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FDNY: 8 Shot, 8 Others Injured at Subway Station in Brooklyn; Governor: Suspect Still At Large After NYC Subway Shooting; FDNY: 10 Shot, 5 In Critical Condition After Subway Shooting. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired April 12, 2022 - 12:00   ET

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JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody, and welcome to Inside Politics. I'm John King in Washington, thank you for sharing your day with us, a very sober news day. We begin; we can show a lot of pictures. In New York a bloody attack on a Brooklyn subway station.

We are waiting to hear any moment now -- any moment now to hear from New York City officials including the police commissioner, likely the fire commissioner as well. At least eight people were shot, another eight were injured. A smoke device exploding at the scene in that subway. And as of this moment, the suspect still at large.

We're getting some new disturbing images from this subway. What you're about to see is quite graphic, right in the rush hour, you see right there blood splashed across a train car floor. Another picture shows multiple victims, one person is seen putting pressure on a wound to his leg.

The incident happened here, the 36th Street Subway Station in the middle of the morning rush hour. The NYPD says information is there are no active explosive devices at that scene. Witnesses describe a loud and chaotic scene.

Too many shots to count they say. Police say the shooter was wearing a gas mask, and an orange construction vest. CNN's Shimon Prokupecz is right there live on the scene for us as we await to hear from these officials. Shimon, what do we know?

SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, terrifying morning, certainly, John, for folks riding the subway to work, to get home. This is the Sunset Park area of Brooklyn, and what we hear is that this morning according to officials there was this smoke bomb, some kind of a smoke device that the suspect set off on the train.

And then the gunfire started. And as you said, reports of 16 people injured, eight of them shot, we're told one of them seriously injured. I'm also told that some of the people who have been injured suffered smoke inhalation injuries. So this from this device that this person set off, that is why some of the people were taken to the hospital. And also, some people just fleeing from the scene, fleeing for their lives in this terrifying moment, they got injured as well.

The suspect, what we know according to police is that he was wearing a gas mask, and this orange reflective construction type vest. Obviously, indicated -- indicating that there was some kind of premeditation. And that is why we're seeing this response here from city officials, from the FBI, and the ATF, the Joint Terrorism Task Force on scene.

We don't yet know, John, the motive, whether this is terrorism, or something else here. Obviously, the fact that JTTF is on scene, that is significant. And as you said, hopefully, we'll get more details here from officials once they come to the mikes. We expect that press conference to start at any moment.

But obviously, one of the big things out here has been just this enormous response from the NYPD. When you think about the subway system here in New York City it is the lifeline of this city. And anytime there's any kind of attack, shooting, crime it always gets a lot of attention because it is the lifeline of the city.

So many people relying on it to get to home, to get to work, and that is why this is such a significant incident here in New York City and that is why we're waiting for the FBI and the NYPD as well as transit officials all to gather. We're just waiting for some more of those officials to get together so they can together hold this press conference.

They are still as far as we know looking for this suspect, and that is something that police, obviously, are still out there looking for this man. And so that is what we know at this point, and hopefully, shortly we will learn more here, John, from officials.

KING: Shimon, stand by with us as we continue the conversation. I want to bring in to join us to get their expertise the Former Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe, and the Former Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem.

And we're also told Governor Kathy Hochul will be at this press conference as well as the local -- the police, the fire, and the transit officials. Juliette, let me start with you, Shimon just teed it up, obviously, this is New York City, we live in the post-9/11 age. So the Joint Terrorism Task Force is there, the police department is there, the fire department's there.

When you're responding to a scene like this and you don't know what do you have to deploy to answer your questions?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, FORMER HOMELAND SECURITY ASSISTANT SECRETARY: You're going to go all-in at this stage, especially because it's New York and it's the subway system. Because you can't close the city for too long. It's weird to imagine but they're already thinking about how do we reopen because the city has to survive. So basically with subway security, it can't get much more secure, you cannot have a vibrant urban environment and (technical difficulty) check so whatever. So there's cameras, there's physical presence.

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Once this detonation happens, once a shooting happens and remember we are talking serious premeditation. He appears to have been dressed and there's also some sort of smoke bomb, we don't know exactly what it is. Your -- basically right now you want to save the lives you (technical difficulty) a second bomb. And then the (technical difficulty).

KING: We're having some issues with the connection to Juliette Kayyem. Let me as we fix that bring Andrew McCabe into the conversation. Andy, 8:30 this morning is when the fire department responded.

So we're talking three and a half hours later plus a few minutes. So between then and now in terms of the cameras in the area, interviewing eyewitnesses what are your questions as we wait to hear?

ANDREW MCCABE, FORMER FBI DEPUTY DIRECTOR: Well, John, we, you know, we had a big development in our understanding of the story when we heard from those witnesses who indicated that the shooting and the deployment of the smoke device actually took place on the subway car as it was traveling from 59th Street to 36th Street.

So that takes what we thought and from initial reports was a very localized scene at the -- on the platform of 36th Street, and turns it into something that happened, you know, that basically stretches your crime scene out across the entirety of the subway system almost in terms of looking for the perpetrator of this attack, right.

We -- investigators are now looking at likely video capture at every single subway stop along the N and the R line in which an individual matching this guys description could possibly be seen. That is a lot of very hard logistical work and video analysis. They're, of course, asking all those sorts of questions to the victims, and the witnesses who might have been on the train. They're trying to round up where those people are.

We understand that many of them were kind of hustled onto another R train and sped out of the area in the midst of the incident. So they've got a lot of work to do in terms of identifying and rounding up all those folks that could present them with leads that need following up.

KING: And in terms of bringing those resources to bear, Juliette Kayyem, you're back with us.

KAYYEM: Yes.

KING: You mentioned that -- you mentioned New York City, obviously, we have the 9/11 experience, we have other terrorism experiences.

KAYYEM: Right. KING: So you have both tabletop exercises done routinely to coordinate between the state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies. And unfortunately, in New York more than most other places you have real- life experience. How does that come together in the moment when the bell sounded this morning saying incident, subway station?

KAYYEM: It's -- actually, it's the Transit Police, it's well before the NYPD. There's so many different jurisdictions within New York. So it's going to be the Transit Police, and any presence that was there that should have made a call, this is my one question, should have made a call about shutting down all the subways in that area.

We don't know how the perpetrator left the subway system. That should have been shut down, that would have been train four, we -- the -- people should have known to do that. You want to keep the perpetrator -- you want to catch him. So that's going to be a big question is how did he get out. Was it chaos? Did he get on another train?

Or was he able to leave the station? All of them not great. And then you have the NYPD surging resources. NYPD is so strong, their emergency management team is so strong, and the fire department. It is unlikely they need many state resources. This looks like it's done, knock on wood, we don't -- we're not anticipating other attacks.

And so, that's basically -- it probably will stop at the New York area. There's a separate piece as Andrew was talking about, which is going to be the federal investigation (technical difficulty).

KING: Another issue there with the connection with Juliette Kayyem. Let's get back to Shimon Prokupecz who's right there on the scene for us. Shimon, you're listening to Juliette and Andy talk about their -- bringing their law enforcement expertise to bear. You are seeing with your own eyes, and I've been watching some of the video.

At different times different teams of investigators and you can see the different shirts so they're both local and federal going down into the station, searching the area. Tell us the latest of what you're seeing right there.

PROKUPECZ: So what makes this different, John, and why the JTTF would be involved is because of that device, right. Whether it was a smoke device, whether it was some kind of more sinister device that was meant to go off and that didn't. All indications are obviously, that this was a smoke device.

But when you think about the location given that it's the subway, the train here in New York City, which has been a terrorism target, and it's one of these things that's, obviously, what officials are always concerned about, attacks in the subway.

So that's why you're seeing this kind of response as well because of what was used, that smoke device, and given the number of people shot. So you know, normally when you have shootings, and sadly there's been so many shootings here in the subways and attacks in the subway.

You won't see the FBI respond, obviously because it's an NYPD issue. But given this device that was used, and we need more clarity on exactly what was used.

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I've heard from officials describe it in different ways, so what we really need to hear on the record from law enforcement as to what exactly it was. The way this attack unfolded it's very concerning for officials because it would almost indicate some level of planning. The fact that this suspect had a gas mask, the fact that he had this orange vest, and then, obviously, this device.

KING: Shimon, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We need to take you to this press conference right here on the scene in New York City, let's listen.

UKNOWN: You're going to hear from Deputy Mayor -- First Deputy Mayor Lorraine Grillo, Governor Kathy Hochul, Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell, who will outline the events as we know them. Laura Kavanagh, the first deputy commissioner and acting fire commissioner will walk you through casualties.

KING: Andy McCabe, as we wait, they're doing the introduction of who's about to speak here. What is the most important thing for these officials to bring forward out of the gate? Is it the -- is whether they know the identity of the suspect? Is it that they've cleared the subways?

MCCABE: They've got to -- they've got to address the subject. If they have somebody in custody --

KING: Here we go, I'm sorry, Andy, let me interrupt, this is the deputy mayor of New York City, let's listen.

LORRAINE GRILLO (D), FIRST DEPUTY MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: From the very minute this incident occurred the mayor and I have been on the phone monitoring the situation constantly. We have worked with all of our agencies, the FDNY, NYPD, OEM, all of the agencies who have worked really hard together.

And we continue to throw all of the city's resources at this situation. We've made all of the resources available and we'll work with the Office of Emergency Management for any additional needs. The -- I'm going to ask the Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell to speak to you and give you an update on the events of today, thank you.

KEECHANT SEWELL, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: Good afternoon. We're to update New Yorkers about an active shooting incident that took place this morning inside the 36th Street Subway Station on the N line. I want to begin by ensuring the public that there are currently no known explosive devices on our subway trains.

And this is not being investigated as an act of terrorism at this time. We can also report that although this was a violent incident reportedly we have no one with life-threatening injuries as a result of this case. This investigation is only hours old, so please note this information is subject to change. Just before 8:24 this morning as a Manhattan-bound N train waited to enter the 36th Street Station, an individual on that train donned what appeared to be a gas mask. He then took a canister out of his bag and opened it. The train at that time began to fill with smoke. He then opened fire striking multiple people on the subway, and in the platform.

Again, we will describe him as an individual, he is being reported as a male black, approximately five feet five inches tall with a heavy build. He was wearing a green construction-type vest and a hooded sweatshirt, the color is grey. At this time we are working with our federal partners but we are asking for the public's help.

Anyone with information, videos, or photographs no matter how insignificant they think that it may be is encouraged to call Crime Stoppers at 800-577-TIPS or call Strictly Confidential. I'd like to turn it over to the FDNY to give information about the victims. Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize, the governor would like to speak now, Governor Hochul, my apologies.

GOV. KATHY HOCHUL, (D) NEW YORK: Good afternoon. This morning ordinary New Yorkers woke up in anticipation of a relatively normal day. They left their homes en route to school, en route to their jobs, and to a normal day as I mentioned.

That sense of tranquility and normalness was disrupted -- brutally disrupted by an individual so cold-hearted and deprived of heart that they had no caring about the individuals that they assaulted as they simply went about their daily lives. This individual is still on the loose, this person is dangerous.

We're asking individuals to be very vigilant and alert. You'll get more reports on specificity as the day goes on. This was an active shooter situation right now in the city of New York. I just got off the phone with the mayor, he's recovering well, he's monitoring, he's actively engaged him this situation.

I wanted to let him know that the people of the entire state of New York stand with the people of this city, this community, and we say no more. No more mass shootings, no more disrupting lives, no more creating heartbreak for people just trying to live their lives as normal New Yorkers. It has to end and it ends now.

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And we are sick and tired of reading headlines about crime whether they're mass shootings or the loss of a teenage girl or a 13-year-old. It has to stop. I'm committing the full resources of our state to fight the surge of crime, this insanity that is seizing our city because we want to get back to normal.

It has been a long, hard two years, that's what we carve a sense of stability and normalcy. And this is what the mayor and I are going to continue to work toward. And I thank the partners, the brave people at the MTA, the first ones who had the sense, the drivers of the train to leave the station to make sure no more victims could be hurt. The NYPD, FDNY, State Police, everyone involved in this has one purpose and that's to stop the insanity of these crimes. You'll hear now from our fire department, I want to thank them for being there to help us diffuse a volatile situation. But we'll be giving continued reports as this day unfolds.

Again, we ask everyone to be careful, be cautious, report what you see. It is likely that someone out there listening to this is going to help us -- lead us to that individual, you have a description of what they are wearing. You know the details.

But this is the day we pull together as New Yorkers, united in a common purpose to say no more. And that is what I'm going to continue to do as the governor of the state of New York working with our local partners right here. Thank you.

LAURA KAVANAGH, ACTING FDNY COMMISSIONER: Thank you, Governor. Good afternoon. This morning the FDNY received reports of gunshot victims in the subway. Thanks to their quick response we were able to treat 16 patients, 10 of those patients are suffering from gunshot wounds at this time. And five of them are in critical but stable condition in our local hospitals.

UNKNOWN: (Inaudible).

KAVANAGH: Yes, we have 16 total patients, 10 of them are suffering from gunshot wounds, and five of them are in critical but stable condition at this time. I'm going to pass it over to the MTA for an update on our subways.

UNKNOWN: OK. First of all, we have to thank the NYPD, and the FDNY, and the whole team who've done so much to protect us and help immediately to recover from this situation. And I also need to acknowledge the MTA workers who had the foresight to immediately move a train that was on the platform, the R train out of the station so it could carry people to safety.

That was -- that was smart thinking. Right now B service is suspended, W service is suspended, the D, and the N, and the R are running with suspensions and some shuttle buses. And folks should check the website for latest, obviously, it's a disrupted day. But a lot of the system is in fact running.

I just want to say one thing on a personal note, which is on 9/11 I stood on 4th Avenue and watched people, New Yorkers come back from that tragedy. And I thought -- I watched New Yorkers help each other and storekeepers walk out and give people water. That was the same thing we saw on the platform today.

We saw New Yorkers in a difficult situation, an emergency helping each other. That's the subway riders, that's who New Yorkers are, every day they're showing people in the subway, which is our public space that New Yorkers of all varieties can come together in small spaces and get along and create something bigger.

That's what we remember in these emergencies. As well as the tragedy, and the thought for the quick recovery of the victims. Is New Yorkers are incredibly resilient. Just as they are in every emergency, and we thank them for what they've done.

And we thank the governor and the mayor for their leadership in all of our recovery from COVID, and from every one of these challenges.

UNKNOWN: Just to reiterate, we're going to be very limited in what we are able to answer in questions. Just also underlying our partners here, you got Mike Regan, Mike Regan is the assistant special agent in charge of the Joint Terrorism Task Force with the FBI and NYPD, John DeVito from ATF who's helping us with tracing efforts and investigation, he's the special agent in charge for New York City.

We have the Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalez, who is also here. And of course, Chief Ken Corey, chief of department and first deputy commissioner at (inaudible). We'll start off with questions for the police officials.

UNKNOWN: Was the shooting on the train or on the platform? Was the suspect on the platform or in the train? And was it -- was -- did it all happen in the 36th train station or what happened down at 25th Street?

SEWELL: The suspect was in the train car, the shooting began in the train car.

UNKNOWN: Can you give us some more details exactly what happened in the car?

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Did the suspect say anything? What type of weapon did he have? And what was going on inside the car as this all happened?

SEWELL: So as I stated before, we were only able to get limited information because it's under investigation. As the train was pulling into the station the subject put on a gas mask, he then opened a canister that was in his bag, and then the car filled with smoke. After that, he began shooting. Too many questions, too many question.

UNKNOWN: Guys, one at a time. Guys, one at a time. Hang on, go.

UNKNOWN: Commissioner, does this appear to be random? Any idea why this individual did this? And did this here?

SEWELL: We do not know the motive at this time but we're not ruling anything out.

UNKNOWN: (Inaudible) gunshots, are they shrapnel wounds? What are the other injuries that were not gunshots?

SEWELL: You want the fire department?

KAVANAGH: There are a variety of other injuries from smoke inhalation to shrapnel to panic from the incident.

UNKNOWN: When you say shrapnel what would the shrapnel (inaudible)?

KAVANAGH: It could be from anything. It's still under investigation at this time. So it could be a grazing from a bullet, it could be from the panic following the incident.

UNKNOWN: But not from an explosive device?

KAVANAGH: Not at this time, no.

UNKNOWN: Any idea the suspect, where they fled? Did they go to the train track? Did they get out of the station? Any idea the whereabouts (inaudible)?

SEWELL: That's subject to investigation. We're endeavoring to determine that right now.

UNKNOWN: OK, Josh (ph).

UNKNOWN: Why did you -- Commissioner, why do you connect this more to the litany of gun violence and not terrorism at this stage? Why rule our terrorism?

SEWELL: I'm not ruling out anything. We're determining what that motive is and we'll find that out as the investigation continues.

UNKNOWN: (Inaudible) one particular ethnic group?

SEWELL: No, Sir, the victims have a variety of ethnic backgrounds.

UNKNOWN: (Inaudible).

SEWELL: (Inaudible) questions.

UNKNOWN: I got it -- I got it. We've got -- we've got time for about two more.

UNKNOWN: Why were the trains not shut down immediately? And if they were could it have been easier to catch the suspect?

UNKNOWN: That's not the case. Max (ph).

UNKNOWN: How (inaudible) in the subway station?

SEWELL: I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

UNKNOWN: We're the cameras working in the subway station?

SEWELL: That's under investigation as we speak. That was two.

UNKNOWN: Worker given that (inaudible) construction vest?

SEWELL: We have not --

UNKNOWN: Could it have been another city worker or something?

SEWELL: We have not identified the subject. He was wearing a green type construction vest.

UNKNOWN: Governor Hochul, do you want to comment on the arrest of your Lieutenant Governor Brian Benjamin (inaudible) will you continue to campaign with him?

HOCHUL: I'll be happy to report on it later today. We'll have a statement out, I have not had a chance to speak to him. I was doing interviews this morning. This is not the place but I will be addressing very shortly.

Let's focus on the fact that there are people in the hospital right now fighting for their lives. Those are the people we're thinking about and praying for at this moment.

UNKNOWN: All right, thank you very much. Now, listen, we're going to get -- hang on a second -- hang on a second. We're going to get back to you with a time for an update later. The information is developing, we expect to have more later. And that will not be here, that will be --

KING: We're listening here, police officials wrapping up a quick news conference outside of the scene of a horrific subway shooting this morning. New York -- the governor there, the deputy mayor, the New York City, and the NYPD commissioner updating on that Brooklyn subway attack.

Some very important things that we learned. Number one, most importantly, the suspect is still at large. He is described as a heavy-set black gentleman, approximately five foot five inches described by eyewitnesses at the scene. Sixteen victims, 10 suffering from gunshot wounds, five in critical but stable condition.

But remarkably the deputy mayor saying none are believed to be life- threatening injuries. The deputy fire commissioner, excuse me, saying that not life-threatening at this time. This from the police commissioner, significant, not being investigated -- this shooting not being investigated as an act of terrorism at the moment.

Although the commissioner did say the investigation still continuing, no known motive. There are no known explosives on the train, the transit saying most of the subway system has been reopened. There are still some suspensions. This happened, a harrowing scene, just before 8:30 am.

A train pulling into the station, shooting started inside the train car. The suspect is said to have put on a gas mask, pulled a canister from a bag, opened that canister, smoke filled the train, and then the shooting started to break out. Let's bring in the Former DC and Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey who is with us right now.

Chief, as you listen to that play out, most importantly from an investigative standpoint, the suspect remains at large, what else jumped out to you, Sir?

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, first of all, it was a lot of information I thought that came out in that. More accurate description of the shooter, male, black, five/five, heavy build, wearing the green vest but also a gray sweatshirt.

That's going to be helpful as they start going through video looking to see where that person got on the train, where that person went after they got off the train. So I'm sure that they've got maybe a little bit more information pertaining to that individual. But you know, they're going to hold some things close to the vest.

The other thing, the fact now we know we got 10 people shot as opposed to five, then eight, now it's 10. I think that's probably more the final number, it's pretty accurate. So more information is coming out in this investigation.

I thought it was a good press conference, I thought John Miller (ph) did a good job, you know, kind of controlling it best he could. But there's still a lot of information that we don't have yet because it's unfolding and it's unfolding pretty rapidly. But they -- it seems to me like they got a lot to go on.

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One last thing, the fact that the person allegedly pulled out the canister, released the smoke then started shooting. That would tell me that's not a targeted shooting. In other words, if that was a specific person they were trying to shoot you wouldn't fill the car with smoke first and then start shooting because you'd need to see who you're shooting at.

So that kind of random shooting like that is -- it -- I mean, that's curious as to why somebody would do that other than just cause a lot of havoc and just kill people unnecessarily. So terrorism is not off the table at this point in time I would imagine.

KING: You said that -- I was just going to ask you that because sometimes we get caught up in the language of the business if you will of law enforcement. The police commissioner did say it is not being investigated as an act of terrorism right now. It was certainly a terrifying event to those people on the train.

But make the distinction, this is something who had grievances as you note from your investigative experience. If you're going to start the smoke canister then you're shooting more randomly, you're not there for a specific target in your view, at least preliminary. Why would -- why do you believe the commissioner would come out now and say it is not at this moment being investigated as an act of terrorism?

RAMSEY: Well, I think one you don't want to panic the public. And quite frankly, they don't know because they don't have a motive. They don't know why this guy did this. And so, you need to have a motive first. But they're not taking it off the table.

And it think that's important the way she said, you know, it's not being investigated as terrorism at this time. It's not off the table, it's a shooting investigation, obviously. But they don't know the motive yet. And they need more information before they can officially classify it.

But I think that's something that you do to just kind of keep the public calm. Because you just don't know. But you know, it definitely was not targeted if it unfolded the way they are saying it unfolded and I would imagine that's based on eyewitnesses.

KING: Chief, stand by, I want to get straight to the scene now and bring in CNN's Brynn Gingras who has been there throughout the morning and was there for that news conference just a moment ago. Brynn as Chief Ramsey notes, a remarkable amount of information but still some giant questions.

BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, there's still a lot of questions, actually, John. You know, I -- listening to that news conference I was kind of thinking they are just letting us know basically the description of the suspect because they have not apprehended him just yet.

I still think there's a lot of unknowns and they just wanted to kind of get that information out there circulating in the public before they could really give more details about this investigation.

So I was certainly wishing to hear a little bit more. But let's put out that suspect description again, five/five, heavy build, a black male wearing a gray hoodie, green construction vest. Now, all my sources are pretty much telling me that there are names circulating, and they're looking into this based off of video evidence, witness accounts of possible names.

And certainly now the focus for all the law enforcement that is here on the scene. A coordinated effort is to find that suspect. But yes, it's a huge deal that they came to the cameras and told us as of now, as you guys just pointed out, as of now this does not look like a terrorist incident to calm some fears maybe.

But still, it's a big deal that this suspect is still on the loose, and that is the focus right now, is to find him.

KING: Brynn Gingras on the scene for us, stand by as well. Let's bring back in Andrew McCabe, the former deputy director of the FBI. Andrew, you heard as the press conference played out essentially phase one, get to the scene, see what's happening, phase two, treat the wounded, remarkably no life-threatening injuries believed at this point.

Where are we now as you move into the next phase? Obviously, the suspect is still at large. And as they were going through the resources brought to bear there, including the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, And Firearms, a federal agency, which they said was helping with the tracing.

Obviously, shots fired, you have 10 people who were shot, treated for gunshots. Which means a number of bullets were fired. Walk us through how that process plays out. MCCABE: Sure. So there's maybe the two major areas where law enforcement are directing their resources right now, John. Are first processing the crime scenes, right. And this is an extensive scene, you have the shooting allegedly took place on the moving train, and then, of course, the victims and possibly the subject himself empty out onto the platform. So they've got a lot of work to do there. So that's in one column.

The second side of the investigation right now, of course, is trying to find that subject. We just heard Brynn indicate that they already possibly have some potential names of people that they might be looking for, that's a good sign. I would expect that those are -- any information they do have is likely derived from reviewing video footage.

I'm sure that they are looking at all of the video capture from any of the stations prior to the 34th Street Station on both the N and the R trains. Because this subject could have entered that train at any number of a bunch of different stations across the subway system. So it's a -- it's an intensive effort, it's very broadly based right now.

But ultimately it is that video capture that'll bring them to the best information about who the subject is. And once you know who he is, then you got to find him.

KING: And Andy McCabe, I want to ask you the same question.