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Senate Passes Trump's Big Beautiful Bill; Extreme Heat Wave Sweeps Across Europe; Ukraine Strikes Russian Missile Facility; Poland To Restore Border Checks With Germany and Lithuania; Jimmy Swaggart Dies At Age 90; Jury In Combs Trial Still Deliberating; France Smoking Ban In Public Begins; Day Two At Wimbledon; Senate Passes Trump's Big Beautiful Bill; Extreme Heat Wave Sweeps Across Europe; Ukraine Strikes Russian Missile Facility. Aired 2-3p ET
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ISA SOARES, HOST, ISA SOARES TONIGHT: A very warm welcome to the show, everyone, I'm Isa Soares. Tonight, music to my ears. That is President
Trump's reaction as his Big Beautiful Bill just passed in the Senate. We'll go live to Washington for all the analysis for you. Then temperatures soar
across Europe while England and Spain break records for June as the warmest months ever. We'll bring you that story.
And Ukraine strikes a missile production facility deep inside Russia. I speak with Poland's Foreign Minister about war, NATO spending, as well as
border security. But we begin tonight in Washington for Donald Trump, the relentless pressure on Republican senators to bend to his will has led to
what may very well be his greatest political victory.
The U.S. Senate narrowly passed the President's sweeping domestic policy bill just a short time ago, thanks to a tie-breaking vote from Vice
President JD Vance, who you just saw there. The legislation extends the President's 2017 tax cuts and raises the debt ceiling by trillions of
dollars.
An estimated 11 million Americans would lose Medicaid if the bill becomes law. A number, the President says will be much lower. Have a listen.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's a great bill. There is something for everyone. And I think it's going to go very nicely in the
House. Actually, I think it will be easier in the House than it was in the Senate. We really were very cognizant of three things: Social Security,
we're going to take care of it beautifully, Medicare and Medicaid, and we are going to save it.
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SOARES: And while the Senate was voting, Mr. Trump was touring the controversial Alligator Alcatraz project surrounded by alligators and
pythons, the former training and transition airport in the marshy wetlands of the Florida Everglades is being very quickly transformed into a migrant
detention center.
Environmental groups have sued to try to block the plan. Other critics, including migrant rights supporters and native Americans say the facility
threatens their ancestral homelands. And differences over the bill have reignited Elon Musk feud with the President -- oh, the feud started again.
The tech billionaire says that if it passes, he will launch a third party to challenge congressional Republicans.
Before leaving for Florida, Mr. Trump responded to Musk's comments, warning that DOGE is a monster and suggested that Musk's business interests could
be the target of DOGE cuts. Here we are again. Let's go straight to our White House now, and our Kevin Liptak. So, Kevin, let's start then with the
Big Beautiful Bill finally passed the Senate.
There were though, several GOP holdouts, but this is not the last hurdle. Just talk us -- walk us through the battle of this bill, and just really
how divisive it has been.
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes, the bill is not a victory for the President quite yet. It still has to --
SOARES: Yes --
LIPTAK: Go back to the House. And there are some challenges that the President will face in convincing Republicans to get on board, and he will
need almost every Republican to vote for this bill. Remember, the first time around when the House passed it, it only succeeded by one vote. They
have to vote again because the Senate made such substantial changes to the bill.
And I think, you know, when you look at the Republicans who voted no in the Senate, you do get a good sense of the different cohorts of opposition that
the President could be facing. And so, you had Susan Collins from Maine, Thom Tillis from North Carolina, they both opposed this bill because they
thought it made too deep a cut to Medicaid, the program for Americans who are low income.
They said that it went too far in, sort of slashing the social safety net. They said they couldn't get behind it for that reason. You also had Senator
Rand Paul from Kentucky who voted against it because he thought it raised the deficit too much. Essentially, he thought that this bill cost too much.
And those three senators, you do get a sense of these polar opposite sides of the opposition within the Republican Party that the President will now
have to reconcile once he gets to the House.
And those are viewpoints that a number of Republicans in that chamber of Congress still feel. There are the ultra conservative House Freedom Caucus
members who have already complained that the Senate version of this bill explodes the deficit in a way that the House version did not.
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And then you also hear people who are concerned about the political fallout from taking away people's health insurance, from making it too onerous on a
number of Americans to sign up for some of these programs. There's one estimate that puts the figure, as you pointed out at 11.8 million Americans
who will lose their health insurance because of this bill.
And so, the President still very much has his work cut out for him, but he does remain very confident. He wants it on his desk to sign by Friday. He
was a little shaky on that deadline earlier today, but when you talk to White House officials, they do ultimately believe that this will pass.
SOARES: And just talk us through, we mentioned that very briefly, Kevin, that the spat that seems to have been reignited once more between the
President and Elon Musk over, of course, the Big Beautiful Bill, because that's where it started in the first place. So, whether the White House is,
you know, taking these threats by Musk seriously.
LIPTAK: Well, it sounded like President Trump was taking them seriously. He raised the prospect of potentially cutting some of the government subsidies
for Musk's companies, whether it's SpaceX, whether it's Tesla, whether it's the other entities that he owns, there has not yet been worked to actually
put that down on paper today, according to White House officials.
But obviously, this feud very much reignited between the two men. And it does feel a little bit like deja vu. Remember those couple of weeks ago
when it had seemed as if the two men had reconciled, that had come about with people from both sides of the -- these two men sort of camps,
encouraging them to kiss and make up essentially.
You heard White House officials really encouraging Musk behind the scenes to hold off some of this criticism of the bill. But clearly, now that it is
making its way towards final passage, Musk still very opposed to it, namely, the cutting of subsidies for electric vehicles, which could have a
major effect on his bottom line.
But President Trump, clearly not taking that sitting down. He even raised the prospect today of deporting Elon Musk, that is an extreme option,
doesn't seem clear that that's actually underway. But obviously, no love lost between these two men.
SOARES: My goodness, the drama. Kevin Liptak, appreciate it, thank you very much indeed. Let's get more on all these threads. Our senior political
analyst Ron Brownstein joins me, he's also an opinion columnist for "Bloomberg". Ron, good to see you. Perfect voice for us to discuss all
these threads that Kevin just laid out for us.
Let me start first on the Senate passing this, the Big Beautiful Bill, a big hurdle for President Trump. But we did see the divisions, the holdouts.
Now, it goes, of course, through the Senate. I imagine it would -- now it goes through the House. And I imagine that's relatively easy. Talk us
through that.
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, every President since Reagan has essentially followed this strategy of bundling
together their core economic proposals in a Big Beautiful Bill, a reconciliation bill as it's known during their first year. And basically,
daring their party to sink their -- you know, core domestic agenda.
And, you know, in the past, it has worked. In the end, these bills have always passed. It's sometimes been a real tightrope act at what's been
happening in the last few days really reminds me of Clinton's budget passing in 1993. But what makes this especially difficult for Republicans
is that they are doing two things at once here.
You know, when they cut taxes under Bush in '01 and '03, and again in Trump in '17, it was all sugar, no spinach, just tax cuts. Here for the first
time since 1995, when Newt Gingrich and the Republicans took over Congress for the first time in 40 years, they're trying to cut taxes and cut
spending at the same time. And that makes the winners and losers in this bill very explicit.
The Congressional Budget Office have said that, on balance, families earning less than $76,000 a year will come out as net losers from this
bill, while people in the very top can gain tax cuts of something like 200,000 a year. And when it is put that starkly, it's not shocking that,
you know, it runs into some difficulties getting over the line, because that's now a combination that's very appealing to the American public.
SOARES: And we know that July 4th seems to be the deadline, although that is -- that can be moved as we heard from the President. But the margins in
the House, I am -- I believe, are just as narrow as the Senate. But if this does go through, what will be the cost, you think, to the Republican Party
in the midterms? Does it come at a cost?
BROWNSTEIN: Yes, I think it does. I mean, look, there are elements of this bill that they intend to point to, and that are popular. I mean, ideas like
ending taxes on tips and overtime, and even requiring work from able-bodied adults who are receiving Medicaid. But the totality of the package is
deeply unpopular.
Cutting healthcare benefits for working and middle class families is unpopular on its own. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest is unpopular on its
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When you put the two together, you allow Democrats to make the argument that they are cutting healthcare for people who need it to fund tax cuts
for people who don't. And that is -- that has proven a very difficult argument for Republicans to defend. As I said, the last time they did this
was in 1995.
Bill Clinton turned around his struggling presidency by vetoing that bill and the fight over priorities in the budget put him on pretty much a glide
path to re-election. This is going to be tough, not impossible, but tough for Republicans to defend in a lot of swing districts in 2026 --
SOARES: And we have already seen -- we have already seen Ron, GOP senators Rand Paul, Thom Tillis, Susan Collins voting no on the legislation. Tillis
said he is not seeking re-election, but I think that says a lot about these dissenting voices --
BROWNSTEIN: Yes --
SOARES: And whether there is room or space for the -- in this Republican Party for the dissenting voices. But one of those dissenting voices, and
that's Rand Paul, takes the same -- takes issue with the cost of this bill, which is something we've heard from Elon Musk, which is expected to add
$3.5 trillion over the ten years to national debt.
What do you make of what you heard from Elon Musk today, threatening to tank the political careers of some of -- some of those Republicans who
campaigned on reducing government spending, but then supported the bill? What do you make of that threat, and how would that be received do you
think?
BROWNSTEIN: Well, I do think as I'm -- as I've said, the biggest political threat to this bill is from the center, not the right. I think the idea
that it cuts too much is going to resonate with more voters, and the idea that it cuts too little. I mean, you know, in fact, Elon Musk and Rand Paul
and Ron Johnson were all fully on board with extending the tax cuts at a cost of $4.5 trillion in this bill, which is the principal driver of the
increase in the deficit.
I mean, it makes substantial cuts in spending. It would throw off more people from health insurance than any enacted statute in American history.
So, you know, Musk has a lot of money. There may be very conservative districts where he can run a campaign from the right against members, and
saying that they swell the national debt.
But I think, broadly-speaking, for Republicans, the bigger risk is going to be the voters thought they cut too much to fund tax cuts for the rich, not
that they cut too little while funding tax cuts for the rich.
SOARES: Ron, really appreciate it. Thanks for laying it all out so clearly for our viewers right around the world. Ron Brownstein there. Thank you,
Ron. Now Oxfam, Save the Children, Doctors Without Borders and 160 other aid charities are all calling for the dismantling of a U.S.-Israeli-backed
aid distribution program in Gaza.
They say it's designed to, quote, "sustain a cycle of desperation, danger as well as death." Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed while
approaching aid sites since the program was implemented in May. The charities accused Israeli forces of routinely firing on desperate
civilians, a charge that Israel denies.
The aid groups' joint statement says the following: These areas have become sites of repeated massacres and blatant disregard for international
humanitarian law. Orphaned children and caregivers are among the dead, with children harmed in over half of the attacks on civilians at these sites."
With Gaza's healthcare system in ruins, many of those shot are left to bleed out alone beyond the reach of ambulances and denied life-saving
medical care. A medic in Gaza calls the program a curse. Have a listen.
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SAMIR ABU MASHEYEKH, PALESTINIAN MEDIC (through translator): This aid has become a curse on the Palestinian people, and is not assistance to the
people. I hope that any donor agency, such as the American state that provided aid, will find a better mechanism than that, such as international
institutions to provide aid to the people with respect and without humiliation. Because this is humiliation aid stained with the blood of the
Palestinian people.
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SOARES: Well, just a short time ago, U.S. President Donald Trump said he believes a ceasefire agreement for Gaza could be reached next week. He
didn't say if it might coincide with Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to the White House, that is happening on Monday. The Israeli Prime Minister set to
convene another meeting of his top security officials soon to discuss the next steps in the war.
His government is, though, as we've been telling you on the show, divided with one far-right minister today insisting the war won't end until Hamas
is defeated. President Trump told reporters that Mr. Netanyahu wants a ceasefire.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How firm are you going to be with Netanyahu about ending the war in Gaza?
TRUMP: Very firm and very firm, but he wants it too. I will tell you, he's coming here next week. He wants to end it too.
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SOARES: Let's get more on this. Jeremy Diamond is following all these developments tonight for us from Jerusalem. So, Jeremy, as we played
President Trump saying there, you know, that he's looking for a Gaza deal next week, and that he'll be firm on Gaza when he meets with Netanyahu also
next week.
Speak to the pressures, though, on Prime Minister Netanyahu, because we have been hearing this week from members of his party, the more far-right
voices within his party who were very much opposed to a ceasefire. Speak to those pressures.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and I think this week is really critical to determining how far Prime Minister Netanyahu will be
willing to go. What kind of an agreement he will be willing to agree to when he goes to Washington next week? This is almost a week where he's
figuring out, A, you know, the considerations from his security officials, the Israeli military, which seems to have been encouraging the Prime
Minister to go for a ceasefire now.
Warnings being reported in Israeli media by the Israeli military chief of staff about the danger to the hostages lives if the war is prolonged. But
then on the other side, you have the Prime Minister also dealing with the political elements within his own governing coalition, including the voices
like the Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich, the National Security Minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, who don't want to end the war, who want to focus
on defeating Hamas and prolonging the war to that effect.
And so, this is the week where Prime Minister Netanyahu is really trying to sort out his domestic component, including his domestic political
component, to figure out what is actually feasible for him to agree to next week. And to that end, he's had a series of meetings with senior Israeli
government officials this week, the next one will come on Thursday as he meets with his security cabinet then.
And then just a few days after that, he will indeed fly to Washington, where he will meet with President Trump, who has made it quite clear that
his desire is to see the war in Gaza end, that he believes that a ceasefire agreement is possible by next week. And where Prime Minister Netanyahu will
also be discussing what else comes along with the ceasefire deal in Gaza.
We know that he's going there for trade negotiations with Washington. He is also going to be talking about the potential to expand the Abraham Accords.
We know that discussions have been happening with Syria about the potential for normalized relations between Israel and Syria going forward.
And, of course, the big fish in all of this, Isa, is that normalization agreement with Saudi Arabia, whether or not that is on the table as well
remains to be seen. But certainly, there is the potential for a lot to happen. I do want to close with this, and that is the concerns that I'm
hearing now from the families of the hostages, as there is this chatter on the one hand about the potential to end the war, bring all of the hostages
home.
On the other hand, there is also -- there are also still these voices talking about a partial agreement, talking about that 60-day ceasefire that
we get about half of the living, half of the deceased hostages back. The families are concerned that people will be left behind if the government
does not go for a full deal and an end to the war. Isa?
SOARES: Very important to add that, of course, all those families waiting for their loved ones, to see their loved ones. Jeremy, appreciate it, thank
you very much indeed. Well, as Russia war -- as Russia's war in Ukraine continues, I'll be joined by the Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski
to unpack the latest developments.
Plus, we have been seeing record-breaking temperatures right across much of Europe, in fact, even here in the U.K., we go live to Portugal for a look
at conditions there. That's next.
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SOARES: Well, here in London, the heat is on at Wimbledon, literally following Monday's hottest start on record, it's now at 34 degree Celsius
or 91 Fahrenheit, roughly. But we're not alone right here in the U.K., we're one of many countries affected by the heat wave that is currently
sweeping right across Europe. People all over the continent are bracing for record temperatures, with 20 countries facing heat alerts today in Italy,
Spain and Greece, the heat is pushing above 40 degree Celsius or 104 Fahrenheit.
In France and in Germany, temperatures are climbing 15 to 20 degrees higher than normal for the first day of July. Meantime, wildfires have been
raging. We brought you some of the images yesterday. These continue. More than 50,000 people had to evacuate in parts of Turkey as the flames
continue to spread there.
Experts blame climate change as these temperatures continue to peak right across Europe. And the Summer heat broke records in England and Spain for
the month of June, and the sweltering temperatures are impacting everything, really, from transportation, I can tell you, it took me longer
to get to work to normal work days. Our Melissa Bell has more for you from Paris.
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MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): This is one of Paris' main train stations, the Gare Saint-Lazare. And you can see people
have come out to distribute water to passengers. But perhaps more importantly, in a bigger reflection of the impact of this heat wave on
cities like Paris that are simply not used to coping with temperatures like this, is that all the trains are now at a standstill and will be for the
next several hours because we're told, the heat has impacted the rail network.
It is a reminder amongst so many others of some of these very difficult conditions being faced across Europe as a result of this heat wave, not
just high temperatures of more than 140 degrees in many parts of Europe this Tuesday from Italy, Spain, Greece and France. But it is also that this
heat wave, which has come at an earlier time than many of the heat waves we've seen in previous years, 2023, '24, had already seen record set as
experts told us.
This is a new normal. This time, the heat has come earlier, and of course, that means greater risks of dangers looking ahead, if this continues to be
a very hot Summer of wildfires and all the other difficulties linked to extreme heat conditions, as Europe settles into what is in its normal
Europe, which is currently the fastest warming continent in the world. Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.
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SOARES: And we've seen, of course, the effects of that with wildfires, if you remember this time last year. Well, the heat wave is also setting
record temperatures across countries like Portugal, residents are doing what they can to find some shade and a cool spot. Let's get more from
Lisbon with CNN Portugal's Joao Povoa Marinheiro.
And Joao, look, I know it's a very British thing to talk about the weather, but the reality is, you know, end of June, early July when you're looking
at temperatures as high as they were. My mother -- my mum was telling me in Portugal, it was 45 degrees where she was. These are incredibly dangerous
and very early on in Summer season to be seeing this.
JOAO POVOA MARINHEIRO, CNN PORTUGAL NEWS ANCHOR: Well that's right, Isa. We had 46.6 degree Celsius verified in the south of the country, that was
close to an all-time country high of 47.3, that was 20 years ago. Obviously, as you mentioned, Portuguese are used to high temperatures,
especially during these months, we're in the season of Summer in July and August, we're used to this kind of temperatures.
But this time, it feels a bit warmer, a bit different. It's obviously related to a high pressure system that's blocking air masses, which kind of
stimulates an atmospheric oven, so, it makes the temperatures warmer. The thing is, that hasn't, you know, stopped people in the last couple of days
of venturing into the terraces and the beaches.
Beaches were packed despite public officials recommendations for not being exposed to direct -- to direct temperatures, especially during prime hours.
We saw this during the weekend, which is quite a normal image. Things haven't changed much in terms of public organization since schools are out
for Summer.
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Obviously, this happened during the weekend, which made people -- Portuguese people weren't working that much during the weekend. Obviously,
several regions out of Portugal's territorial continent's regions were placed under red alert. That's the highest alert for extreme weather. This
obviously implies major risks for wildfires.
What we've seen in the last couple of days, there weren't many wildfires, especially due to the firefighters experience in the last couple of years,
especially during the first stage of the attacks on the wildfires. But we did see a big wildfire yesterday in the south of Portugal. But that is
probably related to arson. A man was arrested, so police are suspicious of arson in that case.
But temperatures will drop as of tomorrow. The wind will pick up some pace, this obviously brings cooler weather, but still, Portuguese authorities are
on the alert for wildfires.
SOARES: Yes, as we've seen -- as we've seen. We're seeing it right now in Turkey, of course, we've seen it repeatedly over the Summer's --
MARINHEIRO: Yes --
SOARES: Not just in Portugal, also in Greece, those concerns of wildfires. Authorities, like you said, will be on high alert for that. (SPEAKING IN
FOREIGN LANGUAGE), thank you very much --
MARINHEIRO: Yes --
SOARES: (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE), good to see you. And still to come tonight, Ukraine answers Russia's massive weekend attack, reportedly
striking a missile factory deep inside Russia. We have the details for you just ahead. And a prominent voice on issues ranging from global conflict to
EU trade, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski joins me live from Warsaw in Poland. That is next.
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SOARES: Welcome back, everyone. Three people were reportedly killed and dozens more injured early Tuesday after Ukraine struck missile production
facility deep inside Russia. Russian officials say the missile hit the factory in the industrial city of Izhevsk. Video from social media captured
explosions and people running, as you can see there, from the blasts. A Ukrainian source tell CNN that Ukraine used long-range drones to strike the
plant. And this comes after Ukrainian reports that Russia launched its largest known drone attack on Kyiv since this full-scale war started.
I want to take you to Warsaw now and bring in Poland's foreign minister Radek Sikorski for perspective on the latest fighting between Ukraine and
Russia and of course much more. Foreign Minister, good to have you back on the show.
Let me start with those strikes deep inside Russia, because they come just a day or so after Keith Kellogg, the U.S. senior envoy for Ukraine, said on
X, I'm going to quote him here, "Russia cannot continue to stall for time while it bombs civilian targets in Ukraine." Do you agree with that? And
what pressure can U.S., can Europe put on Putin to stop the stalling game?
RADEK SIKORSKI, POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER: I completely agree with General Kellogg, and in fact, this is the vein in which I spoke at the NATO Summit
last week in the presence of Secretary Rubio. Vladimir Putin is mocking the peace efforts of President Trump. He's increased his attacks on civilian
targets in Ukraine since President Trump started his peace effort, and he's doubled them again since Israel and the U.S. attack on Iran. So, I hope the
U.S. now does the right thing in response to Russian intransigence and war crimes.
SOARES: And I've seen this intransigence, it hasn't really moved at all because we are seen Putin -- the French president, Emmanuel Macron, we
understand, in the last, what, half an hour or so, held a call with President Macron, the first call since September, 2022. And Putin told
Macron that any agreement to end the war would, quote, "have to be based on new territorial realities."
That -- it doesn't seem, Foreign Minister, like the -- we've moved at all when it comes to bringing -- forcing Putin to negotiating table. So, what
else would work here?
SIKORSKI: Well, I hope the Lindsey Graham bill gets attention in U.S. Congress because that would, for the first time since the assumption of
office by President Trump, put some extra pressure on Putin. He only responds to pressure.
SOARES: Let me put to you what I heard you say, and I thought it was really interesting. I heard you say, and I think this was at NATO, you can correct
me, that the closer you are to Russia, the more you spend. I mean, that is certainly the case for Poland. You are the biggest spender, as a
percentage, I think of GDP. But there are concerns, Foreign Minister, that while an agreement may have been signed here and agreed at NATO, that there
could be a slippage in the spending target with some countries. We're looking at a graphic of some of the NATO spending as a share of GDP.
Is this something that concerns Poland? And what reassurances, if any, have you received on this front?
SIKORSKI: Well, first of all, remember that as non-U.S. NATO members, we have already doubled our defense spending since President Trump first
assumed office. What we would -- we have now pledged ourselves to do to is to double again. If we do that, we'll be at the same level of spending as
the United States, and that should be enough to deter Putin, which is why we should do it.
SOARES: Are you OK though with Spain significantly lowering spending? Because we did hear from the Spanish prime minister saying they're not
going to meet the percentage they need to meet. Prime Minister Sanchez saying, you know, he -- I think he said that during the NATO Summit, they
wouldn't go there. They would spend 2.1 percent of his GDP on defense. Are you OK with that?
SIKORSKI: Well, it's true that Spain has never been occupied by Russia. But Spain faces other risks. Russia is conducting a hybrid war against all of
the West, and that includes arsons, that includes death squads, that includes espionage, it includes meddling in Africa where Russia has used
Africa's own resources to undermine governments and to create mass migration. And that's certainly something that Spain is concerned about.
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SOARES: And speaking of threats, last week, Foreign Minister, you were quoted in the media saying that increased spending on nature defense would
lead to collapse of Russia. Yesterday, Russia's foreign minister said NATO countries were responding to what he called an imaginary threat, and they
increased defense spending would lead to the collapse of NATO. I mean, which side is spending too much on weaponry here? Just your reaction to
that.
SIKORSKI: Well, first of all, the threat from Russia is not imaginary because we can see it every day. You know, sometimes when they bomb
Ukraine, we in Poland, can hear it. And we've already had Russian missiles and Russian drones breaching our airspace. So, for us, it's a daily reality
and not a piece of imagination.
And secondly Russia is spending far more than NATO has pledged itself to do. There are various estimates. But 6, 7, 8 percent of GDP Russia is
spending. And of course, we are much richer than Russia. You know, our combined economies are more than 20 times bigger than Russia. So, we can
afford it. And they are treading the path of the former Soviet Union. You know, the reason why my comment landed in Russia is that I was quoting
Vladimir Putin himself, who some years ago said that the Soviet Union bankrupted itself and he's now going down the same sinkhole.
SOARES: Let me stay with Poland for a moment because I understand your country, Foreign Minister, is going to impose tempering controls on borders
with Germany and Lithuanian. And I think it begins as of July 7th. Just explain to our viewers why Poland's doing this. How long would it last? I
know it's not the only country, but why now and how long were these temporary measures, temporary controls last?
SIKORSKI: Well, Germany imposed controls in October 23 under the treaty in the E.U. that governs it. You can do it temporarily, but it's almost two
years, and it's also tightened procedures recently. We have won battle over the control of our border with Belarus. Russia and Belarus on purpose. They
bring migrants from Asia, Africa and try to push them into the E.U. We have spent over half a billion euros building a big and beautiful fence with
sensors, and it's 98 percent effective.
But unfortunately, some of our neighbors, Lithuania and Latia, have not quite done it yet. And so, some migrants have been redirected that way,
which is why that, unfortunately, we're having to introduce this measure. Poland is in favor of free movement across the territory of the E.U., but
everybody have to do their share.
SOARES: But you have a -- do you have a sense, Foreign Minister, of how long this temporary measure will last? I know the Germany has last way more
than was expected. But do you -- is there a timeframe, time limit here?
SIKORSKI: That will depend on the flows of migrants. As I said, it stopped on the Polish-Belarusian border despite the Belarusian regime's best
efforts. So, we need to take control, and we are doing it. And when we -- when our people have a sense of security, then -- and when we amend our
legislation procedures in Europe and regain the ability to decide who may or may not travel, then the controls will become superfluous.
SOARES: Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski. Thank you very much, Foreign Minister. Great to have you back on the show.
SIKORSKI: Pleasure. Bye.
SOARES: Thank you. And still to come tonight, as France bids adieu to cigarettes in public spaces, some are not happy about it. When the smoke
clears, will smokers comply? We'll take a look, next.
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SOARES: American televangelist, pardon me, Jimmy Swaggart has died at the age of 90. Swaggart built a multimillion-dollar ministry across the U.S.
back in the 1980s. The Louisiana native grew up poor but rose to nationwide fame as a captivating Pentecostal television preacher. In 1988, he was
caught with a prostitute in New Orleans. He infamously went on television to tearfully apologize to his parishioners. Swaggart continued to preach.
And in later years was often joined by son, Donnie. His death was announced on his official Facebook page.
The judge overseeing Sean Diddy Combs sex trafficking trial has been meeting with defense as well as prosecution lawyers today discussing
responses to requests from the jury. Earlier, jurors asked for guidance about how the distribution of controlled substances is legally defined. The
jury's now into their second day of deliberation. CNN, of course, will keep you up to date on any developments as soon as they happen.
Well, this case has kept many trial watches riveted really from day one with so many salacious details and haring witness testimony that we've even
brought you here on the show. And plenty, of course, of social media influencers have taken notice as well. Live streaming their thoughts on the
proceedings right alongside the more traditional media outlet CNN's Brynn Gingras has a story.
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MS. PLEASANT, LIVE STREAMER: We're down here at the Diddy trial.
BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Meet Ms. Pleasant, a.k.a. maker of "Da Pop-Off Show" on YouTube.
MS. PLEASANT: We're going to do a fit check.
GINGRAS (voice-over): She's one of nearly a dozen live streamers you'll find outside the federal courthouse in New York City. While inside, Sean
Diddy Combs sits on trial, facing life behind bars.
MS. PLEASANT: Hey, what's up, what's up? It's your girl, Neek.
GINGRAS (voice-over): Rain or shine, here for the past eight weeks.
GINGRAS: What compels you to actually be here every day?
MS. PLEASANT: I'm nosy. It has celebrity, it has sex, it has crime, it has drugs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, you look nice today, Mama Combs. You stepping.
GINGRAS: How many followers did you have at the start of this versus how many you have now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had about maybe like 5000 or so. Right now, I got about 16,000. So, I gained about maybe like 11,000 or so. GINGRAS: That's
pretty good.
GINGRAS (voice-over): Many have amassed a huge following.
GINGRAS: You just read these comments? What's going on?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm reading the comments. I'm interacting with the people.
GINGRAS (voice-over): By giving unedited access to the chaos surrounding the courthouse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you see more of these, just do one of these.
GINGRAS: Are you live streaming all that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we're live, man. We're all live.
GINGRAS (voice-over): Some streamers read courtroom transcripts word for word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He kept his money, he kept his wallet.
GINGRAS (voice-over): This man reads off his own handwritten notes. Others chase down witnesses and Combs' family members.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just now, I just had to run when the girls came. So I'm also doing the journalism. We're doing that.
But then I'm doing the TMZ and I'm getting on happy feet, sliding in for the count to catch my little footage.
GINGRAS: So, you're capturing everything?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm doing everything.
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NIQUE LACLAIRE, CONTENT CREATOR: There is a type of way that we can talk to them that legacy media probably can't really give an opinion. They can't,
you know, we can be like, I wasn't feeling that or I didn't like that. And they feel a relatability.
Oh, you're on live too. Oh, hi.
Multiple batteries, multiple chargers in case one breaks.
GINGRAS: Yes.
GINGRAS (voice-over): Kealoha Connor was in marketing before a friend convinced her to step in front of the phone and live stream.
KEALOHA CONNOR, LIVE STREAMER: Guys, P. Diddy trial update.
First day I was like, it's not going to be anything. And then boom, like that first day I peaked at 20,000 and some change on people.
GINGRAS (voice-over): Now she's not looking back.
CONNOR: I want to go into journalism now because of all this.
GINGRAS: Are you able to monetize yet on this?
CONNOR: Yes, I was able to monetize on this one day one.
LACLAIRE: I do also get people who want to donate. They give cash apps.
And on YouTube, there's a thing called super chats. They want to support your journey in any way that they can.
GINGRAS (voice-over): The trial now in the hands of jurors with arguably more people tuned in for the verdict than ever before.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is as big as the O.J. trial. We do want to get closure and understand what this case is going to be. You know what I mean?
What is it going to wrap up to be?
GINGRAS (voice-over): Brynn Gingras, CNN, New York.
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SOARES: Very interesting indeed. Thanks to Brynn Gingras for that report. Well, jury deliberations are also underway in Australia's so-called
mushroom murder trial. Prosecutors accused Erin Patterson of feeding poisonous mushrooms to her estranged husband's family. Three family members
died and one survived. The prosecution says the 50-year-old Patterson used death cap mushrooms in a beef Wellington lunch she had made. Patterson
denies any wrongdoing and her defense team calls it a terrible accident. The charges carry a life sentence.
We'll take you to France now because it is ending its longtime love affair with cigarettes. The country's ban on smoking public began earlier on
Tuesday. And it applies to places like beaches, parks, as well as sports venues. Our Saskya Vandoorne looks at France's historic move.
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SASKYA VANDOORNE, CNN SENIOR PRODUCER (voice-over): This is the country that turned cigarettes into high art, but --
VANDOORNE: Lighting up under the Eiffel Tower or in the Jardin des Tuileriesis now illegal.
VANDOORNE (voice-over): And it could cost you 135 euros. The government's aim, a tobacco free generation by 2032.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel like it's a big liberty torn away from us, from French people, because we smoke a lot and it's just because we like it and
I feel like it'd be pretty hard to enforce too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I find the forbidden boring.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why they smoke?
VANDOORNE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the stress. Maybe the stress or the ritual with the aperitif and so on. It goes together.
VANDOORNE: Can we have a smoke generation?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is never going to happen.
VANDOORNE (voice-over): And now, France is making history, the first European country to ban cigarettes on all beaches nationwide. Starting July
1st, smoking will also be banned in public gardens and anywhere near schools.
A lofty goal for a country that a generation ago had children staging tributes to (INAUDIBLE), cigarettes, and all.
Jean-Paul Belmondo made it look cool in "A Bout De Souffle", a cigarette hanging from his lips in nearly every scene. Coco Chanel smoked 50 a day.
And Brigitte Bardot (INAUDIBLE). But tobacco use in France has actually been on the decline in recent years. Smoking is at its lowest level in more
than two decades, with 23 percent of the adult population lighting up daily.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Think about the freedom of those next to you. For example, there are children who don't want to smoke.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, I can understand for the children and for health reasons.
VANDOORNE: Still, there's one sacred space the law won't touch (INAUDIBLE). And French people, especially for regions are breathing a smoky sigh of
relief because banning cigarettes there, that would be a step too far, even for a changing France.
Saskya Vandoorne, CNN, Paris.
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SOARES: And our thanks to Saskya Vandoorne for that report. And still to come tonight, another sweltering day at Wimbledon, but still all to play
for. We'll bring you the very latest from day two, next.
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SOARES: Well, here in the U.K. the temperatures may be high, but so are the hopes of the top tennis professionals at Wimbledon battling it out for a
second day at the competition. Earlier on, world number one, Jannik Sinner, fought his way to the second-round win with a win over Luca Nardi. But day
two is still not over for some players. Coco Gauff is also taking to the court today as is seven-time champion Novak Djokovic, as he chases his 25th
Grand Slam.
Here to help us weigh up the odds is our Don Riddell. And, Don, Novak Djokovic beginning his quest for the elusive, of course, 25th -- breaking
25th major title. I know you're keeping a close eye on it. How is he looking right now?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes. Hey, Isa. He is looking great so far. He is just won his first set against Alexandre Muller in fairly short order,
six games to one in that first set. This might be Djokovic's last Wimbledon championship, which is remarkable to say, given that he's still extremely
competitive. He's made it to the semifinals in his last two majors. But he set a sort of a precautionary farewell at Roland-Garros a few weeks ago in
case he doesn't make it back to Paris. So, this could also be his final Wimbledon, but he would very much like to go out on a high. And so far,
making it look rather straightforward.
The temperatures have been climbing at Wimbledon. We've been saying that over the last couple of days as Northern Europe, basks in a heat wave. But
the top seeds are falling. It's been absolute carnage in the men's draw with four top 10 players already out in the first round. The highest of
which was the third seed Zverev, who was beaten in five sets by the Frenchman Arthur Rinderknech. So, a huge, huge upset there.
And we've seen a lot of seeds falling in the women's draw. Three top 10 players out already. Two of them in the top five. We've already said
goodbye to the third seed Jessica Pegula. She was beaten by a player, ranked well outside the top 100. Pegula described that as the biggest or
the worst result of the year.
Also, the fifth seed Qinwen Zheng, the Chinese player who won the Olympics just last year, she was dumped out in the first round. Perhaps not a huge
surprise given that that same fate has befall her in each of the last three years. The defending champion of the women's draw, Barbora Krejcikova, she
did drop a set in her first-round match, but she was able to successfully get herself through to the second round.
And all eyes shortly will be on Coco Gauff. Of course, this prodigious talented young American player who's just coming off the back of winning a
thrilling French Open final, her second major title. She's not had much experience on grass this summer yet. She's only played one match and lost
it. Obviously, she's been dealing with, you know, all the accolades and all the glory and all the kind of media interviews that came with winning the
French Open. So, she's getting her Wimbledon Championship started without much grass court experience under her belt this summer. She's only ever
made it to the fourth round in this tournament. She's the second seed, and will be hoping to go much further this year. Coco Gauff will be on court
later today.
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SOARES: Wonderful to see her play. Very quickly, we're running out of time here, but a minute or so, how is the weather impacting some of the games,
you think, some of the plays we've seen today? You're talking about -- some of the seeds falling through. How much is weather playing a part in this?
Because it has been, I mean, record-breaking heat at Wimbledon.
RIDDELL: Yes. Well, I mean, I would say tennis players are used to playing in the heat. They play all over the world. You know, I would imagine that
if anybody's going to struggle, it's going to be the fans who have to sit outside for extended periods of time.
But, I mean, certainly, the players are taking every precaution that you would expect. Lots of hydration, lots of ice packs. We've seen kind of
pictures of, you know, players staying in the shade when they can. It's not much fun playing in temperatures like that, but if any athlete is used to,
it is tennis players.
SOARES: The fans, Don. I mean, it is champagne, strawberries, and cream and a hat. It shouldn't be that difficult. That's for another discussion. Don,
good to see you as always.
RIDDELL: Yes.
SOARES: And that does it for this hour right here. I will be back though at the top of the hour with "What We Know," that's next. It's Tuesday, right
here.
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