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Jodi Arias to Hire Attorney for Penalty Phase; Love Triangle Turns Deadly?; Cop Charged with Sexually Assaulting Eight Women is Out on Bail; Naked TV

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... we`d still be back in the dark ages of investigating crime.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Breaking news tonight, and it is the motion I`m holding in my hands. Convicted murderer Jodi Arias is at it again. She

has just fired herself. That`s right: she wants to go back to having a real attorney represent her in the crucial penalty phase retrial to decide

if she should live or die. Call it her own twisted take on a woman`s prerogative to change her mind.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

You are looking at Jodi`s hand-written note, a request to the judge, saying, "Hey, Judge, you know when I said I wanted to represent myself and

act as my own lawyer? Never mind. I`ve changed my mind again."

Is this stunt just a move designed to give herself, well, a chance to spend more weepy dramatic time on the witness stand? Remember this?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSE MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Ma`am, were you crying when you were shooting him?

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED MURDERER: I don`t remember.

MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

MARTINEZ: How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

MARTINEZ: So take a look then. And you were the one that did this, right?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi was convicted last year of brutally murdering her lover, Travis Alexander, in 2008. Jodi stabbed him repeatedly and slit his

throat ear to ear, nearly decapitating him. And then for good measure shot him in the head.

The jury who convicted her couldn`t agree on whether she should face life in prison or death by lethal injection. So a new trial on the penalty

phase. Now, this retrial has been delayed over and over.

I want to hear from you. What do you think of this latest stunt, going back on her demand that she be able to represent herself? Now she says,

"No, never mind." 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. And please join my conversation. Go to my Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook page, or you can talk

to me on Twitter, @jvm.

Our expert Lion`s Den panel standing by, ready to debate this. But first out to Nancy Grace producer Alexis Weed.

You got your hands on this motion. What have you learned about this latest stunt and its implications for the penalty phase coming up?

ALEXIS WEED, HLN PRODUCER: Yes. How about it, Jane? Jodi Arias saying in her motion that she filed just today through her attorney, saying, "I

hereby move to relinquish my pro se status and request my Sixth Amendment right to counsel."

So a month ago, she was saying she wanted to represent herself, and here we are today, where she`s saying, "Nope, I want to relinquish that. I want my

lawyers back."

So is this a stunt for another delay? Is it her attempt to get Nurmi off this trial once and for all? Who knows? We won`t find out until Monday

when the next hearing takes place.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s right. Areva Martin, attorney, there`s going to be a big hearing. It`s supposed to be like the last hearing before September

29 when potential jurors come in. And we were all thinking about this surreal concept of Jodi interviewing jurors, and saying, "Hey, do you

recognize my face? Did you hear the sex tape that I recorded with Travis Alexander?" And we thought, well, that`s crazy.

But now she`s said, "Never mind. I don`t want to represent myself anymore."

Is this a delay tactic? Is it just that it`s becoming real for her and she`s getting nervous because she got her GED behind bars and probably

doesn`t know -- we know she doesn`t know the terminology needed to represent herself?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: You know, Jane, this lady just loves attention. She loves the cameras. She loves, you know, dropping bombs on everyone.

So we can`t help but think that this is another one of those situations.

However, though, this judge has made it very clear that there will be no more delays. Now, typically, in a case like this, you know, there`s a

request for new counsel to come into a case, particularly a case of this size. That attorney, if it`s not the folks that have been representing

her, are going to need a lot of time to get up to speed.

But this judge has said no more delays. So it`ll be interesting to see if new counsel is selected and if that counsel tries to get some additional

time to delay this penalty phase of Jodi`s trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look, she`s said no delays, but she`s delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed. And of course, she`s done that, because it`s a

death penalty trial and she doesn`t want to make any mistakes that will allow that one in the sunglasses to file an appeal.

Danny Cevallos, come Monday when there`s going to be this final crucial hearing, and we all know now that Jodi is saying, "No, I don`t want to

represent myself anymore." Well, what do you predict she`s going to do on Monday? Ask for a delay? Ask to get a new attorney? What?

DANNY CEVALLOS, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Pro se defendants, Jane, are at once the bane and also the glory of the legal system. And in many cases, pro se

defendants don`t understand, necessarily, what`s going on, and they know they only have one tool, one weapon in their arsenal, and that sometimes is

just delay. It`s doing something: filing a motion, changing your mind.

And as much as it may frustrate us, let`s try to take a step back and remember we are talking about the death penalty and a constitutional right,

as irritating as it may be, for every defendant to represent themselves at court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Danny -- Danny, I love you. I love you, but here`s the thing.

CEVALLOS: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: First she represented herself once before for about a week back in 2011 or 2000 -- yes, 2011. Then she decided she was in over her

head and asked for her lawyers back. Then she got her lawyers back. And then she said, "OK, I want these lawyers."

Then the lawyers said, "I want off the case."

No, no, no, she`s got to have the lawyers.

She says, "No, I want to represent myself."

Now she finally got the chance to represent herself, and after a few weeks, she`s saying, "NO, I don`t want to represent myself anymore."

I mean, this is madness, and I`ve got to bring in a psychiatrist, Dion Metzger. I mean, this is -- she is crazy, not legally, because she knows

right from wrong.

DION METZGER, PSYCHIATRIST: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But this is part of her craziness that makes her impossible, that makes her infuriating and that makes herself somewhat

fascinating.

METZGER: I mean, it`s very fascinating. And part of me wondered if she`s wondering if she`s going to get too emotional when she`s trying to

represent herself. Because look how much she was crying on the stand. She may be wondering...

(CROSSTALK)

METZGER: We`re not positive, but OK, she may be wondering, "OK, maybe my emotions might interfere with my ability to defend myself."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or maybe she figures "It`s going to be a little harder for me to fake crying on the witness stand if I`m also asking myself the

question. Maybe I should go back to being the witness so I can just sit there and sob, even though no actual tears come out. Because if I`m asking

the questions, that`s going to make me too serious and objective. I need to be able to show emotion."

What do you think of that analysis, Rachel D`Alto, relationship expert?

RACHEL D`ALTO, RELATIONSHIP EXPERT: I think that`s actually the most logical way to explain it. And this is the most logical decision that

she`s made during this trial.

So obviously, she`s -- she`s very emotional and has a lot of issues regarding her defense and the facts that surround this case. So for her to

be able to defend herself and do it during the penalty phase, I just don`t know see how that was ever a possibility. So whether she`s doing it for

attention or whether she finally came to her senses, in a miniscule way, in this case, then that`s what I see here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It was painfully clear for a long time.

MARTIN: You know, Jane...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

MARTIN: Jane, we can`t underestimate the gravity of this situation. You pointed out, this woman has a GED that she got in jail. She didn`t go to

college; she doesn`t have a law degree. A penalty phase of a death penalty case is the most significant and probably the most difficult, you know,

legal proceeding that`s going to take place in a courthouse. This woman was not prepared to handle that kind of case. And hopefully, she came to

her senses and realized that it`s her life at stake. This is not a game. This is not, you know, a reality television show. This is real life. So

hopefully...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to get -- I`ve got to get to this. It`s been very well known that Jodi Arias and one of her attorneys, her lead

attorney, Kirk Nurmi, really despise each other. Remember this?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KIRK NURMI, DEFENSE LAWYER: It`s not even about whether or not you like Jodi Arias. Nine times out of ten, I don`t like Jodi Arias.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Danny Cevallos, if now we go back to that attorney, who has asked off the case repeatedly and been denied, who has said in open

court he doesn`t like his own client, if he loses the case and she gets sentenced to death, isn`t that a natural for her to appeal?

CEVALLOS: Well, she`s going to appeal no matter what happens.

But that statement that Nurmi made in closing, I`ve heard a lot of defense attorneys say that it sort of rationalizes their argument to the jurors to

say, "Hey, if you don`t like her, I don`t like her either."

But yes, when you have a defendant like Jodi Arias, they often get into fights with their attorney. Why? Because it`s the only person they can

fight with, especially when they`re court-appointed. They feel like that court-appointed attorney is just another member of the government trying to

take them down. And they can been incredibly frustrating to deal with.

Remember, imagine yourself incarcerated...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s the thing. He doesn`t like her. He`s been in this nightmare. He`s a victim of Jodi Arias. He`s been trapped in this

nightmare of a case since 2008 or thereabouts. He`s been her attorney for years; doesn`t want to be her attorney. Why -- why would he go out and do

an absolutely ferocious job defending her when he can`t stand her?

CEVALLOS: I can answer that. I...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Quickly.

MARTIN: Jodi -- Jane, he`s a professional. That`s what he gets paid to do.

CEVALLOS: I can answer that, Jane. As lawyers who take court appointments -- as lawyers who take court appointments, we are duty bound to zealously

represent our client, even when it`s a client that we can`t stand. And if you don`t think that happens a lot, talk to any defense attorney.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Debbie, New York, what you got to say? Debbie, New York.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: My comment is that we have to change the Constitution. Because people who do not have law degrees shouldn`t be getting up and wasting

everyone`s time. That`s No. 1.

No. 2, someone whispered in her ear and said, "Are you crazy? You can`t do this." She didn`t make this up on her own. She`s too smart for that.

She`s smart as -- she`s as dumb as her socks.

And thirdly, I agree. Her attorney just didn`t want to be as hated like his client was, so he had to make that comment. In the public opinion, he

wants to be liked. And he wouldn`t be liked aligning himself with the likes of her.

And she`s going not to get the death penalty.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s interesting, because all she needs is one person. Twitter saying, Dee (ph) says, "Jodi knows this will be her last

public appearance. She`s playing it for all its worth."

Tracy (ph) says, "It`s all attention seeking behavior. Nothing more. She`s disgusting."

Jodi`s defense, of course, at her trial where she was convicted focused on demonizing the man that she slaughtered, Travis Alexander. She tried to

paint him as a pedophile, an abuser, a sexual deviant.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: When he spun me around, he bent me over the bed. He lifted up my skirt, and he pulled down my underwear. He unzipped his pants. He began

to have anal sex with me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Alexis Weed, "NANCY GRACE" producer, you were in the courtroom. We sat next to each other watching that obscenity. Juan

Martinez very successfully argued she`s a pathological liar. But do you get the sense that she`s going to try to throw Travis under the bus again

and basically, it`s going to be the same old "Jodi the victim" song and dance during this retrial?

WEED: Absolutely. She took every opportunity she had during the first part of the trial to throw him under the bus. So I don`t see why she would

not keep on going. That was her mantra during that whole time when we sat there. You remember.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. We -- I mean, it was cringe-worthy.

But Prosecutor Martinez did a great job. This man is the victim. And she better not try to put him on trial. She better not take the stand and sob

and call him every name in the book and lie because, you know what? She`s been exposed as the pathological liar that she is.

And I outline it in my "New York Times" best seller, "Exposed: The Secret Life of Jodi Arias." And that book is now out in paperback. And I`ve got

to tell you, it`s a very good way, perfect way to get up to date on the case before the death penalty phase starts up in a couple of weeks. I

reveal secrets in this book, "Exposed," that never came out at trial. And it`s available everywhere, so I hope you check it out.

Up next, she was having a very steamy affair with her good friend`s husband, and now she`s dead. What happened in this love triangle that led

cops to discover the victim of murder?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The apparent motive of the murder of Kelly Brennan: jealousy. Police say Trott killed Brennan at the house where she was

staying, hid her body at Mark`s Landing, then called her mother to confess.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The body of 46-year-old Kelly Brennan was discovered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spending the last five years together, forget it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You loved her even after you found out she was cheating on you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 911 call placed the focus of the investigation on a former friend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there`s been a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. And where is the person that is the victim?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news as a Florida love triangle scandal turns deadly. This woman, Sheila Graham-Trott, is on trial for murder

after cops say she beat her former good friend to death with a hammer. A hammer, in the head, because that friend was having an affair with her

husband.

Investigators say it all started when Sheila and her husband, former Florida mayor Dan Trott, separated after 20 years of marriage. Then the

husband began an affair with his estranged wife`s good friend, Kelly Brennan. Guess what? Kelly was also married.

A few months after this couple began sleeping together, cops say Kelly didn`t show up for a gym date with her new boyfriend, Daniel.

In a sickening twist, cops say Daniel`s estranged wife, Sheila, told her sons she had a dream that Kelly was hurt and then proceeded to take her

teenage sons to the crime scene and showed them where she dumped Kelly`s mutilated body, still wearing Spandex gym clothes.

Sheila`s own mother turned her into the cops, saying her daughter confessed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s the problem there, please?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there`s been a murder. I`m here (UNINTELLIGIBLE) having a nervous breakdown, and she is saying she`s killed

someone. She`s right here in bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s in bed, and she`s telling you she killed someone?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She didn`t tell you who she`s saying she killed?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s saying -- I don`t know. Kelly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Andrew Ford, reporter, "Florida Today," tell us about the weird vision or dream that this woman, the defendant, Sheila, had where she

wakes up her teenage sons and tells her teenage sons, "Oh, I`m dreaming that my friend is hurt and I know where she`s hurt." Tell us about that.

ANDREW FORD, REPORTER, "FLORIDA TODAY" (via phone): That`s actually very interesting. That was sort of in the middle of the night after she --

after she had reported a seizure, into the hospital and been treated by paramedics, this sort of thing.

She wakes up and says that she`s had a dream that her friend has been hurt. She`s adamant about this. Then she, her two sons and one of her son`s

girlfriends drive off. They go down the beach and eventually come upon the shadow of a body. Then they go back home, and sometime later one of the

sons calls their grandmother. That was in that 911 call you heard there. And ultimately, the grandmother calls police.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Rachel D`Alto, relationship expert, this poor woman, beautiful young lady, beautiful woman, beaten to death with a hammer, OK?

And there`s no excuse for that.

And yet is there any -- any sympathy for this defendant, because the woman was her friend and was having an affair with her husband, albeit that the

husband had already separated?

D`ALTO: Yes. Obviously, there is little to no sympathy could ever be garnered for this woman for what she did to her friend.

But there is an ultimate betrayal there. There`s a loyalty. There`s a love, and there`s a friendship. And I think it`s really interesting to

note that none of these parties had actually divorced. No one was divorced. No one probably processed those emotions or dealt with the --

the detachment of those relationships.

And obviously, that causes a lot of increased emotions, intentions, and the intensity of the emotion is just a lot different than, say, if she was

dating someone after they was divorced. And even that case, being a friend of somebody, it`s still going to be an issue, but it might not have been as

big of an issue. Unfortunately, we`re not dealing with a situation where that happens.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not blaming the victim. The victim had no right to die, but it is a cautionary tale about the dangers of dating in that kind

of circle that could become toxic very, very easily. Your friend is getting separated from her husband, and you start dating her husband. Wow.

Now the defense is trying to show that there are other people who had a motive to kill this woman, Kelly, who by the way, was a registered nurse.

Exhibit A, the victim`s husband. Listen to this from "Good Morning America."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You loved her even after you found out she was cheating on you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now Danny Cevallos, CNN legal analyst, Kelly and her husband -- that`s the victim, the woman whose head was bashed in,

and her husband, were going through their own divorce after seven years of marriage. He says he had nothing to do with the murder. And guess what?

He`s got an alibi, surveillance video of him at a drugstore at the time of the murder.

But the defense insists on grilling him, because he allegedly had a physical fight. And they say he slammed Kelly against the wall and put her

hands -- his hands around her neck. He said, "No, we were just wrestling."

Could the jury possibly think, "Well, maybe, I`ve got to acquit this woman because she was also fighting with her husband:?

CEVALLOS: It`s textbook defense. Point to other people who had a motive and a reason to do this. Maybe they involved a third party. And then hope

that builds some reasonable doubt.

But I have to say that the evidence of her magical powers, her "I see dead people" magic dreams in the night, are not very good for her defense.

There`s just too much of a coincidence. And until we prove that people have super powers, you probably should keep them under wraps, because no

one is going to believe you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. Heidi on Facebook says, "If her husband did it, how did this woman know where the body was?" Excellent question.

We`re just getting started. Some other really scandalous stuff on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They didn`t ask their mother whether she was the killer, but their mother kept saying she might have hurt Kelly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Told her that we didn`t want have anything to do with it, that me and Graham were going to go to sleep and that she had to deal

with it on her own.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m in the hospital right now. We took her to the hospital last night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you talking about Sheila?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes. We took her to the hospital last night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s right here in bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s in bed, and she`s telling you that she killed someone?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Just -- I`m going to keep you on the phone with me. I`m going to go ahead and have an officer on the way. Is she -- what

is her mental state right now? I mean, is she distraught? Is she angry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sheila and the victim, Kelly, were friends. They were good friends before Kelly and Dan started dating. The defense has painted

Kelly as the aggressor in the sexual relationship. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Brennan started coming onto you, is that right?

DANIEL TROTTER, HUSBAND, MURDER SUSPECT: In a manner of speaking, I suppose.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was the aggressor, is that true?

TROTTER: In a manner of speaking, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Not blaming the victim here, but we want to understand. OK. There`s the couple that separated after 20 years of marriage, two

children, two sons. And then you have this woman in the middle who is good friends with the estranged wife, and she ends up dating the husband after

her friends separate.

Dion Metzger, psychiatrist, why do people cheat with close friends of their spouse?

METZGER: Well, there`s a few reasons. First, it`s convenience. It`s somebody who`s familiar. Somebody that they may have common interests in.

They may be why they`re already friends. And it`s just convenient and just basically, it`s somebody who`s right there and who they know. And they may

already have that attraction.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do they understand that it`s going to increase the rage factor, do you think? Do people realize they`re getting into a danger

zone, that they`re getting into a very toxic situation?

METZGER: I think they may consider it, but that might not be the priority. They may just be thinking about the attraction and just kind of following

their heart.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s interesting. Danny, instead of going for the "somebody else might have done it" when she says to her own sons, "I had a

dream that my friend was hurt and I know exactly where her body is," essentially, wouldn`t it make more sense to paint a sympathetic portrait of

a woman who was having a nervous breakdown, go for the insanity defense and say, you know, this betrayal by her husband and her friend pushed her into

a state of insanity?

CEVALLOS: Here`s how insanity works. I mean it may have turned into a state of anger but insanity means you don`t know what you`re doing is

wrong. And when you take steps to avoid capture, to hide a body, to avoid reporting something to the police, then you`re aware -- not necessarily

that you think what you did was wrong -- but that society knows what you did was wrong. And that will almost always preclude an insanity defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But Danny, you`re proving my point. She didn`t hide the body. She told her sons where it was claiming she had a vision. She led

her sons to the body. I don`t think that`s a cover-up. I think that`s somebody who could argue, "I`m cuckoo for cocoa puff. I didn`t know what I

was doing. I was in a fog." Who does that remind me of? Ok?

And I had a hammer --

CEVALLOS: But it`s a risk.

VELEZ-MITCHELL:: But isn`t it a risk asking people to be -- the jurors to assume that somebody else did it when she is the one who led them to the

body, saying it was a dream? I mean, it`s crazy to think that she`s going to get off on that, in my opinion.

All right. We`re going to keep watching it.

CEVALLOS: It`s a huge risk but when you --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to keep watching it. Sorry, Danny. We have another one we want to ask you about. An Oklahoma cop. This is such a

wild story.

An Oklahoma cop accused of sexually assaulting eight women. He`s out on jail tonight and he`s still getting paid as a police officer. Did he

really tell an alleged victim she had to play by his rules? We`re going to get to the naked truth next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Oklahoma City police officer is facing 16 charges including rape, stalking, forcible oral sodomy, sexual battery, and more.

In court Wednesday, prosecutors say he used his authority to prey on women.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight`s "Naked Truth", first they refused to prosecute Ray Rice and if that made you mad, critics say this is even more

outrageous. This Oklahoma City police officer is charged with sexually charging at least eight African-American women, accused of acting as a

predator while out patrolling the streets on duty.

But tonight Officer Daniel Holtzclaw is out of jail. He`s living at his dad`s house after his bail was cut from $5 million to just $500,000. Cops

started investigating Officer Holtzclaw back in May. One of the alleged victims told cops this officer approached her while she was walking down

the street. She says he placed her in his squad car then told her to perform oral sex on him.

A month later cops got a similar report from a woman who`s claiming an officer forced her to perform oral sex on him during a routine traffic

stop. Police then identified woman number three who said she was sexually assaulted by Officer Holtzclaw twice. She claims the cop harassed her and

advised her to quote, "play by his rules". She claims the cop told her to expose her breasts and touch them with his hands. A fourth woman says she

was walking down the street. The cop stopped her and allegedly forced her in a patrol car, drove her to school and allegedly raped her.

Despite all of these allegations, ok, the cops insist -- well, he insists he is totally innocent. Listen to his attorney.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His bond`s out. He will have obtained it. He is staying at his dad`s house, obviously. It`s ordered by the court. He can

come down here to visit with me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hello? Should he be visiting with anybody? Shouldn`t his attorney visit this guy behind bars? We reached out to his attorney, he

wouldn`t comment. He`s invited on our show anytime. The Oklahoma City Police Department told us they will not comment either.

Straight out to our fired-up "Naked Truth" panel. Areva Martin, all of the alleged victims are African-American women. The Oklahoma NAACP says they

believe these are hate crimes. Do you agree?

MARTIN: Absolutely, Jane. I can`t help but wonder, is this open season on African-American women? We saw Ray Rice get a smack on the hands by the

prosecutor, serve no jail time for that assault that we all watched on that graphic videotape. Now this guy is accused of assaulting sexually eight

different women, women who have no ties to each other, women who`ve all come forth with very similar stories and that he can be at home at his

dad`s house with some kind of GPS device on is really sickening and concerning to women and it should be to women all over this country.

I don`t understand how the criminal justice system could allow this guy to set one foot out of jail given the serious nature of these

allegations.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Danny Cevallos, his dad is a police lieutenant. His dad is a police lieutenant.

CEVALLOS: That`s why I`m here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So he`s at dad`s house.

CEVALLOS: Right. Now listen, people need to understand bail. It`s not punishment. It`s designed to ensure two things. Number one, that you show

up at trial. And number two, that the community is safe. He`s not hanging out at a party. He`s on GPS. If you don`t know about GPS, you`re

monitored in real-time -- you can`t risk going out on your porch with violating. And if you violate, you will be in custody.

Now, as a defense attorney, do I think that police officers often get the benefit of the doubt when they themselves are defendants and they`re

applying for bail? There maybe something to that. But at the same time --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You think?

CEVALLAS: -- yes, he`s alleged to have committed something serious. Hold on. He`s alleged to have committed something serious, but is he a risk of

flight? And is he a danger to the community. And if the judge decides it within the guidelines that he`s eligible for GPS well, number one, he saved

the state a lot of money and the judge must have felt he`s not a risk of flight, not a danger.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s not a danger --

MARTIN: Jane -- can I address that issue?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

MARTIN: Can I address that issue? The prosecutors argued he was a danger to the community.

And in researching this case coming over her today Jane, I found hundreds of cases of people on house arrest with these GPS bands where they`re

manipulating them, taking them off and off on crime sprees committing everything from burglaries to murder while they are under so-called house

arrest. So I don`t think the community is safe at all. African-American women are not safe at all with what this judge has done in terms of letting

him out on bail.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes and let me say this.

CEVALLOS: I just want to be clear. I want to understand what you`re saying. I want to understand what she`s saying. You`re saying that

because other people in other case have cut off their GPS, this defendant is a danger to the community. I just want to make sure that I understand

your argument there. Is that it?

MARTIN: I`m saying that having someone under house arrest does not guarantee that this community is safe. When prosecutors argue that a

defendant is a risk to the community that it`s not safe to have him out on bail we have to ask why did the judge let him out? When there are eight

women that came forward with allegations against him -- serious allegations of rape and sodomy, and sexual assault. I can`t understand how come he`s

walking free and he`s not free, of course, but he`s at home.

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CEVALLOS: He`s in jail at home basically.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dion Metzger, when somebody has this many alleged victims, if he is actually doing these things, is this the type of person who might

be addicted to this behavior and is not able to tell himself, "Well, I`m under house arrest, I`ve got a GPS, I can`t do this?"

METZGER: Oh, absolutely. This is somebody who is capable of doing this again. I totally think that this is a person that is a danger to the

community. Especially it`s happened to eight women now and such aggressive behavior and abusing his power. It`s definitely something that we can see

happening again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, this is blowing up on social media. We`re going to go to Jackie Taurianen -- also known as YackyJackie -- our producer at the

hashtag hub. What are people saying?

JACKIE TAURIANEN, HLN PRODUCER: You know what, Jane? People are absolutely outraged about the story online. The biggest thing we`re saying

is people don`t understand how a cop could be accused of such things. Let`s take a look at a few of our viewer comments.

Leo says, "Excuse me, he was released before his gun and badge were confiscated? What planet am I on?" And you know, people are fired up when

the caps lock key comes on.

Dora says, "Well, the bond should have been set so high, he shouldn`t have got out."

Then we have Stefani who says, "What is wrong with our justice system? I guess he`s going to have to kill someone -- God forbid -- before his

behavior shows his a danger to society. Disgusting."

And our final viewer Hector actually reminds us there are two sides to every story. And while people are outraged, he says "I thought everyone

was innocent until proven guilty, right?" So a lot of outrage but a lot of flash points.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you YackyJackie.

Dion Metzger, psychiatrist, I want to talk about the class issue also, because according to one allegation, he located a crack pipe on a woman and

instead of arresting her he allegedly took her home, forced her to perform oral sex, raped her and then made the statement, "This is better than the

county."

Is there a sense perhaps in the judicial system that these women don`t count?

METZER: I don`t want to say that. But it does kind of seem like them as victims is not put as of a high priority. So not that they count but the

fact that he`s been released even though it`s on house arrest, from the victim`s stand point, it just doesn`t seem like that`s enough justice for

them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Liza, Indiana -- what do you have to say?

MARTIN: Jane -- I will say this --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, go ahead.

LIZA, INDIANA (via telephone): I have a good comment, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sure.

LIZA: This makes me literally sick. Because he`s a cop he gets out on bail. I know in my town dozens of people that`s have been on house arrest

and has taken their ankle bracelets off and have been walking the streets for days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. An ankle bracelet is not the same as a jail bar.

And back to you Areva Martin, I think there is a sense in society where it is not just a race issue. It`s a class issue. If a woman is --

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: Absolutely Jane --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- but let me tell you something. If a person can attack somebody with a crack pipe, first of all, that is a crime if indeed it

happened. Secondly, they can go down and attack a law-abiding citizen, a woman walking a baby carriage?

MARTIN: Absolutely, Jane. I don`t think we see this outcome if these women were professionals, if they were doctors, if they were lawyers, if

they were judges. So I am willing to go on the record and say that in our criminal justice system women of lower socioeconomic class are treated

differently, their lives are not valued and I think the judge`s decision today validates that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, thank you. We`re going to stay on top of this. We`re not letting it go. And his attorney is invited on anytime.

I`d love to ask him a few questions.

We`re going to go from the "Naked Truth" to another kind of naked. We`re talking about naked TV. It seems like everybody is taking it all off on

television. Is naked the new black?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a completely different type of dating, one that removes barriers and allows you to be your true self from day one.

This is "Dating Naked".

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you`re looking for true love, follow your heart.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m here for love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open your minds.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am willing to explore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And drop your pants.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t just look at my (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Usually it takes me three or four days to see my girl naked. It`s a (inaudible) concept.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Dating Naked".

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That clip is from VH1`s controversial new reality dating show "Dating Naked". Contestants date naked -- I`m not talking about the

third date -- right from the start.

They are not the only ones getting naked. Look at what Justin Bieber did during last night`s "Fashion Rocks" from CBS.

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JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGER: Is that better?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So much. Thank you, Justin.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: He does have a good body -- got to give him that. Earlier this week Miley Cyrus attended a fashion show topless -- just wearing

(inaudible). Here`s the look at her Instagram photo. The naked trend has really taken reality TV by storm. "Dating Naked" and then on the Discovery

Channel "Naked and Afraid", people surviving in the wild for three weeks naked.

Watch this from Discovery.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s funny to say I was always modest when you`re completely naked. But I still try to sit as modestly as possible with my

bag. But Luke was truly bald (ph) to the wall. He would lay down and he would get these sexy poses and he would be exposed.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh God, Kendra G. Hold on -- no way though. I`m not going to do that. What`s happening? What`s happening?

KENDRA G, ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: I know, Jane. You`re going to have to whoop out a boob soon it seems like, Jane. You`re going to have to put

your boob out there soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my gosh.

KENDRA G: You know what, listen, I`m not surprised because cable television, they`re trying to keep up with like the Internet. Because

anything goes on the Internet, anything goes on Netflix. So they are just trying to keep their ratings together. You know, I`m not a big fan of it

but at the same time just change the channel if you`re not into it.

But Jane, I would tune in every single night you stick that boob out, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ll think about it -- maybe in my next life. I like to see people naked when they are really, really good looking. Not when

they`re not. That`s my opinion. And one woman who agreed to go on a show called "Dating Naked" still did not expect her date to be so naked. Watch

this from VH1.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re so naked. You`re so naked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this weird? I don`t know. Should we shake hands? Hi, I`m Greg.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. Not ok. I`m going to die.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Adriana De Moura, star of Bravo`s "Real Housewives of Miami" I think people hypothetically think, yes, I could be naked and then

when it really happens, it`s freaky.

ADRIANA DE MOURA, REALITY STAR: Yes. Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You believe in nudity? Tell me why.

DE MOURA: I believe in nudity for a cause. When I posed nude for PETA, I did it for a cause, for PETA`s cause, you know, to save animals. And even

then, it was uncomfortable but I kept reminding myself you`re doing this for a cause.

And so I believe if there`s a reason behind it but just to take your clothes off and like go on a horse or in the sand with your privates

exposed, I think that`s not for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, "Dating Naked" has already --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- sparked a lawsuit. There`s one contestant who was upset she was shown a little too naked for her taste. Watch this. And

then I want to ask you ladies does she really have a suit. Check this out -- VH1.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was on the wrestling team. Not the football team.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems like she`s got a good personality, likes to joke around. Seems like she`s down for anything.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. When that clip initially aired on VH1 the shot was not blurred. Now that woman`s suing for $10 million citing extreme

emotional distress. She went on a show with the word "naked" in the title -- Kendra.

KENDRA G: Yes. Listen --

DE MOURA: That`s ridiculous, yes.

KENDRA G: I should -- you know what?

DE MOURA: You can`t (inaudible) not be naked and then you`re going to be upset because you`re naked. Either you`re naked or you`re not naked, you

know what I mean? There`s no way to --

KENDRA G: I feel like --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s put it this way. There`s naked and then there`s naked if you know what I mean.

KENDRA G: Yes. But Jane, I think she`s suing because she wasn`t well groomed. I should sue because she wasn`t groomed down there. It was a

frightening thing to see on television. I`m going to sue. Next time --

DE MOURA: Oh my God. She didn`t get waxed?

(CROSSTALK)

DE MOURA: You know you`ve got to get a Brazilian wax before you go on naked TV -- right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. How do these contestants really feel once they`re actually stuck in the buff? I stumbled on this show and I thought it was

fascinating. Discovery`s "Naked and Afraid". Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not really self-conscious. I don`t feel weird at all about being naked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The naked thing is freaking weird. Night one is going to be interesting. Having a sleepover -- it usually takes a couple of

dates, you know, to get to that point.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do worry that my partner will be distracted by being around a naked female.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopefully I`m attracted to the person I`m with. I don`t want to stare at someone I`m not attracted to for 21 days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m being very optimistic and hoping that he`ll be --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to say this, Adriana, I don`t know how to say this delicately. There`s naked and then there`s naked and excited and that`s

also a problem if you know what I mean. If you`re naked and afraid, maybe the next show is going to be naked and excited.

DE MOURA: That`s right. That`s right. You can`t top that off -- right. I mean if you`re already naked, women we don`t have a problem. We can hide

our reactions. Men, that`s a little different.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well ladies, I want to say thank you for joining us. Even though you were fully clothed as I am. I have no information about --

DE MOURA: Wait. I forgot to tell you I`m naked.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anybody who`s naked that we showed is invited on our show any time. We want to be fair. You`re naked? Too late. Too late -- next

time.

Nancy is next.

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