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John Mayer`s Controversial Remarks; Interview With Kim, Khloe Kardashian
Aired February 11, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, singer John Mayer takes a swipe at ex Jennifer Aniston, shares his love of pornography and compares his penis to a white supremacist. Happy Valentine`s Day.
Then the Kardashian girls are having a good year. They`ve got TV shows, fragrances and world champion athletes at home. It`s not easy keeping up with these two but I`ll give it a shot when they join me.
And want to meet a millionaire without having to join the Republican National Committee? Patti Stanger, Bravo`s "Millionaire Matchmaker" will tell us how.
That and more, right now.
Singer John Mayer is in damage control overdrive after giving a Playboy interview and using the "N" word. Mayer also shared his love of pornography, compared his penis to a white supremacist and compared former lover Jessica Simpson to a drug. Here`s another drug he want to try -- thorazine. Just saying.
Joining me to discuss this are editor-in-chief of "Maxim" the lovely Joe Levy; President and CEO of the Britto Agency, Marvet Britto; and comedienne Karith Foster. Welcome to the show you guys.
Let`s start with what John Mayer said to Playboy, ok. I`ll read it out loud.
"I come on very strong," he said. "That`s why black people love me. Someone asked me the other day, what does it feel like now to have a hood pass?" And by the way, "it`s sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it an "N" pass." But he used the whole word which I find distasteful so I`m not going to say it.
What do you -- how do you feel about what he said, Marvet?
MARVET BRITTO, THE BRITTO AGENCY: Apart from being disgusted by what he said, I mean, it -- I was shocked by what he said. You know, you never get a pass if you`re outside of being an African-American to use that word. As shameful as the word is, even that many in our community use it, any person outside of our community will never be given a pass to use that word.
So I was really shocked and disappointed because many of us -- are fans of John Mayer, were fans of John Mayer --
BEHAR: Right.
BRITTO: -- so I think it was gratuitous and it was unnecessary to really even bring up the word in the context of his interview when he was asked the question about whether or not he dated black women. It`s just was -- was hurtful.
BEHAR: What do you think he was trying to say? He seemed to be trying to say something.
KARITH FOSTER, COMEDIAN: First of all what is a hood pass? I`ve never seen one does it looks like Flavor Flav (INAUDIBLE). I don`t know.
BEHAR: I think, oh I would assume --
FOSTER: But --
BEHAR: -- that it means that the black community accepts him.
FOSTER: Yes --
BEHAR: I think that`s what --
FOSTER: -- we did -- we did --
BEHAR: Yes.
FOSTER: -- for a while there.
But when he went and said it and he did say the whole word, he didn`t even add an "a" like Eminem would have done. He completely went and lost the audience that -- that really loved him. And you know, I find it --
BEHAR: It`s over for him, Karith?
FOSTER: I don`t think it`s completely over. And there`s always room for redemption. It`s just he`s ignorant. And if ignorance equals racist then --
BEHAR: But -- do you think he`s racist, Levy?
JOE LEVY, EDITOR IN CHIEF, MAXIM: He - he -- you know what? Here`s what I`m going to say.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: First, let`s mention that he went on to apologize today and then let`s not accept his apology. Second, what he goes on to say in that interview is actually stupid, condescending and racist, like a typical white guy who makes no effort to understand anyone else, he goes on to say, "Hey what is being black? It`s making the most out of your life despite your struggles."
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: -- which is incredibly stupid.
BEHAR: It is.
LEVY: You know what?
BEHAR: Why does everything have to be about race anyway?
LEVY: Well, in this case, it`s what he was talking about, he was trying to be funny when he used the "N" word. It`s not funny.
BEHAR: He`s not funny. It gets worse actually.
LEVY: It`s gets much worse.
BEHAR: Playboy asked him "Do black women throw themselves at you." This is what he said, quote, "I don`t think I open myself to it. My (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is sort of like a white supremacist. I`ve got a Benetton heart and a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) David Duke (EXPLETIVE DELETED)."
Now that will all be bleeped.
FOSTER: Good, that would be great.
BEHAR: And since they were showing the word, no one can even read my lips.
Should we be mad at him for saying that? I`m assuming it`s only a tiny part of him that`s he`s saying is racist. Is that it?
FOSTER: And that`s to say --
BEHAR: Yes.
FOSTER: -- if he has a David Duke you know what, then Miss Angela Davis, the JJ will not be purchasing anymore of his CDs.
BEHAR: Ok, are you insulted about the fact that he doesn`t get turned on by black women? That`s part of what he`s saying, that he didn`t get excited --
LEVY: Yes, I`m insulted.
BEHAR: You`re insulted, yes.
LEVY: I am, I`m insulted, I`m pretty insulted by that.
BEHAR: Yes. But why did have to say it though?
BRITTO: Yes, that the fact that he would peel back the -- the wounds of -- and introduce individuals who are -- have caused great detriment to the African-America community --
BEHAR: Yes.
BRITTO: -- and then make an analogy to his you know what is unbelievable to me.
BEHAR: Yes.
BRITTO: So to say that, to bring up David Duke, to bring up white supremacy and then equate it to whether or not black women are interested in you is beyond ignorant.
FOSTER: Right.
BRITTO: It`s beyond ignorant and unnecessary.
BEHAR: It`s not -- I`m not attracted to Yo-Yo Ma, do I have to say I don`t like little Chinese men.
LEVY: You`re not attracted to the Yo-Yo Ma?
BEHAR: No.
LEVY: What is the matter with you?
BEHAR: I mean, I think he`s brilliant but I don`t get turned on by Yo-Yo Ma. Call me kooky.
He also apologized during his concert last night saying that he was trying to be clever in the interview. Take a look.
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(JOHN MAYER APOLOGIZING)
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BEHAR: Oh he`s giving me such a headache. Is his apology enough?
BRITTO: No, it`s not enough.
BEHAR: It`s not.
BRITTO: And he pointed to his back -- black background singers and his black band members and said I thank you for gracing the stage with me. Are you kidding me?
Yes, he should be forgiven if he apologized but to me, apologies are really what you do when you get caught in the act.
He didn`t apologize because he was really remorseful. From the mouth the heart speaks. So I believe that John Mayer spoke what he felt in his heart.
BEHAR: Ok, all right, let me ask you something else. He also talked about some of his former girlfriends. He said that Jessica Simpson was like sexual napalm?
LEVY: Yes, that -- and that -- that`s what you want is something that burns you and kills you when you have sex. What I`m looking for is can I be covered with something that will then ignite and kill me?
BEHAR: Do you think she takes that as a compliment?
LEVY: Do we care? Honestly no, I don`t think she takes it as a compliment.
BEHAR: And worse Karith, she said that Jennifer Aniston is quote, "Still hoping he goes back to 1998" and that she saw his involvement in technology is courting distraction and he told her these are the new rules. Doesn`t this make all this stupid? And he also is like making a point about how she`s older than him and she`s about 10 years older or something.
That`s another little nasty thing against one of his ex-girlfriends.
FOSTER: He has diarrhea of the mouth --
LEVY: He does.
FOSTER: -- and he needs a muzzle and he needs to grow up and he needs to go to charm school. He is not a gentleman. You do not kiss and tell and you do not, you know, behave the way that he was doing. Jennifer Aniston was right to dump his sorry you know what.
LEVY: Yes, I mean, if you read the whole interview, he goes out of his way to say in the Aniston relationship he was to blame, he was at fault, she`s a fantastic person.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
LEVY: And whether in the -- look, he`s pointing to a generational divide there saying, I like Twitter, I embrace social media --
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: -- she doesn`t. She wants the world to go back to the way it was. Actually, I`m kind of with her there, but I`m kind of with her there because anything that keeps John Mayer`s words out of my mouth, out of my ears, out of my eyes --
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
LEVY: I`m -- I`m -- that`s a step in the right direction.
BEHAR: Marvet, you`re a publicist, is this -- how bad is this going to badly -- is this going to hurt his image on the street?
BRITTO: You know, I think it`s pretty damaging. I think that others have done far worse. And you know, Sinead O`Connor in her comments and you know and others that have said racist comments sadly though, we all know that it`ll be business as usual tomorrow. Other communities tend to bond together and shamefully sometimes we are more forgiving as a people --
BEHAR: I think the black community is very forgiving.
BRITTO: We`re very forgiving --
BEHAR: Yes I know.
BRITTO: And so he will be forgiven and he did apologized, but it still doesn`t change what he said.
BEHAR: Ok, thanks very much, you guys.
We`ll be back in 60 seconds with Kim Kardashian.
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BEHAR: They are models, TV stars --and I love this word --cele- butants. But they are best known as sister on E`s hit reality show "Keeping up with the Kardashians".
Joining me now are Kim Kardashian and Khloe Kardashian Odom. Hi, girls. How are you, there`s your sister you were saying --
KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STARS: Hi Khloe.
BEHAR: -- you haven`t seen her, say hi.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STARS: Hi, Kimmy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I missed you.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I missed you too.
BEHAR: Khloe, you were on "The View" already so I know you.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I know. How are you?
BEHAR: I`m ok, I`m very good. Kim, now that the saints -- you`re engaged to the Saints -- Reggie Bush from the Saints, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: We`re not engaged --
BEHAR: You`re not engaged?
KIM KARDASHIAN: No. But we`ve been together for like three years. But it`s a rumor, I swear we`ve been engaged like 60 times this week.
BEHAR: Well, what`s holding it up?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t know. You should ask him, he`s back at the hotel.
BEHAR: Well they won the Super Bowl, isn`t it time now to get the ring?
KIM KARDASHIAN: There`s like a crazy rumor going on that if he won the Super Bowl he would propose to me. And he swore -- he said it before, I said -- I want him to have his moment with his ring and when the time is right. I`ve been there. I want to take it slow.
BEHAR: Been there, done that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, been there, done at. But I definitely do want to get married. I just want to make sure that it`s right. And it`s right with him. We`re just in our 20s, we`re supposed to be getting (INAUDIBLE).
BEHAR: Right. Take your time.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Take our time.
BEHAR: So Khloe, I know that you are married to Laker Lamar Odom.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Because you were on our show talking about it. And you only knew him I think two months when you got married.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Two weeks.
BEHAR: Two weeks.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I married him 30 days to the day that I met him. When I did your show, I think I was married about a week.
BEHAR: What was the rush exactly?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You know what? That`s a great question. I don`t really know what the rush was. I do know that he was starting his season September 29th. I was starting filming September 29th. He just said he wanted to make sure we lasted forever and that we got married before all the chaos happened. But I think we caused more chaos than saved more chaos for us.
BEHAR: All four of you are big stars. And you know, it`s interesting to me because they`re both African-American, you guys are Caucasian, and yet it doesn`t mean anything anymore. It`s kind of nice to see that.
In the old days, they had laws against this type of thing, being married. And now it`s just de rigueur as they say, which is a good thing.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. I think we were raised to not even see color. And we grew up with such, you know, a wide variety of all different races. We`re Armenian so we grew up with --
BEHAR: On both sides or just one?
KIM KARDASHIAN: On one, but my mom -- we just grew up I guess with such, you know, strong Armenian culture in our life. So we were just taught to not to see color.
BEHAR: That`s good. And Khloe, I want to ask you something, is it ever ok for a white person to use the N word the way John Mayer did this week? What do you think? Is that ok?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: No. I personally don`t think it`s ever ok. I was taught to never say words like that. I don`t like saying -- I`ve never said words like that. I just don`t think it`s ok to say that. I really don`t think it`s ok when anyone says it but --
BEHAR: Well, the rappers like to use the word. The rappers and I think it`s the rappers. They`re either writing songs or wrapping gifts in Bloomingdales. I never know the difference.
Ok ladies. Don`t go anywhere. More with the Kardashians in a minute.
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BEHAR: We`re back with the sisters Kardashian. I like that -- like the Brothers Karamazov you know.
Now, Khloe is married. You`ve got a guy. Your sister Kourtney just had a baby. She`s the youngest, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: No, she`s the oldest.
BEHAR: Oh, she`s the oldest. All right.
KIM KARDASHIAN: She looks the youngest.
BEHAR: I can`t keep up with the Kardashians.
But now the pressure is on, isn`t it? Don`t you girls feel like she has a baby now, you have to get married and Khloe has to have a baby now. What`s up with that?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t even really feel pressure. I just feel like -- you know my mom was pressuring one of us to have a baby and Kourtney --
BEHAR: She did it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: So I think the pressure is off a little bit. I just feel like so blessed and I`m in a really good, normal relationship and we`re just having so much fun really. With the amount of rumors people spread that we`re married, we`re getting engaged -- we are engaged, we just really don`t feel the pressure.
BEHAR: How about you, Khloe, do you feel the pressure of a baby?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I feel pressure to have a baby from my husband more than from my family.
BEHAR: Oh he`s pushing it. He wants a baby?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes, he wants a baby right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, give him one Khloe.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I want one summer with my husband alone. We haven`t even been on a honeymoon. I want to be able to go on a honeymoon with him where I`m not large and in charge.
BEHAR: You can`t really just go on a honeymoon when you`re well known the way you are. Everybody will see you. The paparazzi will be all over it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, it will.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I know, but it will be fun.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Someday he`ll be like as tall as me when it`s born.
BEHAR: The baby will be as tall as you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: When it`s born.
BEHAR: Why because her husband`s tall.
KIM KARDASHIAN: He`s like -- she`s 5`10 and he`s what?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I`m 5`9, and he`s 6`9.
BEHAR: You could have a girl. A 6`10" girl; that would be interesting.
KIM KARDASHIAN: That would not be attractive.
BEHAR: Your show "Keeping up With the Kardashians" set a ratings record for E! -- this is impressive -- with 4.2 million viewers. Take a look at the trip to Santa Barbara that you guys did.
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KHLOE KARDASHIAN: We don`t know what to do. We came here to be together.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Kourtney.
UF3: Ok, obviously we can`t do vacations like this anymore and it sucks.
KIM KARDASHIAN: It is different.
UF3: What?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It is different. Our lives are different.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: You`re having a baby and I`m marrying -- like our lives aren`t the same.
UF3: I don`t want to do this anymore when it`s not fun.
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BEHAR: Sisterly love. It`s a beautiful thing.
KIM KARDASHIAN: It is.
BEHAR: So many people -- young women that I`ve talked to identify with you guys. Why do you think that`s so?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I think because we`re a little bit crazy, we`re a little bit everything. I think people like love the glitz and the glam that they see but then we`re totally normal and we fight like normal families do. And there`s always someone that says I wish I had sisters like you guys. I wish I was a part of your family. They can relate to someone in the family.
BEHAR: I think people crave family in this country. People move away from each other and there you are all in the same place and I think people do like that.
Khloe, why do you think? Is this the same reason you think people just identify with you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I think -- and the three of us, I think -- someone can connect to one of us or all of us or they wish they could have someone like one of us. We`re just so -- I think when we let the cameras in, we let the cameras in 100 percent and we give everybody a real taste of us and I think people respect that and they admire that. And that`s what they want.
I think you`re right, people crave family and that love.
B: They do. You are in the spotlight a lot. For example, you in particular went from a size 6 to a 2. How did you do that, by the way?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Quick trim. You definitely -- there`s definitely diet supplements I take but --
BEHAR: Oh, really? Where`s your amphetamine?
KIM KARDASHIAN: No, these are all natural. The supplement called Quick Trim and --
BEHAR: Cocaine is natural, Kim. I`m just saying. So is marijuana.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Khloe might just steal that line. That`s a good one. But you know, I definitely -- I love working out.
BEHAR: You do? You sincerely mean that? Look at me now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: No, I swear. I`m addicted.
BEHAR: You`re addicted to it. How many hours a day?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I`m addicted to working out. I mean, one hour a day. But there`s, you know --
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: She`s crazy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I really am.
BEHAR: Khloe says you`re crazy. Did you hear?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I love it.
BEHAR: Why do you say she`s crazy, don`t you work out, Khloe?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I work out, but I don`t ever really want to work out. I do it because I look in the mirror and I`m like, you`re disgusting, you have to get better. So I only work out because I`m force to because I want to look like Kim. Like her body --
KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, stop.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I think you`re totally lying when you say you like to work out. You`re sick in your brain.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I swear I like it. I feel like a disgusting pig if I don`t work out.
BEHAR: You do.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I do.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, we are disgusting pigs if we don`t work out.
BEHAR: Do you also love broccoli, tofu and all that crap?
KIM KARDASHIAN: When I go to like this one fancy restaurant, I only order broccoli and everyone thinks I`m really weird.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You are really weird.
BEHAR: Khloe, she`s annoying right? She`s annoying with all this.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: She`s so annoying -- I hate people like that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: The (INAUDIBLE) in New Orleans, all this time all they do when I`m there which has been pretty much all season is eat Benny`s and lay in bed. So it`s a new life.
BEHAR: Who`s Benny?
KIM KARDASHIAN: You don`t know what Benny`s are?
BEHAR: No.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Are you joking?
BEHAR: No, I don`t. I don`t think -- it`s a French bread? Is it a bread?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It`s a doughnut. It`s a fried doughnut with powdered sugar.
BEHAR: And you eat that?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Almost every day.
BEHAR: And then you work out for an hour.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Don`t you hate her more.
BEHAR: What did you say? I didn`t hear you. Say it again.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said, that makes you want to hate her more, that she has a body like that and eats Benny`s. I eat like air and I`m fatter than life. That`s just ridiculous.
BEHAR: She`s cute.
But you know, you are sort of overshadowed by your booty in the media. I keep hearing about Kim Kardashian`s butt. Are you sick of that yet?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I really don`t get it. It`s not even that big or special. It`s really kind of jiggly. I don`t even understand.
BEHAR: Khloe, is it special?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It`s special and squishy. I like it. It`s fun to play with.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Thanks.
BEHAR: You are honest about your cellulite, which I think is very refreshing.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And that`s probably why the girls like you too. I mean, of you cop to it all the girls out there will like you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You can`t deny it if you`re in a bikini and there`s a picture taken of you. Everyone -- I think every normal person has cellulite.
BEHAR: Really, you think so?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: So those magazines are lying? You`re kidding me. Those are not photo shopped? I`m not done with you too yet. Sit tight. We`ll be right back. I`m sick about this.
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BEHAR: Back with me are Kim Kardashian and her sister Khloe Kardashian Odom. You and Lamar, Khloe, and the rest of the Lakers went to the White House I understand, last month. Someone told me you had a crush on Obama. True?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, I think any man with that much power and in that position, I think any man that comes off incredibly charming and handsome, I think it`s like the state of power. I love it. It`s sexy.
BEHAR: Are you attracted to power too, Kim? A lot of women are.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. Not as much as Khloe maybe.
She got a little excited over Obama.
BEHAR: She did get excited over him.
KIM KARDASHIAN: A little more than normal.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Sorry.
BEHAR: No. He is an attractive man.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. He is.
BEHAR: I used to find Clinton very attractive. He has one of those big heads and I love a big head on a man. I do.
Just to be serious for a second, because I know you have a big Twitter following. And sometimes the fans get out of hand. I heard that you have some kind of a stalker. What`s going on with that? Isn`t that worrisome?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. I mean any time there`s a situation where, you know, you`re Twittering something where you`re at and someone shows up to numerous places and says certain things that you`re uncomfortable with, you definitely just have to take precautions and make sure that you protect yourself. So I definitely won`t say I`m here at the show right now. I`ll say when I leave, I just left the show. You have to be careful.
BEHAR: You`re engaged to a big football player. Just put out a hit on the guy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I think the guys may just put a hit on him.
BEHAR: Send your husband out there to throw him up against the wall and see what happens.
Khloe, you had a little drama of your own, my dear. You were arrested for DUI in 2007.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But you`re over it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I think you just got your license back last week. I think she e-mailed a picture of it to everyone in the family.
BEHAR: So you`re back on the road?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I`m back on the road. I`ve had my license back for a minute, but I got a new license, that`s what I was e-mailing you, Kim.
Yes I had -- I think everyone makes mistakes. Not that I`m grateful for that mistake, but it was definitely eye opening and I think it taught me a lesson. And I`ve never made that same mistake twice which I`m really happy about and I`ve learned from that. I`m happy that I was able to teach other people if I did.
BEHAR: And nobody got hurt. Right?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Nobody got hurt. Yes. No one got hurt, exactly.
KIM KARDASHIAN: That`s the most important thing.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about your perfume, which we were sniffing before you got here. It`s very nice.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Thank you.
It`s exclusive (INAUDIBLE) and it`s called Kim Kardashian and I was actually snowed in. I was supposed to do an in-store appearance the other day and all the flights were canceled so we drove here from Boston. And I missed the appearance but I`m going to be there on Monday.
And it`s been such a dream come true to be able to make my fragrance and I really did -- I picked every single scent from it and I designed the bottle.
BEHAR: Very nice. What is it called?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Kim Kardashian.
BEHAR: Where did you come up with that title?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It took me a really long time.
BEHAR: Khloe has a perfume already. Although she sells it differently I think. But Khloe, what is your next project?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, Kourtney, Kim and I, we have a collection with Beebees that`s out right now in stores (INAUDIBLE) seasons. We also have a jewelry line coming out with Virgin, Saints and Angels; it will be in stores in April.
BEHAR: It`s a clothing line for Virgins did you say? I didn`t get that. How many -- who`s going to buy it, there`s so few left?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Exactly. Well, no one would but it if that`s the case. It`s a jewelry line for Virgins, Saints and Angels.
BEHAR: Ok. Well, thank you, ladies. It was charming to meet you both. Good luck with your show.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Thank you.
Catch Kim and Khloe in "Keeping up with the Kardashians" Sunday nights at 10:00 on E!
We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: What would bring together stars as big as Kanye West, Brian Wilson and Pink, other than maybe rehab? Answer, a brand new version of 1985`s "We Are The World." recorded to aid Haiti`s earthquake recovery take a look.
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MUSIC
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BEHAR: Well, one constant in the old and new versions, music legends Quincy Jones and Lionel Richie are still the men at the helm and they join me now. Hi guys, how are you?
QUINCY JONES, PRODUCER, "WE ARE THE WORLD": How are you, Joy?
LIONEL RICHIE, SINGER/SONGWRITER, "WE ARE THE WORLD": Fantastic.
BEHAR: Okay, great to see you both. Quincy, let me start with you, you`ve been asked to record this song hundreds of times, so why now, why not with Katrina or the tsunami, why this particular tragedy?
JONES: Well you know, I believe it you do it one time right and don`t do it again. But it`s the 25th anniversary and it`s like divinity was involved. It happened to coincide with the catastrophic damage to Haiti. Haiti has had trouble for a long time. 200 years really.
BEHAR: Right.
JONES: This took a - I mean six or seven hurricanes a year, and it`s just -- just unbelievable.
BEHAR: Yes.
JONES: We`re very close. A lot of people down there, that are like the Jonathans down there who have been there for 15 years, we`re very blessed to have Paul Haggis is doing the making of the video, down there.
BEHAR: Lionel, okay thank you, that`s right. I mean it`s a great thing to do, no matter what happens, I guess. But this is a particularly horrible situation for those people. Lionel, how did this all come together?
RICHIE: Well you know, it was quite interesting, you know, it`s a shame. I always start things off by saying when we did it 25 years ago, I made the statement that unfortunately it takes a room full of artists to wake the world up again. I would love to say that everyone is going to jump on board and take care of Haiti and the hunger situation in Africa, take care of the Katrina situation. It`s not the way it works. So this was a call to duty this time around. When you`re dealing with Wyclef, I know so many of my friends are from there. Speaking to them on the phone, you have us, you have me. And so from there, we went back and just made the announcement to the industry.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
RICHIE: Anybody who wants to be involved in this, come one, get on board. And it was unbelievable the outpour of -- we had 45 artists last time. We had 82 to 85 this time around. In fact, at one point, we had no more room in the building.
BEHAR: Yes.
RICHIE: But it was in the same studio and it was just a call to arms. I want to give this to the next generation - the next generation had to be part of this. It was just so important.
BEHAR: Somebody who was really sorely missed was Michael Jackson this time. That must have been strange to do it without Michael.
RICHIE: It was so strange.
JONES: We have him on the record, though.
RICHIE: Yes.
BEHAR: He`s on the record?
JONES: Yes his mother requested that.
BEHAR: Uh-huh.
JONES: We requested it too.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
RICHIE: To have his voice on there, I`m telling you, it was -- it was eerie but so need because his presence had to be there.
BEHAR: Well you did have over 100 celebrities perform and tell me who was there. Give me a few of your top names.
RICHIE: Well, it started with -- I`ll go first. I know Chris is going to tell you his group. We had Celine Dion and Tony Bennett and Wyclef Jean, and then you have across the board, Snoop Dog, on one hand, Lil Wayne on the other side. Of course it`s that picture of Barbra Streisand and Lil Wayne looking at each other, that`s absolutely classic.
BEHAR: Yes uh huh, you know last time, Quincy, you told a lot of the stars at the original event to check their egos at the door. That must have been very, very hard for them to do. Tell me about that, did they do it?
JONES: That was grossly exaggerated.
BEHAR: Oh.
JONES: That statement was in a letter we sent out. When we sent the first demo out. But it wasn`t necessary. These people came with their heart. You`re not sure if these things are going to work. They just wanted to be there for the people that were -- that they tried to help, like this. How can you resist not doing this for Haiti? I`ve never seen such a catastrophic thing.
BEHAR: Did everybody say yes, or did anybody decline?
JONES: Some declined for different reasons, but that`s okay. That`s all right.
BEHAR: Uh because I didn`t -
JONES: When you`ve got 82, it doesn`t matter.
BEHAR: I guess not but we didn`t see Lady GaGa there for instance.
RICHIE: Yes.
BEHAR: I was wondering what happen to Lady Gaga. She`s such a big star right now.
RICHIE: Scheduling was the biggest problem -
BEHAR: Scheduling.
RICHIE: A lot of times. A lot of times what will happen is a lot of people were just in between their own dates. When you`re coming for the Grammys you just hope they have time after. And the biggest problem that we have is that we just couldn`t get everyone to stay, just for scheduling reasons.
BEHAR: Yes, you didn`t really invite many from the original lineup, I don`t think - like --
JONES: None at all.
BEHAR: I heard like hall and oats were available.
JONES: None of the original was involved.
RICHIE: No none of the original were involved.
BEHAR: No none of them.
RICHIE: In fact, I removed myself from it because I wanted to pass the baton on to the next generation. It`s very important that happens.
BEHAR: Uh huh now I heard that Barbara Streisand was there and sang her piece in a special booth. Why was she specially put away like that on the aside?
JONES: Everybody was.
RICHIE: Everybody did that.
BEHAR: Oh everybody did that. Oh it`s interesting because the reports are that she was alone in the booth and it made it sound like a diva. So she was not the only one.
RICHIE: Oh no, no, no, no.
JONES: Most of the soloists were done like that.
BEHAR: Well that was not the video I saw. I haven`t seen the whole thing so the video looks like they were all in one room together.
JONES: Well that`s good. I`m happy about that.
RICHIE: That`s the chorus.
BEHAR: Oh that`s the chorus.
RICHIE: That`s the chorus.
JONES: Paul Haggis and all.
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BEHAR: I see.
RICHIE: That`s the chorus.
JONES: When they sang the ensemble, they were all together.
RICHIE: Right.
BEHAR: I see, I got you, okay. Now, the original thing, which was 25 years ago, raised over $60 million for family relief in Africa. And yet there is still a lot of suffering in Africa. So the money, it`s almost like -- what do they do with the money? This time we`re praying that Haiti will get some long-term effect for the money that`s being poured into it. Is there a plan for it?
JONES: Yes we will have probably the most transparent fund-raiser that you`ve ever seen in your life.
RICHIE: Yes, ever.
JONES: Where they can see where every penny goes. And we`re not going to be in that 30 percent and 40 percent operational overhead. None of that non sense.
RICHIE: Yes.
JONES: This one is going straight to the people and you`ll be able to see online every cent, where every cent goes. So very transparent.
RICHIE: And it`s so important that we take the opportunity, take our time now, because Haiti is an interesting place where you just can`t pour money in. It has to be designated to those particular areas that they need it. So we`re going to take our time and get it exactly right.
BEHAR: Yes, because Haiti has been at the center of a lot of problems for a lot of years.
RICHIE: Exactly, exactly.
BEHAR: Okay thanks, Lionel, thank you, Quincy.
RICHIE: Thank you.
BEHAR: Thank you. The "Millionaire Matchmaker" joins me next, so stick around.
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BEHAR: Here`s a fun thought. Valentine`s Day is only 72 hours away, so if you aren`t hooked up already, chances are you`re spending Sunday alone, desperately alone, achingly alone. I know I`m never going to have anyone love me alone. Really good times. But if you listen to my next guest, that can all change next year and so can your tax bracket. She`s the star of Bravo`s "Millionaire Matchmaker," and she`s here to help, Patti Stanger. Welcome to the show, Patti.
PATTI STANGER, ACTRESS, "MILLIONAIRE MATCHMAKER": Thanks for having me, Joy.
BEHAR: I was enjoying your show last night and I saw all those -- I was thinking to myself, how do you weed out the gold diggers on that show?
STANGER: Well we tell them you`re going to sign a prenup. And you know, I grew up insurance in New Jersey. I`ve been around my money my whole life. I can tell who is Gucci spending Prada it, you know, because they only ask buyer questions, like what kind of car you have. Where do you go on vacation. So all that money.
BEHAR: Yes but so they`re all gold diggers in a way aren`t they? If they are coming to meet a millionaire -
STANGER: Not really. There`s male gold diggers, too. There`s Kevin Federline.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
STANGER: So you got to look at - there is exchange beauty for money and that`s this old at the beginning of time.
BEHAR: Uh huh Kevin Federline is a gold digger, you think?
STANGER: Yes I think so.
BEHAR: How why do you say that?
STANGER: Does he work?
BEHAR: I don`t think so.
STANGER: Right, so he got money from Britney.
BEHAR: That was Britney`s boyfriend right?
STANGER: Yes, husband.
BEHAR: Husband.
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: She married him?
STANGER: And I don`t even think she had a prenup.
BEHAR: Oh stupid.
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: A lot of your millionaires try to test the girls to make sure they`re not gold diggers, right?
STANGER: Correct.
BEHAR: How much does that annoy the millionaires?
STANGER: You mean the -
BEHAR: I mean the girls.
STANGER: Girls.
BEHAR: Like Omar.
STANGER: Like Omar did -
BEHAR: Yes.
STANGER: On the first episode. He was doing the -- he hauls junk for a living, his business is hauling junk. So he wanted the girl to haul junk and I was mad. I even went to the producers and said this would not happen for real. And they allowed him to do it and he lost the girl. You know you have a money chip. There are millionaires who have money chips on their shoulder which is really ugly. Women don`t like that.
BEHAR: So that`s interesting. They`re testing the girls. What do you mean, he hauled garbage? That`s his job?
STANGER: Oh he has a company called Hot Hunks Hauling Junk. It was like -- they were on several different television shows and they created this like in college it became this worldwide phenomena.
BEHAR: Good for him.
STANGER: An entrepreneur.
BEHAR: Did he find somebody else?
STANGER: No, but his -
BEHAR: I`m so attached to him now.
STANGER: Boy friend, his best friend, you know, who he lives with, who he owns the company with, he did.
BEHAR: Uh huh, okay let`s watch a conversation between you and the millionaire.
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STANGER: When I looked at the video, the first thing that popped out at me was that you have ageism. Do you have ageism? Did I hit a nerve?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all.
STANGER: What age was your last girlfriend?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My last girlfriend was almost 25.
STANGER: 25? 47.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A big gap huh.
STANGER: Rupert goes out and picks a 25-year-old. How L.A. cliche can you get?
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BEHAR: So are most of your male clients ageists like that?
STANGER: Not all, but at least 48 percent to 50 percent.
BEHAR: I find it interesting you fixed him up with an Eastern European woman who was 29.
STANGER: Right.
BEHAR: But you said in Eastern European years, that`s 39. Why?
STANGER: That`s correct.
BEHAR: Is it because it`s so hard to live in Russia?
STANGER: Oh, I love that idea but that`s not really why.
BEHAR: Why -
STANGER: They`re so educated, they speak five languages, they know the metric system. They`re very worldly and they`re serious and quiet and they`re not giddy teenagers.
BEHAR: It`s interesting, she basically dumped him.
STANGER: Correct.
BEHAR: And he`s got the money, she probably needs the money. She`s coming from another country.
STANGER: But she wants to fall in love for love. You know, it is one thing to date in the rich pool but you have to fall in love. And if you don`t, you`re stuck at the end of the day with what you pay for.
BEHAR: So what -- is she wants to fall in love, why can`t she go out with a regular guy?
STANGER: She was dating regular guys but they wanted to take her to Starbucks and they wouldn`t even take her to the Olive Garden because of the economy.
BEHAR: So they`re not just - so they`re poor or cheap? I don`t get that --
STANGER: L.A. is not the land of workers. You know --
BEHAR: I know. I know.
STANGER: Nobody really has a job.
BEHAR: Everybody is in showbiz.
STANGER: Exactly.
BEHAR: They cry, parking lot attendants. Why do a lot of these clients all think they deserve the perfect 10? They`re not beauties. I mean that guy last night was no beauty.
STANGER: Yes, he`s not a beauty. Trust me, he used to hit the gym. But what the problem is L.A. men think even if they`re a zero, they can still get a ten or do better.
BEHAR: Because they have money?
STANGER: Because they have money. And you see them on every street corner like you go down Rodeo Drive and you see like the old cantankerous man with the 35 year old hottie pattie who maybe is aging a little and getting nervous.
BEHAR: Right.
STANGER: And you know there`s like 40 years between them.
BEHAR: And he`ll hook her.
STANGER: And she may not even have to sleep with him because at that point Viagra doesn`t work?
BEHAR: It doesn`t?
STANGER: Not when you hit 85.
BEHAR: Oh my God.
STANGER: I think that was the cutoff.
BEHAR: Oh my, I have to tell that to my uncle Joe. The thing I also read is the hardest part of these millionaires is their narcissism, is their power, their control issues, what is the hardest part about them?
STANGER: Narcissism.
BEHAR: Their personality.
STANGER: They have NPD, narcissistic perfectionist disorder. And it`s really hard to curve it because the older they get, the worse the disease becomes.
BEHAR: Okay, do you think, well let`s do this. I noticed last night that you`re very hard on the girls.
STANGER: I know.
BEHAR: Okay, let`s watch this.
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STANGER: Here`s the deal. You`re pretty, you have the face. You need to lose 20 pounds. What`s the frumpy look here? You look so cheap and these are millionaires. Let`s try it again in another mixer when you`re more prepared. Okay?
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BEHAR: You`re sort of like the Simon Cowell of the show, right?
STANGER: I love Simon Cowell. I do, I love him.
BEHAR: Well they can`t do the show without him.
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: They`re going to find out that next year. And I have a feeling they couldn`t do the show without you.
STANGER: Oh, you are so sweet.
BEHAR: Yes.
STANGER: They can`t do the show without you.
BEHAR: Well thank you. But do you ever hold back?
STANGER: No.
BEHAR: You don`t?
STANGER: I can`t. It`s like innate. I grew up in New York and New Jersey. I tell it like it is. I don`t have time. They`re paying me all this money. They need service and they need it like yesterday.
BEHAR: What about the rich women millionaires?
STANGER: We`ve got a lot of those and it`s getting worse because men are losing their jobs on Wall Street left and right. And all the banking industry, you know, everybody is in Venture Capital -
BEHAR: Yes, what`s the new about that.
STANGER: The men are losing their jobs and women are being hired for less money, they`re multitasking and getting promoted faster. So they are making more money than the men right now.
BEHAR: I see, so is that a problem?
STANGER: Well it is a problem for the women, because there`s not enough men for the women. Like in New York, it`s 5-1. So what do you do?
BEHAR: Five women to men?
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s brutal.
STANGER: And you have to go to the suburbs for that.
BEHAR: You can go to Alaska. A lot of men there.
STANGER: And skiing is like the best kept secret. You are so funny but it is so true. Like who wants to freeze in Alaska? I couldn`t do it, not for a guy at least. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is better than that.
BEHAR: Yes, I mean come on. No, no -- so when you have the women who are millionaires, it`s tough because the male ego is also an issue isn`t it?
STANGER: Right.
BEHAR: So a man is not going to go to a woman who has money because it`s too much of an ego deflation?
STANGER: They would go - they get the gold digger type of guy who wants them to pay for everything, like the coreless and the man hasten drum. And then they sit on their ass, I don`t know how many years, they get mad that they don`t make money. And then one day they revolt.
BEHAR: You know we had a conversation on this show just the other day about is it better to settle for a prince or a frog. You know, if the frog doesn`t have money and he`s not perfect but he`s charming or he is fun but he doesn`t have a lot of money, should you go there or hold out for the guy who is perfect? What do you think?
STANGER: I think you need to go in the middle. I saw that episode and I know that woman who wrote the book. And I don`t -- I think it`s depressing the way she wrote it. I think you should get realistic. You know, two steps up, two steps down and like find your best friend.
BEHAR: Is that your best tip?
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Find your best friend.
STANGER: Find your best friend because at the end of the day when all is said and done, our looks fade, all we are going to have is friendship. And, you know, maybe you`ll have a little love.
BEHAR: So find your best friend who doesn`t have a job? No.
STANGER: No, find your best friend who is ambitious. You know, it`s one thing to not make a lot of money but have ambition. One day I`ve got my plan and we`re going to be here and we are going to buy the house. We are going to do this. You can`t have somebody who just sits on the couch and smokes weed all day long.
BEHAR: No, no, that`s out. Well what about a guy who has a job, a regular stiff?
STANGER: I`m engaged to a regular working stiff.
BEHAR: Oh so you`re not interested in a millionaire.
STANGER: No, I like the guy who had my back, that can fix things in the house.
BEHAR: Love that.
STANGER: He does everything like that. He makes my travel arrangements. He has his own business on the side in real estate. He`s not a gazillionaire.
BEHAR: That`s nice. What about the gay dating? I saw that episode, they seem to go off into the sunset.
STANGER: Oh my god, they have sex on the first date. And not even at the first date.
BEHAR: Well what do you mean -- everyone does that now.
STANGER: Well no, women are holding out a little bit now.
BEHAR: They are?
STANGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Wow.
STANGER: I think women are getting nervous.
BEHAR: How long are they holding out, like three dates?
STANGER: Probably three dates.
BEHAR: Three dates, oh wow.
STANGER: I totally agree with you on that one.
BEHAR: Yes, so let`s not really indict the date blame.
STANGER: At least they get dinner you know. But the gay men look at eye lock and they whip it out. You know and there`s the gay women, like you haul, like Ellen DeGeneres always talks about like the Uhaul it.
BEHAR: What does that mean they uhaul it.
STANGER: They move in.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
STANGER: They get intimate -
BEHAR: Oh I see.
STANGER: Romantically without the lot of the sex -
BEHAR: They`re women, yes.
STANGER: Yes, they are women they want to feel emotional, they want to bask together that kind of stuff.
BEHAR: Have you set up any lesbians?
STANGER: We have a bi-curious female this season who doesn`t know whether she is gay or straight. And we have bring a doctor, Doctor Nikki to decipher that.
BEHAR: How is - a women, Nikki, how is she going to decipher that? Is she going to sleep with her?
STANGER: No, Trisha gets a mixture with men and women and she figures out who she is sexually attracted to and she does pick something interesting, you`ll have to watch the episode, it`s really interesting.
BEHAR: Do the gay guys have a different, I noticed the straight millionaires want a younger chick. Do the gay guys also want a younger guy?
STANGER: Of course.
BEHAR: Is it typical to have money they want younger?
STANGER: They want you to take off their shirt and see the pecs and then they`re going to decide if they are going to date you.
BEHAR: I see.
STANGER: Like a tree, how many rings do you have around the tree?
BEHAR: Uh huh, a lot, I have. All right Patti. Stay there I have a special matchmaking request for you, next episode -- next segment.
STANGER: Cool.
BEHAR: We will be right back.
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STANGER: Well you are giving me this frumpy dumpty with this purple dress. And the other one, what the hell is that (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) there is not an ounce of sexually either, either from a (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) from the hot tub. Where do I get juicy goosey. There is nothing going on there. Like why are we getting the dump of the dump. This is the millionaires club.
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BEHAR: I love those bangs. I`m back with the "Millionaire Matchmaker", Patti Stanger and we`re joined by the lovely Michelle Collins, managing editor at bestweeever.tv, a regular around here, who always shows up alone. We`d like for that to change for her.
MICHELLE COLLINS, MANAGING EDITOR AT BESTWEEEVER.TV: How could you, Joy?
BEHAR: Now you know Michelle is a doll, pretty, funny, but very tall s that an issue?
STANGER: It is in New York. It is the land of the Jewish midgets. I`m sorry, it is what it is.
COLLINS: She is right. She is so right.
BEHAR: The William office Morris now, the whole city.
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STANGER: But we were talking at the break. I said could you go to Israel, men are drop-dead gorgeous, six footers --
BEHAR: Israel is the land of the tall Jewish --
STANGER: There is something in the water. We don`t know what it is they don`t bring it out here. You know I guess it is a very Sparta community. She is half Sabra and what I say is --
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COLLINS: She`s going to ask me. Joy, I`m love.
STANGER: Half Sabra will travel. You can give your J-date profile, you can --
COLLINS: I don`t do online dating though.
STANGER: Maybe you need to.
COLLINS: I don`t know because with the height thing, it feels like it is weird.
STANGER: Why?
COLLINS: When people meet me, people say oh you are so tall. My ideal thing is to meet two short Jewish men in New York, stack them up, long trench coat Scooby-doo style and call it a life.
BEHAR: That is a plan.
COLLINS: Double the income, Patti, two millionaires.
BEHAR: As you can see -
STANGER: Polygamy.
BEHAR: She is very funny.
STANGER: She is hysterical.
BEHAR: Now we are both comics, you know, for first year I met my guy, I did not tell him I was a comedian.
COLLINS: Oh really? That`s funny.
STANGER: How did you meet him?
BEHAR: I met him at a nude colony, nudist colony, he was nude, I was dressed. That is the way it goes. But anyways, just for one whole year, he didn`t know, because I felt I would scare him. Will she scare a guy being a comedian?
STANGER: Yes, let me tell you what I do with Andy, he didn`t know I was a matchmaker, even though the matchmaker introduced from the company, I said don`t tell him what I do say I`m not networking business. So you know he kept asking me and I kept saying when I know you better, I feel more comfortable, nothing illegal or unethical, I will tell you that is the mystery that lures guys. So maybe don`t tell him what you do. Don`t invite him to the comedy store or one of the places you are hanging out.
COLLINS: Oh I would never do that.
STANGER: Because that`s like the worst. You can`t be funnier than the guy in the beginning much once you hook him you can.
BEHAR: Once you hook him he loves to laugh and he was fine.
STANGER: Exactly.
BEHAR: And a lot of men like funny women.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: You must not go with a man who doesn`t like a funny woman or who is intimidated by you.
STANGER: I agree.
BEHAR: You will pay a steep price for that.
COLLINS: First two dates I`m a geisha girl, kimono, fan -
BEHAR: There you go.
COLLINS: Quiet as can be.
BEHAR: Perfect. How about a burka. I suggest a burka.
COLLINS: Burka and no mouth flap. I will get the mouth flap on the third day.
BEHAR: No she wants it to mean -
STANGER: I`m going to cry in just a second okay.
BEHAR: If Michelle wanted to meet a rich guy, where should she hang? She likes to go to bars I think - right?
COLLINS: How could you?
STANGER: Steak houses. Steak houses.
COLLINS: Oh I`m a big fan.
STANGER: The Palm. The Palm. The Palm. The Palm.
COLLINS: The steak houses?
STANGER: The steak houses 5:00, quarter to five, when they are setting up, befriend the bartender.
COLLINS: I always do.
STANGER: Make sure you tip well. Fix your Cosmo, have a book on the shelf, that`s kind of current, neutral gender, I brought "Eat, Pray, Love" to Australia, I was with my fiance. He was getting a massage, I was having a cocktail, men were hitting on me left and right to find out what book I was wearing.
COLLINS: Get out of here, I have the Koran with me this time. The whole thing.
STANGER: There you go.
BEHAR: Jewish guy with you if you bring the Koran. Michelle, I hope this helps.
COLLINS: Oh, thank you.
BEHAR: You guys at home can grab a copy of Patti`s "Become Your Own Matchmaker." Patti thanks "\ Millionaire Matchmaker" airs Tuesday at 10 p.m. on Broadway -- on Broadway? No, on Bravo. Good night, everybody.
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