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Jane Velez-Mitchell

Ayla`s Blood Found

Aired January 30, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from New York City. A major development in the disappearance of baby Ayla Reynolds. I will talk live to the best friend of Ayla`s mom next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): A major development in the case of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds. Cops reveal a significant amount of Ayla`s blood was found in the basement of her father`s home where the 20-month-old was last seen. This as cops say the family`s story doesn`t pass the straight face test. I`ll talk to Ayla`s mother`s best friend live. And I`ll take your calls.

Plus, chilling new testimony in the San Diego love triangle murder trial. A Navy captain cheats on his wife with a beautiful younger woman. Will we hear from the wife herself about why she stabbed her husband ten times and then allegedly tried to make it look like she was attacked, too? We`ll take you inside the courtroom.

And 15 teens suffering from the mysterious uncontrollable twitching. World famous investigator Erin Brockovich is asking if it`s connected to a toxic spill. Could it even be a hoax? I`ll talk to HLN`s Dr. Drew, who talked to two of the girls himself.

Plus, watch Kim Kardashian cry her eyes out over the debacle of her 72-day marriage, all in her TV show season finale. But were Kim`s tears real or another TV stunt?



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They found blood in that house. And her family says investigators told them it`s more than blood that would maybe come from a small cut.

TRISTA REYNOLDS, MOTHER OF MISSING BABY AYLA: I`m ready to go knocking on people`s doors myself, because I want to know what happened to my daughter. And I want to know where she is. And who took her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This family, again, has gone through hell. And I`m tired of it. I want Ayla home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is still no sign of the 20-month-old toddler whose father says vanished in the middle of the night from her grandmother`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was wearing -- last seen wearing green pajamas with white polka dots. They said "Daddy`s Princess."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her father, Justin DiPietro, says that the next morning she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searchers have scoured several blocks surrounding Ayla`s home.

REYNOLDS I want to pick her up, and I want to hold her. I just want to tell her she`s going to be OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would give everything I owned to get her back. Please give her back. Please. Just give her back.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news. It could blow the case of missing baby Ayla Reynolds wide open. Cops say they found Ayla`s blood in the basement of her father`s home. And when confronted with this new evidence, a Boston TV station reports Ayla`s dad ran out of the police station. How did that blood end up on the basement floor? And more important tonight, where is baby Ayla?

Police now revealing a huge secret. Remember that army of cops we saw going in and out of Ayla`s house, wearing white booties a few weeks ago? Shortly after she disappeared, we knew they had to have found something in there.

Well, now they are revealing they did find something shortly after the child disappeared. Those investigators found blood. And not just a drop or two. Cops used the chemical Luminol, just like they do on shows like "CSI Miami." Cops say they found, quote, "more than a small cut would produce." That`s a quote from police. In the basement where Ayla`s father was sleeping with his girlfriend and his girlfriend`s young son. Some of the blood was visible to the naked eye. Some of it wasn`t.

Does that mean somebody tried to clean up the blood to hide evidence?

And get this: apparently some of the blood didn`t belong to Ayla. Could there have been some sort of struggle, with somebody else bleeding along with the baby?

This weekend Ayla`s estranged parents saw each other for the first time since Ayla disappeared. They gave each other a hug. You could feel the tension. Watch this.


REYNOLDS: Do you want to know what my reaction is? Really? You really want to know? I`m ready to go knocking on people`s doors myself because I want to know what happened to my daughter. And I want to know where she is and who took her. Or just whatever. Like everybody else does. My reaction is I`m still trying to concept the fact that blood was found of my daughter`s. That`s my reaction. OK?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A mother`s understandable anguish and frustration. Cops say they do not believe someone broke into the house and kidnapped little Ayla. They say the family story of what happened that night does not pass the straight face test.

Will this new blood trail lead to the killer? If there is a killer. We pray she`s found alive. But authorities are saying they suspect foul play.

A child has disappeared and now blood found in the basement where her father sleeps. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. I want to hear from you.

Straight out to my exclusive guest, Amanda Benner, the best friend of Baby Ayla`s mom Trista. You just heard from Trista a moment ago on tape.

Amanda, thank you so much for joining us. Can you tell us a little bit more about what Trista, what Trista, Ayla`s mom`s reaction was when she found out this weekend that there was a lot of blood -- I would say more than a cut, OK -- of her daughter`s blood discovered in the very basement where her father lives. That is his room. What was her initial reaction, Amanda?

AMANDA BENNER, TRISTA`S FRIEND (via phone): Well, I first seen Trista, which was actually at the vigil for Ayla. She -- she was just a mess. She found out like a half hour, hour before she had gone there. And she was just -- she didn`t know what to say or what to do, how to react.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why did cops wait, do you think, Amanda, to tell the mother of the missing child until now that there was this blood found? This blood was apparently -- the child disappeared in late December. The blood was found shortly thereafter in the home. Why do you think cops waited all this time before informing the mother?

BENNER: I don`t know. I honestly believe that the cops, I could be wrong, but I`m pretty sure the cops weren`t even going to tell Trista. And the reasoning to why they even told her now is because there was a leak in the press.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, that`s fascinating. That is fascinating. There was a leak in the press. So let me go to Steve Moore quickly, former FBI agent. So there`s a possibility they never wanted this information to get out, but when it was leaked in the press, they decided to release it themselves so they could spin it in their own way.

Could there be a strategic reason why they`re releasing it now also, because maybe they have been stymied in the investigation and they`re hoping that this would jog somebody or give somebody the courage to come out and tell the real story?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT: Yes. I think that`s exactly what`s going on. What it might be actually is getting one of the three people in the house that night to decide, "I`m going to roll over and tell them what I know." Frankly, they have three suspects right now, three whose statements wouldn`t pass the giggle test. They have to -- one of those three is going to make a better deal than the other two.

And I think maybe they`re trying to let the people know, "Hey, one of you has got to make a move here or you`re going to be the one holding the bag."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m sure jaws dropped when Ayla`s parents, who don`t live with each other, and they haven`t -- they`re estranged -- saw each other at the vigil for Ayla this past Saturday night. And they did share a long hug. And I`ll show you that hug right now. There is Ayla`s mom and Ayla`s father. They don`t live together. In fact, they were in a custody battle over the child.

And when the mother went to rehab, which I commend. You got a problem, go to rehab and fix it. That`s when they took the child, and they gave the child to the father. OK?

In the past, we`ve heard Ayla`s mother say some pretty tough things about Ayla`s father, suggesting that he was possibly abusing the baby.


REYNOLDS: And he waited over 20, almost 24 hours to bring her to the emergency room. I want to know reasons to watch -- why do you wait all 24 hours to bring a child to -- he himself told me she screamed bloody murder when they fell. But you wait a whole 24 hours to go have her checked out?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Amanda, again, you`re the best friend of the missing child`s mother. And the unofficial godmother to Ayla. There`s a lot of emotion here. I can understand the hug, and we`ll show you again.

But I have to ask, how hard was it to hug the father of the child when the child disappeared on his watch, and now they just announced they found blood in the very basement where he is sleeping with his girlfriend and that girlfriend`s son?

BENNER: I can imagine it would be pretty hard. I know that she was trying to keep herself together the best she could. And they didn`t want any confrontation at the vigil. I mean it was for Ayla. It wasn`t, you know, for the arguing or the debating or trying to figure out who did what and what went wrong. But I know it was extremely hard on her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I can imagine. And, yes, you`re right. She doesn`t want to alienate the father. She probably hugging him in the hopes he`ll reveal something, because Cops have said his story does not pass muster. So this is a very difficult situation that she`s in.

Want to go to the phone lines. Marine, Michigan, your question or thought, Marie?

CALLER: Hi, thanks for taking my call. I was wondering if the father doubted if the child was his. And I`ve been watching through the whole, you know...


CALLER: ... show here and when I saw the father on camera, he just looked to be faking a whole lot. And then the grandmother, in my opinion, at the end when she said, "I`d give everything I own to have her back." How many people say, "Everything I own" instead of "my life," you know. "I`d give my life for her."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re raising some good questions, especially -- Christopher Cousins, you`re the reporter for the "Bangor Daily News" who`s all over this. You`re joining us via Skype.

There was a question, according to the mother, where the father was questioning whether he was even the dad, right?

CHRISTOPHER COUSINS, REPORTER, "BANGOR DAILY NEWS": That`s my understanding, is that that was the case in the beginning after Ayla was born. Trista has told me that since then there`s been a paternity test that proves that Ayla belongs to Justin. And he was apparently satisfied with that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But I mean, the very fact that he`s questioning it, doesn`t that go to sort of confusion or maybe not really embracing the fatherhood? Pat Brown, criminal profiler?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Because once we got to -- they`re not getting along that well. He would question why, you know, maybe this baby isn`t his. But once he found out, he could have stepped up to the plate and said, "The child is mine. I do want to take care of it."

But we see some pretty flaky parenting skills here and a whole lot of lying going on. So my guess is his concern is never been with Ayla particularly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s always invited on this show. Anybody in that house, I want to talk to them. I want to hear everything. Don`t go anywhere. We`re taking more of your calls on this 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Also ahead, the accused killer in the love triangle murder trial finally takes the stand. How is she going to explain stabbing her husband ten times? She admits she did it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The evidence will show that she waited to catch him unprepared. That she armed herself with knives, that she attacked him with planned marksmanship.




REYNOLDS: Actually, I want to have a baby and I was just, I don`t know, I was just happy and sad and I had every emotion that a mother is going to have. I just -- my biggest thing, though, is I was definitely scared.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A child disappears from her father`s home in the middle of the night December 17. No sign of forced entry. A neighbor says that around 3:30 in the morning she hears something that wakes up her dog. Some kind of commotion.

Now, there are three adults in the house. And yet they`re saying this child disappeared. They put the child to bed at 8, approximately. And then they called cops shortly before 9 the next morning. Who leaves a child alone for 12 hours when they`re 20 months old? Come on.

Cops found the blood in the basement where the dad sleeps, using Luminol, just like they do on shows like "CSI: Miami." Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s called a Luminol test.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Luminol, a chemical that makes blood glow in the dark. Cops say some of the blood that they discovered several weeks ago, they`re just announcing now, is that of baby Ayla, more than you would get with a normal cut. Is it possible -- they said some, so is it possible that there is other blood? And if so, who does that other blood belong to? Is it possible, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, that they`re trying to smoke out the truth? And go ahead.

BROWN: I think so. Because they`re getting the information out now, because at a point where they can`t charge him yet with anything. The father. But they think that he`s probably involved. So now they`re letting that information out to see if any of that group will, indeed, turn.

And it`s interesting, because, you know, if you`re looking at an abductor, really, are you going to tell us that an abductor took her out of the crib, took her down to the basement, did something to her and then cleaned up the blood afterwards? So we know that`s not true. That`s ridiculous.

It will also be interesting to know if the father ever told the police anything about a previous accident. And if he didn`t under these, you know, what`s going on right now, then they`re going to say, "Why didn`t you tell us about that?" So I think he`s got himself in a corner now. And these other people with him have to decide whether they`re going to continue to back him if they know something or it`s about time that they tell the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Remember, the child had a soft cast because she had a broken arm at the time of her disappearance. Now, you`ve got to wonder, would the broken arm possibly lead to the blood that was found in the basement? And what type of splatter is it or blood spatter? The different kinds of droplets indicate different kinds of activities, from -- anything from, God forbid, a shotgun to some kind of hammer to a fist to a fall. The blood spatter tells that story.

We finally know now, as Pat was saying, who was in the house and where they were sleeping the night baby Ayla vanished. Ayla`s father sleeping in the basement. Remember, his mom owns the house. And he`s in the basement sleeping with his girlfriend and her young son. And that`s where the blood was found, in the basement.

Ayla was reportedly on the first floor in a bedroom by herself, and Ayla`s aunt and that aunt`s child were in another bedroom right down the hall. So Amanda asked a great question on Facebook. Was this dad and family and friends allowed to go back into the house after the blood was found? And does that jeopardize the investigation?

Joey Jackson, defense attorney, that`s a good question.

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It certainly is. And it really could. Generally speaking, Jane, what happens is that police preserve, and they preserve the evidence by allowing only those who have to come into contact with it come into contact with it.

But something comes to mind, Jane. And that is that, generally, if a baby`s in a room alone, you might have a monitor there, right, to otherwise detect what`s going on if you`re not there. But the blood in and of itself that were found, it could be significant or insignificant. It depends on the amount.

And there are conflicting reports as to the exact amount of blood. Maybe it was just a simple injury. We`ll see soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. More Ayla coming up. But first, your viral video of the day, one minute away.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More Baby Ayla in a minute, but first your viral video of the day.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone can say a word to her, any word. She can say it backwards in three seconds. Let`s go.










UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This family, again, has gone through hell. And I`m tired of it. I want Ayla home. I want one -- somebody in that family have the guts to come up and tell the state police who has her or where she is so we can bring her home once and for all.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that is the father of the mother of the missing child. Ayla`s mom Trista found out about the blood evidence shortly before going to a vigil for little Ayla on Saturday. Now there, Ayla`s father would not talk about all of these new developments in the blood. Listen.


JUSTIN DIPIETRO, FATHER OF BABY AYLA: Again, I`m not here to answer any questions. You know, I`m just here to show my support for the community that is supporting Ayla.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the reports are that, when confronted with the blood evidence at the police station, Ayla`s father ran out of that station.

However, he has reportedly tried to drum up support for the search for Ayla by contacting the Laura Recovery Center. And we`re going to speak right now on the phone.

Dawn Davis of the Laura Recovery Center. I understand your organization, and perhaps you specifically, spoke to Justin and had been in contact with him until this blood evidence bombshell which we have to call it, that`s what it is. What was your conversation with Justin like?

DAWN DAVIS, LAURA RECOVERY CENTER (VIA PHONE): Well, Justin contacted us at the beginning of the January in hopes that we could help him raise awareness of Ayla`s disappearance, in hopes that somebody would find her or have seen her some place. So we helped the family with flyers and T-shirts and some resources such as that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me ask you this, Dawn. Did you get a sense that he was sincere? Or did you get a sense that maybe he was reaching out for some other purpose to, perhaps, look like he`s being involved, because he was criticized for not -- not being -- not going public immediately, not doing a news conference, begging for help, that kind of thing.

DAVIS: Right. And when I spoke with him, he seemed very sincere. He expressed frustration of being -- not knowing thou respond in the public eye. A lot of times these parents of missing children are put under a great deal of scrutiny. And it`s hard for them to know how to react because no one really has any idea what they`re going through and what`s happening at the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you believe him that he was just a concerned genuine dad looking for his daughter? He is not being called a suspect or a person of interest. But, obviously, when cops say his story doesn`t pass the straight face test, they are saying they think he`s lying.

DAVIS: I think that, you know, they`re doing their job of the investigating and trying to find every answer they can. And certainly in light of those things that they announced this weekend, I`m certain that they`re taking every avenue and every precaution in trying to find Ayla.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to the phone lines. Kim, Arkansas. Your question or thought quickly, Kim.

CALLER: Yes, ma`am. I`m a mother of four children. And I have a 5- month-old. And I don`t understand why a parent can do this. But what if it`s his girlfriend or his mother? He could be lying to protect somebody else.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There were three adults in the home that night. Cops need to figure out how to get them, one of them, to tell the truth. More next.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A New York school district has hired its own experts to investigate the mysterious twitching illness affecting at least a dozen students.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Health officials say 12 girls from the Roy Junior- Senior High School have exhibited similar symptoms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My body is sore. Sometimes, it gets me to the point that I want to cry from twitching so much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A doctor who has evaluated 11 of the 12 girls says it`s conversion disorder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t know what to think at the time. I`m like, how can you send your child to school perfectly normal and a couple hours later you`re picking her up in this condition.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) I don`t think I can wake up from a nap and this just happen.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Unbelievable. We have to tell you, people this some very, very disturbing stuff. And new details in the very disturbing and very puzzling mystery that has really captivated the entire nation; 15 -- 1-5 -- high school students are suffering from an apparently uncontrollable verbal outbursts, twitching and seizures.

Take a look at this from HLN`s Dr. Drew.



THERA SANCHEZ, SUFFERING FROM MEDICAL MYSTERY: I`m not good. Not today. I haven`t been for a while. My ticks -- my ticks got worse.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Take a look at those girls. Health officials think these teens in upstate New York might be suffering from a psychological condition called "conversion disorder" which is basically when stress causes uncontrollable physical actions, like this.

But famous activist Erin Brockovich says there is another reason.


ERIN BROCKOVICH, ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST: There was a very serious train derailment that caused one ton of cyanide to spill and 45,000 gallons of TCE.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Erin says that rocks and soil contaminated from that spill were used to build the school where these kids go to school. And she knows a thing or two about what can happen if these chemicals aren`t properly disposed of.

Check out this movie starring Julia Roberts based on her famous case.


JULIA ROBERTS, ACTRESS: Believe it or now, I`m on the prowl for some water records.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You come to the right place.

ROBERTS: I guess I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can just tell me what you want to look at.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now reports that Erin and her team were kicked off school property. So what is really going on here?

Straight out to my very special guest and my colleague Dr. Drew; first of all, great work on this, Dr. Drew. I think it`s fabulous that you focused the nation`s attention on this issue. You interviewed two of these girls and one even had a seizure on your show. First of all, do you think these girls are really sick?

PINSKY: Well, even if it is a conversion disorder that is a bona fide medical condition that needs very intensive treatment. My problem is, you know, I spent, Jane, about 20 years many in my career working in a psychiatric hospital where one of my primary responsibilities is to determine when a patient is admitted for psychiatric syndrome, could there be precipitating or contributing medical issues? And you would be stunned to know how frequently I discovered things that made a huge difference in the presentation of the psychiatric problems.

And in this case, it just -- it just felt like one of those conditions to me. And then when that mom that you`re seeing there -- the blonde woman in the middle, came to me and said, you know, she wasn`t angry. She wasn`t dismissive because she knows she`s being taken care of by a good neurological team. That is her daughter there twitching away in the hospital. She said, you know, as a mom my instinct tells me that there has to be something more going on here. We just haven`t exhausted this thing.

And so I put a plea out. We got involved with the National Institute of Health. We`re having them evaluated for a panda (ph) syndrome which is sort of a post-infections auto-immune syndrome. And then Erin Brockovich came along and discovered what can only be described as something stunning.

When you see tonight -- at 9:00 I`ll be airing the footage that Erin and my team discovered at the train derailment site. She and a gentleman who`s been working with her for 20 years and he says it is two decades of work with her, he has never seen a site like this where the remediation site, the site that they were supposed to clean up has itself become a toxic dump. And it is only feet from residence and a couple miles from the school.

And we`re finding not only that there are just these teens but Erin has been getting dozens and maybe hundreds of people who are going to step forward and say they have had peculiar and similar syndromes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to talk about possibilities. Now we`ve gotten some feedback from people who don`t have any real information. But just their gut feeling is they`re wondering, my gosh, could this be some kind of hoax? Then others say well maybe it`s hysteria.

Let`s take a look at what one of the girls has to say and then we`re going to talk about some of the other possibilities you mentioned, Dr. Drew.


CHELSEY DUMARS, SUFFERS FROM MYSTERIOUS ILLNESS: I was happy before it all happened. I cheered. I hung out with my friends. I hate when that happens because my body is sore. Sometimes it gets me to a point that I want to cry from twitching so much.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I got to say, Dr. Drew, when I first saw the girls, I thought well, wait a second. They`re all girls. They all go to the same school. Maybe they all know each other. Maybe this is a plea for attention.

But as I started to look at this train derailment issue and the fact that this train derailed with this really, really toxic carcinogen four miles away spilling 30,000 gallons of this stuff TCE which is precisely the kind of stuff that makes twitching and makes these --

PINSKY: That`s right.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- crazy bizarre neurological reactions. And then when I started to hear that the U.S. government, no shock here, failed to clean it up and that some of the materials that were used to build this school came from the area where this train derailment occurred. I started to think, now wait. I don`t think this is a hoax. I think these girls have come down with something.

PINSKY: It`s getting very complicated. And there may be some element of conversion here. By the way, again, conversion is not malingering. Malingering is what you`re talking about as a hoax.

Nobody, none of the evaluating professionals have said malingering. They`ve said at least conversion and mass hysteria which is a psychiatric medically diagnosable syndrome. But I just think that although there may be some conversion here, I think at least some of these cases have a biological basis.

And now what Erin is suggesting is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. We`re seeing now other people running forward, in fact, we`re going to interview a woman tonight. I don`t know if we`re going to have a chance to air her or not, but she`s in her 40s and she has a very similar syndrome.

Something is going on. And by the way, even if it`s unrelated to what these neurological conditions are these girls are having, we have uncovered something astonishing in this community that really needs to be carefully evaluated. It`s possible this community is at risk.

I don`t want to cause any panic. But this is a serious issue. When somebody who has been doing this work for 20 years says he`s never seen anything like this in his entire career.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Drew, as you said, it`s not just teenagers. An older woman has now come forward. She`s not older -- I mean she`s 36. But she`s come forward. She`s older than the teenagers. She`s come forward with similar symptom. Let`s check it out.


MARG FITZSIMMONS, DIAGNOSED WITH CONVERSION DISORDER: This constant jerking. My arms started to jerk. My leg started to jerk. The vocals started.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now I`m telling you that the school is saying, hey, nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. They don`t think there is any connection between the environment and this mysterious illness. Quote, "The medical and environmental investigations have not uncovered any evidence that could link the neurological symptoms to anything in the environment or of an infectious nature."

But, Dr. Drew, I`m not trying to down the school, but what do they know really about environmental issues? What do any of us know?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re pouring so many chemicals on our body every day and we assume the government is taking care of making sure that those chemicals are healthy. And the fact is -- that they`re not going to hurt us -- the fact is that the government isn`t really doing that. And a lot of the chemicals that are legal in the United States are banned in Europe. And that we, according to some people who have become a toxic dumping ground for dangerous chemicals, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Well, you need to get Erin on your show because she has a lot to say about that kind of thing. But I`m trying to stay focused on this particular medical syndrome.

Let me just say the school has done its due diligence and has actually hired a separate agency to re-evaluate the data that`s out there and the Health Department has been through there. But doesn`t mean there aren`t people with specialized training and specialized techniques that could further elucidate this thing.

Because as you`re saying Jane, I talked to -- or one of my producers talked tonight to a physical. And I was asking him questions through her who specializes in the neurotoxicity of these chemicals. He said you know what? This is a field in its infancy. It is very hard to nail these things down. We can`t really do it. And we see these things all the time where some sort of toxic influence causes bizarre neurological syndromes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, I mean this mystery is radically changing lives. Let`s check out another clip from your show. It`s fascinating.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s hard being -- it`s hard not being able to do what you love. Even going to school; I love going to school. But it`s -- it`s -- it`s hard to -- I think it`s even harder knowing that I don`t know what`s going on. Like I`d like to be able to answer people if they ask me what`s happening.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Back to our criminal profiler. We want to bring you in. I think what Erin Brockovich has done is amazing. She`s one of my heroes, first of all. But how can they figure out what is going on here? What would you say as a criminal profiler?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I think they knew to do kind of a flowchart. Because they`re talking about an incident that occurred 40 years ago but the chemicals are still there. And they may have gone through some kind of change or, you know, something may have brought them up to a location where they could be affecting human beings.

They need a flow chart; put every one of these girls on it and see what were the precipitating conditions. What were the physical ones? Their emotional? Their behavioral? What did they all do, you know, that would make them suddenly have the symptoms? And see if they`re all the same or if they`re not all the same.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And if people are thinking, hey maybe this is a hoax, maybe they should just check the text. Were these girls in conversation with each other? Were they planning anything? Because that way they can discount that and they could focus on whether there really was an environmental disaster here that led to this.

Dr. Drew, thank you so much for joining us tonight. I know folks are going to tune into your show tonight. You`re going to have a lot more on this medical mystery and your special guest Erin Brockovich, who I love.

Next, will an accused love triangle killer take the stand? This woman admits she stabbed her husband ten times and wrote an eight-page e-mail to the husband`s mistress. You will not believe, trust me.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was a 30-year-old med student; he was a married ER doctor -- both in the navy. The mistress, the woman at the center of this deadly love triangle took the stand today telling jurors she was very much in love.

She sent Robins a chilling eight-page e-mail telling her, "My husband is not going to be yours."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He definitely said that there were issues and that he`s been unhappy for a long time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say when Jennifer Trayers learned about the affair, she snapped, stabbing her husband eight times in the back and right through the heart.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news tonight out of San Diego. The woman who brutally killed her husband stabbing him ten times is now on the witness stand telling her story.

Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from New York City.

Tonight, on the other coast, San Diego, we have stunning developments in the deadly love triangle. A navy doctor is dead, killed by his wife -- there she is with the bun -- after she found out about her husband`s affair. You`re going to see the woman who is much younger, very pretty woman that he was having an affair with. We`ve just gotten video of the wife on the stand.

And today she described a marriage full of cheating on both sides. Listen to her talk about one of her husband`s early affairs.


JENNIFER TRAYERS, ACCUSED OF KILLING HUSBAND: She had made him a photo album of the trip and put little stickers and notes and stuff on them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that something he showed you?

TRAYERS: No, I found it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did you find our?

TRAYERS: Maybe, like, six months or so later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did that concern you at all that he had that type of photo albums, is that what they were?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it concern you at all that he had a phone album of another woman?



TRAYERS: Why was he hiding it? Why would you need to hide a photo album of a hiking trip?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now that wife who is the defendant on trial for murder goes on to describe a history of cheating by her husband.

But this case, when he cheated with a very beautiful woman, Danielle Robins, it seemed to bother her more than the others. She sends this eight-page e-mail that I`m holding in my hand -- you won`t believe this thing -- eight page e-mail to the mistress and shortly after -- there`s the beautiful mistress -- take a look at her. Ok. This is the one that really upset this wife.

She sends an eight-page e-mail to that woman. And shortly afterwards stabs her husband ten times and leaves him to die in their bed. She then stabs herself, superficially according to the medical examiner. She admits that she killed her husband. But she says, hey, it was in the heat of the moment.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He says well, you really shouldn`t go side to side like that. Your artery runs down the long ways of your arm. That`s how you should do it. She took the knife as they were wrestling over it away from Mr. Trayers and just started stabbing him -- just started stabbing him in the upper body area. And she will tell that you after the first stab or two she doesn`t remember much after that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But this e-mail, eight pages, of a long well thought- out letter to the mistress seems to point to a plan. The wife, the defendant, addresses it to the mistress, quote, "Little Miss Grass is Not Greener on My Side" and signs it, "Sincerely Mrs. Wonderful". It is dripping with sarcasm and some explosive things. We`re going to read them to you in just a moment and take a look inside this letter. It`s an emotional day in court.

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Now, I want to go straight out to our very special guest. We have Kerry Armstrong (ph), who is the defendant, Jennifer Trayers` attorney, along with Marc Kohnen who is also Jennifer Trayers`. And I want to ask you gentlemen, ok, your client admits she killed her husband. Admits she stabbed him ten times. She`s charged with murder.

But you`re saying, well, it shouldn`t be murder. It should be something much lighter that will only get her about 16 years. Right? Why?

MARC KOHNEN, ATTORNEY FOR JENNIFER TRAYERS: Well, we are saying it should be voluntary manslaughter which, by the way, only carries up to 12 years in this particular case. And we`re arguing that it`s a heat passion case. In other words, she did not deliberate or plan this out. It was in the heat of the moment and she overreacted and unfortunately led to this tragic result of her husband dead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have to tell you, we`re just getting started. We`re going to read this astounding e-mail in one minute.

But first, your laugh break is coming up in just a minute. You got to see this one.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More love trial in a moment. But first, I think you deserve a laugh break. I know I do.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Buddy, buddy, that box is a little too small for you. It`s not quite -- it`s not quite your size. You know. I think you`ve got other options to choose from.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any other reason that you began to think they were having an affair, besides what you saw in that album?

TRAYERS: Just the fact that he would go up there and stay for the whole weekend, and when he -- he wouldn`t -- when he would come home from school, he would act like I don`t exist and go up and call her on the phone or go up and instant message her, and it would be like I wasn`t even home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: She seems so prim and proper, but she admits that she stabbed her husband ten types because he was having an affair with that beautiful blond. And I got to say, there`s an incriminating e-mail that the defendant wrote to this woman.

She wrote a letter to her husband`s mistress. And she says, "Did you know he likes to look at teenage girls on porn Web sites? He thinks I don`t know what happens on deployment." And she also goes on to say, "You`re making wedding plans. You try and get him to stop having sex with me, very clever. But what excuse is he supposed to give for his wife for not wanting sex."

I have to go out to her attorneys. Kerry Armstrong, cops are saying that that shows premeditation. That`s not voluntary manslaughter, that`s murder. She refers to her husband in the past tense and says my husband is not going to be yours and essentially refers to him in the past tense hours before she stabs him.

Kerry. Kerry. All right.

Pat brown, you get my point, don`t you, criminal profiler?

BROWN: Absolutely. Well, you know, the letter she wrote was not that unusual. I think a lot of women who`d be furious at this kind of situation could toss off an e-mail. However this shows premeditation. She didn`t just all of a sudden snap, and I don`t ever believe people do. She knew her husband cheated on her, because that was proven, and she decided to take care of it.

It goes to prove, if you`re going to cheat on someone, be sure she doesn`t have a personality disorder or you`re going to end up dead. I mean you have two people here who weren`t acting properly and it ends up in a bad situation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, part of it was the wife who is now accused of murder had gotten some special high tech program that allowed her to view all of her husband`s e-mails, so she was looking at all the communication with the mistress.

Kerry Armstrong, why not murder? You represent this defendant. All right.

Joey Jackson. You`re a defense attorney. Come on.

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know what happened, Jane, you could equally argue that this made the blood boil, right? It made her upset. It annoyed her. It just really shredded her. Now, that doesn`t go to show premeditation. What the defense is arguing, it`s a great point, is that she at the heat of the moment, when they were in the argument and you know what; go ahead kill yourself, he says. You know, I`ll show you how to do it better. That she just snapped.

It`s a huge distinction because it`s the difference between 12 years, Jane, and 26 years to life. And that is -- I mean that`s the case right there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Celine, our producer, Celine Darkalstanian, you were in court. What strikes me is how prim and proper this defendant looked and yet she`s accused of doing the unthinkable with a knife.

CELINE DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: I mean, Jane, what`s really interesting, you have to keep in mind is we saw pictures in court today of her when the actual murder occurred. And she looks completely different. She has dark black hair. I mean clearly she`s not dyeing her hair while she`s in custody. But she looks like a completely different woman.

And I think that was the most fascinating part of the court hearing today. Just seeing those photos of how she looked during the murder is not the woman we see today.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to stay on top of this because it`s fascinating.

Up next, the Kardashians.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wanted to have sort of a fairy tale wedding with all of her families and friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kim Kardashian is calling it quits on her husband number two.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It certainly wasn`t a sham. It certainly wasn`t something for TV. We have enough going on, you know, on our show that we don`t have to make things up. I mean she really felt like she was in love with him.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Kim Kardashian on the finale of "Courteney and Kim Take New York" cries. At least she pretends to cry. Maxine Page, RadarOnline. I didn`t believe her.

MAXINE PAGE, RADARONLINE: Come on, I was crying into my Kleenex last night it was such a tear jerker.

I mean, you know, they were married for 72 days. She now says that she didn`t even know him. I mean how can you even be upset about that? It`s crazy. They dated for less than a year, you know. It`s just crazy. It`s just more drama.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what; I don`t buy the tears. And -- hasta la vista.