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New Details Revealed for Queen Elizabeth's Funeral Monday; EU Chief Visits Kyiv, Promises Unwavering Support; Lancet Commission Cites COVID Death Toll As a "Massive Global Failure"; The Lancet Commission Says COVID- 19 Death Toll Mark of a "Massive Global Failure"; Inside William and Harry's Complicated Relationship; Florida Governor Sends Migrants to Martha's Vineyard; Patagonia Founder Gives Away Firm to Help Climate Change. Aired 2-3p ET

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ISA SOARES, HOST, ISA SOARES TONIGHT: Hello and a very warm welcome to the show, coming to you live from the center of London. We'll have all the

day's headlines ahead this hour. Well, we begin right here in the United Kingdom, 7 O'clock. Thousands have waited in line for hours, some even

overnight to pay their final respects to Queen Elizabeth II.

And this is the queue or the line right now. Brits really doing what they do best, really forming orderly lines stretching for several miles along

the River Thames. And from inside Westminster Hall, her majesty lying in state until her funeral as of course taking place on Monday. We are

learning new details of what to expect in the coming days.

Buckingham Palace has announced that King Charles III, as well as his siblings will mount a vigil around their mother's coffin on Friday, similar

to what we saw in Edinburgh. It will be similar, of course, where the monarch, if you remember, was joined by Anne, the Princess Royal, Prince

Edward and Prince Andrew in a moving tradition that's known as the vigil of the princess.

And this queue inside Westminster Hall, will close at 6:30 local time Monday morning to prepare for the procession to Westminster Abbey. Towards

the end of the funeral, a two-minute silence will be observed throughout the United Kingdom. The queen will be buried next to her husband, the Duke

of Edinburgh at Windsor in a private ceremony.

Members of the royal family have been busy today with public engagements throughout the United Kingdom. The Prince and Princess of Wales, as you can

see there, traveled to Sandringham to visit the late queen's country residence, where they spoke to well wishers and viewed floral tributes.

And if we go further north, the Earl and Countess of Wessex, Edward and Sophie, lit a candle in memory of queen -- of the queen at Manchester

Cathedral. They also met with volunteers and signed the book of condolences.




SOARES: As you hear those bagpipes, that's Glasgow, Anne; the Princess Royal who had a company in the queen's cortege, if you remember, from

Balmoral in Scotland to London. Visit to the floral tribute to her late mother and greeted members of the public. Let's get more on what we can


Joining me now is CNN's Nic Robertson. And Nic, as mourners of course continue to pay their respects, we are learning of course, more details

about the funeral on Monday. Talk us through what we can expect, Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, at the moment, all those well wishers and people coming to pay their respects, filing

through Westminster Hall, that's going to keep going through the weekend alongside that royal vigil late on Friday. But the doors will close at

Westminster Hall at 6:30 a.m. in the morning, Monday morning.

A few hours later, about 10:35, the queen's casket will be taken off that catafalque and loaded on to the state's gun carriage of the Royal Navy. It

will be taken from there, from Westminster Hall, to Westminster Abbey. Now, earlier in the week, we saw that gun carriage being pulled by horses.

On Monday, at the funeral -- for the funeral service, it will be pulled by 142 Royal Naval ratings -- sailors. Men, women, will be pulling the gun

carriage to Westminster Abbey. The service expected to begin around about 11:00 a.m., officiated by the dean of Westminster, the archbishop of

Canterbury, giving key addresses during the service, and the service expected to last about an hour, 2,000 dignitaries will be there, President

Biden, along with many other heads of state from around the world will all be in Westminster Abbey.

Following that service, there will be another similar procession. The coffin, the queen's coffin aboard the same gun carriage pulled by the same

servicemen and women taken to -- taking through central London before it will be transferred to a vehicle, the queen's coffin driven then to Windsor

Castle, where it will be taken to the Chapel of St. George.


There, within that chapel, the Chapel of King George, and of course, that's where the queen's husband, Prince Philip was buried. And there in that

private service you were mentioning, the queen will be finally laid to rest next to her husband, Prince Philip. So, likely going to be a very emotional

day, and one that will be full of images that are so rarely seen.

The queen's father, the queen's grandfather, the queen's great-grandfather, also pulled on the same gun carriage at their funerals as well.

SOARES: And Nic, do we have a sense, as of yet, who will be attending this funeral, what dignitaries? What members of the public? And as well, talk us

through the security here.

ROBERTSON: Security here is very tight. You know, some of it seen on the streets with the police officers on the streets. And some of it obviously,

behind the scenes. And much of it has been put in place through the planning. And the police talk about, you know, experiences gained in

previous big events like this in London.

But this might for them by far the biggest security event. So many heads of state, probably, the biggest number of heads of state in recent living

memory in London. And they will all be there, coming into Westminster Abbey on Monday morning. The British police have been through events similar to

this before.

Your concerns are wide ranging. You know, the obvious concerns of potential terrorism. Perhaps, the biggest concern for police though, is just a lone

individual who decides to break free of the railings and ran out. And of course, police, military stationed all round the routes. So, that sort of

thing will be, one would imagine, intercepted very quickly.

But in terms of an event attracting world leaders like President Joe Biden and Jill Biden, the first lady of the United States, attracting people such

as the former king of Spain, Juan Carlos and his wife, Sofia --

SOARES: Yes --

ROBERTSON: The current king of Spain, royals from the Netherlands, from Belgium, from Norway, head of state from South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa from

South Africa, it's a very long and extensive list and it's growing.

SOARES: Yes, and it seems, I think I read that about 200 people, so the world recognized and quite the queen honors, the queen's honored this year

for their role in COVID-19 pandemic will also be there. And I think that's incredibly touching and moving for them to be there. Nic Robertson,

appreciate it, thanks very much, Nic.

Well, those wanting to view the queen's coffin at Westminster Hall, will be in for a long -- a very long wait. At its peak today, the queue was about 9

hours long and over 6 kilometers in length. That is according to the U.K. government's live queue tracker, as you can see there, that was set up

really to make the process as efficient as possible.

Joining me now is CNN's Anna Stewart. So, Anna, talk us -- talk us through how efficient this system has been. Where are you now?

ANNA STEWART, CNN REPORTER: Well, as you can see, so I'm at Tower Bridge now, beautiful bridge. And actually, this queue does take you past lots of

the London landmarks. The queue is now running nearly 5 miles long. And we're told it takes between 8 and 9 hours. So, a very long wait. You can

see it going through the river here, and actually snakes around apart.

You can see some few infrastructure here in front of the camera, trying to maximize really how much space there is. So, in total, this queue can reach

for 10 miles. It's hoped that if people keep going through as quickly as they are now, it will never be that long. But it's moving fast, as you can

tell. Lots of people just want to pay their respects to the queen.

Lots talk about how they feel a real personal loss, like they've lost a member of their family. And also, I think, a lot of people want to be here

because it's a big moment in history. They want to remember, and part of remembering it is really pulling together as a nation. And they've all made

friends in what feels like a very long queue.

And lots of these people will be queuing here all night long. And let's see if we can see some of them. There's a whole new respond, I see, an orange

respond. Hello?

Very long at all. Are you ready? You've got a good footwear ready for a very long --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I'm ready for it.

STEWART: Now, tell me why you feel it's important to be doing this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, she's been reigning for 70 years. I cannot come for 8 hours wait. You know, it's one hour for every 10 years that she

served. So, when you look at it like that --

STEWART: It's nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's nothing. So, I'm really pleased to be here, you know, show my respect. And I'm doing it for my family as well.

STEWART: And what's the atmosphere been like in the queue, you met lots of people?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yes, there's lots of people. You know, as we're getting nearer, some people are a bit more somber, but you know, generally,

the people are -- the camaraderie is good. And now we're all rooting for each other to do it.


STEWART: Goodwill, good luck with your journey. I hope you have a good evening and you stay warm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will do, thank you.

STEWART: Thank you very much. So I think you have it there, there is this sort of transition of mood, quite upbeat, particularly this part of the

queue. But certainly more somber in 8 hours time as you approach Westminster Hall. Well, I'm sure we have pictures of that moment where you

walk through in the silence and see the queen's coffin and the guard around it. Isa?

SOARES: Thanks very much, Anna Stewart there for us. Well, the European Union chief says Europe will never be able to match really the sacrifice

that Ukrainians are making for freedom. But she says, Kyiv's European friends will remain by its side for as long as it takes.

Ursula von der Leyen visited Kyiv today, meeting with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. She's helping Ukraine navigate its candidacy for full EU

membership. Many western countries have supplied Ukraine with game-changing advanced weapons. But today, Mr. Zelenskyy had a specific request singling

out five nations. Let's bring in CNN's Ben Wedeman for details, he's live in Kyiv. So, Ben, who did he single out, and what exactly was that request?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, President Zelenskyy at this press conference singled out five countries. France,

Germany, Italy, the United States and Israel, which he said are countries that possessed advanced air defense systems. At that, at the moment,

Ukraine desperately needs advanced air defense systems to defend against Russian long-range missiles.

We've seen, for instance, going back over the last few days, the city of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city, was hit by a Russian attack which,

essentially, knocked out the electricity there. Yesterday, a water pumping station near Kryvyi Rih city to the south of here, was hit and flooded an

adjacent area forcing some of the residents to flee to drier ground.

Today, also in Kryvyi Rih, an industrial site was hit. And therefore, what he's saying is they need this help. They -- he's expressed appreciation for

all the other weapons that have been provided by the supporters of Ukraine. But actually, he pointed out that of those five countries, Israel has been

the least forthcoming when it comes to Ukraine's request for these advanced systems.


VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT, UKRAINE (through translator): Obviously, air defense systems and anti-missile systems an urgent priority for us now.

We are expecting a number of these systems, but I have not received any yet.


WEDEMAN: And the longer this goes on, now what we've seen for instance is that despite the massive advances made by Ukrainian forces in the Kharkiv

region, where they've retaken 8,000 square kilometers from the Russians, we are seeing that the Russians are taking maximum advantage of their

superiority in these long-range missiles. So, he really stressed on that point while meeting with Mrs. von der Leyen.

SOARES: Ben Wedeman for us this hour in Kyiv, Ukraine. Thanks very much. Ben, appreciate it. We're only halfway through September, of course, and

Ukraine says it has already recaptured 8,000 square kilometers from Russia this month. You heard them there. And that is roughly the size of the

island of Cyprus.

Let's talk more about this counteroffensive. Well, a well-known face here on the show, CNN military analyst Cedric Leighton is a retired U.S. Air

Force colonel. Colonel, great to have you on the show. Let's talk about the speed of this counteroffensive because it's taken many by surprise. How do

you assess the gains on the ground?

CEDRIC LEIGHTON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: So, Isa, it is very clear that the Ukrainians have done amazing work. It -- you know, kind of could be

compared with some of the Israeli movement in for example, the 1973 Arab- Israeli war, very quick, lightning fast movements that encircled the enemy in certain tactical engagements.

They're able to move very quickly. They're able to use command and control flexibility down to the lowest echelon in the Ukrainian forces. And that

has given them a distinct advantage over the Russians, which have -- the Russians have a much more structured command and control system, and they

really depend on the upper echelons making their decisions to engage or not to engage in tactical situations.

So, you know, I think the bottom line here is that, the Ukrainians have done masterful work with limited resources. And that is very significant

and in terms of sustaining that, that poses the big question right now.


SOARES: And meanwhile, colonel, U.S. officials have been cautioning that it's perhaps too early to call this progress, that you and I are talking

about, a turning point in the war. Warning that Russia is far from, you know, being extend force militarily. Do you agree with that view?

LEIGHTON: To an extent, I do. I do think this is actually a turning point, but a turning point --


LEIGHTON: Can be followed by another turning point that --

SOARES: Yes --

LEIGHTON: Would reverse the course of what's going on now. So, I would say, Isa, it is a potential turning point. It is a way of, you know, the

Ukrainians have clearly exhibited much more depth command of the situation --

SOARES: Yes --

LEIGHTON: Than we expected them to. And this is something that I think will stand them in good stead as long as they can keep their momentum


SOARES: So that's the Ukrainian side, but what about the Russian side, colonel? I mean, where does Russia go from here? What's Putin's strategy

now? Because Ukrainian officials have been somewhat concerned because as they suffered mass -- suffered these losses that Moscow is turning to, you

know, its old playbook, the striking in civilian infrastructure.

LEIGHTON: Yes, that is definitely part of the playbook. And it has --

SOARES: Yes --

LEIGHTON: Really been part of Russian strategy that has remained unchanged throughout the course of this war. So, the Russians will probably increase

their efforts, you know, go about the damage Kryvyi Rih, we know about the industrial complex that's been talked about in his reporting. We know that

they went after the power structure earlier.

So, this is the kind of thing that they're going to continue to do. But it is not going to be something that will amass to a sufficient extent to

really knock the Ukrainians out of the war at this point. So the Russians are basically dealing with their backs against the wall, and they have some

very limited options, potentially, mobilization.

But that would be politically unpopular in Russia and could potentially result in some damage to Putin and his ability to rule.

SOARES: And as you said, you know, the Russians have their backs against the wall, meanwhile, we've seen President Zelenskyy visiting newly-

liberated areas in Ukraine, colonel, handing out medals and even motivating his troops as we head into these key Winter months. How important is this?

We are looking at those images right now.

LEIGHTON: The motivation that President Zelenskyy has given his troops is something very -- that is very important. It is one of those military

intangibles that makes a difference between a victorious army, and an army that is going to have significant difficulties. And Zelenskyy knows that,

he understands that, and he does this to great effect.

SOARES: Colonel Cedric Leighton, always great to have you on the show. Appreciate it. Thank you.

LEIGHTON: Thank, you, Isa

SOARES: Well, it made Ukraine stunning gains on the battlefield, the president of Russia and China met Thursday in Uzbekistan to strengthen

their emerging alliance. Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping spoke on the sidelines of a regional summit in the historic city of Samarkand, their

first meeting since Russia invaded Ukraine.

Mr. Putin comes to this summit increasingly dependent on China as Russia faces punishing international sanctions. He praised China's independent

views on the war even while acknowledging Beijing's concerns about it. Have a listen.


VLADIMIR PUTIN, PRESIDENT, RUSSIA (through translator): We highly appreciate the balanced position of our Chinese friends in connection with

the Ukrainian crisis. We understand your questions and concerns in this regard. During today's meeting, of course, we will explain in detail our

position on this issue, although we have spoken about this before.


SOARES: Well, for his part, Mr. Xi pledged to expand China's ties with Russia on the core concerns. And still to come right here on the show, what

went right and what went wrong as the world tried to deal with the COVID pandemic? We'll have the details of a comprehensive study.



SOARES: A massive global failure, that is what the mission studying the COVID-19 pandemic says about the way governments, health organizations and

individuals dealt with the disease. There is a lot to unpack in this report, so let's bring in CNN health reporter Jacqueline Howard to help us

really understand. And so Jacqueline, what did they cite as the biggest failures of this pandemic response?

JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH REPORTER: So, there are a number of failures cited in this report, and I will say, within the scientific community,

there does seem to be somewhat of a consensus that the response to -- the global response to the pandemic could have been much better, much better

coordinated, and this report goes into specific details.

Some of the failures of reference says a slow coordination between governments, really a lack of coordination, the timeliness of the response

to the pandemic. And of course, addressing misinformation could have been improved. And the report also references the World Health Organization by

name, saying that there was a slow effort to declare a public health emergency of international concern.

It also references a slow response to accept airborne transmission of the coronavirus. So, those are some of the failures cited. Now, the World

Health Organization did respond to this report. In the W.H.O's. response, it says, quote, "W.H.O. welcomes the over-arching recommendations of The

Lancet COVID-19 Commission's report. At the same time, there are several key omissions and misinterpretations in the report, not least regarding the

public health emergency of international concern, and the speed and scope of W.H.O.'s actions."

Now, the report also references recommendations. And says that moving forward, the world, globally, could do a better job of supporting public

health, of investing in public health. And the report also references lessons we can learn to prepare for the next pandemic. So, those are the

main takeaways here.

And the impact that COVID-19 has had on the world, if we look at the number of cases, and the number of deaths, that really puts in perspective how

globally, we are vulnerable to a public health emergency happening again. So, as you see here on the screen, that's the impact we've seen of the


This report really points to the lessons learned and how we can improve moving forward. Back to you.

SOARES: Thanks very much, Jacqueline, I really appreciate it. Well, let's talk now to the chair of The Lancet Commission, and one of the co-authors

of this report, Jeffrey Sachs. He's a professor at Columbia University and the director of the school's Center for Sustainable Development.

Mr. Sachs, great to have you on the show, I think it's fair to say that the report didn't really mince its words, putting the blame directly on

governments as well as you heard there from our correspondent, a lack of transparency. Why in your opinion did the government fail?

JEFFREY SACHS, PROFESSOR, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: Governments failed because they were not prepared and they didn't even try once the pandemic started

to address it properly, scientifically, and honestly, politicians behaved like politicians. What should we do that will work? What will -- what will

the public respond to? What's going to happen to my election?

You think about Donald Trump telling the American people, don't worry, it's nothing, it will be gone any moment, it's just going to go away. And we've

had more than 1 million deaths in the United States. We call it the failure because there had been 18 million deaths worldwide. It's absolutely


And when you look at the number of politicians in countries that just were winning it or faking it or manipulating it for whatever they thought was

their short-term advantage, rather than asking scientifically, properly, how can this get under control?


How do we keep people safe? What finances do we need? And how can we cooperate with other countries? First, our neighbors, or other places where

people are arriving in airports or traveling to, or how can we cooperate to ensure that every part of the world has access to vaccines and drugs, even

the poor countries.

These are basic issues of cooperation and coordination. They are the only ways to address a disease that transmits an infectious disease pandemic. We

also point out that the origin of this virus, SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID. We still don't know where it came from, and we've not had transparency from

the U.S. government, for example.

Which may be able to tell us what kind of laboratory research was underway that might accidentally have contributed to the emergence of this virus. We

don't know whether this came from nature or a marketplace or a laboratory. But I can tell you, two years into this commission report, the U.S.

government knows more than it's telling us.

And it is redacting the information, in other words, rather than showing the real information, it's showing us blank pages, and therefore, it's

making it very hard to know, was a dangerous research or just a bad accident in a marketplace, for example, that led to this virus? We still

don't know until today.

SOARES: I think several studies have come to the conclusion it came from zoonotic -- kind of a zoonotic conclusion. But on the question of -- you

know, we'll probably never --

SACHS: No, just -- but I want to make clear --

SOARES: Go ahead --

SACHS: Those studies --

SOARES: Go ahead --

SACHS: Those studies did not find a single infected animal, and they did not answer the key question of how this particular virus, which has a piece

of its gene, called Furin Cleavage Site, how that came about? But what we do know, because people have leaked the information from inside the U.S.

government that dangerous research was underway and exactly that part of the virus.

So, we need to know answers, not just, well, we think it came out of a market, but we can't show you an animal. We can't explain where this virus

came from. There is more to learn, and that's a conclusion of the commission. The claim that we know it's from the market, that is possible,

but absolutely not conclusive.

And I can tell you, as chair of the commission, that the U.S. government continues to not show us some of the vital data that could help us

distinguish between these hypothesis.

SOARES: Let's talk further about your report. Because as you just heard from our correspondent there, Jacqueline Howard, she was talking -- gave us

a response of the W.H.O., saying that the W.H.O. is -- on your report, dismissed the findings, saying it contains omissions and

misinterpretations. What is your reaction to what we just heard from the W.H.O.?

SACHS: Oh, first of all, the W.H.O. strongly supports the report, the recommendations, and says that it has differences of view on a few points,

which are important, and wonderful. I was just together with the director- general of W.H.O. in the public launch of the report. I strongly support the director-general. I strongly support W.H.O., this is not a report

taking aim at W.H.O., it's mainly taking aim at national governments.

In fact, in part for failing to support W.H.O. What was the United States government doing walking out of W.H.O. in the middle of the pandemic? Which

is what Trump did. So, this is mainly a critique of national governments. W.H.O. has a few particular points, which is going to raise and I -- when

we discussed it, I very much welcome all of this discussion, and clarification.

So, I'm looking forward to that. But we support W.H.O. strongly, and we call for proper budget, and for geopolitical backing of W.H.O. because the

United States in 2020 turned W.H.O. into a battleground with China. And that was a great hindrance to actually getting --

SOARES: Let's --

SACHS: This pandemic under control.

SOARES: Let's talk about the recommendations. We haven't touched on that, because it includes, I believe intensification of the origins of the virus.

So what would you recommend, Mr. Sachs, to be the most important here?

SACHS: First, on the origins, we need to open the books, open the laboratories in the U.S., that we're working on SARS-like viruses in China,

we need transparency, number one. Second, in terms of preparedness --

SOARES: Yes --


SACHS: Or prevention, we need not only to look at natural spillovers which occur -- meaning from animals to humans but also the dangerous laboratory

work that is happening around the world, in the United States and elsewhere, that is not properly controlled right now.

So we are talking about biosafety --



SACHS: -- as a second major recommendation. Third major recommendation --


SOARES: What about prevention here?

SACHS: Well, one kind of prevention is to make sure that dangerous laboratory work stops or is properly supervised, which was not the case.

Another is surveillance and respecting natural systems and, of course, controlling the interactions between people and animals in animal trade and

in the marketplace because that is a real risk.

So we have two kinds of risks. Both need to be controlled. Then we talk about financing. And financing means that we make sure that things like

vaccines are available for everybody in the world, not driven by just market profits because the governments actually paid for the science that

went into these vaccines.

Then the companies make billionaires out of themselves. But poor people don't get the vaccines. That makes no sense.

So we talk about ensuring access to especially publicly funded research and development that produces drugs and vaccines. That can't just be turned

over to private companies with their patents and the billionaires that result from that and then leaving people on the side.

Finally, we call for a global health fund so that we can properly fund health systems in poor countries, where life expectancy is 20 years or even

30 years less than in the advanced countries, because those countries are too poor to be able to have the vaccines, the medicines, the clinics and so


But with the relatively small amount of funding, 0.1 percent of the income of rich countries, you could ensure functioning health systems in every

country of the world. So that's why we call for a global health fund.

SOARES: Mr. Sachs, really appreciate you taking the time to speak to us.

Jeffrey Sachs there joining us from --

SACHS: My pleasure, thank you.

SOARES: -- from New York.

Very welcome.

And I do want to reiterate, it's our own CNN reporting, there are now multiple studies. I mentioned that in my interview there, with varying

methodology that come to the zoonotic origin conclusions. That's the vast majority of scientists are not really to not -- a zoonotic origin because

they do not -- they do have strong evidence to say there.

So reiterating my point there from that interview with Jeffrey Sachs.

And coming up, Florida's governor just flew migrants to a posh island off Massachusetts. It's stoking a political firestorm. We will have a live

report from Martha's Vineyard.

Then we will go into the lives of Princes William and Harry, 25 years after losing their mother. Grief is bringing them together again. You are

watching CNN.





SOARES: Welcome back, everyone. It's 7:30 here in London.

Now during Queen Elizabeth's military procession on Wednesday, we saw Prince William, if you remember, and Prince Harry walking side by side

behind their grandmother's coffin. It was a strong symbol of unity compared to Prince Philip's funeral, if you remember last year, when someone was

between them.

The brothers were bound by the tragedy of their mother's death when they were just boys. As adults, that relationship has become somewhat more

complicated. Prince Harry wasn't in military uniform during the procession, as he's no longer a working royal. Our Richard Quest explains.


RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Princes William and Harry marching somberly together behind their grandmother's coffin on


Echoing a painful memory of another tragic time 25 years ago when the two young brothers, united in grief, walked heartbreakingly behind their

mother's casket, their bond seemingly unbreakable.

From the time they were little, the so called "heir and the spare" were always together, whether on royal duty or just horsing around.

PRINCE HARRY, DUKE OF SUSSEX: He's definitely got more brain than me, I think we've established that from school. But when it comes to all that

hand -- I'm much better hands-on --

PRINCE WILLIAM, PRINCE OF WALES: I've got more brains. It's pretty rich coming from a ginger.

QUEST: Harry was best man when the future Prince of Wales married Catherine. Then it was Harry's turn to wed. William also serving as best

man for his little brother.

The two sharing a private, funny moment, caught on camera, as they waited for his bride, the American actress Meghan Markle.

But it wasn't long after that that signs of a royal rift appeared to show. Whilst on a tour of Africa, this eyebrow-raising comment by Prince Harry

revealed much, even though it said little.

PRINCE HARRY: We'll always be brothers. And we're certainly on different paths at the moment.

QUEST: In 2020, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex announced their decision to step back as working royals, the extent of that fracture, glaringly

obvious. Prince William then forced to carry alone royal duties that the brothers had been expected to shoulder together.

And then there was the tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey, from the accusation that Catherine, Princess of Wales, had caused Meghan to cry a

few days before her wedding, to the more serious allegations of racism in the royal family and a lack of support from those he was once close to.

PRINCE HARRY: The relationship is spaced at the moment.

QUEST: The airing of the royal dirty laundry, rippling like an earthquake across the Atlantic. The normally stoic and quiet future monarch, defended

his family against the accusations.

PRINCE WILLIAM: No. We're very much not a racist family.

QUEST: When their grandfather Prince Philip passed in April last year many had hoped it would be the catalyst to start the healing process. It was a

hope that seemed to be in vain.

Now with the passing of their beloved Grannie, an opening, an opportunity.

A surprise joint walkabout of the Prince and Princess of Wales and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in Windsor, where they greeted mourners.

The first time in years the couple had appeared in public together. Later showing an intimate dinner with the rest of the royals on Tuesday night at

Buckingham Palace. A sign that perhaps this royal rift might finally be on the mend.


SOARES: Joining me now is CNN's Richard Quest.


SOARES: Richard, that rift, is it over?

QUEST: I would say it is suspended. The question of whether it is suspended in honor and -- of the queen or whether it is a going to be a

real effort to bridge that gap.

But let us not forget Harry's book still has to come out. And he said, he's going to tell the truth, as he saw it. I mean, we had the article, the

interview with the Duchess of Sussex in the cut magazine (ph) and that just went over all the old ground again.

So I'm not saying that they are not making valiant efforts. But you are not going to breach -- or bridge this one very easily.

SOARES: We heard from William today reflecting on something that I think all our viewers would've noticed. And, of course, it's that moment when

William and Harry were behind their mother's coffin, obviously, Diana, Princess of Wales.

What did he say today about behind their grandmother's coffin?

QUEST: He described it as challenging or the event as challenging. And he said that it brought back memories.

Now Harry has already said that today -- Harry has already previously said that, today, nobody will be asked to do this. It would be almost cruel and

inhuman to have been asked to walk behind your mother's coffin only days after she had passed. And it was a searing moment.

Look at William's head, bowed. But the two men have gone their separate ways now. And you can clearly see it. Harry still has a deep resentment and

an anger and all those other things, which you understand, understandable.

But remember Charles said, the weight of history now falls upon him. William says the same thing. The weight of history now falls upon me

because I'm no longer in line to the throne; I'm the heir to the throne. I'm now the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cornwall. I'm next.

SOARES: Changes everything.

QUEST: It does and you can consider his demeanor. He's more serious, he's more, there's a gravitas about the way he goes about his business because

he and Catherine know that they are next. So they have to steep themselves in every aspect of this now so that they don't let their father down and,

of course, the queen herself.

SOARES: Richard Quest, thanks very much. We will be back in, what, less than half an hour?

Thank you very much, Richard.

Now the governor of the U.S. state of Florida says he's responsible for sending two planes carrying migrants to Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts.

About 50 people and that includes seven families, some of them with very young children, were dropped off on the island late Wednesday night and,

sadly, for a bit anyway, they were on their own.

That is because Massachusetts officials say Florida gave them no warning about the flights. And we want to stress this. Martha's Vineyard is a small

island just off the coast of Massachusetts. It's not easy to get to and is known as a summer hot spot for rather wealthy vacationers.

Let's bring in CNN's Miguel Marquez, who's on the island for us.

And Miguel, how are officials there coping, really, with these new arrivals?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's not just officials but it's just everyday people who live on this island year-round.

About 20,000 year-rounders here. It blooms up over 100,000 during the summer.

You know, they've come out in droves to help these people who were dropped off here without any warning. You can sign up for donations and everything

from clothing, to food, to money. This is the St. Andrew's parish house on this side, where all the volunteers are now gathering.

All of the immigrants are now staying here until they can get themselves sorted. It's likely that most of them, if not all of them, will leave the


But everybody here wants to make sure that these people know where they are going to go, what they are going to have when they get there and then how

they are going to make their asylum hearings down the road; 50 people, two planes.

They had about 20 minutes' notice at the airport here when they landed. They had no idea who was on those planes and then they only discovered it

once they got off and they realized that these people had no place to go.

I've seen people handing out clothing, even some winter clothing, because it gets cool here now in the morning and it's going to get much colder than

it certainly was in Venezuela.

All these people that we've spoken to today said that they were in Venezuela, did a month, two month, three month walk across Central America,

Mexico and into the U.S.

They were in San Antonio, Texas, yesterday; someone came around to the shelter where they were staying, offering them help, food, a job, clothes,

that, if they just went with them, they would have all this. They got on a plane and they landed here.


MARQUEZ: The governor, DeSantis, from Florida says that he paid for those planes. It sounds like the planes may have stopped, perhaps for fuel, in

Florida along the way and one of the Carolinas and then eventually ended up here.

But this is something that we have seen now in Washington, D.C., as well, where governor Abbott in Texas sent buses with migrants to the vice

president's home. The residents there in Washington, D.C., on the same day or within hours of them arriving here.

So it does feel like a very coordinated event by governors trying to make a point. Locals here say, you know, send us folks; we are a sanctuary state.

This is a place where we welcome immigrants. But give us a little warning. Back to you.

SOARES: Yes and, Miguel, just explain that for our international viewers why governor DeSantis would do this and the political noise around this

because, from anyone looking like this, it could be interpreted as them being used as political pawns. I mean, for props here.

MARQUEZ: That's certainly what a lot of politicians here, you know, Democrats in Massachusetts are saying, that it's a very cynical policy that

governor DeSantis is doing. One, these immigrants were in Texas, not Florida. DeSantis is governor of Florida.

He could've taken them to Florida, there are tons of Venezuelan immigrants in Florida and there's a very big community there that these people

could've taken advantage of. But instead, he sent them here.

This is something that Ted Cruz, Republican senator from Texas, put into legislation -- didn't pass but put into legislation to send immigrants to

places like Martha's Vineyard.

This is in the water, you know, this is also the Republican Party that marginally supported Donald Trump and his effort to separate families as

they came across the border as a punishment in trying to deter more migrants from coming to the U.S.

So it feels all like a coordinated part of what the Republican Party and the country has been doing for some time. Back to you.

SOARES: Miguel Marquez for us in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

And still to come, right here on the show tonight, a major sporting goods company is putting its money where its brand is. The owner of Patagonia

announces a major move on fighting climate change. We explain next.




SOARES: Now a dramatic business move from the founder of Patagonia to battle climate change. Yvon Chouinard is giving up the company he founded

nearly 50 years ago. He transferred ownership of the company to two entities that will use profits to protect nature and biodiversity. Our

business reporter, Paul La Monica, is here, joins me now.

Paul, explain exactly the entity who was given the money to or the company to and how exactly that is, you think it's going to save the planet here.

PAUL LA MONICA, CNNMONEY DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, obviously saving the planet, it would probably take more than this amount of money. But this is



LA MONICA: You have the profit of Patagonia that comes out to about $100 million annually, after they reinvest in the business. It's going to be

given to these two entities; one entity that will actually donate the money to charitable organizations that support issues like climate change

and other environmentally friendly initiatives.

And then there's another entity that will have all the voting rights, that will make sure that what is being done by the other entity is kind of what

exactly is in the spirit of what the chairman of Patagonia wants.

So one is going to be kind of, like, the watchdog for the other.

SOARES: It's definitely going to, I mean he's definitely an example of corporate leadership. Let's see if anyone else follows suit. Paul La Monica

for, us thank you very much, Paul.

Now coming up, tennis legend, Roger Federer, is retiring. We will have much more on the man who brought a beautiful backhand and loads of class to

tennis courts for decades. That is next.






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