

AATISH TASEER, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Hi.

WATSON: My condolences for this horrific bombing. The fact that the suicide bomber targeted a crowded park next to the swing set full of

families, so many children among the victims here, it's hard to even describe this in words.

What is your reaction to this latest atrocity?

TASEER: It's hideous. I mean, it's something that we've sort of horribly had to get used to in Pakistan. But it's absolutely hideous. And every

time it happens, you're sort of reminded of a kind of ever-shrinking circle of faith, in which people are being driven out, basically, anyone who's not

a Sunni Muslim.

WATSON: Now can I ask about your father's case?

The man who was convicted of killing him was executed last month and then tens of thousands of people came out to mourn the passing of what they

described as a hero, the convicted killer.

What do you take away from that, especially when the government right now is vowing justice in the case of this most recent bombing in Lahore?

TASEER: Well, the takeaway is that there seems to be a certain hardening of resolve on the part of the Pakistani state.

But as I wrote in the "The New York Times" piece, the thing that's really worrying is that, is it too late?

Has this ideology left madrassas and mosques and is it now on the ground in Pakistan?

Because, you know, there was a media blackout and the state did everything to sort of suppress that outpouring of affection which was shown to my

father's killer. But they came out in the tens of thousands to support this man and the ideology he supported.

And so it's very hard to turn away from the fact that something is happening on the ground in Pakistan that's much scarier than the actions of

a state or of one group.

WATSON: Well, in the case of the Christians, which Jamaat-ul-Ahrar say they deliberately targeted, this is a tiny minority, just like 2 percent of

the total population.

Why is it that they are being targeted again and again in Pakistan?

TASEER: You know, part of it has to do with the historical reality of Pakistan, which was founded as a religious state. And that ideology was in

fact a very early articulation of a kind of nihilism, where everyone who was not part of the faith was driven out.

So right at '47, you had Sikhs and Hindus driven out and decade by decade, you've seen different heterodox sects of Islam become -- sort of be forced

out, become under attack, whether it's Shia, whether it's the Ahmadis. And the Christians, of course, are an easy target. They're -- it's almost as

if --

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TASEER: -- and this is what my father was actually protesting. He was protesting this assertion of faith, which is, in fact, an attack on

religious minorities.

WATSON: And I think it's worth pointing out that it's not just the Christians who are targeted; the Shiite minority in Pakistan have also been

the victims of horrific attacks, right?

TASEER: Absolutely. It's very important to make that point because, really, what we're seeing is a kind of problem within the world of Sunni

Islam and anyone who doesn't conform to that, whether they be of a heterodox sect of Islam or Christian or Hindu or anything that doesn't fit

that very narrow identity is, in some ways, declared a kind of infidel and run out of town.

WATSON: All right. Aatish Taseer, live from New York, thank you for speaking about this very disturbing set of developments in Pakistan.

TASEER: Thank you.

WATSON: Let's move on now and get some more on the U.S. government and its efforts to break into the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino shooters.

The Justice Department was able to hack into the device with the help of a third party. And CNNMoney technology correspondent Laurie Segall, she

joins me now from New York to help explain something about this case.

So, Laurie, is this a victory for Apple or for the FBI?

LAURIE SEGALL, CNNMONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: It's a bit of a mixed bag, I would say. I mean, it's a victory for Apple in the sense that they

now no longer have to build this software that they didn't have before to help the FBI get into the phone.

Now it's not a victory -- it's bad news for Apple when their whole platform is security and it's now seeing that the FBI was able to exploit a

vulnerability in the iPhone 5c, which is what the San Bernardino shooter had and they were able to extract data.

So I think the question you have now, Ivan, that a lot of folks are asking -- and there was a call with a government official last night and a lot of

folks asked the government official the question of, what do you do with this vulnerability?

Is the FBI going to sit on this and use it to try to get into other phones that they're sitting on for valuable cases?

Or are they going to go to Apple, local law enforcement, and let them know what this vulnerability is?

Now the Department of Justice, in a statement, essentially said they'll pursue other avenues to try to get data in the future for valuable cases.

And I want to read to you what Apple said in a statement as well. They say that, "This case should never have been brought."

They say, "We will continue to help law enforcement with their investigations, as we have done all along and we will continue to increase

the security of our products."

So it's almost, Ivan, as though we went through this whole process and we're almost back to the beginning with this big question of privacy and

security and law enforcement essentially playing catch-up to a lot of the tech advancements.

WATSON: Laurie, do you have any idea who this third party was, this mysterious third party, that helped unlock the phone?

And what methods they could have used to unlock this Apple iPhone?

I think it's an iPhone 5c, with the iOS 9 operating system?

SEGALL: We don't know too much. We have nothing confirmed. Now there is speculation that it was an Israeli company called Celebrate (ph). They

haven't confirmed this, although on their website they do actually say that they've been able to help break into iPhone 5cs.

It also says that they've worked with the government before but they haven't confirmed this. Now there is a popular theory going around that

they used something called a NAND technique, which involves actually creating a copy of the phone. What you do, you take the chip out, create a

copy of it.

And that way, if you're trying to guess 10 passwords, instead of it erasing all the data, you have a copy. So that's one popular theory.

The bottom line, though, is we don't know at this time -- Ivan.

WATSON: All right, Laurie, thank you very much for explaining that. That's Laurie Segall live in New York.

Still ahead, a new spirit comes to the Holy Land. We'll take you inside Israel's first single malt whisky distillery. Stay with us.

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WATSON: Welcome back. Here's an amusing story.

The land of milk and honey is getting a taste for whisky. That's right. An Israeli distillery has crafted the nation's first single malt to meet

the demand. And CNN's Oren Liebermann paid a visit.

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OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the Holy Land, where Palestinian and Israeli vintners are recreating the wine that Jesus drank,

where there's a growing beer and microbrew scene, what's missing?

Whisky: Milk and Honey, a distillery in Tel Aviv, is setting out to solve that problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can make very good whisky in the hot climate, so we wanted to try it.

LIEBERMANN (voice-over): It's Israel's first single-malt whisky. Worldwide demand for single malt whisky has soared in recent years. High-

quality single malt is in short supply. The distillery season opening for Israeli kosher whisky.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Israel, there is not enough drinkers, so we want to export and we want people that love the land and love whisky to buy our

whisky.

LIEBERMANN (voice-over): The first production batch will be 1 million bottles, most of which will ship overseas.

Whisky sales in the U.S. are booming, a potential market for the distillery.

LIEBERMANN: This copper steel is at the heart of the Milk and Honey distillery, custom made based on the scotch model of making whisky. It's

new, so it's clean on the inside.

But over time, it will build up a residue from each new batch so that each new whisky builds on the flavors of the whiskies before it.

LIEBERMANN (voice-over): Master distiller Jim Swan (ph) pours us a tasting of a test batch.

JIM SWAN (PH), MASTER DISTILLER: It is meant to be light, easy drinking. That's the idea. And most are like fruity whiskies, so we're aiming at the

whole world.

LIEBERMANN: You've had more than a few glasses of whisky?

SWAN (PH): I've had more than a few, yes.

LIEBERMANN: And how does this stack up?

SWAN (PH): I think it's pretty good. I'd be happy to sit and drink that.

LIEBERMANN: The first batch that has aged a full three years is not ready yet?

SWAN (PH): No, no, no, no, too early. You'll have to come back in another 2.5 or so years to try them. It's just early.

LIEBERMANN: We will come back.

SWAN (PH): OK.

LIEBERMANN (voice-over): Whisky would be a tiny fraction of Israel's multimillion-dollar alcohol industry. The entrepreneurs hope the market

matures with their whisky -- Oren Liebermann, CNN, Tel Aviv.

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WATSON: Do you think Oren likes whisky?

I do.

All right. An Australian highway slowed to a crawl this weekend.

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WATSON (voice-over): Call it marsupial mayhem. A rogue koala wandered onto a Queensland roadway causing traffic to slow in both directions. He

sauntered alongside the cars, dawdling as drivers snapped photos on their iPhones -- or their regular phones, who knows?

A police officer calmly tried to corral the jaywalking critter. The koala eventually ended up safe in a tree nearby.

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WATSON: That does it for us here at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Ivan Watson. But don't go anywhere, "WORLD SPORT" with Rhiannon Jones is up

next.

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