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Jane Velez-Mitchell

New Clues in Missing Oregon Mom Case

Aired July 30, 2014 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, brand-new information in the very puzzling case of that missing Oregon mom. New details about what Jennifer

Huston was doing in the moments before she mysteriously vanished as if into thin air.

Cops just released this photo of Jennifer at a Rite Aid minutes before she disappeared. This is the last image we have of her. Could this

drugstore visit shed light on how and why this mother of two young boys went missing nearly a week ago?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother of two wouldn`t vanish on her own, that she never leave her little boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends continue to search.

KALLEN HUSTON, HUSBAND: We`re fighting every angle we can to find you.

I have the feeling maybe she`s in a ditch somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody`s safe till we find her.

HUSTON: The boys love you, and they miss you. And I miss you. We`re going to find you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jennifer`s husband says she was stressed out before she left her home south of Portland last Thursday evening to run errands.

She visited an ATM, then topped off the gas tank in her SUV before stopping at a Rite Aid to buy snacks and over-the-counter sleeping pills.

Minutes later, her phone stopped sending signals, and she simply disappeared. There has been no sign of Jennifer or her 1999 Lexus SUV with

an Oregon license plate.

A helicopter search of the surrounding area today turned up no clues. Cops say that SUV could have been driven up to 350 miles on that full tank

of gas. That`s a huge range of where it -- where she could be in the Pacific Northwest. Even Canada.

This could be a carjacking, kidnapping with the abductor behind the wheel. Or, could Jennifer have left on her own? Or could something else

have happened to her in the immediate area of that Rite Aid drugstore? It`s a total mystery. And a race is on to find out what really happened.

Now so many questions about whether Jennifer`s husband, Kallen, has been perhaps talking too much, trying to create an alibi. Well, cops say

Kallen is not a suspect. They even revealed today that he has passed a polygraph. He pleaded for his wife`s safe return on ABCNews.com.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUSTON: If you are being held against your will, say strong. People are praying for you. We`re fighting every angle we can to find you.

I love you. The boys -- the boys love you, and they miss you. And I miss you. We`re going to find you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What`s your theory? Call me at 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1- 877-586-7297. Or weigh in on Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook.

Our Lion`s Den debate panel is standing by, ready to try and solve this mystery. But first, straight out to the missing woman`s father, Bill

Turner.

Mr. Turner, first of all, my heart goes out to you. I know I speak for the -- for my staff, for our panel. I know you`re going through a

hellish time right now, and we want to help. We want to maybe jog somebody`s memory, encourage somebody to come forward, or maybe just put

the pieces of the puzzle together in a way that somehow makes some sense.

May I ask -- may I ask you, sir, your son-in-law said your daughter was stressed out when she left the house to run errands. Do you have any

idea why she was stressed out?

BILL TURNER, FATHER OF JENNIFER HUSTON (via phone): At this time, no. It`s just I believe every parent or every person who gives care to a child

24/7 from time to time would like a little breathing room, is the best way I can describe it.

My wife`s also a caregiver for a toddler and she -- full-time. And every once in a while I get home from work. I immediately try to take him

out of the house to play at the park or do something where she has some breathing room of her own.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s go through, for our audience at home, the time line, and then I want to ask you about it.

The key to this case is in the details. So here`s the time line.

Last Thursday, 5:45 p.m., Jennifer leaves her house to run errands. She makes it to the bank by about 6, takes out less than $100.

Then at 6:10, she`s spotted on surveillance camera filling up her gas tank. And now we learned that between 6:10 and 6:17, Jennifer is spotted

on camera going into the Rite Aid.

A few minutes later at 6:22, her cell phone registers a text from her mother. And then three minutes after that, Jennifer`s cell phone is turned

off.

So my question to you, if I may call you Bill...

TURNER: You may.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... at 6:22, she gets a text from her mother. Did Jennifer reply to that text? Tell us what you can about that key text.

TURNER: Well, I`ll go back in the time line for just a second. First stop was the ATM, second stop was the Rite Aid, and a third stop was the

gas station. That was the final one.

But the -- Jennifer did not respond to that text that night. And it wasn`t something that required a response. It was just informational

regarding -- just information regarding her brother. And so there`s no additional details that were provided. And we`re not going to go into the

content of that text.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. But she did not respond? That`s the bottom line.

TURNER: That is correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then three minutes later, her cell phone goes off?

TURNER: Approximately, yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, sir, I understand that you many years ago were a criminal investigator in the military who even worked on some homicide

cases. So obviously, your expertise is crucial here.

Here is my question -- and I say this not to in any way, you know, draw any conclusions. But this occurred to me, so I want to ask you, in

the spirit of trying to solve this case.

It seemed like her errands weren`t crucial. Like she goes out to run errands. But then she gets less than $100, pays for the sleeping pills and

the trail mix in cash, but then uses a credit card to not fill up her empty tank but to top it off, in essence. So none of those seem like crucial

reasons to go out and run an errand.

Do you have any thoughts on that at all?

TURNER: No. We know that she has varying habits regarding purchasing gas, whether she fully tops off the tank or just puts about $40 in the

tank. So we don`t have any real clue that that is really useful information.

But she really didn`t deviate from anything she normally did. That day was a little bit light on her texts and e-mails and phone calls. But

it wasn`t anything out of the ordinary.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me ask you about the sleeping pills, the over-the-counter sleeping pills. Were you aware that she was taking over-

the-counter sleeping pills? Was her husband aware of that prior to the police releasing that? I know she had had headaches in the three days

leading up to her disappearance, according to her husband.

TURNER: That`s correct. Headaches are well known right now. But as far as taking sleeping aids, I take something once in a while to sleep.

Because most sleeping aids, one of the main ingredients is the same thing you get in a package of Benadryl.

And so the other ingredients I`m not -- I`m not familiar with. But I do know that she often has trouble sleeping. If she doesn`t get a good

night`s sleep -- that`s one of the things that Kallen always asks her about, is how did you sleep last night? Because the way he describes his

rest is he sleeps like a rock. He doesn`t really know if she`s asleep or not next to him. So it`s not like she`s disserving him that she is awake.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we talked about the headaches. Her husband, Kallen Huston, said Jennifer was suffering from headaches for three days

before she disappeared. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUSTON: The only thing she complained about was that she had -- she was suffering from headaches for like the last three days leading up to her

disappearance on Thursday. And we talked about it briefly. It wasn`t to the point where it was debilitating, and I don`t -- I don`t know if there

was anything there or not that would lead us to some kind of a conclusion. But it was enough to where she mentioned it several days in a row.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, again, just trying to understand the story. Bill, OK, your daughter was stressed out. She had headaches for three days

leading up. And she also had, as you`re mentioning now, sometimes trouble sleeping. And then she goes and gets sleep aids, over-the-counter sleeping

pills, which can make you drowsy.

Is there anything -- do you think that`s completely irrelevant or do you think we can garner something from that?

TURNER: I really don`t know at this point in time what we`re -- what was the useful information in the press release was that even had she taken

every pill in that small package, it would not have been a fatal dose, which is something we just wouldn`t want to hear. And they`ve gone as far,

I believe, in the announcement, they actually checked with the poison control center and gave them the specific ingredients to make sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you know of anything knew -- we`re about to talk to the police captain. Is there anything new you have learned at all about

your daughter`s disappearance? Any new clue whatsoever?

TURNER: Unfortunately none whatsoever. So we just want to keep reminding people about the vehicle description. There`s the small crack in

the glass of the windshield. One of the headlights has got, like, a B.B. hole that`s cracked or something. It`s still operational but the front

glass, there`s a small -- small crack or small hole like a B.B. hole.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to thank you, sir. We hope that your daughter comes back safe and sound. And my heart goes out to you, your wife, the

entire family, her children, the husband. I know this is hellish. It`s surreal for you, and we want to help.

When we come back on the other side, we`re going to talk to the police captain who`s investigating and our expert panel.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huston`s husband tells investigators his wife seemed distressed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He could identify pretty early on that it was time -- she needed time to unwind or just get out of the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve learned she went to an ATM and a Newberg bank. Then this new surveillance photo shows her minutes later at a

Newberg Rite Aid, where she bought Gatorade, trail mix and sleeping pills.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The question remains, does 38-year-old Jennifer Huston just want some alone time or did something happen?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody`s safe till we find her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jennifer`s friends and her husband say she`s an organized and scheduled person who would never leave her two sons and her

husband and just vanish. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUSTON: Very uncharacter-like of her. She`s a very regimented person. She sticks to a schedule. She`s potty-training our 2-year-old.

This is not nothing that she would do. She wouldn`t just vacate and go anywhere. She has no history of this. There`s no mental illness history.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Captain Chris Bolek of the Newberg-Dundee Police Department, thank you for joining us, sir.

Want to clarify: we have three stops here. And we`ve heard differing reports. What`s the order? The first stop`s the bank. Is the second stop

the gas station and the third stop the Rite Aid, as you have in your news release that I`m holding here, or did she go to the Rite Aid and then the

last stop is the gas station?

CHRIS BOLEK, NEWBERG-DUNDEE POLICE DEPARTMENT (via phone): She went to the Rite Aid after the -- after the bank and then to the filling

station.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So the last stop is the filling station?

BOLEK: Correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, at 6:22 she gets a text from her mom. She doesn`t answer it.

At 6:25, her phone goes off. Have you been able to determine with the pings where she was between her last known sighting and getting the text at

6:22? Have you ever been able to figure out with the pings where she was at 6:22?

BOLEK: The last pings are consistent with where we know she was, in that area of the Circle K filling station and the Rite Aid. So that`s

consistent and that`s all that we have. The phone just stopped communicating as of about the 6:35 time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, here`s the thing that occurs to me. If she was on a major freeway, you`re looking for this vehicle. The vehicle has

disappeared into thin air. Wouldn`t you have spotted this vehicle, whether she was driving it or some abductor was driving it by now if it was driving

on freeways?

Have you considered, and I`m sure you have, the possibility that somebody in the immediate area abducted her and put this vehicle in their

garage? And are you going sort of door to door in the Dundee/Newberg area to see if anybody has a car in their garage or hidden in their backyard?

BOLEK: The actual door-to-door and neighborhood search, no. We haven`t done that. The inference -- although we`re gaining the information

that we`re gaining tends to not lend that direction. It lends more to she took off on her own. That said -- that said, we`re not closing up --

closing any other options either. But we haven`t moved to that direction to a door-to-door neighborhood search.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, we`re going to show you a map in a second. There it is. She can drive a -- or whoever is driving that car

could drive a 350-mile radius. That goes all the way up across the border of Vancouver. Do we know if she had her passport with her or whether her

passport was at home?

BOLEK: That question has been asked, and she doesn`t have a passport, at least to my knowledge. But I know that that question has been asked by

the detectives.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In other words, she had it with her?

BOLEK: No, did not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, did not. OK, all right. That answers that...

BOLEK: Does not -- does not possess a passport. That`s my understanding.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now -- oh, she does not possess a passport. All right.

Boy, I have to ask you about the whole headaches, sleeping pills. Do we have any evidence that she may have been taking sleeping pills

regularly?

BOLEK: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I ask this question honestly, as I`m a recovering alcoholic with 19 years of sobriety. I can`t take those sleeping pills,

because that would be considered a slip because they are mood-altering. And so they can also be habit forming. That`s -- that is the case. We see

that with a lot of prescription pills and with over-the-counter pills. People -- and it`s no fault of their own. It just happens. It`s the fault

of the items that they are habit producing.

Do we have any sense that she may have been on a regular routine of taking sleeping pills, because her father said that she often had trouble

getting to sleep?

BOLEK: I heard that when you were interviewing her father a few moments ago. And no, we don`t have any evidence of that whatever, that she

had any sort of habit or addiction to sleeping pills or anything like that. It`s actually quite the contrary. That would be very surprising if that

were to have -- were to be the case. But we have no evidence or indication of that at this time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Captain, is there anything new in this? Has anything happened? Have you seen -- has anybody said, "I saw

this vehicle. I saw this vehicle. I saw this -- I saw this woman with somebody"? Anything?

BOLEK: No, unfortunately not. We wish minute by minute that that -- that we get that phone call. But we certainly haven`t.

And I just want to say that I appreciate you folks continuing to keep this in the forefront of the -- especially our western states area.

Because we really believe that it`s going to be with the help of the public that`s going to help to locate Ms. Huston.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the -- thank you, sir. And we certainly hope that she comes back OK.

On the other side, our expert panel, they`re itching to jump in and analyze. Stay right there. And we`re taking your calls and Facebooks.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for a missing Oregon mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At approximately 6:10 to 6:17 she went into the Rite Aid, where she purchased Gatorade, trail mix and sleeping pills.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caught on video before vanishing, but what really happened to Jennifer Huston?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is Jennifer Huston? Our Lion`s Den panel set to weigh in, beginning with Elizabeth Espinoza, CNN Espanol anchor. Your

thoughts?

All right. Let`s start with Brian Claypool.

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Hey, Jane, I have a couple questions before I answer, for Captain Bolek. I want to know...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s not here anymore. No.

CLAYPOOL: I wanted to -- he might be watching your show, Jane. I want to know: Is he treating this -- is he treating this as a missing

person report, or is he treating it as if Jennifer might be in danger of her life or that a crime has been committed? I`ll tell you why.

I did a little bit of research on Oregon law. And if this is just a missing person report, these cops have no subpoena power , and they have no

power to get search warrants to go in and search her computer and find out what the heck`s going on here. That`s an important fact we need to figure

out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on a second. Areva Martin, wouldn`t the husband give them approval? "Yes, come on in. Take her" -- if she`s missing, they

have to be able to go in her...

CLAYPOOL: Doesn`t sound like they`ve done it, Jane.

AREVA MARTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You would expect for the husband to be cooperating fully with the police, giving them access to everything.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But he is. He is.

MARTIN: That`s a wonderful thing. Because I don`t think there`s any doubt that this woman -- something horrible`s happened to this woman.

Everything we know about her pattern, everything we know about her lifestyle, her commitment to her children suggests that something has

happened. She`s been abducted or some crime has happened. This isn`t just a woman that got in her car and decided to leave her family. It just

doesn`t add up, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Elizabeth Espinoza.

ELIZABETH ESPINOZA, CNN ESPANOL: Yes. Sorry, we`re here now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: yes.

ESPINOZA: So let me say this, I really think what`s happening here is the family is clueless. And I say that respectfully, OK? Because you`re

right. This young woman is not going to abandon her two babies.

But I think that the fact that she`s not sleeping. These are complete signs that something is wrong with her, mentally speaking. There`s a

mental health issue that perhaps dad, husband are unaware of.

He passed that polygraph test. I don`t think the husband is to blame here. But he probably didn`t realize she snapped. Something was happening

and she was in her own way acting what appeared to be normal, but something was very wrong, speaking about mental health issues.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Quickly, Dr. Robi Ludwig, the sleeping pills, any thoughts?

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, it is very unusual for someone to try to kill themselves with pills these days, because it doesn`t

work so well. So I really believe this woman was having some sleep issues. But a lot of people in America have sleep issues.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you think it`s irrelevant?

LUDWIG: I just think she was trying to self-medicate. I wonder if there`s a health issue going on. The headaches certainly concern me. I

wonder if there was some neurological issue going on or there`s some crime going on. But, you know, the husband seems innocent to me. We`ll see.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the information, but he seems innocent.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m sorry. Because we had breaking news with so many of our important guests on as far as the father and the captain, Tattiana

Kova, private investigator, what do you think?

TATTIANA KOVA, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I think that I`m familiar with Oregon. And I can see there`s a lot of transients and people that pass in

and out, up and down in that local area.

So it worries me, going back to the fact, is someone hiding the vehicle? Is somebody doing these things? I would be knocking down doors

myself, you know, friends and families, looking at things or hire a private investigator in the area, because this is not this woman`s pattern.

The sleep aid, she has two small children. You know, my dogs wake me up. When my child was small, she woke me up. Maybe there`s some stress at

home. Was there pills already at home, some kind of sleep aid already?

Why would she be buying them again? But maybe she ran into some trouble and it`s easy at those gas stations because they wait for

vulnerable women. They wait for women. And that worries me. So this vehicle needs to be looked at. And what concerns me is at the time of the

phone...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve got to go. I`m so sorry. We`re going to stay on top of this.

On the other side, we have breaking news about a star-studded, well, Hollywood feud, Justin Bieber versus Orlando Bloom. A fist was thrown

allegedly. TMZ is going to update us on a story that is exploding online.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Orlando Bloom tried to punch Justin Bieber.

JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGER: I`m always pretty focused before I go out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello. How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He needs a wake-up call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s human.

BLOOM: Miranda, for giving me the greatest gift of all, my son.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news, Justin Bieber facing off with another one of Hollywood`s hottest stars, actor Orlando Bloom. This video was shot

at a nightclub in the party island of Ibiza off the coast of Spain. It appears to show the ever-troubled singer and the "Pirates of the Caribbean"

star exchanging words, at one Bloom allegedly takes a swing at Bieber`s famous face but misses.

What caused the usually cool Bloom to totally lose it? Were these two celebs battling over women? Reports are Bieber and Bloom have a

longstanding feud over their equally famous exes. We reached out to Orlando Bloom and Justin Bieber`s reps -- haven`t heard back.

Straight out to TMZ, news manager, Mike Walters -- Mike, so great to see you, you are all over this story. If anybody really knows what

happened between Orlando and Justin and the women behind it, it`s you. Tell us.

MIKE WALTERS, NEWS MANAGER, TMZ: Absolutely, Jane. Good to see you, too. One name -- Miranda Kerr -- that is the mother of Orlando Bloom`s

child, his ex-wife. And I can tell you, here`s what went down. When this punch was thrown, her name was thrown around by both guys several times.

And the background story here Jane is that when -- about two years ago, there was a thing happening in New York with Victoria`s Secret, a show that

Justin Bieber performed at and Miranda Kerr, still married to Orlando Bloom, allegedly had some kind of an interaction with Justin after the

show. Now, that is the allegation.

I can tell you fact that these two just brawled -- Orlando threw a punch. I`ve seen the video. We had it on TMZ.com where he throws a punch

and misses. And Justin immediately put up a photograph of Miranda Kerr on his Instagram then deleted it and just a few minutes ago, he also put up a

photo of Orlando Bloom crying like this on his Instagram.

Justin is being very clear that it`s over Miranda Kerr and the allegation that he might have done something sexually or something -- an

affair-type thing with, you know, with Miranda. So that is what`s behind this. I think it`s obvious these two do not like each other. And that`s

the issue.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, of course, Orlando Bloom was married to supermodel Miranda Kerr. So it`s not just hooking up with my GF, it`s the

accusation that he was maybe making the moves on Orlando`s wife. I know they separated last fall. But still.

WALTERS: Right. Well, Jane I can also tell you, I`ve heard stories from both sides -- Bieber`s people and Bloom`s people -- they tell a very

different story. Bieber`s people say, he walked in, tried to shake his hand and Orlando was rude and then the punch came. The other side says,

Bieber said something along the lines of, "I had fun with your wife, how does that feel?" And Orlando reacted with a punch.

But usually it`s somewhere in the middle with stories like this, Jane. I can tell you, there is video of the actual punch and you do see Orlando

throwing it at Bieber. And Bieber`s reaction, as clear as day, it`s about Miranda Kerr, Orlando`s ex-wife.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look, we know Orlando hasn`t been in trouble. He`s not one of these troubled stars. We know Justin Bieber has been in a

lot of trouble. And by the way, Miranda Kerr vehemently, and I mean vehemently, has denied she ever did the hanky-panky with Justin Bieber. We

want to make that absolutely clear.

Now, Justin apparently met Miranda as you mentioned -- and great seeing you, absolutely, Mike Walters, always a pleasure to see you --

Justin met Miranda at a Victoria`s Secret fashion show two years ago. Check out his performance from CBS.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now critics call the Biebster a global train wreck who is creating trouble wherever he goes. In Los Angeles, he was accused

of egging his neighbor`s house. And those charges seemed to have gone away. He was arrested in Miami, accused of DUI. In Toronto, he faced

assault for allegedly hitting a limo driver -- one of his people did. He`s all over the map for all the wrong reasons.

I want to go out to Dana Ward, host of ClevverTV. Now it`s Ibiza, Spain -- a party hot spot. And you know, there he is with all sorts of

well-known people like reportedly Lindsay Lohan is there and Paris Hilton is there. Next thing you know, he`s getting into a problem with Orlando

Bloom.

DANA WARD, HOST OF CLEVVERTV: I was actually most surprised to hear that Lindsay Lohan was there and she wasn`t the one getting in trouble.

But this time, it`s Justin Bieber. I mean he made a bad decision. I`ve been talking about this guy since day one before he went mainstream. This

is very disappointing to hear.

Whether it was a handshake that he was trying to get from Orlando or whether he really took a dig at Orlando saying some stuff about Miranda, it

was his choice. He provoked the situation. He should not have gone up to Bloom at all. He should have steered clear of the situation. But he

didn`t.

And it`s really unfortunate that he`s also been taking to Instagram to post his responses and how he feels about this situation. He`s making this

a bigger media situation than it should be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ll tell you Facebook has so much to say. For example, Gene, "If Orlando punched the Biebs, the Biebs most likely

deserves it." Linda says, "Bieber is immature and doesn`t realize how much he has going for him. He`s going to end up in big trouble if he doesn`t

straighten out."

Holland Reid, entertainment journalist, I mean hypothetically, it was Orlando who went this way. We don`t know that for sure. But that`s what

it appears to be. But it`s a swing and a miss. You can`t be prosecuted for doing this and not making contact with somebody`s chin. But who`s

really at fault here?

HOLLAND REID, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: You know what -- we don`t know who`s at fault. Obviously there was something that provoked Orlando

Bloom who`s usually a pretty cool cucumber that made him step out of his character to want to physically assault Justin Bieber. And allegedly it

was throwing his wife and whatever she did behind closed doors in his face to do so. And that was enough to get Orlando out of his zone. So

definitely can`t prosecute him. But definitely can`t blame him if that was the case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Bloom is best known for his leading role in "Pirates of the Caribbean". And we all remember that one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BLOOM: You cheated.

JOHNNY DEPP, ACTOR: Pirate.

Move away.

BLOOM: No.

DEPP: Please move?

BLOOM: No. I cannot just step aside and let you escape.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: TMZ reports Bloom was cruising around on Ibiza on a yacht with a bunch of beautiful women before this altercation. Actually I

saw the photos. He`s having a good time. He`s fist-pumping and he`s singing some song at the top of his lungs. He looks like he`s having a

good time. There`s no law against that.

But this fisticuff that never happened because it was a swing and a miss was allegedly about his ex-wife, Miranda. So Dr. Robi Ludwig,

psychotherapist, is it safe to say that even though he`s surrounded by beautiful women, he hasn`t moved on from the supermodel that Bieber was

taunting him about?

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: No, I mean I think -- you mean Orlando Bloom?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

LUDWIG: It sounds like he has a lot of unresolved feelings and he`s feeling territorial towards his ex-wife. Maybe this was the love of his

life. They do share a child together so that is a special kind of connection.

And it sounds like Justin Bieber knew what he was doing. He was being a provocative bad boy and somehow liked the idea of making Orlando

Bloom feel bad. It just sounds like Justin Bieber`s on a tear and he`s enjoying all this attention even though it`s negative attention.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, he creates a storm wherever he goes. He ends up on an island off the coast of Spain and still we`re talking about him.

What about all his legal troubles at home? We`re going to cover that on the other side. Is this guy on a downward spiral?

Stay right there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have to show you this wild video. A freight train headed straight for two women. They can`t outrun it. One slips and falls

as the train closes in at the very last second. They just lie flat on the tracks and, guess what? They narrowly escape death.

The engineer actually assumed they had been killed. He called the cops to report it but the two women survived being run over by the train.

They got into a car and drove off. Police are still looking for them.

We`ll have more of another troublemaker, Justin Bieber, on the other side.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A new controversy surrounding Justin Bieber. There he is, though, after leaving jail in Miami not too long ago pulling what

you might call a Michael Jackson -- getting out of the top of his SUV and waving to the crowd. He was in trouble in Miami. He`s been in trouble,

accused of throwing eggs in Los Angeles at his neighbor. He was in trouble in Canada.

And now the latest explosion of controversy, he got into some kind of controversy with Orlando Bloom, a movie star who has never been known

for being in trouble. The two of them were at a nightclub in the Spanish hot spot of Ibiza, an island off the coast.

Let`s go to Elizabeth Espinosa, CNN Espanol anchor, bring us up to date on the legal woes of Justin Bieber, you know, a 20-year-old who seems

to be in a downward spiral.

ELIZABETH ESPINOSA, CNN ESPANOL ANCHOR: You`re not kidding. This guy doesn`t seem to get it. Man, if I could sing just a little bit -- I don`t

think he has a great voice but the kid is worth $200 million. And we forget he`s 20 years old. And he`s sure acting the part. Because again,

he was busted, the neighbor says, I completely know it was him, 100 percent.

So he pled no contest for egging his neighbor`s home in Calabasas. If you know the area, it`s a gated community, upscale -- I mean lots of money

there. Had to move out because he got busted for that and as a result has to complete an anger management program and also has to pay over $80,000 in

restitution to the victim. But --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s chump change for him.

ESPINOSA: Yes, exactly. He`s got $200 million and he`s 20 years old. Now, my understanding, Elizabeth, is that everywhere he goes he creates

such a calamity with the neighbors that he`s had to move again. He moved away from Calabasas where he had the alleged egg incident. Then he goes to

another area and he gets in trouble with those neighbors -- parties, police coming. And now he`s moving again?

ESPINOSA: Oh, yes. Well, that`s the buzz right now. Because guess what -- the neighbors are up in arms, as you said Jane. And you know L.A.

very well. So he has bought this upscale, of course, condo, if you will, but it`s really like a huge suite. Like 2,000 square feet, the top floor

of this beautiful massive building in Beverly Hills where all the stars live, lots of money off of (inaudible). And he`s throwing parties. And

these random kids are showing up at all hours and neighbors are pissed.

They`re like, enough already. There`s trash the next morning outside. Like, who does this kid think he is? So let me tell you, my Twitter

account has been blowing up since January when the Calabasas incident broke. People are saying, deport him already. Send him back to Canada.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. He`s a Canadian, exactly.

Let me talk about this latest controversy with Orlando Bloom. Once again, I want to see the shot of the four women involved because we`ve

talked about Orlando purportedly taking a swing at Justin and missing. And because there were claims by Justin -- or claims that Justin was trying to

hook up with his former wife, Miranda Kerr.

But there`s also another woman. These two Hollywood hot shots are allegedly feuding over Bieber`s on-and-off-again girlfriend Selena Gomez.

Orlando Bloom was spotted with the 22-year-old "Come and Get It" singer, Gomez just a few months ago.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, Dana Ward, host of ClevverTV, bad pun, but is this tit for tat?

WARD: Oh, gosh. I mean that`s the thing with all of these Hollywood relationships. You never know what actually happens. It is all hearsay.

But this all went down back in April 2014. Gomez and Orlando were spotted out and about together with a group. They went to dinner. There are

photos to prove it. And then paparazzi spotted the two of them hanging solo out on the curb, on the sidewalk outside after a Chelsea Handler

stand-up show.

Now, paparazzi were there waiting. They took the pictures. But it looks like absolutely nothing was going down with them. They actually had

just met one month prior at a charity event. They had the same management team. I really, really don`t think anything went down with Orlando and

Selena. But, again, it`s all hearsay. We don`t know. Only the two of them know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say this, on the other side of the break, what we`re going to talk about is everybody else who was at this

party in Ibiza. And I`m going to ask my experts, what the heck. Do these folks all get on a jet and travel from one tiny little place to another?

What`s the likelihood of Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton and Orlando Bloom and Justin Bieber all just stumbling into the same nightclub on an island

off the coast of Spain at once? But that`s what happened.

Stay right there. And I`ve got your Facebook, it`s blowing up.

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BLOOM: We love each other. We`re a family. We`re going to be in each other`s lives for the rest of our lives. There`s no question that for

the sake of our son and everything else, we`re going to support one another and love each other as parents to Flynn. And, you know, we`re adults -- I

mean I`m 36 now, she`s 30. And we`re professionals. We love and care about each other.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But despite all those kind words, things since broken up. They`ve split last fall. It happens. It happens to the best of us.

It`s interesting, because Facebook is really lighting up on this. And some people blame Justin. Some people blame Orlando for this feud they

had on the island of Ibiza. Christine says, "Justin has this on himself. He shouldn`t have provoked Orlando." But Tawanda says "Orlando threw the

punch, not Bieber. So why is he getting all the blame?" Sandy, "You`re blaming Bieber for Orlando attempting to assault him? It`s ridiculous to

blame the victim."

I`ve got to ask Dr. Robi Ludwig. Orlando Bloom has a great reputation. He`s not a troubled star. Why did he allow himself to get

sucked into this to the point where he`s doing this swing and a miss at Justin Bieber, a notoriously troubled star?

LUDWIG: Listen, we weren`t there. But everybody has their Achilles` heel. So certainly Orlando Bloom needs to take responsibility for

responding in a semi-violent way. But it just sounds more in sync with Justin`s personality that he`s a provocateur. He loves starting trouble.

He loves being a troublemaker.

And so we have to consider Justin Bieber`s character when looking at the situation. And we`re very inclined to look at Justin as being in the

wrong because he tends to be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

LUDWIG: And that`s not how Orlando presents himself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No. I mean, he`s dashing, and usually he`s like a model of proper behavior. But you know what, some people do bring the

worst in other people out. That is true.

LUDWIG: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, the "New York Post" says the nightclub was hopping. This nightclub, you know, in Ibiza which is an island off the

coast of Spain hopping with celebrities. Not just Bieber and Bloom. Lindsay Lohan was there. P. Diddy was there, Paris Hilton -- all

reportedly there. I don`t know because I wasn`t there. But that`s what they`re saying this.

Now this went down again in this very glamorous island off the coast of Spain that is infamous as a party island. Here`s some video of it.

It`s been for decades the party island. And stars have a tendency, Holland Reid, entertainment journalist, to move across the globe in these packs,

going from one hot sport whether it`s Saint Bart`s, Ibiza. Why do you think they feel the need to travel in these close packs?

REID: Well, I mean you`re with -- I guess the old saying of birds of feather flock together. You`re with people that you trust. You`re not

going to be gossiping about each other because you don`t want each other`s business in the news. So you go far away to a place that`s not, you know,

the paparazzi`s a little bit nicer, the people don`t bother you. You can get away.

It`s historic in Hollywood. Elizabeth Taylor went there. It`s a place for celebrities to stick together, get away and do what celebrities

do best and that`s be fabulous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, what do you think is the next move for Justin Bieber? Is this Justin being an average 20-year-old or is he in

a downward spiral that could end tragically? Stay right there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Justin Bieber is in trouble. I mean it just doesn`t end. And I just want to read to you what happened over this

past winter that we covered. He was accused of assaulting a limo driver in Toronto. Then he had a DUI, alleged, in Miami Beach. And the lab tests

showed, according to CNN, he had drugs in his system, including marijuana and Xanax.

You got to wonder, Dana Ward, if the bottom line is that he needs to clean up. I don`t know. I`m not out partying with him.

WARD: Neither am I, I got to add in. Here`s the thing. I spoke with Scooter Brawn who is Justin`s manager at the "Never Say Never" premiere or

"Believe" premiere late last year. He confirmed to me that Justin would be taking a year off from --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are out of time.

Nancy next.

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