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San Diego Teen`s Murder; Spitzer`s Former Madam Running for Governor; Interview With Queen Latifah
Aired March 03, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the former madam who provided Eliot Spitzer with call girls has just announced she`s going to enter politics and run for governor in New York. How did she get involved with such a tawdry and sleazy business or even prostitution for that matter.
Then Queen Elizabeth may own a country but she can`t sing or dance or act at all; Queen Latifah can. And that`s why she`s on the show today.
And for her new show, "Who Do You Think You Are" producer Lisa Kudrow is tracking people`s family trees finding relatives they never even knew they had. Does she have to ruin everybody`s Thanksgiving?
That and more right now.
We start tonight with a serious story. The body of 17-year-old Chelsea King is believed to have been discovered yesterday in a shallow grave near where she was last seen jogging in San Diego. Today, 30-year- old John Albert Gardner III was charged in connection with the rape and murder of Chelsea. And now authorities are wondering if he could be connected to other cases of missing teens.
Joining me now with the latest is Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor and author of "My Privates are Private" plus Lisa Bloom, CNN legal analyst. Lisa, what is the latest on the story?
LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Police are now investigating a number of other potential victims. We know that back in the year 2000 he was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl. She alleged at the time that he repeatedly punched her in the face as well as molested her.
He could have faced a very long prison term if he had been charged with multiple felonies for that. Instead he received a plea bargain of six years behind bars, he served five years for that, three years probation. And the bottom line is now he was not on probation. He was a registered sex offender but he was no longer on probation.
BEHAR: It`s really outrageous, isn`t it?
Stacey, is it unusual for the killer to leave the body so close to where he attacked her? Because that`s what happened in this case?
STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: No, I don`t think it`s unusual at all. And certainly we see how different people react to different situations and certainly you can never profile a sex offender or in this case a murderer.
And I think the difficult thing for people to swallow is why did he get such a lenient sentence the first time around? Maybe if he had been behind bars all this time this would have never happened.
But Lisa knows in this system it`s very difficult, especially in sex abuse cases, lots of times you run into situation where parents don`t want children to come into court, don`t want them to testify. I don`t know the situation in this case, but lots of times that`s why a case is pled out and a sex offender, violent, dangerous on like this one gets a very lenient sentence.
BEHAR: Well, we see this over and over again, convicted sex offender going on to kill others. How does this happen all the time? It`s really - - it`s terrible.
BLOOM: Well, we need to have long prison sentences for child molesters. You know, generally I say that we imprison too many people for too long in this country, but this is the one exception.
There is no cure for sexually abusing a child. It`s recidivist behavior, it`s compulsive behavior; it happens over and over again. And the only way to protect children until there is a cure is to lock up people for very long sentences.
And when someone has punched a child in the face over and over and molested her that should warrant a sentence longer than five years. I think most of us can agree to that. And how this man got such a light sentence is beyond me.
A psychiatrist, by the way, also testified in his first case that he was a danger, he showed no remorse and that he should not get out of prison.
BEHAR: They may have -- go ahead.
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HONOWITZ: You know, the real important message in all of this, Joy -- and Lisa knows this, we`ve been doing this a long time -- is if your child, if someone you know is sexually abused, you cannot be afraid to go into court. Because I`m telling you doing this 22 years, that seems to be the biggest hang up we have. Serious, horrible cases and parents are afraid, rightly so, I understand can that, to have their child go into court.
But you must understand, as Lisa said, the behavior does not change. If you don`t get them the first time around, they`re going to do it again.
If you know --
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BLOOM: Yes. And in fact, the behavior escalates and in fact it gets worse and that it ends in a murder as in what apparently happened here.
And by the way, this is very similar to what happened in the Roman Polanski case, right? The victim did not want to testify back in the 1970s there. She was told it`s not going to be in your best interest, it`s going to be scary. And Stacey and I, I think, are united here to say first of all, it`s not that scary for kids to come in and testify in court.
It could be a very cathartic, empowering experience. Get in there and testify because we got to lock these people up.
BEHAR: But don`t you think --
HONOWITZ: The parents are more scared than the children.
BEHAR: But in the Polanski case, wasn`t the girl paid off to not testify?
BLOOM: That was many years later. That was decades later.
But I`ve read the original court file. And her own attorney at the time, and I think probably with her best interest in mind. But frankly, in my view wrong-headedly told her you don`t want to testify. This is just going to be terrible for you. And so she didn`t and the case ended up pleading down to a very minor charge. And that happens in many cases.
BEHAR: Ok. So he could be found guilty. What kind of a sentence would he face if he was found guilty? And would he get the death penalty, possibly?
HONOWITZ: Yes, I`m sure he`s facing a first degree murder charge. And lots of times in cases, if there is a connection, if they`re trying to make a connection between this person and some cold cases, the missing person`s cases, then sometimes prosecutor will try to negotiate as far as the death penalty is concerned. If you have information, if you know some things, if you`re going to confess to some other things, of course, we`ll take the death penalty off the table.
So we`re going to have to see what pans out after the arraignment today.`
BEHAR: I see.
BLOOM: Let me tell you something about the death penalty here in California, Joy. Although it is on the books, you`re more likely in California, if you`re on death row to die of natural causes or suicide than from execution.
We have over 600 people on death row. People like Scott Peterson and we just very rarely administer it. So it`s unlikely he would ever actually get the death penalty.
BEHAR: Lisa, Stacey thanks.
We`ll be back in 60 seconds. Don`t go anywhere.
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BEHAR: Kristin Davis the madam who allegedly supplied call girls to former New York governor Eliot Spitzer has decided she`s going to run for the state`s top office herself. If she wins, it will be the first time in history that saying "Madame Governor" will be correct on all counts. And I`ll bet her announcement knocked Eliot Spitzer`s black socks right off him.
With me now is Kristin Davis herself. Hey Kristin.
Ok, we`re teasing about this because it seems like it`s a step down in your career to be in politics. Do you really think that you can win?
KRISTIN DAVIS, RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR: You know, I`m dedicated to winning and I`m dedicated to reform and making a change. I think I have just as good a chance as Lazio.
BEHAR: Lazio, oh, Rick Lazio. Isn`t he the one who got in trouble with Hillary Clinton that time with sexist kind of behavior toward her and she finished him off. Well, so will you.
You`re saying that legalizing prostitution and marijuana will fix the budget problems. How does that work, tell me?
DAVIS: Legalizing on both counts will bring in about $3 billion in new revenue to the state. And what we need is a plan for new revenues, not increase taxes on New Yorkers because they`re already suffering.
BEHAR: That`s not going to happen so fast. They might legalize marijuana eventually, you know, there`s the medical marijuana.
DAVIS: Right.
BEHAR: But prostitution, we`re still a very puritanical country in so many ways I think. And prostitution is a rough one because -- I don`t know.
DAVIS: We can`t pretend that it no longer exists. We can`t pretend that anymore.
BEHAR: Well, it`s the oldest profession.
DAVIS: Obviously, politics is the second oldest. So in my opinion they`re both doing it for money.
BEHAR: They kind of go together don`t they.
DAVIS: They do.
BEHAR: But you say that you`re the only one not corrupt. What do you mean? Who are you referring to?
DAVIS: I mean look at the string of governors that we`ve had: Spitzer having to resign, Paterson now facing potential criminal charges for wrongdoing, even going back to Shelly Silver.
BEHAR: No good either. But didn`t you help Spitzer on his trip down the Primrose Lane?
DAVIS: I think he was helping himself?
BEHAR: Didn`t you supply the call girls for him?
DAVIS: I did. I did. I supplied call girls for him both as attorney general and governor. So the issue with him is hypocrisy.
BEHAR: Right. The issue with him is hypocrisy. True. But it`s kind of ironic that the person who supplied one corrupt governor with call girls now wants to be a governor. Can you see the irony there?
DAVIS: I can see the irony, but the beauty in me is that I`m honest. Everything that`s been said about me has already come out and what I did was an honest transaction. Money was exchanged for a service; it was economics at its finest. Free market so. It`s completely different.
BEHAR: Who do you think was worse, Paterson or Spitzer?
DAVIS: Spitzer obviously. He has a long string of entitlement issues, illegal campaign, financing, trooper gate, using, you know, state police to spy on Joe Bruno.
BEHAR: Not good. It`s corrupt. But allegedly Paterson was engaged in a kind of a cover-up for a guy who hit a woman. Doesn`t that sound even worse than --
DAVIS: Well, Spitzer was aggressive in his own right. I mean I blacklisted him from my agency for being abusive to women. So it seems that --
BEHAR: How was he abusive?
DAVIS: Same sort of behavior. I mean power trip, he was a steam roller and that`s exactly how he acted behind closed doors. So he was aggressive, tried to have sex without a condom.
BEHAR: Really?
DAVIS: Physically abusive to the women. It came out in "The Daily News"; one of my girls spoke to them and said that he was into choking. So, that sort of behavior.
BEHAR: And you know, Kristin, it`s unbelievable, because now you see him on all these newsy shows acting like nothing happened.
DAVIS: It is unbelievable. And the issue there is that he had federal charges pending. Nothing was pursued. Morgan (INAUDIBLE) could have brought state charges against him. He was accountable to 18 plus million people here in New York and the state didn`t do anything about it. And that`s something we need to address.
BEHAR: Did you vote for him?
DAVIS: No. There shouldn`t be different standards for the political class than there are for the average citizen.
BEHAR: Now, I have to say, before we go, you know that -- I know that you`re a very smart woman. You used to be a hedge funder or something, right?
DAVIS: Sure, I was vice president of a hedge fund.
BEHAR: Ok. But quickly you have to answer the question. People see you and they see the blond air and the tattoos and they say I don`t see governor -- not gubernatorial
DAVIS: I mean obviously the people -- the people that we have in office now are imbeciles. Look at what they`ve done to the state. We have a $7 billion plus budget deficit, the highest income and property taxes in the nation. Obviously the people that are supposed to know what they`re doing, don`t. So let`s pursue something else.
BEHAR: You know what? You might have my vote Kristin.
DAVIS: That`s great.
BEHAR: And thanks very much for coming on the show. I`ll be keeping my eye on this race.
Up next, the multitalented Queen Latifah stops by.
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BEHAR: Oscar nominated actress, Grammy winning recording artist and Covergirl model Queen Latifah has done it all. She`s even been named the national ambassador for school for underprivileged kids in Pennsylvania. She`s also scheduled to be a presenter at this Sunday`s Academy Awards.
It`s a pleasure to welcome you to the show, Queen. How are you?
QUEEN LATIFAH, ACTRESS, SINGER: Hey, Joy, congratulations on your show. I love it.
BEHAR: You do?
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes, I love it. It`s great, really.
BEHAR: That`s good. I want to talk about you and the Oscars. First of all, which award are you presenting?
QUEEN LATIFAH: I`m presenting the governor`s award.
BEHAR: Oh.
QUEEN LATIFAH: It`s not a category like that; it`s more of an honor.
BEHAR: I see. All right. Well, you --
QUEEN LATIFAH: But it will be nice. It will be special.
BEHAR: But you performed in a couple of them and you`re always so great when you get up there and sing and dance and do your thing. You`re not doing that this year?
QUEEN LATIFAH: Oddly enough, I`m not. I`m just going to be part of a very special moment in the show. But other than that, I`m just watching it, having fun like everybody else.
BEHAR: Let me ask you, who do you think is going to win for best picture this year? There are a lot of good ones.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes, it`s a tough category. I mean, you know, from what I understand it`s a challenge between the "Hurt Locker" and "Avatar" and that whole connection between the directors. But it`s a big category. I`m not sure.
Best actress, tough category. Everything is a little tricky this year because we`ve had some really interesting movies from huge budgets to just small budget movies with amazing performances. So it`s going to be "Up in the Air" for me.
BEHAR: It`s so interesting because the producer -- a producer for the "Hurt Locker", he`s been barred from the Oscars this year because he --
QUEEN LATIFAH: I read that.
BEHAR: He put out some e-mail, I guess, saying don`t vote for "Avatar". Don`t you think that`s a little strict, they barred him from the Oscars?
QUEEN LATIFAH: You know, I guess if he knew that that was a rule that you couldn`t do that, then it would be one thing. But if it was just some innocent competitive thing, then yes, that`s is kind of tough. That`s tough to have your movie in the show and not be able to be a part of it because, you know, you`re competing too hard.
BEHAR: Yes, I just think like why can`t he say that? The Oscars are, you know, its protocol is very, very specific, I guess.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. The academy, they try to keep a really tight line, I guess, to really separate themselves from all the other shows and all the other, you know, bodies that honor movies. So they are the Oscars. They are the Oscars.
BEHAR: They`re the Oscars -- they think they`re the Vatican.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Maybe he can sneak in there. Get some Swiss guard out there for him.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about the movie "Precious" for a minute.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Ok.
BEHAR: A couple things about that film. First of all, I thought it was a great movie and I really did -- I can`t say that I enjoyed it because it was not that kind of movie that you enjoy, like "Chicago", it`s not that.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: There`s a ton of Oscar buzz and we`re very happy. Do you think Mo`nique -- first of all, do you think Mo`nique is going to win the supporting actress?
QUEEN LATIFAH: I think she should, I really do think she should. I thought her performance --
BEHAR: You do?
QUEEN LATIFAH: I do. I think here performance was amazing and it was brutal and devastating. And I think she really brought that character to the screen as authentically as it could be played. I really think she did an amazing job with it. I honestly can`t see anybody else getting it.
But you never know with the Oscars. You never know who`s going to actually get it once that envelope is opened. But I hope she does.
BEHAR: That`s true. I hope she does too because she never really tried to make herself likable. You know actresses always have to have some likableness, she really didn`t go for it. It was really authentic. And she was a monster.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Right. And you`re hearing like about this one didn`t want to wear makeup, and this one wore make up. But you know, none of that, to me that`s the sign of a really true great actor when you`re not afraid to be ugly. You`re not afraid to be a villain when you really play that.
If you`re a villain, be the villain. You know, if you`re the good guy, be the good guy. Don`t try to have a little bad guy in your good guy. You know what I mean?
To me she played it so true to what that character demanded and you believed it. That`s what you want when you go to the movies. You don`t want to say hey, I`m watching Queen Latifah. I`m watching Mo`nique. You`re watching that character, that you sold it so well that people are not watching whoever you are in real life. You`re really watching that movie and those characters and they`re caught up in the story.
So I think they did -- Lee Daniels did a great job telling that very difficult story and even telling it with some humor and some light moments. So I think everybody thought "Precious" was down, down, down. But there are actually some pretty funny moments in there.
BEHAR: yes. And you know what`s interesting. It`s about the African-American community and a lot of people criticized that particular point.
But I remember hearing Lee Daniels saying that it was done in London with an all-white cast. I thought that was fascinating because bad people are everywhere, good people and bad people.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes, I don`t really. Exactly. I don`t really see this as a black -- it happens in Harlem, you know, there are black people in the movie. But this story happens across the board. It doesn`t matter what race you are. And this story can be told in many different places by many different people. So I agree with them.
BEHAR: And I hear that you`re turning -- you`re going to be hitting the big 4-0 this year.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s a great year, 40. I`ll tell you when I get there. But I`ve heard.
QUEEN LATIFAH: This is why I love your show, it`s you.
BEHAR: Don`t go anywhere. When we come back, I want to hear all about your involvement with this school for underprivileged kids.
We`ll be right back.
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QUEEN LATIFAH: You`re my girls. High fives all around. High fives.
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BEHAR: That was Queen Latifah with some of the students of the Milton Hershey School in Hershey, Pennsylvania. The school is celebrating its 100th year of helping to educate underprivileged children.
Back with me is Queen Latifah.
You`re the national ambassador for the school`s centennial campaign. How did you get involved with this?
QUEEN LATIFAH: They sort of just gave me a call. They called my agents and talked a bit about what they did and my partner, Shakim (ph) who is my manager, actually saw a story on this school on I believe "Dateline" or "Nightline" rather and was really impressed by it. And he told me about it, which kind of got me excited.
I`m the daughter of a teacher any way. When it comes to kids and education, we get really excited about being part of those things. So they talked to me about it. They invited me up to the school.
And I saw these amazing kids who have come from so many difficult walks of life, very underprivileged, have gone through different things at home, don`t have a stable home life necessarily and they come and they stay on this campus.
This is an amazing campus. It looks like a college. It`s huge. It`s like 150 acres, it`s like 1,800 students but they live in these houses, they don`t live in dormitories. They live in actual homes with a house mother and house father like a married couple who takes care of them, makes sure they eat and do their homework and chores. They really get to have a stable home life as well as an amazing education.
This is a top notched school. They have everything that you need and sports and activities. So these kids have an opportunity to learn and thrive and grow and Milton Hershey School has been doing this, 100 years now. Milton Hershey of Hershey candy bars, which we love, he gave his whole fortune to the Milton Hershey School to make sure that they could have a great education.
And people probably don`t even know this, but every time you buy a Hershey bar or a Hershey product, they donate money to the Milton Hershey School. So they want to just say thank you at this point, because the people have been helping to sustain these kids and educate thousands of children over the past 100 years. So we`re very excited about it.
BEHAR: That`s great. That`s great. Speaking of kids in need, I read somewhere that you were considering adopting a child from Haiti. Is that something that you`re going to do?
QUEEN LATIFAH: You know, I`ve always wanted to adopt a child since I was a child myself. Since I was like a teenager, I just I thought that that would always be something great to do. I am having people kind of take a look at it and see what the possibilities are.
I would love to be a mom. I would love to see if it could happen. So yes, I`m interested in that. I feel like I`ve been very blessed and I have a few things I could teach and I got lots of love. So I might just go ahead and do it.
BEHAR: Yes. I think that would be a great thing for you to do. If you decide to do it, call me. You`ll come on with the kid. That would be fun.
QUEEN LATIFAH: I`m not coming on TV with my baby.
BEHAR: No? Why not?
QUEEN LATIFAH: I don`t want to put him out there like that.
BEHAR: That`s true. All right.
Thanks so much for doing this.
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BEHAR: Go ahead.
QUEEN LATIFAH: If you can, I just want to ask people to go to the hersheylegacy.com and you can find out all about this school and you might know a kid who deserves to go to the school. So check it out and support it.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks so much, Queen Latifah.
QUEEN LATIFAH: Thank you so much Joy.
BEHAR: Sarah Palin was Jay Leno`s guest on "The Tonight Show" last night. She spoke about the media, her family and the tea party movement. Jay also let Palin try her hand at stand-up.
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SARAH PALIN: Great show tonight. Shaun White on the show. What an amazing athlete. I watched him do a double Mctwist 1260 and the only other people to do a double Mctwist 2160 was last week, the White House on health care.
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BEHAR: What a buff. By the way, I would like to announce that I`ll be in Juneau, Alaska next week, making my gubernatorial debut. Turnabout is fair play, you know. Here now to discuss Palin`s comedy debut and other pressing pop culture issues are star and creator of the comedy series, "Dr. Katz Professional Therapist" is comedian Jonathan Katz. "New York" magazine contributing editor, Sarah Bernard and Editor in Chief of Maxim Joe Levy.
Before we get started I wanted to give you full disclosure to Jonathan and I actually have a long history together. I was a patient of his for about six years. Take a look.
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BEHAR: Maybe I`m a lesbian. Ever think of that? I don`t think you`ve ever presented me with that possibility that I might be a lesbian.
JONATHAN KATZ, COMEDIAN: The reason I discounted the theory is your attraction to men, for instance.
BEHAR: I`m not attracted to you.
KATZ: You never miss the opportunity to point that out, do you?
BEHAR: No.
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BEHAR: There is a doctor in the house. Let`s get down to some analysis starting with Sarah Palin. Okay Jonathan, the thing that surprised me, Dr. Katz, I should call you. The thing that surprised me was her confidence. Is she delusional? I`m a stand-up, you`re a standup.
KATZ: It`s so hard.
BEHAR: To do.
KATZ: Yes.
BEHAR: And she was like, I`ve been doing this my whole life.
KATZ: You have to admire her confidence.
BEHAR: I do.
KATZ: But it`s only going to take her so far in comedy.
BEHAR: Well she doesn`t want to be a comedian. But I felt like -- Joe, I felt like it was the same kind of delusion and denial she`s in about being president of the United States. She just goes out there --
JOE LEVY, EDITOR IN CHIEF, MAXIM: Well she`s definitely got the same qualifications for both, which is zero. I think it`s absolutely nothing.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: Yes, no, the jokes were really pro forma and if you stick through the whole thing, it gets tired at the end. But she got one good joke off it was while she was sitting on the couch with Leno before she went on where she said I know these jokes like the front of my hand. That was funny right?
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BEHAR: That was funny.
LEVY: It was front instead of back.
SARAH BERNARD, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: She said she was going to go to Vegas and play Tina Fey. Oh that was actually pretty funny.
BEHAR: Any time you talked about herself, I thought she was better.
BERNARD: Right, I know - I`m sorry -
LEVY: No go ahead.
BERNARD: I feel like the whole thing was almost like an audition. She didn`t seem to decide if she wants to be a TV personality or a politician. And I feel like this was another experiment and is she going to get her own show?
KATZ: I think the terrifying thing is that she wants to be both and that she actually is being both. Seriously, we`ve entered this frightening new world where she is a politician and she means to have some effect on the political process. She may run again. Meanwhile she`s a commentator on FOX news and doing standup on Leno. This is just crazy.
BEHAR: But you know I always thought Sarah`s comedy debut was that scene when they`re killing the turkeys behind her. That is one of the funniest - I mean it is sick. That is the funniest things I`ve ever seen.
We are going to move on to another topic.
KATZ: Okay.
BEHAR: Jessica Simpson was on Oprah today and she said she felt betrayed by her ex-boyfriend John Mayer`s comments about their sex life. Listen.
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OPRAH: You`re not angry? Or are you --
JESSICA SIMPSON: I`m not angry. I`m not angry, I`m -- well, I`m a little bit angry.
OPRAH: Okay.
SIMPSON: A little bit angry.
OPRAH: Why are you angry?
SIMPSON: Well, I don`t want people to know how I am in bed, and I guess it could have been a lot worse.
OPRAH: Yes.
SIMPSON: My phone is ringing off the hook.
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BEHAR: I can`t tell if she`s pissed or flattered, that she likes it. Can you?
BERNARD: She took the high road, I think actually. I expected her to say some much nastier things.
BEHAR: Like he`s a jerk.
BERNARD: Right I mean she really was kind of staying elevated but she is promoting her new show in VH1.
BEHAR: Hello.
BERNARD: And you know, investigating beauty-ness. But what I think what`s so sad about this is it really is like a high school situation where some guy tells some intimate detail about you and forever she`s going to be the girl who is sexual napalm, no matter what.
KATZ: I remember in high school when one of the guys told Playboy - about his -- no, that never happened.
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BERNARD: There was a direct line -
BEHAR: But John wouldn`t you like to be known as sexual napalm? I would.
KATZ: Well I think Napalm is such strong word -
BERNARD: It is.
KATZ: That`s a drug that kills people -- I mean, a chemical in, fact that I`m old enough to remember, the Vietnam War.
BEHAR: Yes.
KATZ: I mean I fought in the sexual revolution, but otherwise I have never really put my life on the line.
BERNARD: But the ironic thing is what if the situation were reversed and she had described John Mayer that way? He would have been thanking her.
BEHAR: Exactly.
BERNARD: And thinking that this all sort of said into his mystique. So it`s just -- if you`re a woman, and someone says something outrageous like that, you end up with a sort of negative feeling. But if you`re a guy, it`s a compliment.
BEHAR: Why because it makes you look like you are just horny?
BERNARD: Predatory - yes sort of.
BEHAR: Predatory, like the word cougar?
BERNARD: Right.
BEHAR: Yes.
KATZ: But I think what they both need and forgive me for saying this, is flame retardant pajamas.
BEHAR: Flame retardant -
KATZ: Because apparently she`s too hot to handle.
BEHAR: That is very good.
LEVY: Yes definitely flame retardant and asbestos condoms I think are called.
KATZ: Which ends at the feet.
BEHAR: Okay shall we do another story?
KATZ: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Okay moving on, America`s angriest supermodel Naomi Campbell is apparently at it again. One of Campbell`s drivers told police that she smacked him from behind while he was driving. That is a bad idea.
KATZ: First of all, it`s rude.
BEHAR: It`s very rude.
KATZ: and at the risk of being presumptuous, could we role play? Could you be Naomi?
BEHAR: Okay sure. I`m Naomi, so I`m behind you.
KATZ: No, no, we`re in therapy. I have on my Dr. Katz hat.
BEHAR: Oh we are in therapy, I`m Naomi. Okay go ahead.
KATZ: And because I`m the therapist, I need notes. Because therapist - I`m just -- we have to assume this is not your first visit here. But --
BEHAR: I got to take the position with a model. And one with an attitude.
KATZ: First of all, Naomi, what I need to ask you is what kind of insurance do you have?
BEHAR: I don`t have insurance.
KATZ: And then, you know, I think you need to see me at least three times a week.
BEHAR: I don`t want to see you even once a week.
KATZ: And regardless of what happens, I never will give you a lift home.
BEHAR: Honey, I could buy and sell you right now. You piece of nothing. You insignificant speck of dust.
KATZ: Ouch.
LEVY: Is it wrong that I`m as turned on as I am? Is that wrong?
BERNARD: You know what I love about her so much though? She is like the only person who is reminding us what it was like in the early `90s, hay day of the supermodel. All the other supermodels have gotten married, had babies, you know working for charity. Naomi is the only one left.
LEVY: She`s still out there hitting people.
BERNARD: Right.
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LEVY: It`s like a very special episode of Project Runway.
BERNARD: Right she is old school.
BEHAR: She`s a serial abuser, I mean - the list goes on --
LEVY: She is -- she`s given a whole new meaning to domestic violence.
BEHAR: She assaulted two police officers in London. I mean that`s ballsy.
BERNARD: But the last time that she actually did a --
LEVY: they don`t carry guns in London. So you`re giving her more credit.
BEHAR: Yes go ahead Sarah.
BERNARD: The last time she did her community service, you remember how it ended with a W magazine photo shoot. Because they actually went to her last day and then turned the entire thing into this gorgeous fashion spread. So she`s going to turn this to her advantage, I think.
BEHAR: I think so too but you know she did do anger management classes. It`s really worked out well, don`t you think?
KATZ: I think management is the key issue, because not anger management but she has good management.
BEHAR: You think so?
KATZ: Yes.
BEHAR: Because why? They keep her out of jail?
KATZ: Unlike that whale, she really is a big fish in a big pond.
BEHAR: Well, the whale -- you want to talk about the whale for a second?
KATZ: I can`t leave the whale alone.
BEHAR: The whale is going to be taken, I think, to like a safe harbor like they did Shamu. Another whale or something, some other whale. You know, they only call it a killer whale because it`s predatory in the wild. Why don`t they just leave them in the wild?
KATZ: Yes, I agree with you.
BEHAR: It`s just so wrong of them to hurt those whales.
KATZ: You can see smaller animals.
BEHAR: Isn`t it interesting how a lot of people feel more sorry for the whale than the poor girl?
BERNARD: Than the woman, yes, that`s weird. I feel sorry for her.
BEHAR: Because people don`t like those whales in that confined area. But I enjoyed you three in this confined area. So thank you so much for doing this. And Jonathan Katz`s new CD is called "Caffeinated." which he is not.
Up next, she was one of our favorite friends. The very funny Lisa Kudrow joins me.
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LISA KUDROW, EXEC. PRODUCER, "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE": I feel like I want some details about what they went through. Not just for myself, but my father. For the whole family. I know these pictures. My grandmother, Gert, she came in 1921 for a better life. And it`s her family`s history that my father and I want to look into further.
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BEHAR: That`s Lisa Kudrow, who you probably remember as the ditsy Phoebe in the classic sitcom "Friends." her new documentary series "Who Do You Think You Are" takes some of today`s famous faces on a journey through their own family histories with very surprising results. Welcome to the show, Lisa.
KUDROW: Thank you.
BEHAR: Who knew celebrities had such interesting backgrounds. You have Brooke Shields is from royal French royalty?
KUDROW: That`s right.
BEHAR: How did you find that out?
KUDROW: Genealogy. They looked through the records, and then on her family tree, there`s someone called Madame Royale. Christine Marie -
BEHAR: Really.
KUDROW: And they look her up and she was born in the Louvre.
BEHAR: No kidding.
KUDROW: Yes.
BEHAR: On her mother`s side maybe, she was French? She`s French maybe?
KUDROW: No, Brooke, this is her father`s side.
BEHAR: Oh her fathers` side.
KUDROW: Who she knew were - she had heard that it was Italian aristocracy on that side.
BEHAR: I see.
KUDROW: So she goes to explore that. They discover that the patriarch of that family was French.
BEHAR: Wow.
KUDROW: And here`s why it`s amazing because Brooke says, okay, I`ve - I`ve studied French literature and French and I`m drawn to all things French. So that`s like -- there`s another part of my brain that`s very French.
BEHAR: I like things French, too, and I only have royal pains in the ass in my background.
KUDROW: The truth is - bad because I`m ignoring that. But you know the truth is, I think everybody has an interesting story. Every family is interesting.
BEHAR: Yes, oh I know. I found out that my grandfather, through you this is my grandfather Phillip, came over here from you know on a boat from Italy, et cetera. And when he was 62, he had to register to go to the army again.
KUDROW: Uh-huh.
BEHAR: That must have been a whole tumult around that when he was in that situation.
KUDROW: Right.
BEHAR: So I didn`t know that. There`s a lot of things you glean through and you couldn`t make up stuff. This must have happened, this must have happened.
KUDROW: Right then you can also then start looking into the history of like where they were and what was happening which influenced -
BEHAR: Right.
KUDROW: What was happening to them. And then you get like more context than just names and dates.
BEHAR: That`s right. When you researched your own family, and we showed a little bit of that, I was taken with it this morning on "The View" when you showed and we talked about the background of the holocaust. Tell me a little bit more about what you found out.
KUDROW: Well, I found out -- there was a family story from a relative who had survived. And made his way to Brooklyn just for a visit to tell my father, his mother and the extended family that he had witnessed their family being rounded up by the Nazis and shot.
BEHAR: This is an eyewitness?
KUDROW: My father`s memory of it because my father was 14. He remembered this guy was an eyewitness. Wasn`t sure how they were related. He was wearing a polish uniform and remembers thinking he was trying to pass as not Jewish, which was very dangerous.
BEHAR: I see.
KUDROW: Because in Poland they were still killing Jews after even world war II. And they begged him to stay and he didn`t. He got back on his ship and they never heard from him again. And heard that he died.
BEHAR: Right.
KUDROW: They were certain that he died. So I went to Belarus and Ilea the village where the family is from, just to get details. And found out that, yes, my great grandmother, they were killed but it was --
BEHAR: They were killed -- the great grandmother. Who else in the family? Probably --
KUDROW: Well, it`s not in the show, but I think two of her kids, that you know were my grandmother`s half brothers and sisters, and then found out also that this relative was my father`s first cousin.
BEHAR: Oh, I see.
KUDROW: You know but the details are what -- are really extraordinary just because, you know, intellectually you understand the horrors of the holocaust and you understand those death squads.
BEHAR: Yes.
KUDROW: That came around to all the villages that, you know, parts of Eastern Europe are just one unmarked mass graveyard after another, you know? But when you go there and you see it and you hear and see in documents there`s her name, Mary Mortahovich, she was a housewife, she was shot and burned.
BEHAR: She must have been a young woman, too.
KUDROW: I don`t think so.
BEHAR: No?
KUDROW: No. It`s hard to tell because birthdays and stuff.
BEHAR: So when you found that out, that felt terrible, I`m sure, when you saw that and were there.
KUDROW: It felt terrible. And then when I go to the village and I get you know a testimonial that Yvad Vachem was collected from survivor.
BEHAR: Yes. Uh huh.
KUDROW: And I get every detail of how they were collected, marched to the spot, told to undress, men, women and children and then two or three at a time was shot. Shot.
BEHAR: To know that it was a blood relative, to know that you probably looked like her, that`s the hard thing about that. As I was saying to you during the break, whenever I go to Europe, I like to go to world war II things. I`ve been to dark alley and you just say to yourself, how do these people live around the concentration camp and not know what was going on? It`s just unbelievable to me.
KUDROW: Right.
BEHAR: So now you`re going back. Stay where you are, we`ll be back with some more in a minute.
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COURTNEY COX: This is not a serious relationship for you. You need to move on.
KUDROW: I said --
COX: I heard you. I just haven`t decided yet.
KUDROW: Well you have my number. Why don`t you call me when you know.
COX: Okay. I`ve decided. Back off.
KUDROW: Well done.
COX: Thank you.
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BEHAR: That was my guest, Lisa Kudrow, on "Cougar Town" with former "Friends" co star Courtney Cox. That must have been fun to just sort of re-uniting (ph) with Courtney, right?
KUDROW: It was really fun.
BEHAR: Do you like to - do you like that?
KUDROW: Oh, yes. It`s like we didn`t miss a beat, you know. And even though we are playing different characters. It was the most comforting thing in the world to look at her and be funny.
BEHAR: Did you guys all get along on "Friends". Really?
KUDROW: Yes.
BEHAR: You did?
KUDROW: We really, really did.
BEHAR: I mean you never had an argument?
KUDROW: Well if we had an argument, it got resolved in a the most healthy - and I mean I think for some us, it was the most healthy relationship that we`ve had, you know.
BEHAR: Had you all been to therapy?
KUDROW: I think most of us had.
BEHAR: Although someone once told me that it`s not a good idea to be in therapy in you work in television.
KUDROW: Why?
BEHAR: You`re better off not being in touch with yourself.
KUDROW: I don`t agree.
BEHAR: You don`t?
KUDROW: I don`t agree.
BEHAR: I don`t either. Are you have any plans to work with the others? Any of the other ones?
KUDROW: No, not right now.
BEHAR: No reunion show coming up or anything?
KUDROW: No.
BEHAR: No you`re not going to do that huh?
KUDROW: How would that happen anyway? I think Jennifer -- I think is booked for the next ten years probably.
BEHAR: Oh Ms. Aniston is always busy. And the tabloids keep her topping.
KUDROW: Oh, yes.
BEHAR: I have some twitter questions for you.
KUDROW: Already?
BEHAR: Yes.
KUDROW: Oh right it`s fast.
BEHAR: Yes, we are -
KUDROW: Very fast, Twitter everything.
BEHAR: I read -- this person said, I read that you used to date Conan O`brien. Have you heard from him lately?
KUDROW: Oh, yes. We`re good friends.
BEHAR: Oh yes, how does he feel? What does he say?
KUDROW: He`s okay.
BEHAR: I mean he`s a multimillionaire and he can sit on his butt if he wants.
KUDROW: But he`s not the butt sitting guy, no he`s busy with the next thing.
BEHAR: I like him.
KUDROW: Which he`ll probably announce any second.
BEHAR: He`s a sweet guy.
KUDROW: He`s great, super smart, really funny --
BEHAR: No bitterness for the Leno debacle?
KUDROW: No.
BEHAR: No?
KUDROW: No he`s good that way. I can`t believe how like quickly he moves through something.
BEHAR: Someone told me, this is another question, that you have a degree in biology. Did you always want to be a doctor or something because you`re very smart girl?
KUDROW: Well, I`m not that smart but I did want to be a doctor. I did want to be a doctor and then I realized that I didn`t want to be a doctor but I did want to do research in an area of biology.
BEHAR: Oh.
KUDROW: Yes. And so not until after I graduated from college did I decide to pursue acting.
BEHAR: The comeback, which they say - which I saw that show was it HBO?
KUDROW: It was on HBO.
BEHAR: That was a funny show.
KUDROW: Thank you.
BEHAR: But this person said, do you feel like the network didn`t give it a chance?
KUDROW: Oh absolutely - I feel that way.
BEHAR: They didn`t keep it on long enough.
KUDROW: Yes. I agree. I loved that show. Are you kidding me? I loved that show -
BEHAR: That was a funny show - a very, very, sort of like off the beaten path.
KUDROW: Yes.
BEHAR: And then another one here, how difficult, this person is very concerned, is it to shake a character that you develop so well your character from "Friends" she`s talking about?
KUDROW: Yes, I know. Well, I guess I`m still kind of like an idiot. So that is tricky.
BEHAR: What do you mean by that? You haven`t de rolled.
KUDROW: No, I`m still Phoebe. I`m still walking around --
BEHAR: Yes so you need to get in a chair, and psycho drama would put new a chair and you would say I`m Albert Einstein. And then you`d perfect - and then you would respond again --
KUDROW: Right. And then I would - what?
BEHAR: Perfect Albert Einstein.
KUDROW: Perfect.
BEHAR: Thank you so much, Lisa.
KUDROW: Thank you.
BEHAR: It`s lovely to have you here. You`re very funny and talented. Don`t forget to watch "What Do You Think You Are." starting this Friday at 8:00 p.m. on NBC, good night, everybody.
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